Sep 22, 2025 Governance & Priorities Committee

[*A portion of this video is without audio*]

[4. A presentation from Administration and from Stantec regarding the Community Plan Phase 1 Consultation.]

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>> CAN ANYBODY ONLINE HEAR US?

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>> I'M READY TO SHARE MINE, SO I CAN TRY.

IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S GOING TO WORK.

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>> HOW DOES THAT LOOK? IS IT SHOWING THE PRESENTATION?

>> YEAH, WE'RE GOOD. WE CAN SEE YOU.

>> DO YOU WANT ME TO GET STARTED?

>> YES. WE'RE IN THE COMMUNITY MEETING AND YOU CAN GO AHEAD, PLEASE.

>> THANK YOU. MY NAME IS ZOE MORRISON.

I'M A COMMUNITY PLANNER WITH STANTEC AND I HAVE A COLLEAGUE HERE, JOHN HESELTINE, WHO'S ON THE CALL AS WELL.

HE'S ALSO A PLANNER AND A DEMOGRAPHER.

I WILL GO THROUGH THIS SHORT PRESENTATION AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

TODAY, WE'RE JUST GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROJECT, ABOUT SOME OF THE TRENDS THAT WE CONSIDERED PUTTING TOGETHER THE POPULATION PROJECTIONS.

WE'RE GOING TO SHARE A SERIES OF POPULATION AND EMPLOYMENT PROJECTIONS, AND THEN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LANDS NEEDS ASSESSMENTS.

WE WERE HIRED EARLIER THIS YEAR TO PRODUCE A SERIES OF POPULATION PROJECTIONS.

THESE ARE LOOKING AT THE POPULATION FOR THE NEXT 25 YEARS.

THIS IS A PIECE THAT WILL SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY PLANNING EFFORT THAT'S UNDERWAY, AND ACKNOWLEDGES HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO HAVE UPDATED AND REALISTIC POPULATION PROJECTIONS TO SUPPORT ALL ELEMENTS OF LAND USE PLANNING SO AMENITIES, INFRASTRUCTURE, LAND, THAT THING.

TO BEGIN WITH, WE CONSIDERED SOME OF THE TRENDS AND FACTORS THAT GO INTO THE HISTORIC AND CURRENT POPULATION IN YELLOWKNIFE.

A COUPLE OF THINGS TO NOTE, THE POPULATION GREW QUITE QUICKLY AFTER THE SECOND WORLD WAR, AND SPECIFICALLY AFTER BECOMING THE CAPITOL IN 1967.

OBVIOUSLY, MINING HAS HAD AN INFLUENCE ON THE POPULATION AND HAS FLUCTUATED ALONG WITH THE CYCLES OF MINING DEVELOPMENT IN THE TERRITORY.

SINCE THE 2000S, THE POPULATION HAS REMAINED RELATIVELY STABLE BETWEEN 18,000 AND 20,000, GROWING SLOWLY, BUT NOT THE BIG FLUCTUATIONS THAT WERE SEEN PREVIOUSLY.

YELLOWKNIFE IS A COMMUNITY THAT SEES A LOT OF MIGRATION AND MOBILITY, SO ATTRACTS LOTS OF RESIDENTS FROM OTHER SMALLER COMMUNITIES IN THE TERRITORY, BUT ALSO SEES PEOPLE MOVING IN FROM OTHER PROVINCES AND TERRITORIES AND OTHER COUNTRIES, AS WELL AS YOUNG PEOPLE MOVING OUT FOR EDUCATION AND EMPLOYMENT.

LASTLY, IT HAS A YOUNG POPULATION COMPARED TO THE CANADIAN AVERAGE, ALTHOUGH THIS IS GRADUALLY CHANGING OVER TIME.

HERE IS A GRAPH THAT JUST SHOWS THAT POPULATION CHANGE THROUGH 2000, SO LAST 25 YEARS.

CURRENT POPULATION AS OF THE END OF 2024 IS 21,788.

I WILL NOTE THAT ALL PROJECTIONS ARE BASED ON THE CURRENT POPULATION AND THE AGE AND SEX BREAKDOWNS AS WELL AS PAST TRENDS.

STATS CANADA PRODUCES POPULATIONS FOR COMMUNITIES, ON THAT EVERY FIVE YEAR CYCLE.

THE LAST ONE WAS DONE FOR 2021.

THEN THERE ARE ANNUAL INTERIM ESTIMATES THAT ARE DONE AND IN THE NWT, THESE ARE DONE WITH STATCAN AND THE BUREAU OF STATS WORKING TOGETHER ON THESE INTERIM ESTIMATES.

WE ALWAYS USE THOSE AS THE MORE ACCURATE AND THEY INCLUDE AN ACCOUNTING FOR THE UNDERCOUNT THAT HAPPENS IN THE CENSUS.

THAT'S WHERE WE ARE NOW.

YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A PERIOD OF VERY FAST GROWTH IN THE EARLY 2000S AND SOME CHANGES IN THAT TIME SLOW AND STEADY GROWTH WITH SOME TWO OR THREE YEAR PERIODS THAT SAW FLAT OR EVEN DECLINING POPULATIONS, AND THEN SOME PERIODS WHICH SAW QUICKER GROWTH.

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THIS INCLUDES INCREASED MILITARY INVESTMENT, OTHER LARGE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, WHICH COULD DRIVE IN MIGRATION AND SUPPORT GROWTH IN GENERAL.

THERE'S ALSO TO CONSIDER GENERAL VOLATILITY WITH THE INTERNATIONAL ECONOMIC TRENDS, TARIFFS.

THERE'S A HIGH COST OF CONSTRUCTION, WHICH COULD LEAD TO INCREASED CHALLENGES WITH AFFORDABILITY.

MINE CLOSURES, AND THAT COULD POTENTIALLY LEADING TO REDUCED JOBS AND OUT MIGRATION.

THERE'S ALSO BEEN A GROWTH IN RECENT YEARS IN YELLOWKNIFE OF SERVICE SECTOR INDUSTRIES, SO RETAIL HEALTH, EDUCATION, THAT'S A TREND.

THERE'S ALSO INCREASE IN TOURISM AND SPECIFICALLY ECOTOURISM AND ADVENTURE TOURISM, WHICH COULD LEAD TO SLOW POPULATION INCREASES.

THEN OVERALL, MIGRATION PATTERNS ARE COMPLEX AND SHAPED BY SOCIAL, ECONOMIC, POLITICAL, ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS THAT CAN LEAD TO INCREASES OR DECREASES IN POPULATION OVER TIME.

THE ATTRACTING YOUNG PEOPLE IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN A FACTOR IN YELLOWKNIFE SO SEEING YOUNG PEOPLE ARRIVING FROM OTHER SMALL TOWNS, LOOKING FOR JOBS OR EDUCATION.

THEN THE OTHER PIECE IS ABOUT POPULATION RETENTION.

AS THE POPULATION GROWS, BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE HEALTHCARE, EDUCATION, CHILDCARE, HOUSING, THAT'S SUFFICIENT AND AFFORDABLE IS IMPORTANT TOO.

IF YOUR POPULATION IS GROWING, BUT PEOPLE AREN'T ABLE TO ACCESS THE SERVICES THEY NEED, THEN THAT CAN LEAD TO DECREASE IN POPULATION.

LASTLY, POPULATION PROJECTIONS IS REALLY COMPLEX AND INTERESTING.

THERE ARE ALL OF THESE EXTERNAL FORCES AS WELL AS INTERNAL FORCES, SOME OF THEM ARE GRADUAL, SOME CAN BE SUDDEN.

THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO THINKING ABOUT FUTURE POPULATIONS.

WHENEVER YOU DO POPULATION PROJECTIONS, THERE ARE DIFFERENT METHODS YOU CAN DO TO TO DO THE PROJECTION.

YOU CHOOSE THE METHOD BASED ON THE COMMUNITY SIZE, THE DATA THAT'S AVAILABLE, THE IMMIGRATION TRENDS, THE REMOTENESS, AND OTHER FACTORS.

FOR OUR PROJECTIONS, WE USED A METHOD CALLED COHORT CONVERSION, WHICH I'LL EXPLAIN BRIEFLY, BUT IT'S GOOD TO NOTE THAT THE PURPOSE OBVIOUSLY IS PROJECTING A POPULATION INTO THE FUTURE, BUT ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT METHODS TEND TO GET WILDLY OR LESS ACCURATE THE FARTHER OUT YOU GET AND 25 YEARS IS A LONG TIME FOR POPULATION PROJECTIONS.

I'LL TRY TO PUT THIS SIMPLY, AND IF YOU HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE METHODS, I'LL TURN TO JOHN.

BUT BASICALLY, THE COHORT CONVERSION METHOD, YOU DIVIDE THE POPULATION INTO COHORTS, GENERALLY FIVE YEAR CHUNKS, SO 0-5 YEAR OLDS, 5-9 YEAR OLDS, 9-14 YEAR OLDS, ETC.

THEN AS YOU MOVE INTO THE FUTURE, YOU ADVANCE EACH OF THESE COHORTS, AND YOU ADJUST.

IN FIVE YEARS, YOU TAKE THE 0-4 YEAR OLDS AND YOU ASSUME THAT THEY NOW FORM THE 5-9 YEAR OLDS, AND YOU LOOK AT THE PERCENTAGE OF EACH COHORT THAT WILL APPEAR IN THE OLDER GROUP AS YOU MOVE FORWARD.

THEN TO ADD TO THAT, YOU CONSIDER BIRTH RATES.

THAT'S HOW YOU GET PEOPLE IN THE NEW YOUNGEST COHORTS, AND THEN YOU ALSO CONSIDER BOTH MIGRATION AND SURVIVAL RATES FOR THE OLDEST COHORTS.

BASICALLY, YOU'RE TAKING THE POPULATION, MOVING IT AHEAD IN TIME AND THEN ADJUSTING EACH COHORT AS YOU GO.

THE POPULATION PROJECTIONS THAT WE'VE DONE.

WE HAVE THREE, SO A LOW GROWTH SCENARIO, A MEDIUM GROWTH SCENARIO, AND A HIGH GROWTH SCENARIO.

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>> THESE AS YOU CAN SEE, RESULTING IN DIFFERENT NUMBERS RANGING FROM JUST ABOUT 23,000 TO OVER 26,600 SOME.

QUITE A SPREAD REALLY IN TERMS OF THE END POPULATION IN 25 YEARS.

I WILL TALK THROUGH EACH OF THESE A LITTLE BIT MORE AS WE GO THROUGH THE SLIDES.

THE LOW GROWTH SCENARIO, THIS REFLECTS CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATES, ONGOING ECONOMIC UNCERTAINTY.

THIS WOULD BE NOT SEEING ANY OF THOSE BIG INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS GOING AHEAD, CONTINUED DECLINE IN THE MINING SECTOR, HIGH CONSTRUCTION COSTS, AND THEN SOME OUT MIGRATION RELATED TO THAT HIGH COST OF LIVING.

TO DO THIS LOW GROWTH SCENARIO, WE LOOKED AT THE GROWTH RATES AND TRENDS BETWEEN 2011 AND 2024.

THIS HAS MIXED GROWTH RATES, BUT OVERALL LOWER GROWTH RATES.

THIS ONE, AS I SAID, SEES THE POPULATION UP TO JUST ABOUT 23,000 WITH SLOWER GROWTH RATES AND THEN A GRADUAL DECLINE AS YOU GET OUT TOWARDS 2050 WITH AN INCREASINGLY AGING POPULATION.

THAT'S THE LOW GROWTH SCENARIO.

THE MEDIUM GROWTH SCENARIO, WE THINK PRESENTS A BALANCED GROWTH SCENARIO.

THIS WOULD BE MODERATE OR ONGOING GROWTH IN TOURISM, MINING, MILITARY PRESENCE, INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT, SEES STABLE PUBLIC SECTOR EMPLOYMENT, ONGOING IN MIGRATION FROM OTHER COUNTRIES FROM THE NORTHWEST TERRITORY COMMUNITIES, AND THEN SEEING HOUSING GROWTH MOVING ALONGSIDE SO THAT THERE IS HOUSING FOR FOLKS.

THIS SCENARIO REPRESENTS THE MOST RECENT TRENDS OF THE LAST FIVE YEARS, TAKING THAT AND CONTINUING IT ON OUT INTO THE FUTURE.

THIS MEDIAN GROWTH SCENARIO SEES A POPULATION OF 24,500 OVER THE NEXT 25 YEARS AND SEES GRADUAL INCREASE WITH SMALL CHANGES IN THE AGE JUST DISTRIBUTION.

THEN LASTLY, THE HIGH GROWTH SCENARIO.

THIS CAPTURES A MORE OPTIMISTIC CONDITIONS OR TRANSFORMATIVE EVENTS.

THIS WOULD BE CONTINUED GROWTH IN THE COMMUNITY.

THIS COULD BE LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE LARGE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS GOING AHEAD IN THE NORTHWEST TERRITORIES, LOOKING AT INCREASED MILITARY, CONTINUED HIGH IN MIGRATION, AND THEN ASSUMPTIONS THAT THE COMMUNITY AMENITIES CAN CONTINUED GROWTH, ESPECIALLY IN HOUSING.

THIS REFLECTS THAT HIGHEST TIME OF GROWTH IN THE LAST 25 YEARS.

LOOKING AT THE GROWTH THAT WAS SEEN BETWEEN 2001 AND 2006.

THIS LEADS TO A POPULATION OF 26,600 AND SOME BY 2050, WHICH WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT POPULATION GROWTH AND MORE DIVERSE AGE MIX.

THEN, OF COURSE, COMING WITH IT INCREASED DEMAND FOR HOUSING, SERVICES, AND OBVIOUSLY, ACCELERATED LAND DEVELOPMENT PLANNING TO SUPPORT THAT.

THOSE ARE THE THREE DIFFERENT GROWTH SCENARIOS THAT WE'VE PRESENTED IN OUR REPORT.

I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE EMPLOYMENT PROFILE AS WELL.

AS I'M SURE YOU KNOW, PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION IS THE KEY EMPLOYMENT SECTOR IN YELLOWKNIFE, SO 30% OF THE WORKFORCE WAS IN PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION.

THIS IS MORE THAN FOUR TIMES THE NATIONAL AVERAGE.

ALONG WITH THAT, YOU SEE HIGH WAGES.

OBVIOUSLY A HIGH COST OF LIVING, BUT THE WAGES BALANCE THAT OUT.

THEN ANOTHER ISSUE IS ONGOING RECRUITMENT CHALLENGES.

DIFFICULTIES IN RECRUITING AND RETAINING SKILLED WORKERS.

I THINK THERE ARE SPECIFIC ROLES THAT STRUGGLE IN AN ONGOING WAY WITH RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION.

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IN TERMS OF THE EMPLOYMENT PROFILE, THIS SHOWS EMPLOYMENT IN THESE DIFFERENT SECTORS.

THE YELLOW BARS ARE 2021, AND THE GRAY BARS ARE 2016.

YOU SEE GROWTH IN GENERAL, IN MOST OF THE SECTORS, BUT NOTABLY, PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION GREW QUITE A BIT OVER THAT FIVE-YEAR PERIOD.

THEN ALSO YOU SEE A SHRINK IN MINING, QUARRYING, OIL AND GAS SECTOR AS WELL DURING THAT TIME.

IN TERMS OF EMPLOYMENT PROJECTIONS, THIS GRAPH JUST BASICALLY SHOWS THIS IS FOR THE MEDIUM SCENARIO.

BASICALLY, IT'S EXPECTED THAT ALONG WITH THE POPULATION THAT EMPLOYMENT NUMBERS WILL GROW AT THE SAME RATE AS THE POPULATION.

LASTLY, I'M GOING TO TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT LAND NEEDS ASSESSMENT.

FOR RESIDENTIAL LANDS, THERE ARE ONGOING ISSUES WITH AFFORDABILITY, SO 14% OF YELLOWKNIFE HOUSEHOLDS SPENT 30% OR MORE OF THEIR INCOME ON SHELTER COSTS, WHICH IS POINTS TO ISSUES WITH AFFORDABILITY.

THERE'S ALSO ISSUES WITH ADEQUACY AND SUITABILITY OF HOUSING.

IN OUR LAND DEMAND CALCULATIONS, WHICH I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO IN DEPTH, BUT WE LOOKED AT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, WHAT IS THE NET DEVELOPABLE AREA VERSUS THE GROSS AREA.

HOW MANY HOUSES DO YOU GET PER HECTARE? WE LOOKED AT WHAT WE THINK THE MIX OF HOUSING TYPES WILL BE IN THE FUTURE, THE LOT SIZES FOR EACH OF THESE HOUSING TYPES AND THEN THE HOUSEHOLD SIZE.

