[1. Opening Statement]
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FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL, IT HAS BEEN THE TRADITIONAL LAND OF THE YELLOWKNIVES DENE FIRST NATION.
WE RESPECT THE HISTORIES, LANGUAGES AND CULTURES OF ALL OTHER INDIGENOUS PEOPLES, INCLUDING THE NORTH SLAVE METIS AND ALL FIRST NATIONS, METIS AND INUIT, WHOSE PRESENCE CONTINUES TO ENRICH OUR VIBRANT COMMUNITY.
[2. Approval of the agenda.]
WE HAVE NOTHING FURTHER TO ADD TO THE AGENDA, IT'S JUST BUDGET.[3. Disclosure of conflict of interest and the general nature thereof.]
NEXT, WE HAVE DISCLOSURE OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND THE GENERAL NATURE THEREOF.BUT JUST IN CASE WE DO, I HAVE A CONFLICT ON THAT ONE.
ANYTHING FURTHER? IF SOMETHING DOES COME UP, YOU CAN ALWAYS CALL IT THEN.
[4. 2025 Budget Deliberations.]
SO, 2025 BUDGET DELIBERATIONS.MR. VAN DINE IF YOU'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE ITEM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
YOU'VE NOW HAD THE DRAFT BUDGET BEFORE YOU FOR A LITTLE BIT OF TIME AND HAVE GENERATED A WHOLE SERIES OF QUESTIONS THAT ADMINISTRATION IS KEEN TO RESPOND TO. TOTALING A NUMBER OF NORTH OF 122 OR MORE QUESTIONS THAT WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO RESPOND TO IN A, IN A TIMELY AND AND ACCURATE MANNER. WITH THAT, THOSE QUERIES, THOUGH, WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SOME ADDITIONAL PRESENTATIONS TO COUNCIL AS PART OF GPC TO COVER A NUMBER OF THEMES THAT HAVE COME OUT, EMERGED FROM THOSE QUESTIONS.
AND IF YOU MAY, I WOULD I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT FOUR.
THE FIRST PRESENTATION WOULD BE WITH RESPECT TO OUR AN EMERGING ISSUE WITH PUBLIC SAFETY.
THIS PRESENTATION WILL BE MADE BY OUR DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SAFETY, MR. CRAIG MCLEAN, AND OUR FORMER MANAGER OF MUNICIPAL ENFORCEMENT, MR. MITCHELL ROLAND. THEY WILL DISCUSS WITH COUNCIL THE RISING PUBLIC SAFETY RISKS THAT HAVE ARISEN OVER THE SUMMER MONTHS THAT HAVE RESULTED IN A CONCRETE THAT HAVE RESULTED IN A CONCRETE BUDGET SUBMISSION TO ADDRESS THE ENFORCEMENT OF OUR BYLAW FOR THE LICENSING, CONTROL AND PROTECTION OF DOGS WITHIN THE CITY.
THIS THE CONSIDERATIONS OF SHIFTING TO A NEW APPROACH AND WHAT A NEW APPROACH MIGHT LOOK LIKE, ARE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT SINCE THE WINTER BEGAN. THIS PRESENTATION WILL BE PROVIDED BY MR. CHRIS GREENCORN, MY DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.
AND FINALLY, WE HAVE A FOURTH PRESENTATION THAT I WILL DELIVER WITH WITH RESPECT TO OUR OVERALL REQUESTS FOR NEW POSITIONS, POSITION ADJUSTMENTS WITHIN THE CURRENT SALARY BUDGETS, AND THE RATIONALE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
THIS PRESENTATION WILL BE DELIVERED IN COLLABORATION WITH WITH MY MANAGEMENT TEAM.
THE FIRST BEING THAT THIS IS MY FIRST CITY BUDGET SINCE ASSUMING MY DUTIES ON AUGUST 6TH, AND I COULD NOT THINK OF A BETTER ONBOARDING PROCESS IN MY FIRST 100 DAYS OF MY POSITION TO LOOK UNDER THE HOOD AND CHECK THE MUNICIPAL ENGINE.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
SECOND, YELLOWKNIFE IS A REMARKABLE CITY THAT MUST WEAR MANY HATS.
IT'S THE TERRITORIAL CAPITAL AND CENTRE OF DECISION MAKING FOR THE ENTIRE TERRITORY.
ANOTHER HAT IS IT IS THE TERRITORY'S LARGEST INDIGENOUS COMMUNITY WITHIN THE NORTHWEST TERRITORIES, WITH OVER 5,000 RESIDENTS OR CLOSE TO 25% OF OUR POPULATION IDENTIFYING AS MEMBERS OF THE OF THE INDIGENOUS COMMUNITY.
WE ARE FORTUNATE TO HAVE RESIDENTS FROM ALL ACROSS THE TERRITORY, INCLUDING BENEFICIARIES OF THE INUVIALUIT, GWITCHIN, SAHTU, TLICHO, SALT RIVER FIRST NATION AND THOSE CURRENTLY NEGOTIATING THEIR TREATIES, INCLUDING THE NORTH SLAVE METIS ALLIANCE, MEMBERS OF THE DEH CHO, THE AKAITCHO FIRST NATIONS, AS WELL AS, OF COURSE, OUR NEIGHBORS, THE YELLOWKNIVES FIRST NATION. ANOTHER HAT IS WE ARE ALSO THE LOGISTICS CAPITAL OF THE TERRITORY, SERVING THE MINING INDUSTRY AND EXPLORATION AND DEVELOPMENT THROUGH BOTH AIR SERVICES, ENGINEERING, ENVIRONMENTAL EXPERTISE AS WELL AS EXPEDITING.
AND WE ALSO SERVE NUNAVUT TWO.
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NORTHWEST TERRITORIES, CONTRIBUTING THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF TERRITORIAL GDP.MOREOVER, WE ARE ALSO THE MULTICULTURAL CAPITAL OF THE TERRITORY, WELCOMING COMMUNITIES FROM AROUND THE WORLD AS NEW IMMIGRANTS TO THE TERRITORIES AND TO CANADA. AND THERE ARE ALSO HATS THAT MORE HATS THAT WE CAN SPEAK OF WITH RESPECT TO TOURISM, HEALTH SERVICES, EDUCATION, ARTS AND CULTURE.
THIS BUDGET HAS A WORKING TITLE, FOUNDATIONS FOR GROWTH.
IT IS AN IMPORTANT STEP FOR YELLOWKNIFE AND ITS ONGOING JOURNEY TOWARDS THE VISION OF A WELCOMING, INCLUSIVE AND PROSPEROUS COMMUNITY WITH A STRONG SENSE OF PRIDE IN OUR UNIQUE HISTORY, CULTURE AND NATURAL BEAUTY.
WE HOPE THIS BUDGET, ONCE APPROVED, SETS YELLOWKNIFE ON A PATH, A POSITIVE PATH OF IDENTIFYING OPPORTUNITIES AND DELIVERING A GROWING AND DIVERSE TAX BASE TO CONTINUE TO OFFER YELLOWKNIFE AND NEWCOMERS AN ATTRACTIVE QUALITY OF LIFE.
GOVERNING IS ABOUT MAKING CHOICES.
THE CHOICES BEFORE YOU AT BUDGET TIME ARE SELDOM EASY.
EASY AND QUICK CAN BE EXPENSIVE AND PAINFUL IN THE LONG TERM.
WE BEGAN THIS BUDGET BUILDING SEASON WITH A PRESENTATION BY MR. KAVI PANDOO ON NOVEMBER 12TH.
REVENUE PROJECTIONS OF APPROXIMATELY $110 MILLION.
EXPENDITURES OF A OF APPROXIMATELY $143.8 MILLION, AND LONG TERM FORECASTS FOR THE WATER AND SEWER FUND CAPITAL FUNDS ARE TRENDING TOWARDS DEFICIT SITUATIONS. THE PROPOSED BUDGET, EXCUSE ME, THE PROPOSED BUDGET CLOSES THE GAP WITH AN 8.5% INCREASE, UP FROM 7.06 PROJECTED LAST YEAR.
OUR ADDITIONAL PRESENTATION THIS EVENING IS OUR OFFER TO ENSURE YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED.
THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO INVITE MR. MCLEAN AND MR. ROLAND.
GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR PERSON AND COUNCIL, THANKS FOR ALLOWING ME TO START OFF THIS BUDGET 2025 WITH A GREAT DISCUSSION AROUND OUR DOG POUND AND HOW WE IMPOUND DOGS IN THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE.
I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY EVERYONE KNOWS THAT YELLOWKNIFE IS A DOG COMMUNITY.
WE NEED TO REVIEW HOW DOGS ARE IMPOUNDED, CARED FOR, AND REUNITED WITH OWNERS.
OUR MUNICIPAL ENFORCEMENT DIVISION HISTORICALLY HAS RELIED ON PRIVATE CONTRACTORS FOR THIS SERVICE.
HOWEVER, IN 2024, THE CLIMATE FOR THIS SERVICE PROVISION HAS CHANGED.
INCREASED DEMANDS IN THE SERVICE PROVISION WITH A LONG TIME PARTNER AND STAFFING CAPACITY ISSUES WITH THAT PARTNER HAS LED TO A LONG END OF A LONG STANDING SERVICE AGREEMENT.
WE HAVE TEMPORARILY BEEN ABLE TO FIND A PARTNER TO TAKE ON THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR DOG IMPOUNDMENT, HOWEVER, THIS IS NOT A PERMANENT SOLUTION. SO TO DELVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO THIS ITEM.
SORRY. IN MAY OF 2024, THE CONTRACT WAS TERMINATED WITH OUR LONG STANDING CONTRACTOR.
WE DID AT THAT TIME, AS I SAY, ESTABLISH A TEMPORARY SERVICE PROVISION.
WE HAD ALSO SIMULTANEOUSLY GONE OUT FOR A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL TO ENGAGE IN THE COMMUNITY TO SEE WHO IS INTERESTED IN TAKING OVER THIS SERVICE ON BEHALF OF THE CITY.
NO BIDS WERE RECEIVED AT THAT TIME, AND MORE RECENTLY, THROUGH DISCUSSIONS, WE'VE PUT OUT AN EXPRESSION OF INTEREST FOR THE SERVICE IN NOVEMBER TO GAUGE THE BROADER COMMUNITY PERSPECTIVE FOR ALL TYPES OF SERVICE PROVIDERS, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN A MOMENT HERE.
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WE HAD ONE PROPONENT, AND THEY WERE A COMPANY OUT OF ONTARIO.I SHOULD ADD THAT AT ANY POINT IN TIME YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, YOU CAN FEEL FREE TO ASK THEM.
I WON'T WAIT TILL THE END TO ENGAGE WITH QUESTIONS IF YOU CHOOSE.
SO THE OUTLINE OF THE DISCUSSION TODAY IS WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT OUR CURRENT SITUATION.
SO, AS I'VE ALLUDED TO, THE SAME CONTRACTOR HAS BEEN USED SINCE THE AT LEAST THE 1990S BASED ON THE HISTORICAL INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE. IN 2023, WE HAD 767 LICENSED DOGS, 537 YEAR TO DATE IN 2024. AND WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF UNLICENSED DOGS WITHIN THE CITY.
THE PREVIOUS CONTRACTOR NOT ONLY DID IMPOUNDMENT SERVICES, BUT THEY ALSO DID DOG LICENSING.
SO WITH THE LOSS OF THEM, IT'S INSPECTED THAT IT COULD LEAD TO INCREASED LOSS OF DOG LICENSES, PEOPLE REGISTERING THEIR DOGS IN THE CITY, WHICH COULD LEAD TO MORE COMPLAINTS AND SUBSEQUENTLY MORE IMPOUNDMENT.
OUR SERVICE COSTS HAVE BEEN ON AVERAGE FROM $27,000 TO $30,000 OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.
YEAR TO DATE IN 2024, ALMOST $63,000.
THAT COST ALSO INVOLVED A A COURT ISSUE THAT WE HAD TO DEAL WITH SOME COST INVOLVED IN THAT COURT CASE, SO.
WE'RE SAYING THAT THE CITY OWNED DOG POUND ALLEVIATES THESE FLUCTUATING COSTS IN THESE SITUATIONS.
AND EVERY YEAR OUR NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS HAVE BEEN GOING UP: 236 2022, 298 2023 AND 403 SO FAR THIS YEAR, AND WE STILL HAVE A MONTH TO GO.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A DOG POUND AND WHAT TYPE OF SERVICE AND FACILITY WE'RE LOOKING TO PROVIDE IS A DOG POUND IS A MINIMUM SERVICE LEVEL THAT RETAINS ANIMALS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LEGISLATION AND BYLAW REQUIREMENTS.
MOST POUNDS IN CANADA ARE USUALLY RUN BY A MUNICIPALITY OR A CITY.
THEIR GOAL IS MORE TO SAVE AS MANY ANIMALS AS POSSIBLE AND FIND LOVING HOMES FOR THEM.
SUCH AN ORGANIZATION SUCH AS THE SPCA IN THIS COMMUNITY IS AN EXAMPLE.
COST WITH THAT TYPE OF FACILITY AND SERVICE ARE HIGHER, OF COURSE.
AND THEN SOME OTHER PARTNERS THAT THAT ARE POTENTIAL ARE DOG KENNELS OR DOG BOARDING FACILITIES.
AND ONCE AGAIN, THE COSTS ARE NORMALLY HIGHER WITH THOSE TYPES OF SERVICES.
SO WHAT ARE SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS AND CHALLENGES WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
SO WHAT'S THE SERVICE EXPECTATION.
WE KEEP DOGS FOR FIVE DAYS AND THEN OUR BYLAWS SAYS WE EITHER GET RID OF THEM DISPOSE OF THEM.
YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THAT, BE IT WHAT IT IS, LOCAL ADOPTION, VETERINARY CARE.
SOME DOGS ARE INJURED WE APPLY CARE.
WE KNOW THAT VETERINARY DEMANDS WITHIN THE CITY ARE HIGH RIGHT NOW.
SO THROUGH THAT SERVICE, EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY ARE PROVIDING THE THE DOG CONTROL.
AND RIGHT NOW, THE NUMBER OR TYPES, I SHOULD SAY OF DOG INCIDENTS THAT WE DEAL WITH ARE LOST DOGS OR AT LARGE DOGS, ABANDONED, NEGLECTED, ABUSED, VICIOUS AND QUARANTINED DOGS.
SO THE LONGER THE DOGS RETAIN, THE HIGHER THE COST.
IMPOUNDMENT, LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, IT'S NOT CONSIDERED THE SAME AS BOARDING A DOG.
HIGHER NUMBER OF DOG COMPLAINTS.
OBVIOUSLY RESULTS IN HIGHER COSTS AND COST OF SPACE.
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OUR ORIGINAL CONTRACTOR, WE WERE PAYING FOR SECUREMENT OF THREE SPACES.OUR CURRENT TEMPORARY AGREEMENT IS FOR TWO SPACES.
RESIDENTS NEED AND EXPECT A REASONABLE COST FOR SERVICE.
RIGHT NOW IT'S $100 A DAY PLUS $25 ADDITIONAL IF WE RAISE ANYTHING SUBSTANTIALLY ABOVE THAT AMOUNT, YOU CAN SEE WHERE RESIDENTS MIGHT BE CONCERNED.
AND CONTACT TOWARDS SERVICE PROVIDERS OVER FRUSTRATION WITH THE SITUATION.
SO OFTEN WHAT WE FIND IS PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED THAT THEIR DOG AND THEY TEND TO HAVE BEHAVIORS TOWARDS SERVICE PROVIDERS THAT LEADS PEOPLE TO MAY NOT WANT TO TAKE ON A FULLY BURDENED SERVICE.
SO THE KEY QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US IS, DO WE CONTRACT OR DO WE GO WITH A CITY OWNED RESOURCE? AN ABSENCE OF OUR OF A CONTRACT RIGHT NOW LEAVES US EXPOSED.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE ABLE TO DEAL WITH RESIDENT COMPLAINTS AND SECURE DOGS, BUT THAT MAY NOT BE A POSSIBLE SHOULD NO SPACES BE INVOLVED, OR THE TEMPORARY SERVICE PROVIDER DECIDES THAT THEY NO LONGER WANTS TO PROVIDE TEMPORARY SERVICE.
AND ARE WE MEETING THE EXPECTATIONS OF OUR RESIDENTS.
A CITY OWNED FACILITY GUARANTEES A CONTINUITY OF SERVICE.
FOR THAT PURPOSE OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO PROCEED WITH OUR CAPITAL BUDGET SUBMISSION TO PURCHASE A POUND AND SUPPORT THE THE BASIC CARE REQUIRED OF THAT WITH OUR MED OFFICERS, FOR WHICH OUR CURRENT STAFF WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT.
AND I WOULD OPEN IT UP NOW TO ANY QUESTIONS.
I'M WONDERING IF YOU HAVE ANY NUMBERS OR IDEA OF WHAT IT WOULD COST TO PURCHASE A POUND.
I IMAGINE WE MIGHT HAVE TO ALSO RETROFIT IT.
OR IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE.
THAT'S THE $550 IN THE BUDGET, CORRECT? CORRECT. PLUS THE $45,000 ANNUAL PLUS TWO PYS.
JUST TO JUST TO CLARITY, THOUGH, THE PYS WOULDN'T BE A 100% BURDEN ON THE POUND OPERATION.
THEY WOULD BE IT WOULD BE A PART OF OUR TASK.
OUR CURRENT AND ADDITIONAL STAFF WOULD TAKE ON.
SORRY. JUST I GUESS MAYBE WHAT I WAS ASKING WAS IF, DOES THAT INCLUDE A RENT, LIKE A RENOVATION OR RETROFIT COST? OR IS IT JUST FOR PURCHASE OF A FACILITY? THANKS FOR THE QUESTION COUNCILLOR MCGURK.
OUR OUR PROPOSAL INCLUDES A PREFAB PRE-CONSTRUCTED UNIT.
I BELIEVE THERE'S 16 KENNEL SPACES IN IT.
IT WOULD BE MODULARIZED, PURCHASED FROM THE SUPPLIER OR A SUPPLIER WHEN WE GO OUT FOR A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL ON IT OR A TENDER, AND IT WOULD BE SHIPPED TO SITE AND THEN SET UP UTILITIES CONNECTED AND THEN RUN FROM THAT LOCATION.
COUNCILLOR FEQUET THEN COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. AND THANKS, CRAIG FOR THE PRESENTATION.
RECOGNIZING THE TIMING IS TRICKY BECAUSE IT'S ONLY DECEMBER 2ND AND I UNDERSTAND THE BIDS.
THE EXPRESSIONS FOR INTEREST CLOSED ON NOVEMBER 29TH.
ARE YOU ABLE TO SPEAK TO WHETHER WE RECEIVED ANY EXPRESSIONS OF INTEREST? YEAH. THANKS FOR THE QUESTION, COUNCILLOR FEQUET.
WE DID RECEIVE ONE EXPRESSION OF INTEREST THAT WAS FROM A COMPANY OUT OF ONTARIO.
LIKE I SAID, OUR PROCUREMENT DIVISION IS VALIDATING THAT.
THERE WAS ANOTHER THERE WAS INTEREST FROM A COMMUNITY PROVIDER.
BUT THEY DID NOT SUBMIT A PROPOSAL DUE TO THE TIME REQUIREMENT ONLY.
