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[00:00:03]

AND I WILL CALL OUR COUNCIL MEETING FOR MONDAY, DECEMBER 8TH, 2025 TO ORDER AND I WILL ASK COUNCILLOR COCHRANE TO READ THE OPENING

[1. Councillor Cochrane will read the Opening Statement.]

STATEMENT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE ACKNOWLEDGES THAT WE ARE LOCATED IN CHIEF DRYGEESE TERRITORY.

FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL, IT HAS BEEN THE TRADITIONAL LAND OF THE YELLOWKNIVES DENE FIRST NATION.

WE RESPECT THE HISTORIES, LANGUAGES AND CULTURES OF ALL OTHER INDIGENOUS PEOPLES, INCLUDING THE NORTH SLAVE MÉTIS AND ALL FIRST NATIONS, MÉTIS AND INUIT WHOSE PRESENCE CONTINUES TO ENRICH OUR VIBRANT COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT, WE HAVE AWARD CEREMONIES AND PRESENTATIONS.

THERE WERE NO AWARD CEREMONIES OR PRESENTATIONS FOR THE AGENDA.

[Items 3 & 4]

THEN WE HAVE ADOPTION OF MINUTES FROM PREVIOUS MEETINGS. COUNCILLOR COCHRANE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I MOVE THAT THE MINUTES OF COUNCIL FOR THE REGULAR MEETING OF MONDAY, NOVEMBER 24TH, 2025 BE PRESENTED FOR ADOPTION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IS THERE A SECONDER? COUNCILOR ARDEN-SMITH. ANY ERRORS OR OMISSIONS? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? THAT'S UNANIMOUS.

NEXT, WE HAVE DISCLOSURE OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN THE GENERAL NATURE THEREOF. DOES ANY MEMBER HAVE A CONFLICT THIS EVENING? SEEING NONE, NEXT WE HAVE CORRESPONDENCE AND PETITIONS. THERE WAS NO CORRESPONDENCE, NOR WERE THERE ANY PETITIONS FOR THE AGENDA.

STATUTORY PUBLIC HEARINGS. THERE WAS NO STATUTORY PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR THE AGENDA.

DELEGATIONS PERTAINING TO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.

THERE WERE NONE. MEMBER STATEMENTS, THERE WERE NONE FOR THE AGENDA.

ANY FROM THE FLOOR? SEEING NONE, INTRODUCTION AND CONSIDERATION OF COMMITTEE REPORTS.

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COUNCILLOR COCHRANE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I SO MOVE THE GOVERNANCE PRIORITIES COMMITTEE REPORT FOR NOVEMBER 24TH, 2025 BE MOVED. IS THERE A SECONDER? COUNCILOR FEQUET.

ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

AND THAT IS UNANIMOUS. COUNCILLOR COCHRANE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR. I SO MOVE THAT COUNCIL DIRECT THAT MAYOR AND CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH NORTH SLAVE MÉTIS ALLIANCE AND SMA REGARDING THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A COPPER RECYCLING AND DIVERSION PROGRAM.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CAN I GET A SECONDER? COUNCILOR ARDEN-SMITH.

ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

AND THAT IS UNANIMOUS. AND ACTUALLY THE NEXT.

OH, NOT THE NEXT ITEM. THE NEXT ITEM AFTER THAT. COUNCILLOR PAYNE. ACTUALLY YOU WILL HAVE A CONFLICT. SO YEAH, WE'LL DO THAT WHEN YOU GET THERE. NEXT ONE IS COUNCILLOR COCHRANE BACK TO YOU. THANK YOU, MISTER CHAIR. I SO MOVE THAT COUNCIL DIRECT ADMINISTRATION TO PREPARE A RECOMMENDATION FOR COUNCIL ON OPTIONS TO DIVEST OF THE WILDCAT CAFE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CAN I GET A SECONDER? COUNCILOR PAYNE AND COUNCILLOR FEQUET, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE MOTION TO AMEND.

GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. YES. SIMILAR TO THE EMAIL THAT I CIRCULATED EARLIER TO MY COLLEAGUES.

I JUST WANTED TO SUGGEST THAT. INSTEAD, THE MOTION READ THAT COUNCIL DIRECT ADMINISTRATION TO PREPARE OPTIONS AND A RECOMMENDATION ON THE FUTURE OF THE WILDCAT CAFE THAT BALANCES THE RELATIVE FINANCIAL RISKS TO THE COMMUNITY WITH THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OF THE WILDCAT CAFE TO YELLOWKNIFE'S HERITAGE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR AMENDMENT. IS THERE A SECONDER? COUNCILOR FOOTE OUT OF THE GATE. COUNCILOR FEQUET, GO AHEAD.

YOU CAN SPEAK TO YOUR MOTION. THANKS, MR. CHAIR.

YEAH, I JUST I JUST WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THAT I THINK IN GENERAL COUNCIL WAS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF LOOKING AT ALL OF OUR DIFFERENT ASSETS AND FIGURING OUT WAYS TO USE THEM BETTER, WHETHER THAT'S THROUGH US OR THE PRIVATE BUSINESS SECTOR OR OTHER MEANS.

AND I RECOGNIZE THAT THE WILDCAT CAFE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THE MINE TRAINING BUILDING.