HERE SHOWS THE PROJECTED POPULATION FOR THE THREE SCENARIOS.

THE NEW PEOPLE NEEDED TO BE ACCOMMODATED, THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WOULD BE NEEDED.

THEN HERE, THIS DARKER GRAY BAR IS THE LAND NEEDED TOTAL FOR THE PROJECTED POPULATION.

THEN THE LAST LINE IS THAT NEW LAND THAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO SUPPORT THE NEW POPULATION.

IT'S OBVIOUSLY A BIG RANGE BETWEEN 16 HECTARES AND THEN 65 HECTARES FOR THE HIGH GROWTH SCENARIO.

MOVING ON TO COMMERCIAL LANDS.

IT'S DIFFICULT AS POPULATION GROWS TO ESTIMATE HOW MUCH COMMERCIAL LAND WILL BE NEEDED BECAUSE WE THINK, IN THE 2020 COMMUNITY PLAN, IT IDENTIFIED THAT THERE IS 4.636 HECTARES OF COMMERCIAL LAND PER 1,000 POPULATION.

THIS IS A HIGH ESTIMATE COMPARED TO OTHER COMMUNITIES, WHICH REFLECTS THE REMOTENESS OF YELLOWKNIFE.

WE THINK THAT THE AMOUNT OF LAND PER THOUSAND PEOPLE WILL GRADUALLY DECREASE AS THE POPULATION GROWS.

COUPLE OF OTHER NOTES HERE.

THE COMMUNITY PLAN IDENTIFIES A LOT BETWEEN FRAME LAKE AND OLD AIRPORT ROAD FOR FUTURE COMMERCIAL USE AND LIKELY ACCOMMODATING FUTURE COMMERCIAL USES WILL INVOLVE A MIX OF THINGS.

SOME OF THAT WILL BE GREENFIELD DEVELOPMENT, SOME WILL BE INFILL, AND SOME WILL BE MORE DENSITY WITHIN EXISTING COMMERCIAL AREAS.

AGAIN, WE HAVE HERE A CALCULATION.

IT'S SET UP IN THE SAME WAY.

THE THREE SCENARIOS.

THIS IS THE AMOUNT OF LAND BASED ON THE CURRENT 4.36 HECTARES PER 1,000 PEOPLE.

THIS IS THE ADDITIONAL LAND THAT WOULD BE NEEDED.

THEN IF WE USE A SLIGHTLY REDUCED AMOUNT OF LAND NEEDED IN THE FUTURE, YOU GET FOUR HECTARES NEEDED FOR THE LOW GROWTH AND THEN 17 FOR THE HIGH GROWTH SCENARIO.

THEN LASTLY, I'LL TALK ABOUT INDUSTRIAL LAND.

AGAIN, THERE IS AN ESTIMATE IN THE 2020 PLAN ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF INDUSTRIAL LAND NEEDED FOR PER 1,000 RESIDENTS.

THIS IS 18.2 HECTARES, AND AGAIN, THE SAME SCENARIO, WE THINK THAT AS THE POPULATION GROWS, THIS AMOUNT WILL DECREASE OVER TIME.

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THIS LAST LINE IS THE ONE TO LOOK AT.

THIS IS BASED ON A LOWER AMOUNT OF INDUSTRIAL LAND NEEDED PER 1,000 PEOPLE, AND SHOWS BETWEEN 10 AND 40 HECTARES NEEDED TO SUPPORT GROWTH.

THEN THIS IS THE LAST SLIDE.

FOR PLANNING PURPOSES, THAT MEDIUM GROWTH SCENARIO, WE THINK BASED ON OUR NUMBERS AND OUR PROFESSIONAL JUDGMENT PROVIDES A REASONABLE ESTIMATE FOR YELLOWKNIFE'S POPULATION GROWTH.

THE POPULATION WILL LIKELY REMAIN YOUNG OVER TIME, AS WELL AS WITH A HIGHER THAN AVERAGE PROPORTION OF WORKING AGE PEOPLE, ALTHOUGH, GRADUALLY THE POPULATION WILL AGE.

THEN OVER HERE, WE HAVE CAPTURED THE LENS NEEDED FOR THAT MEDIUM GROWTH SCENARIO.

FROM MY DISCUSSION WITH MOHAMMED, THERE'S COMMERCIAL LANDS FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND INDUSTRIAL LANDS FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IDENTIFIED IN THE CURRENT COMMUNITY PLAN, WHICH WILL LIKELY BE ENOUGH TO SUPPORT THE MEDIUM GROWTH, BUT THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL LANDS THAT WILL NEED TO BE DEVELOPED.

I'LL LEAVE IT THERE. I FEEL LIKE THAT WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION TO TRY TO GET ACROSS IN A FEW MINUTES.

YOU'LL HAVE TO TELL ME IF THERE'S TIME FOR QUESTIONS, YOU CAN TRY TO ANSWER THEM.

>> THANK YOU. YEAH. THANKS FOR PRESENTATION. APPRECIATE THAT.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES ON THIS? COUNCIL MCLENNAN.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.

LOTS OF GREAT NUMBERS AND THOUGHTS AND NEED TO TAKE SOME MORE TIME TO ABSORB IT.

ONE PARTICULAR ONE THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME WAS THE NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS YOU DESCRIBED AS NEEDING BY 2051 WAS 1,032 UNDER THE MEDIUM GROW SCENARIO.

I'M JUST LOOKING TO UNDERSTAND HOW YOU DEFINE UNITS BECAUSE OUR HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT SAID THAT WE'LL NEED 1,059 UNITS BY 2035, 16 YEARS EARLIER.

LOOKING TO FIGURE OUT WHY THE HUGE DIFFERENCE THERE.

>> MS. WHITE.

>> HELLO ALASKA MS. MORRISON, IF SHE CAN RESPOND TO THAT. THANK YOU.

>> YES, SURE. THANK YOU.

OUR CALCULATION FOR THIS IS REALLY JUST BASED ON THE NUMBERS, THE ADDITIONAL PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE PRESENT WITH THE MEDIAN GROWTH SCENARIO OR THE HIGH GROWTH SCENARIO.

THEN LOOKING AT IF THE HOUSEHOLD SIZE IS 2.7 ON AVERAGE, THAT'S HOW MANY UNITS YOU WOULD NEED.

I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE METHODOLOGY THAT WAS USED IN THE INTERIM FOR THAT HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT, BUT I COULD HAVE A LOOK AT IT AND PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT WHY THOSE TWO NUMBERS ARE DIFFERENT, IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

>> YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

JUST TRYING TO FIND SOME DATA ON WHICH TO BASE HOUSING DECISIONS.

IT'S JUST QUITE INTERESTING THAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE SO VASTLY DIFFERENT.

I THINK THAT'S THE ONE QUESTION THAT JUMPED AT ME.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL FEQUET.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU TO THE TEAM ONLINE FOR THE PRESENTATION.

JUST A FEW QUESTIONS.

THE LAND NEEDS ASSESSMENT PROVIDED HECTORS UNDER EACH OF THE THREE GROWTH SCENARIOS.

I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHAT WAS THE DENSITY ASSUMPTIONS WITH THOSE PROJECTIONS THAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING THE NUMBER OF HECTARES IS NEEDED?

>> [OVERLAPPING] SORRY. MS. WHITE.

>> THANK YOU. THEY'VE USED TWO SCENARIOS FOR CALCULATING THE AREA BASED ON THE POPULATION.

THEY'RE SUGGESTING BOTH FOR COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL THAT EVEN AT A LOWER NUMBER OF AMOUNT OF HECTARES, THAT THERE WOULD BE STILL MORE LAND REQUIRED THAN WHAT IS CURRENTLY DESIGNATED IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN,

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>> THANK YOU. IT IS TRICKY TO IDENTIFY HOW MUCH OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF LAND IS NEEDED BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO COMPARE YELLOWKNIFE TO OTHER COMMUNITIES AND THAT MANY OTHER COMMUNITIES OF ITS SIZE WILL HAVE.

PEOPLE WILL BE DRIVING ELSEWHERE TO ACCESS INDUSTRIAL OR COMMERCIAL NEEDS.

WE HAVEN'T MADE ASSUMPTIONS BASED ON THE DENSITY OF THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, BUT RATHER HAVE GONE WITH USING THE CURRENT AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL LAND PER 1,000 PEOPLE IN YELLOWKNIFE IS 4.36 HECTARES.

OUR ASSUMPTION IS THAT OVER TIME AND AS THE COMMUNITY GROWS, YOU WON'T NEED THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE SIZE OF CANADIAN TIRE WOULD SERVE A COMMUNITY THAT'S 25,000, 28,000, PROBABLY 30,000.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE GROWTH OF EACH BUSINESS, BUT A GRADUAL GROWTH OF COMMERCIAL SPACES AND THAT THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF LAND OR ABILITY TO DENSIFY WITHIN EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS.

I'M NOT SURE IF I'VE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.

>> THANK YOU FOR TAKING A CRACK. THAT IS HELPFUL.

I WILL ASK A FOLLOW-UP, I GUESS.

YOU SAID YOU BASE IT OFF THE 4.63 HECTARES PER PERSON PER 1,000 PEOPLE.

IS THAT UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT, THAT IS THE LAND AVAILABLE TO THE CITY, EITHER 9% THAT WE HAVE CONTROL OVER OR THE ENTIRE AVAILABLE LAND IN OUR MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES.

>> THE 0.36 REPRESENTS THE CURRENT LANDS THAT ARE BEING USED FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

NOT THE PERCENT THAT YOU SPOKE ABOUT, BUT THIS IS CURRENTLY HOW MUCH COMMERCIAL LAND THERE IS AVAILABLE IS BEING USED FOR PER 1,000 PEOPLE.

WE ASSUME THAT AS THE COMMUNITY GROWS, THE NEED FOR COMMERCIAL LANDS WILL GROW AS WELL, BUT IT WON'T BE AS HIGH.

WE WON'T NEED TO CONSIDER THAT WE'LL NEED AN ADDITIONAL 4.36 PER 1,000 PEOPLE, BUT RATHER, IF YOU USE THE LOWEST LINE HERE THAT WE NEED A SMALLER AMOUNT OF LAND PER PERSON AS THE COMMUNITY GROWS?

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT. COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS.

THERE WAS A SLIDE THAT YOU GUYS HAD UP ABOUT THE CORE HOUSING NEEDS VERSUS THE AFFORDABILITY AND THE PERCENTAGES WERE DIFFERENT.

I THINK IT WAS 8.4% OF THE POPULATION IS IN THE CORE HOUSING NEEDS VERSUS 14.2% OF THE POPULATION SPENDS 30% OR MORE ON THEIR HOUSING COSTS.

COULD YOU ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT JUST ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO NUMBERS THAT WERE PROVIDED AND WHAT THEY'RE INTENDED TO CONVEY?

>> YEAH, I CAN PULL OUT AND PROVIDE THIS ALONG WITH THE INFORMATION REQUESTED PREVIOUSLY ABOUT THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND WHY THEY'RE DIFFERENT.

THESE NUMBERS ARE FROM THAT HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT 8.4% ARE FACING ISSUES RELATED BETTER A HIGHER LEVEL OF ISSUES RELATED TO UNSUITABLE HOUSING OR AFFORDABILITY, WHEREAS 14.2 ARE DEALING WITH AFFORDABILITY CHALLENGES THAT ARE LESS SEVERE, BUT STILL A CONCERN.

BUT I CAN PULL THAT OUT AND PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION AS WELL.

>> I THINK MS. WHITE HAS SOME ADDITIONAL INFLOW ON THIS AS WELL.

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>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I WILL PASS IT ALONG TO MOHAMMED IN A SECOND.

HOWEVER, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT, SO THE CORE HOUSING NEED, SOMETIMES THAT IS A DWELLING THAT MAYBE IS IN SIGNIFICANT NEED OF REPAIR.

MAYBE IT'S A FAMILY WHO REQUIRES MULTIPLE BEDROOMS, BUT IS SUFFICING WITH MAYBE ONLY ONE OR TWO, SO IT'S NOT ACTUALLY MEETING WHAT THEY NEED ADEQUATELY FOR THE FAMILY TO THRIVE.

THAT FALLS UNDER SUITABILITY AS WELL.

IT COULD ALSO BE LOCATION WHERE YOU'RE LOCATED ON ONE SIDE OF THE CITY.

YOU DON'T HAVE A VEHICLE, BUT YOU GOT TO GET AROUND TOWN.

HOW DO YOU DO THAT? MAYBE THAT JUST DOESN'T WORK FOR YOU.

THEN THE AFFORDABILITY CHALLENGE.

THAT'S REALLY GOING TO THAT AFFORDABILITY DEFINITION SOLELY.

IT'S NOT ENTIRELY LOOKING AT THE PIECE ABOVE, SO THEY'RE SOMEWHAT SEPARATE AND IT'S REALLY JUST COST BASED.

ARE YOU SPENDING GREATER THAN THAT 30% ON YOUR SHELTER COSTS? BUT I'LL SEE IF MOHAMMED HAS ANYTHING ADDITIONAL.

>> EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED TO SAY, BUT JUST ON THAT CORE HOUSING NEED PIECE.

THERE ARE THREE THINGS THAT IS CONSIDERED FOR CORE HOUSING NEED.

FIRST ONE IS THE SUITABILITY AS MS. WHITE MENTIONED.

FOR EXAMPLE, IN A HOUSE WHICH HAS TWO BEDROOM, BUT THERE ARE THREE PERSONS LIVING.

THEY HAVE SOME SUITABILITY CHALLENGES AND THEN THERE ARE OTHER ASPECTS OF THOSE HOUSES WHICH NEEDS REPAIRS, LIKE THOSE HOUSES WHICH ARE IN IN A DIFFICULT SITUATION THAT NEEDS SOME REPAIRS, THAT'S ALSO CONSIDERED WITHIN THAT CORE HOUSING AND THE LAST ONE AS MS. WHITE ALREADY MENTIONED THAT AFFORDABILITY.

THESE THREE ASPECTS ARE CONSIDERED ALTOGETHER.

THAT'S WHERE THE TOTAL PERCENTAGE IS LESS, WHEREAS THE AFFORDABILITY ONLY WHICH HAS 14.2%, WHICH ONLY DEFINES BY THE ANNUAL INCOME OF THE HOUSEHOLD AND GENERALLY WE CONSIDER 30% OF THE INCOME HAS TO BE OR LESS HAS TO BE FOR THE ACCOMMODATION OR SHELTER COSTS.

WHOEVER HAS COST MORE THAN 30%.

THEY ARE UNDER UNAFFORDABLE SITUATION.

>> THANK YOU. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THE RESPONSE TO MEAN THAT THOSE TWO NUMBERS SHOULD BE ADDED TOGETHER FOR RESIDENTS FACING DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROBLEMS RELATED TO SUITABILITY, AFFORDABILITY AND THE NEED FOR REPAIRS.

THE 14.2 IS JUST THOSE FOLKS SPENDING 30% OR MORE.

MAYBE THE LAST ONE.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS JUST TRYING TO GET A SENSE OF THE CONSERVATISM IN THE MODEL.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF YOU COULD SHARE OR MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING YOU CAN SHARE SEPARATELY ON THE SIDE.

BUT JUST REGARDING THE PROJECTIONS, YOU SHOWED A SLIDE AT THE BEGINNING CALLED TRENDS AND I WAS CURIOUS WHAT SOME OF THE ASSUMPTIONS IN THE PROJECTIONS WERE REGARDING MIGRATION FROM SMALLER COMMUNITIES, THE MILITARY INVESTMENT, THE END OF OPERATIONS OF THE THREE DIAMOND MINES AND FEDERAL IMMIGRATION POLICIES.

I HEARD THE SOURCES OF ALL THE INFORMATION THAT YOU QUOTED, BUT I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU CAN SHARE THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WERE MADE IN THE PROJECTIONS REGARDING THOSE PRETTY BIG DRIVERS.

>> YEAH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

>> GO AHEAD MS. MORRISON.

>> SORRY. IT'S A BIT AWKWARD BUT YOU'RE ONLINE AND YOU CAN'T SEE THE ROOM.

IN OUR REPORT, YOU'LL SEE WE CONSIDERED EACH OF THESE AND WE USED THEM IN A GENERAL SENSE TO BUILD OUR MODELS AND OUR SCENARIOS THAT WE SHOW HERE.

BUT WE DIDN'T MAKE ASSUMPTIONS TO THE LEVEL OF DETAIL GOING THROUGH EACH OF THOSE TRENDS TO SAY IF THIS HAPPENS, THEN, 200 PEOPLE WILL COME OR GO.