THANKS FOR THAT. AND JUST TO CONFIRM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS CORRECT FROM THE DATE OF THE DOCUMENTS ON THAT BID AND TENDERS PAGE, DID IT ONLY GO OUT FOR TWO WEEKS? THAT IS CORRECT.
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OPERATING THE POUND? GREAT QUESTION. THANK YOU.SO THE PROPOSAL THAT WE'VE WE'VE SUBMITTED IS BASED ON A NUNAVIK DOG POUND OPERATION.
AND I GUESS I WOULD ASK FORMER MUNICIPAL ENFORCEMENT MANAGER MITCHELL ROLAND TO STEP UP.
HE ACTUALLY WORKED AT THAT FACILITY AND PROVIDE A LOT OF THE OPERATIONAL KNOWLEDGE FOR IT.
SO MAYBE MITCHELL, YOU CAN SPEAK A LITTLE TO MR. SORRY COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN QUESTION.
SORRY, I HOPE I DIDN'T FORGET EVERYTHING IN THE LAST THREE DAYS THAT I WASN'T HERE, BUT YEAH.
GREAT QUESTION. SO, SO LIKE THE TOWN OF NUNAVIK HAS, HAS TWO BYLAW OFFICERS BASICALLY, OR MED OFFICERS, AND THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR RUNNING A 12 POUND OR 12 KENNEL DOG POUND.
IN THIS MODEL LIKE CRAIG HAD MENTIONED, IT WOULD BE A 16 KENNEL DOG POUND SUPPOSEDLY.
AND THEN THE IDEA WAS LOOKING AT AN EXISTING KIND OF RESOURCE.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S ADDITIONAL PYS HERE, BUT LIKE, I THINK CRAIG CAN ELABORATE ON A LITTLE BIT LATER.
BUT USING PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY THERE, THEY'RE USUALLY THE ONES IMPOUNDING THE DOG.
SO DOING IT WHILE YOU'RE THERE, IMPOUNDING THE DOG.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE ESTIMATING IT TO BE A BIG STRAIN ON OFFICERS.
IF YOU WANT TO SHARE THE HOURS SO WE WE LOOK AT STAFF TIME.
I THINK WE'RE THINKING 25 HOURS A MONTH.
IS THE ESTIMATE ON STAFF TIME THAT IT WOULD TAKE SO LESS THAN ONE HOUR A DAY, ESSENTIALLY.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, IF THERE'S ONE DOG IMPOUNDED, THEN THAT TIME WILL BE REDUCED.
SO AND THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF BEING GENEROUS WITH THAT.
IN NUNAVIK, IT TOOK US AGAIN WE HAD IT FULL LOT ALL THE TIME.
NOT ALL THE TIME, BUT MOST OF THE TIME.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE KIND OF BASE THAT ON, SO.
PERFECT. FIRST OF ALL, I'M GLAD I ASKED THE QUESTION.
GOOD TO SEE YOU BACK. BUT I GUESS THE OTHER QUESTION IS, ARE THERE OTHER COMMUNITIES OTHER THAN NUNAVIK, LIKE, MORE THE SIZE OF YELLOWKNIFE, WHERE THIS SORT OF OPERATION HAPPENS, WHERE IT'S LIKE AN MED OFFICER? BECAUSE I GET INUVIK CITY OF 3,000 PEOPLE OR COMMUNITY OF 3,000 PEOPLE, AS OPPOSED TO YELLOWKNIFE CITY OF OVER 20,000.
GREAT QUESTION. SO FROM THE RESEARCH WE DID ON COMPARATORS IT'S KIND OF A 50/50.
SOME PLACES ARE RUNNING A MODEL LIKE THIS WHERE THEY'RE USING STAFF TO OFFSET THE CARE.
SO WHAT WE HAVE FOUND HERE IS WITH CAPACITY IN THE COMMUNITY, THERE MAY NOT BE THAT AVAILABILITY OF PARTNERSHIP. DEPUTY MAYOR COCHRANE AND THEN COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, YOUR WORSHIP. AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION, CRAIG.
MY QUESTION IS IN PURSUANT TO SECTION 51 C OF THE DOG BYLAW, AS IN THE DOG POUND OR THE POUND KEEPER IS RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE DISPOSAL OF THE ANIMAL. WOULD WE INTEND TO HAVE THE DISPOSAL OF THE ANIMAL SERVICES WITH IN HOUSE, OR ARE YOU PLANNING TO CONTRACT THAT OUT? THANK YOU. I WANT TO START OFF BY SAYING THAT DISPOSAL DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN PUTTING DOWN A DOG OR EUTHANASIA.
AND I THINK WELL BEFORE THAT AS WELL.
SO WHAT THAT MEANS IN FROM ON, YOU KNOW, HISTORICALLY IN THE LAST MY TIME WITH MED, WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN IS EITHER THE POUND KEEPER THAT, YOU KNOW, UP TO THIS YEAR WAS A CONTRACTOR.
SO WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, I THINK HERE, CRAIG CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT AT A CITY OWNED FACILITY, IT WOULD BE WORKING WITH COMMUNITY PARTNERS LIKE THE SPCA ON SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT THAT WAS ALREADY IN PLACE PREVIOUSLY WITH THE OTHER SERVICE PROVIDER.
TO HAVE THESE ANIMALS TRANSFERRED AFTER THE FIVE DAYS.
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BUT YEAH.THAT MAY BE A REQUIREMENT, BUT IT'S NOT A CONSTANT.
THERE'S ISSUES AND TIMES DEALING WITH CERTAIN DOGS WHERE YES, YOU MAY NEED VETERINARY SERVICES.
YES, YOU MAY HAVE AN OWNER THAT DOESN'T COME TO CLAIM THEIR DOG, BUT THE FREQUENCY OF THAT OCCURRING IS LOST IS VERY INFREQUENT COMPARED TO OWNERS COMING TO RETRIEVE THEIR DOGS ONCE IT'S BEEN IMPOUNDED.
SO VERY CORRECT THOSE SITUATIONS COULD ARISE.
THE FREQUENCY HISTORICALLY HAS BEEN VERY MINIMAL ON THOSE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.
JUST WONDERING IF EITHER DURING THE RFP OR EXPRESSION OF INTEREST, THERE WAS ANY EXPLORATION INTERNALLY OR WITH PARTNERS IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT LIKE A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, WHERE THE CITY WOULD EITHER HAVE SOMETHING IN THE CONTRACT THAT WOULD MAKE IT MAKE SENSE FOR THESE ORGANIZATIONS TO TAKE ON THE SERVICE, OR THE CITY PUTS IN SOME CAPITAL TO ALLOW SERVICE PROVIDERS TO EXPAND, TO EXPAND THEIR FACILITY.
WE'VE HAD VARIOUS CONVERSATIONS THE HESITANCY IN ENGAGING IN THAT, TO BE QUITE HONEST, IS THAT THAT DOESN'T PUT US ANY FURTHER AHEAD SHOULD THAT ORGANIZATION SUDDENLY DECIDE TO NOT WANT TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE ANYMORE, WHICH LED TO US RIGHT NOW.
THERE IS A RISK THAT ANYONE PULLS OUT OF A CONTRACT AT ANY POINT IN TIME THAT LEAVES US HOLDING OUR HANDS WITH, HOW DO WE IMPOUND THE ANIMALS? WHERE DO WE TAKE THEM? YOU KNOW, CAN WE EVEN TAKE THEM? MAYBE WE CAN'T EVEN BE ABLE TO PICK THEM UP IF WE DON'T HAVE A LOCATION.
SO YES, THERE'S BEEN CONVERSATIONS THERE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL, HOW MUCH IT WOULD BE OR WHAT PERCENTAGE IT WOULD BE SUBSIDIZED BY TAXPAYERS, LIKE MONEY AND FROM FINES, MONEY GOING OUT TO PAY FOR THIS.
LIKE, DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA ABOUT THE SUBSIDY PERCENTAGE? I DO NOT HAVE THOSE SPECIFICS ON ME.
AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE HESITANCY OF MAKING PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE IN PAYING THE FULL AMOUNT TO THEIR DOG. FOR LIKE DOGS THAT ARE ON THE LOOSE.
SO I THINK A HIGHER AMOUNT WOULD ACTUALLY KEEP PEOPLE FROM LETTING THEIR DOGS OUT SO MUCH.
HERE YOU GO. LIKE IT'S WE NEVER HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS WHEN IT COMES TO RAISING PARKING METER.
LIKE WE'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT PEOPLE'S FEELINGS DURING THAT TIME.
BUT NOW, BECAUSE IT'S DOGS, WE'RE ALL OF A SUDDEN UPSET ABOUT MAKING PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT MAD.
AND THE FEES AND CHARGES BYLAW DOES SAY WE'LL CHARGE FULL COST RECOVERY.
SO THERE IS THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR DOG IMPOUNDMENT FEES AND CHARGES BYLAW SAYS FULL COST RECOVERY.
MR. ROLAND, DID YOU HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT QUESTION? IT WAS KIND OF A STATEMENT, BUT IF YOU HAVE AN ANSWER TO KIND OF HAVE A, I GUESS, MORE INFORMATION TO SHARE OR RELEVANCY FOR THIS.
SO THE WAY IT WORKED BEFORE IS OBVIOUSLY WE PAID A CONTRACTOR A MONTHLY FEE.
AND THEN ANYTHING THAT THEY COLLECTED IN REGARDS TO IMPOUND FEES, THEY GOT HALF OF THAT.
SO THAT SO UNDER THIS MODEL, BASED ON PREVIOUS NUMBERS, WE WOULD SAVE ABOUT $40,000.
WE AGAIN, THE CITY WOULD SAVE $40,000 A YEAR.
AND THEN SO IN ADDITION TO THAT, IS THAT AS FOR DOG POUND FEES OR IMPOUND FEES OR PENALTIES IMPOSED, IS THAT WE FOUND THAT IF FEES ARE TOO HIGH, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SAY, I DON'T WANT MY DOG BACK AND THE DOG WILL BE LEFT IN OUR CARE, AND THEN WE'RE PAYING FOR IT ANYWAY.
SO SOMETHING THAT THE BYLAW DOES SAY COST RECOVERY FEES WILL BE CHARGED BASED ON COST RECOVERY.
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TO COST US TO RENT THOSE TWO KENNELS PER DAY, AND ESTIMATING THAT, LET'S SAY THOSE TWO KENNELS WERE FILLED EVERY SINGLE 30 DAYS OUT OF THE MONTH, 31 DAYS, AND THEN CHARGING THOSE FEES BASED ON THAT.AND THEN THAT WAS THAT KIND OF FORMULATED LIKE THAT.
SO THAT RIGHT NOW WE'RE STILL IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE FEES AND CHARGES BYLAW.
BUT THE YEAH. SO WE'RE ESTIMATING SAVINGS, I GUESS $40,000 COMPARED TO THE PREVIOUS MODEL WITH A TOTALLY CITY RUN SERVICE CURRENTLY.
SO THEY'RE TAKING PAYMENTS, THEY'RE BRINGING DOGS BACK TO THE OWNERS IN THE PATROL CARS, WHICH TAKES UP MORE STAFF TIME BECAUSE THE CONTRACT IS ACTUALLY SAID SO THAT WE DON'T WANT TO BE IDENTIFIED AS THE DOG POUND.
WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE COMING HERE.
WE WANT TO HAVE NO INTERACTION WITH THE DOG OWNERS.
THE AGREEMENT WAS THAT WE'LL DO ALL THE ADMIN WORK.
WE'LL TAKE THE PAYMENTS, THEY'LL GET THEIR MONTHLY FEE.
THEY'RE NOT GETTING HALF OF WHAT WE CHARGE.
THE CITY IS NOW GETTING ALL THAT MONEY THAT'S BEING CHARGED.
IN ADDITION TO THE IMPOUND FEES, WHICH PREVIOUSLY IT WAS RARE THAT THAT HAPPENED.
SO I HOPE THAT KIND OF I WAS ABLE TO SHARE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.
ACTUALLY VERY SIMILAR QUESTION TO WHAT COUNCILLOR PAYNE JUST ASKED.
I WAS JUST WONDERING IF WE COULD GET IT BACK OF THE NAPKIN, THE BUSINESS PLAN IN AND OUT THE REVENUE, BECAUSE IF IT'S TRUE THAT A FACILITY IS NEEDED THAT'S WHAT THE $550,000 IS IN THE BUDGET FOR.
I'M I SUSPECT THAT THERE ARE LOCAL PROVIDERS WHO WOULD WITH THAT MONEY OR EVEN A SMALLER PORTION OF THAT MONEY COULD PROVIDE FACILITIES WHERE THEY ALREADY HAVE ECONOMIES OF SCALE, LIKE STAFF THAT ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING DURING DOWNTIME.
AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I MEANT WHEN WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT LEVERAGING THE COMMUNITY DURING OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSIONS ABOUT THERE'S ALREADY PEOPLE TRYING TO EARN A LIVING RUNNING A BUSINESS.
AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S PROBABLY A MORE OPTIMAL WAY TO DO THIS.
SO I APPRECIATE THOSE NUMBERS.
JUST WONDERING IF WE COULD GET THEM IN SOME FORM.
AND I DON'T MEAN WE'LL GET THEM CIRCULATED VIA WRITING.
SO THEN WE'LL HAVE IT ON HAND.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS PRESENTATION? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. VAN DINE, THE NEXT PRESENTATION.
WE'D LIKE TO MOVE NOW TO THE DISCUSSION AROUND SNOW REMOVAL.
IT'S WE'RE LOOKING TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW.
AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUS, I'D LIKE TO INVITE MR. GREENCORN TO COME COME FORWARD.
WE'RE HOPING TO TOUCH A FEW POINTS IN THIS PRESENTATION ABOUT THE PROCESS ITSELF, AS WELL AS SOME ADAPTATIONS THAT ARE UNDERWAY AND A PROPOSAL ON THAT WOULD LIKE COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION OF IN 2025.
SO I'D LIKE TO ALERT THAT OUR OBJECTIVE HERE IS TO ESSENTIALLY BROADEN COUNCIL'S AND THE PUBLIC'S UNDERSTANDING OF THE ISSUE AND THE INTERCONNECTEDNESS AROUND MANY MOVING PARTS WITH RESPECT TO SNOW REMOVAL IN OUR COMMUNITIES SO, MR. GREENCORN. THANK YOU, MR. VAN DINE, AND THANK YOU, COUNCIL, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW OF SNOW REMOVAL, EXISTING PRACTICES, SOME OF THE RESEARCH WE'VE DONE, SOME OF THE EXTENSIVE VIDEO WATCHING I'VE COMPLETED IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS, WHICH I TOOK GREAT RELIEF IN BECAUSE LITTLE SNIPPETS ON THE INTERNET DON'T ALWAYS PAINT A FULL PICTURE OF REALITY.
SO I TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO LET YELLOWKNIFER KNOW AND WHOEVER IS LISTENING, MAYBE OTHER COMMUNITIES WHERE THEY CAN FIND SOME OF OUR SNOW REMOVAL INFO.
I DID SEARCH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND I WAS ABLE TO FIND IT RELATIVELY EASILY.
AS WITH OURS, IF YOU DO HAVE TROUBLE NAVIGATING OUR WEBSITE, YOU CAN SIMPLY GO TO THE WEBSITE AND GO TO THE SEARCH BAR AND TYPE SNOW REMOVAL AND IT WILL TAKE YOU RIGHT TO THIS PAGE. LOTS OF INFORMATION ON THERE, SPECIFICALLY WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IN THE PRESENTATION.
ALSO, SOME FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS THAT WE GET A LOT MORE OBVIOUSLY FREQUENTLY, HENCE THE NAME AND JUST SOME DIFFERENT STATS AND STUFF THAT ARE ON THE PAGE. SO AS MR. VAN DINE SAID, CHANGING CONDITIONS, PUBLIC FEEDBACK AND AN INCREASE IN EXPECTATION IS BECOMING EVIDENT.
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YOU CAN LOOK ON YOUR RIGHT.THESE ARE STATS PULLED FROM THE CLIMATE WEBSITE FROM GOVERNMENT OF CANADA.
IN MY OPINION, THERE'S NOT A DETAILED TREND, ALTHOUGH YOU COULD ARGUE THAT WE ARE GETTING SOME DIFFERENT NOVEMBER TYPE SNOWFALLS DEPENDING ON THE YEAR.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT YEARS LIKE 2021 DOESN'T PAINT SO MUCH OF A PICTURE.
SO REGARDLESS THERE IS A DESIRE TO HAVE A MORE FULSOME DISCUSSION ON SNOW REMOVAL.
BUT WE HAVE SANDING OPERATIONS.
WE HAVE PLOWING OPERATIONS WHICH WE WOULD CALL REACTIVE MAINTENANCE OR DURING AN EVENT.
AND THEN WE HAVE WHAT WE WOULD CALL PROACTIVE SNOW MAINTENANCE OR SNOW REMOVAL VIA LOADER.
SO THIS IS ALL BASED ON A PRIORITY DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM.
CURRENTLY, THIS IS HOW WE TRY TO RUN OUR PROGRAM 18 WEEKS.
WE HAVE DEDICATED START TIMES.
WE HAVE DEDICATED, WELL, ROUGHLY FINISHED TIMES.
AND WE EMPLOY A SCHEDULE BASED FOR SNOW REMOVAL FORMAL SNOW REMOVAL PRACTICES.
IT HAS SPANNED SEVERAL DECADES.
YELLOWKNIFE HAS GROWN OVER THAT TIME.
THE PRIORITY SYSTEM HAS BEEN ALTERED, STREETS HAVE BEEN ADDED TO IT.
AND FRANKLY, RESOURCES AND RESOURCE ALLOCATIONS, BUDGET, STAFF, EQUIPMENT HAVE NOT REALLY KEPT PACE WITH PRIORITY CHANGES AND THE INCREASES THAT YOU SEE. THINGS TO CONSIDER WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OUR SNOW REMOVAL.
THEY ARE QUITE DIFFERENT AND SHOULD BE POINTED OUT THAT WAY.
WE DO ENGAGE THE CONTRACTING COMMUNITY TO ASSIST US WITH HAULING OPERATIONS.
AT THIS TIME, WE DO NOT EMPLOY LARGE HEAVY EQUIPMENT BY CONTRACTORS ON ACTUAL CITY STREETS FOR LIABILITY ISSUES AND JUST OVERALL AWARENESS WHERE MANHOLES ARE, WHERE CURB LINES ARE, THINGS OF THAT NATURE SO THAT ALL FALLS TO CITY STAFF.
ONLY SIDEWALKS SNOW SHOULD BE PLACED ON THE ROADWAY.
DOWNTOWN PROPERTY OWNERS MUST CLEAR.
SO WE GO RIGHT FROM REQUIRING OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES TO PUT IT RIGHT ON THE ROAD TO US, BASICALLY PICKING IT UP OFF THE ROAD AND PUTTING IT BACK ON THE SIDEWALK, DEPENDING ON THE SEVERITY AND THE ACCUMULATION OF THE EVENT.
THE OTHER THING TO CONSIDER IS WHETHER VARIES.
I DID WANT TO PUT IN A DIFFERENT SLIDE FOR SIDEWALKS BECAUSE THEY ARE A MORE COMPLICATED ISSUE, AND THEY BREAK DOWN INTO THREE BASIC TIERS IN THE COMMUNITY THE DOWNTOWN REQUIREMENTS THAT I TALKED ABOUT.
