[1. Opening Statement] [00:00:03] OKAY. I WILL CALL OUR GOVERNANCE AND PRIORITIES COMMITTEE MEETING FOR MONDAY, APRIL 14TH, 2025 TO ORDER. WE'VE READ THE OPENING STATEMENT DURING OUR SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING. THAT WE JUST HELD. SO WE'LL MOVE TO APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA. [2. Approval of the agenda.] MR. VAN DINE, DOES ADMINISTRATION HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD TO THE AGENDA? NOTHING TO ADD, MR. CHAIR. SO NEXT, WE HAVE DISCLOSURE OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN THE GENERAL NATURE THEREOF. DOES ANY MEMBER HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST ON ANY MATTER BEFORE THE COMMITTEE TODAY? [4. A presentation from InterGroup Consultants Ltd. regarding the Water Rate Review. ] SO NEXT WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM INTERGROUP CONSULTANTS LIMITED REGARDING THE WATER RATE REVIEW. MR. VAN DINE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE PRESENTATION? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR, AND GOOD AFTERNOON, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. IT'S MY PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE TODAY'S TOPIC. WITH RESPECT TO THE INTERGROUP PRESENTATION THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO RECEIVE. A COUPLE OF POINTS OF NOTE. COUNCIL, I THINK, HAS BEEN PROVIDED AN OVERVIEW OF THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO RECEIVE. COUNCIL HAS ALSO RECEIVED A COPY OF THE MORE DETAILED REPORT AND AS COUNCIL WILL RECALL THAT THIS IS AN UPDATE TO A REPORT THAT COUNCIL HAS RECEIVED IN 2023. TODAY'S FOCUS IS TO GIVE COUNCIL THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM THE CONSULTANTS, UNDERSTAND THE METHODOLOGIES THAT THEY UNDERTOOK DIVE INTO, I GUESS THE ANALYTICS BEHIND WHAT HAS BEEN FOUND OUT DURING THE COURSE OF THIS REVIEW AND TO GIVE COUNCIL THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS. TODAY IS NOT A DECISION MAKING CONVERSATION. WHAT WE ARE HOPING TO DO AS ADMINISTRATION IS BRING FORWARD A DECISION MEMO, CONSIDERING THE IMPACTS OF THIS THIS ANALYSIS FOR CONSIDERATION EVENTUALLY IN BUDGET 2026, AND FOR US TO DO THAT WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO BRING SUCH AN ITEM FORWARD TO COUNCIL FOR BEFORE JUNE 21ST IS KIND OF OUR TARGET AREA FOR THAT DISCUSSION. WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE CONSULTANTS, UNLESS MR. GREENCORN HAS ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD. NOPE. OKAY, GOOD, AND WE'RE GOOD TO GO. THANK YOU, AND I'LL PASS IT OFF TO INTERGROUP FOR THE PRESENTATION. THANKS. HEY THANK YOU. MY NAME IS DAVID NIGHTINGALE. I AM WORKING WITH HAYITBOY MAHMUDOV FROM INTERGROUP. HAYITBOY IS OUR IS THE PROJECT LEAD AND TECHNICAL EXPERT. AS REFLECTED IN THE REPORT INTERGROUP HAS BEEN WORKING IN UTILITY REGULATIONS FOR 45 YEARS, HAS WORKED EXTENSIVELY ACROSS CANADA, AND HAS A GREAT DEAL OF EXPERIENCE. IN TERMS OF MY EXPERIENCE, I WORKED FOR THE GNWT FOR 30 YEARS AND IN ENERGY PLANNING, WORKED EXTENSIVELY IN UTILITY REGULATION DURING THAT TIME. SO MY ROLE OF THE PROJECT HAS BEEN LEADING THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PIECE SUPPORTING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE REPORT AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO I'LL ASK HAYITBOY TO PUT UP THE PRESENTATION OR TO SHARE IT. YEAH, I'M SEEING IT RIGHT, OH WAIT, I'M JUST TRYING TO SHARE MY SCREEN. WE CAN SEE IT. EXCELLENT. YEAH. THANK YOU. I'LL GO TO THE PRESENTATION MODE THEN. OKAY. OKAY. TAKE IT AWAY. SO OKAY. NEXT FIRST SLIDE. SO WHY ARE WE DOING A WATER AND SEWER RATE REVIEW? WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW, AND I'LL GO THROUGH A TIMELINE QUICKLY HERE IN A MINUTE, BUT THE CURRENT RATE STRUCTURE HAS BEEN PLACED IN PLACE SINCE THE 1990S. YOU KNOW, BEST PRACTICES WOULD STIPULATE THAT YOU'D WANT TO REVIEW YOUR RATE STRUCTURE EVERY FIVE YEARS, AND WE KNOW IT HASN'T BEEN DONE FOR AT LEAST FOR DECADES. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CURRENT RATE STRUCTURE, THERE IS CROSS-SUBSIDIZATION FROM PIPE SERVICES TO THE MORE EXPENSIVE TRUCK SERVICES. IS IS THAT DEGREE OF CROSS-SUBSIDIZATION APPROPRIATE? WHAT IS THE RATIONALE UNDERPINNING RATES? HOW ARE THEY SET? WHY ARE THEY SET BASED ON WHAT RATIONALE? AND WHAT IS THE TRUE COST OF WATER AND SEWER SERVICES? THIS IS IMPORTANT. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS MORE AT THE END, BUT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO IN MAKING INFORMED FUTURE DEVELOPMENT DECISIONS AND PLANS, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE TRUE COSTS IN FRONT OF YOU SO YOU MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. RIGHT NOW, THE CURRENT RATE STRUCTURE DOES NOT DISTINGUISH BETWEEN WATER AND SEWER SERVICES. THAT'S NOT REFLECTIVE OF BEST PRACTICES. SO INTERGROUP HAS REVIEWED THESE RATE STRUCTURES. WE LOOKED AT OTHER JURISDICTIONS, DEVELOPED A DETAILED COST OF SERVICE MODEL FOR WATER AND SEWER SERVICES, AND IDENTIFIED OPTIONS AND PRINCIPLES TO LAND ON A RATE STRUCTURE. I'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. PRINCIPLES OF RATE DESIGN WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT RATE DESIGN, YOU KNOW, UTILITY RATE DESIGN ISN'T A 100% ACCURATE ACCOUNTING SCIENCE. [00:05:06] THERE'S A BIT OF AN ART TO IT. YOU'VE GOT TO BALANCE PRINCIPLES. YOU WANT TO RECOVER THE FULL COST OF PROVIDING SERVICES YOU NEED. THAT SUSTAINABILITY RATE SHOULD REFLECT COST TO SERVE THE CUSTOMERS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE READILY IDENTIFIABLE COSTS, THEY SHOULD REFLECT THAT . RATES AND FEES, THEY SHOULD BE EASY TO UNDERSTAND. THERE'S A COMPONENT RIGHT NOW IT'S CALLED THE EQUIVALENT RESIDENTIAL UNIT FOR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, AND , AND THE RATES ARE BASED ON THAT. NO, JURISDICTION WE FOUND STILL USES THAT; IT'S QUITE OUTDATED AND IT'S REALLY BASED ON THE FLOOR SPACE. SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU CAN HAVE A LARGE BUSINESS WITH LOTS OF FLOOR SPACE BUT THEY DON'T USE ANY WATER, BUT THEY'RE STILL CHARGED VERY HIGH RATES. SO REALLY THEY NEED TO BE PAYING A SHARE OF THE FIXED COSTS AND A CONSUMPTION CHARGE. THAT PRICE SIGNAL TO CONSUMERS R EGARDING THE COST OF CONSUMPTION ADMINISTRATIVE EFFICIENCY AND SIMPLICITY OF COURSE, SEPARATE RATES FOR WATER AND SEWER, AND YOU WANT TO MINIMIZE ANY KIND OF RATE SHOCK OR UNEXPECTED CHANGES TO CUSTOMERS BILLS. ONCE YOU HAVE THAT SYSTEM IN PLACE, IT SHOULD BE FAIRLY CONSTANT AND UPDATED REGULARLY. NEXT I'LL JUST QUICKLY THIS IS JUST INFORMATION. W E HAVE BEEN WE STARTED THIS IN SPRING OF 2021. OF COURSE PUBLIC HEALTH ORDERS IN 2021 STARTED AGAIN IN 2022. THEN THERE WAS A STRIKE IN THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE AND OF COURSE, THE WILDFIRES LAST YEAR. SO WE HAVE BEEN EXPERIENCING SOME DELAYS WITH THIS PROJECT, BUT WE HAVE PUSHED THROUGH AND WE DO HAVE A FINAL REPORT NOW FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THE ANALYSIS AND I'LL GO THROUGH IT QUICKLY, AND SO WE CAN GET TO QUESTIONS, BUT WE DID A REVENUE FORECAST REQUIREMENT FORECAST TO 2027, COST OF SERVICE MODEL, DEVELOP THE REVENUE TO COST COVERAGE RATIOS, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT AND ESTIMATED THE BILL IMPACTS FROM 25 TO 27. NOW THIS IS A THIS IS A THREE YEAR INITIAL IMPLEMENTATION PERIOD, AND WHILE IT REFLECTED WE'RE ALREADY IN 2025, BUT WE'VE TALKED TO CITY STAFF AND THERE'S BEEN NO SIGNIFICANT MATERIAL CHANGES FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR. SO OUR RECOMMENDATION, WE'RE CONFIDENT THE RECOMMENDATION STILL HOLD, BUT IT WOULD BE AN INITIAL THREE YEAR IMPLEMENTATION PERIOD, AND IF YOU DECIDE TO FOLLOW THESE RECOMMENDATIONS OR ANY VARIATION AS COUNCIL MAY CHOOSE. SO WITH THAT WE'LL GO INTO THE ANALYSIS. THIS IS THE REVENUE REQUIREMENT, AND WE SPLIT IT BETWEEN WATER AND SEWER. NOW, THE REPORT DETAILS THE METHODOLOGY THAT WE USED IN TERMS OF ALLOCATING COSTS. MANY OF THE COSTS ARE READILY IDENTIFIABLE AS WATER OR SEWER. YOU KNOW, THE WATER DELIVERY CONTRACT, THE SEWER PUMP OUT CONTRACT AND SO ON BUT WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS YOU'VE GOT AN $18.5 MILLION SYSTEM THAT IS OFFSET TO A DEGREE BY NON RATE REVENUES, AND THAT'S WHERE THE CITY'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING EXTERNAL CAPITAL FUNDING TO OFFSET A BUNCH OF THESE COSTS, AND YOU'VE GOT THE INFRASTRUCTURE LEVY WHICH IS A NON RATE REVENUE. SO OUR REVENUE REQUIREMENT IS ABOUT 11 MILLION. THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DESIGNED THE MODEL TO COLLECT FROM RATES, AND THIS WAS DONE AGAIN THROUGH A LINE BY LINE REVIEW LOOKING AT THREE YEARS OF BILLING DATA ETC.. SO WHEN WE TAKE THIS THIS NUMBER AND WE LOOK AT HOW WE, WE LOOK AT THE EXISTING, YOU KNOW, THE COSTS, THE COMBINED WATER AND SEWER. SO RIGHT NOW, THIS REVENUE TO COST RATIO, HOW MUCH REVENUE COVERS THE COSTS? SO FOR PIPE SERVICES, YOU CAN SEE IN THE TOP LINE IT'S ABOUT IT'S 104%. YOU GO DOWN TO TRUCK SERVICES. THIS IS COMBINED WATER AND SEWER ABOUT 64%. SO THEY'RE PAYING THE RATES RECOVERED FROM TRUCK SERVICES ARE COVERING ABOUT 64% OF THE COST OF SERVICE. GENERALLY WE WOULD LOOK FOR A RATIO BETWEEN 90 AND 110. AGAIN, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AN EXACT SCIENCE, BUT YOU WANT A RANGE OF REASONABLENESS FOR WHICH CUSTOMERS SHOULD FALL INTO. AT 95%, THE SYSTEM ISN'T QUITE COVERING ENOUGH REVENUE TO OFFSET COSTS, BUT AGAIN, YOU CAN YOU CAN YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT OVER TIME. WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE WHERE WE'VE BROKEN IT OUT INTO INTO WATER SERVICES AND THEN YOU SEE THE PIPE, THE RESIDENTIAL. SO THEY'RE GENERALLY FALLING WITHIN THE RANGE OF REASONABLENESS MULTI RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL AT 110. SO IT'S THERE. THE WATER SERVICE IN TOTAL IS COVERING ABOUT 93% OF THE COSTS. [00:10:02] SO THAT IS AGAIN SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD ADDRESS OVER TIME. GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE AND YOU'LL SEE THE DISPARITY AGAIN IS, IS A LITTLE MORE MULTI RESIDENT FOR SEWER SERVICES. MULTI RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL ARE GETTING CLOSE TO 130%. SO THEY'RE OVERPAYING BASED ON THE COST TO SERVICE THEM, BUT AGAIN TRUCKED IS DOWN THERE AT AROUND 65%. WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, AND THIS IS AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION HERE BECAUSE WE, WE RELEASED OUR INTERIM REPORT IN 2023, AND WHEN WE DID THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS AND YOU'LL SEE SOME REAL DIFFERENCES HERE. 2026 WATER VERSUS 2027 WATER, FOR EXAMPLE. SO THE FINAL REPORT IS THE 2027 WATER. TRUCK SERVICES AT THAT TIME WERE ACTUALLY COVERING 82% OF THE COSTS, AND THAT FELL TO 63, AND THAT IS LARGELY DUE TO THERE WAS A GENERAL INCREASE IN IN A NUMBER OF COSTS, BUT IT'S LARGELY DUE TO THE WATER SERVICES CONTRACT THAT WENT UP 33% THAT YEAR. WHICH REALLY IMPACTED THE RATIO. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE, THE, THE SEWER 2026 AND 2027 SEWER. YOU'LL SEE THAT NOT AS MUCH OF A DISPARITY SO THAT 'S REMAINED CONSTANT, WHICH IS WHAT YOU KIND OF YOU WOULD EXPECT FROM UTILITY BUSINESS GENERALLY. SO WE'LL COME BACK TO THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE INTERIM AND FINAL REPORT, BECAUSE THE INTERIM REPORT WAS MADE, WAS WAS WIDELY DISTRIBUTED AND HAD DEFINITELY HAD SOME DIFFERENT RESULTS. SO WE'LL JUMP ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE, AND HERE WE'VE GOT OUR FINAL REPORT RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE INTERIM PHASED APPROACH THAT WAS THAT WAS RELEASED DURING DURING THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS. SO YOU'LL SEE SOME SIGNIFICANT REDUCTIONS FOR MULTI-RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL OVER THREE YEARS, BUT THEN YOU GO DOWN TO TRUCKED AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THE AVERAGE TRUCK BILL WHICH WHEN WE DID OUR INTERIM REPORT WAS FIVE, A 5% INCREASE IN CHARGES FOR THREE YEARS. SO THAT WOULD BE $111 PER YEAR OR A TOTAL OF $330, AND NOW IT'S 9.6%, AND AGAIN, IT'S THAT SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN THE WATER AND THE WATER DELIVERY CONTRACT THAT PUSHED THAT UP. SO IT MADE IT A CERTAINLY A MORE MATERIAL ADJUSTMENT, BUT AT $200 A YEAR, WE FEEL IS MANAGEABLE, AND SO WE CAN YOU CAN CONSIDER THAT IN THE FUTURE, AS COUNCIL DETERMINES WHAT TO DO WITH THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO THE APPROACH YOU KNOW WE'RE RECOMMENDING A PHASED APPROACH, AND WE TALKED ABOUT AN INITIAL THREE YEAR IMPLEMENTATION, AND THAT'S THE FIRST BULLET HERE. WE'LL FOCUS ON REBALANCING IMPLEMENTATION OF SEPARATE WATER AND SEWER RATES. ADDING SOME YOU KNOW FIXING THE TRUCK THE TRUCK SEWER SERVICE REMOVING REMOVING EQUIVALENT RESIDENTIAL UNIT COMPONENT FROM THE ACCESS FEE CHARGE. SO THAT'S THE FIRST STEP. IN YEAR FOUR, THE CITY SHOULD LOOK AT FURTHER SIMPLIFYING THE RATE STRUCTURE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE LEVY. HAVING HAVING MULTIPLE FIXED COSTS. ON YOUR, ON YOUR UTILITY BILL IS SOMETHING IS NOT BEST PRACTICES AND MOST PEOPLE DON'T DO IT OR MOST JURISDICTIONS DON'T DO IT, AND THEN THE FINAL FINAL YEAR, 5 OR 6 LIMIT THE THOSE COMPONENTS STRICTLY TO A DEMAND CONSUMPTION CHARGES FOR BOTH WATER AND SEWER SERVICES. YOU COVER THE FIXED COSTS. YOU HAVE A CONSUMPTION CHARGE. SENDS A GOOD PRICE SIGNAL. AS WE NOTED, WE DID REVIEW OTHER MUNICIPALITIES. NOT MANY HAVE A HYBRID SYSTEM. SO BUT WE DID LOOK AT A NUMBER AND THAT'S DETAILED IN THE REPORT. NONE OF THE UTILITIES WE REVIEWED HAD HAD ANY COMPONENT. NONE OF THE MUNICIPALITIES HAD MULTIPLE FIXED FEES IN THE RATE STRUCTURE, AND NONE OF THEM, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THEM CHARGE BOTH FIXED AND VARIABLE FEES, AND THEY DID NOT HAVE DIFFERENT CONSUMPTION RATES BY CUSTOMER CLASS. WELL, SOME UTILITIES NOTED AND THEY ARE IQALUIT, AND THERE ARE STILL SOME CROSS-SUBSIDIZATION WITHIN THEIR RATE STRUCTURE, BUT THEY ALL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS IS NOT THE IDEAL APPROACH. GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS. ADDITIONAL SEWAGE DISPOSAL CHARGES FOR TRUCK CUSTOMERS ARE MORE THAN TWO TRIPS PER WEEK, WHICH IS REASONABLE. THERE'S A POTENTIAL TO ADD A 10% SURCHARGE TO NONRESIDENTS. SO IT'S NOT MATERIAL, BUT IT WAS IN OUR TERMS OF REFERENCE. SO WE INCLUDED IT, BUT DEVELOP A NON-RESIDENT BILL SURCHARGE. SO THEY ARE COVERING THE COMMODITY WHEN PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE CITY COME AND GET WATER OR WHATNOT OR SEWER SERVICES, [00:15:07] THEY AND THEY, THEY PAY DIRECTLY TO THE SUPPLIER, BUT THEY'RE COVERING THE COST OF THE COMMODITY. THEY'RE NOT PAYING FOR INFRASTRUCTURE OR SOME INFRASTRUCTURE AND MAYBE ADMINISTRATION COSTS AND STUFF. SO YOU COULD COME UP WITH A 10% SURCHARGE, AND WE SIMPLY BASE THAT ON WE TALK CITY OF PENTICTON DOES THAT, FOR EXAMPLE. SO THERE WAS NO THERE WAS NO COST ANALYSIS TO NO COST OF SERVICE MODEL TO COME UP WITH THAT NUMBER. IMPLEMENT RECOMMENDATIONS TO ADDRESS THE OVERSTRENGTH MATTER REGULATIONS AND ESTABLISH UTILITY RESERVE ACCOUNTS. SO THESE ARE TECHNICAL ISSUES THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE REPORT. CERTAINLY NOT A FOCUS O F WHAT WE HEARD BACK FROM THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS, BUT THE ISSUES THAT WE ALSO ADDRESSED GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO IN SUMMARY WE BELIEVE THIS RATE STRUCTURE REVIEW HAS PROVIDED THE CITY WITH A DETAILED ANALYSIS OF WATER AND SEWER REVENUE REQUIREMENT, DETAILED COST OF SERVICE MODELS. THIS WILL PROVIDE THE CITY WITH USEFUL PLANNING AND ANALYSIS TOOLS AND HELP MANAGE THE SYSTEM IN THE FUTURE. AS WE NOTED, THE INTERIM REPORT REFLECTED A 5% INCREASE TO CUSTOMERS FOR THREE YEARS, AND THIS IS A 9.6% INCREASE. OPTIONS TO MITIGATE THE IMPACT ON TRUCKED SERVICES CUSTOMERS, YOU'D BE MAINTAINING A DEGREE OF CROSS-SUBSIDIZATION BY PIPE CUSTOMERS IS SOME LEVEL OF CROSS-SUBSIDIZATION IS MAINTAINED. WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU CONTINUE TO ACCOUNT FOR THE COSTS APPROPRIATELY, ASSIGN THEM TO THE RESPECTIVE WATER AND SEWER SYSTEMS AND THAT THE CROSS-SUBSIDY BE IDENTIFIED TRANSPARENT, AND THAT'LL HELP YOU WITH THOSE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT DECISIONS. HAVING THE TRUE COSTS IN FRONT OF YOU, AND I BELIEVE THAT IS IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT PRESENTATION, AND ANY QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES. I'M SURE THERE ARE. I KNOW THERE ARE. SO WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST? COUNCILLOR FEQUET, YOU'RE FIRST ON THE DOCKET THEN. THANKS, MR. CHAIR, AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. THERE WAS YOU MENTIONED THE 8.5 MILLION WAS THE TOTAL REVENUE REQUIREMENT THAT THE MODEL IS BASED ON RECEIVING ABOUT 11 MILLION OF THAT, SINCE THE DIFFERENCE IS THE NON RATE REVENUE COMING IN FROM OTHER SOURCES. CAN YOU ELABORATE ON WHY YOUR TEAM FEELS CONFIDENT THAT THE DIFFERENCE IN FUNDS WILL CONTINUE TO BE AVAILABLE TO THE CITY IN FUTURE YEARS? GO AHEAD. WE ARE WORKING WITH CITY STAFF, AND AGAIN, THIS IS A THREE YEAR OUTLOOK. SO WE BELIEVE THAT THE FUNDING IS IN PLACE, AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EXTERNAL CAPITAL FUNDING. IF THAT IS ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION. WE DID WE DID MAKE WAS ESTABLISHING UTILITY RESERVE ACCOUNTS, AND SO IF EXTERNAL CAPITAL FUNDING STARTS TO BECOME YOU KNOW, IN DOUBT OR WHATNOT, YOU CAN START PUTTING ACCOUNTING FOR IT THROUGH UTILITY RESERVE ACCOUNTS AND PUTTING THAT MONEY IN THERE AND AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE INCREASING RATES BECAUSE THEN THEN YOU'RE NOT OFFSETTING IT WITH OUTSIDE CAPITAL. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT? YEAH, JUST MAYBE A BIT MORE EXPLANATION OF THIS NON RATE REVENUES. SO THE INFRASTRUCTURE LEVY WHICH IS SHOWN UNDER ITEM SEVEN III THERE THAT IS ALREADY LIKE IN THE WITHIN THE CHARGES APPROVED BY THE CITY OF ILLINOIS. SO IT'S THERE; IT'S NOT GOING AWAY, BUT WE TRACKED IT SEPARATELY HERE BECAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF THE OF THE SYSTEM COST AS AS BEING TRACKED BY THE BY THE UTILITIES BASICALLY. SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE RECOMMENDED AS THE NEXT STEP OF YOU KNOW, INCORPORATING INTO THE PROPER RATES AND FEE STRUCTURE FOR THE SO BUT AT THE MOMENT IT IS SHOWN SEPARATELY, BUT IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WILL DISAPPEAR. SO THAT ONE WAY QUITE CERTAIN ABOUT AND THE REST IS JUST EXTERNAL FUNDING, AND WE UNDERSTOOD THAT YOU KNOW, THE CITY WHEN IT PLANS FOR CAPITAL SPENDING. IT ALSO WORKS WITH THE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT TO HELP OFFSET THOSE COSTS. SO THAT WAS THE BASIS. THANKS FOR THAT RESPONSE. THE INFRASTRUCTURE LEVY, IS IT CURRENTLY INTENDED TO GATHER REVENUE TO FUND ALL RELATED INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS LIKE FOR WATER AND SEWER? GO AHEAD, MR. NIGHTINGALE. IT IS NO, NOT ALL INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS, BECAUSE, OF COURSE, YOU'VE GOT YOUR EXTERNAL CAPITAL FUNDING AS WELL. [00:20:05] SO THE RATIONALE FOR EXACTLY HOW THE INFRASTRUCTURE LEVY LEVY IS, IS COLLECTED, I THINK IT'S JUST TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE EXTERNAL CAPITAL FUNDING AND, AND YOUR CAPITAL FUNDING NEED, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THE RATIONALE IS 100% THERE. WE KNOW THAT THE SYSTEM IS BALANCED BECAUSE YOU'RE COLLECTING 96% OF YOUR COST OF SERVICE, BUT YEAH. SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT UNLESS HYPO HAS ANYTHING TO ADD. NO, I DON'T HAVE A MUCH MORE DETAIL WITH RESPECT TO WHAT EXACTLY INFRASTRUCTURE LEVY COVERS, I THINK, BUT I THINK THE ADMINISTRATION PROBABLY WILL HAVE MORE DETAIL ON THAT, BUT WE KNOW THAT IT IS PART OF THE CHARGES TO THE USERS AT THE MOMENT. SO IT IS PART OF THE STRUCTURE WHICH RECOVERS THE REVENUES. WELL, THEY TEED YOU UP. ADMINISTRATION. MR. VAN DINE. DO YOU WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT? SURE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. SO I BELIEVE WHAT THE CONSULTANTS HAVE DESCRIBED IS ALL OF THE INPUTS THAT HAVE COME IN SO FAR, AND WE ARE. WE HAVE NO INDICATION FROM THE GOVERNMENT OF THE NORTHWEST TERRITORIES MUNICIPAL COMMUNITY AFFAIRS THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO SORT OF THE CAPITAL FUNDING THAT WE RECEIVE. WE WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK TO DEVELOP A CHARGE RELATED TO THE COSTS FROM OUR OWN STANDPOINT, BECAUSE THE MONEYS THAT WE RECEIVE FROM THE GOVERNMENT OF THE NORTHWEST TERRITORIES ARE NOT SUFFICIENT FOR A 1 TO 1 KIND OF COST ASPECT. SO IN TERMS OF THE RELATIVE RATE