WHAT WE DID WAS USE PREVIOUS GROWTH PERIODS OF GROWTH IN THE HISTORIC POPULATION TO SHOW WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE IF DIFFERENT THINGS HAPPENED.

FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THE HIGHER GROWTH SCENARIO, WE DIDN'T GET INTO THE LEVEL WHERE YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT EACH PROJECT AND WHAT IMPACT THAT COULD HAVE ON THE POPULATION, BUT RATHER LOOKING TO A PERIOD OF HIGH GROWTH IN THE LAST 20 YEARS, WHICH IS OF THAT 2020, 2001 TO 2006 TIME AND THEN BUILDING A SCENARIO BASED ON THAT TYPE OF GROWTH.

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WE TOOK THAT GROWTH AND SPUN IT OUT INTO THE FUTURE TO PRESENT THE MEDIUM GROWTH SCENARIO.

THEN FOR THE LOW GROWTH, WE LOOKED FOR A TIME IF YOU TAKE THE GROWTH OVER THE PAST TEN YEARS, IT INCLUDES SOME PERIODS OF VERY LOW GROWTH OR EVEN DECLINE AND THEN SOMETIMES WITH HIGHER RATES.

OVERALL, WE TOOK THE LAST TEN YEARS AND MOVED THAT USING OUR FORMULA INTO THE FUTURE TO COME UP WITH THE LOW GROWTH SCENARIO.

FOR EACH OF THESE TRENDS, WE STARTED BY THINKING ABOUT HOW THEY WOULD IMPACT AND THEN USED THE MATHEMATICAL MODEL AND THEN OUR PROFESSIONAL JUDGMENT TO FIND A WAY TO PRODUCE THE PROJECTIONS THAT WE FEEL IS REASONABLE. DOES THAT HELP?

>> YEAH. THANK YOU. THAT DEFINITELY ANSWERS THE QUESTION.

YEAH, NO SPECIFIC ASSUMPTIONS JUST PAST GROWTH TRENDS. THAT MAKES SENSE.

I GUESS THE QUESTION THAT I STILL HAVE IN MY HEAD IS RIGHT NOW WE'RE FACING SOME PRETTY BIG UNCERTAINTIES WITH RESPECT TO NEW INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS AND ALSO THE KNOWN CERTAINTY ABOUT THE END OF THE OPERATIONS OF THE DIAMOND MINES, ALL THREE OF THEM IN THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS.

I GUESS WE DON'T HAVE A PLACE ON THAT GRAPH WHERE THERE WAS CONTINUED NEGATIVE TRENDS.

USING A TEN YEAR PERIOD WHERE THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN A DIP ONE OR TWO YEARS, I'M WONDERING IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO JUST HOW THE IMPENDING CLOSURE OF THE DIAMOND MINES AND ALL THE TRICKLE DOWN EFFECTS OF THE SERVICES AND BUSINESSES AND PEOPLE THAT ARE SUPPORTING THAT LIKE THOSE PAST TRENDS WOULD ACCOUNT FOR THAT IMPENDING CHANGE IN THE CURVE THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO SEE.

>> I MEAN, I WILL SAY AND I DON'T KNOW, JOHN, IF YOU WANT TO JUMP IN HERE, BUT I MEAN, I WILL SAY THAT THE LOW GROWTH SCENARIO DOES RESULT IN A DECLINING POPULATION OVER TIME.

I GUESS, IF A NUMBER OF THOSE TRENDS PILE UP.

NONE OF THE OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS GO AHEAD.

THE COST OF LIVING CONTINUES TO GO UP, ALL OF THE MINES CLOSE, TOURISM GOES DOWN.

I MEAN, THERE MAY BE SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS THAT'S EVEN LOWER THAN THE LOW GROWTH SCENARIO OR THAT THE REALITIES OF THE LOW GROWTH SCENARIO HAPPEN SOONER.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE BASING IT ON THERE ARE ONLY A FEW PERIODS IN THE LAST 25 YEARS WHERE THERE HAS BEEN A DECLINE IN POPULATION OVER TIME AND IT'S QUITE ISOLATED.

IN ORDER TO USE THE SAME MODEL ON WE HAVE TO LOOK QUITE MUCH FARTHER BACK IN THE HISTORIC POPULATION TO FIND A PERIOD WHERE THERE WAS SUSTAINED DECLINE.

>> AWESOME. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

>> I MEAN, I WILL SAY POPULATION PROJECTIONS IS SO, IT'S COMPLEX AND IT'S BASED ON A FORMULA, BUT YOU'RE ALSO TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS, AND THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN.

WE TALKED QUITE A BIT IN OUR GROUP ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE AND WHETHER WE COULD SAY THAT, THAT INCREASED FLOODING OR FIRES WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE POPULATION OR MAYBE OVER TIME, IT WAS GOING TO BE SO HOT IN OTHER AREAS THAT PEOPLE WOULD START MOVING TO THE NORTHWEST TERRITORY.

THERE'S SO MANY FACTORS TO CONSIDER AND EVERYTHING WORKING TOGETHER.

>> THANK YOU, MS. MORRISON. COUNCILOR COCHRANE.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.

THE ONE THING THAT REALLY STUCK OUT TO ME WHEN WE SPOKE OF TRENDS IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW THE YOUTH OR THE POPULATION REMAINS RELATIVELY YOUTHFUL AND THE WORKING AGE POPULATION REMAINS RELATIVELY STABLE.

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CAN WE SPEAK TO HOW THAT TREND WILL AFFECT OUR OVERALL POPULATION GROWTH WITH AGING IN PLACE IN OUR LAND NEEDS ASSESSMENT?

>> MS. MORRISON.

>> THANK YOU. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IN THE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS, WE'LL SEE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT CHANGES IN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE DIFFERENT COHORTS AND CERTAINLY THOSE INCREASES IN THE AGING POPULATION, THAT HAS ALREADY STARTED IN YELLOWKNIFE AND YOU CAN SEE THAT GROWING OVER TIME.

BUT I THINK THAT OVERALL THOSE NUMBERS ARE STILL RELATIVELY SMALL COMPARED TO THE WHOLE POPULATION.

YES, CERTAINLY THINKING ABOUT SENIORS HOUSING, THINKING ABOUT HEALTH CARE NEEDS, THINKING ABOUT ACCESSIBILITY.

THOSE WILL ALL BE IMPORTANT PLANNING TO CONSIDER THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> COUNCIL MCGURK.

>> THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

REALLY APPRECIATE LOTS OF DATA.

I KNOW FOR THE MOST PART, THIS COUNCIL LOVES TO KNOW TOO MUCH, AND WE ASK TOO MANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THINGS LIKE THIS BECAUSE WE'RE NERDS.

ARE WE GOING TO RECEIVE A REPORT ON THIS OR JUST THIS PRESENTATION?

>> MS. WHITE.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

THE REPORT WAS PLACED ON OUR WEBSITE ON FRIDAY AFTERNOON, SO IT IS AVAILABLE TO ANYONE WHO IS LOOKING FOR IT AS WELL AS THE NEXT PRESENTATION AS WELL.

THERE'S TWO REPORTS UNDER COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE AND YOU'LL SEE THEM LISTED THERE. THANK YOU.

>> PARDON MY IGNORANCE. I ALSO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS LIKE FELLOW COUNCILORS ABOUT TRENDS.

BECAUSE IT IS A VERY, AS YOU MENTIONED, VERY COMPLEX ISSUE OR COMPLEX FORMULA TO ESTABLISH AND MEASURING TRENDS IS, I'M SURE, NOT VERY EASY TO DETERMINE THE FACTORS THEY INCLUDED, BUT WHEN USING HISTORICAL GROWTH FIGURES, DID YOU FACTOR IN CURRENT LABOR TRENDS? I KNOW THAT INCREASES IN TRANSPORTATION AVAILABILITY TO THE NORTH HAS MADE IT SO TEMPORARY LABOR MORE ACCESSIBLE TO EMPLOYERS.

AS IN THE PAST, PEOPLE HAD TO MOVE HERE IN ORDER TO WORK A JOB.

WE AREN'T SEEING THAT AS MUCH.

>> MS. MORRISON.

>> WE CERTAINLY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT AND ALONG WITH THE WORKING FROM HOME OR WORKING REMOTELY TRENDS, WHICH ARE IMPACTING DEMOGRAPHICS ELSEWHERE AS WELL.

BUT THOSE TYPES OF TRENDS, THERE WILL HAVE BEEN AN INCREASE IN THE POPULATION OVER THE PAST FIVE, 10 YEARS THAT REFLECTS THAT.

WHEN WE USE THAT RECENT GROWTH, OUR MODEL WILL HAVE CAPTURED THAT TREND IN USING THE NUMBERS AND GROWTH FROM THE PAST 5-10 YEARS AS PART OF OUR MODEL.

WE HAVEN'T CONSIDERED THAT THAT WOULD BE A NEW TREND, BUT RATHER THAT GROWTH WOULD CONTINUE TO REFLECT THAT TREND.

IT'S KIND OF BUILT INTO THE GROWTH WE'VE SEEN LATELY.

>> THANK YOU. I'M ALSO CURIOUS IF IN THE END, DID YOU CONSIDER CLIMATE REFUGEES IN YOUR PROJECTIONS?

>> NOT SPECIFIC.

WE DIDN'T ADD POPULATION TO OUR MODELS TO REFLECT CLIMATE REFUGEES.

BUT CERTAINLY IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT QUITE A BIT AND CONSIDERED WHETHER OVERALL, IT WOULD HAVE A POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE IMPACT IN YELLOWKNIFE.

WE DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY CONSIDER THAT WE'D BE SEEING A LOT OF IN OR OUT MIGRATION BASED ON IMPACTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE.

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>> THANKS. I THINK GLOBALLY, THERE'S STILL A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE ON ESTABLISHING DATA AROUND THAT, THOUGH.

WE DO KNOW PEOPLE ARE ALREADY MOVING.

FINAL QUESTION.

I GUESS WHEN ESTABLISHING LAND DEMAND, WHAT KIND OF HOUSING UNIT TYPES ARE YOU APPLYING? HOW DID YOU GET TO THE NUMBER OF HECTARES PER UNIT? IS IT BASED OFF OF PREVIOUS, HOW WE'VE HAD HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, OR DID YOU FACTOR IN DENSIFICATION AS THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN WORKING TOWARDS AND TRYING TO ENCOURAGE.

>> MS. MORRISON.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT. YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION IN OUR REPORT ABOUT HOW WE DID THE CALCULATIONS, BUT WE STARTED WITH THE CURRENT HOUSING SITUATION.

THE PERCENT OF SINGLE FAMILY, DUPLEX, ROW HOUSE AND MULTI-UNIT BUILDINGS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN YELLOWKNIFE, AND WE ASSUME THAT OVER TIME THAT DENSIFICATION WOULD INCREASE, AND THEN WE USE THAT TO BUILD OUT THE LAND NEEDS.

WE DID TAKE THE CURRENT SITUATION, WHICH IS, YELLOW KNIFE IS QUITE A BIT MORE DENSE THAN OTHER COMMUNITIES OF ITS SIZE, BUT WE ASSUME THAT IT WOULD EVEN GET MORE DENSER AS POLICY WOULD FOCUS ON INFILL AND THAT AFFORDABILITY AND DENSITY ARE SO CLOSELY TIED.

YES, WE DID THINK ABOUT THAT IN OUR LAND NEEDS FOR RESIDENTIAL.

>> THANK YOU. ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES? NONE. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, BUT THEY'RE MORE COMMUNITY PLAN FOCUS, I THINK, I'LL HOLD OFF ON THERE. THANK YOU, MS. MORRISON.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. JOE.

>> THROUGH YOU, MR. CHAIR, I'D NOW LIKE TO INVITE TERRILYN KUNOPASKI AND JESSICA HAM FROM TANTE CONSULTING, INC AND TALKING CIRCLE TO PRESENT OUR OUTCOME OF PHASE 1 COMMITTEE ENGAGEMENT, AND TERRILYN AND JESSICA WILL BE PRESENTING VIRTUALLY.

>> THANK YOU, MOHAMMED.

>> YEAH. GO AHEAD.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'M JUST GOING TO FIND MY SCREEN TO SHARE. WE CAN SEE IT.

>> YEAH, WE CAN SEE IT.

>> THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS, AND THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THE TIME TO JOIN TODAY.

OUR TEAM HAS BEEN WORKING WITH MOHAMMED AND OTHER COLLEAGUES AT THE CITY TO LEAD ENGAGEMENT INITIATIVES FOR THE COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE.

MY NAME IS TERRILYN, AND AS MOHAMMED MENTIONED, I'M WITH TANTE CONSULTING FIRM LEADING THIS WORK IN COLLABORATION WITH TALKING CIRCLE.

OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS, WE'VE MOVED ON TO PHASE 2 OF OUR ENGAGEMENT PROJECT, HOSTING FOCUS GROUPS SPECIFIC TO VARIOUS POLICY AREAS AND BUILDING UPON OUR FIRST PHASE OF ENGAGEMENT.

OUR FIRST PHASE WAS REALLY ABOUT INFORMING THE VISION AND THEMATICALS OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE.

SO WITH THAT, I AM GOING TO PASS THE MIC OVER TO MY COLLEAGUE, JESS TO INTRODUCE HERSELF AND TO SHARE MORE ABOUT OUR PHASE 1 ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS. OVER TO YOU JESS.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, TERRILYN. JESSICA HAM.

I AM, AS MOHAMMED HAS INTRODUCED, A CONSULTANT, INDIGENOUS PLANNER WITH TALKING CIRCLE, AND WE ARE COLLABORATING WITH TANTE AND HAVE BEEN ENGAGED BY THE CITY TO COMPLETE THE ENGAGEMENT FOR THE COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE.

WITH MY PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE LIVING AND WORKING IN BEHCHOKO FOR MANY YEARS AND VISITING YELLOWKNIFE RECENTLY FOR OUR JULY ENGAGEMENT SESSIONS, WE ARE HERE TO INFORM YOU OF HOW THOSE ENGAGEMENTS WENT IN OUR FIRST PHASE AND WHAT'S COMING UP IN THE FUTURE PHASES OF THIS WORK.

AS TERRILYN INTRODUCED, THIS WORK IS TITLED LET'S TALK YK 2050, AND INVITED RESIDENTS TO DRAW, WRITE, VERBALLY TELL US THE RESPONSES TO THESE TWO CENTRAL QUESTIONS.

WHEN WE WERE IN YELLOWKNIFE IN JULY, STARTING ON JULY 8, WE HELD A SERIES OF POP-UP EVENTS, AND WE ASKED THESE TWO QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PRESENT DAY.

I AM YELLOWKNIFE. WHAT DO YOU TREASURE MOST ABOUT ME TODAY, AS WELL AS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FUTURE VISION.

MY YELLOWKNIFE IN 2050, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE, FEEL, OR EXPERIENCE? THIS WORK WAS BOLSTERED BY A TEAM THAT WE ASSEMBLED IN THE EARLY DAYS OF OUR ENGAGEMENT HERE.

THE CAS REFERS TO A GROUP OF COMMUNITY ANIMATORS WHO APPLIED,

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AS WELL AS BEING GUIDED BY A COMMUNITY ADVISORY TABLE GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS.

WE HAD 13 APPLICANTS IN TOTAL FOR THESE TWO GROUPS THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING CONSISTENTLY OVER PHASE 1 AND NOW INTO PHASE 2 OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

I'D ALSO MENTIONED POP-UP ACTIVATIONS WITH THE VISION BOARD QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD ASKED, AND WE RECEIVED 210 UNIQUE RESPONSES ON THAT VISION BOARD.

WE'LL SHARE THE RESULTS OF THAT COMING UP.

NEXT, WE ALSO HAD AN ONLINE QUESTIONNAIRE, AND A NOTICE BOARD ON LET'S TALK YK 2050.

THIS WAS OPEN FROM JULY 7 TO AUGUST 8, AND WE RECEIVED 74 UNIQUE RESPONSES AND A REALLY RICH QUALITATIVE DATASET AS AN OUTCOME OF THAT ONLINE ENGAGEMENT.

FINALLY, TO OFFER ABILITY TO HAVE RESPONSES WRITTEN, DRAWN, HANDED IN IN HARD COPY FORMAT.

WE LEFT COMMENT CARD BOXES AT FOUR LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY THROUGHOUT THE MONTH OF JULY AND INTO AUGUST, AND WE RECEIVED 16 UNIQUE RESPONSES, WHICH REALLY INFORMED AS WELL THE SUM OF ALL OF THESE ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITIES INFORMED THE OUTCOMES OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SHARE WITH YOU NEXT.