THERE'S SPECIFIC EXTENTS DEFINED IN BOTH BYLAW 5053, THE PARKING BYLAW, AND 5055, THE HIGHWAY TRAFFIC BYLAW, THAT AGAIN ALLOWS SNOW TO BE PLACED ON THE ROAD IN PARKING LANES.
HOWEVER, THIS DOES END UP GETTING PUSHED INTO INTO THE PARKING LANES, INTO ACCESSIBLE STALLS, PARKING STALLS, METERED STALLS AND OUT INTO INTERSECTIONS ON ACCESSIBLE RAMPS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
THE OTHER CURVEBALL DOWNTOWN IS THAT CONSISTENTLY PARKED VEHICLES, I SHOULDN'T SAY PROHIBIT, BUT IT HIGHLY INHIBITS OUR EFFECTIVE OUR ABILITY TO BE EFFECTIVE IN SNOW REMOVAL WHEN THERE ARE ALWAYS VEHICLES PARKED.
EXTRAPOLATING OUTWARD A LITTLE BIT.
THERE'S ALSO CITY OWNED SIDEWALKS OR A CITY SIDEWALKS THAT ARE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO CITY PROPERTY, WHICH WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR UNDER PUBLIC WORKS. THESE WOULD BE THE MULTI-USE PATHS BETWEEN THE FIRE HALL AND THE CBC BUILDING, FOR EXAMPLE, OR THE OTHER SIDE OF FRANKLIN AVENUE BY THE TENNIS COURTS OR KAM LAKE ROAD, YOU GET THE IDEA, DOWN FRANKLIN HILL, THOSE.
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SIDEWALKS. SO A JURISDICTIONAL COMPARISON.OUR FRIENDS IN WHITEHORSE AND OUR FRIENDS IN GRAND PRAIRIE.
SO WHITEHORSE IS VERY SIMILAR TO US.
THERE ARE SOME NUANCES THAT ARE DIFFERENT.
SO THAT'S A SOMETHING THAT VARIES FROM US.
AND THEY DO HAVE A CITY SIDEWALK CLEARING REQUIREMENT, FROM WHAT I CAN TELL.
I'M GOING TO PREFACE THAT WITH I DID DO SOME RESEARCH, BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT SET IN STONE.
BUT THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.
GRAND PRAIRIE, MUCH LARGER SCOPE.
AND THEY HAVE SOME MORE DRACONIAN MEASURES, SO TO SPEAK.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE RIGHT WORD OR NOT, BUT THEY PUT IN FULL PARKING BANS, AND I'LL GET TO THAT IN A LITTLE BIT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FUTURE POSSIBILITIES AND SIMILAR THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DEPOSIT SNOW ON THE ROAD.
AND THEY HAVE THE LUXURY IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF HAVING CITY OWNED BOULEVARDS.
SO WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING HERE IS A POTENTIAL SERVICE LEVEL CHANGE.
WHILE I DON'T WANT TO USE I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORDS LOOSELY OR CARELESSLY, BUT TO START SNOW REMOVAL OPERATIONS EARLIER AND BE LESS WORRIED ON STAYING HARD WITHIN THAT BUDGET.
AND WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS WE OBSERVE THESE OPERATIONAL COSTS IN 25.
WE'RE GOING TO ABSORB IT THE SIMILAR THAT WE DID IN THESE PAST YEARS WITH THE HIGH ACCUMULATION AND REPORT BACK IN 2026 TO SEE WHERE WE'VE FALLEN ON THAT.
I DON'T WANT TO MAKE HUGE CHANGES RIGHT AWAY UNTIL WE SEE HOW THIS SERVICE LEVEL PLAYS OUT.
SO IT ONLY IMPACTS PUBLIC WORKS AT THIS TIME.
IT'S NOT IT DOESN'T HAVE FAR REACHING IMPACTS.
NO ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT IS NO ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT IS REQUIRED.
AND IT WILL ALLOW US TO GET ON THINGS A LITTLE BIT SOONER.
AND MAYBE THAT MAYBE THAT'LL BE OKAY.
SO WHEN WE GET INTO FURTHER REACHING OPTIONS, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS, AND IT DOESN'T IT CAN, IT CAN OBVIOUSLY FALL IN THE O&M DISCUSSION UNDER THE BUDGET DELIBERATIONS, BUT DO WE WANT TO MOVE TO A DIFFERENT MODEL.
AND THIS WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL SERVICE LEVEL.
SO WE WOULD HAVE WINTER STANDING.
WE WOULD HAVE SNOW REMOVAL EFFORTS VIA A LOADER STILL.
AND WE WOULD HAVE POTENTIALLY SNOW BLOWING OR SNOW REMOVAL EFFORTS VIA SNOW BLOWING OPS.
WE THINK THIS IS WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
THE EQUIPMENT IS LISTED THERE, BUT NOT LIMITED TO.
THIS IS VERY PRELIMINARY RESEARCH.
SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.
SO THE FOCUS WILL BE THE DOWNTOWN CORE.
THIS IS NOT CONTEMPLATED IN OUR CORPORATE WORK PLAN WHEN IT WAS DRAFTED EARLIER THIS YEAR.
SO WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
I'LL GET INTO THAT IN A COUPLE MORE SLIDES.
PARKING BANS WILL LIKELY BE NECESSARY TO BE EFFECTIVE WITH THIS TYPE OF ENFORCEMENT OR SORRY, THIS TYPE OF OPERATIONAL CHANGE WITH THAT WILL COME INCREASED ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS IF IT'S TO BE EFFECTIVE, WHICH PROBABLY MIGHT REQUIRE BYLAW CHANGES.
IT'LL ALSO REQUIRE A SIGNIFICANT SHIFT IN IN DOWNTOWN COMMUNICATIONS AND STRATEGY AROUND SNOW REMOVAL AND THE PARKING BAN ISSUE, IF THAT'S WHAT WE GET INTO. AND OBVIOUSLY WE WILL HAVE TO ENGAGE WITH OUR OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE FULLY IN THE IN THE TENT WITH US AND, AND KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. THIS IS JUST QUICK ATTACHMENTS.
WE WOULD PROBABLY NEED AT LEAST THIS ATTACHED.
WE'RE RECOMMENDING THIS ATTACHMENT, NOT A NOT A FULLY DEDICATED SNOW REMOVAL UNIT, BECAUSE THAT THING WILL ONLY BE GOOD FOR SNOW REMOVAL, AND AN ATTACHMENT LIKE THIS ALLOWS US TO USE LOADER FOR OTHER OPPORTUNITIES.
IT'LL ALSO INCREASE CONTRACTED COSTS BECAUSE THESE THINGS HAVE A LINE UP OF TRUCKS TO FOLLOW IT.
AND LIKELY AT LEAST WE'RE THINKING ONE PY TO OPERATE THIS UNIT BY ITSELF.
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THE REST OF IT CAN.THE REST OF THESE THINGS HERE ON THE LEFT CAN BE DONE WITH EXISTING STAFF.
SO FAR, OR THAT'S WHAT OUR INITIAL INDICATION LOOKS AT LOOKS AT.
ALL THE RED ARE STREETS YOU CAN'T PARK ON.
AND THAT'S FROM NOVEMBER 15TH TO APRIL 15TH.
SO WHAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT HERE IS BROADER SERVICE LEVEL IMPACTS.
AND THEN WE'LL BE OPEN TO QUESTIONS OR WRAPPING UP.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BROAD WHAT WHAT SNOW REMOVAL LOOK WHAT BETTER SNOW REMOVAL LOOKS LIKE OR WHAT INCREASED SNOW REMOVAL LOOKS LIKE.
WE'RE AT AN INTERESTING SPOT BECAUSE THE EXTRAPOLATION OR INCREASE IN THESE SERVICE LEVELS REQUIRES THESE THINGS.
SO RIGHT NOW GARAGE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED.
THE MORE WE ADD TO FLEET, THE MORE SPACE WE NEED, THE MORE OPERATIONAL STAFF INCREASES THAT WILL BE REQUIRED TO SIT AND SAID EQUIPMENT. WHEN WE INCREASE EQUIPMENT COSTS OR WHEN WE INCREASE FLEET LEVELS, WE NEED MECHANICS AND WE NEED BUDGET INCREASE TO REPAIR THEM.
AND IT'S NOT JUST PUBLIC WORKS THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED.
AND AGAIN NOT BEING CHICKEN LITTLE HERE, THIS IS NOT NOT INSURMOUNTABLE, BUT THIS ARE THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE CONSIDERED WHEN WE LOOK AT EXPANDING SERVICE LEVELS.
SO IT'S NOT JUST PUBLIC WORKS FOCUS.
WE'LL NEED MORE ENFORCEMENT OF PEOPLE NOT DOING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.
THERE'LL BE INCREASED PARKING REQUIREMENTS AT CITY HALL, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE ADD STAFF HIGHWAY TRAFFIC BYLAW REVISIONS AND MAYBE THE POTENTIAL FOR CITY WIDE RESIDENTS SIDEWALK SNOW REMOVAL.
AGAIN, DEPENDS ON WHAT COUNCIL'S APPETITE IS, AND WHAT OUR IDEAS OF BETTER SNOW REMOVAL LOOKS LIKE.
ALSO COMMUNITY SERVICES CURRENTLY PUBLIC WORKS DOES A LOT OF PARKING LOTS AND SIDEWALKS FOR COMMUNITY SERVICES, BUT MAYBE THEY REQUIRE THEIR OWN EQUIPMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE INCREASES SO THAT THEY CAN DO THEIR OWN PARKING LOTS AND AND FACILITIES SO THAT THAT FREES UP PUBLIC WORKS FOR THESE ADDITIONAL INCREASES.
I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS SET IN STONE.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CROSSES MY MIND WHEN I THINK ABOUT INCREASING PUBLIC WORKS SERVICE LEVELS.
AND AGAIN, ENGAGEMENT WITH THE DOWNTOWN, THE YK CHAMBER, ENGAGEMENT WITH THE CITY AT LARGE.
THESE ARE NOT THINGS THAT WE THINK WE CAN DO WITH A LARGE BRUSH STROKE AT BUDGET.
I THINK IT WOULD NEED TO BE PLANNED.
IT WOULD NEED TO BE COMMUNICATED IN A COORDINATED MANNER.
WE'D ALSO NEED SOME LEGAL ADVICE.
SO THERE'S THINGS IN PUBLIC EDUCATION CAMPAIGNS.
WE ARE LOOKING AT WHAT IS BETTER.
BUT WE DO BELIEVE THAT MOVING IMMEDIATELY FROM THE 18 TO THE 24 MONTH SCHEDULE IS IS AN EASY WIN.
IN A HEAVY SNOW YEAR, WE MIGHT BE IN THE RED.
IN A LIGHTER SNOW YEAR, WE MIGHT, WE MIGHT BE.
I WON'T OPEN IT UP TO DISCUSSION.
NO, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMING BACK TO COUNCIL.
I THINK IF YOU CAME BACK IN THE SUMMER VERSUS AT BUDGET TIME, YOU'LL LET US KNOW HOW HOW THIS MOVING FROM 18 TO 22 WEEKS WENT AND OPPORTUNITY FOR FURTHER DELIBERATION ON WHAT BETTER COULD LOOK LIKE.
BUT OPENING IT UP TO QUESTIONS.
COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN. I THINK THIS IS A SIMPLE ONE.
FOR THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN THAT'S PLANNED FOR NEXT YEAR IS CONSIDERATIONS OF MAINTENANCE PLANNED INTO THAT? LIKE IS IT IS IN MOST OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE DONE THOSE TYPES OF PLANS.
YES. THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN WOULD BE CONSIDERING THESE THINGS FOR SURE.
THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. RIGHT NOW, IF YOU'RE DOING SNOW CLEARING ON A STREET.
I KNOW THE HOURS ARE QUITE LATE.
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HOW HOW DO THOSE CARS GET TOWED OR MOVED, OR ARE THEY TOWED AND MOVED RIGHT NOW? WELL, I MIGHT SPEAK OUT OF TURN A LITTLE BIT, BUT GENERALLY WE WE SCAN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEFOREHAND.AND, MITCH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO GET UP HERE, BUT WE DO OUR BEST TO CALL.
AND IF WE'RE NOT SUCCESSFUL, WE TOW.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE DO OUR BEST TO TOW AROUND A CORNER INSTEAD OF IMPOUND.
I THINK WE MIGHT STILL IMPOUND, BUT MR. VAN DINE DID YOU WANT TO TAKE THE QUESTION? THANK YOU COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.
WE WE ABSOLUTELY WILL BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE WILL BE NEEDING TO TOW ON, ON ON AN UP LEVEL GRADE OF SERVICE BECAUSE THERE SEEMS TO BE A PUBLIC EXPECTATION THAT REMOVAL HAPPENS.
SO WE'RE BEING ENCOURAGED TO DO SO.
THANK YOU. IN MY RESEARCH, MONTREAL TOWS 50,000 VEHICLES A YEAR.
THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.
THANK YOU. SO THE THE FLEXIBLE SCHEDULE WOULD BE MOSTLY TO DEAL WITH LIKE THE FALL WINTER TRANSITION EARLIER SNOW WE'VE BEEN SEEING, WHEREAS THE BLOWING WOULD BE TO DEAL WITH BIG SNOW EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE WINTER.
MR. GREENCORN I WOULD SAY THE BLOWING WOULD ADDRESS BOTH IF I COULD ADD THE PROPOSAL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS EVENING IS THAT WE'RE UNDERTAKING ADAPTATION MEASURES RIGHT NOW TO INCREASE OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE EARLIER THAN WE MIGHT OTHERWISE STILL OFFERING THE TIERED APPROACH.
THE BLOWING OPTION IS ONE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO STUDY A BIT FURTHER.
AND AS MAYOR ALTY HAS POINTED OUT, WE'D LIKE TO COME BACK IN 2025 WITH FURTHER THOUGHTS ON THE PROS AND CONS AND WHAT THAT MIGHT ENTAIL, POTENTIALLY FOR A BUDGET 2026 DISCUSSION. YEAH, AND JUST MAYBE ONE THING TO ADD TO THAT, THERE WAS THERE IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE SOME LAG BETWEEN A SNOW EVENT AND FINAL MOP UP EFFORTS, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE DOWNTOWN BECAUSE OF THAT SNOW GAME, THAT SHELL GAME THAT I TALKED ABOUT.
BUT THIS YEAR, FOR EXAMPLE IT MAY HAVE APPEARED THAT WE WERE A LITTLE LATE GETTING ON THE GO, BUT AGAIN, THAT IS STAFF TRYING TO MAINTAIN BUDGETS AND STAY WITH THAT WITHIN THAT 18 WEEK SCHEDULE.
IF WE DO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY, THEY THEY ARE MORE LIKELY TO ENGAGE THAT ACTIVITY SOONER AND ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE IMMEDIATE CONCERNS AND THAT MR. VAN DINE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
AWESOME. THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR COCHRANE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, YOUR WORSHIP.
MORE OF A QUESTION TOWARDS PUBLIC SAFETY.
CAN I GET AN ELABORATION ABOUT THE RATE OF ENFORCEMENT FOR THE 24 HOUR CLEARING OF THE SIDEWALKS IN THE DOWNTOWN CORE? WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? DO WE HAVE AN OFFICER WALKING AROUND DAILY TALKING TO BUSINESSES, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
THANK YOU, MR. VAN DINE. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
SO A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I'D LIKE TO ADD TO THE CONVERSATION.
ONE IS THAT A PUBLIC EDUCATION IS REALLY KEY.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YELLOWKNIFE STILL BENEFITS FROM A NUMBER OF NEW RESIDENTS COMING TO TOWN.
THOSE NEW RESIDENTS COMING TO TOWN ARE EXPERIENCING A LOT OF THESE WEATHER EVENTS FOR THE FIRST TIME, AND ARE NOT ACCUSTOMED TO OUR TIERED PROCESS, AND THEREFORE, HAVING AN ONGOING PUBLIC EDUCATION PROCESS THAT WE REFRESH ON AN ONGOING BASIS IS IS PART OF THIS EXERCISE.
WITH RESPECT TO ENFORCEMENT AND WITH RESPECT TO MR. GREENCORN PRESENTATION, WE ARE PUTTING ALL OF THE FOCUS FOR ADAPTATIONS IN THE DOWNTOWN CORE AS A PRIORITY ZONE WITHIN THE CITY.
AND SO RIGHT NOW, THERE ALREADY IS AN ENFORCEMENT REQUIREMENT WITHIN THE CURRENT BYLAWS.
BUT I CAN SAY WITH GREAT CONVICTION THAT ENFORCEMENT IS HAPPENING.
WE ARE NOT IN THE POSITION OF HAVING SNOW COPS.
AND THAT, OF COURSE, IS NOT THEIR ONLY SET OF RESPONSIBILITIES.
SO IF THE CITY IS CONCERNED ABOUT THIS IN A WITH LEGITIMATE REASON, AND IF RESIDENTS ARE CONCERNED WITH LEGITIMATE REASONS THAT ENFORCEMENT IS BECOMING A HIGHER LEVEL OF PRIORITY, WE WOULD PUT MORE PRIORITY, FOCUS ON ENFORCEMENT, AND WE WOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH WHAT THOSE IMPLICATIONS MIGHT BE FOR OTHER SERVICE LEVELS.
SO, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT.
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AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE ELABORATION THERE.I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT I NEED THE FULL DATA THERE.
I THINK THAT'S JUST MAKING WORK FOR NOTHING.
I WAS MORE GETTING OUT OF IT'S A CAPACITY ISSUE WITHIN OUR MED AS WELL BECAUSE OF THE VARIETY OF RESPONSIBILITIES, WHICH OF COURSE GOES INTO THE LARGER QUESTIONS BEFORE US TONIGHT WITHIN PYS.
ANYTHING FURTHER? SEEING NONE.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE PRESENTATION.
LOOK FORWARD TO DISCUSSING IT MORE IN 2025.
MR. VAN DINE YOUR NEXT PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I'M JUST GOING TO DO A LITTLE SIGNALS.
CHECK WITH YOURSELF AND COUNCIL WITH RESPECT TO AN OPTION WE DO HAVE CARRY FORWARD INFORMATION THAT WE PROVIDE COUNCIL RECENTLY THAT WE COULD TAKE A MOMENT TO WALK THROUGH, OR WE ARE PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT OUR PROPOSED FTE ADJUSTMENTS AND AND PERSON YEARS, WE CAN DO EITHER.
EXCELLENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
SO WITH THAT, I WILL ASK THE NEXT PRESENTATION TO BE PUT UP, AND I WILL.
IF YOURSELF AND COUNCIL ARE OKAY, I WILL STAY HERE.
OKAY. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE PREVIOUSLY HAVE NOT DONE AN OVERVIEW OF PY AND FTE PRESENTATIONS OTHER THAN WHAT'S BEEN PROVIDED IN THE PROFILE OF THE BUDGET DRAFT BUDGET BOOK PREVIOUSLY, SO THIS IS A BIT OF AN EXPERIMENT ON OUR PART. AND WE HOPE THAT IT SATISFIES COUNCIL'S REQUIREMENTS TO HAVE A FULLER UNDERSTANDING OF THE IMPACTS.
WHAT THIS PRESENTATION ATTEMPTS TO DO IS, IS GIVE COUNCIL A DEEPER INSIGHT INTO THE IMPACT ON THE EXISTING ORGANIZATION, AND I AM PROVIDING THAT INFORMATION AT SOME RISK TO TO INVITE POTENTIAL QUESTIONS ABOUT EXISTING ACTIVITIES WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION.