AND CALCULATION ON THAT, THAT CAN BE ADJUSTABLE, BUT WE SEE THAT LEVY OR CONTINUING GOING FORWARD, AND THAT WOULD BE IN THE MATERIAL THAT WE WOULD BRING TO COUNCIL LATER IN JUNE. OKAY. THANKS. THAT WAS REALLY HELPFUL. YEAH. JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY SAYING HERE. THE INFRASTRUCTURE LEVY DOES THAT GET THEN IF IT'S MAKING UP THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CAPITAL FUNDING THAT WE GET FROM THE CITY EACH YEAR AND OUR RATES, DOES THAT GET ADJUSTED EVERY YEAR THEN DEPENDING ON OR IS IT PRETTY? PRETTY STATIC PASS TO YOU, MR. VAN DINE, FIRST, BUT FEEL FREE TO PASS IT ALONG. SURE I CAN. SO I THINK ONE OF THE POINTS THAT WE'D LIKE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER IS THAT THIS PACKAGE OF THINGS AROUND WATER AND SEWER WE HAVE NOT LOOKED AT ON A REGULAR BASIS IN TERMS OF ADJUSTMENTS, AND I THINK WE'D LIKE TO GET INTO THE PRACTICE OF DOING THAT, AND I THINK THE CONSULTANTS HAVE GIVEN US SOME GOOD INSIGHTS OF WHAT OTHER JURISDICTIONS ARE DOING AND COMPARABLE MUNICIPALITIES. SO WE'RE KIND OF, I GUESS INTRODUCING THE CONCEPT OF A MORE PERIODIC REVIEW, BUT THIS IS WHERE WE ARE. SO THEREFORE THE RATES HAVE NOT BEEN ADJUSTED TERRIBLY MUCH IN THE LAST LITTLE BIT, AND WE WOULD INTRODUCE THE IDEA OF PERIODIC UPDATES TO DO THAT MOVING FORWARD. I DON'T KNOW IF MR. PANDOO OR MR. GREENCORN HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD. I CAN JUMP IN THERE AND ADD A LITTLE BIT OF FURTHER DETAIL. IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE WATER AND SEWER FUND WORKS OVERALL AND ITS REVENUE STREAMS. SO THERE'S MULTIPLE COMPONENTS TO IT. THERE'S WHAT YOU WOULD CALL A FIXED COST, AND THEN WHAT YOU WOULD CALL A, I GUESS A CONSUMPTION COST OR A PER METER COST BASED ON USE, AND WHAT, MR. KNIGHT, WHAT MR. NIGHTINGALE REFERRED TO IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE LEVY IS AN ADDITIONAL NON RATE REVENUE, BUT IT'S STILL ESSENTIALLY A FIXED COST THAT'S USED TO MAKE UP THAT DIFFERENCE, AND WE NEED THAT TO BALANCE THE OVERALL WATER AND SEWER FUND. THE OTHER THING THAT HAPPENS IS THERE'S TRANSFERS OUT OF THE WATER AND SEWER FUND TO THE GENERAL FUND TO ACCOMMODATE FOR CERTAIN SALARIES. SO A REASONABLE PART OF MY SALARY IS PAID BY THE WATER AND SEWER FUND AND THE WATER AND SEWER RATES, BECAUSE OF THE PORTION OF THE WORK THAT I DO AROUND WATER AND SEWER. SO THERE'S THAT, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE TRANSFER TO CAPITAL. SO ALL OF THESE THINGS COMBINED IS HOW THE WATER AND SEWER FUND OPERATES OVERALL, AND THESE ARE THE INPUTS TO THE INPUT, THE REVENUE REQUIREMENT TO OPERATE THE OVERALL FUND. COUNCILLOR FEQUET. THANKS. YEAH, THAT WAS HELPFUL BACKGROUND. YEAH. SO I GUESS JUST MY MY QUESTION, WHICH I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT SO I UNDERSTAND THE REPORT IS SUGGESTING LATER IN THE IMPLEMENTATION THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE LEVY BE REMOVED. THAT'S CORRECT? IT'S NOT. SORRY, JUMPING IN HERE. GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. YOU'RE GOOD. YEAH. NOT TO REMOVE, BUT TO INCORPORATE INTO THE RATE STRUCTURE. [00:25:06] BECAUSE LIKE, THE REASON THAT IT'S, IT'S GOING LIKE THAT IS THAT THE CURRENT RATE STRUCTURE OF THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE WATER AND SEWER SERVICE IS, IS QUITE COMPLEX, AS MENTIONED IN THE REPORT. SO THERE IS THERE ARE MANY TYPES, BASICALLY OF SEVERAL TYPES OF FIXED CHARGES CURRENTLY INCLUDED IN THE RATE STRUCTURE. SO YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE ACCESS FEES AND THEN YOU HAVE A VARIABLE CHARGES FOR SOME CONSUMERS. PLUS THERE IS THIS INFRASTRUCTURE LEVY. SO DOING ALL OF THESE CHANGES ALL IN ONCE YOU KNOW, TO MOVE TO WHAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES HAVE, WHERE IT'S MAINLY ONE FIXED CHARGE AND ONE VARIABLE CHARGE BASICALLY PER CUSTOMER TYPE, DOING THAT ALL IN ONE SHOT WOULD BE TOO MUCH OF A CHANGE TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE, YOU KNOW, FROM THE BILLING PACK PERSPECTIVE AS WELL. SO THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, IN THIS PHASE, WE RECOMMENDED, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST THREE YEARS TO BE FOCUSED ON SEPARATING CHARGES FOR WATER AND SEWER, WHICH DOES NOT EXIST. RIGHT, AND THEN SIMPLIFYING IT TO REMOVE THE ERU COMPONENT TO BE ABLE, YOU KNOW, AFTER THREE YEARS, THEN TO LOOK INTO. OKAY. SO HOW WE CAN INCORPORATE NOW INFRASTRUCTURE LEVY AS WELL AS A NEXT STEP SO THAT THEY'RE ALL PART OF THE USER FEES IN THE FUTURE. THANKS FOR THAT. COUNCILLOR FEQUET. THANKS. YEAH, WHAT I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IN MY OWN MIND IS, DOES INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT ON WATER AND SEWER IN THE FUTURE AFFECT RATES? BECAUSE THE INFRASTRUCTURE LEVY WILL BE GONE AND THE RATES WILL BE SET, BUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE LEVY WAS USED TO MAKE UP A DIFFERENCE. SO IF THAT DIFFERENCE IS CHANGING EACH YEAR, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO BE CHANGING OUR RATES ALL THE TIME? RIGHT, AND DOES THE DO THE RATES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED OVER THIS THREE YEAR IMPLEMENTATION? SEEK TO ALSO INCORPORATE THE AMOUNT THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE LEVY IS, IS COLLECTING SO THAT WE'RE NOT DOING THIS AGAIN IN 3 OR 4 YEARS. MR. VAN DINE. SO YES AND NO. SO IN THE CALCULATION OR AT LEAST THE CONSULTANTS HAVE RECOMMENDED A THREE YEAR TIME FRAME, AND IT WILL BE FOR COUNCIL AND ADMINISTRATION TO OPINE WHETHER OR NOT THREE YEARS IS AN APPROPRIATE TIME FRAME WITH WHICH TO IMPLEMENT A CHANGE OF THIS NATURE. SO THAT IS STILL AN OPEN QUESTION. THIS IS THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CONSULTANTS. NUMBER TWO, AS MR. GREENCORN HAD INDICATED, I THINK WE'D BE LOOKING TO RULE IN THAT COMPONENT OF THE, OF THE LEVY INTO THE MAIN, THE NEW STRUCTURE, AND SO THEREFORE TO MEET ONE OF THE STANDARDS OF PRACTICE THAT WE FIND OURSELVES FINDING ACROSS CANADA, SIMPLIFYING THE OVERALL STRUCTURE AND THAT LEVY. THE NO PART THAT I WOULD GET TO IS THAT WE ARE, I THINK, HEADING ON A PATH WHERE A PERIODIC REVIEW WOULD BE ADVISABLE AND THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE INTRODUCING. SO I WOULD CAUTION TO SAY THAT ONCE WE'VE DONE THIS, WE DON'T NEED TO DO IT FOR ANOTHER 30 YEARS. I THINK THAT'S THAT WAS NOT A GOOD PRACTICE IN THE PAST, AND SO WE WOULD BE THAT INTERVAL I GUESS IS TO BE DETERMINED, BUT THE ANSWER WOULD BE WE WOULD LIKELY NEED TO ADJUST IN IN FUTURE AT SOME POINT. THANKS VERY MUCH FOR THAT. ALL GOOD. SO NEXT UP, COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR, AND THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION. A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE CONSULTANTS AND THEN A COUPLE FOR STAFF. SORRY. FIRST TO SORT OF DRILL DOWN INTO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL TRUCKED CUSTOMERS AND COMMERCIAL TRUCKED CUSTOMERS. IN THE INTERIM REPORT, SORT OF THE DIFFERENCE OR THE INCREASE IN BILL WAS ALL SORT OF AROUND 5%, AND IT WAS GENERALLY CLOSE BETWEEN COMMERCIAL USERS AND RESIDENTIAL USERS, BUT IN THE FINAL REPORT, THAT HAS CHANGED TO ABOUT LIKE 9% FOR RESIDENTIAL USERS AND FIVE ISH FOR COMMERCIAL. DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE DETAILED DATA ON THE REVENUE TO COST COVERAGE RATIO FOR THOSE TWO USER GROUPS, TRUCKED RESIDENTIAL AND TRUCK COMMERCIAL? MR. NIGHTINGALE. I'LL TURN TO BOYD TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION. YEAH. SO THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. SO FOR THE TRUCK SERVICES, WHAT WE HAVE IN THE COST SERVICE. SO WE NEEDED THE CONSUMPTION INFORMATION, AND ALSO THE COST BASIS TO ALLOCATE THE COSTS, RIGHT? SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE TRUCK SERVICES IN TERMS OF THE COST BASIS TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL USE AND CUSTOMER USE, THE, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS NO BASIS FOR US TO BUILD THE COST SERVICE DIFFERENTLY FOR THOSE TWO RATE CLASSES BECAUSE THEY ARE ON A TRUCKED SERVICE. [00:30:02] BASICALLY IT'S COST PLUS DELIVERY TO THOSE CLASSES. SO WE DO NOT HAVE THE COST OF SERVICE STUDY, WHICH SETS EACH RUNS THE COST SERVICE ALLOCATION SEPARATELY BETWEEN TRACKED RESIDENTIAL AND TRACKED COMMERCIAL. SO WE HAVE JUST ONE COMBINED ON THAT BASIS, AND I WOULD JUST ADD THAT THEY'RE TREATED AS ONE AS ONE CUSTOMER CLASS IN OUR REPORT BECAUSE THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY RECEIVING THE SAME SERVICE. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PERCENTAGES FROM THE INTERIM REPORT TO THE FINAL REPORT, LARGE USERS. SO WOULD HAVE A LESS OF AN IMPACT FROM THE CHANGE FROM THAT COST CHANGE THAT WE EXPERIENCED FROM THE WATER, PRIMARILY THE WATER DELIVERY CONTRACT. COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN. OKAY. MAKES SENSE, AND THAT'S SORT OF THAT CHANGE IN THE BILLING RATE. THAT'S EVEN WITH A MORE OF AN EMPHASIS ON A PRICE SIGNAL THROUGH CONSUMPTION. I JUST SORT OF ANECDOTALLY THINK THAT THEN THE, THE LARGER PERCENTAGE BILL INCREASE WOULD BE ON THE LARGER USERS, JUST TO SORT OF EXPLANATION AS TO WHY THAT ISN'T THE CASE. MR. NIGHTINGALE, AND I THINK THE LARGER USERS WOULD HAVE HAD A PERCENTAGE LOWER IMPACT, BUT DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD THERE? YEAH. SO THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE LITTLE USAGE. RIGHT. YOUR FIXED CHARGE, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY BE SMALL COMPARED TO, TO OTHER CONSUMPTION OF YOURS, WILL MAKE A BIGGER PORTION OF YOUR BILL. SO IF, YOU KNOW, A VERY LITTLE CONSUMER. SO LIKE THE AVERAGE BILL THAT WE HAVE THERE, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, SHOWS THAT THE MONTHLY CONSUMPTION IS ABOUT EIGHT CUBIC METERS. SO WHEN YOU HAVE THAT MUCH OF A CONSUMPTION VERSUS WHEN THERE IS, YOU KNOW, 130M³, WHICH IS YOUR HIGH CONSUMPTION, WHICH IS SHOWING A LOWER BILL IMPACT, RIGHT. GIVEN THAT YOUR VARIABLE COMPONENT, WHICH IS YOUR PRICE SIGNAL, MAKES UP ONLY A VERY SMALL PORTION OF YOUR BILL, YOU WILL END UP SHOWING IT AS A BIGGER BILL IMPACT, BUT HIGH CONSUMPTION, YES, THEY ARE GETTING A GOOD SIGNAL BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL SHOWING UP AT 5.9% INCREASE. SO THEY ARE INCREASING IN TERMS OF ABSOLUTE DOLLARS WILL BE MUCH LARGER THAN THE AVERAGE ONES, BUT SIMPLY BECAUSE NOW MOST OF THE SIGNALING MOVED TO