THIS IS BOLSTERED BY A LONGER REPORT THAT WAS PROVIDED TO COUNCIL MEMBERS TO THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS ON SEPTEMBER 19.

SO I WILL JUST BRIEFLY READ OUT THE VISION STATEMENT.

THIS IS A NARRATIVE VISION THAT IS A COMPILATION OF ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVED FROM RESIDENTS THROUGHOUT ALL OF THE ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITIES IN PHASE 1.

THE NARRATIVE VISION STATEMENT FOR THIS FORTHCOMING COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE IS IN 2050, YELLOWKNIFE IS A HEALTHY, MULTICULTURAL, AND RESILIENT CITY THAT HONORS ITS UNIQUE IDENTITY WHILE EMBRACING INNOVATION AND CHANGE.

OUR COMMUNITY IS INCLUSIVE AND CARING OF THE NEEDS AND VALUES OF ALL RESIDENTS.

WE HONOR, RECOGNIZE AND RESPECT THE RIGHTS OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLES IN THIS REGION.

OUR GROWTH IS SMART AND SUSTAINABLE, THOUGHTFULLY BALANCING COMMUNITY REVITALIZATION, INTENSIFICATION, AND GROWTH WITH THE PRESERVATION OF THE CHERISHED NATURAL LANDSCAPES, PRISTINE LAKE SHORES AND HUMAN MADE ASSETS THAT TOGETHER DEFINE OUR CITY'S UNIQUE, NORTHERN CHARACTER.

A WIDE RANGE OF TRAILS CONNECTS OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND RESIDENTS TO THE OUTDOORS AND ENCOURAGES A CULTURE OF ACTIVE LIVING.

A DEEP APPRECIATION FOR OUR NATURAL ENVIRONMENT IS A SHARED PRACTICE.

A REVITALIZE SAFE AND WELCOMING DOWNTOWN SERVES AS THE HEART OF OUR COMMUNITY.

IT IS A PLACE FOR EVERYONE, BUSTLING WITH LOCAL BUSINESSES, CULTURAL ACTIVITIES, AND ANIMATED PUBLIC LIFE.

AS A LEADER IN CLIMATE RESILIENCE, OUR CITY HAS EMBRACED INNOVATIVE AND ENVIRONMENTALLY RESPONSIBLE PLANNING TO BUILD A HEALTHY AND SELF-SUFFICIENT FUTURE, WHERE CLIMATE READINESS AND A LONG-TERM COMMITMENT TO RESILIENCE GUIDES EVERY DECISION THE CITY MAKES.

A RANGE OF AFFORDABLE AND ATTAINABLE HOUSING, ACCESSIBLE RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES, AND A VIBRANT CULTURAL SCENE, ATTRACT AND RETAIN PEOPLE OF ALL AGES.

OUR CITY IS A PLACE WHERE EVERYONE BELONGS WITH A RICH TAPESTRY OF ARTISTIC, ACTIVE, AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES THAT HONOR ITS MULTICULTURAL FABRIC AND PROVIDE A HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL.

THIS SUMS UP OUR NARRATIVE VISION STATEMENT, AND I WILL PASS BACK OVER TO TERRILYN TO DESCRIBE AND INFORM YOU ABOUT THE THEMATIC GOALS AND THE OBJECTIVES THAT WE HEARD ABOUT. OVER TO YOU, TERRY.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, JESS.

AS JESS MENTIONED, THE VISION REALLY REFLECTS OUR INTERPRETATION OF WHAT THE CURRENT COMMUNITY WANTS FOR YELLOWKNIFE, ESPECIALLY AS THEY CONSIDER THE IMPACT AND INFLUENCE THE COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE CAN HAVE ON THE CITY'S FUTURE.

IN ADDITION TO THE VISION, FINDINGS FROM OUR FIRST PHASE OF ENGAGEMENT ALSO INFORMED THEMATIC GOALS FOR THE COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE, AND WE'VE ORGANIZED THEM INTO THESE THEMATIC AREAS, LIVING IN YK, NATURAL YK, WORKING IN YK, PROUDLY YK, MOVING AROUND YK, AND GROWING YK.

WE'LL DO A QUICK DIVE INTO WHAT EACH REPRESENTS.

WHEN YOU DO GET YOUR HANDS ON THAT REPORT, YOU'LL SEE IN DEPTH DESCRIPTIONS OF FINDINGS RELEVANT TO EACH THEMATIC AREA ON PAGE 27.

FOR THE SAKE OF TODAY,

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SO THINKING FIRST ABOUT LIVING IN YK, THIS THEMATIC AREA REALLY REFLECTS HOW RESIDENTS EXPERIENCE DAILY LIFE IN RELATION TO ASPECTS SUCH AS PUBLIC SPACES, HOUSING ACCESSIBILITY, SENSE OF SAFETY, AND SENSE OF BELONGING.

COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO PARTICIPATED IN OUR PHASE 1 ENGAGEMENT REALLY EMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF SPACES THAT BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER YEAR ROUND.

WE REALLY APPRECIATED THIS UNIVERSAL FEELING OF COMMUNITY.

THEY ALSO EMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF WORKING TOWARD DIGNITY AND INCLUSION FOR ALL, LOOKING TO THE CITY'S FUTURE.

WE ALSO HEARD A DEMAND FOR MIXED HOUSING OPTIONS AND AFFORDABILITY ACROSS VARIOUS INCOME LEVELS AS IT RELATES TO HOUSING.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS YOU'LL SEE REFLECTED IN THE SPECIFIC LIVING NYK THEMATIC GOALS.

FOR NATURAL YK, AS THE NAME SUGGESTS, THE THEMATIC AREA REFLECTS HOW RESIDENCY NATURE AND THE ENVIRONMENT, REALLY AS CENTRAL TO THEIR IDENTITY AS YELLOWKNIFERS, AND, OF COURSE, TO THE CITY'S IDENTITY OVERALL.

THE THEMATIC GOALS HERE REALLY REFLECT WHAT WE HEARD ABOUT A NEED TO PROTECT THOSE NATURAL ASSETS FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS IN SPITE OF GROWTH OR ALONGSIDE GROWTH, WHILE ALSO ENHANCING ACCESS AND CONNECTIVITY TO THESE NATURAL SPACES.

THERE'S A DESIRE TO SEE RESIDENTS BEING ABLE TO CONTINUE TO EMBRACE AND ENJOY THE CITY'S UNIQUE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE LAND AND THE WATER.

AGAIN, REGARDLESS OF WHAT GROWTH IS HAPPENING, THAT WAS A PRIORITY FOR COMMUNITY.

>> MOVING ON TO WORKING IN YK.

THEMATIC GOALS UNDER THIS PARTICULAR THEMATIC AREA ARE REALLY MEANT TO REFLECT AND RESPOND TO CONCERNS ABOUT ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY, WORKFORCE STABILITY, AND THE NEED TO REALLY BUILD A MORE RESILIENT COMMUNITY-ORIENTED ECONOMY.

THE THEMATIC GOALS HERE SPEAK TO PRIORITIZING AFFORDABLE QUALITY WORKFORCE HOUSING AS ESSENTIAL INFRASTRUCTURE, AFFORDABLE QUALITY SPACES, INCENTIVES, AND ENABLING ECOSYSTEMS THAT HELP LOCAL BUSINESSES STAY AND THRIVE, AND SUPPORTING TOURISM THROUGH INVESTMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE, ACCOMMODATIONS, AND EXPERIENCES THAT REFLECT THAT LOCAL IDENTITY, JUST TO NAME A FEW.

FOR PROUDLY YK, THIS REFLECTS ON HOW RESIDENTS DESCRIBE WHAT MAKES YELLOWKNIFE UNIQUE AND WHY THEY FEEL CONNECTED TO THE COMMUNITY.

A LOT OF THOSE PIECES INFORMED BY THOSE PIECES THAT THEY SAID THEY WANT TO PROTECT, LOOKING AHEAD.

THE THEMATIC GOALS HERE REFLECT HOW PRIDE AND PLACE IS REALLY ROOTED IN BOTH PEOPLE AND NATURE, EXPRESSED THROUGH COMMUNITY CLOSENESS, CULTURAL VIBRANCY, BUILT FORM, AND CHERISHED NATURAL ASSETS.

FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE THEMATIC GOALS, YOU'LL SEE CULTURAL DIVERSITY CELEBRATED THROUGH INCLUSIVE INFRASTRUCTURE, SPACES, PROGRAMMING, COMMUNITY EVENTS.

ALSO, AGAIN, MAINTAINING THE LAKES, ROCK FORMATIONS, TRAILS, AND TREE CANOPIES AS CORE TO THE CITY'S CHARACTER AND THE EVERYDAY LIFE OF RESIDENTS.

MOVING ALONG TO MOVING AROUND YK.

THIS THEMATIC AREA REFLECTS THE VISION RESIDENTS HAVE FOR SAFETY, CONNECTION, ENJOYMENT, AND GETTING AROUND IN GENERAL.

WE HEARD THAT THERE IS REALLY A STRONG PRIDE IN THE CITY'S WALKABILITY AND BIKEABILITY, AND A STRONG DESIRE TO NOT ONLY MAINTAIN, BUT ALSO EXPAND THESE ADVANTAGES AS THE COMMUNITY GROWS.

WE HEARD A DEMAND FOR ALSO IMPROVED PUBLIC TRANSIT, SAFER ROADS, MORE CONNECTED TRAIL NETWORK THAT SUPPORTS YEAR-ROUND USE, AND ALL OF THESE THINGS AGAIN, ARE REFLECTED IN THIS AREA'S THEMATIC GOALS.

LAST, BUT NOT LEAST, GROWING YK.

THIS PARTICULAR THEMATIC AREA REFLECTS COMMUNITY PERSPECTIVES ON HOW GROWTH IMPACTS QUALITY OF LIFE, LAND USE, AND, OF COURSE, THE CITY'S PREPARATIONS FOR ENVIRONMENTAL AND SOCIAL CHANGE.

THE THEMATIC GOALS HERE REALLY INCLUDE BALANCING DEVELOPMENT WITH MAINTAINING THE QUALITY OF PUBLIC, GREEN, AND BLUE SPACES, CULTURALLY INCLUSIVE AND AFFORDABILITY SENSITIVE GROWTH, AND ALSO REDUCING RISKS THROUGH EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS AND CLIMATE RESILIENT INFRASTRUCTURE, TO NAME A FEW.

ULTIMATELY, THE THEMATIC GOALS IN THIS AREA IN GROWING YK SEEK TO PROTECT YELLOWKNIFE'S ESSENCE, PRIORITIZING THOSE GREEN AND BLUE SPACES ONCE AGAIN AND BUILDING RESILIENCE FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.

I'M SURE YOU NOTICE A LOT OF INTERSECTIONS AMONGST THESE THEMATIC AREAS AND SOME REPETITIVE THEMES, PROTECTING NATURAL SPACES, BEING ONE OF THEM, COMMUNITY CARE, AFFORDABILITY, INCLUSIVE GROWTH BEING AMONG THEM.

BUT WITH THAT, WE'LL PASS IT BACK TO YOU AND OPEN TO TAKING QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU FOR PRESENTATION.

I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MY COLLEAGUES.

ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A FEW. THIS IS PHASE 1.

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CAN YOU GIVE US A UPDATE ON WHAT THAT PHASE 2 INCLUDES? YOU MENTIONED MEETINGS WITH CERTAIN GROUPS, ETC.

>> SURE, THING. PHASE 1 WAS MORE ABOUT THOSE VISION AND THEMATIC GOALS, PHASE 2 IS DIVING DEEPER INTO SPECIFIC POLICY AREAS.

SO FAR, WE'VE HOSTED ONE IN-PERSON AND ONE ONLINE FOCUS GROUP FOR LAND USE AND INTENSIFICATION, AND THE SECOND ONE ONLINE AND ONE IN-PERSON FOR HOUSING.

TOMORROW, WE HAVE A SESSION SPECIFICALLY DEDICATED TO THE CONVERSATION AROUND WORKFORCE ACCOMMODATIONS.

COMING UP IN OCTOBER, WE HAVE VIRTUAL SESSIONS FOCUSED ON ENVIRONMENT AND CLIMATE, AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND TRANSPORTATION.

THAT WILL WRAP UP PHASE 2.

WE'LL HAVE A REPORT FOR YOU COMING TO THE END OF THAT.

THEN PHASE 3, WE'LL BE ENGAGING ABOUT THE COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE ITSELF AND GETTING FEEDBACK ON THAT PARTICULAR DOCUMENT, AND THAT'S SLATED CURRENTLY TO HAPPEN IN EARLY 2026.

>> THANK YOU. IN THAT LIST OF THINGS, IS THERE GOING TO BE A SPECIFIC REACH OUT TO BUSINESS COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF FEEDBACK THAT DOESN'T GET CONSIDERED? THESE FOLKS DO A LOT OF WORK IN THIS SPACE, AND THEY UNDERSTAND HOW THEY PULLED OUT A CITY.

I WONDER IF THAT'S PART OF THE LIST.

>> WE DID A PRETTY DETAILED NETWORK MAPPING EXERCISE WITH THE CITY TEAM TO DETERMINE WHO SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THESE SESSIONS, AND WE CAST A REALLY BROAD NET.

I DO BELIEVE SOME BUSINESS COMMUNITY WAS INCLUDED, ALTHOUGH WE USED THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AS A CONDUIT TO REACH THOSE FOLKS.

THE NET WAS CAST FAR AND WIDE, AND WE'RE SEEING A GOOD REPRESENTATION FROM ACROSS THE CITY AS FAR AS ATTENDANCE.

WHEN THE FOCUS GROUPS ARE DONE, WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING AN ANALYSIS OF WHO WE HEARD FROM AND MAYBE WHOSE VOICES WERE MISSING, SO THAT WE CAN DO SOME MORE DIRECT OUTREACH TO FILL ANY GAPS IN GROUPS IF THEY EXIST.

>> THANK YOU. MISS WAYS, SOMETHING TO ADD.

>> NO, NOTHING TO ADD. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL FEQUET, ROUND 2.

>> THANKS, MR. CHAIR. I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT PHASE 2.

IT WAS A QUESTION A RESIDENT BROUGHT UP.

I GUESS THIS WAS ONE OF THE ONES THAT WOULD HAVE JUST HAPPENED IN THE LAST WEEK OR SO.

I GUESS THE CONVERSATION WAS ON HOUSING, AND THE COMMENT FROM THE RESIDENT WAS ABOUT HOW AFFORDABLE HOUSING WAS NOT ON THE TABLE AND NOT ALLOWED TO BE PART OF THESE CONVERSATIONS.

JUST HOPING YOU CAN ELABORATE ON THAT AND COMMENT ON IF THAT'S TRUE, JUST WHY THAT IS THE CASE.

>> MS. WHITE.

>> I WILL ASK MOHAMMED TO PLEASE ANSWER. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS VERY MUCH WAS ON THE TABLE OF DISCUSSION.

WHAT WE DID NOT DISCUSS WAS ABOUT SOCIAL HOUSING, WHICH IS PART OF OUR NOTE STORY JURISDICTION.

TERRY LINER JUST GETTING TO ADD.

>> I'LL JUST SAY THAT WE REALLY ENCOURAGED WHEN WE GOT INTO OUR BREAKOUT SESSIONS, PEOPLE TO PUT ON THE TABLE ANYTHING THAT THEY HAD IN MIND THAT THEY SHOWED UP TO DISCUSS AND ARE REALLY LEAVING IT UP TO THE WORK OF THE PEOPLE WRITING THE COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE TO INTERPRET WHAT'S BEEN SHARED TO WHAT IS POSSIBLE, WITHIN THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY AND AS IT RELATES TO POLICY.

CERTAINLY, WE DID OUR BEST TO ENCOURAGE AS MUCH INCLUSIVE AND BROAD DIALOGUE AS POSSIBLE.

AGAIN, WITH THAT HOPE THAT IT WILL BE INTERPRETED WITHIN THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITIES IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE.

>> AWESOME. THANKS. JUST TO CONFIRM ALL THE FEEDBACK YOU'RE GETTING WRIT LARGE, GOES INTO THE CITY AND THEN FAILS TO SIDE HOW TO INCLUDE THAT REPORT.

IS THAT CORRECT TO READ MS. WHITE?

>> YES, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

ALL OF THE INFORMATION, WHETHER THAT'S THE HANDWRITTEN COMMENTS, VERBAL COMMENTS, THEY'RE DOING A REALLY GREAT JOB OF CAPTURING ALL OF THESE PIECES.

THEY'RE PROVIDING A SUMMARY REPORT, AND AS I MENTIONED, IT'S AVAILABLE ONLINE.