MY INTENT IS THAT I AM YOUR EMPLOYEE, AND IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH AN EMPLOYEE WITHIN THIS ORGANIZATION, IT'S WITH ME AND I WILL DEAL WITH ANY OTHERS THAT MIGHT BE OF INTEREST TO YOU. THAT BEING SAID, WE DO.
I DO BELIEVE THAT PROVIDING YOU A WIDER ORGANIZATIONAL DESCRIPTION AND OVERVIEW YOU DO CAN SEE WHERE IT FITS IN AND HOW IT'S BALANCING IN WITH THE REST OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE ORGANIZATION.
THE FIRST AREA THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE SPEAKING TO IS WITH RESPECT TO COMMUNITY SERVICES.
COMMUNITY SERVICES, WE ARE, LET'S SEE, THIS PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF THE OVERALL REQUESTS IN IN THIS PRESENTATION FOR ALL THE DIRECTORATES.
WITH RESPECT TO COMMUNITY SERVICES AND THE AQUATIC CENTRE, THIS, NET INCREASE IS NOT ENTIRELY NEW.
COUNCIL HAS APPROVED THE MAJORITY OF THESE RESOURCES IN PREVIOUS BUDGETS, WITH RESPECT TO THE AQUATIC CENTRE, I BELIEVE THE NUMBER OF SWIM LESSONS AND OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO OFFER WITH THIS AQUATIC CENTRE MORE THAN DOUBLES WHAT WE HAVE UNDER THE CURRENT RUTH INCH MEMORIAL POOL, AND THE RELATED ACTIVITIES WITH THAT NECESSITATE AN INCREASE IN NUMBER OF FTES WHICH ARE INDICATED HERE.
AND THIS IS GETTING INTO A LITTLE BIT OF GRANULARITY, BUT NECESSARY, I THINK, FOR COUNCIL AND YELLOWKNIFE TO HAVE AN APPRECIATION FOR WHY WE WERE ASKING FOR THESE RESOURCES, THAT THE SCALE AND THE SIZE OF THE FACILITY AND THE LAYOUT NO LONGER ALLOWS US TO HAVE LIFEGUARDS WHO MAY BE MILLING ABOUT TO DO SECONDARY DUTIES AT A COUNTER. WE HAVE A DIVISION OF RESPONSIBILITY AND LABOR THAT NO LONGER ALLOWS FOLKS THAT ARE QUALIFIED, LIKE LIFEGUARDS, TO ACTUALLY DO THAT FRONT FACING INTERFACE WITH THE PUBLIC AT AT A COUNTER LEVEL.
THEREFORE, YOU'LL SEE INCREASES OF 7.2 FTES THAT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT A CUSTOMER SERVICE BOOKING AND A SUPERVISOR IN THAT SCOPE. GIVEN THAT OUR EXPANDED HR REQUIREMENTS WITH THE ADDITION OF STAFF WILL REQUIRE MORE SUPERVISION. THE BOOKING CLERK THAT IS LISTED HERE TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE FACT THAT WE WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT BOOKING OFFERS OR ADDITIONAL BOOKING OFFERS, AND THEREFORE WILL REQUIRE SERVICES TO SUPPORT THAT.
AND THEN YOU'LL NOTE THAT WE'VE GOT LIFEGUARD AND INSTRUCTORS LISTED AS HAS BEEN THERE BEFORE.
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MADAM CHAIR, I CAN PAUSE ON EACH ONE OR I CAN RUN THROUGH THE LIST.OKAY. SO I DID GIVE YOU THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE OF THE RATIONALE THAT ARE LISTED HERE.
BUT THIS NOTES IT IN GREATER GRANULARITY AND NOTES ALL OF THE POINTS THAT I RAISED EARLIER.
SO I'LL JUST PAUSE THERE FOR YOU TO GIVE IT A LONGER SCAN.
OF NOTE IS THAT YOU'LL PROBABLY SEE IN THIS IS THAT WE DO USE THE INTERPLAY BETWEEN FULL TIME POSITIONS AS WELL AS CASUAL STAFF TO OPERATE THE AQUATIC FACILITY, AND WE ARE DOING OUR BEST TO REPRESENT THAT MATH HERE.
WITH RESPECT TO CORPORATE SERVICES.
HERE WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF CHANGES HAPPENING.
ONE IS A SWITCH FROM A TERM POSITION INTO A ONGOING POSITION.
SO WE ARE LOOKING TO MAKE THAT CHANGE PRIMARILY IN THE ASSET MANAGEMENT CATEGORY.
AND WE ARE LOOKING AT ADDING A BUDGET AND TAXATION ANALYST, WHICH IS A NEW POSITION THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO CONVERT FROM A POSITION THAT HAS BEEN HELPING US NOW, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, MR. PANDOO, AROUND GRANT WRITING.
OKAY, I'LL JUST SKIP RIGHT OVER THAT AND WE'LL COME BACK TO MR. PANDOO WITH YOUR QUESTIONS LATER.
OKAY? AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE'VE GOT OUR INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY SUPPORT IN OUR IT AREA.
ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WE ARE UNCOVERING THROUGH THE BUDGET 2025 PROCESS IS THE THE COMPLEXITY OF THE PREPARATION OF BUDGET INFORMATION FOR COUNCILS REVIEW AND ARE USED TO MANAGE.
AS A RESULT, WE ARE LOOKING AT MAKING A COUPLE OF ADJUSTMENTS IN ORDER TO HAVE THE CAPACITY NECESSARY TO BETTER HAVE LINES OF SIGHT ON THE RESOURCES WE ARE CHARGED WITH AND THE BUDGET TAXATION ANALYST IS ONE SUCH RESOURCE.
AS MENTIONED, WE'RE MOVING FROM TERM TO PERMANENT IN ASSET MANAGEMENT AND PLUS ONE ON IT.
FOR PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT, THIS IS MORE FOR INFORMATION.
AS COUNCIL IS AWARE, WE ARE RECEIVING FUNDING THROUGH OUR HOUSING ACCELERATOR FUND AND WE HAVE ACCOMMODATED AND BUILT IN THE ADDITION OF TWO PLANNER POSITIONS FOR A FOUR YEAR TERM.
AND THIS IS WITH RESOURCES OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE'S TAX BASE.
FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, YOU HEARD EARLIER A PRESENTATION WITH RESPECT TO PRIMARILY KENNEL AND DOG SERVICES, BUT WE ARE LOOKING TO SUPPORT THAT THROUGH THE ADDITION OF TWO FTES. AS MENTIONED BY MR. MCLEAN, MUNICIPAL ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WOULD PRIMARILY BE TURNING THEIR ATTENTION TO INCREASED WORK ASSOCIATED WITH AN INCREASED DOG POUND CAPACITY.
HOWEVER, THOSE RESOURCES WOULD ALSO BE DISPERSED TO REINFORCE OTHER MUNICIPAL ENFORCEMENT OPERATIONS, TO WHICH OUR STATISTICS SUGGEST WE HAVE AN INCREASING NUMBER OF CALLS AND QUERIES OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR.
FOR PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING, HERE WE HAVE TWO FTES, ONE IN TRANSPORTATION, ONE IN REGULATORY.
THE TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER POSITION IS NOTED IN YOUR IN YOUR PACKAGE.
AND I BELIEVE THERE'S ADDITIONAL INFORMATION UNDER THE Q&A'S WITH RESPECT TO THIS.
WE ARE LOOKING FOR A TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER TO HELP US WITH OUR TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, AS WELL AS REINFORCING OTHER ACTIVITIES ASSOCIATED WITH PROVIDING SAFE TRANSPORTATION WITHIN THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE.
AND WE HAVE INCREASING REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS THAT WE ARE NEEDING TO SATISFY WITH THE GOVERNMENT OF THE NORTHWEST TERRITORIES AND REGULATORY AGENCIES, AND WE ARE LOOKING FOR REGULATORY SPECIALISTS TO HELP MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STAYING ON TOP OF OUR REGULATORY OBLIGATIONS.
WITH RESPECT TO GOVERNANCE AND LEGAL SERVICES.
THIS IS AN ADJUSTED PART OF THE ORGANIZATION IN WHICH I'M LOOKING TO ACHIEVE TWO OBJECTIVES.
I'LL BEGIN WITH THE GOVERNANCE AND LEGAL SERVICES.
BUT ACTUALLY I'M GOING TO START HERE.
BASED ON MY OBSERVATION THAT WE ARE ILL EQUIPPED AT THIS POINT TO DEAL WITH MAJOR PROJECTS THAT COME FORWARD, INVESTORS THAT ARE LOOKING TO BUILD AND DESIGN NEW AREAS OF FOCUS FOR THE CITY TO INCREASE OUR TAX BASE.
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COME AND WORK WITH THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE TO TRY AND ENHANCE OUR TAX BASE.SO WITH TO DO THAT, I WANT TO DO THAT ON A MODEST LEVEL AND START RELATIVELY INCREMENTALLY.
BY DOING SO, WHAT I AM LOOKING TO DO IS REMOVE WHAT IS CURRENTLY A FUNCTION WITHIN THIS CURRENT ROLE UNDER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHICH INCLUDED LEGAL SERVICES.
SO YOU'LL NOTE HERE THAT LEGAL SERVICES ARE NOT HERE.
LEGAL SERVICES ARE NOT HERE BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE I JUST SHOWED YOU.
BUT THE REASON WHY THEY'RE NOT HERE IS BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD CREATE A SPAN OF CONTROL AND BANDWIDTH TO ALLOW CERTAIN CONVERSATIONS TO HAPPEN THAT I ALLUDED TO MOMENTS AGO, BUT GREATER FOCUS ON PUBLIC COMMUNICATIONS AND COMMUNICATIONS FOR THE CITY, BUT ALSO ECONOMIC INVESTMENT.
SO WHERE DO THOSE LEGAL SERVICES GO? THOSE LEGAL SERVICES WOULD FIND THEIR WAY INTO AN ENHANCED GOVERNANCE DIRECTORATE FOR GOVERNANCE AND LEGAL SERVICES, WHICH WOULD BE ADDING TO THE CURRENT CLERK'S OFFICE, PROVIDING TWO AREAS OF PRIMARY FOCUS UNDER A NEW DIRECTOR'S POSITION.
AND UNDER THAT, WE WOULD BE ADDING AN ADDITIONAL RESOURCE CALLED A GOVERNANCE COORDINATOR.
THIS FUNCTION WOULD SERVE TWO PURPOSES WITHIN THE CURRENT STRUCTURE OF THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE.
ONE IS TO PROVIDE THE ABILITY TO PUT GREATER EMPHASIS ON GOVERNANCE, TO SUPPORT COUNCIL, COUNCIL COMMITTEES AND COUNCIL INFORMATION THAT IT'S RECEIVING FROM ADMINISTRATION.
THE SECOND WOULD BE TO ALLOW FOR PROPER DECISION MAKING INTO THE PROCESS.
SORRY, THAT WAS A FOOTNOTE UNDER THE PREVIOUS POINT.
MODERNIZATION HAS A HAS AN AN INTERESTING POINT FOR CITY COUNCIL AND PREVIOUS WORK PLAN UPDATES FROM THE CITY HAVE IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF AREAS THAT REQUIRE FOCUS, WHETHER IT'S POLICY REVIEW, IT UPDATE, HR, ADMINISTRATION WITH RESPECT TO TALENT MANAGEMENT, OTHER TYPES OF QUESTIONS, AND THERE ARE MORE. AND SO THIS POSITION HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED TO SUPPORT A NEW GOVERNOR OF GOVERNANCE, NEW DIRECTOR OF GOVERNANCE POSITION, TO COORDINATE AND TAKE A MORE INTEGRATED APPROACH TO MODERNIZING CITY OPERATIONS.
WITH THE ULTIMATE OUTCOME OF TRYING TO USE EXISTING APPROVED RESOURCES SMARTER, BETTER, AND TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A MORE FOCUSED AND MORE IMPACT ON THE DELIVERY OF SERVICES FOR YELLOWKNIFERS.
YOU'LL NOTE THAT IT'S ASTERISKS IN IN THIS IN THIS CASE, TO ALLOW FOR THESE CHANGES TO BE CONFIRMED THROUGH A WIDER ORGANIZATIONAL REVIEW THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO PROCURE THROUGH AN RFP PROCESS TO VALIDATE THESE IDEAS, AS WELL AS IDENTIFY OTHER POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR SYNERGIES AND BETTER ALIGNMENT AND BETTER IMPACT WITHIN THE CITY.
ONE OF THE CONSEQUENCES OF THIS ADJUSTMENT IS THAT THIS THESE ACTIVITIES HERE, AND I'LL JUST DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE BOTTOM HALF OF THE OF THE GRAPHIC HERE, WHERE IT MAKES REFERENCE TO THE CHIEF OF CHIEF OF EXECUTIVE AND SUPPORT STRATEGIC SERVICES AND EXECUTIVE ASSISTANCE.
THESE FUNCTIONS, THESE ARE EXISTING PYS THAT ARE NOW CURRENTLY CONTAINED WITHIN THE CLERK'S OFFICE, AND I'D BE LOOKING TO REMOVE THOSE FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND PUT IT IN THE OFFICE OF THE CITY MANAGER.
WITH A VIEW TO TRYING TO CREATE BETTER SERVICE LEVELS TO COUNCIL, AS WELL AS TO CREATE A BETTER CLARITY IN LINES OF DELINEATION BETWEEN THE ELECTED MEMBERS OF THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE AND NON-ELECTED OFFICIALS.
AND THIS IS ONE SMALL STEP IN THAT DIRECTION.
AND AGAIN, LOOKING TO CONFIRM THIS THROUGH A WIDER ORGANIZATIONAL REVIEW, THE DIAGRAM AT THE TOP OF OF IS AN EXISTING REPORTING RELATIONSHIP THAT EXISTS TODAY.
AND WITH THAT I THANK YOU AND INVITE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
BUT YOU CAN ALSO IF WE COULD GET THIS ADDED TO THE PORTAL WE CAN ALSO HOLD ON ALL QUESTIONS ON PYS AND JUST GO GET TO IT WHEN WE GET TO THOSE SECTIONS.
WITH THAT 20 MINUTES BEFORE OUR NEXT BREAK.
STARTING OUT WITH THE CARRY FORWARD PROJECTS ADMINISTRATION DID A BIT OF A
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LIST. SOME ARE NOTED THAT ADMINISTRATION IS RECOMMENDING TO RELEASE THE FUNDS.EITHER A PORTION OF IT OR ALL OF IT.
TO BE CLEAN, IT WOULD BE NICE TO DO A MOTION FROM COUNCIL TO ACCEPT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THEN IT WOULD BE LISTED AND AND CAPTURED IN THE MINUTES. SO IT IS THE ACCESSIBILITY AUDIT IMPLEMENTATION, THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO RELEASE 400,000 FROM THE CARRYOVER BUDGET BACK TO THE CAPITAL FUND.
THERE'S THE CITY HALL RETROFIT STORY.
THE PROPOSAL IS TO RELEASE $100 K BACK TO THE CAPITAL FUND.
THERE'S THE LANDFILL, LEACHATE RETENTION AND TREATMENT.
THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION TO RELEASE THE ENTIRE AMOUNT, THE $250,000, BACK TO THE CAPITAL FUND.
THERE'S THE OH ON THE PORTAL, 2024 CAPITAL CARRY FORWARDS UNDER BUDGET.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BEEN POSTED ONLINE YET.
IT HAS NOT BEEN POSTED ONLINE, BUT WE WILL POST IT UP HERE IF THAT'S OKAY.
YEAH. AND WE'LL GET THIS POSTED ONLINE LATER TONIGHT OR TOMORROW.
LANDFILL LEACHATE RETENTION AND TREATMENT.
AGAIN, RECOMMENDATION IS THE ENTIRE $250,000.
ARBOR DEVELOPMENT STUDY TO RELEASE THE FULL $68,000.
SO THOSE ARE THE PROJECTS ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE GREEN PROJECTS? AND WE COULD DO A BIT OF A BUNDLE ON THAT.
I WILL START WITH QUESTIONS WHILE EVERYBODY CATCHES UP.
I UNDERSTAND THE CITY HALL RETROFIT.
SO THAT'S RECOMMENDED TO IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET AS WELL.
SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO RELEASE $100,000, WHICH MEANS THAT WE'D KEEP $328,000 FROM 2014, AND THERE'S $300,000 BEING PROPOSED IN THE 2025 BUDGET.
SO WE WOULD STILL HAVE $628,000 TO DO THE REMAINING DESIGN AND TENDER DOCUMENTS.
IS THAT WHAT'S INTENDED MR. VAN DINE? THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
THIS MIGHT REQUIRE SOME FURTHER DISCUSSION AS WE GET INTO THE TO THE LINE ITEM.
WHAT IS WHAT IS RECOMMENDED HERE FOR FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION IS THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY HALL RETROFIT, WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF WE HAVE A, A REPORT IN FROM THAT GAVE US SOME CLASS D ESTIMATES ON THREE OPTIONS FOR FOR A CITY HALL RETROFIT, FROM A RELATIVELY MODEST ADJUSTMENT TO SOMETHING THAT COULD BE QUITE SUBSTANTIAL, WHICH WOULD BE A DEMO AND A REPLACEMENT WITH VARIOUS LEVELS OF RATIONALE ATTACHED TO THAT. WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO DO WITH THE RESOURCES THAT ARE OUTLINED HERE IS TO FREE UP A LITTLE BIT OF THE THE CAPITAL DOLLARS FOR IT TO ALLOW US TO DO ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS AND TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH A DEEPER REVIEW OF WHAT THOSE OPTIONS MIGHT MEAN AND WHAT COUNCIL MIGHT BE OPEN TO.
SO THE SUGGESTION HERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF TREADING WATER ON THE QUESTION WITH RESPECT TO THE CITY HALL RETROFIT FOR A DEEPER DIVE IN 2025 TO GO AND DISCUSS WHAT THE IMPACTS OF THOSE THOSE ADDITIONAL CAPITAL EXPENDITURES MIGHT BE WITH WITH BRINGING IT BACK IN BUDGET 2026 WITH A MORE ROBUST PROPOSAL. BUT ADMINISTRATION'S RECOMMENDING TO DECREASE THE CAPITAL CARRY FORWARD FROM $428 TO $328.
AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS STILL TO DO THE $300,000 IN 2025, GRAND TOTAL OF $628,000 STILL REQUIRED FOR PLANNING, DESIGN, TENDERING, DISCUSSIONS ON CITY HALL RETROFIT.
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I DON'T KNOW IF MR. GREENCORN HAS ADDITIONAL COMMENTS WITH RESPECT TO THAT, THAT APPROACH.SURE. WHEN THIS WAS INITIALLY BROUGHT FORWARD, IT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD IN THE TYPICAL PLAN DESIGN, BUDGET, CONSTRUCT TYPE PROCESS.
WHAT I THINK WE'RE LOOKING FOR NOW IS MAYBE, AS MR. VAN DINE SAID, TAKE A STEP BACK, DO SOME ANALYSIS ON VARIOUS OPTIONS, AND THEN GET COUNCIL'S APPETITE ON HOW THEY FEEL THE BEST DIRECTION FORWARD MIGHT BE WHILE CONTEMPLATING CITY HALL IN TERMS NOT JUST CITY HALL ON ITSELF ON ITS FACE, BUT CITY HALL IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL CAPITAL PLAN AND THE PRESSURES THAT ARE BEING PUT ON IT.