THE CONSUMPTION PORTION. SO VALUABLE PORTION, RIGHT? YOUR FIXED COMPONENT IS A SMALLER PORTION OF YOUR BILL. SO THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RELATIVE CHANGES IN PERCENTAGES, IT WILL SHOW UP AS A SMALLER CHANGE FOR HIGH CONSUMPTION BUT BECAUSE OF THAT SCALE, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF ABSOLUTE DOLLARS, THEY WILL GET A MUCH LARGER IMPACT. COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN. UNDERSTOOD, THANK YOU. YEAH, UNDERSTOOD. THANKS FOR YEAH, WALKING ME THROUGH THAT, AND THEN ONE MORE QUESTION FOR THE CONSULTANTS. WAS A SUBSIDY FOR ANY PARTICULAR CLASS OF BULK USER. EVER CONSIDERED? AND WHAT DO YOU THINK THE DIFFICULTY WOULD BE OF SETTING UP A SPECIFIC SUBSIDY FOR A SPECIFIC BULK OR TRUCKED USER? JUST TRYING TO GET AT IF COUNCIL WANTED TO SUBSIDIZE LIKE AGRICULTURAL USE OR SOME OTHER SPECIFIC USE OF TRUCKED WATER . MR. NIGHTINGALE YEAH. NO, WE DEFINITELY DIDN'T CONSIDER A SUBSIDY FOR THE BULK WATER CUSTOMERS, AND REALLY, YOU KNOW, SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE BULK WATER SALES ARE RELATIVELY MINOR, BUT 114,000 A YEAR IN YOU KNOW, WITH A TOTAL REVENUE REQUIREMENT OF 11 MILLION. SO WE DIDN'T REALLY DIDN'T FOCUS MUCH ON THEM. NOW, COULD YOU HAVE A SUBSIDY? YOU COULD HAVE AN IMPLEMENT, A SUBSIDY. IF COUNCIL SO CHOSE IT COULD BE CONSIDERED, BUT , YOU KNOW, I GO BACK TO OUR FINAL SLIDE THAT STILL ACCOUNT FOR IT AND IDENTIFY IT, BUT YOU YOU COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT. COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, AND THEN JUST A FEW QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. JUST AN UPDATE ON THE OLD TOWN. SUMMER WATER LINES. IS THAT PLAYING IN ANYWHERE HERE? CURRENT STATUS, FUTURE STATUS? MR. VAN DINE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. SO THE CALCULATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED HERE DO NOT CONTEMPLATE ANY ADJUSTMENT OR CHANGE WITH RESPECT TO THE SURFACE LINE TREATMENT IN FOR THE SUMMER MONTHS. THIS IS LOOKING BACK AT OUR HISTORICAL AND OUR CURRENT AND DOES NOT FACTOR IN ANY KIND OF ADJUSTMENT. GOING FORWARD. THANKS FOR THAT. COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN. THANK YOU, AND THE ANY INCREASE OR CHANGES TO TRUCKED WATER RATES. [00:35:01] THOSE ARE PASSED ON TO RESIDENTS DIRECTLY. IS THAT CORRECT, MR. VAN DINE? I'M GOING TO TURN TO MR. GREENCORN JUST FOR SOME PRECISION ON THAT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. VIA UTILITY BILL, YES. COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN, THANK YOU, AND JUST SORT OF A QUESTION IN TERMS OF LONG TERM CITY PLANNING. WE HAVE A CONCENTRATION AND ARE PROPOSING IN THE NEXT ITEM TO EXPAND INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES ON TRUCKED WATER AND SEWER. ARE WE DOING ANY PLANNING OR DO YOU FORESEE SOME WAY, IN THE LONG TERM TO ENABLE INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL APPLICATIONS, LIGHT OR HEAVY, TO BE ON PIPED WATER AND SORT OF I'M JUST IMAGINING IT'S FRUSTRATING FOR THOSE BUSINESSES FOR US TO BE SAYING, HERE'S HERE'S WHERE WE WANT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS, AND BY THE WAY, IT'S ON TRUCKED WATER, AND IT COULD THOSE COSTS COULD BE GOING UP SUBSTANTIALLY. MR. VAN DINE AND FEEL FREE TO SLICE AND DICE THAT ANSWER BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT ITEM. SURE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR, AND I JUST WANT TO, FOR THE RECORD, THAT I DID NOT PAY COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN TO ASK THAT QUESTION BUT I DO WELCOME THE QUESTION THAT THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF BENEFIT TO THIS REPORT, I THINK, FOR US AND FOR COUNCIL AND FOR YELLOWKNIFE TO TURN THEIR ATTENTIONS TO WHAT WE HAVE KIND OF EVOLVED INTO AND WHERE WE ARE IN OUR SERVICE ARRANGEMENTS AND, AND HOW WE'VE COSTED OUR, OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE DELIVERY AS WELL AS TAKING A MOMENT AS WE'RE UPDATING OUR COMMUNITY PLAN, AS WE'RE THINKING SORT OF TO OUR LONGER TERM INFRASTRUCTURE REQUIREMENTS GOING FORWARD TO THINK ABOUT MORE METHODICALLY WHERE OUR PREFERRED INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENTS LIE, AND SO WE DON'T HAVE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS YET, AND BUT THIS REPORT DOES GIVE US, I THINK, ENOUGH ENCOURAGEMENT TO START THINKING ALONG THOSE TERMS. YELLOWKNIFE, AS EVERYONE WOULD APPRECIATE IS RELIANT ON TRUCK SERVICE FOR ALL KINDS OF REASONS, HISTORICALLY AND FOR COST AND FOR PRACTICALITY. SO TRUCK SERVICE IS CERTAINLY NOT THE MOST IDEAL, COST EFFECTIVE WAY, AS WE'VE DEDUCED FROM THIS REPORT, BUT IT IS OUR REALITY, AND THOSE THAT ARE ON TRUCK SERVICE CERTAINLY ARE RELIANT BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ONLY WAY THAT THEY COULD GET SERVICE. SO AND THAT IS A REALITY TO THEM TOO. SO IT I WOULDN'T WANT TO PAINT THE PICTURE TO SUGGEST THAT USERS THAT ARE RELIANT ON TRUCK CURRENTLY ARE HAVE BEEN EXPRESSING A DEEP DESIRE TO ONLY GET SERVICES THAT WAY. THAT IS JUST WHAT WAS AVAILABLE AT THE TIME. NOT TO GET AHEAD OF THE NEXT PRESENTATION, BUT THE NEXT PRESENTATION WILL SPEAK TO OUR CURRENT REALITY AND OUR CURRENT DEVELOPMENT PRESSURES AND OUR CURRENT SERVICE LEVEL ARRANGEMENTS AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE IMPLICATIONS OF THAT GOING FORWARD. THAT BEING SAID THAT WHAT COUNCIL WILL LIKELY HEAR IN THAT PRESENTATION NOT TO GET AHEAD OF OURSELVES IS BASICALLY THE VERY SAME FACT SITUATION THAT THE CITY HAS FACED FOR QUITE SOME TIME. SO THERE ISN'T A NEW FACT SITUATION OTHER THAN WE'RE PROBABLY BETTER INFORMED TODAY THAN WE MIGHT OTHERWISE BE AROUND THE COST OF THAT FACT SITUATION AND DEVELOPING IN THAT IN THAT DIRECTION. SO I'LL JUST CLOSE BY THANKING COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN FOR RAISING THE QUESTION. I BELIEVE WE WILL HAVE LOTS TO THINK ABOUT GOING FORWARD IN TERMS OF HOW THE CITY THINKS ABOUT WHERE IT WANTS TO INVEST AND TRY AND OFFSET COSTS WITH RESPECT TO SERVICES, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THAT DISCUSSION. IN THOSE VARIOUS FOUR THAT ARE GOING TO COME FORWARD IN THE NEXT, NEXT SHORT WHILE, INCLUDING THE PRESENTATION THAT WILL BE FOLLOWING THIS DISCUSSION. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THAT, COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH. LOOKING FORWARD TO THOSE DISCUSSIONS, AND THEN ONE LAST ONE. JUST COMMENT FROM ADMIN ON THE REASONABLENESS OR THE DIFFICULTY TO SET UP A PARTICULAR BULK AGRICULTURAL USE, WATER SUBSIDY. MR. VAN DINE. I WILL JUST WE'LL LOOK INTO IT FOR SURE. IN TERMS OF DIFFICULTY, AS I BELIEVE THE CONSULTANTS HAVE POINTED OUT COUNCIL DOES HAVE THE DISCRETION TO INCENT CERTAIN ACTIVITIES AND TO USE ALL THE TOOLS IN THE TOOLBOX. [00:40:03] THIS WOULD BE ONE TO LOOK AT AND WE WE'D CERTAINLY BE VERY WILLING TO UNDERTAKE THAT ANALYSIS AND WORK FOR, FOR COUNCIL IF IF THAT WAS THE DIRECTION THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE US TO PURSUE IN TERMS OF THE LEVEL OF DIFFICULTY. IT WOULDN'T BE ANY MORE DIFFICULT, I THINK, THAN SOME OF THE OTHER ZONES THAT WE'VE CURRENTLY HAVE OR CATEGORIES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. THANK YOU. THANKS VERY MUCH. COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN. THANKS. THAT'S IT FOR QUESTIONS FOR ME. I'LL HAVE A COMMENT FOR SECOND ROUND, BUT GOOD FOR NOW. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANKS FOR THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. OKAY. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS JUST FOR ME, AND THE FIRST ONE FOR ADMIN, AND YOU CAN FEEL FREE TO SAY SAVE THIS ONE TILL JUNE, BUT JUST THINKING THROUGH IN TERMS OF ALL OF THIS WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE TO DATE, HAVE WE CONTEMPLATED AT ALL YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES TO GET PEOPLE TO MOVE OUT TO MORE INDUSTRIAL PARTS OF THE CITY, AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME, WATER RATES COULD GO UP. SO MAYBE THAT'S SORT OF THE DISINCENTIVE TO OPPOSE THE INCENTIVE. JUST WONDERING IF TO DATE WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, AND AGAIN, IF THE ANSWER IS THAT'LL BE PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION IN JUNE OR CONTEMPLATION. THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. WE IT'S A DYNAMIC PROCESS; WE WILL BRING SOME OF THAT ANALYSIS FORWARD IN TERMS OF WHETHER IT CREATES AN OFFSET TO SOME OF OUR OTHER OBJECTIVES. WE'LL BRING THAT FORWARD. THANK YOU. ALL GOOD. FOR MR. NIGHTINGALE, I HAVE JUST A QUESTION AROUND THE PROPOSED 10% LEVY FOR OUT OF CITY USERS. JUST WONDERING IF, YOU KNOW, WAS THERE OTHER THAN I KNOW THE REFERENCE IN THE REVIEW AROUND THE PENTICTON, YOU KNOW, SORT OF PICKED PICK 10%. IT SEEMED LIKE THEY SORT OF PICKED IT OUT OF THE AIR TO A CERTAIN DEGREE. WONDERING IF THERE WAS ANY OTHER RATIONALE BEHIND THE 10% OR IF IT WAS SORT OF PENTICTON PICKED IT OUT OF THE AIR, AND SO THERE'S A BIT OF A REFERENCE POINT FOR THAT. NOT A CRITICISM, JUST MORE OF A IS THAT SORT OF THE LOGIC BEHIND IT? YEAH. NO, THAT WAS THE LOGIC BEHIND IT. I MEAN, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OUT OF CITY RESIDENTS, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY DON'T HAVE A UTILITY ACCOUNT WITH THE CITY. SO THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF ADMINISTRATION COSTS THAT GOES TOWARDS THEM. SO THE WHOLE QUESTION IS IF BECAUSE IT WAS IN THE TERMS OF REFERENCE, I WOULD SAY THAT THERE'S NO ONE RIGHT ANSWER BECAUSE YOU ARE COVERING THE RATES RIGHT NOW ARE COVERING THE COST OF THE COMMODITY. IT'S WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A SMALL PREMIUM TO OFFSET THE REST OF IT, THE ADMINISTRATION COSTS OF WHICH LITTLE COULD BE ASCRIBED TO THE OTHER CITY RESIDENTS AND SOME OF THE OTHER SHARED INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS THAT KIND OF THING. VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO MODEL BECAUSE OF COURSE WE DON'T HAVE THEIR CONSUMPTION FIGURES AND, AND, AND WHATNOT. SO, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE JUST LANDED ON. WELL, PENTICTON DOES IT THIS WAY. SO IF YOU DID WANT A PREMIUM HERE, THERE'S ONE YOU CAN HAVE. NO. THAT'S ACTUALLY HELPFUL. ESPECIALLY THAT YOUR COMMENT THERE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SORT OF LOOKING AT THE OFFSETTING OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE PORTION OF IT