AND SO I WANTED TO JUST OFFER THIS MOTION TO KIND OF REFLECT THAT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A BROAD LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR ASSET, DIVESTING IN THE END MAY ABSOLUTELY BE THE BEST PATH FORWARD.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO BE TAKE A LITTLE EXTRA CAUTION AND MAKE SURE WE'RE CONSIDERING ALL OF OUR OPTIONS, BECAUSE BOTH THE ASSET AND THE LAND IS VERY IMPORTANT.

PRIME LOCATION. SO I YEAH, THIS IS JUST TO BE A BIT BROADER AND LOOK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR THE MOTION. SEEING NONE.

YEAH. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. I THINK IT CAPTURES WHAT WE WERE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT AT BUDGET LAST WEEK AND GETS A FULL SCOPE OF THINGS, SO THANKS FOR DOING THAT. SO WITH THAT, SEEING NO OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AND THE AMENDMENT PASSES. SO TO THE ORIGINAL AMENDED MOTION NOW NOT THE ORIGINAL TO THE AMENDED MOTION.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THAT? OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

AND THAT'S UNANIMOUS. SO THE NEXT ONE, COUNCILLOR PAYNE, YOU'RE ALREADY OUT THE DOOR BEFORE I COULD EVEN ASK YOU [LAUGHS].

HE'S JUST LEAVING.

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TO THE NEXT ITEM, COUNCILLOR COCHRANE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I SO MOVE THAT COUNCIL DIRECT ADMINISTRATION TO PREPARE A RECOMMENDATION FOR COUNCIL ON OPTIONS TO DIVEST THE MINE TRAINING BUILDING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OR SORRY, SECONDER? COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.

ANY QUESTIONS COMMENTS MOTIONS ON THIS ONE. SEEING NONE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. AND THAT IS UNANIMOUS. COUNCILLOR PAYNE, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME YOU'RE WELCOME BACK NOW.

AND NEXT ITEM, BACK TO COUNCILLOR COCHRANE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I SO MOVE THAT THE 2026 DRAFT BUDGET, WITH REVENUES OF $113,601,083, DEBENTURE INTEREST PAYMENTS OF $458,000 DEBT, PRINCIPAL REPAYMENTS OF $2,442,000 EXPENDITURES OF $147,432,260, INCLUDING CAPITAL INVESTMENTS OF $49,150,000, AND AMORTIZATION AND ASSET RETIREMENT OBLIGATIONS OF $18,431,000 BE APPROVED, AND THAT COUNCIL ADOPT THE 2027-2028 BUDGET IN PRINCIPLE.

I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SAY THE NEXT AUCTION I THINK YOU MIGHT BE IN.

IS THERE A SECONDER FOR THIS ITEM? COUNCILLOR FEQUET. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? NO. SEEING. NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

AND THAT IS UNANIMOUS. NEXT WE HAVE NEW BUSINESS.

[Items 19 - 27]

THE CITY MANAGER GIVES A ROUND OF APPLAUSE. NEXT WE HAVE.

I APPRECIATE THE POSITIVE. NEXT WE HAVE NEW BUSINESS, A MEMORANDUM REGARDING CONSIDERATION OF AN EXPLORATORY COMMITTEE REGARDING THE 2035 CANADA WINTER GAMES. COUNCILLOR COCHRANE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I MOVE THAT COUNCIL DIRECTS ADMINISTRATION TO DEVELOP THE TERMS OF REFERENCE FOR COUNCIL CONSIDERATION TO ESTABLISH A 2035 CANADA WINTER GAMES EXPLORATORY COMMITTEE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SECONDER. COUNCIL. MCGURK.

ANY QUESTIONS COMMENTS. MOTIONS. SEEING NONE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. AND THAT IS UNANIMOUS. NEXT WE HAVE A MEMORANDUM REGARDING WHETHER TO AMEND FEES AND CHARGES.

BYLAW NUMBER 4436, AS AMENDED, TO REFLECT CHANGES APPROVED IN BUDGET 2026.

WE HAVE THE ENACTMENT OF BYLAWS, A BYLAW TO AMEND.

I'M JUST GOING TO SAY, AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE AGENDA, BECAUSE NO ONE NEEDS TO HEAR ME TALK THAT LONG.

BUT FOR THOSE WHO ARE INTERESTED, THIS IS THE FEES AND CHARGES, BYLAW AND FEES AND CHARGES THAT ARE MOVING AS A RESULT OF BUDGET 2026.

OR TO PROPOSE TO MOVE RATHER. SO OVER TO YOU COUNCILLOR COCHRANE FOR FIRST READING.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I SO MOVE THE FIRST READING OF BYLAW NUMBER 5118.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THERE A SECONDER? COUNCILOR FOOTE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

AND THAT IS, YOU KNOW, ALMOST EVERYBODY EXCEPT FOR COUNCILOR ARDEN-SMITH.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED. COUNCILOR ARDEN-SMITH. AND NEXT WE HAVE COUNCILLOR COCHRANE BACK TO YOU FOR SECOND READING.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I SO MOVE THE SECOND READING OF BYLAW NUMBER 5118.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THERE A SECONDER? COUNCILOR FEQUET.

ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR MOTIONS? COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO QUESTION FIRST JUST LOOKING TO CLARIFY WHEN THE REVIEW OF ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION FEE WOULD APPLY. SO IN THE CASE THAT SOMEONE WAS TRYING TO DO SOME NEW INNOVATIVE BUILDING TECHNIQUE AND THAT WASN'T YET IN THE NATIONAL BUILDING CODE, AND CAME FORWARD WITH STAMP DRAWINGS FROM AN ENGINEER AND AN ARCHITECT AND PRESENTED THOSE TO THE CITY.

WOULD THAT WOULD THIS FEE APPLY IN THAT CASE, OR WOULD IT ONLY APPLY IF THOSE DRAWINGS WERE NOT STAMPED.

MR. VAN DINE. I'LL DIRECT THE QUESTION TO DIRECTOR WHITE, PLEASE.

SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE FIRST PART OF IT, NO, BECAUSE IF IT'S NOT PERMITTED IN THE NATIONAL BUILDING CODE, THERE'S A WHOLE OTHER PROCESS THAT WOULD NEED TO GO GO THROUGH.

TO THE SECOND QUESTION, THERE ARE CERTAIN SECTIONS IN THE NATIONAL BUILDING CODE WHICH ALLOW FOR ALTERNATIVE SOLUTIONS TO BE PROPOSED, WHERE THOSE COME FORWARD, WHERE MAYBE THEY'RE NOT DONE BY AN ENGINEER OR THERE IS IT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR AREA OF EXPERTISE.

I'M GOING TO SAY THAT'S LESS THAN 2% OF REQUESTS THAT WE GET.

AND THIS YEAR WE'VE ONLY HAD TWO. AND THAT'S PROBABLY THE FIRST I'VE SEEN IN THREE YEARS.

SO IT'S VERY RARE THAT SOMEONE COMES FORWARD WITH A WITH A REQUEST FOR AN ALTERNATIVE.

AND IT'S WHERE WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND SEEK THIRD PARTY TO REVIEW THOSE DRAWINGS FOR US.

THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN. THANK YOU. AND IS IT KNOWN WHAT THE FINANCIAL IMPLICATION OF OF

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THOSE OUTSOURCING IS? MR.. VAN DINE SO I BELIEVE DIRECTOR WHITE REPORTED EARLIER TODAY THAT THE COST THAT WE'VE LEVIED THERE REFLECTS THE COST THAT WE'VE INCURRED IN TERMS OF CONTRACTING THE SERVICE OUT.

AND SO THE FINANCIAL IMPLICATION IS, IS WHEN WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO SO, WE WOULD LOOK TO RECOVER THAT COST THROUGH THIS MEANS COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.

UNDERSTOOD. AND I SENT AROUND A POTENTIAL MOTION EARLIER.

IS IT POSSIBLE TO KNOW WHAT THE FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS WOULD BE TO THAT MOTION WITHOUT THE REMOVAL OF THE REVIEW OF ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION FEE.

SO JUST THE CHANGES TO SEVERAL FEES. MR. VAN DINE.

SO IF I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION CORRECTLY. SO IF WE WERE TO DROP THAT PARTICULAR COMPONENT WHAT WOULD BE THE THE NET IMPACT? THAT WOULD BE NEGLIGIBLE. COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.

I WILL SEND AROUND THE PROPOSED MOTION. JUST SO I'M BEING SUPER CLEAR AND I'M LOOKING TO UNDERSTAND THE FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS OF NOT INCREASING THESE FEES, AND I'LL SEND IT ALONG. SO I'M BEING VERY CLEAR.

PLEASE SEND IT ALONG TO EVERYBODY RIGHT NOW.

THANK YOU. SO IT WOULD BE WHAT'S THE FINANCIAL IMPLICATION OF CHANGING CHANGING THE FEE INCREASE FOR ADDITIONS TO $75 PLUS $0.60 PER SQUARE FOOT OF GROSS FLOOR AREA FOUNDATIONS? INSTEAD OF RAISING IT TO A $1.50 PER SQUARE FOOT.

JUST LEAVING IT AT $0.50. BUILDING ENVELOPE INSTEAD OF INCREASING $2.50 PER SQUARE FOOT, LEAVING IT AT $1.

AND THEN DEVELOPMENT CHARGES MAINTAINING SINGLE DETACHED DWELLING OR SECONDARY SUITE APPLICATION AT $300 INSTEAD OF RAISING TO 500 DUPLEX, MAINTAINING AT 400 INSTEAD OF RAISING TO 500, AND REMOVING THE ADDITION OF A $150 UNIT FEE FOR THE REQUEST OF A CHANGE OF USE FROM SINGLE DUPLEX TO MULTI-UNIT DEVELOPMENT. MR. VAN DINE.

SO THE I THINK THE EFFECT OF SUCH CHANGES WOULD TO LEAVE THINGS AS THEY ARE, I BELIEVE, IS WHAT YOU'RE WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO DO.

SO THE SO THAT IS CERTAINLY WITHIN COUNCIL'S PREROGATIVE.

THE IMPACT ON BUDGET 2026 WOULD NEED A LITTLE BIT OF CALCULATION.

OH, WE DO HAVE SOME NUMBERS, APPARENTLY. SO I WILL GIVE YOU THE DEFINITIVE NUMBER ON WHAT THAT WOULD BE.