SO I THINK IT I THINK THE $628 WOULD BE SHORT FOR FULL DESIGN AND TENDER, BUT IT MIGHT BE, IT'LL DEFINITELY BE ENOUGH FOR THE NEXT STEPS THAT MR. VAN DINE EXPLAINED AND BRING FORWARD BACK TO COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION.
I GUESS IF IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH, WHY RELEASE $100,000, WHY NOT JUST KEEP THE $428? MR. VAN DINE.
KIND OF FEELS LIKE WE'RE NICKEL AND DIMING THE PROJECT, BUT YEAH.
NO, IT I THINK IT'S AN ASTUTE OBSERVATION BY BY YOURSELF, MADAM CHAIR AND AND COUNCIL.
THIS LIST REPRESENTS SOME THINKING THAT HAD BEEN DONE BY ADMINISTRATION, THAT OVER THE COURSE OF THE FALL, IN WHICH THIS MIGHT BE UNDER THE AUSPICES OF TRYING TO FIND THE NICKELS THAT YOU COULD FIND AND OFFER UP.
THIS WAS IN THAT CATEGORY AS OPPOSED TO HIGHEST AND BEST USE.
THE $100,000 IS NOT A MATERIAL IMPACT ON THE OVERALL CAPITAL BUDGET, BUT IT WAS OFFERED IF WE WERE LOOKING FOR THOSE ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES TO, TO TO SQUEEZE THE DEMAND AND FOR 2025 AND, AND, AND PERHAPS GIVE A MODEST LEVEL OF FLEXIBILITY FOR OTHER CONSIDERATIONS.
FOR MYSELF, I'M OKAY WITH LEAVING THIS BECAUSE THE PROJECT I WOULD LEAVE THE FULL $428.
IF IT'S NOT USED THIS YEAR, NEXT TIME WE RELEASE IT AND MAYBE WE RELEASE MORE.
SO I WOULD ACTUALLY PROBABLY NOT DO THAT ONE, BUT I WILL HOLD MY QUESTION OR PROPOSAL ON THAT ONE.
THE OTHER ONE WAS THE LANDFILL LEACHATE RETENTION AND TREATMENT.
RECOMMENDATION IS TO RELEASE THE ENTIRE AMOUNT BACK.
JUST WONDERING IF THIS PROJECT'S NO LONGER NEEDED.
YEAH, JUST A BIT MORE INFORMATION ON WHY WE AREN'T PROCEEDING WITH THIS.
MR. VAN DINE. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
I'LL INVITE MR. GREENCORN TO RESPOND TO THAT.
THANK YOU. IT'S MOST CERTAINLY NEEDED.
BUT IN THE IMPLEMENTATION OF OUR OR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH OUR WATER LICENSE, IT'S BEEN PUSHED UP TO, I MIGHT BE OFF ON THE YEAR, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S BEEN PUSHED UP TO 28/29.
THEREFORE, OUT OF THE WINDOW OF THIS BUDGET AND THEREFORE WE WILL CONTEMPLATE BUDGETS AT THAT TIME.
OKAY. APPRECIATE THOSE ANSWERS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE ACCESSIBILITY? WELL, OKAY. ACTUALLY I'LL START.
ARE FOLKS OKAY WITH KEEPING THE $100,000 IN THE CITY HALL RETROFIT, OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD IT IN TO A BULK MOTION? LEAVE IT. OKAY.
SO A BULK MOTION ABOUT THE ACCESSIBILITY AUDITS, IMPLEMENTATION, THE LANDFILL LEACHATE, THE ARBOR DEVELOPMENT STUDY, AND THE COMMUNITY ENERGY PLAN COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? COUNCILLOR FEQUET WOULD MOVE THAT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AND THAT CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
ANOTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS ON THE COMMUNITY SERVICE LAND FUND CAPITAL PROJECTS.
IN OUR 2024 BUDGET DISCUSSION BACK IN FEBRUARY.
ADMINISTRATION NOTED THAT THEY DIDN'T NEED THE FULL $1.6 MILLION.
THEY ONLY NEEDED $500,000 BECAUSE SO MUCH WORK HAD BEEN DONE DURING THE WILDFIRES.
JUST WONDERING WHY IT'S BACK UP TO THE $1.6 MILLION, OR IF WE CAN DROP IT BACK DOWN TO THE $500,000? MR. VAN DINE.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I'LL DEFER TO MR. WHITE ON THAT.
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHY IT WENT UP, BUT I CAN INDICATE THAT THE THE $500,000 THAT WAS IDENTIFIED EARLIER THIS YEAR FOR THE 2024 BUDGET STILL STANDS.WITH THAT, THEN I WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER DECREASING THIS BACK DOWN TO THE $500.
SO I WOULD MOVE TO RELEASE $1.166 MILLION FROM CS LAND FUND CAPITAL PROJECTS AND TO REMAIN IN THE LAND FUND, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE MONEY WAS FROM.
ANY. OH DEPUTY MAYOR [INAUDIBLE] DEPUTY MAYOR, DO YOU WANT TO MOVE THE MOTION? SURE. THERE WE GO, DEPUTY MAYOR MOVES THE MOTION.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? DISCUSSION ON THAT ONE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AND THAT CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL ON CARRY FORWARDS? COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.
ONE JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON THE THE EXPLANATION ABOUT THE FLEET MANAGEMENT CARRY FORWARD.
SO THAT MONEY IS JUST BEING CARRIED FORWARD.
MR. VAN DINE? SO THE MOBILITY FLEET BUDGET IS A IS A BUDGET THAT WE UNDERSTAND IS GOING TO BE UNDER INCREASING PRESSURE OVER, OVER THE COMING BUSINESS CYCLE AND CYCLES TO COME.
SO REALLOCATION OUT OF THAT THAT PARTICULAR FUNDING ENVELOPE WOULD BE NOT RECOMMENDED AT THIS TIME.
THE RESOURCE REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS COMING YEAR IN BUDGET 2025 ARE MUCH TO DEAL WITH WHAT WE EXPECT TO BE THE EXPENDED REQUIREMENTS FOR FOR THAT FLEET.
I'LL INVITE MR. PANDOO TO ADD ANY MORE ELABORATION TO THAT.
OKAY. MR. GREENCORN, I DON'T MIND.
WE HAVE A LEAD TIME, A LONG LEAD TIME ON SOME OF THESE UNITS.
SO THEY SPAN A COUPLE MORE THAN ONE BUDGET SEASON.
SO IT'LL BE TO COVER THOSE LAGGING PURCHASES UNDER FLEET.
AND THEN UNDER THE ACTUAL CAPITAL BUDGET, THERE'S THE ALLOCATION FOR 2025 PURCHASES.
AND THEN WHAT ABOUT THE PAVING PROGRAM CARRY FORWARD? THE EXPLANATION SORT OF MENTIONS A LARGER PATCHING PROGRAM FOR 2025 AND SOME PAVING PROJECTS LIKE ON 49A, ARE THOSE LARGER PATCHING ELEMENTS AND SORT OF 2025 ON PLANNED PAVING PROJECTS CAPTURED IN THE BUDGETED AMOUNTS $348,000 FOR PATCHING AND $200 FOR PAVING OR NOT? MR. VAN DINE.
THANK YOU. I'LL INVITE MR. GREENCORN TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
THERE'S A COUPLE. THERE'S A COUPLE PIECES TO THE PAVING CARRY OVER AMOUNT.
ONE, WE'VE BEEN FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE COMPETITION IN THIS SECTOR OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS.
THE OTHER THING THAT'S REFLECTED HERE THAT IS HARD TO ILLUSTRATE IS WE ALSO RECEIVED FEDERAL FUNDING UNDER THE ICIP PROGRAM UNDER THE ROADS AND TRANSPORTATION FUNDING STREAM, I BELIEVE.
SO WHAT THAT DOES, WHAT THAT DID IS IT FREED UP SOME CAPITAL WHICH CREATED THIS CARRY OVER LIST.
AVENUE RESIDENTS CAME UNDER IN THE SPRING OF 2024.
AND WE DID A LOT OF THAT UNDERGROUND WORK THROUGH THE SERVICE CONNECTION FAILURE ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.
AND THEN THIS WORK IS TO FINISH THAT OFF, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO THAT IS DOWN BY WHERE ROCKCLIFFE APARTMENTS HAD BURNED DOWN.
THAT STREET HAS HAS FALLEN INTO SOME DISREPAIR.
SO THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THIS CARRY OVER WILL WILL FALL.
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ALL RIGHT.SO DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH OF THE $2.4 MILLION CARRY FORWARD IS BEING USED FOR THOSE PROJECTS? MR. VAN DINE.
I'LL INVITE MR. GREENCORN TO ANSWER THAT.
OUR ESTIMATES FROM OUR OUR DESIGN CONSULTANTS PUT THAT WORK AT ABOUT $2.35, SO NOT QUITE ALL OF IT.
ANYTHING LEFT OVER WILL PROBABLY REMAIN IN THE CAPITAL FUND AND CONTRIBUTE EITHER TO OTHER CAPITAL EXPENDITURES OR BE CARRIED FORWARD FOR INCLUSION IN THE OVERALL PAVING PROGRAM, WHICH WILL TACKLE FRANKLIN HILL IN 2026.
AND THEN JUST ONE ON THE COMMUNITY ENERGY PLAN, INTERIOR LED LIGHTING CARRY FORWARD MOSTLY JUST CURIOUS, IT SAYS IT'S GOING TO BE MOVED TO THE CLIMATE AND ENVIRONMENT FUND. I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHAT THAT IS.
MR. VAN DINE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT.
I'LL INVITE MISS WHITE TO RESPOND TO THAT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.
SO AS PART OF THE CURRENT COMMUNITY ENERGY PLAN, THAT COMMUNITY AND CORPORATE ENERGY PLAN, THERE WAS A NUMBER OF ITEMS IN THERE FOR THAT INTERIOR LIGHTING, A NUMBER OF OUR FACILITIES.
THAT PROGRAM HAS FINISHED AS BEST AS WE CAN.
GOING FORWARD A LOT OF THE UPGRADES ARE IN THE O&M FOR THOSE SPECIFIC FACILITIES.
THE REMAINDER OF THE MONEY LOOKING TO PUT IT AT THE CLIMATE CHANGE ACTION PLAN, WHEN WE ACTUALLY HAVE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES AS DETERMINED BY THE COMMUNITY AND COUNCIL, ONCE THAT'S APPROVED, THIS MONEY WOULD GO TOWARDS THOSE EFFORTS.
WE'RE HOPING THAT COMING FORWARD, THERE WILL BE NEW SIMILAR PROJECTS IN THE NEW ACTION PLAN.
THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON CAPITAL CARRY FORWARDS? SEEING NONE, WE'RE THREE MINUTES AWAY FROM OUR BREAK, SO LET'S JUST COME BACK AT 7:00, 07:10, JUST TO BE ON THE HOUR OR ON THE MINUTE.
AND WE WILL START WITH THE CITY HALL RETROFIT, WHICH IS PAGE 108.
OKAY, SO CITY HALL RETROFITS, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, MOTIONS? COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR THE DEEP DIVE ON THE QUESTIONS HERE.
SO IN THE Q&A THAT WE ALL SENT IN EARLIER IN PUBLIC BASICALLY YOU SAID THERE'S THREE OPTIONS THAT WE CAN KIND OF KIND OF DECIDE ON HERE.
SO BEFORE I DO THAT, I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE IF WE APPROVE IT, DOES THAT KIND OF LOCK THAT INTO LIKE, IS IT GOING TO TENDER THIS YEAR? WE'RE KIND OF LIKE, WHERE DOES IT END? LIKE WHERE'S THE STOP POINT IF WE APPROVE THE WHOLE BUDGET THIS TODAY? MR. VAN DINE. SO THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. AND I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION.
YES, WE DID PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION INTO THE Q&A PACKAGE, WHICH IS NO LONGER ON THE WEBSITE, JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, WE ARE UPDATING IT BECAUSE WE HAD ADDITIONAL DETAILS AND ERRORS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CORRECT.
BUT WE WILL BE DOING SO TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR AND TRANSPARENT FOR, FOR YELLOWKNIFERS.
THIS IS NC 1701 FOR THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE.
SO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO DO HERE, BASED ON THE INFORMATION WE COLLECTED AND PRESENTED TO MOMENTS AGO IS TO PROVIDE COUNCIL SORT OF A BIT OF A GLIMPSE OF ON COST ESTIMATES THAT WE HAVE SO FAR.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE INVITING COUNCIL TO DO IS TO PREPARE THEMSELVES FOR A DEEPER DIVE, ACTUALLY, IN 2026 OR 2025 FOR A BUDGET CONSIDERATION IN 2026. THE HIGHER END IS LISTED IN THE IN THE DRAFT WITH RESPECT TO WHAT WE COULD BE LOOKING AT.
AND WE BELIEVE THAT THAT ORDER OF MAGNITUDE INVITES A LARGER DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER COUNCIL REALLY WANTS TO COMMIT THAT LEVEL OF RESOURCING FOR FOR A CITY FACILITY SUCH AS THE CURRENT CONSTRUCT.
IN EACH OF THE OPTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN LAID OUT FROM RELATIVELY MODEST TO SOMETHING QUITE EXTENSIVE.
IT'S STILL DEALING WITH THE EXISTING CONSTRUCT OF OF THE CITY HALL, ACCOMMODATING SOME SLIGHT ADJUSTMENTS FOR ADDITIONAL STAFF GROWTH THAT HAS OCCURRED SINCE THIS BUILDING WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED.
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THE THERE IS A LOWER END OF THE OF THE SPECTRUM THAT WOULD SIMPLY SEE A PATCH, IF YOU WILL, WHICH WOULD BE A SMALL, MODEST ADDITION TO ALLOW THE ACCOMMODATION OF ADDITIONAL STAFF.THE OPTION THAT IS THAT THE HIGHER END, AS MENTIONED EARLIER, DEALS WITH WITH THE DEMO OPTION.
EITHER OF THOSE TWO OPTIONS TO RETROFIT AND DEAL WITH THE CURRENT HEALTH AND SAFETY REQUIREMENTS MODERN VENTILATION, MODERN HEATING, MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT, PLUS ACKNOWLEDGING THE NEED FOR SOME INTERNAL REVAMP TO ACCOMMODATE MODERN OFFICE STANDARDS IN TERMS OF OFFICE SIZE AND CONFIGURATION, THAT IS STILL IN THE ORDER OF AT THAT END OF ABOUT 14 TO $15 MILLION, BASED ON CLASS D ESTIMATES.
WHICH IS A SIZABLE AMOUNT OF DOLLARS FOR FOR YELLOWKNIFERS TO CONSIDER.
LESS THAN A FIREHALL, MIND YOU, BUT CERTAINLY NOT INSIGNIFICANT.
NOT AS MR. GREENCORN MENTIONED EARLIER, MOVE INTO A DESIGN SPEC FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER AND THEN POTENTIALLY GO TO RFP AS WE BELIEVE THAT THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE BEST TIME GIVEN THE OTHER PRESSURES ON OUR CAPITAL BUDGET THAT WE FORESEE IN THE IN THE COMING MONTHS AND YEARS.
THIS COULD PERHAPS BE A Q1 OR Q2 UPDATE TO GPC FOR FURTHER DETAIL ON WHAT'S INVOLVED.
OKAY, SO THE $300 NOW WOULD JUST BE TO CONTINUE EXPLORING THOSE OPTIONS AND THEN TBD ON THE OPTION WE CHOOSE, ESSENTIALLY? MR. VAN DINE. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
THE ONE, THE ONE FOOTNOTE THAT HASN'T BEEN REITERATED THIS EVENING IS THAT WE ARE RIGHT NOW LEASING ADDITIONAL SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEED FOR SPACE IN THE JOHN STERLING BUILDING.
AND SOME OF THOSE COSTS ARE BEING CONTEMPLATED THROUGH SOME OF THIS THESE SOURCES OF FUNDS.
SO I DON'T WANT TO MIX MY APPLES WITH MY ORANGES, BUT FOR TRANSPARENCY PURPOSES WE ARE DEALING WITH AN OLDER BUILDING AND THE MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS OF AN OLDER BUILDING ARE SOMETIMES SURPRISING.
SO WE JUST NEED TO BE READY FOR COUNCIL'S FULL TRANSPARENCY THAT WE MAY HAVE SOME PRESSURES ON OUR SIDE AS WE CONTINUE TO FORMULATE OUR THOUGHTS AND OUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR COUNCIL FOR A LARGER CONSIDERATION.
SO THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WE'VE CONFIGURED OR SORRY, HAVE OUTLINED IN THIS BUDGET IS TO DO THAT ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS AND BE PREPARED FOR OTHER, CONTINGENCIES GOING FORWARD.
THANK YOU. LOOK FORWARD TO FURTHER INFO ON THAT ONE IN Q2.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? COMMENTS. MOTIONS.
A FEW PEOPLE WILL BE MOVING INTO THE POOL.
NEXT COMES TO THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE DOG POUND PAGE 110.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE? MOTIONS. YEP. ALL THAT.
SO I GUESS DEPUTY MAYOR COCHRANE IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THE CHAIR.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, YOUR WORSHIP, BACK TO YOU.
YEAH, FOR ME, I'D LIKE TO STRIKE THIS ITEM FROM THE AGENDA, FROM THE BUDGET.
NO. YEAH. $550,000 FOR CAPITAL.
$45,000 FOR O&M PLUS TWO PYS VERSUS WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING THE 30 TO $63,000.
I THINK WE NEED TO DO A BIT MORE WORK BEFORE WE TAKE THIS NEXT STEP.
SO FOR ME, I'D LIKE TO STRIKE THIS FROM THE BUDGET THIS YEAR IF WE HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION NEXT YEAR AND WE WANT TO INCREASE OUR SERVICE LEVEL STANDARD AND DO THIS, I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION NOW THEN.
BUT FOR NOW I WOULD STRIKE IT FROM THE CAPITAL.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MADAM MAYOR.
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ANY OTHER FURTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS TO THE MOTION? COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH, I AM IN AGREEMENT.
YEAH. I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK DONE BY STAFF TO THIS POINT.
I THINK I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE FURTHER WORK BE DONE TO FIND AN AGREEMENT WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR OR AN ORGANIZATION TO UTILIZE THEIR SKILLS AND EXISTING FACILITIES BEFORE SORT OF OPENING THE DOOR TO A WHOLE NEW CHAPTER OF MÉTIS RESPONSIBILITY.
THANKS. THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN, COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.
THANK YOU. SO YEAH, I SUPPORT AS WELL STRIKING THIS.
WHEN WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO MAYBE INCREASE THAT FOR THE INTERIM TO TRY TO ENTICE SOME MORE OPERATORS? MR. VAN DINE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, WITH WITH RESPECT TO THE RFP, WE CURRENTLY HAVE AN EXPRESSION OF INTEREST IN WHICH WE'RE TRACKING DOWN A VALIDATING ONE, ONE EXPRESSION THAT'S BEEN RECEIVED.