SPECIFICALLY. SO THANKS FOR THAT. JUST THE OTHER SORT OF PRIMARY QUESTION I HAD THAT HASN'T BEEN ASKED ALREADY IS, YOU KNOW, OFTEN IN THE REPORT IT TALKS ABOUT THE RANGE OF REASONABLENESS, AND IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS INTERIM REPORT IN 2023, THIS DIDN'T COME TO MY HEAD, BUT YOU READ A REPORT A SECOND TIME, NEW QUESTIONS POP UP. SO JUST WONDERING SOME OF THE BACKGROUND ON, YOU KNOW, WHERE DOES THAT IDEA OF THE RATE OF REASONABLENESS BEING BETWEEN 90 AND 110%? JUST TRYING TO GET SOME, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THAT COMES FROM. IS IT INDUSTRY PRACTICE? WHERE DID THAT INDUSTRY PRACTICE COME FROM? JUST, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 64% AND 90%, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENCE IN TRYING TO JUSTIFY THAT TO PEOPLE MORE THAN JUST A STATEMENT IN A REPORT. THANKS. YEAH, WE COULD WE COULD FORWARD. IT WAS A FAIR POINT. THAT'S A FAIR POINT FOR SURE. WE COULD FORWARD SOME SOME WRITTEN INFORMATION, BUT I'LL JUST QUICKLY GO THROUGH THE ONTARIO ENERGY BOARD. NEWFOUNDLAND LABRADOR BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS OF PUBLIC UTILITIES, PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND. YUKON UTILITIES. THEY ALL HAVE AN ESTABLISHED 90 TO 110% RANGE OF REASONABLENESS. INTERESTINGLY, MANITOBA RIGHT NOW HAS A RANGE OF REASONABLENESS OF BETWEEN 95 AND 105%. SO A LITTLE MORE, A LITTLE MORE CONTAINED AND FOCUSED, BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE, WE WOULD HAVE LANDED WE WOULD LAND ON 90 BECAUSE, AGAIN, MINIMIZING THAT IMPACT OF TRUCKED CUSTOMERS AS WELL. RIGHT. SO WE'VE GOT THE TRUCK CUSTOMERS TARGETED AT 90 AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO GO HIGHER THAN THAT EITHER, SO. PERFECT. THANKS FOR THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ROUND? TWO. ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY? THEN COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN YOU'RE UP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH. JUST TO SAY I APPRECIATE THE TIMELINE FROM ADMIN. [00:45:06] YEAH, AND IN FAVOR GENERALLY OF LOTS OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN HERE. YEAH. RATES AND FEES. EASY TO UNDERSTAND. THAT'S GREAT. ADMINISTRATIVE EFFICIENCY. AWESOME. STRONGER PRICE SIGNAL TO CUSTOMERS. LOVE IT, AND , YEAH, JUST TO ADDRESS THE WATER AND SEWER FUND 2027 DEFICIT THAT WE SAW IN THE 2025 BUDGET. I THINK THAT'S CRITICAL. TO ADDRESS THE ONE SORT OF QUALIFIER I'D THROW IN MY SUPPORT FOR THE RECOMMENDATIONS GENERALLY IS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN OPTION FOR IMPLEMENTING AN AGRICULTURAL USE WATER SUBSIDY. THIS WOULD FULFILL ACTION 2.1.3 AND GO TOWARDS GOAL TWO OF OUR GROW AGRICULTURAL STRATEGY. I'LL TALK ABOUT THIS AGAIN IN THE NEXT ITEM, BUT I BELIEVE FOOD SECURITY IS A CRITICAL ISSUE FOR THE NORTH, AND THAT ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT SHOULD TAKE WHAT STEPS WE CAN TO ENSURE THAT NORTHERNERS HAVE ACCESS TO HEALTHY, NUTRITIOUS FOOD AND THAT WE ARE NOT TOTALLY RELIANT ON THE SOUTH. IT IS AN IMPORTANT STEP, AND I FEEL A PRODUCTIVE ONE THAT THE CITY CAN TAKE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT, COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM ANY OF MY COLLEAGUES? NO. THEN WE WILL. ADMINISTRATION CAN TAKE COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN YOUR COMMENTS THERE UNDER ADVISEMENT AS THEY'RE PUTTING THE RECOMMENDATION TOGETHER, WHICH I KNOW THEY WILL. WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND, AFTER A GOOD CALL FROM ADMIN LETTING ME KNOW THAT THE NEXT PRESENTATION SHOULD BE ABOUT 45 MINUTES. IF MY COLLEAGUES ARE GOOD WITH IT, WE'LL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK NOW AND THEN COME BACK FOR THE NEXT ITEM. YEP. SO WE'LL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND WE'LL BE BACK AT 12:55. THANK YOU. YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. NIGHTINGALE. THANKS. THANKS. COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN AND COUNCILLOR COCHRANE, ARE YOU THERE? YES, INDEED, MR. CHAIR. PERFECT. THANKS. I THINK WE ARE READY TO GO ON ADMINISTRATION SIDE. SO I'LL JUST INTRODUCE THE ITEM IF YOU'RE GOOD. SO NEXT WE HAVE A MEMORANDUM REGARDING WHETHER TO PROCEED WITH THE CREATION OF A NEW AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR LOT 32, [5. A memorandum regarding whether to proceed with the creation of a new Area Development Plan for Lot 32, Block 568, Plan 4452 in Kam Lake; and whether to amend Community Plan By-law No. 5007, to redesignate a portion of Lot 32, Block 568 from Engle Industrial Business District to Kam Lake.] BLOCK FIVE, SIX EIGHT, PLAN 4452 IN KAM LAKE AND WHETHER TO AMEND COMMUNITY PLAN BYLAW NUMBER 5007 TO REDESIGNATE A PORTION OF LOT 32, BLOCK 568 FROM ANGLE INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS DISTRICT TWO KAM LAKE. MR. VAN DINE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'LL JUST TAKE A MOMENT TO INTRODUCE VERY BRIEFLY AND THEN TURN IT OVER TO DIRECTOR WHITE AND ANDREW TREGER FOR THE PRESENTATION. SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO BEGIN BY SAYING THAT THIS IS THIS KAM LAKE AREA FOR A NEW SUBDIVISION WAS DISCUSSED WITH COUNCIL IN DECEMBER OF 2023 AND WAS INCLUDED IN OUR BUDGET IN 2024 DELIBERATIONS. THERE WAS A CONSULTATION, AS YOU WILL HAVE SEEN IN THE REPORT THAT WAS PROVIDED IN THE MEMORANDUM CONSULTATION AND A MARKET STUDY WERE COMPLETED IN 2024, AND PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR MISS WHITE PRESENTED TO GPC IN SEPTEMBER AN UPDATE ON UPCOMING PROJECTS OF WHICH THIS WAS REFERENCED, AND THE WORK IS COMING FORWARD. TODAY TO KICK IT OFF I WOULD JUST SORT OF CONCLUDE BY SAYING THIS IS VERY MUCH THE VERY INTRODUCTORY STEPS OF AN AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND WITH THAT, THERE ARE SUBSEQUENT STAGES THAT YOU'LL BE AND STEPS THAT WE'LL HEAR ABOUT IN A MOMENT, BUT THAT'S SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT MIGHT BE IN THE MINDS OF COUNCIL MAY NOT BE ANSWERED TODAY, BUT WILL BE ANSWERED THROUGH THE COURSE AND THE STEPS OF THE PROCESS THAT WE WILL BE FOLLOWING. SO WITH THAT, I'LL JUST INVITE MISS WHITE IF SHE'D LIKE TO SAY ANY OTHER WORDS BEFORE WE DIVE INTO THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY, AND YES, ANDREW IS GOING TO GET INTO KIND OF WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE, WHERE THIS CAME FROM AND HOW IT'S KIND OF EVOLVED OVER TIME. WE DID DO THAT PRELIMINARY REACH OUT TO PEOPLE NOT ONLY WHO LIVE IN THE AREA, BUT WHO HAVE BUSINESSES IN THE AREA, AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES AND VIEWPOINTS THAT ARE OUT THERE. IT'S NOT THE LAST TIME THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING FOR THE PUBLIC TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS, AND THERE ARE MECHANISMS WHERE AS THE DESIGN. IF COUNCIL DIRECTS US TO GO FORWARD AS THE DESIGN PROGRESSES, THAT WE TAKE THOSE COMMENTS INTO CONSIDERATION AND SEE HOW WE CAN MITIGATE WHAT WE CALL NEGATIVE IMPACTS. SO THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MEETING EVERYBODY'S EXPECTATION AND MITIGATING IMPACTS. SO IT'S THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OVERALL FOR EVERYONE, BUT I WILL LET ANDREW COME UP PLEASE AND GIVE A BIT OF A PRESENTATION, AND WE'RE HERE AS WELL AS THE CONSULTANTS TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE AFTER. [00:50:04] THANK YOU SO MUCH. GO AHEAD, MR. TREGER. GOOD AFTERNOON. SO MY NAME IS ANDREW TREGER, AS YOU HEARD FROM CHARLSEY. I'M AN ACTING PLANNER THREE HERE WITH THE CITY. SO I'LL BE PRESENTING ON THE RECOMMENDED RECOMMENDATION TO AMEND THE CITY'S COMMUNITY PLAN BYLAW AND CREATE A NEW THE NEW AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A CITY OWNED PARCEL IN KAM LAKE. SPECIFICALLY LOT 32, BLOCK 568 . SO THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A MAP OF THE APPROXIMATELY 68.1 HECTARE SPACE OF UNDEVELOPED CITY OWNED LAND LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF ENTERPRISE DRIVE. SO IN 2020, THE CITY ADOPTED THE CURRENT COMMUNITY PLAN, AND IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN, IT WAS IDENTIFIED THAT THIS AREA WOULD BE IS IS APPROPRIATE FOR FUTURE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT. IT ALSO DIRECT THAT THE SUBDIVISION OF THIS LAND WILL BE A PRIORITY AS DEMAND DEMONSTRATES. SO WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS IS WELL, IN AS YOU HEARD IN MARCH OF LAST YEAR COUNCIL WAS INFORMED THAT WE WOULD BE BEGINNING PRELIMINARY WORK ON THIS PROJECT. SO AS OF NOW, WE'VE COMPLETED THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, THE PRELIMINARY PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND THE MARKET REPORT. SO THESE NOW THAT THESE TWO STEPS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED I'LL TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THEM. SO FIRSTLY DILLON CONSULTING WAS CONTRACTED TO CONDUCT A PRELIMINARY PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND PREPARE A REPORT ON THE FINDINGS OF THAT ENGAGEMENT. PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WAS UNDERTAKEN IN THE SPRING AND SUMMER OF 2024. SO LAST YEAR. SO THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT SUMMARY REPORT WAS INFORMED BY INPUT COLLECTED THROUGH SURVEYS, THROUGH FOCUS GROUPS AND THROUGH RECEIVING COMMENTS EITHER THROUGH EMAIL OR BY USING THE PLACESPEAK PLATFORM. SO THERE'S THREE MAJOR ENGAGEMENT TYPES USED. THERE WAS TWO. TWO OF THE THERE'S TWO FOCUS GROUPS. I'LL JUST GO OVER A FEW OF THE KEY FINDINGS. THERE'S MORE DETAILS IN IN THE DOCUMENT ITSELF BUT I'LL FLY THROUGH SOME OF THESE. SO KEY FINDINGS INCLUDED THAT THERE WAS A STRONG DESIRE BY RESIDENTS AND STAKEHOLDERS FOR AN UP TO DATE LAND DEMAND ANALYSIS TO JUSTIFY FURTHER DEVELOPMENT. PARTICIPANTS CALLED FOR TRANSPARENT AND ACCOUNTABLE PLANNING PRACTICES. CONCERNS WERE RAISED ABOUT ENFORCEMENT OF EXISTING BYLAWS, WHICH CALLS CALLING FOR STRICTER OVERSIGHT OVERSIGHT BEFORE ALLOWING NEW DEVELOPMENT, AND AGAIN, MORE DETAILS ON THOSE IN THE REPORT. A FEW OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT PRELIMINARY ENGAGEMENT WERE TO DIRECT US TO CONDUCT GEOTECHNICAL AND MARKET STUDIES, TO ASSESS LAND SUITABILITY AND MARKET NEEDS, EVALUATE WILDFIRE PROTECTION, TRAFFIC IMPACTS AND DRAINAGE TO ENSURE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING. IMPLEMENT MITIGATION