AND THEN YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THE PRINCIPLE. SO MAYBE DIRECTOR WHITE CAN RESPOND WITH THE FINANCIALS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO I TOOK A LOOK AT 2025 PERMITS FOR EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SPEAKING TO TO DATE.

SO TO THE END OF Q3, SO IF WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS YEAR'S NUMBERS, THE TOTAL IMPACT WOULD BE ABOUT $66,000 IN TOTAL REVENUE FOR THE DEPARTMENT. IF YOU CHANGE, IF YOU DON'T CHANGE THE ONES THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN THIS MOTION THE IMPACT MAY BE LESS NEXT YEAR. AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING WE'RE SEEING A TREND TOWARDS LESS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT PERMITS OVERALL.

SO TAKE THAT AND I GUESS DO WITH IT WHAT YOU WILL.

BUT IT IS, IT'S TRENDING DOWNWARDS ON OUR RESIDENTIAL PERMITS.

SO THE TOTAL NUMBER IS $66,323. THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.

OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. AND JUST TO BE SUPER CLEAR THAT THE FEES AS THEY ARE, ARE $50 PLUS A NUMBER PER SQUARE FOOT.

I'M SAYING LEAVE THE PROPOSED INCREASE TO $75, BUT LEAVE THE SQUARE FOOT CHARGE THE SAME.

JUST WANT TO BE SUPER CLEAR. SO, YEAH, UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S A THAT IS A FINANCIAL IMPACT ON THE CITY.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE A MOTION, MOVE AWAY.

SO I'D LIKE TO MOVE THE MOTION I JUST SENT AROUND AND SORT OF SPOKE TO.

SO IT'S LEAVING SOME SQUARE FOOT FEE CHANGES AS THEY ARE, INSTEAD OF INCREASING THEM TO $1.50 SQUARE FOOT.

AND THE CHANGES WOULD BE TO ADDITIONS, FOUNDATIONS AND BUILDING ENVELOPE AND THEN THOSE DEVELOPMENT CHARGES I SPOKE TO EARLIER, JUST KEEPING THE FEE FOR AN APPLICATION FOR RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS SLIGHTLY LOWER.

UNDERSTANDING THIS HAS A FINANCIAL IMPLICATION, HOWEVER IT'S ONE THING I HEAR ABOUT CONSTANTLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOUSING CRISIS AND BUILDING IS THE GOVERNMENT FEES AND INCREASES OF THOSE OVER TIME.

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I KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE RELATIVELY LOW BUILDING FOR GOVERNMENT DEVELOPMENT CHARGES RELATIVE TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, AND THAT THESE ARE MODEST INCREASES. HOWEVER, I THINK ANYTHING WE CAN DO ON ON BOTH SIDES, CARROT STICK, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT VACANT LAND AT SOME POINT AS WELL.

YEAH. TO JUST KEEP HOUSING MOVING ALONG AND ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO BUILD WHERE WE CAN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THERE A SECONDER? COUNCILOR FEQUET, COUNCILMAN MCLENNAN.

ANYTHING FURTHER? NOPE. THEN IS ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILLOR FEQUET. THANK THANKS, MR. CHAIR. JUST A CLARIFICATION TO ADMIN.

I JUST WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT THE PROPOSED INCREASES WERE REALLY JUST TO KIND OF APPLY OUR STANDARD INFLATION TO KIND OF OUR FEES TO KEEP UP.

THERE WASN'T ANOTHER MOTIVATION OR PURPOSE FOR THIS PARTICULAR ONE, JUST TO DOUBLE CHECK.

MR.. VAN DINE. NO, COUNCIL IS AWARE THAT WE ARE BEING ENCOURAGED TO DO COST RECOVERY.

WE ARE LOOKING AT MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE KEEPING THINGS CONTEMPORARY AND UP TO DATE.

AND THOSE WERE IT WASN'T ANY MALICE OR ANY KIND OF THOUGHT TO TRY AND CREATE MORE REVENUE THAN, THAN THAN NECESSARY BASED ON THE SERVICE AND JUST THE OPPORTUNITY TO CLARIFY, THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE DOES NOT HAVE ANY DEVELOPMENT CHARGES.

LIKE SO WHAT WE DO DO IS WE HAVE PERMITS, WE HAVE AUTHORIZATIONS, AND THAT IS THE COST OF THE REGULATORY PROCESS.

AND THAT'S DEVELOPMENT CHARGES HAVE A DIFFERENT KIND OF DEFINITION AND KIND OF MEANING IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY, OF WHICH ALL KINDS OF BELLS AND WHISTLES GET ADDED INTO THOSE SORTS OF THINGS THAT WE DON'T ADD HERE.

SO AS A PLACE TO DO BUSINESS, COMPARATIVELY SPEAKING, IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS, WE'RE WE'RE VERY COMPETITIVE.

WE OBVIOUSLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE DEVELOPMENT HAPPEN IN OUR IN OUR FIRST CITY.

DONE THE RESPONSIBLE WAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COUNCILLOR FEQUET ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR. YEAH.