WE'RE THEN GOING TO, AS THE POLICIES ARE DRAFTED, TAKE A LOOK AT IT, MAKE SURE THAT A, AS ANTLER MENTIONED EARLIER, MAKE SURE THAT THE RIGHT PEOPLE WERE MAKING COMMENTS IN THOSE RIGHT SECTIONS, TOUCHING BASE, IF NEEDED, AND THEN MOVING FORWARD TO THAT DRAFTING OF POLICY.

>> THANK YOU. JUST I HAVE HEARD SOME FEEDBACK AS WELL FOR SOME FOLKS WHO ATTENDED SESSIONS, AND I'VE SOME FEEDBACK.

THERE'S NOT A FEELING THAT IT'S TOTALLY BEING CAPTURED.

ANYTHING CAN DO TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S FULLY CAPTURED AND AS UNEDITED AS POSSIBLE, BE APPRECIATED.

YES, SOME FOLKS FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOME PRE-ASSUMPTIONS TO SOME OF THEIR SUGGESTIONS.

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ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH PRESENTATION.

APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. NEXT AGENDA.

>> SORRY, MR. CHAIR. MAY I JUST RESPOND TO THAT?

>> OH, YES, ABSOLUTELY SORRY, GO AHEAD.

>> ONCE WE'RE DONE, THE PHASE 2 ENGAGEMENT, WE'RE GOING TO BE FOLLOWING UP WITH PARTICIPANTS WITH WHAT WE HEARD AND ASKING FOR VALIDATION FROM AMONGST PARTICIPANTS.

IF ANYTHING IS NOT REFLECTED THAT THEY FEEL THEY SHARE THAT IS NOT REFLECTED, THAT WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO HELP FILL IN THOSE GAPS AGAIN.

WE'RE CERTAINLY DOING OUR BEST TO CAPTURE ALL OF THE INSIGHT AS DETAILED AS POSSIBLE.

RECORDING SESSIONS WHERE POSSIBLE, AND ARE GOING TO BE INTERPRETING THAT INTO A DETAILED REPORT, BUT PRIOR TO IT GOING TO YOU, WE WILL BE VALIDATING WITH PARTICIPANTS WHAT WE HEARD.

HOPEFULLY, THAT GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF PEACE OF MIND.

>> I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU.

[5. A presentation from Deton Cho regarding waste solutions in the north.]

>> ITEM 5, A PRESENTATION FROM DET'ON CHO REGARDING WASTE SOLUTIONS IN THE NORTH, MS. WHITE.

>> THANK YOU. I BELIEVE MR. PETER HOUWELING IS HERE TODAY TO DO A PRESENTATION ON DET'ON CHO BUSINESS AS WELL AS WASTE MANAGEMENT.

>> ARE YOU READY? [BACKGROUND]

>> GREAT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, AND COUNCILS, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TO YOU TODAY. MY NAME IS MARK LEWIS.

I'M THE PRESIDENT AND CEO FOR THE DET'ON CHO GROUP OF COMPANIES.

WITH ME TODAY, I HAVE PETER HOUWELING, WHO IS A FORMER OWNER OF KAVANAGH WASTE MANAGEMENT, AND NOW A NEW JB PARTNER WITH CHO.

JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ON DET'ON CHO AND THE CORPORATION.

PROBABLY MOST PEOPLE ARE AWARE, BUT WE ARE 100% OWNED BY THE YELLOWKNIFE DENE FIRST NATION, HEADQUARTERED IN DILO, HERE ON THE EDGE OF TOWN.

OUR OWNERSHIP IS HELD IN TRUST BY CHIEF AND COUNCIL, WHO GOVERN OUR MEMBERSHIP.

BASICALLY, EACH COMMUNITY MEMBER DOESN'T HAVE A SAY IN THINGS.

IT'S HELD IN TRUST BY CHIEF AND COUNCIL, AND THEN IT'S PASSED THROUGH TO US.

WE WERE STARTED IN 1988 WITH A $15,000 C GRANT, SO GROWING QUITE SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THOSE 35-PLUS YEARS.

JUST A SNAPSHOT OF CURRENTLY OUR WHOLLY OWNED COMPANIES.

MOST PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY AWARE AGAIN, OPERATING A WIDE RANGE OF SERVICES THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND THE TERRITORY, AND NOW ACTUALLY STARTING TO EXPAND OUT INTO OTHER AREAS OF THE COUNTRY.

WE HAVE OPERATIONS IN BOTH EDMONTON AND SASKATOON AS WELL, THROUGH OUR DENTAL LOGISTICS.

THEN WE HAVE OUR JOINT VENTURE PARTNERS.

THESE ARE TECHNICAL EXPERTS, FOR THE MOST PART, LARGER COMPANIES THAT ALLOW US TO BE ABLE TO BID ON BIGGER PACKAGES OF WORK AND PARTICIPATE IN THEM THAT GIVE US AND THE FIRST NATION IN NEW YENS COMMUNITY OPPORTUNITIES FOR TRAINING, DEVELOPMENT, EMPLOYMENT, WHETHER THAT'S ON GIANT MINE, OR AT SOME OF THE MINE SITES OR WHATNOT.

JUST A QUICK BIT ON OUR OWNERSHIP MODELS.

WE HAVE OUR EQUITY IN JOINT VENTURE, OUR EQUITY ARE 100% OWN.

THEY WERE THE ONES THAT HAD THE LOGOS UP THERE.

THOSE ARE THE ONES WE HAVE 100% CONTROL OVER.

WE EAT OR WE ABSORB ALL THE PROFIT LOSS.

THEY ARE CONSIDERED DET'ON CHO EMPLOYEES, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WORK THERE, AND THEN WE MANAGE THE ASSETS AND ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LIABILITIES.

ON OUR JOINT VENTURE PARTNERSHIPS, THERE'S NO SET ONE TEMPLATE.

FOR THE MOST PART, THERE ARE 51, 49 PARTNERSHIPS, AGAIN, DEPENDING ON WHO THE PARTNERS WITH.

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FOR THESE ONES, WHILE WE DON'T CONTROL THE DAY-TO-DAY, WE DO HAVE AN OVERALL SAY IN HOW THE PARTNERSHIP IS MANAGED.

MOST OF THE DAY-TO-DAY MANAGEMENT IS DONE THROUGH THE PARTNER, AS THEY ARE THE TECHNICAL EXPERTS.

GETTING INTO A LITTLE BIT OF THE MEAT OF THE PRESENTATION, I'LL SAY.

PART OF THIS WORK THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, AND NOT ONLY IN THIS AND PETER WILL COVER A GOOD BIT OF IT AS HE DIVES INTO HIS PORTION OF THE PRESENTATION.

BUT THERE'S A COUPLE OF AGREEMENTS IN PLACE BETWEEN THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE AND THE YELLOWKNIFE DENE FIRST NATION.

BACK IN 2019, THERE WAS AN MOU SIGNED BETWEEN THE CITY AND YELLOWKNIFE DENE FIRST NATION.

THAT COVER OFF A BROAD RANGE OF AREAS FOR MUTUAL INTEREST.

WE'VE GOT A HANDFUL OF THEM HERE.

FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, ONE OF THE BIGGER ONES IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AS WE ARE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION FOR THE ARM OF THE YELLOWKNIFE DENE FIRST NATION.

BUT AGAIN, TOUCHING ON A NUMBER OF THEM, INFRASTRUCTURE, CAPACITY BUILDING, AND THAT.

AS WE MOVE FORWARD, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE THE JOINT ECONOMIC STRATEGY, WHICH WAS SIGNED IN 2020.

THIS ONE LITTLE BIT MORE FOCUSED ON CERTAIN AREAS.

A LOT ON OUR HIGHER-LEVEL, LOCAL BUSINESS AND ENTREPRENEURSHIP SUPPORT, WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, AND TOURISM WERE THREE OF THE TOP ONES.

THOSE STRATEGIES ALIGN WITH THE TOPIC WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TODAY.

ABOUT CREATING JOINT SUPPORT AND DEVELOPMENT FOR BOTH THE CITY AND FOR DET'ON CHO AND THE YKDFN.

SAVINGS THROUGH THE CITY FOR VARIOUS THINGS, LANDFILL MANAGEMENT, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT PETER'S BEEN WORKING ON, AS WELL AS CREATING A SOURCE OF DIVERSIFICATION FOR THE CORPORATION AND REVENUE GENERATION FOR YKDFN.

THE DIVERSIFICATION IS A BIG ONE.

I WAS HERE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, TALKING ABOUT THE IMPACT OF POTENTIAL CLOSURE ON THE DIAMOND MINES AND WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN TO OUR BUSINESS AND THE OTHER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPS IN THE AREA.

THE VERSIFICATION IS A BIG ONE FOR US ABOUT LOOKING FOR WAYS TO SUPPLEMENT AS MUCH OF THAT POTENTIAL LOSS REVENUE AS WE CAN.

>> OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS, I GUESS, DET'ON CHO HAS UNDERGONE QUITE A BIT OF EXPANSION TO OUR BUSINESS.

DURING THAT TIME, WE'VE BOUGHT TWO LOCAL OPERATING BUSINESS.

WE'VE PURCHASED OUT ONE OF OUR PARTNERSHIPS BEING DET'ON CHO LOGISTICS, WHICH WAS A 51, 49 PARTNERSHIP.

IT'S NOW 100% OWNED.

AND KAVANAUGH BEING ONE OF THE FIRST PURCHASE THAT WE MADE THREE YEARS AGO.

AGAIN, WE'RE DOING THIS AS STEPS TOWARDS THAT DIVERSIFICATION.

IN ADDITION TO PURCHASING OPERATING BUSINESSES, REAL ESTATE HAS BEEN ANOTHER AREA THAT WE'VE GOTTEN COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE SPECIFICALLY INTO OUR MOST RECENT JUST OUTSIDE THE FRONT DOOR HERE WITH THE [INAUDIBLE] GALLERY BUILDINGS THAT WE ARE PURCHASING OVER TIME IN A PARTNERSHIP WITH KING SET CAPITAL.

KAVANAUGH, BEING THAT FIRST ONE, I GUESS IT WAS I WAS ONLY IN THE CEO ROLE A COUPLE OF WEEKS WHEN WE CLOSED THIS DEAL, BUT IT HAS BEEN ONE THAT WE WERE WORKING ON FOR A WHILE.

WE SEE THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE NEED FOR THIS SERVICE THAT'S GOING TO BE THERE FOR AS LONG AS YELLOWKNIFE IS AROUND.

THROUGH PETE AND THE WORK THAT HE HAD DONE WITH THE BUSINESS, THE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THAT WERE AVAILABLE WITH US, THROUGH THE CITY, THROUGH OTHER AREAS OF THE TERRITORY AND THAT.

FOR US, IT WAS A NO BRAINER TYPE OF PURCHASE.

OUR NEWEST JOINT VENTURE AND IT'S WITHIN THE LAST WEEK IS CALLED NORTHERN DIVERSION.

THAT IS A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN DET'ON CHO AND NORTHERN WAY SERVICES, WHICH IS PETE.

AGAIN, LOOKING AT THAT STRATEGIC INNOVATION AND DEVELOPMENT OF NORTHERN WHEN IT COMES TO WASTE OR OPPORTUNITIES IN THAT FIELD.

PETE HAS ALL THAT TECHNICAL KNOWLEDGE THAT HE CAN UTILIZE AND THEN WE

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I'LL HAND IT OVER TO PETE HERE NOW.

HE CAN TAKE YOU THROUGH THE MEAT OF THE PRESENTATION.

>> THANKS, MARK. ALSO, THANK YOU, COUNSELORS FOR YOUR TIME.

EVEN THOUGH I'VE MOVED IT FEELS NICE TO COME BACK TO YELLOWKNIFE AS IT FEELS LIKE HOME.

I ALWAYS FEEL MY ROOTS WILL BE HERE.

A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY JUST BEFORE WE GET INTO THE PRESENTATION, OBVIOUSLY, I'VE HAD A LONG PAST OF WASTE MANAGEMENT IN YELLOWKNIFE, INCLUDING BEING ON THE CITY TEAM FOR SEVERAL YEARS, AND SO A LOT OF VISION AND PASSION AND JUST IDEAS HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME, AND EVEN THOUGH I'VE MOVED, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ON THAT TEAM TO SEE THOSE THROUGH BECAUSE I THINK THEY OFFER A HUGE OPPORTUNITY FOR GROWTH AND INNOVATION AND CHANGE FOR YELLOWKNIFE AND MORE OF A CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT PIECE.

IT'S NOT THAT THINGS ARE BROKEN OR THAT WE NEED TO FIX THEM.

IT'S THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE EVOLUTION CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT, WE'RE PROBABLY GOING BACKWARDS.

OUR CURRENT WASTE MANAGEMENT PROCESS.

WE HAVE ON THE LEFT SIDE COMPOSTING, E-WASTE, LEVERAGE CONTAINER RECYCLING.

ALSO, LANDFILL HAS SOME GREAT INTERNAL PRACTICES, WHICH IS LIMITED INTO CERTAIN DIVERSIONS IN SPECIFIC AREAS, BUT THEY'RE LIMITED IN SCOPE.

SOME OF THE GAPS AND RISKS ARE LIMITED FORMAL DIVERSION PROCESSES.

A LOT OF DIVERSION OF PROCESS IS ON MORE OF A REACTIVE BASIS OR ON A PROJECT BASIS, AND WE WANT TO FOCUS TO TURN THAT MORE INTO A PROGRAM.

WE ALSO RELY ON SOUTHERN RECYCLING MARKETS WHICH ARE UP AND DOWN, COSTLY, AND NOT WELL, I GUESS, MATCHED WITH CITY PROCUREMENT POLICIES, AND THEY NEED CONTINUOUS, PIVOTING.

WE ALSO HAVE A LOW CAPTURE RECYCLABLES AND ORGANICS FROM GENERAL WASTE.

THE WORD LOW MEANS THAT WE DO A LOT AND IT'S NOT BAD.

IT'S JUST THERE'S MORE ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT.

WE ALSO HAVE SOME OPERATIONAL CAPACITY GAPS.

I THINK SOME OF THAT IS A RESULT OF OUR LONG WINTERS.

WE HAVE A COMPACT CONSTRUCTION SEASON.

OUR LANDFILL OPERATIONS TEAM IS DOING EVERYTHING FROM OPERATING THE LANDFILL TO THEN HAVING TO JUMP INTO PROCESSING MATERIALS, AND A LOT OF THESE AREAS ARE QUITE TECHNICAL AND USUALLY REQUIRE EXPERT IN THE AREA.

MOVING TOWARDS FINDING LONGER TERM SOLUTIONS.

WHAT WE WANT TO MOVE IS OBVIOUSLY EMPOWERING THE EXISTING COMPOST PROGRAM THAT CITY HAS DONE A GREAT JOB ON.

THERE'S GREAT WASTE DIVERSIONS THROUGH THE RESIDENTIAL WASTE.

HOWEVER, IT'S ONLY LIMITED TO THAT SECTOR AT THIS TIME.

OBVIOUSLY, YOU WANT TO EMPOWER AND EMBRACE THE GNWT PROGRAMS THROUGH E-WASTE AND BEVERAGE CONTAINERS.

I ALSO HOLD A CHAIR SEAT ON THE RAP COMMITTEE THROUGH ECC, WHICH IS A GREAT COLLABORATE BETWEEN THE CITY, YKDFN, AND THE INDUSTRY.

WASTE SEGREGATION IS WHERE WE START.

WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TODAY WILL REALLY BE THE CATALYST TO MAKE THAT EFFECTIVE.

SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'LL DO IS BIOMASS WOOD, WE WILL ACCEPT THOSE MATERIALS.

THEY CAN EITHER GO BACK INTO THE COMPOST PROGRAM, WHICH IS THE CARBON AMENDMENT THAT'S REQUIRED FOR THAT FACILITY, AND THEN WE HAVE PLANS TO CREATE ENERGY FROM THE BIOMASS.

OTHER RAY STREAMS, TIRES, CONCRETE, ASPHALT, SCRAP STEEL.

THESE ARE ALL ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO TURN INTO PROGRAMS SO THAT THEY HAVE A LONGEVITY AND A FORMAL PLAN, NOT JUST A REACTION EVERY TIME WE HAVE TOO BIG OF A STOCKPILE.

THE OTHER PART WITH LANDFILLING IS WE WANT TO OPTIMIZE OUR AIRSPACE THAT INCREASES THE LIFESPAN OF THE LANDFILL AND REDUCES COST FOR LIVING AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.

A BETTER FUTURE, ALONG WITH THE CITY AND THE GNWT, WE WANT TO PROPOSE THE NORTH SLAVE REGIONAL WASTE RESOURCE CENTER.