SO THE NEXT OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT WILL BE AFTER WE'VE CONSIDERED FULLY WHERE COUNCIL'S APPETITE IS AND THEN WE MAY HAVE TO REPOST. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO OFFER THAT I BELIEVE INFORMATION WAS SHARED ABOUT WHAT OUR CURRENT INTERIM ARRANGEMENT IS COSTING WITH RESPECT TO THE ABSENCE OF A PERMANENT LONG TERM SUPPLIER.
AND SO THOSE THOSE NUMBERS ARE NOT INSIGNIFICANT.
EXPOSURE THAT THE CITY MAY HAVE RELYING ON CONTRACTING SERVICES GOING FORWARD.
BUT THE NEXT OPPORTUNITY TO ADJUST THAT AMOUNT WOULD BE PROBABLY WITHIN WEEKS.
THANKS. THANK YOU COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.
COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN. THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR COCHRANE.
YEAH. I MEAN, I'M FULLY IN SUPPORT OF THE MAYOR'S PROPOSAL.
JUST IN RELATION TO COUNCILLOR WARBURTON'S QUESTION, IF I REMEMBER IN THE CAPITAL FUND, IT DOES TALK THE PROPOSAL, IT DOES TALK ABOUT ADMIN HAD DONE SOME WORK, AND IT LOOKS LIKE ABOUT $100,000 PER YEAR WOULD BE REQUIRED.
SO I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE MAYBE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT AS FROM COUNCILLOR WARBURTON IS DO WE NEED TO IF WE REMOVE THIS AND WE HAVE CONCERN ABOUT CONTRACTING OUT, DO WE WAIT UNTIL WE SEE THOSE INTERESTS EXPRESSIONS OF INTEREST OR DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THIS ADDITIONAL IN O&M WHEN WE GET TO THAT CONVERSATION? MADAM MAYOR, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY PROCEDURALLY, I'D RECOMMEND ONCE WE GET TO THE MED DIVISION THAT WE COULD INCREASE IT.
AND I KNOW COUNCILLOR WARBURTON WANTS TO DO A MOTION THEN.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANYTHING FURTHER COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN? NOPE. I'M GOOD. THANK YOU SIR.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. YEAH, I THINK JUST TRICKY TIMING, RIGHT.
I THINK WE KNOW THAT THE COST OF LIVING AND PEOPLE ARE LEAVING TOWN.
AND SO I THINK THE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CITY TRY AS HARD AS IT CAN TO FIND CURRENT NORTHERNERS WHO OPERATE BUSINESSES THAT THEY CAN PARTNER WITH OUR NGOS.
SO I THINK JUST RIGHT NOW IS NOT THE TIME.
BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S MORE WORK TO DO TO FIGURE OUT THE MOST OPTIMAL SERVICE MODEL TO TO KIND OF ACHIEVE THIS PUBLIC SAFETY OUTCOME THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AND HELP THE DOGS. BUT ALSO MAYBE THIS ISN'T THE EXACT WAY TO GO ABOUT IT.
SO I'M IN SUPPORT OF STRIKING THE MOTION OR THE MOTION TO STRIKE.
THANKS. THANK YOU COUNCILLOR FEQUET, ANYTHING FURTHER TO THE MOTION? I ALSO AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS MOTION.
SOME OF MY QUESTIONS THAT I HAD WERE RELEVANT TOWARDS AROUND THE FACT THAT WE'RE DOING THIS TO END THE SERVICE AGREEMENT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADD MORE SERVICE AGREEMENTS TOWARDS IT. I THINK THERE'S STILL A LOT OF FLESHING OUT OF THIS WE HAVE TO DO BEFORE WE HAVE IT IN CONSIDERATION TO THE NEW SERVICE STANDARDS.
SO WITH THAT, ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION.
AND WITH THAT, I SHALL PASS THE CHAIR BACK TO THE MAYOR.
NEXT WE HAVE THE COOLER REPLACEMENT AT THE MULTIPLEX.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.
NEXT WE HAVE THE FIRE DIVISION ENGINE TWO RESTORATION QUESTIONS.
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COMMENTS, MOTIONS? COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.YEAH, I WOULD MOVE A MOTION TO CUT THIS FROM THE BUDGET.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON? DEPUTY MAYOR COCHRANE? I AM ALSO IN FULL SUPPORT OF THIS MOTION AT THIS TIME.
I THINK DOWN THE LINE, WHEN WE GET THROUGH ALL OF THE OTHER CRAZY NEW CAPITAL EXPENDITURES THAT ARE COMING THROUGH, THIS MIGHT BE A CONSIDERATION, BUT AT THE MOMENT THIS SEEMS LIKE A LUXURY WE SIMPLY CANNOT AFFORD SO IN THAT FACT, I DO FULLY SUPPORT COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN'S MOTION.
HAVE WE INVESTIGATED ANY, YOU KNOW, PARTNERSHIPS WITH LIKE THE LIKE SIR JOHN HIGH SCHOOL OR SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY ELSE WHO FROM A COMMUNITY PERSPECTIVE COULD WORK ON IMPROVING THIS ASSET THAT WE HAVE THROUGH A DIFFERENT WAY THAN JUST PAYING FOR FROM A CAPITAL EXPENSE? LIKE A SNAP APPRENTICE OR SOMETHING.
THE SHORT ANSWER IS WE HAVE NOT LOOKED AT THOSE KINDS OF OPTIONS IN THIS ENVIRONMENT.
IT IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST, LONGEST SERVING ASSETS.
THAT REPRESENTS A LONG TRADITION OF KEEPING YELLOWKNIFE AND YELLOWKNIFE SAFE IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND WE'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS DOESN'T CONTINUE TO DECLINE IN ITS IN ITS STATE.
THANKS. ANYTHING? YEP. DEPUTY MAYOR COCHRANE THEN COUNCILLOR MCGURK.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. ACTUALLY, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE ADMINISTRATION.
HAS THERE BEEN CONSIDERATION TO APPROACH THE HERITAGE COMMITTEE AND UTILIZE HERITAGE FUNDING TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THIS? NOT YET, BUT IT COULD BE NOTED AS SOMETHING.
ANYTHING FURTHER MR. VAN DINE ON THAT? THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
I DON'T BELIEVE THE HERITAGE BYLAW SORT OF EXTENDS TO MOBILE ASSETS.
WE HAVE USED HERITAGE FUNDING IN THE PAST TO REPAINT BRISTOL FREIGHTER SO IT'S A POSSIBILITY.
COUNCILLOR MCGURK WELL, SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK INTO.
SPEAKING OF HERITAGE FUNDING, JUST HERITAGE CANADA IS ANOTHER POTENTIAL.
BUT I'M WONDERING THE EXTENT OF THE REPAIRS.
ARE THEY, BECAUSE IT SAYS RESTORING TO RESTORE THE VEHICLE TO OPERATING CONDITION.
SO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT JUST ENGINE OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT, LIKE, A FULL, LIKE, FULLY OPERATIONAL? I GUESS BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT IF THERE'S IF THERE'S.
MR. VAN DINE. I'LL BE CORRECTED BY BY MR. MCLEAN. BUT I WOULD SAY I BELIEVE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS HAVE A DRIVABLE NOT TO SEND IT INTO SERVICE IF WE NEED TO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AND THAT CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
NEXT WE HAVE FIRE HALL EQUIPMENT.
ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? DISCUSSION.
NEXT WE HAVE THE FIRE HALL RENOVATIONS AND EXPANSION.
ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? COUNCILLOR FEQUET.
THANKS MADAM CHAIR, JUST CURIOUS FROM OUR OUR LOVELY SITE VISIT TODAY WHERE WE GOT TO SEE THE POOL AND THINKING ABOUT THE MAGNITUDE OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. AND I BELIEVE FROM OUR, IN OUR FIRST TWO YEARS WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE EXISTS A POLICY ABOUT A THRESHOLD OR THE MAGNITUDE OF A PROJECT FOR WHICH WE SECURE OUTSIDE PROJECT MANAGEMENT SUPPORT.
RECOGNIZING THAT EFFICIENT PROJECT MANAGEMENT CAN ACTUALLY SAVE YOU MONEY AND KEEP YOU ON TRACK.
SO JUST WONDERING THE ADMINISTRATION'S THOUGHTS AT THIS TIME ON THAT.
MR. VAN DINE THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
AND YES, I'M VERY PLEASED THAT COUNCIL HAD THE CHANCE TO SEE AND HAVE AN ADVANCE PEEK OF THE AQUATIC CENTRE, WHICH I BELIEVE YELLOWKNIFERS WILL FULLY APPRECIATE AND IN Q2, AT SOME POINT.
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WE ARE VERY PLEASED WITH THE PROGRESS OF THAT PARTICULAR CAPITAL PROJECT AND THE USE OF A CONTRACTED PROJECT MANAGEMENT SERVICE.WITH RESPECT TO THE CURRENT PROJECT BEFORE YOU WITH RESPECT TO THE FIRE HALL UPGRADES AND RENOVATIONS, I DO NOT BELIEVE WE'VE CONTEMPLATED FACTORING IN THAT COST FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
BUT IF COUNCIL'S INTEREST IS IS FOR US TO DO SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE MAGIC THRESHOLD IS, WE'RE GOING $71 MILLION VERSUS JUST NORTH OF $20 IS A MATERIAL DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF SCALE AND SCOPE.
SO I WOULD BE HESITANT TO FULLY COMMIT TO THAT MODEL IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? DISCUSSION? COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.
YEAH. THANK YOU. YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION IT WAS ON MY LIST.
WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO REBUILD THE ENTIRE FIREWALL BY RUNNING A FIREWALL.
SO AND EVERY WALL YOU OPEN UP, YOU'RE GOING TO FIND TEN THINGS WE DIDN'T KNOW WERE THERE.
THANKS. THANK YOU, MR. VAN DINE. I GUESS THE $2 MILLION PLUS THE CARRY FORWARD FOR THIS YEAR.
WOULD ADMINISTRATION HAVE ENOUGH TO CONSIDER THAT? OR WOULD YOU LIKE COUNCIL TO ADD MONEY TO THIS YEAR'S BUDGET? OR WOULD YOU LIKE A DAY TOMORROW TO CONSIDER IT, AND WE PARKING LOT THIS AND COME BACK TOMORROW? I BELIEVE IF I'M PREPARED TO ACCEPT TAKING ON BOARD THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT APPROACH UNDER THE CURRENT ENVELOPE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED, AND IF THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH THAT, I'LL BRING IT BACK AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME, POTENTIALLY IN BUDGET 2026, IF THERE IS AN ISSUE.
ANYTHING FURTHER ON THIS ONE? SEEING NONE.
NEXT WE HAVE FLEET MANAGEMENT.
ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? DISCUSSION? COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.
I GUESS. YEAH, IT WAS ON THE Q&A, BUT FOR THE PUBLIC'S CONSUMPTION.
SO IS THERE LIKE, IS THERE A THRESHOLD IN WHICH THINGS WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED IN FLEET MANAGEMENT? PARTICULARLY IN FIRE TRUCKS? BECAUSE SOME, YOU KNOW, A TRUCK IS $60,000 AND A FIRE TRUCK IS MILLIONS.
IS THERE ANY DELINEATION OR FLEET MANAGEMENT OR WOULD THAT EVER COME BACK TO US, OR IS THAT ALL LUMPED TOGETHER IN THAT PLAN? MR. VAN DINE.
I'LL INVITE MR. GREENCORN TO RESPOND TO THAT.
SORRY, I'LL ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION.
YOU MEAN WOULD THE LIKE A HIGHER END UNIT COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR FINAL APPROVAL? IS THERE A PRICE THRESHOLD WHERE IT WOULD BE A SEPARATE CAPITAL ITEM, OR WOULD EVERYTHING IT'S MOBILE BE IN FLEET REGARDLESS OF PRICE? THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S ROLLED INTO OUR FLEET MANAGEMENT PLAN.
I, I CAN DO ANOTHER PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL IN THE FUTURE.
THERE IS SOME JOCKEYING OF POSITION THERE TO TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT CREATING.
SO IF YOU IF YOU DO LOOK AT THAT CHART, YOU'LL SEE IN THE FUTURE YEARS YOU SEE THOSE TWO BIG SPIKES WE WILL BE DOING JOCKEYING OR SMOOTHING OF THAT PLAN TO TRY TO ELIMINATE THOSE HUGE SPIKES. BUT FOR EXAMPLE, IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, OUT OF THE $2.3 MILLION, PROBABLY $2 MILLION OF THAT WILL BE A FIRE TRUCK.
IS THAT EVER CONSIDERED ABOUT THE IMPACT ON OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY, I.E.
ROAD WIDTHS OR HOW WE'RE BUILDING THE CITY OUT? BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT THING THAT GETS BROUGHT UP A LOT WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING.
WELL, I NEED A FIRE TRUCK IN HERE, FOR EXAMPLE.
SO IS THERE ANY OF THAT CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT BUYING THESE LARGE ASSETS ON HOW THEY AFFECT OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY? MR. VAN DINE. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, FOR THE QUESTION.
SO IF I MAY, I BELIEVE THAT THE COUNCILLOR WARBURTON IS RAISING A NUMBER OF ELEMENTS THAT I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM. ONE IS WHAT ARE WHAT IS THE LINE OF SIGHT FOR COUNCIL, THIS COUNCIL OR FUTURE COUNCILS TO HAVE ON LARGE CAPITAL ACQUISITIONS WITH RESPECT
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TO MOBILE EQUIPMENT AND THE RELATIVE NEED FROM A, FROM A, FROM A PUBLIC INTEREST OR PUBLIC BENEFIT POINT OF VIEW FOR SUCH AN INNOVATION OR PURCHASE. SO THAT'S AN ACCOUNTABILITY QUESTION.I WOULD OFFER THAT COUNCILLOR WARBURTON AND THE REST OF COUNCIL IS AWARE WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH OUR ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN, WHICH IN WHICH WE'RE TRYING TO IDENTIFY A BETTER METHODOLOGY WITH WHICH TO BRING TO LIGHT FOR YELLOWKNIFERS, THE TRUE COST OF MANAGING ALL OF THE ASSETS THAT WE HAVE WITHIN WITHIN THE CITY, INCLUDING MOBILE ASSETS. IN THAT CASE, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE BEST METHODOLOGIES THAT OTHER LARGE MUNICIPALITIES ACROSS CANADA ARE ALSO ADOPTING WITH RESPECT TO ASSET MANAGEMENT.
WITH RESPECT TO THE INDEPENDENT DECISION OF WHETHER WE'RE CHOOSING PRODUCT X OR PRODUCT Y, AND WHETHER THAT X OR Y IS CONFORMING WITH, LET'S SAY, THE BACK ALLEYS OF THE FLATS IN OLD TOWN, AND WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE A VEHICLE IN THERE.
I'LL INVITE MR. GREENCORN TO ELABORATE ON WHAT CONSIDERATIONS GO INTO OUR CURRENT PURCHASE DECISIONS.
I WOULD SAY IT DEPENDS ON THE SECTOR.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO I INVITE DIRECTOR MCLEAN TO SPEAK TO THE SPECKING AND THE AND THE SPECIFICATIONS AND THE THE DETAILS OF EACH SPECIFIC FIRE UNIT. BUT I CAN SAY THAT ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT MR. VAN DINE JUST SAID, WHEN WE DO SPEC A LOADER OR GRADER THAT IT'S FLEXIBLE AND ABLE TO BE USED IN MULTIPLE AVENUES, WHETHER IT'S RIPPING SNOW OR GRADING DIRT ROADS IN KAM LAKE SOMEWHERE.
BUT YEAH, I'LL JUST I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
IF I CAN I WILL REDIRECT IT TO MR. MCLEAN WITH THE PROVISO IF YOU'LL, IF YOU'LL PERMIT ME TO SAY, WOULD WE EVER PURCHASE A LARGE NEW PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT MIGHT REQUIRE THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE TO CHANGE ITS ENTIRE STREET PATTERN TO ACCOMMODATE A NEW VEHICLE PURCHASE? THANKS FOR THE QUESTION.
WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT VARIOUS AREAS IN THE CITY THAT HAVE DIFFERENT ROAD WIDTHS.
WE HAVE HYDRANT AND UN-HYDRATED AREAS IN THE CITY.
AND THEN WE HAVE WHAT ARE CALLED NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION STANDARDS THAT ARE MORE OR LESS NATIONAL CANADA US STANDARDS THAT WE TRY TO ADHERE TO FOR BEST PRACTICES ON FIRE APPARATUS.
SO LONG STORY SHORT, IS WHEN WE'RE IN NON HYDRATED AREAS, OUR GOAL FOR THOSE AREAS ARE BIGGER WATER TRUCKS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAUL THE WATER TO THE SCENE FOR FIREFIGHTER APPLICATION.
BUT THAT BEING SAID, WE ALSO NEED TO CONTEMPLATE THE WIDTHS OF THOSE STREETS.
WHEN IT COMES TO FIRE APPARATUS THEMSELVES.
THAT'S WHY YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED THAT WE HAVE LARGER QUINTS, WHICH ARE MULTI USE TRUCKS WITH AERIAL LADDERS ON THEM FOR SOME OF OUR HIGHER MULTI STORY BUILDINGS IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A PUMPER TANKER AND WHAT THAT ALLOWS US TO DO IT'S A SMALLER PROFILE VEHICLE WHICH ALLOWS US TO TO DEPLOY TO THOSE SMALLER AREAS.
DEPENDING ON THE MECHANICAL STATUS OF THOSE UNITS, THEY'RE OFTEN USED INTERCHANGEABLY.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
THIS IS INCREMENTAL OVER TIME.
WE ALL OF A SUDDEN FIND OURSELVES WE HAVE A FLEET DOESN'T FIT ANYMORE.
AND THEN I'VE SEEN IT DOWN SOUTH WHERE A CITY WILL THEN CHANGE THEIR SPECS ON THEIR ROAD WIDTHS.
OR THEY'LL START LIKE THERE'S A CAPITAL COST TO TO BUYING THINGS THAT ARE TOO BIG FOR YOUR CITY.
I DON'T WANT TO REDESIGN A CITY FOR A TRUCK.
I WANT TO BUY A TRUCK THAT FITS MY CITY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON FLEET MANAGEMENT SEEING NONE.
NEXT WE HAVE THE FUEL TANK REPLACEMENT STUDY.
ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.
SO THE $100,000 THIS YEAR IS FOR EXPLORATION.
THE I KNOW WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT 26 BUDGET, BUT THE NUMBER FOR 26, THAT IS FOR REPLACEMENT.
CORRECT. SO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR.
MR. VAN DINE. I'LL JUST CONFER WITH DIRECTOR WHITE.
IF NEEDED THE MONEY'S BEEN IDENTIFIED IN 2026 TO REMOVE AND REPLACE.
THANKS. SO IS THERE DEPENDING ON EXPIRATION, I UNDERSTAND THESE THINGS MAY NEED TO HAPPEN SOONER.
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SO IF WE NEED TO DO IT, SAY THIS YEAR WOULD THAT BE JUST COME BACK TO US FOR ADDITIONAL MONEY OR HOW WOULD THAT WORK? BASICALLY, IF THERE'S SOMETHING, IS THERE AN ISSUE? WE DON'T WANT TO LEAVE IT FOR A YEAR.SO WE'VE BROUGHT FORWARD THIS BUDGET PROPOSAL WITH THE WITH THE INTENTION THAT IF APPROVED, WE WOULD NO LONGER REQUIRE TO GO BACK TO TO COUNCIL IF THERE IS AN UNFORESEEN IN WHICH THE STUDY REVEALS A HIGHER THAN INTENDED COST WE WOULD CERTAINLY WANT TO DO A SIGNALS CHECK WITH COUNCIL WITH RESPECT TO WHAT THE MATERIAL IMPACT ON THE CITY'S FINANCES MIGHT BE WITH RESPECT TO THAT CHANGE BEFORE WE WENT AHEAD.