COUNCILMAN MCGURK THEN. COUNCILLOR COCHRANE. JUST TO MY FELLOW COUNCILLOR, I'M CURIOUS WHAT THE WHY YOU CHOSE THOSE THREE SPECIFIC ONES. COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN. SO THE INCREASES TO THEY'RE BASICALLY INCREASING THE SQUARE FOOT COST TO BE THE SAME AS I WOULD HAVE TO PULL UP THE THING ONE SECOND, BUT THE THE PRE-MANUFACTURED LIKE A TRAILER IS $1.50 A SQUARE FOOT, AS, LIKE, ALREADY AND THESE OTHER CHARGES WERE LOWER.

AND SO IT, THE INCREASE WOULD BE TO MATCH THOSE.

SO AND THEY ARE SPECIFIC RESIDENTIAL ONES THAT COULD APPLY TO RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS.

THE INCREASE TO DECKS GARAGES I DIDN'T INCLUDE, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT GIVING US ANY MORE UNITS FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE IN, WHEREAS TRYING TO TARGET FEES THAT WOULD JUST, YEAH, HAVE A VERY MARGINAL IMPACT TO COST FOR UNITS FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE IN. COUNCILLOR MCGURK. QUESTION FOR [INAUDIBLE], WHEN DOING A PERMIT FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, IF YOUR FOUNDATION IS NOT ENGINEERED OR PINNED TO BEDROCK CONCRETE FOUNDATION.

WHETHER YOU'RE BUILDING ON CRIBBING, IS IT INCLUDED AS OR CONSIDERED A FOUNDATION OR IS IT ENTERED UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR PERMITTING PURPOSES? MR. VAN DINE. I'M GLADLY TURNING THIS OVER TO DIRECTOR WHITE [LAUGHS].

YEAH. SO REGARDLESS OF WHAT IT IS, IT'S IT'S A NEW.

IT'S A NEW FOUNDATION. THANK YOU. OKAY. APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU. YEAH, IT WAS JUST FOR ANYONE WHO'S NOT ENTIRELY CERTAIN WHY I ASKED.

THAT IS, THE MAJORITY OF OUR FOUNDATIONS ARE NOT FOUNDATIONS AT ALL.

THEY'RE CRIBS OR, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WE DON'T DIG A LOT OF HOLES TO PUT BUILDINGS IN THEM THESE DAYS HERE.

I THINK I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE, THOUGH, BECAUSE I DO I DO THINK THAT ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO ADDITIONS, SPECIFICALLY ADDITIONS AND ALSO BUILDING ENVELOPE, THOSE ARE THOSE HAVE IMPLICATIONS OR. HARD TO SPEAK. SORRY. I HAVE A REALLY BAD HEADACHE.

THE THOSE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR RESIDENTS TO TO LOWER THEIR, THEIR FOOTPRINT IN THEIR HOMES AND ALSO TO SAVE MONEY AND REDUCE ENERGY CONSUMPTION. I LIKE THE IDEA OF SUPPORTING THAT FOUNDATIONS.

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I MEAN, THAT I DO BELIEVE THAT SUPPORTING THE THE ABILITY TO DO FOUNDATIONS IS THE SAME SORT OF LEVEL OF WORK AS AS NEW CONSTRUCTION.

I THINK THAT I WOULD BE I WOULD SUPPORT THIS.

I THINK EITHER WAY, MAYBE A SMALLER INCREASE ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND ALL THE WAY TO ONE $1.50.

SORRY. MAYBE LIKE A DOLLAR. I DON'T KNOW. I DO THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO KEEP THAT SLIGHTLY LOWER BECAUSE OF THE THE NATURE OF WHAT THOSE TWO ITEMS LIKE.

THEY HELP WITH ENERGY CONSUMPTION AND EMISSIONS AND YADA, YADA, YADA.

AND IF WE'RE COMMITTED TO THAT, WE CAN COMMIT A LITTLE BIT FINANCIALLY TO TO THAT ON THIS LEVEL OF WHAT WE DO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU'RE ALL GOOD. NEXT WE HAVE COUNCILLOR COCHRANE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR. QUESTION TO THE ADMINISTRATION.

HOW MANY PERMITS DOES THAT 66,000 REPRESENT? MR. VAN DINE. DIRECTOR WHITE. SO THAT'S 130 PERMITS FROM Q1 TO Q3.

COUNCILLOR COCHRANE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. AND HOW MANY DID WE HAVE THE YEAR PRIOR? BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING A DECREASE. MR. VAN DINE, DIRECTOR WHITE, I JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE HERE AT 228.

COUNCILLOR COCHRANE. COULD YOU ADVISE FROM YOUR EXPERT OPINION, WHAT IS REPRESENTING THAT DECREASE FROM THE YEAR PRIOR TO THIS YEAR? AND ARE WE TO EXPECT ANOTHER DECREASE NEXT YEAR? GO AHEAD, MR. VAN DINE. DIRECTOR WHITE. I'M HAPPY TO GIVE MY OPINION.

WITH A REDUCED AMOUNT OF LAND AVAILABLE FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT WE HAVE CONSISTENTLY SEEN A DECREASE FOR THE PAST, I'D SAY TEN YEARS IN THE NUMBER OF NEW RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS THAT ARE COMING FORWARD.

AND THIS ISN'T INCLUDING THE MALTESE. THIS IS SINGLE FAMILY SECONDARY SUITES, DUPLEXES TOWNHOMES.