WE COULD ALSO JUST CALL IT A TRANSFER STATION, BUT THE RESOURCE CENTER SOUNDS A LOT NICER.

IT TRULY WILL CREATE RESOURCES.

ADDITIONAL PROGRAMS THAT WE WILL ALSO PRESENT ON TODAY, BUT IN A HIGH LEVEL TO SHOW MORE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES COULD DIVERT UP TO 90% OF WASTE.

SOME OF THE BENEFITS INCLUDE EXTENDING THE LANDFILL LIFESPAN, REDUCED EMISSIONS, LOWERED LIVING COSTS, AND SERVICE EXPANSION, SUPPORTING LONG TERM SUSTAINABILITY.

WE PROGRESS TO DATE. THE DET'ON CHO KAVANAUGH GROUP

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ALSO PART OF THE GIANT MINE PROJECT AS WELL.

IT'S BEEN USED ACROSS THE NORTH, HAY RIVER, OTHER REGIONS.

BUT CLEAN WOOD, BRUSH, CARBOARD, COMPOST, WILDFIRE, BREAK DEBRIS, CONCRETE ASPHALT, TIRES, MATTRESSES.

THESE ARE ALL MATERIALS THAT WE'VE EITHER HELPED THE CITY DEVELOP INTO DIVERSION OR PROVIDED RESOURCES.

SO RESULTING DIVERSION AND AIRSPACE OPTIMIZATION WILL PROLONG LIFESPAN OTHER LANDFILL.

OBVIOUSLY, WE WANT TO PUT AS LITTLE INTO THE LANDFILL AS POSSIBLE.

THESE ARE ALL ITEMS THAT IF WE HAVE A PROGRAM AND GOOD RESOURCES IN PLACE, THEY DON'T NEED TO GO TO THE LANDFILL AND THE LANDFILL CAN FOCUS ON BEING A LANDFILL.

CURRENTLY, DET'ON CHO IS IN THE DEVELOPMENT PHASE OF OPENING THE NORTH SLAVE REGIONAL WASTE RESOURCE CENTER, AND THIS WILL BE IN THE LANDTRAN QUARRY, WHICH IS ONE OF THE ADJACENT QUARRIES TO THE EXISTING SOLID WASTE FACILITY.

PHASE 1 THIS YEAR.

WE'VE STARTED TO ACCEPT TIRES AND MATTRESSES, AND THAT IS IN CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE CITY LANDFILL AND WITH SOME OF THE MAJOR PRODUCERS OF TIRES LOCALLY.

THEN IN PHASE 2, WE'LL START TO ACCEPT CLEAN WOOD, BRUSH, CONCRETE, ASPHALT, FROM ALL SOURCES.

TWENTY TWENTY SEVEN, PHASE 3, WE'LL ACCEPT START CARDBOARD BALING AND SHIP THOSE PRODUCTS SOUTH.

WE ESTIMATE THAT WE CAN DIVERT UP APPROXIMATELY 4,000 TONS OF MATERIAL FROM YK LANDFILL OR 25% OF ANNUAL WASTE BY WEIGHT.

MATERIALS BE PROCESSED AND RECYCLED OR RE USED LOCALLY.

THE ONLY CAVEAT TO THAT IS MATTRESSES PART OF THOSE MATERIALS WILL BE LANDFILLED.

BUT A WHOLE MATTRESS USES A TON OF AIRSPACE IS NOT COMPACTABLE, AND HARD ON THE COMPACTION EQUIPMENT.

BUT WE WILL BE DIVERTING THE STEEL FROM THE MATTRESSES.

BIOMASS HEATING IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE STARTED ON AND BEEN WORKING ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

AS PART OF THE PURCHASE OF KAVANAUGH, THIS PROPRIETARY INFORMATION WAS GAINED.

THE HORIZONTAL GRINDER THAT WAS ACTUALLY PURCHASED THROUGH A GRANT WITH ITI, SEED FUNDING WAS ABLE TO BE PASSED ON TO THE NEW OWNERSHIP.

WE'VE CAPTURED THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

CURRENTLY, THE CITY YELLOWKNIFE LANDFILL ACCEPTS APPROXIMATELY 1,000 TONS OF CLEAN WOOD WASTE ANNUALLY.

WE ARE DIVERTING SOME OF THAT WASTE RIGHT NOW THROUGH THE COMPOST PROGRAM.

WE ALSO HAVE DONE IN THE PAST SOME, MULCHING WHERE WE CREATED COLORED MULCH TO BE USED IN LANDSCAPING PROJECTS FOR THE CITY, WHICH WAS A PRETTY COOL INITIATIVE, OBVIOUSLY SMALL, BUT STILL HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

WE'VE EXPLORED PROCESSING WOOD WASTE INTO BIOMASS.

LOCAL WOOD HAS BEEN TESTED AND MEETS ACCEPTABLE LEVELS FOR CALORIFIC TESTING, CHIP PROFILING, AND ASH CONTENT, ALONG WITH MOISTURE CONTENT.

ESSENTIALLY, WE CAN CHANGE SOME OF THE LOCAL BOILERS THAT ACCEPT WOOD PELLETS CURRENTLY TO BURN OFF CHIP MATERIAL.

ONE OF THE OTHER NEAT PROJECTS IS THIS TOWN OF BATH ALREADY DOES THIS.

THEY TURN ALL THEIR WOOD WASTE.

THEY HAVE A LOT OF SIMILARITIES, WHERE IT'S THE END OF THE ROAD. THEY DON'T HAVE EXPORT.

THERE'S A LOT OF PALETTES, AND ALL THEIR PALETTE WOOD IS TURNED INTO BIOMASS HEAT AND USED IN A CENTRALIZED BOILER THAT HEATS ALL THEIR COMMUNITY LIKE BUILDINGS FOR PUBLIC WORKS AND WHATNOT AND THEIR OFFICES.

WE'RE NOT REALLY BRINGING ANYTHING NEW TO THE TABLE.

WE'RE LITERALLY JUST TAKING SOME GREAT IDEAS FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY AND PUTTING THEM INTO PRACTICE.

SOME OF THE OTHER LONG TERM OPPORTUNITIES WHERE WE MENTIONED ABOUT 90% WASTE DIVERSION COMES INTO WASTE ENERGY.

SO WE CAN EXPAND OPERATIONS BEYOND BIOMASS TO INCLUDE WASTE ENERGY, WHICH COULD ACTUALLY INCINERATE ALL OF OUR WASTE COMING FROM MSW AND ICI SECTORS.

HOWEVER, THE WASTE ENERGY SYSTEM REQUIRES A DISTRICT HEATING SYSTEM OR SOME USE OF THE ENERGY.

REALLY GREAT IF YOU WANT TO CREATE ALL THIS ENERGY, BUT IF YOU CAN'T SEND IT SOMEWHERE OR SELL IT OR HAVE A USE FOR IT, IT'S BASICALLY USELESS.

THIS MAY, I HAD THE PLEASURE OF GOING TO GREENLAND AND ICELAND.

ACTUALLY TOOK A CLIENT FROM THE SOUTH LOOKING AT DOING A SIMILAR PROJECT, AND WE TOURED NUUK, WHICH IS THE CAPITAL OF GREENLAND.

CREEPERY, IT'S THE SAME SIZE AS YELLOWKNIFE, APPROXIMATELY 20,000 PEOPLE.

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THEY'VE BEEN OPERATING THE SYSTEM FOR 30 YEARS.

AGAIN, WE ARE NOT REINVENTING THE WHEEL.

WE'RE USING OTHER BEST PRACTICES FROM OTHER PLACES.

THE OTHER PART ABOUT GREENLAND IS THEY HAVE TEMPERATURES THAT ARE SIMILAR TO OURS, SO THEY HAVE HIGH HEATING DEMANDS, AND THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR DISTRICT HEATING.

THE PLANT THAT THEY HAVE, AND OBVIOUSLY, YOU CAN SIZE IT TO WHATEVER YOU WANT IS 15,000 TONS PER YEAR, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY THE SAME AMOUNT OF TONNAGE THAT WE GET IN OUR LANDFILL, SURPRISE, GENERATING 52 GIGAWATTS OF ENERGY.

SO WE COULD SUPPLY DISTRICT HEAT IN THE WINTER AND ELECTRICITY IN THE SUMMER.

BIOMASS AND WASTE ENERGY TOGETHER.

OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S ALWAYS DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.

THE TECHNOLOGY IS FOREVER CHANGING, AND MARKETS ARE FOREVER CHANGING.

SOMETHING INTERESTING ABOUT NUUK IS THEY STILL EXPORT RECYCLED CARDBOARD.

I'M LIKE, SO YOU HAVE THIS GIANT BOILER THAT BURNS AND YOU'RE SENDING OUT A FIBER PRODUCT THAT COULD BE BURNT.

THEIR ANSWER WAS IS, WE DON'T WANT TO INCINERATE FOREVER IF THERE'S A BETTER PROCESS THAT COMES AVAILABLE, OUR NEW TECHNOLOGIES.

WE ALSO WANT TO KEEP OUR PEOPLE, EDUCATED ON RECYCLING BECAUSE WE FEEL THOSE MARKETS COULD CHANGE.

THAT WAS A REALLY NEAT MOMENT IN THEIR PRESENTATION JUST BECAUSE IT REALLY CAPTURED HOW MUCH THEY ACTUALLY CARE.

IT WASN'T JUST BURNING IT TO GET RID OF IT AND THEY DON'T CARE WHAT THE PROCESS IS.

THEY'RE STILL WATCHING THE MARKET AS A WHOLE.

OBVIOUSLY, REDUCING THE RELIANCE ON FOSSIL FUELS, REDUCING THE NEED TO IMPORT WOOD CHIPS OR PELLETS FROM OTHER PROVINCES.

BACK TO OUR [INAUDIBLE] SIDE, REDUCE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS BY DRASTICALLY REDUCING LANDFILL, AND THEN REDUCING THE NEED TO EXPAND LANDFILLS.

I THINK ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT COUNCIL WILL PROBABLY DEFINITELY HEAR HERE ON IS THE COST OF THE RECENT CELL 3 AT THE NEW LANDFILL CELL, DOUBLE THE COST OF CELL 2.

SOME PEOPLE SAY, IN 2017, THE CITY PAID FOR A STUDY AND WASTE ENERGY WASN'T REALLY HIGHLIGHTED AS FEASIBLE.

SINCE THEN, COSTS AND A BUNCH OF CHANGES HAVE HAPPENED.

I THINK WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT IS THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THESE PROGRAMS CONTINUALLY BECAUSE AS THE DIFFERENT COSTS CHANGE AND WE HAVE NEW VARIABLES, A PROGRAM COULD MAKE SENSE TODAY AND LIKE THE ADAGE OF GREENLAND, STILL EXPORTING SOME RECYCLABLES, IT COULD CHANGE BACK.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE FEEL AS A PARTNER OR INVOLVED THROUGH DET'ON CHO, WE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO WATCH THE MARKET AND ADAPT AND CHANGE AS NECESSARY.

>> FOR A BETTER FUTURE, WE WOULD CREATE CAPACITY TO ACCEPT MATERIALS FROM DETTA AND TLICHO REGION TO SUPPORT SECULAR ECONOMY EFFORTS.

THINGS LIKE TIRES AND SCRAP METAL AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WE WOULD HAVE AN ACTUAL BULKING TRANSFER STATION THAT WOULD MAKE IT QUITE ECONOMICAL.

ALSO, THE THING TO REALIZE ABOUT RECYCLABLES IS ITS DRIVEN BY VOLUME, AND A TOWN OF 20,000 PEOPLE IS A VERY TINY VOLUME, AND NEVER MIND COMMUNITIES OF 1,000.

THE MORE THAT WE CAN COLLABORATE AS A REGIONAL FACILITY IS IMPORTANT.

THEN SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD WORK IN THAT SAME APPROACH IS SUSTAINABLE WOOD HARVESTING.

LONG TERM SUPPLY FOR BIOMASS, FOREST MANAGEMENT CAN ALSO REDUCE WILDFIRE INTENSITY, AND THEN THE POTENTIAL TO EXPAND OR DUPLICATE IN OTHER REGIONS.

OUR IDEA WITH THE REGIONAL TRANSFER STATION IS TO GET IT WORKING IN THE YELLOWKNIFE REGION, AND THEN SOME OF THE OTHER REGIONS THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE WOULD BE THE SOUTH SLAVE, SO HAY RIVER ENTERPRISE AND THEN THE OTHER THIRD REGION WOULD BE THE [INAUDIBLE] REGION.

AS BEING INVOLVED IN SOME OF THE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMITTEES WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT TO THE NORTH, WE'RE NOT JUST THINKING OF THIS AS A YELLOWKNIFE SCENARIO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN USE KEY LEARNINGS FOR OTHER REGIONS AS WELL.

THE OTHER THING WITH THE SUSTAINABLE WOOD HARVESTING, IT WOULD WORK WELL TO DIVERT SOME OF OUR CURRENT BOILERS THAT ARE BRINGING IN WOOD PELLETS OUT OF PROVINCE.

SOMETHING LIKE THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT FROM THE CITY, OBVIOUSLY HAS HIGH HEAT LOAD, SOME OF THE CENTRALIZED BOILERS BEHIND THE MULTIPLEX AND FIELD HOUSE.

THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY AND WE LOOK AT CREATING NEW JOBS,

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HERE'S SOME GREAT OPPORTUNITIES WHERE WE CAN WORK AS GROUPS TO CREATE NEW JOBS AND ALSO PROTECT OUR ENVIRONMENT.

WE WILL CREATE 2-3 FULL TIME JOBS AT THE DIVERSION FACILITY.

OBVIOUSLY SEASONAL WORK OPTIONS, SUMMER IS WHEN WE WOULD DO OUR PROCESSING, AND THEN WOOD HARVESTING CAN LEAD TO A HUGE INFLUX OF JOBS AND ALSO IN DIFFERENT REGIONS.

WITH NEXT STEPS, I'LL PASS THAT OVER TO MARK AS I'M MORE OF THE TECHNICAL EXPERT, AND HE'S THE GUY THAT THINKS ABOUT THE BIG PLAN.

>> THANKS, PETE. AS WE LOOK AT OUR NEXT STEPS FOR WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT GOING FORWARD.

AS PETE MENTIONED, WE'RE ALREADY IN PHASE 1 OF THE RAMP UP OF THE WASTE TRANSFER STATION.

AS WE MOVE INTO 2026 OF GOING TO PHASE 2 AND BEING ABLE TO ACCEPT ADDITIONAL PRODUCTS THERE.

AS PETE WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE POTENTIAL FOR WOOD HARVESTING, SO HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH OTHER INDIGENOUS GROUPS IN THE AREA TO THE SOUTH AS WELL, ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR USING THEIR TRADITIONAL LANDS, AND WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN FOR THEM IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY THERE TO BE PART OF THAT.

AGAIN, CONTINUING INTO THAT, SO CONTINUED COLLABORATION WITH GNWT ON THE FOREST MANAGEMENT SIDE.

WE'VE ALREADY STARTED AND HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH POTENTIAL DEVELOPERS OF DISTRICT HEATING.

I KNOW THERE'S A GROUP LOOKING AT IT FOR DOWNTOWN YELLOWKNIFE CURRENTLY.

WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH OTHER GROUPS ON SUPPLY OF MATERIAL FOR, MAYBE NOT DISTRICT HEATING, BUT FOR HEATING SOURCES.

THEN EXPLORING FUNDING OPTIONS TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND OUR OPERATIONS.

WE SEE THIS INCREASING, POTENTIALLY LOOKING FOR INCREASED ASSETS TO BE ABLE TO SPEED UP WORK OR INCREASE THE VOLUME OF WHICH WE CAN TAKE IN.

THEN CONTINUING TO WORK THROUGH PETE AND WITH KAVANAUGH AND THE REST OF OUR TEAM ON WASTE MANAGEMENT PLAN AND SOLUTIONS FOR THE CITY AND YKDFN AND IN GENERAL.

I THINK THAT'S THE END.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH PRESENTATION.

APPRECIATING THAT WE'VE GONE PAST HOUR AND A HALF, FOLKS.

WE'LL DO QUESTIONS, AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A BREAK.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE FOLKS. COUNCIL MCGURK.

>> THANKS FOR COMING. LOVE WASTE MANAGEMENT.

ALWAYS FAVORITE TOPIC.

I HAVE JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

I'M WONDERING WHY THE IDEA WOULD BE TO SHIP CARDBOARD SOUTH AND NOT LOOK AT COMPOSTING AS AN OPTION IN PHASE 3.

>> YES. IN OUR FLOW CHART, IT SHOWED ONE CIRCLE COMING BACK TO COMPOST.