BUT JUST TO CONFIRM, IF IN 2025 IT WAS DEEMED SO URGENT, YOU NEEDED TO DO HALF $1 MILLION WORTH OF WORK BEFORE SPENDING THAT MONEY ADMINISTRATION WOULD COME FORWARD AND USE FUNDING OUT OF THE CAPITAL FUND MR. VAN DINE? RIGHT, YES, MADAM CHAIR.
MY SECOND IS, DO WE HAVE ANY REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ANY CONTAMINATION OR ANYTHING AROUND? IF IF THAT HALF $1 MILLION IN THE 2026 YEAR IS JUST FOR REPLACEMENT, IS THERE ANY POTENTIAL THAT THERE MIGHT BE MORE COSTS REQUIRED FOR ANY REMEDIATION? OR DO WE HAVE ANY LINE OF SIGHT ON ON THAT? MR. VAN DINE, WE HAVE NO LINE OF SIGHT, SO IT'S JUST WE'D HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL WE STARTED GETTING TO IT BEFORE WE HAD A FULLER PICTURE AS TO WHAT WHAT THE SCALE OF THE OPERATION MIGHT BE. THESE ARE OUR BEST ESTIMATES BASED ON AVAILABLE INFORMATION.
THANKS AND THANKS THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND JUST CURIOUS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER FUEL TANKS THAT WE RECENTLY FOUND OUT ABOUT OR OR ARE WORRIED ABOUT IN THE NEAR FUTURE THAT AS PART OF AS PART OF THIS ENLIGHTENMENT? MR. VAN DINE. NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE AT THIS JUNCTURE AND IF WE DO FIND ANY, WE'LL BE SURE TO TELL YOU.
I HOPE I DON'T HEAR FROM YOU. THANKS.
THE NEXT IS HOUSING ACCELERATOR FUND.
ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.
I FEEL LIKE I'M TALKING A LOT HERE.
SO YEAH, IN THE Q&A, I DID ASK THIS I KNOW THE ANSWER THE FUNDING IS YEARLY.
IF WE DIDN'T GET THE WHOLE FOUR YEAR CYCLE IS ARE WE STILL ABLE TO KIND OF, ARE WE LEFT ON A CLIFF WITH THE PROJECT HALF DONE, OR ARE WE KIND OF THINKING IN YEARLY CYCLES SO WE CAN KIND OF USE THAT FUNDING AND THEN IF IT DROPS OFF WE'RE NOT IN A BIND? MR. VAN DINE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.
SO WITH RESPECT TO THE POTENTIAL OF OF A CHANGE IN POLICY THAT MIGHT COME FROM THE SOURCE OF FUNDS.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE.
NEXT, WE HAVE THE IT INFRASTRUCTURE RENEWAL.
NEXT WE HAVE LIFT STATION NUMBER ONE REPLACEMENT.
ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN.
FIRST OFF, WHAT IS THE FEDERAL FUNDING POT THAT WE ARE APPLYING FOR FOR THE LIFT STATION ONE PROJECT? MR. VAN DINE.
WE'VE RECENTLY ARE COMPLETING OUR APPLICATION.
I'M NOT SURE IF WE'RE QUITE DONE YET.
BUT FOR GREATER GRANULARITY, IN THE NAME OF THE PROGRAM, I'LL INVITE MR. GREENCORN TO RESPOND TO THAT.
SURE. IT FALLS UNDER CHIF FUNDING SPECIFICALLY.
THERE ARE STREAMS. THERE'S A DIRECT FUNDING STREAM WHICH IS DIRECT FROM THE MUNICIPALITY TO OR FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO THE MUNICIPALITY.
THERE'S ALSO GOING TO BE PTA AGREEMENTS COMING FORWARD, SO PROVINCIAL, TERRITORIAL.
WE'VE MET WITH MACA NORTH SLAVE METIS TO DISCUSS THOSE.
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YEAH, THAT INFRASTRUCTURE CANADA HOUSING INFRASTRUCTURE FUND.SO IS THE APPLICATION, ARE WE LOOKING FOR FULL COST RECOVERY OR PARTIAL OR WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? MR. VAN DINE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.
WE ARE LOOKING FOR 100% RECOVERY.
AND ARE WE RELATIVELY CONFIDENT WE WILL RECEIVE THIS FUNDING? EVERY MUNICIPALITY ACROSS CANADA IS GOING FOR IT, SO FINGERS CROSSED.
YEAH. MR. VAN DINE, WE'RE ENCOURAGED BY THE FACT THAT OUR COLLEAGUES AT MUNICIPAL AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS, WHO ALSO HAVE A LINE OF SIGHT ON SUCH PROGRAMS, ARE VERY SENSITIZED TO THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS PROJECT.
AND FOR THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE AND OUR FUTURE GROWTH, AS WELL AS EXISTING RESIDENTS.
SO WE'RE REASONABLY CONFIDENT THAT WE HAVE A STRONG CASE.
WE'RE JUST MAKING SURE, AS MR. GREENCORN HAS, HAS POINTED OUT, THAT WE ARE MAKING SURE ALL THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF THE PROPOSAL ARE AS STRONG AND AS COMPLETE AS POSSIBLE.
AND DO WE HAVE A TIMELINE? I KNOW OUR APPLICATION IS NOT IN YET.
DO WE HAVE A TIMELINE ON ROUGHLY WHAT THE FED'S TIMELINE IS FOR THIS FUNDING? MR. VAN DINE.
IT WILL BE AFTER YOU DECIDE UPON BUDGET 2025.
FAIR ENOUGH. AND I GUESS MY LAST QUESTION IS, IS IF THIS FUNDING COMES THROUGH SO WE APPROVE IT, WHICH I AM FULLY IN SUPPORT OF BUT THEN THE FUNDING COMES THROUGH, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE FUNDING THAT WE'VE ALLOCATED NOW? DOES IT STAY IN THE CAPITAL FUND AND THEN THAT ALLOWS FUTURE SPACE? IS IT AS SIMPLE AS THAT? SORRY I KEEP HITTING MY MIC THERE.
MR. VAN DINE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
SO SIMILAR TO THE EXERCISE THAT WE JUST WENT THROUGH EARLIER IN TONIGHT'S REVIEW.
THANKS VERY MUCH. I HAVE COUNCILLOR FEQUET THEN COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.
JUST SAME QUESTION ABOUT EXTERNAL PROJECT MANAGEMENT SUPPORT.
OBVIOUSLY THIS ONE IS TWICE AS BIG AS THE FIRE HALL EXPANSION.
SO IS IT SAFE TO ASSUME THAT WITHIN THE FUNDING ENVELOPE, WE WILL BE CONSIDERING HOW TO BEST SUPPORT THE TEAM? MR. VAN DINE.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION.
AND ABSOLUTELY, WE WOULD LIKE TO ADOPT A SIMILAR BUSINESS PRACTICE ON FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
MCLENNAN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
JUST CURIOUS ON THE TIMELINE WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR CONSTRUCTION AND SORT OF IMPACTS TO THE PUBLIC DETOURS, ANYTHING COMING UP SUMMER 2025 OR SORT OF LATER IN THE YEAR 26? MR. VAN DINE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR, FOR THE QUESTION.
WE WOULD BE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE THAT KIND OF PROBLEM OF REDIRECTION OF TRAFFIC SHOULD WE RECEIVE FUNDING TO ALLOW US, OR AT LEAST PREDICTABILITY, AND HAVE A SUCCESSFUL RFP.
THE CURRENT TIMELINE, BASED ON COUNCIL'S APPROVAL AND THE RISK MANAGEMENT THAT COUNCIL IS BEING ASKED TO ASSUME WITH A PROJECT OF THIS NATURE, IS TO ASSUME WHAT WE UNDERSTAND TO BE THE FULL ESTIMATED COSTS OF THIS PROJECT SO THAT WE CAN GO TO RFP.
WE'D LIKE TO GO TO RFP AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE EARLY IN THE NEW YEAR, HOPEFULLY HAVE THAT DETERMINED.
BUT THAT IS ALL CONTINGENT ON A LOT OF IFS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE.
NEXT, WE HAVE THE NEW LANDFILL AND LANDFILL EXPANSION.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, MOTIONS, ETC.? COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.
SO HOW LONG DO WE EXPECT THE CELL TO LAST? AND WHAT'S SORT OF THE TIME FRAME FOR FOR NEEDING ANOTHER ONE BEYOND THIS? JUST SORT OF LONG TERM THINKING.
THANK YOU. I THINK WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF LIFE LEFT IN THIS, BUT I'LL TURN TO MR. GREENCORN TO TO GIVE US THE THE BEST ESTIMATES THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
THANKS. I BELIEVE WE STILL HAVE AT LEAST TWO YEARS IN OUR CURRENT CELL.
THIS WILL PROVIDE US I MEAN, I CAN'T BE HELD TO TASK ON THIS BECAUSE YELLOWKNIFER PRODUCE AN ABSORBENT AMOUNT OF WASTE.
IF WE MAKE GAINS IN OUR PROCESS, POST PROCESSING AND DIVERSION EFFORTS, WE HOPE TO EXTEND THAT.
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GROWTH. ALL RIGHT.AWESOME. LET'S GO YELLOWKNIFE AND HIT 15 YEARS.
WOO HOO! ANYTHING FURTHER? SEEING NONE.
NEXT WE HAVE OUTDOOR RECREATION.
ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? MOTIONS? COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THIS FOR THE OUTDOOR RECREATION TO CUT THE 233 IN 2025 AND 200,000 IN 2026 FOR THE FRITZ THIELE SOCCER FIELD UPGRADE.
ARE WE ON THAT? I'M LOOKING AT OUTDOOR.
WE ARE WE ARE MAKING SURE IS 2026 200 K ASSOCIATED WITH FRITZ THIELE? NO, IT'S A DIFFERENT PROJECT, SO JUST FOCUSING ON 2025.
THEN SO OPENING IT UP, COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO WHY YOU'RE PROPOSING THAT? YEAH, I'M I HAVE NOT HEARD ONCE FROM A RESIDENT REGARDING THIS PROJECT.
THAT ALSO HAVE LONG TERM FIELD MAINTENANCE ISSUES.
AND SO I JUST FEEL LIKE ADDING ANOTHER ASSET OUTDOOR THAT WE HAVE A HARD TIME MAINTAINING.
I JUST THINK AT THIS TIME IT'S NOT THE RIGHT USE OF FUNDS.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS ON THIS? COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN? YEAH.
ANYTHING FURTHER? I'M OKAY WITH SUPPORTING THE MOTION TOO, APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY THE CITY COULD HAVE TO RENT ANOTHER FIELD.
SO I'M OKAY WITH KEEPING IT AS THE CURRENT LITTLE GREEN SPACE THAT IT IS.
NONE OF THAT BUDGET WAS CONTEMPLATED.
LIKE THAT WAS COMPLETE REVISION.
BUT WHAT DO YOU HAVE IN THE O&M TO TALK ABOUT LATER? THE ABILITY TO MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S FENCE POSTS, BEEN SITTING THERE FOR FOUR YEARS OR FIVE YEARS AND IS THEIR ABILITY TO DO ANY KIND OF JUST MAKE WHAT WE HAVE THERE JUST A LITTLE LESS DANGEROUS.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I'LL INVITE MR. WHITE TO RESPOND. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IT IS A CITY ASSET, SO WE DO KEEP IT AS SAFE AS WE CAN.
THERE'S A LOT OF HAZARDS THAT COULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO ANKLES, KNEES, FEET.
SO WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO USE IT.
AND IT'S NOT PART OF OUR RENTAL ARSENAL RIGHT NOW.
THANKS. SEEING NOTHING FURTHER.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AND THAT CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
NEXT WE HAVE PARK EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENTS.
ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? DISCUSSION. DEPUTY MAYOR COCHRANE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE A MOTION TO DEFER THE RESURFACING OF THE THREE PROPOSED TENNIS FACILITIES FROM THE SOMBA K'E RESERVOIR AND NIVEN LAKE AND DEFER THEM TO 2026 BUDGET.
AND ADMINISTRATION, DO YOU HAVE THE BREAKDOWN? BECAUSE THIS IS TENNIS COURTS PLUS JOSEPHINE WALZER PLAYGROUND.
MR. VAN DINE, I'LL ASK IF MR. WHITE HAS THAT HANDY.
AND POTENTIALLY ASSISTED BY MR. PANDOO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THE JOSEPHINE WALZER PLAYGROUND BREAKDOWN IS $170,000.
THERE'S SOME EXTENSIVE SITE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, AS WELL AS NEW APPARATUS.
AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE TENNIS COURTS, THE OVERALL COST IS $310,000.
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IT'S HEAVILY DAMAGED FROM ONGOING VANDALISM.WE KEEP UP THE BEST WE CAN, BUT IT'S COME TO A POINT NOW WHERE IT IS IN MUCH NEED OF REPAIR.
DEPUTY MAYOR COCHRANE, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO YOUR MOTION? ABSOLUTELY, MADAM CHAIR. THE REASON WHY I'M DOING THIS IS ACTUALLY IN RELATION TOWARDS THE TENNIS COURT.
I THINK THIS COULD BE A VERY MAJOR ASSET, NOT ONLY TOWARDS THIS COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE, BUT TO THE NORTHERN ARTS COMMUNITY, AND I THINK IT IS BEST FOR US TO WAIT, TAKE THAT UNDER CONSIDERATION. AND IF IT DOESN'T GO THROUGH, THERE'S ALWAYS NEXT YEAR.
AND YOUR MOTION WAS ACTUALLY TO DEFER THE TENNIS COURT.
SO THE $310,000 WOULD BE DEFERRED TO 2026 WITH $170 K STAYING IN THAT ONE.
I'VE GOT COUNCILLOR ARDEN-SMITH AND COUNCILLOR FEQUET.
THANK YOU. I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR ADMINISTRATION.
NOTING THAT $80,000 IS OTHER GRANTS.
IS THAT FOR A PARTICULAR FIXTURE? IS IT IS IT MEANT FOR ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR, OR IS IT JUST MONEY MEANT FOR EQUIPMENT IN GENERAL? BECAUSE I NOTE THAT WE ALSO DON'T HAVE IT IN 2026, BUT THEN WE HAVE IT AGAIN IN 2027.
THAT ONE'S [INAUDIBLE] FUNDING FOR RECREATION.
SO WE'RE ABLE TO KIND OF USE IT, BUT IT HAS TO BE FOR RECREATION.
MR. VAN DINE. I THINK MADAM CHAIR HAS ANSWERED THAT.
PERFECT. OTHER THAN THAT, I'M IN COMPLETE SUPPORT OF THE MOTION AT HAND.
THANKS, MADAM CHAIR. JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
YEAH. I WAS IN TOUCH WITH THE SAME FOLKS THAT DEPUTY MAYOR COCHRANE WAS.
I JUST WANTED TO CHECK A FEW THINGS.
FIRST IS ADMINISTRATION DO THE TENNIS COURTS AT THE THREE LOCATIONS HAVE TO BE RESURFACED, OR IS THERE AN ECONOMY OF SCALE OF DOING IT AT THE SAME TIME IN THE SAME YEAR, I.E.
IF WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO SOME [INAUDIBLE] NEXT YEAR, IS IT STILL MAKES SENSE TO DO THE OTHER TWO AS FAR AS THE MAYBE THE SAFETY CONCERNS OR THE RISKS OR THE QUALITY OF THOSE COURTS, OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO DO AT THE SAME TIME FOR ALL THREE? MR. VAN DINE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
I DO BELIEVE IT'S MATERIAL IN TERMS OF THE POSSIBILITY OF THE PROPOSAL COMING FORWARD FOR FOR THE [INAUDIBLE] CENTRE, WHICH I BELIEVE WOULD BE A WONDERFUL ADDITION TO THE CITY AND FOR THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF RESIDENTS.
I WOULD OFFER PUTTING ON MY VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY DATED URBAN PLANNING EXPERIENCE BACK IN THE DAY WHEN I WAS EMPLOYED HERE AT THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE IN 1991.
IT IT IT THE RELATIVE COST OF RESURFACING FOR PROJECTS SUCH AS THIS AS MR. GREENCORN HAS POINTED OUT, WE DO HAVE OTHER SUPPLIERS IN THE, IN THE AREA THAT ARE NOW PROVIDING MORE COMPETITIVE PRICING AROUND RESURFACING, RESURFACING TYPES OF THINGS.
I WOULD DON'T NEED TO REMIND COUNCIL ABOUT THE LEVEL OF QUALITY OF RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES THAT RESIDENTS IN THE AREA DERIVE FROM THAT PARTICULAR SITE.
AND I WOULD OFFER THAT THE TIMELINE BETWEEN WHEN SUCH A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY OF AN ARTS CENTRE COMES ON STREAM AND WHEN THESE UPGRADES WOULD BE DONE, WOULD BE SUCH THAT I BELIEVE THAT THERE COULD BE STILL VALUE IN DOING THE UPGRADES TO ALLOW FOR THE BENEFIT AND THE USE OF THAT FACILITY.
THOSE FACILITIES, UNTIL SUCH TIME AS ALL OF THE DECISIONS HAVE BEEN TAKEN WITH RESPECT TO THE FUTURE USE OF THAT, THAT PARTICULAR SITE, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE, NECESSARILY. I BELIEVE THERE'S POTENTIALLY SUFFICIENT TIME, BUT I OFFER THAT FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION IN THEIR DELIBERATIONS.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT.
DID I I THINK IF I HEARD THE PART, WHAT YOU SAID THERE AT THE END IS THAT IT DOESN'T HURT FOR US TO APPROVE THESE SHOULD WE SUPPORT THIS EXPENSE, THIS COST, THIS RESURFACING, KNOWING THAT, OF COURSE, THERE'S A POTENTIAL AWESOME OPPORTUNITY COMING UP THAT IF IT COMES TO FRUITION AND IF THAT SITE IS THEIR PREFERRED SITE WHAT WHEN IS THE SOONEST THAT THAT WORK WOULD TAKE PLACE IF THIS WAS APPROVED TODAY AT THE RESURFACING?
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THAT WOULD BE THIS SUMMER.YEAH. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILLOR FEQUET? NO. COUNCILLOR MCGURK.
I GUESS JUST A QUESTION TOWARDS COUNCILLOR COCHRANE.
DID THEY GIVE YOU ANY ESTIMATED TIMELINE AS TO WHEN THEY WOULD WANT TO OR NEED TO ACCESS THAT LAND? WELL, THEY HAVE GIVEN ME THE INFORMATION THAT THEY WILL BE APPROACHING US VERY SHORTLY, PROBABLY WITHIN Q2, WITH THEIR ASKS, WITH THE DECISION TO BE MADE SHORTLY AFTER THAT, PROBABLY FOR BUDGET 2026, AS I WOULD ASSUME.
I THINK I'M LEANING TOWARDS NOT SUPPORTING THE MOTION FOR THAT REASON.
AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THE GAMBLE THAT IT THEY'D BE TORN DOWN SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, I GUESS.