I THINK WE'VE HAD ONE PERMIT FOR TOWNHOME THIS YEAR.

SO YES, UNTIL SUCH TIME AS NEW LAND BECOMES AVAILABLE TO BRING TO MARKET, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SEE THIS.

THANK YOU. HIGHLIGHTING ONCE AGAIN THE LAND CHALLENGE.

COUNCILLOR COCHRANE. THANK YOU. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS GETTING AT. THIS ONE'S A TOUGH ONE FOR ME.

I FIRST ADMIT, I'M NOT EXACTLY AN EXPERT IN THIS POLICY AREA, BUT I DO AGREE FUNDAMENTALLY WITH INCENTIVIZING IN ANY WHICH WAY TO INCREASE DEVELOPMENT, BUT WITHOUT THE LAND. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THIS WILL REALLY BE EFFECTIVE.

I AM CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT MY OTHER COLLEAGUES HAVE TO SAY, BUT IN PRINCIPLE, I DO SUPPORT THIS MOTION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT WE HAVE DEPUTY MAYOR WARBURTON.

THANK YOU. AND YEAH, I DEFINITELY SUPPORT DOING THIS.

LIKE I SAID AT GBC THIS AFTERNOON, THE BUILDING IS A DEATH BY A THOUSAND CUTS.

I KNOW IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A LOT OF MONEY. BUT REMEMBER, THIS IS ALSO THE PERMITTING SIDE, WHICH IS THE MONEY AT THE FRONT BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY BUILD SOMETHING VERY, VERY DIFFERENT THAN STUFF AT THE BACK.

AND I DO WANT TO COMMEND ADMINISTRATION FOR NOT RECOMMENDING DEVELOPMENT CHARGES.

I APPRECIATE THOSE ARE VERY DIFFERENT. TORONTO CHARGES ABOUT $180,000 IN FEES ON TOP OF PERMITS.

WE DO NOT BUT IT COSTS TWICE AS MUCH TO BUILD HERE AS EDMONTON.

SO ANYWAY, VERY HAPPY TO SUPPORT IT, I THINK INCREMENTALLY THESE LITTLE THINGS MATTER MORE THAN FOLKS THINK.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCILLOR FOOTE DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? YEAH. YOU CAN. YEAH. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. JUST A STATEMENT AGAIN.

NOT A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT IN THIS EITHER, BUT I WOULD THINK THAT MAYBE WE WOULD MAKE UP SOME OF THAT REVENUE ON THE BACK END WITH THE INCREASED ASSESSMENTS FROM INCREASED FOOTPRINT WITH THEORETICALLY LEAD TO A LITTLE BIT ADDITIONAL PROPERTY TAX.

LEAVE THE PERMITTING SIDE TO KIND OF DRIVE THE HEALTH AND SAFETY AND THE BUILDING CODE AND THE BYLAWS RATHER THAN REVENUE GENERATION.

THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I SIT WITH THIS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COUNCILLOR PAYNE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. YEAH, I, I DON'T THINK THIS IS GOING TO MAKE MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE.

ONE THING THAT I WOULD SO I'M NOT SURE IF I'M, IF I SUPPORT THIS MOTION OR NOT, BUT ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE NICKELS AND DIMES OF DEVELOPMENT IS MAYBE AT THE END OF A DEVELOPMENT GETTING SOME SORT OF REBATE BACK RIGHT AT THE END OF IT.

I WOULD PROBABLY VOTE TO KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS.

AND IF EVERYTHING IS DONE THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DONE TO GET A REBATE AT THE END OF IT.

BUT I'M ONLY ONE PERSON. AREN'T WE ALL FOR ANYBODY ELSE FOR THE FIRST ROUND? ON THE MOTION? YEAH. FOR MYSELF, I, YOU KNOW, KIND OF COUNCILLOR PAYNE IS TO A DEGREE, BUT I'LL PROBABLY SUPPORT IT ONLY FOR THE

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FACT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT KEEPING IT WHERE IT'S AT.

AND THEN WE STILL, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH SO MANY FEES AND CHARGES WE HAVE TO SORT OF GRAPPLE WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S OUR PHILOSOPHY AROUND THEM GENERALLY, BECAUSE I APPRECIATE A MAN WAS PUTTING THEM UP AS PART OF OUR 3% INCREASE, WHICH IS THE STANDARD WE DO. YOU KNOW, AT THE SAME TIME, WE TALK ABOUT HOUSING FOR ALL IN OUR STRATEGIC DIRECTIONS.

SO THIS IS AN AREA THAT WE CAN AT LEAST SIGNAL, EVEN IF IT DOESN'T END UP HAVING A MATERIAL IMPACT, IT'S SIGNALING IT'S IN THE RIGHT PLACE. SO I'LL LIKELY SUPPORT THE MOTION IF IT'S NOT A DECREASE FROM WHERE WE'RE AT.

AND THAT'S THE KEY FOR ME, IT'S KEEPING US STATIC WITHOUT ADDING TO A TO ANYTHING ELSE.

WITH THAT, THAT'S THE END OF THE FIRST ROUND. SECOND ROUND? I HAVE COUNCILLOR FEQUET. OH, IT'S JUST ON THE.