CARDBOARD ISN'T THE BEST PRODUCT FOR COMPOSTING JUST BECAUSE IT'S SOFT AND IT'S STILL CARBON, BUT WOOD CHIPS AND CARDBOARD, AND WE DON'T ACTUALLY PRODUCE ENOUGH COMPOST TO USE ALL THE CARDBOARD.

THAT'S WHY THERE'S TWO CIRCLES BACK AND FORTH.

WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY UTILIZE AS MANY RECYCLABLES LOCALLY FIRST BEFORE RELYING ON ANY OTHER MARKETS.

>> THANKS. I GUESS IT CAN BE RELATED, BUT HAVE YOU ENGAGED WITH OTHER LOCAL WASTE MANAGEMENT OR DIVERSION COMPANIES? THEY'RE SMALL ONES THAT EITHER, FOR INSTANCE, THE FISH COMPOSTING PLANT OR THE PEOPLE WHO USE RECYCLED MATERIALS IN THEIR PRODUCTS, AND OTHER SOME PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN MAKING CARDBOARD PACKAGING OUT OF REUSABLE CARDBOARD OR RECYCLED CARDBOARD.

I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOU'VE LOOKED AT COLLABORATING WITH ANY OF THOSE COMPANIES?

>> YEAH, WE DEFINITELY HAVE ACTUALLY WAS VITAL IN CONNECTING THE TOWN OF HAY RIVER TO THE FISH COMPOSTING PROGRAM.

I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH HER SINCE SHE STARTED.

THEN ON SOME OF THE SMALLER, MORE INTERESTING SIDES, WE HAVEN'T, BUT IT DEFINITELY IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ENGAGED ON AND ON ALL THE RIGHT COMMITTEES, SO WE'RE OPEN TO TALK.

>> THANK YOU, COUNSEL ARDEN-SMITH.

>> MY SAY FOR THE PRESENTATION TRULY INTERESTED IN THE BIOMASS AND ALL THIS KNOWLEDGE THAT IT'S ALREADY BEING USED, BUT YOU'RE JUST IMPLEMENTING IT HERE.

NOT QUITE SURE IF IT WAS IN THE PRESENTATION, WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE PRESENTATION IN FRONT OF ME SO I CAN FLIP THROUGH, BUT I WANTED TO SEE IF THERE WAS A TIMELINE FOR IMPLEMENTATION OF BIOMASS AND WHEN YOU PLAN ON UTILIZING ALL OF THESE.

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>> TRUTHFULLY, THAT LIES IN YOUR HANDS.

THE SUPPORT WE'RE LOOKING FOR WOULD ALLOW US TO WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE CITY TO IMPLEMENT NEW RULES FOR DIVERSION.

ALSO SOMETHING LIKE BIOMASS, IF WE CAN WORK WITH THE SWF SITE TO DIVERT OR SAY THAT WOULD BE A PRODUCT THAT IS NOT ALLOWED TO BE A RESTRICTED PRODUCT IN WASTE STREAMS THAT'S WHERE WE'LL GET OUR DIVERSION.

IF WE DON'T HAVE A PARTNERSHIP OR WE DON'T HAVE STRATEGIC COLLABORATION, OUR PROGRAM WON'T WORK, WHICH MEANS YOU DON'T HAVE DIVERSION AND OUR LANDFILLING IS EXPENSIVE AND STAYS AT A HIGH NUMBER.

>> I'LL JUST ADD TO THAT ACTUALLY TOO.

FOR THE BIOMASS STUFF SPECIFICALLY, THERE ARE BOILERS, AS PETE MENTIONED, THE CITY HAS THE NEW WATER TREATMENT PLANT A GIANT MINE HAS THEM THAT WE'RE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH, SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT BEING A SUPPLIER OF THE WASTE WOOD FOR.

FOR THIS ON A LARGER SCALE FROM THE DISTRICT BIOMASS, I THINK THAT'S STILL A WAYS AWAY.

I THINK THE GROUP THAT'S LOOKING AT IT NOW ARE LOOKING AT TRYING TO DRUM UP POTENTIAL INTEREST AND BUSINESS TO MAKE A BUSINESS CASE FOR IT, BUT THERE IS ON SMALLER SCALES, THERE IS A MARKET FOR IT RIGHT NOW.

>> DEFINITELY. YOU'RE SEEKING SUPPORT FROM US.

IS THERE ANY TERRITORIAL LEGISLATION THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH BEYOND JUST CITY SUPPORTS?

>> WE ACTUALLY PRESENTED TO THE SCHEDULE COMMITTEE THROUGH GNWT FIRST AND WHEN WE GET INTO WASTE ENERGY, THE ANSWER IS YES, WE WOULD BE INTO NEW WATERS AND DEFINITELY NEED SUPPORT, AND SO THAT'S WHY WE PRESENTED TO THEM, WHICH WE HAD VERY POSITIVE FEEDBACK, AND THAT'S MORE OF A LONG TERM GOAL WITH DISTRICT HEATING.

BUT FOR THE IMMEDIATE, VERY AWARE OF THE INDUSTRY AND THE MARKET AND WASTE MANAGEMENT, AND WE'RE DEFINITELY ALLOWED, AND THERE'S NOTHING STOPPING US.

IT'S ACTUALLY US DOING THIS WILL HELP DRIVE DEVELOPMENT OF POLICY AND PROCEDURE AND BEST PRACTICES FOR THE NORTH JUST BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING LIKE THIS, SO IT'S NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL SUPPORT THE NORTH.

>> EXCELLENT, MUSSY. I THINK THIS IS GREAT INFORMATION FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW, NOT JUST IN YELLOWKNIFE, BUT IN THE TLICHO REGIONS, IN THE YKDFN REGIONS THAT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS.

>> THANKS.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MCLENNAN.

>> THANK YOU. THANKS FOR COMING.

THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION AND FOR ALL THE WORK.

I GUESS, FIRST, JUST LIKE THE LONGER TERM QUESTION.

THE WASTE ENERGY BECAUSE IT NEEDS DISTRICT HEATING, WOULD THAT CENTRAL FACILITY NEED TO BE LOCATED NEXT TO THAT SYSTEM, ESSENTIALLY IN TOWN? HOW DOES IT WORK IN NEW?

>> YES. THE CLOSER YOU CAN BE TO THE ACTUAL HEAT REQUIREMENT OR ENERGY NEED IS BETTER BECAUSE YOU HAVE LESS LOSS.

THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE LOOKED AT NUUK.

THEIR WASTE ENERGY PLANT IS LITERALLY RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF TOWN.

THERE'S APARTMENT BUILDING RIGHT BESIDE IT.

BUT THEY HAD TECHNOLOGIES, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY CREATE A NEGATIVE AIR PRESSURE IN THEIR BUILDING AND THEY USE THAT AIR AS COMBUSTION AIR IN THEIR BOILER, WHICH THEN BURNS OFF ANY OF THE STINKY GAS OR ANY OF THE STINKY AIR.

IT WAS PRETTY WELL ZERO SMELL SCENARIO, WHICH IS QUITE COMMON.

ACROSS WELL, NOT I WOULD SAY EUROPE FOR WASTE ENERGY TO BE RIGHT IN THE CENTER OF TOWN BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE DEMAND IS.

>> VERY INTERESTING. THEN AT THE BOTTOM, ON THE LAST SLIDE, TALKED ABOUT A MASTER WASTE PLAN WITH THE CITY.

JUST IN LIGHT OF NOT TRYING TO DO PLAN AFTER PLAN AFTER PLAN, THE CITY HAS A STRATEGIC WASTE MANAGEMENT PLAN FROM 2018, WHAT SPECIFIC AND THAT HAS A BUNCH OF STUFF ON DIVERSION, ARE THERE SPECIFIC, ARE YOU TALKING MORE ABOUT PRACTICES OR WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU MEAN IN TERMS OF THAT PLAN?

>> BASICALLY, WE WOULD BE SUPPORTING AND ALIGNING WITH AN UPDATED PLAN.

IF THERE'S NEW FLOWS FOR MATERIALS TO COME TO THE REGIONAL TRANSFER STATION, THEN THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE REFLECTED IN THE PLAN.

OBVIOUSLY, GOALS COULD BE ATTAINED TO THE PLAN AND COLLABORATED.

ALSO, THE 2018 PLAN NEEDS UPDATING.

THERE'S TALKS ON UPDATING IT.

OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S WHERE I GET A LITTLE OUT OF MY WHEELHOUSE AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE LOOKING TO YOU GUYS TO SUPPORT YOU, BUT THE ESSENTIAL POINT IS TO COLLABORATE AND SUPPORT YOUR PLAN, AND ARE THERE OTHER AREAS THAT WE'RE MISSING OR OTHER WAYS WE COULD DO IT.

>> THEN JUST A QUESTION FOR ADMIN ON THE STEPS OR WHAT WOULD BE NECESSARY IN ORDER TO CREATE THE PRACTICES OR UPDATE THAT PLAN TO GET THOSE GUIDELINES OR PRACTICES PUT IN PLACE.

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>> MS. WHITE.

>> THANK YOU. BEFORE I PASS ON TO MS. NEWTON.

A FEW THINGS THAT DO NEED TO BE CONSIDERED ARE THE LEASES THAT ARE IN PLACE IN THESE LOCATIONS.

UPDATES WILL NEED TO BE TAKEN, AS WELL AS LAND USE PLANNING AND ENSURING THAT THE PROPER LAND USE DESIGNATIONS AND ZONING ARE IN PLACE, AS WELL AS THE REGULATIONS.

WE ALSO HAVE WATER LICENSE THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER.

NOT SAYING ANY OF THIS IS INSURMOUNTABLE, THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO ENSURE ARE LINED UP, BUT MS. NEWTON CAN DEFINITELY SPEAK IN MORE DETAIL TO SOME OF THOSE ITEMS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF REVIEWING THAT STRATEGIC WASTE MANAGEMENT PLAN, SO WE ARE EXPECTING THAT AN UPDATE WILL COME IN 2026, I BELIEVE, IS WHAT'S ON THE WORK PLAN.

AS TO THE OTHER THINGS THAT MS. WHITE ALSO NOTED, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE UNLESS MR. GORDON YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD.

>> SURE, I'LL SPEAK REALLY QUICKLY.

I WANT TO SAY THAT IT'S NICE TO SEE THIS CONVERSATION HAPPENING.

OFTEN WE SEE LANDFILLING AS JUST PUT THE GARBAGE IN THE HOLE, BUT IT'S A LOT MORE COMPLEX THAN THAT, AND THERE'S SOME SAFETY AND COMPLIANCE ISSUES AND LONG TERM ISSUES THAT I AS THE MANAGER OF THE LANDFILL WANT TO FOCUS ON, AND TO HAVE A PARTNER AND PARTNERS WORKING ON DIVERSION STRATEGIES, WHILE WE FOCUS ON THE MEANER POTATO OF HAVING A SAFE LANDFILL AND HAVING AN EFFICIENT LANDFILL.

DEFINITELY WILL SPEAK VOLUMES IN THE FUTURE.,.

>> AWESOME. THANKS VERY MUCH, AND THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THE WORK. VERY EXCITING STUFF.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE PILES OF FREE WOOD SITTING ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD BE TURNED INTO HEAT FOR PEOPLE'S HOUSES, THAT SEEMS LIKE GOOD VERY GOOD IDEA.

>> THANK YOU. COUNSEL FOOTE.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION, PETE MARK.

WONDERFUL LOWS SOUNDS REALLY GREAT.

I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH ON SOMETHING YOU BROUGHT UP EARLIER ABOUT, WE HAVE ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT IN DIVERSION.

WE HAVE PRETTY GOOD COMPLIANCE, BUT COULD ALWAYS BE BETTER.

WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS FOR THE SMALLER STUFF THAT ENDS UP IN THE LANDFILL, LIKE THE PLASTIC CONTAINERS AND TIN CANS AND THINGS THAT SHOULD BE RECYCLED?

>> YES, THE FOCUS FROM DIVERSION STRATEGY IS ALWAYS TO HIT THE LOW HANGING FRUIT FIRST.

WE WANT THE HIGHEST SUCCESS PER DOLLAR SPENT.

BACK TO VOLUMES, I THINK HIGHLIGHTING BIOMASS SHOWS 1,000 TONS IS A BIG DIVERSION COMPARED TO SOMETHING THAT IS SMALL.

BUT I THINK SUPPORTING THE OTHER PROGRAMS AND STEWARDSHIP AND EPR IS THE OTHER DRIVING FORCE FOR THOSE SMALLER PROGRAMS. CURRENTLY, THE IRAQ COMMITTEE THROUGH ECC HAS CHOSE THREE NEW PRODUCTS, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS TIRES, WASTE OIL, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THIRD ONE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT THAT'S THE STRUCTURE AND THAT'S WHY WE MENTIONED THE GNWT TODAY BECAUSE IT IS STILL A VERY PRACTICAL PIECE AND PACKAGING AND WHATNOT USUALLY FALLS THROUGH MORE OF A GOVERNMENT TYPE STEWARDSHIP OR EPR PROGRAM.

WE ALSO ATTEND CONFERENCES AT THE SOUTH.

WE'RE PART OF THE SWANA WE HAD SWANA CONFERENCE HERE WAS IT LAST YEAR, WHICH WAS THE FIRST TIME.

CONTINUING EDUCATION THROUGH OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND SUPPORTING SOME OF THE SMALLER OTHER PROGRAMS, AND THAT'S BASICALLY BEING PART OF THE COMMUNITY OF THAT INDUSTRY IS PARAMOUNT FOR US.

>> THANKS FOR THAT. IT LOOKS REALLY GOOD.

I LOOK TO SEE WHERE THIS GOES IN THE FUTURE. THANKS.

>> COUNCILOR COCHRANE.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR. THANKS, GENTS.

THIS WAS INCREDIBLY ENLIGHTENING.

THE NORTH SLAVE REGIONAL WASTE RESOURCE CENTER CERTAINLY SOUNDS FANCY.

GLAD YOU CHOSE IT. THE ONLY TWO QUESTIONS I PRIMARILY HAVE IS FOR ADMINISTRATION.

IS THERE ANY IMMEDIATE BUDGETARY IMPLICATIONS FOR THIS NEXT FEW PHASES?

>> MS. WHITE.

>> I DID NOT HEAR A BUDGET ASK. THANK YOU.

>> THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT PUBLIC.

FOR THE SECOND ONE, IS THERE ANY PROCESS CONSIDERATIONS OUTSIDE OF LAND USE AND LEASING WHERE WE NEED AN IMMEDIATE BY LAW TO COME BEFORE US FOR SUCH THINGS AS BIOMASS REGULATION?

>> MS. WHITE.

>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

COMING FORWARD TO COUNCIL IN VOTE JUST OVER A MONTH AND A HALF FROM NOW IS GOING TO BE THE DRAFT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.

ONE OF THE ITEMS IN THERE IS A CONVERSATION ABOUT BIOMASS.

FOLLOWING THAT, I KNOW IN THE BACKGROUND, WE ALREADY HAVE DRAFTED SOME POLICIES THAT WE'RE TWEAKING.

WE WANT TO SEE WHAT COUNCIL SAYS FIRST BEFORE WE FINALIZE SOME OF THE STUFF.

YES, A POLICY ON HOW THE CITY WILL SUPPORT

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THEN WORKING WITH THE RESULTS OF THE STUDY THAT'S GOING TO COME OUT OF WHAT PUBLIC WORKS IS MENTIONING FOR 2026.

ALL OF THESE ARE COMING TOGETHER IN A NICE DANCE.

YES, THERE ARE THINGS THAT WILL COME FORWARD.

YES, WE ARE ALREADY LINING THEM UP, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING ON THESE ITEMS TOGETHER. THANK YOU.

>> MR. HOWING, YOU HAVE SOME DATA THERE.

>> IN OUR LIST OF PRODUCTS THROUGH OUR FIRST THREE PHASES, YOU'LL NOTICE THEY'RE ALL INERT PRODUCTS, NON-LEACHABLE.

WE'RE NOT BURNING THEM TO START WITH, AND SO THAT'S WHERE FOCUSING ON THOSE EASY PRODUCTS IS WHY, AND THAT WILL ALLOW THE REST OF THE STEPS TIME TO CATCH UP AND WE COLLABORATED TOGETHER.

>> THANK YOU, PETE. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR WHITE.

YEAH, LET'S GO THROUGH THIS RUBBER STAMP WEGMAN. COUNCILLOR FEQUET.

>> THANKS, MR. CHAIR. WE DID HAVE THE PRESENTATION IN ADVANCE.