MEASURES LIKE BUFFERS TO REDUCE NOISE NUISANCES SO NOISE, DUST OR ODORS. IMPROVE BYLAW ENFORCEMENT TO REBUILD COMMUNITY TRUST. CONDUCT ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, PARTICULARLY WITH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THEIR LAND DEVELOPMENT NEEDS, ENSURE ONGOING AND MEANINGFUL COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT AND TRANSPARENCY IN PLANNING, AND PRESERVE ENVIRONMENTAL AND RECREATIONAL SPACES, NOTABLY THOSE FOUND AROUND KAM LAKE AND GRACE LAKE. SO, IN COLLABORATION WITH DILLON, WERE THE CONSULTANTS WHO WORKED ON THE MARKET STUDY. SO THAT'S THE SECOND OF THE ATTACHMENTS. THE STUDY WAS CARRIED OUT IN NOVEMBER THROUGH NOVEMBER 2024 UNTIL FEBRUARY 2025 THIS YEAR. I'LL GO OVER A FEW OF THOSE KEY FINDINGS. AGAIN, MORE DETAIL IN THE IN THE DOCUMENT ITSELF. SO YELLOWKNIFE IS PROJECTED TO GROW ABOUT 2700 PEOPLE BY 2034. THIS INCREASES THE DEMAND ON GOODS, SERVICES, JOBS AND INFRASTRUCTURE. THE GROWTH IS EXPECTED TO FUEL ECONOMIC EXPANSION AND INCREASE EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES, PARTICULARLY IN SECTORS LIKE CONSTRUCTION, MANUFACTURING, COMMERCIAL SERVICES. BASED ON THE MARKET ANALYSIS, THERE IS A PROJECTED DEMAND FOR OVER 600,031FT² OF NEW DEVELOPMENT SPACE IN KAM LAKE OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS. SO SOME OF THE KEY INDUSTRIAL SEGMENTS DRIVING DEMAND THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE REPORT INCLUDE CONSTRUCTION WHICH WAS THE LARGEST PROJECTED USER REQUIRING 335,000FT² WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 15.1 HECTARES OF LAND. MANUFACTURING AND WAREHOUSING, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY TAKING UP APPROXIMATELY 14.6, PLUS AN ADDITIONAL 20,000 SQUARE FOOT 20,000FT² FOR SELF STORAGE USES. [00:55:07] AGRICULTURE WAS ANOTHER OF THE KEY ONES WITH A FUTURE GROWTH AREA, SORRY, WHICH IS A FUTURE GROWTH AREA WITH ROUGHLY 90,000FT² PROJECTED ACROSS 8.5 HECTARES AND COMMERCIAL SERVICE. COMMERCIAL SUPPORT SERVICES, WHICH IS SMALLER SCALE BUSINESSES THAT COULD REQUIRE ABOUT 30,000FT², GIVE OR TAKE. SO THE RECOMMENDED NEXT STEPS FROM THE MARKET STUDY WERE CONDUCTING THE GEOTECHNICAL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENTS, ADDRESSING FIRE PROTECTION, DRAINAGE AND TRAFFIC. CREATE BUFFERS. CREATING THE BUFFERS TO MINIMIZE IMPACTS ON THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. ENGAGING WITH LOCAL BUSINESSES TO REFINE PLANNING AND ENSURING TRANSPARENCY AND ONGOING COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT. SO NOW THAT WE'VE NOW THAT THESE PRELIMINARY PUBLIC CONSULTATION AND THE MARKET REPORT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED NEXT STEPS INCLUDE THE COMMUNITY PLAN AMENDMENT. SO CURRENTLY, THE COMMUNITY PLAN DESIGNATES THE AREA YOU SEE IN GRAY SOUTHWEST OF KAM. SO THAT LARGE PARCEL AS KAM LAKE ALREADY. IT'S ROUGHLY 59.8 HECTARES. THE SMALL BLUE PIECE THAT YOU SEE THERE IS CURRENTLY DESIGNATED AS AN INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS. INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. SO THE FIRST STEP WILL BE TO RE DESIGNATE THAT AS CAM. THIS ENSURES THAT THE ENTIRE PARCEL FALLS UNDER A SINGLE LAND USE DESIGNATION, ALIGNED WITH THE INTENDED. WHAT WILL BE THE INTENDED DEVELOPMENT OF THE AREA? IT IS IN ALIGNMENT ALSO WITH THE CURRENT VISION FOR KAM LAKE . SO IT'S JUST ABOUT BRINGING IT TO KAM LAKE DESIGNATION SO THAT WE CAN UNIFORMLY APPLY WHATEVER OUR FUTURE ENGAGEMENTS AND FUTURE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESSES TELL US IS THE BEST USE FOR THAT AREA. THE SECOND STEP IS CREATING AN AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THIS WILL INCLUDE GATHERING BACKGROUND DATA TO UNDERSTAND THE CURRENT CONDITIONS, CONSTRAINTS AND OPPORTUNITIES OF THE AREA. ENGAGE MORE ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY. SO THIS STEP WILL ALSO INVOLVE US HEARING FROM RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES AND INDIGENOUS GOVERNMENTS WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE IN THE AREA. CREATING LAND USE CONCEPTS. PLANNING INFRASTRUCTURE. ASSESSING ENVIRONMENTAL RISKS. ALIGNING WITH POLICY. DRAFTING THE PLAN. ALL OF THOSE THINGS. OOPS, LET'S GO BACK HERE. SO ONCE WE HAVE DONE THE COMMUNITY PLAN AMENDMENT AND BEGIN THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN THERE'S ALSO A FEW OTHER SUBSEQUENT STEPS THAT SOME OF THEM CAN HAPPEN AT THE SAME TIME, BUT THERE'S ZONING, SUBDIVISION, EVENTUAL MARKETING PLAN, AND THEN LASTLY, THE SALE OF THE LANDS. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID WE HAVE A FEW OF THE CONSULTANTS ON THE LINE. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS REGARDING THE MARKET REPORT SPECIFICALLY, PLEASE ASK THEN OR I'D BE HAPPY TO GET YOU THOSE ANSWERS. IF YOU LET ME KNOW YOU HAVE THEM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. TREGER, AND ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM MY COLLEAGUES. COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO WHAT ARE THE SO A QUOTE FROM THE MEMO FIRE PROTECTION IN THE AREA WILL BE LIMITED, PRESENTING RISKS TO EMERGENCY RESPONSE AND PUBLIC SAFETY AS PART OF THE OVERALL FEASIBILITY ASSESSMENT FOR DEVELOPMENT. THESE RISKS MUST BE THOROUGHLY EVALUATED. JUST LOOKING TO GET A SENSE FROM ADMINISTRATION ON WHAT OUR RISK TOLERANCE IS HERE. I UNDERSTAND IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT QUESTION TO ANSWER, ESPECIALLY AT THIS TIME, BUT IS THERE A WORLD WHERE WE SAY WE CAN'T MITIGATE THE WILDFIRE OR URBAN FIRE RISKS HERE AND CHOOSE NOT TO MOVE FORWARD AS PART OF THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN. MR. VAN DINE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I'LL INVITE DIRECTOR WHITE AND MR. MCLEAN TO BE READY TO ADD IF NECESSARY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE QUESTION. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO THINGS HERE. IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE WILDFIRE RISK. THERE'S FIREFIGHTING RISK AS WELL, AND SO ONE WILL HELP TO ASSIST THE OTHER. THERE ARE OPTIONS THAT IF COUNCIL DIRECTS US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT AREA, THEN WE WILL WORK WITH PUBLIC SAFETY AS WELL AS THE OTHER PARTNERS THAT WE HAVE IN THE GNWT WHO ARE EXPERTS TO HELP DEVISE AND MITIGATE WILDFIRE RISK FOR THIS AREA, [01:00:07] AS WELL AS LOOKING AT ABILITY TO SERVICE FOR FIREFIGHTING ON THE PROPERTIES AS WELL. SO WHEN WE HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT TRUCKED WATER. IT'S IN ADDITION TO THIS CONVERSATION THAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT FOR FOR WILDLAND FIRE AND MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE FOR ALL TYPES OF CONTINGENCIES SO THAT WE ARE MITIGATING THAT, AND MR. MCLEAN CAN DEFINITELY GIVE A LITTLE MORE DETAIL WITH REGARDS TO THAT PLANNING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, THERE'S A COUPLE OF PIECES FOR FIRE PROTECTION COME IN OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THE WILDFIRE PROTECTION, WHICH WOULD GO IN AND LOOK AT HOW THE AREA IS BEING DEVELOPED. THEN HOW ARE WE, YOU KNOW, MITIGATING THE RISKS OF THE WILDFIRE OR, EXCUSE ME, WILDLAND INTERFACE EXPOSURES BETWEEN THAT. THERE'S ACTIONS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY TAKING ACROSS THE SCOPE OF THE CITY THAT THIS AREA, IF IT WAS CHOSE TO BE DEVELOPED, WOULD ALIGN WITH WHEN IT LOOKS AT WHEN WE LOOK AT IT FROM A FIRE PROTECTION PERSPECTIVE OF A STRUCTURAL FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY RISK. THE THREAT IN THE AREA OR THE RISK IN THE AREA WOULD BE BASED ON THE OCCUPANCY TYPES, THE AREAS THE STRUCTURES TAKE UP, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE AT RISK, AND SOME OF THE LIFE HAZARD RISKS THAT ARE THAT ARE STANDARD BEST PRACTICES. WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT IT FROM AN INSURANCE INDUSTRY PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY ALSO HAS AN INTEREST IN DETERMINING THE COMMUNITY'S FIRE THREAT. BECAUSE THAT SETS THE PREMIUM FOR THE POLICYHOLDERS, AND THEN THE BIGGEST PIECE OF US, I GUESS, IS SHOULD AN EMERGENCY OR A FIRE TAKE PLACE. YOU KNOW, THAT SECOND UNIT MEASURES THE REQUIRED FIRE. EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME. WATER FLOW AND THE SUPPLY NEEDED TO SUPPRESS THAT FIRE THREAT. SO, AS YOU KNOW, WATER REMAINS THE MOST COMMON MEANS OF FIRE SUPPRESSION, AND TO BE EFFECTIVE, WE MUST DELIVER IT IN A CERTAIN QUANTITY AND IN A CERTAIN WAY, DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, THE STRUCTURE INVOLVED, THE EXPOSURES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. ONE THING I'LL JUST ADD, THOUGH, IS WHEN YOU EXPAND OUT DEVELOPMENT ON A TRUCKED WATER SERVICE AND YOUR FIREFIGHTER CAPACITY IS ALSO ON A TRUCK WATER PROTECTION SYSTEM. THE FURTHER WE MOVE AWAY FROM THE WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM, I.E. THE HYDRANTS THAT WE USE TO REFILL THE LESS WATER WE CAN DELIVER IN THAT TIMELY FASHION THAT I'M SPEAKING TO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THOSE ANSWERS. COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN. THANK YOU, AND I'M JUST CURIOUS WITH REGARD TO THE COSTS FOR WILDLAND FIRE PROTECTION, WILL THOSE LIKE, MAYBE IT'S TOO EARLY IN THE PROCESS, BUT WOULD THOSE COSTS BE RECOUPED THROUGH LAND SALES? JUST THESE COSTS WEREN'T ITEMIZED AS PART OF THE MARKET STUDY. NOR IS THERE ANY PLAN TO ADDRESS WILDFIRE CONCERNS AS RECOMMENDED BY PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, AND JUST CURIOUS THAT WE ENDED UP DOING A LOT OF FIRE BREAK WORK WITH EMERGENCY MONEY IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION AND THE FIRE BREAK WORK WE'D BE DOING OR WE'VE BEEN DOING PREVIOUS TO THAT WAS AT A MUCH, MUCH SMALLER SCALE AND WAS TAKING PLACE OVER YEARS AND YEARS. SO HOW ARE WE THINKING ABOUT IF WE'RE EXPANDING PROBABLY INTO THE RISKIEST INTERFACE BETWEEN WILDLAND THE CITY? HOW ARE WE GOING TO ADDRESS AND PAY FOR, THOSE WILDLAND FIRE RISKS. MR. VAN DINE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, AND ONCE AGAIN, I DID NOT PAY MR. MCLENNAN FOR THAT QUESTION TODAY. SO WE WILL BE BRINGING FORWARD A PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL ON WILDFIRE PROTECTION PLANS. OVERALL, THIS IS NOT THE DAY THAT WE'LL BE DOING THAT, AND WE WILL BE DESCRIBING OUR THE QUESTIONS THAT OR THE ISSUES OR THE WAY THAT WE PROPOSE TO BE MANAGING THE IMPLEMENTATION OF A WILDFIRE PROTECTION PLAN. SO THAT WILL COME FORWARD LATER IN THE SPRING, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO GIVING COUNCIL A PERSPECTIVE ON HOW WE'RE BALANCING THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. AS MR. MCLEAN SET OUT THIS PARTICULAR AREA IS FACTORED INTO THAT LARGER PLAN THAT WE'LL BE BRINGING FORWARD TO FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION AND THE PLAN AND THE PROPOSAL TO DATE WITH THIS AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS SIMILAR PLANS LANDS PREVIOUSLY IN THE KAM LAKE AREA. [01:05:09] WE ARE NOT BUILDING IN AT THIS JUNCTURE, TO MY KNOWLEDGE. ANY COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE WITH THE WITH THE POTENTIAL PROPONENT OR DEVELOPER WITHIN THIS SPACE. A COST FOR WILDFIRE PROTECTION AT THIS AT THIS JUNCTURE, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE CONTEMPLATE DOWNSTREAM, BUT CERTAINLY NOT WITHIN THIS PARTICULAR AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS IT IS ADDRESSED THROUGH OTHER PLANNING TOOLS AND PLANNING MECHANISMS AND FUNDING MECHANISMS THAT WE WILL BE DISCUSSING WITH COUNCIL. MR. MCLEAN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD IS THAT DURING 2023, THIS AREA WAS ALL MULCHED AS A FIRE PREVENTION INITIATIVE AT THE TIME, IN COORDINATION WITH A FIREBREAK THAT WAS OR EXCUSE ME, FUEL BREAK THAT WAS ESTABLISHED FROM FROM GRACE LAKE ON THE PERIMETER OF THIS AREA. THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN. THANK YOU. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A VERY INTERESTING TOPIC. YEAH. WE'RE SORT OF TALKING ON ONE HAND ABOUT DELIVERING SPECIFIC COSTS FOR TRUCKED WATER TO TRUCKED USERS AND IN THIS CASE, SORT OF EXPANDING INTO AN AREA, AND PEOPLE ARE BUYING, POTENTIALLY BUYING LAND ON THE EDGE OF THE WILDFIRE AREA, AND WE'RE SORT OF DISTRIBUTING THAT COST TO DEAL WITH THAT ACROSS THE WHOLE CITY. YEAH. VERY INTERESTING CONVERSATION. WE'RE PROPOSING TO I JUST HAVE A COMMENT. SO I'LL HAND IT OFF TO EVERYONE ELSE IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. OH, THANKS FOR THAT COUNCILLOR FEQUET. THANKS, MR. CHAIR. I GUESS JUST THE FIRST QUESTION IS THERE ANY URGENCY REGARDING THIS REQUEST TODAY, I.E. ARE THERE IMPLICATIONS IF WE MAKE THIS DECISION AT A LATER DATE? MR. VAN DINE WE DO NOT HAVE AN INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT EMERGENCY AT THE AT THIS CURRENT JUNCTURE, BUT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DIRECTOR WHITE TO DISCUSS THE LONG TERM AND MEDIUM TERM PLANNING THAT THIS IS A PART OF FOR THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I WOULDN'T CALL IT AN EMERGENCY, BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY IDENTIFY THAT THERE IS A NEED. THE USES THAT ARE CONTEMPLATED FOR A KAM LAKE AREA ARE VERY DIFFERENT THAN ENGLE, AND WHEN WE PUT ANY TYPE OF INDUSTRIAL USE, WE HAVE MANY CONSIDERATIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE, AND HERE WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT INDUSTRIAL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE COMPANION COMMERCIAL AS WELL AS AS ANDREW MENTIONED, SOME CONTEMPLATION ABOUT AGRICULTURE, AND SO WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE NOT JUST FOR TODAY, BUT WHEN WE PLAN NOW, IT'S GOING TO TAKE YEARS IN ORDER TO GET THESE LOTS TO MARKET. SO IF WE DON'T START TODAY, THEN IN FIVE YEARS WE WON'T HAVE LANDS ON THE MARKET. SO THAT AGAIN, IT'S NOT AN EMERGENCY, BUT IS IT GOOD PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE? YES. TO HAVE THAT CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THAT. COUNCILLOR FEQUET. THANKS FOR THAT RESPONSE. JUST KIND OF IN CONTRAST, GIVEN THE GRAVE NEED FOR THAT, I THINK EVERYONE'S AWARE OF FOR RESIDENTIAL HOUSING OPTIONS, DOES PURSUING KAM LAKE 2.0 IN ANY WAY TAKE ANY RESOURCES AWAY FROM THE INFILL AND DENSIFICATION EFFORTS? MR. VAN DINE. ABSOLUTELY NOT. MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU. EASY PEASY. COUNCILLOR FEQUET. THANKS. YEAH. BACK TO THE COSTS. I KNOW THAT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT FUND USUALLY FUNDS ALL THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF LANDS. IT SOUNDED LIKE WE DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW THE COSTS YET ASSOCIATED WITH THE URBAN AND WILD LAND FIRE SUPPRESSION THAT THE CITY MIGHT HAVE TO INCUR LIKE MORE HYDRANTS, MORE FIREFIGHTERS, MORE TANKERS. IS THAT WHERE WHERE DOES THAT INFORMATION COME IN, OR WHAT'S THE MOST APPROPRIATE TIME FOR THAT INFORMATION TO FOR US TO TALK ABOUT THAT? MR. VAN DINE. SO I'LL BEGIN AND I'LL INVITE DIRECTOR WHITE TO ELABORATE. SO THIS IS THE VERY BEGINNING STEP OF THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLANNING PROCESS, AND IN THAT BUT THROUGH THE SUBSEQUENT STEPS, WE WILL BE LOOKING AT AND ANALYZING THE DIFFERENT COST ELEMENTS AND PLANNING ASPECTS THAT WILL BRING IN WHAT WILL EVENTUALLY BECOME A PRICE THAT WOULD FIND ITSELF ON RELEASING A DEVELOPMENT COMPONENT. I'LL JUST REFER BACK TO THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD IN RESPONDING TO COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN'S QUESTION. THERE IS A WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT OR A WILDFIRE MANAGEMENT PRESENTATION THAT WE'LL BE BRINGING FORWARD SUBSEQUENTLY FOR THE ENTIRE CITY, AND IN THAT, WE WILL BE DISCUSSING THE RELATIVE PLANNING SUPPORTS THAT WE BELIEVE ARE NECESSARY TO MANAGE THE RELATIVE RISK TO THE CITY. [01:10:06] SO THAT WILL COMPLEMENT THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE HERE. AGAIN, THE TRADITIONAL APPROACH TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF OUR AREA, EXCUSE ME, THE DEVELOPMENT OF AREA DEVELOPMENT PLANS DOES SORT OF PUT A BIT OF A LENS AS DIRECTOR MCLEAN HAD POINTED OUT, ON STRUCTURAL FIRES. SO WHAT ARE THE RELATIVE COSTS AND SUPPORTS AROUND THAT AND I THINK HE DID A GREAT JOB DESCRIBING THE RELATIVE RISKS OF BEING FURTHER AWAY FROM PIPE SERVICES. WITH THAT IN MIND, BUT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT ALL OF THE RELATIVE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH FIRE SUPPRESSION IN STRUCTURAL FIRES WILL MEET THE STANDARDS THAT ARE REQUIRED UNDER VARIOUS ZONING AND BUILDING CODES. SO WE WILL MEET AND SATISFY ALL THAT. WILL THESE BE EXPENSIVE L OTS. THEY WILL COST WHAT THEY COST, AND WE WILL NOT BE ADDING ANY ADDITIONAL SUBSIDY AT THIS JUNCTURE TO OFFSET THOSE COSTS, BECAUSE WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO YELLOWKNIFE TAXPAYERS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE RECOVERING AT A COST RATE. DIRECTOR WHITE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? WHAT I WOULD ADD IS FOR ALL INFRASTRUCTURE CONSIDERATIONS WHEN WE ARE BUILDING NEW LOTS, THERE IS MECHANISM THROUGH OUR LAND ADMINISTRATION BYLAW AND THROUGH LEGISLATION THAT WE WORK UNDER WHERE WE CAN PUT THOSE COSTS AND DIVIDE THEM OUT OVER EACH OF THE LOTS. SO THAT'S EVERYTHING FROM ROADS DEPENDING ON WHAT OTHER SERVICES WE PUT IN THERE AND WE BREAK IT OUT BASED ON, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY HAS A DOUBLE SIZED LOT VERSUS A SINGLE SIZED LOT, AND THAT'S HOW WE ACTUALLY WORK OUT PRICING, AND WE CREATE THESE WONDERFUL EXCEL CHARTS WITH MATH GALORE, WHICH EXCITES PEOPLE LIKE KAVI, BUT THERE IS A RECOVERY WAY THAT WE DO BRING THAT STUFF FORWARD, AND WE DO THAT EVERY TIME WE CREATE LOTS WITHIN THE CITY. WITH REGARD TO WHAT THAT IN THE END, COSTS, IS IT GOING TO COST SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM TODAY THAN IT WILL IN FIVE YEARS? YEAH, IT PROBABLY WILL, BUT THE LAND, THE LAND FUND IS THERE TO HELP SUPPORT THAT, AND MOST DEVELOPMENT THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN DONE IN PHASES. SO ONCE PHASE ONE IS DONE, THAT HELPS TO OFFSET THE COSTS FOR PHASE TWO. PHASE TWO THEN OFFSETS THE COST FOR PHASE THREE. SO WE ALSO TRY TO WORK IT THAT WAY AS WELL SO THAT THE FINANCES, WE'RE NOT JUST DRAINING THE LAND FUND AND IT CAN BE USED FOR MULTIPLE PROJECTS AT THE SAME TIME. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THAT, COUNCILLOR FEQUET THANKS FOR THAT. LAST QUESTION AT THIS TIME MORE JUST A PROCESS QUESTION. SO IF WE GET TO THE STAGE WHERE ADMINISTRATION IS UNDERTAKING THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS, THERE WAS OBVIOUSLY A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF PUBLIC FEEDBACK THAT WAS GARNERED THROUGH VARIOUS FORUMS. SO THANK YOU FOR COLLECTING THAT AND TAKING THAT TIME. IS THAT FEEDBACK GOING TO BE CONSIDERED LATER AGAIN DURING THE ADP PROCESS, OR DO YOU GUYS KIND OF START FRESH? I SEE HEADS NODDING, BUT MR. VAN DINE. YES, ABSOLUTELY. MR. CHAIR, SO ALL OF THE PUBLIC INPUT IS ADDED TO THE RECORD AS WE BUILD, AND SO IT WILL BE FACTORED INTO THE FUTURE ANALYSIS AND DECISION MAKING AND PROVIDE IT TO COUNCIL TO CONSIDER WHEN THE RECOMMENDATIONS COME FORWARD. COUNCILLOR FEQUET. ANYTHING ELSE? NOPE. ALL GOOD. ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANY OTHER COLLEAGUES? NO. OKAY. OH. COUNCILLOR COCHRANE. FIRE AWAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR, AND THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A LONG TIME COMING, AND WE ARE ONLY BEGINNING THE NEXT STEP OF CREATING THIS. I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS MOVING FORWARD. I THINK THIS IS CLEAR INDICATION OF DEMAND, NOT ONLY THROUGH THE MARKET STUDY, BUT ALSO SINCE THE PROCESS WHEN WE BEGAN IN THE CHANGES TO THE COMMUNITY PLAN IN 2020. I WILL SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT TO TAKE THAT PIECE THAT IS CONSIDERED ANGLE AND OF COURSE, PUT IT BACK INTO KAM BECAUSE IT MAKES NO SENSE WHY IT WAS THERE ANYWAY. MY ONE THING THAT I DID SEE THROUGH THE ENGAGEMENT PROCESS IS THERE IS QUITE A LOT OF CONCERN FOR A LACK OF GREEN SPACE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ADDRESSING NEW ASPECTS OF CONCEPTS THROUGH THE AGRI PART, AND I WAS WONDERING IF THE ADMINISTRATION HAS CONSIDERED UTILIZING A PORTION OF THE AGRI TO ALSO ADDRESS THESE GREEN SPACE CONCERNS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. VAN DINE. I'VE BEEN PAYING A LOT OF COUNCILLORS TO ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS TODAY. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. COUNCILLOR COCHRANE. SO THAT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DIRECTOR WHITE IN A MOMENT, BUT SUFFICE IT TO SAY THAT THE NATURE OF THE QUESTIONS AND THE QUERIES THAT YOU'RE BRINGING FORWARD WITH RESPECT TO GREEN SPACE OVERALL, WITH THE CITY, I THINK IS DEFINITELY GOING TO GET A HEALTHY KIND OF EXAMINATION DURING OUR [01:15:01] COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE AND THE VARIOUS TECHNIQUES WITH WHICH TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEEDS FOR GREEN SPACE AT THE CITY BOTH NOW AND INTO THE LONG TERM BUT DIRECTOR WHITE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ELABORATE? SO NO PLANS HAVE BEEN FINALIZED AT THIS POINT IN TIME. SO THIS IS THE THAT INITIAL POINT. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. THERE ARE WITHIN THIS PARCEL OF LAND AREAS THAT REALLY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE EITHER PROTECTED OR AREN'T FINANCIALLY VIABLE TO DEVELOP. SO THERE MAY BE WAYS TO CREATE A CONNECTED SYSTEM. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT. IT ALSO SPEAKS TO WAYS OF MITIGATING THOSE NEGATIVE IMPACTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. RIGHT. SO TRYING TO UTILIZE THE RESOURCES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE RATHER THAN CUTTING EVERYTHING DOWN AND THEN HAVING TO PUT IT ALL BACK LATER. SO HOW DO WE MANAGE THAT AND THAT'S THE JOB OF THE PLANNERS AS THEY WORK THROUGH THAT AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND TO THE TO THE QUESTION BEFORE AS WELL YOU KNOW, CITY MANAGERS, RIGHT. THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING, AND THERE'S GOING TO BE COMMUNITY CONSULTATION, NOT JUST WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND STAFF FOR BOTH THE COMMUNITY PLAN AMENDMENT AS WELL AS THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE ZONING BYLAW. THERE'S ALSO GOING TO BE STATUTORY PUBLIC HEARINGS. SO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, I WANT THEM TO KNOW THAT THEY ACTUALLY WILL BE ABLE TO COME TO COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS BUT BEFORE THAT ESPECIALLY WHETHER IT'S ON PARKS AND TRAILS OR THE USES OF THAT LAND, THERE'S GOING TO BE A FORUM FOR THEM TO SIT DOWN AND SEE DIFFERENT OPTIONS, AND WE CAN TALK THROUGH WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE BEST OR IN THEIR OPINION, FOR THE USE OF THAT LAND. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT, COUNCILLOR COCHRANE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. NOTHING FURTHER. I'M JUST GLAD TO HEAR THAT ALL OF THIS IS NOW BEING CONSIDERED BY THE ADMINISTRATION. I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF WAY WE CAN INNOVATE THROUGH THIS PROCESS GOING FORWARD TO ADDRESS WHAT IS CLEARLY A WANT FROM THIS AREA, AND I'M GLAD THE PLANNERS ARE PLANNING. KEEP ON PLANNING AWAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANKS. COUNCILLOR. COCHRANE. JUST FOR MYSELF, LIKE COUNCILLOR COCHRANE. I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS MOVING FORWARD. JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR CLARITY. I MEAN, IT KIND OF CAME UP IN THE LAST CONVERSATION, SO BUT SOME OF THESE THINGS AND SOME HAVE ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED, BUT JUST TO CLARIFY. SO I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS THE CASE, BUT JUST TO CONFIRM THAT MOVING FORWARD ON THIS TODAY DOESN'T IN ANY WAY STOP ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AROUND IS THIS TRUCKED WATER OR NON TRUCKED WATER IN THE FUTURE? THAT CONVERSATION STILL PLAYS, AND AT WHAT POINT WOULD THAT COME INTO THE CONVERSATION AMONGST ALL THOSE MANY, MANY STEPS THAT MR. TRAGER WAS IDENTIFYING? SO THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. SO, SO I'M, I'M HOPEFUL THAT THE WHERE WE EXTEND SERVICES FOR FOR WATER DELIVERY IS A CONVERSATION THAT WILL BE HAPPENING FREQUENTLY OVER THE NEXT OVER THE NEXT LITTLE WHILE. THIS EXERCISE IN WHAT COUNCIL'S REVIEWING TODAY WITH THIS PARTICULAR ITEM IS IN PARALLEL TRACK WITH THAT, AND , AND I WOULD ARGUE SOMEWHAT INDEPENDENT OF THAT. THERE ARE NO THIS IS NOT GOING FORWARD WITH A PLAN OF LAYING PIPE THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE BACK QUARTER, BUT SHOULD THE DECISION BE TAKEN SUBSEQUENTLY IN ANOTHER CONVERSATION AND ANOTHER BUDGET REVIEW PROCESS AND POTENTIALLY WITH ANOTHER COUNCIL, THEN OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD ADJUST AND MAKE SURE THAT WE WOULD TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE OPPORTUNITIES ASSOCIATED WITH WITH THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT TODAY. GOING BACK TO THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION REALLY IS ABOUT GETTING COUNCIL STARTING TO THINK ABOUT OPPORTUNITIES IN THAT REGARD. THERE IS A LOT TO UNPACK WITH RESPECT TO, WHAT REVENUE COUNCIL BRINGS IN WITH RESPECT TO CAPITAL COSTS. HOW DO WE OFFSET THE, THE, THE, THE OVERHEAD COSTS OF ASSOCIATED WITH BRINGING IN ADDITIONAL PIPE OR EXTENDING ADDITIONAL PIPE WITHIN THE CITY? ACCESS TO OUR WATER TREATMENT FACILITY WITH RESPECT TO ADDITIONAL LINES AND CAPACITY THAT MIGHT BE REQUIRED. THOSE ARE SOME VERY LARGE QUESTIONS THAT WE WILL NEED TO TURN OUR ATTENTION TO IN DUE COURSE, AND I'M PLEASED TO SHARE WITH COUNCIL TODAY THAT WE ARE TURNING OUR ATTENTIONS TO WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE. WHETHER IT COINCIDES WITH THIS PARTICULAR AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS YET TO BE SEEN, AND WE DO NOT HAVE A DIRECT CONNECTION POINT BETWEEN THIS PARTICULAR STANDARD PLANNING PROCESS AND ANY LONG TERM PLANS THAT THE CITY MAY HAVE TO EXTEND WATER AND TRUCKS OR WATER AND SEWER SERVICES. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THAT, AND JUST ONE OTHER POINT THAT HAS BEEN REFERENCED, BUT JUST AGAIN, FOR FOR CLARITY, FOR ANY RESIDENTS WHO MAY BE WATCHING. SO REGARDING THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT DOCUMENT, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM DILLON IS TO IMPLEMENT MITIGATION MEASURES LIKE BUFFERS TO REDUCE NOISE NUISANCE OR TO REDUCE NUISANCES LIKE NOISE, DUST, ODORS. SO I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT AS PART OF THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN WORK, THAT'S PART OF THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT YOU'RE HAVING, AND AGAIN, AS THE DIRECTOR WHITE [01:20:02] MENTIONED THAT RESIDENTS CAN ALWAYS COME OUT AND PARTICIPATE IN THOSE PART OF THE CONVERSATIONS AS WELL. MR. VAN DINE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. ABSOLUTELY. THOSE THOSE FACTORS WILL CONTINUE TO BE A PART OF THE ANALYSIS THAT MOVES FORWARD IN THE PLANNING PROCESS, AS THOSE ARE BEST PRACTICES. THANK YOU. PERFECT, AND ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES? COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND THANKS EVERYONE FOR THEIR QUESTIONS AND STAFF FOR THE ANSWERS. YEAH. ALSO IN FAVOR OF MOVING FORWARD WITH AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN, HOWEVER SOME SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT WILDFIRE AND URBAN FIRE PROTECTION THAT I'M LOOKING TO BE ADDRESSED BEFORE MOVING BEYOND THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE JUST WANTED TO VOICE MY SUPPORT FOR CONCEPT A IN THE MARKET DEMAND ANALYSIS AND SORT OF A LIGHTER TOUCH IN GENERAL BOTH FOR REDUCED ENVIRONMENTAL CHALLENGES AS WELL AS REDUCED COSTS. AS PART OF THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN, I'D ALSO LOOK FOR ASPECTS THAT TAILOR SPECIFIC AREAS OF THE LAND FOR AGRICULTURAL USE, AND ADDRESSES SOME OF THE CHALLENGES FACED BY RESIDENTS WORKING IN THIS AREA. FOOD SECURITY WILL CONTINUE TO BE AN ONGOING CHALLENGE FOR NORTHERNERS, AND IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ALL THAT GOVERNMENT, TO TAKE STEPS TO ADDRESS IT. THEY'RE KNOWLEDGEABLE AND ENGAGED RESIDENTS WE MUST WORK WITH, AND THEIR WISDOM MUST BE LEVERAGED AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA. THANKS FOR QUESTIONS AROUND WORK ON THIS VERSUS WORK ON INFILL. GLAD TO HEAR THEY DON'T CANCEL EACH OTHER OUT OR TAKE ONE AWAY FROM THE OTHER. VERY MUCH LOOKING FORWARD TO THE RESIDENTIAL INFILL WORK TO COME. THANKS TO STAFF FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND THE PRESENTATION TODAY. IT WAS VERY HELPFUL TO US AND TO RESIDENTS WHO ATTENDED THE ENGAGEMENT SESSIONS. THANK YOU FOR DOING SO, AND ONE FINAL NOTE TO ALL RESIDENTS WHO ARE LOOKING TO BUY A PROPERTY IN THE CITY. I'D ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK THROUGH THE COMMUNITY PLAN, ZONING BYLAW, AND THE END. USE THE CITY EXPLORER WEBSITE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS PERMISSIBLE AND PLANNED ON FOR THE SURROUNDING AREA BEFORE BUYING A PROPERTY. THESE DOCUMENTS, AS THEY EXIST, PROVIDE A SOLID UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT DEVELOPMENT MAY TAKE PLACE ADJACENT TO YOUR PROPERTY AND IF RESIDENTS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AROUND THOSE DOCUMENTS OR HOW TO USE THEM, DON'T HESITATE TO REACH OUT, AND I LOVE USING CITY EXPLORER, SO ALWAYS HELPFUL OR ALWAYS WELCOME TO WALK SOMEONE THROUGH IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. RESIDENTS OF YELLOWKNIFE. PERSONAL GIS CONSULTANT, COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN I LIKE IT. THANKS FOR THAT. SO WITH THAT, I SEE GENERAL SUPPORT FOR MOVING THIS FORWARD. SO THIS WILL COME FORWARD AT A FUTURE MEETING. NEXT, OUR NEXT ITEM IS AN IN-CAMERA ITEM, WHICH IS A MEMORANDUM REGARDING WHETHER TO APPOINT [IN CAMERA] MEMBERS TO SERVE ON THE COMMUNITY ADVISORY BOARD ON HOMELESSNESS. CAN I GET A MOTION TO MOVE IN- CAMERA. COUNCILLOR PAQUETTE, SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR ARDEN-SMITH. WE'LL GO IN- CAMERA. SO MOVING OUT OF IN-CAMERA, WE HAVE TWO APPOINTMENTS TO THE COMMUNITY ADVISORY BOARD, WHICH WE WILL BRING FORWARD AT OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, AND THAT'S WILBUR COOK REPRESENTING THE POSITION FOR INDIGENOUS PEOPLES AND ORGANIZATIONS, FRIENDSHIP CENTERS OR INDIGENOUS HOUSING ORGANIZATIONS, AND MARK HIKE, REPRESENTING YELLOWKNIFE BUSINESS, AND THE POSITION FOR A PERSON WITH LIVED EXPERIENCE WILL REFER THAT BACK TO ADMINISTRATION AT THIS TIME. SO WE'LL BRING THAT FORWARD AT OUR NEXT MEETING ON APRIL 28TH, 2025. WITH THAT, WE COME TO THE END OF OUR MEETING. CAN I GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN? COUNCILLOR ARDEN-SMITH, AND THAT'S IT. WE WILL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK. THANKS, EVERYONE. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.