YEAH. OKAY. SO WE'LL COME TO YOU IN A SECOND THEN.

SO ON THE MOTION, IS THERE ANYTHING FURTHER BACK TO YOU? COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE CITY MANAGER FOR CLARIFYING MY USE OF LANGUAGE AND TERMINOLOGY.

YEAH, BUILDING FEES AND DEVELOPMENT FEES, NOT BILLING CHARGES.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH. YEAH, VERY SMALL THING.

AND ALSO APPRECIATE THAT IN TERMS OF THE SQUARE FOOT CHARGE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION OR PREFABRICATED BUILDINGS THE PROPOSAL IS NOT FOR THEM TO INCREASE.

SO YEAH, WE ARE WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP THE FEES MANAGEABLE, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND JUST LOOKING TO. YEAH. NOT HAVE AN INCREASE ON THESE OTHER THINGS.

SO THANKS FOR THE DISCUSSION EVERYBODY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THEN WITH THAT TO THE MOTION AS PROPOSED BY COUNCIL MCLENNAN, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

AND THAT IS EVERYBODY EXCEPT FOR COUNCILLOR ARDEN-SMITH.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED. COUNCILLOR ARDEN-SMITH. SO TO THE AMENDED OR.

SORRY, BEFORE WE GET THERE, I BELIEVE COUNCILLOR ARDEN-SMITH.

ARE YOU BRINGING FORWARD A MOTION ON FEES AND CHARGES? OKAY, SO NOW TO THE AMENDED MOTION OR THE AMENDED FEES AND CHARGES BYLAW RATHER.

CITY MANAGER. CITY CLERK IS GOING TO LOOK AT ME ANY MOMENT NOW WITH ALL OF MY MIXING THIS UP, BUT TO THE AMENDED BYLAW. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? WE HAVE COUNCILLOR ARDEN-SMITH FIRST, THEN COUNCILLOR FEQUET. COUNCILLOR ARDEN-SMITH. THANK YOU.

I JUST WANT TO HAVE ON THE RECORD THAT I'M GOING TO BE OPPOSED TO THE FEES AND CHARGES.

BECAUSE OF THE INTERNMENT AND BURIAL PLOT FEES.

AFTER HEARING NOW THAT WE HAVE AMENDED THE MOTION FOR BUILDING PERMITS, I THINK IT IS UNFAIR AND UNJUST THAT WE ARE WILLING TO MAKE CHANGES FOR DEVELOPMENT AND DO THAT ALL, DO ALL THAT WE CAN FOR FOR DEVELOPMENT BUT WE'RE NOT WILLING TO DO ALL WE CAN FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE MADE YELLOWKNIFE THEIR HOME AND HAVE INVESTED IN THE COMMUNITY, AND THEN INCREASE THE BURIAL AND INTERMENT COSTS BY 167%. SO I'LL BE OPPOSED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCILOR ARDEN-SMITH, COUNCILLOR FEQUET.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. A QUESTION REGARDING THE TABLE.

JUST TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT ONE HERE IN THE SCHEDULE ABOUT THE SCHOOLS.

THE FIRST QUESTION WAS JUST, ARE THE SCHOOLS INCREASING THEIR RATES? IS THAT TO US? WHAT? CAN YOU CLARIFY YOUR QUESTION? WHICH TABLE? THERE'S MANY. THERE'S MANY. A TABLE IN THE FEES AND CHARGES BYLAW.

PAGE 12. SO THIS IS SCHOOL RENTALS. THERE'S LARGE AND MEDIUM GYMS, MULTIPLEX GYMS, SMALL GYMS. I JUST WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT WE'RE INCREASING THIS BECAUSE THESE COSTS ARE BEING PASSED ON TO US.

MR.. VAN DINE. WE'VE WE WE HAVE REGULAR DISCUSSIONS WITH WITH THE SCHOOL BOARDS ON A REGULAR BASIS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALIGNING OUR, OUR CHARGES. BUT I'LL INVITE MY OTHER DIRECTOR, WHITE, TO TO RESPOND TO THIS PARTICULAR ONE, BUT I BELIEVE. BUT MR. WHITE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. VAN DINE. CORRECT. WE DO HAVE REGULAR MEETINGS FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AS WE GOVERN THROUGH THE JOINT USE AGREEMENT.

THE FEES THAT ARE INCREASED THROUGHOUT OUR FEES AND CHARGES POLICY INCLUDE BOTH CITY AND SCHOOL FACILITIES.

IN TERMS OF FAIRNESS SO FEES ARE INCREASED FAIR ACROSS THE BOARD 3%.

THANK YOU, COUNCILOR FEQUET. OKAY. YEAH, I GUESS MY COMMENT OR SUGGESTION OR DESIRE MOVING FORWARD IS THAT I APPRECIATE THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD THE LARGER PHILOSOPHICAL CONVERSATION ABOUT COST RECOVERY.

THE BURIAL PLOTS WERE JUST MOVING UP TO 50%. YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER THINGS, OTHER FACILITIES THAT WE HAVE AT DIFFERENT RATES.

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WE'RE TRYING TO PRIORITIZE YOUTH OVER ADULTS. AT SOME POINT, THOUGH THERE'S GOING TO BE A DIFFERENCE WHERE THE USAGE OF OUR FACILITIES AND OUR SERVICES CHANGE TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD TO USE IT.