WHEN I WAS LISTENING TO IT, I'M DEFINITELY IMPRESSED WITH ALL THE IDEAS AND THE OPPORTUNITIES.

I WASN'T SURE IF IT WAS AN UPDATE OR IF THERE WAS AN ASK TO US.

I THANK YOU FOR COUNCILOR COCHRANE FOR ASKING IF THERE HAS BEEN A BUDGET ASKED TO DATE, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE NO, AND I DIDN'T SEE ONE IN THIS PRESENTATION.

DO THE CITY AND DET'ON CHO CURRENTLY HAVE ANY AGREEMENTS IN PLACE WITH RESPECT TO THE MANAGEMENT OF SOME OF ITS WASTE AT THE SOLID WASTE FACILITY?

>> LET ME ASK MS. WHITE THAT QUESTION FIRST.

>> I WILL ASK MS. NEWTON.

>> THANK YOU. I'LL PASS THAT TO MR. BOND. [LAUGHTER]

>> AS PETE MENTIONED, WE'RE BOUNDED BY ECONOMIES OF SCALE.

WE USUALLY WAIT FOR SELECTED PRODUCTS OR MATERIAL TO GET ENOUGH OF AN AMOUNT TO THEN DECIDE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

IT IS QUITE REACTIVE. WE STILL GET IT DONE.

THERE ARE COMPANIES AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN HELPFUL IN TERMS OF MANAGING THAT AND SUPPORTING US WITH THAT.

CAVANAN AND DITTO, HAVE BEEN HELPFUL IN THAT AREA, BUT IT'S NOT AS FORMALIZED AS IT PROBABLY SHOULD BE.

TO SEE MOVEMENT TOWARDS THAT AND HAVING SECURE AGREEMENTS FOR CERTAIN THINGS, WE DEFINITE HAVE AGREEMENTS WHEN THE TIME COMES, BUT IT'S ALWAYS A MATTER OF US DECIDING HOW MUCH MATERIAL AND IF WE ARE READY AND IF WE HAVE THE BUDGET TO CONTINUE.

HAVING SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE FORMAL THAT WE CAN BETTER PLAN WILL DEFINITELY BE ADVANTAGEOUS FOR BOTH PARTIES.

>> THANK YOU. MAYBE WE GO TO MARK.

HAVE YOU GUYS HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR CITY MANAGER ABOUT THE REQUIRED PROCUREMENT STEPS FOR INITIATIVE LIKE THIS?

>> WE'VE HAD SOME VERY HIGH LEVEL PROCUREMENT STRATEGY TALKS, BUT NOTHING SPECIFIC, I DON'T THINK DELVING SPECIFICALLY INTO THE WASTE MANAGEMENT SIDE.

WE'VE HAD OVERALL GENERAL ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS IN THE CITY AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT NOT SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THIS.

>> THANKS. FOR YOU'RE ASKING FOR OUR SUPPORT, I THINK EVERYTHING YOU SAID SOUNDS AWESOME AND I HOPE TO SEE SOME OF THOSE THINGS MOVE FORWARD.

I GUESS I JUST WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS, I ASSUME IS GOING TO GO THROUGH WHATEVER THE APPROPRIATE LEGAL PROCUREMENT STEPS ARE, AND HOPEFULLY, WE'LL BE PARTNERS IN THE FUTURE.

>> I THINK THE KEY IS TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE YOUR SUPPORT.

THEN WE'LL SPEND THE TIME NECESSARY TO EXPLORE THOSE STEPS.

OBVIOUSLY, WITHOUT THE MOU, THAT WOULD MAKE IT A LOT MORE DIFFICULT OR WE WOULDN'T HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING, BUT THE FACT THAT WE'VE ALREADY AGREED FOR THOSE GROUPS TO WORK TOGETHER, AND WE LITERALLY HIGHLIGHT HALF THE POINTS ON THE PAGE.

THE OTHER PART IS FROM A TRADITIONAL PROCUREMENT STRATEGY IS, WE'RE NOT ATTACKING THIS THROUGH A TRADITIONAL WAY.

WE'VE ALSO SPENT A TON OF TIME AND MONEY.

RESEARCHING AND DEVELOPING THESE RESOURCES AS A COMMITMENT TO THE CITY AND TO OUR RESIDENTS AND TO THE NATION.

THAT'S WHERE TO ASK FOR SOMETHING FORMAL LIKE AN RFP WOULDN'T REALLY MAKES SENSE IN THIS SITUATION, WHICH IS ODD, AND IT'S NOT VERY AWESOME.

IT'S MORE OF SOMETHING LIKE A PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP THAT MIGHT BE THE RIGHT AVENUE OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

THE OTHER COOL PART IS WE'RE DEVELOPING NEW TECHNOLOGY, NEW WAYS OF DOING BUSINESS IN THE NORTH.

I THINK SOME OF THE EARLIER PRESENTATIONS THAT SMILED BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE, WE CAN'T REALLY LOOK AT THE SOUTH BECAUSE THE NORTH IS DIFFERENT, AND THEN ONE THING I WROTE DOWN WAS EMBRACING INNOVATION AND CHANGE.

I WAS LIKE, THAT'S PERFECT.

WE'RE RIGHT IN LINE.

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THOSE ARE OBVIOUSLY THE DUE DILIGENCE PIECES THAT WE HAVE TO ADHERE FROM REGULATION, POLICY AND PROCEDURE AND MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT.

THAT'S WHY OUR TIMELINE IS NOT SUPER FAST BECAUSE WE WANT THIS TO BE A SUSTAINABLE PROGRAM.

IF WE LOOK AT WHAT MR. VAUGHN STATED, WE'VE HAD ALL THESE INDIVIDUAL MINI PROJECTS WHERE WE PROCESS MATERIALS AND FIND A USE FOR THEM, WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS TURN THOSE PROJECTS INTO A LONG-TERM PROGRAM THAT CAN SUSTAIN FOREVER.

>> YEAH. THANKS. I THINK YOU HIT ON WHAT I WAS ALLUDING TO.

THERE'S DEFINITELY LOTS OF DIFFERENT TOOLS THAT P3 PARTNERSHIPS BEING AN EXAMPLE, BUT THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS.

I GUESS, FOR ME, ALL OF THE STUFF YOU SAID IS SUCH A NO BRAINER THAT I ASSUME THIS IS A CONVERSATION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AT THE ADMINISTRATION LEVEL ABOUT THE APPROPRIATE PROCESS AND STEPS THAT GO FORWARD.

IT'S NOT UP TO COUNCIL OBVIOUSLY TO CHOOSE WHO DOES IT, BUT IT'S UP TO US TO SUPPORT THE STRATEGY AROUND IT.

YEAH, DEFINITELY ENCOURAGE YOU TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND FIND A PATH FORWARD.

>> IS THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR OUR PRESENTERS? NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I SENSE AGREEMENT HERE IN SUPPORT IN GENERAL AMONG COUNCIL FOR WHAT YOU FOLKS ARE DOING AND EXCITED TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS, SO. THANK VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. WE'LL TAKE A 10-MINUTE BREAK AND COME BACK FOR ITEM 6.

TO CALL OUR TBC BACK TO ORDER.

[6. A memorandum regarding whether to cancel Amnesty Days at the Solid Waste Facility or to transition to a voucher system.]

JUST FOR CLARITY OF MY COLLEAGUES, THIS CAME BACK BECAUSE WE WERE UNCLEAR WHEN IT CAME TO COUNCIL LAST TIME, IN OUR DISCUSSION AT THE END, IF YOU CAN INDICATE YOUR PREFERENCE, THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. MS. WHITE.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES. ON JULY 28TH, YOU WILL REMEMBER THERE WAS A MEMO AND A PRESENTATION DONE TO GPC ABOUT RETHINKING AMNESTY.

ADMINISTRATION TODAY IS PROVIDING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IN THE MEMO THAT IS ATTACHED TO YOUR PACKAGE WITH REGARD TO WHETHER AMNESTY DAYS SHOULD BE CANCELED OR TO TRANSITION TO A VOUCHER SYSTEM, AND THERE WAS ADDITIONAL PIECES ADDED TO THE MEMO FROM WHAT YOU SAW IN JULY.

THIS IS NOW BACK TO GPC. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. QUESTIONS, COMMENTS. COUNCILOR COCHRANE.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. CHAIR TO SAY WHAT I BASICALLY SPOKE ABOUT LAST TIME AT THE GPC.

I DO BELIEVE EVENTUALLY REMOVING AMNESTY DAYS IS INEVITABLE.

BUT USING THE VOUCHER SYSTEM AS A TRANSITIONAL PERIOD OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, I THINK IS THE BEST WAY TO GET OUR POPULACE READY FOR THAT EVENTUAL END TO OUR OVERALL PROGRAM THAT WE'VE BEEN RUNNING FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS.

I DO SUPPORT THE VOUCHER SYSTEM GOING FORWARD, AND I DO HOPE THE NEXT COUNCIL TAKES IT UPON THEM AND PUTS IT ON THE WORK PLAN TO MAKE THE FINAL DECISION TO END IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR PAYNE.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I SUPPORT THE VOUCHER SYSTEM AS WELL.

I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF JUST TAKING SOMETHING AWAY AND NOT HAVING SOMETHING TO REPLACE IT WITH.

WITH THIS, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN USED AMNESTY DAYS A COUPLE OF TIMES A YEAR.

I LIKE THE VOUCHER SYSTEM.

I THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO RELIEVE A LOT OF THE BACKLOG ON STAFF.

BUT I'M SUPPORTIVE OF IT. THANK YOU.

>> THANKS, COUNCILLOR PAYNE. COUNCILLOR FOOTE.

>> THANK YOU. YEAH. I'M ALSO IN SUPPORT OF VOUCHER SYSTEM AS MUCH AS I APPRECIATE THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE AMNESTY DAYS.

WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY WHERE WE'RE MOTIVATED BY REWARD AND JUST TAKING THINGS AWAY WITHOUT REPLACING IT WITH SOMETHING IS IN SHORT SIGHTED FOR NOW.

I'D LIKE TO GRADUALLY MOVE AWAY FROM IT.

BUT IN THE MEANTIME, I THINK THE OPTICS ARE GREAT FOR THE PUBLIC WHO ARE ALREADY UNDER THE PERCEPTION THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR TOO MUCH OUT OF THEM. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR FEQUET.

>> THANKS, MR. CHAIR. A QUESTION TO ADMIT.

JUST CONFIRMING SINCE IT IS OBVIOUSLY COME BACK, THAT IT'S STILL ADMINISTRATION'S PLAN TO HOST INDIVIDUAL EVENTS FOR PARTICULAR WASTE STREAMS THAT ARE EXTRAORDINARILY PROBLEMATIC, SUCH AS THE RECENT HAZARDOUS WASTE DAY AND OTHER TYPES OF INITIATIVES.

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>> MS. WHITE.

>> MS. NEWTON.

>> THANK YOU. I KNOW THERE WAS GREAT UPTAKE WHEN WE HAD THAT HAZARDOUS WASTE JOINT DAY.

WE ARE LOOKING AT THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING SOME OF THOSE, BUT THERE'S NO COMMITMENT AT THIS TIME.

>> YEAH. THANKS. JUST FOR CLARITY STILL OF THE SAME MIND, BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF AND PARTICULARLY ALL THE REASONS AROUND THEIR SAFETY AND THE PUBLIC SAFETY.

THIS ISN'T ABOUT MONEY, BUT IT'S ABOUT ALL THE EXTRA WORK AND BURDEN IT CREATES FOR OUR TEAM AS WELL, AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO LESS WITH MORE BECAUSE OF THE RISING COST OF LIVING.

I ALSO HAD A RESIDENT REACH OUT AND ALSO SHARE THE PERSPECTIVE THAT I HADN'T PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT OF THAT PROVIDING THE VOUCHER SYSTEM ACTUALLY IS PROVIDING A PERK TO CERTAIN MEMBERS OF OUR PUBLIC WHEN REALLY, THIS IS A SHARED FACILITY THAT WE SHOULD ALL BE PAYING FOR BECAUSE EVERYBODY PRODUCES GARBAGE.

I HADN'T THOUGHT OF THAT, BUT IT DOESN'T CHANGE MY MIND.

IT JUST SUPPORTS MY THOUGHT THAT THIS IS A DECISION THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE AND LET'S NOT DELAY IT.

LET'S MAKE THINGS EASIER FOR OUR STAFF.

LET'S REDUCE THE RISK OF ALL THE SAFETY ISSUES AND JUST GET IT DONE.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCILOR MCLENNAN.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH, I'M IN SUPPORT OF JUST CANCELING AMNESTY DAYS ALTOGETHER.

I THINK WE NEED TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO CREATE INCENTIVES FOR PEOPLE TO CREATE LESS WASTE.

THE SOONER WE DO THAT THE BETTER, BOTH FROM A COST LIVING PERSPECTIVE AND AN ENVIRONMENTAL ONE.

ALSO, JUST AS COUNCILLOR FEQUET POINTED OUT, THE INADEQUACIES OF SOME RESIDENTS BEING ABLE TO ACCESS THE VOUCHER SYSTEM, WHEREAS OTHERS CANNOT DOESN'T SEEM FAIR TO ME FROM SWITCHING FROM A SYSTEM WHERE EVERYONE CAN ACCESS IT.

I'M IN FAVOR OF CANCELING AMNESTY DAYS ALTOGETHER.

>> THANK YOU. FOR MYSELF, I'M IN FAVOR OF VOUCHER SYSTEM, TRANSITIONING, AS FOLKS HAVE SAID, EVENTUALLY TO COMPLETE REMOVAL OF THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD STEP GOING FROM A FREE FOR ALL DAY TO SOME MEASURE OF MORE CONTROL.

QUESTION FOR CLARITY, HOW MANY VOUCHERS PER HOUSEHOLD IS THE PROPOSAL? I SEE ONE AND TWO IN A COUPLE OF SPOTS IN THE MEMOS. I'M JUST CURIOUS IS IT ONE OR TWO?

>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE WOULD BE TWO VOUCHERS PER HOUSEHOLD, BUT WE ARE GOING TO CONFIRM.

>> SORRY, I'LL PASS THIS TO MR. VAUGHN.

>> THANK YOU. THE ORIGINAL MEMO DID SAY TWO.

BUT AFTER DISCUSSION, IT WAS PROPOSED TO BRING IT DOWN TO ONE.

AGAIN, THAT CAN BE CHANGED.

BUT THE REASON FOR THE TWO WAS BECAUSE WE USUALLY HAD MORE THAN ONE AMNESTY PER YEAR, SO WE WANTED TO BALANCE THAT OUT.

BUT THE MORE FREE WAYS WE TAKE, THE MORE COST IS ON TAXPAYERS.

>> FOR CLARITY, THE MEMO IS SAYING ONE VOUCHER IS THE RECOMMENDATION.

WE'RE CLEAR WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

EVERYBODY STILL HAVE THE SAME OPINION THEY GAVE BASED ON ONE VOUCHER? JUST TO BE CLEAR. ANY MORE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM FOLKS? MY COUNT THAT'S FOUR OF THE LEGACY VOUCHER SYSTEM, AND TWO FOLKS LIKE TO CANCEL OUTRIGHT.

I WOULD SAY GOING FORWARD, THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE A VOUCHER SYSTEM THAT ADMINISTRATION HAS RECOMMENDED.

IS THAT A FAIR READ, FOLKS? ANY QUESTIONS FROM THEM?

>> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO CLARIFY.

BRINGING IT TO COUNSEL IS TO REMOVE AMNESTY DAYS ENTIRELY AND REPLACE WITH A VOUCHER FOR ONE VOUCHER PER YEAR.

>> I'M SEEING NODDING HEADS.

>> YES.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THAT IS AS FOR YOUR MEMO, ONE VOUCHER. COUNCILLOR FEQUET.

>> JUST A PRECISE QUESTION.

I KNOW THAT THREE COUNCILS AREN'T WITH US RIGHT NOW, BUT IF THEY'RE PLANNING ON BEING PRESENT THIS EVENING, IS GOING TO CHANGE THE OUTCOME? HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO INFORMALLY SOLICIT? BECAUSE I WANT TO BE STUCK IN A PLACE.

>> I DON'T THINK IT WOULD CHANGE THE OUTCOME. NO, IT WON'T BE TONIGHT.

I CHAT WITH MY COLLEAGUES AND THIS IS THE WILL OF COUNCIL, I DO BELIEVE.

YOU VOTE AGAINST IT TWO AND GET THERE.

ANYTHING ELSE? SEE, NONE.

THAT IS THE END OF OUR AGENDA.

I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

COUNCILOR COCHRANE, SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR FEQUET.

THANK YOU. SEE YOU TONIGHT.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.