SO I THINK FOR ME, MOVING FORWARD I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT IT THIS YEAR, BUT MOVING FORWARD, OR MAYBE FOR THE ONE THAT COMES IN THE SPRING, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO GET A SENSE, WHATEVER WAY IS ADMINISTRATIVELY NOT BURDENSOME TO SEE THE USAGE DATA.

BECAUSE IF SOME IF ALL OF A SUDDEN ALL OF OUR GYM RENTALS ARE PLUMMETING BECAUSE WE HIT A THRESHOLD THAT NOT FOR PROFITS JUST CAN'T AFFORD, THEN WE'VE OBVIOUSLY GONE TOO FAR WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY MAKING LESS MONEY BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD IT. AND AND THEY'RE ALSO USING IT LESS. SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT PEAK OR THAT THRESHOLD IS. AND IT'S PROBABLY DIFFERENT FOR ALL THESE SERVICES AND FACILITIES. SO JUST I GUESS A COMMENT TO ASK THAT IN THE FUTURE, SOME KIND OF DATA TO SUPPORT THE USAGE. SO WE KNOW IF THOSE FEES ARE AT THE RIGHT LEVEL WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE FEES AND CHARGES BYLAW? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AT SECOND READING.

AND THAT IS EVERYBODY EXCEPT FOR COUNCILLOR ARDEN-SMITH ALL THOSE OPPOSED.

COUNCIL ARDEN-SMITH. NEXT WE HAVE THIRD READING.

COUNCILLOR COCHRANE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I SO MOVE THAT BYLAW NUMBER 5113 OR 5118 BE PRESENTED FOR THIRD READING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THERE A SECONDER? COUNCILOR PAYNE.

ANY. OH NO. NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. CITY CLERK'S ALREADY ON ME BEFORE I EVEN JUST AUTOMATICALLY ASK.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. AND THAT'S EVERYBODY EXCEPT FOR COUNCILOR ARDEN-SMITH.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED. COUNCILLOR ARDEN-SMITH. COUNCILLOR COCHRANE.

THANK YOU. VERY SORRY.

LET'S TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS AND WE'LL. ME AND THE CITY CLERK WILL WORK OUR BRAINS.

WE'LL BE BACK AT 7:37.

AND WE'RE BACK FOR THE FUN OF GOVERNANCE. AND THANK YOU, EVERYBODY, FOR BEARING WITH US.

THANK YOU TO THE CITY CLERK, CITY MANAGER, DIRECTOR OF GOVERNANCE AND LEGAL AND ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES ON THIS ONE.

SO, COUNCILLOR COCHRANE, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE A MOTION.

GO FOR IT. THANK YOU, MISTER CHAIR. I SO MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION THAT BYLAW NUMBER 5118 BE PRESENTED FOR THIRD READING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THERE A SECONDER? DEPUTY MAYOR WARBURTON ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THAT ONE.

PERFECT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. THIS ONE. THIS ONE.

AND THAT. AND THAT'S UNANIMOUS. AND FOR CLARITY AND FOR CLARITY, THIS WAS A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THIS SO THAT WE CAN MOVE TO THIRD READING, WHERE WE WILL NOW MOVE TO THIRD READING.

COUNCILLOR COCHRANE I SO MOVE THAT BYLAW NUMBER 5118 BE PRESENTED FOR THIRD READING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THERE A SECONDER ON THIS? COUNCILLOR FEQUET. YOU GONNA VOTE FOR THIS ONE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. AND THAT IS UNANIMOUS. COUNCILLOR COCHRANE.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I SO MOVE THE THIRD READING OF BYLAW NUMBER 5118.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THERE A SECONDER? COUNCIL MCGURK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. AND THAT IS EVERYBODY EXCEPT FOR COUNCILOR ARDEN-SMITH.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED COUNCILLOR ARDEN-SMITH. THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR BEARING WITH ME AND WITH US THERE.

WITH THAT WE COME TO DEFERRED BUSINESS AND TABLED ITEMS. THERE WAS NO DEFERRED BUSINESS AND THERE WERE NO TABLED ITEMS FOR THE AGENDA.

ANY FROM THE FLOOR? SEEING NONE. OLD BUSINESS.

THERE WAS NONE FOR THE AGENDA. ANY FROM THE FLOOR? SEEING NONE.

NOTICES OF MOTION. NONE FOR THE AGENDA. ANY FROM THE FLOOR? SEEING NONE. DELEGATIONS PERTAINING TO ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA.

THERE WERE NONE. ADMINISTRATIVE INQUIRIES. THERE WERE NONE FOR THE AGENDA.

ARE THERE ANY FROM THE FLOOR? ADJOURNMENT. NO.

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ARE YOU ACTUALLY COUNCILLOR FEQUET? NO. YOU WERE WAITING FOR COUNCILLOR TO PAYNE TO SEE YOU. WITH THAT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? COUNCILLOR ARDEN-SMITH, SECONDED BY COUNCILOR COCHRANE.

MERRY CHRISTMAS, HAPPY HOLIDAYS. HAPPY NEW YEAR, EVERYBODY.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.