I APPRECIATE IT. ONE THING I WOULD SAY, THOUGH, IS I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF US INVESTING IN RESURFACING FOR SOMETHING ONLY TO BE TORN DOWN, POSSIBLY WITHIN A YEAR TO TWO YEAR LATER.
IT'S THERE OVERALL CONSTRUCTION PLAN IS TO BEGIN IT WITHIN 2027 AND 2028.
SO AT THAT POINT, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY HAVE THE BACKING.
AND THAT BEING SAID, THAT THE CITY ISN'T NECESSARILY GOING TO SELL THE LAND, DONATE THE LAND.
THERE'S STILL LOTS TO BE WORKED OUT.
IT'S THEY'RE INTERESTED IN THAT LOT AND INCREASES.
SO YEAH, JUST A BIG PREFACE ON ALL THAT.
NEXT. YES. COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN.
I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION TO DEFER IT, AND I THINK KEY ON DEFERRING IT.
AND I'M GOING TO DO SOMETHING I HATE WHEN POLITICIANS DO, BUT JUST LIKE MY OWN EXPERIENCE, LIKE IF YOU'RE KILLING IT ON THE SAMBA K'E COURTS, IT MIGHT NOT BE GREAT, BUT I PLAY ON IT AND IT'S YES, IT CAN DEFINITELY USE SOME UPGRADES, BUT IF YOU'RE GOING OUT FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S DOABLE.
SO I WOULD SAY TO DEFER ONE MORE YEAR TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THIS THOUGHT AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS IT AGAIN AT BUDGET 2026 WITH HOPEFULLY SOME MORE INFORMATION BEHIND IT, I THINK IS TOTALLY APPROPRIATE BECAUSE WE DO.
STILL, WE HAVE TO REMEMBER IT'S NOT LIKE THE COURTS ARE THE ONLY COURTS IN TOWN.
WE DO HAVE OTHER COURTS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO KILL IT.
AND THEN SOME CASE FOR THE PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF WHO ARE LACKADAISICALLY SWATTING A TENNIS BALL.
ANYWAY, FOR JUST FOR SOME ADDITIONAL CONTEXT.
YELLOWKNIFE OPEN MAY NOT BE HELD THERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I JUST HAVE. I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED TO SEE IT BACK AGAIN, BECAUSE WE JUST RESURFACED ALL THE TENNIS COURTS SEVEN YEARS AGO.
SO IS THAT THE LIFE CYCLE THAT WE'RE REPLACING COURT? AND OF COURSE, THE PRICES HAVE DOUBLED IN SEVEN YEARS.
SO OUR COURTS RESURFACING A SEVEN YEAR ASSET MANAGEMENT FOR US.
MR. VAN DINE. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
THANK YOU FOR GIVING US A LITTLE BIT OF A HEADS UP.
WITH THE PARTICULAR SITES THAT ARE REFERENCED IN THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL, WE DID NOT HAVE GREAT LUCK IN THE LAST RESURFACING EXERCISE IN TERMS OF QUALITY OF RESURFACING.
THAT WAS DONE, WHICH LED US TO THE NEED TO BRING IT BACK AT THIS JUNCTURE.
SO TO TO ARTICULATE A STANDARD THAT WE WOULD BE DOING RESURFACING, RESURFACING ON THIS KIND OF LIFE CYCLE I'M NOT ABLE TO TO SORT OF GIVE THAT KIND OF ATTESTATION AT A TASTE THAT.
WELL, I CAN'T CONFIRM THAT TODAY.
BUT BUT I WOULD MAYBE INVITE MR. GRANT TO TO ELABORATE FURTHER IF IF COUNCIL PLEASES.
SORRY, MR. WHITE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YEAH. SO I WHEN WE PUT OUT THE RFP WHAT I GUESS 7 OR 8 YEARS AGO I DON'T THINK WE WERE VERY CLEAR ON THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE AMOUNT OF USE AND ABUSE THAT OUR COURTS GOT.
GOING FORWARD, WHETHER IT'S IN 2025, 26, 27, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THAT.
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THANK YOU. 20 YEARS I APPRECIATE MUCH MORE THAN SEVEN.I WAS A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT THE LIFE CYCLE OF THESE COURTS.
I AM IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION AS PRESENTED, BECAUSE I'M ALSO LOOKING AT THE CAPITAL CARRY FORWARDS THAT COMMUNITY SERVICES HAS ON THEIR PLATE ALONG WITH THE AQUATIC CENTRE.
AND SO FOR ME, I'D LIKE TO REALLY KNOCK OFF SOME OF OUR, OUR CARRY FORWARDS BEFORE GOING AHEAD.
ANYTHING FURTHER ON THE MOTION TO THE MOTION TO DEFER THE TENNIS COURTS AND PROCEED WITH THE PARK? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AND THAT CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
NEXT WE HAVE THE PATCHING PROGRAM.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE OLD PATCHING PROGRAM? SEEING? NONE.
NEXT WE HAVE THE PAVING PROGRAM.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PAVING PROGRAM OR MOTIONS? COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.
YES. I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT SPOT FOR THIS ONE.
SO THE MOTION WOULD BE THAT ADMINISTRATION INCORPORATE AN ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY DESIGN WHEN RECONSTRUCTING THE CROSSWALKS AT ÉCOLE SAINT JOSEPH AND MCPHERSON.
WE'LL GET TO YOUR MOTION, BUT THANK YOU FOR THE PREEMPTIVE WHAT'S THAT? YEAH.
I JUST HAD I JUST HAD A QUESTION.
WAS THAT YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING TO BE THE YEAR TO PLAN FOR THE FRANKLIN HILL.
AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION INCORPORATED INTO THE DESIGN.
SO WE HAVEN'T HAD THE DESIGN STANDARDS COME TO COUNCIL YET.
SO MR. VAN DINE IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET THE DESIGN STANDARDS TO, TO COME FORWARD TO COUNCIL SO THAT WE CAN WEIGH IN ON THIS BEFORE IT GOES OUT TO RFP? THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
SO IN IN THE WORLD THAT WE'RE PLANNING FOR, WE WOULD BE IN A WE'RE OPERATING UNDER THE PRESUMPTION THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO OUR UPDATED MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
ONCE YOU HAVE YOUR MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO UPDATE OUR STANDARDS.
THE WORLD DOES NOT OPERATE THE WAY THAT ADMINISTRATION WOULD LIKE FROM TIME TO TIME.
AND SO WHAT I BELIEVE IS BEING PROPOSED IS THE UPDATE TO OUR CURRENT STANDARDS TO ACCOMMODATE A POTENTIALLY A WIDER PIECE OF WORK WITH RESPECT TO THAT UPGRADE.
WE WILL TAKE THAT ON BOARD AS A, A PIECE OF A QUESTION FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
I'M RELUCTANT TO COMMIT TO AN UPDATE TO THE DESIGN GUIDELINES BECAUSE THEY SPEAK TO A WIDE VARIETY OF DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS BEYOND TRANSPORTATION, AND WE'RE NOT IN A POSITION, I BELIEVE, AT THIS POINT TO ACCOMMODATE A WORK PLAN ADJUSTMENT TO DO SUCH A REVIEW.
BUT ON THIS SITE SPECIFIC QUESTION, I BELIEVE WE'RE WE WOULD WE COULD CONSIDER GIVING SOME THOUGHT TO WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE IN THIS PARTICULAR CONTEXT. AND I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO GO DESIGN STREET BY STREET.
I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO DO SURVEY MONKEY ON WHAT IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE.
WE END UP GETTING A LOT OF GROANS 52ND AVE.
SO IS JUST WONDERING ABOUT A MOTION ABOUT ADMINISTRATION INCORPORATE AN ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION DESIGN WHEN RECONSTRUCTING FRANKLIN AVE BETWEEN 44TH STREET AND 41ST STREET, FRANKLIN HILL.
MR. VAN DINE WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THE ADVISABILITY OF PUTTING THAT MOTION FORWARD? I BELIEVE MR. GREENCORN WOULD LOVE TO SPEAK TO THE ADVISABILITY OF THAT PARTICULAR MOTION, AND I WILL LET HIM DO SO.
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IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL BETTER.I'M JUST KIDDING. THERE ARE CURRENTLY ON STREET BIKE LANES.
I THINK WE ARE GOING TO NATURALLY CONTEMPLATE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION.
I THINK WE WOULD DO SOME, PUT SOME THOUGHT INTO WHETHER WE WANT TO KEEP THEM ON STREET OR WE WANT TO MOVE TO THE WIDER THREE METER MULTI-USE PATH LIKELY TO THE IF GOING DOWNHILL OR TO THE NORTH ON THE EAST SIDE OF FRANKLIN HILL, OR IF WE MAINTAIN THE EXISTING ON STREET PAINTED BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND I'VE SEEN IT IN VANCOUVER WHERE YOU'VE GOT THIS IS THE STENCIL OF THE BIKER.
AND THIS IS WHERE PEOPLE WALK VERSUS CARS CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW.
THEY'RE JUST REALLY NICE THAT THEY'RE REALLY WIDE.
AND TWO PEOPLE CAN WALK WITH STROLLERS, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY BIKE LANE AND AND WALKING LANES.
SO IF THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY HAVE A RAISED SIDEWALK OR A RAISED, RAISED BIKE LANE DEDICATED WALKING I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT.
SO I THINK IF WE WANT TO DO A MOTION, THEN WE CAN.
COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN WOULD YOU LIKE TO TO MOVE THAT? I WAS LIKE, WELL, THEN I GOT TO HAND MY CHAIR OVER TO DEPUTY MAYOR.
PERFECT. I WILL MAKE THE MOTION.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? COUNCILLOR MCGURK.
I GUESS, IS THAT WOULD THAT MOTION MEAN THAT THAT THOSE OPTIONS WOULD COME BACK TO US, OR WOULD IT JUST BE THAT THEY THAT ADMINISTRATION SELECTS A WAY TO.
THAT ADMINISTRATION GOES IN AND DOES IT.
SO WE'RE NOT WEIGHING IN ON IT.
YEAH. OKAY. THEN I'LL JUST MAKE ONE COMMENT THAT THOSE BIKE LANES OFTEN HAVE HAVE HAD IN THE PAST CLAW MARKS FROM, LIKE LITERAL RUTS. IT'S THE STREET ONES.
ANYTHING FURTHER ON THIS ONE? SEEING NONE.
ANYTHING FURTHER ON THE PAVING PROGRAM? SEEING NONE.
NEXT WE HAVE STORMWATER RECEIVING ENVIRONMENT STUDY.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? NEXT WE HAVE THE TRAFFIC LIGHT UPGRADES, WHICH IS INCLUDES THE REPLACEMENT OF SIGNALIZED CROSSWALKS NEAR SAINT JOE'S AND NJ.
COUNCILLOR WARBURTON DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT? THANK YOU. RIGHT SPOT THIS TIME.
YEAH. I MAKE A MOTION SORRY. I'M JUST GOING TO FIND IT.
THAT ADMINISTRATION INCORPORATES AN ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY DESIGN WHEN RECONSTRUCTING SIGNALIZED CROSSWALKS AT ÉCOLE SAINT JOSEPH AND MCPHERSON SCHOOLS. MR. VAN DINE. IS THERE THE OPPORTUNITY WITH THIS BUDGET TO TO DO A BIT MORE? WE'VE WE'VE HAD A BIT OF WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES AT THOSE CROSSWALKS FOR SURE.
AND I KNOW ON 52ND AVE THERE WAS BUMP OUTS TO KIND OF REDUCE THE, THE LENGTH THAT PEDESTRIANS HAVE TO INTERACT WITH CARS AS A WAY TO, TO SLOW IT DOWN.
IF THERE'S A ADDITIONAL ENHANCEMENTS OR IMPROVEMENTS THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE, WE WOULD LIKELY NEED TO INCREASE THE FUNDS ALLOTTED FOR THIS, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
WE WANT TO TAKE A PAUSE TABLE THAT ONE.
AND IF ADMINISTRATION HAS A RECOMMENDATION ON WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO IF IT'S 100,000 60,000 233,000, WE HAVE A FEW OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE'VE FREED UP SOME MONEY.
YES SOME CLARITY I'M NOT LOOKING FOR LIKE A RAISED PATHWAY ACROSS THE TOP OF TRAFFIC HERE.
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IT'S IT'S SOME CURB BUMP OUTS AND JUST SOME SIMILAR DESIGNS TO WE HAVE DOWN DOWNTOWN.THOSE ARE INTERSECTIONS ARE CURRENTLY LIKE DODGEBALL WHEN YOU CROSS THEM.
SO. ANYTHING FURTHER ON TRAFFIC LIGHT UPGRADES? JUST QUESTIONS BECAUSE WE'LL COME BACK TO IT TOMORROW.
JUST FOR THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS AT 52ND STREET AND FRANKLIN.
RIGHT? YEAH. AND THE CROSSWALK LIGHTS THAT COUNCILLOR WARBURTON WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT.
IS THERE ANYTHING STRUCTURALLY OR OPERATIONALLY THAT'S CURRENTLY A PROBLEM WITH THESE LIGHTS THAT ARE LOOKING AT BEING REPLACED, OR IS THIS PART OF ASSET MANAGEMENT? MR. VAN DINE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
THIS IS PART OF OUR ONGOING PROGRAM TO UPDATE OUR LIGHT SYSTEM ACROSS ACROSS THE CITY.
I'LL INVITE MR. GREENCORN TO ELABORATE.
THEY'VE BEEN HIT MULTIPLE TIMES DUE TO THE COLD.
NOT THE COLD, BUT NOT THAT CORNER.
AS FAR AS THE SIGNALIZED CROSSINGS AT ÉCOLE SAINT JOSEPH AND AND JAY MCPHERSON, THEY'RE OLD.
WE'RE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THEM.
THEY'RE TRIPPING BREAKERS. THEY'RE BLOWING LIGHTS.
COULD WE LIMP THEM ALONG A LITTLE BIT? PROBABLY. BUT THEY'RE COMING TO AS MR. VAN DINE SAID IN, IN IN THEIR IN THEIR LIFE CYCLE REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE.
WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING WITH THEM.
THANKS FOR THAT. AND JUST RELATED TO WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING WITH THEM.
IS THE PLAN TO REPLACE THOSE CROSSWALK LIGHTS WITH SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT'S THERE, I.E.
THOSE, YOU KNOW, GIANT ONES THAT CROSS THE STREET? OR ARE WE LOOKING AT SOMETHING LIKE, YOU KNOW, MORE AKIN TO, I WOULD GUESS, WITH THE COST? PROBABLY THOSE, BUT SOMETHING MORE AKIN TO WHAT'S USED DOWNTOWN AT THOSE CROSSWALKS, WHICH ARE MUCH SMALLER, COST EFFECTIVE, I'M ASSUMING YOU KNOW.
BECAUSE I THINK, AGAIN, BACK TO WHERE WE CAN SAVE SOME SOME MONEY AND THINKING AHEAD TO A TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT DOING TOO MUCH WHILE AT THE SAME TIME, EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID, IF THEY'RE NEEDED, THEY'RE NEEDED.
YEAH. MR. VAN DINE. THANK YOU.
MR. GREENCORN WILL CONTINUE RESPONDING TO THIS QUESTION.
CAN YOU JUST SAY IT ONE MORE TIME? I WANT TO MAKE SURE. AND I DID START TO RAMBLE AT THE END, SO THAT'S FAIR.
YEAH. BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, ARE WE LOOKING TO REPLACE THOSE CROSSWALK LIGHTS WITH SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT'S ALREADY THERE NOW, OR ARE WE LOOKING AT MORE OF A REPLACEMENT TO WHAT THOSE CROSSWALKS ARE THAT WE NOW HAVE DOWNTOWN? WHICH ARE, YOU KNOW, ONE SUPER BRIGHT, BUT I'M ASSUMING A LOT CHEAPER.
YES, I BELIEVE I BELIEVE OUR PLAN IS TO INSTALL THE, THE MORE MODERN I GUESS SPEAKING LIGHTS THAT YOU SEE DOWNTOWN AND SIMILAR THAT HAVE BEEN INSTALLED AT ON BOARD AND DRIVE AT RANGE LAKE SCHOOL.
THEY'RE MUCH MORE BRIGHT. THEY'RE EASIER TO INSTALL.
UNFORTUNATELY, THEY'RE NOT CHEAP.
AND THIS ALSO CONTEMPLATES THE ELECTRICAL ELECTRICIAN AND ANY COSTS ASSOCIATED.
WE WIRE THEM WHERE WE CAN AND WE USE SOLAR WHERE WE CAN'T WIRE.
THANKS FOR THAT. NO OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, BUT I YEAH, COME BACK TO IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE'LL TABLE WE'LL COME BACK TO IT TOMORROW.
NEXT WE HAVE THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN.
ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? MOTIONS.
COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN THEN COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN.
SO IS ANY OF THE 300,000 FOR IMPLEMENTATION OR JUST PLANNING? MR. VAN DINE.
ALL RIGHT. I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE A MOTION IN THAT CASE.
LET ME JUST FIND IT HERE AMONGST ALL MY NOTES.
TIME. IF IF THERE WASN'T A RESERVE, I WOULD PUT FORWARD A MOTION TO CUT THIS.
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OKAY. THERE'S A FEW INTERCONNECTED, SO YEAH.ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? OH, YEAH. SORRY. COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN.
JUST AND ADMIN, I KNOW YOU RESPONDED TO SOME OF THESE IN THE PRE, BUT JUST TO, TO MAKE SURE.
SO IS THE DELIVERY DATE FOR THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
IF WE'RE PUTTING THIS IN THE BUDGET FOR 2025, IS THE DELIVERY DATE STILL 2026 OR ARE WE LOOKING TO HAVE THIS COMPLETED IN 2025? MR. VAN DINE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, WE'RE HOPING TO PROCEED WITH ALL OF THE INTERCONNECTED PLANS, WHICH DOES INCLUDE, AS MENTIONED IN THE PY AND FTE PRESENTATION, THE THE RETENTION AND EMPLOYMENT OF A TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER.
SO WITH THAT PLUS THESE RESOURCES, WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO MAKE BEST EFFORTS TO HAVE THE REPORT COMPLETED AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS COMPLETED IN 2025 FOR CONSIDERATION FOR IMPLEMENTATION, PLANNING AND BUDGET BY 2026.
NEXT WE HAVE THE WATER AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE FAILURE AND BUSINESS CONTINUITY PLANNING.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? SEEING NONE.
NEXT WE HAVE WATER AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE REPLACEMENTS.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? SEEING NONE.
NEXT WE HAVE WATER AND SEWER REPLACEMENTS PAVING.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? WE'RE NOW AT PAGE 151.
NEXT WE HAVE WATER LICENSE PROJECTS.
WE HAVE SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT.
NEXT WE HAVE WETLAND DELINEATION AND GREAT SLAVE LAKE MONITORING.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE HAVE THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT FLOCCULENT STUDY AND WORK.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? SEEING NONE, WE'VE REACHED THE END OF CAPITAL.
I HAD A COUPLE MOTIONS THAT I WANTED TO PROPOSE FOR THE CAPITAL SECTION THAT I PUT IN ADVANCE.
DID WE DO THIS NOW OR LATER? YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT.
SO PAVING PROGRAM IS ON PAGE 142, COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.
THANK YOU. THIS IS WHERE I MESSED UP THAT MOTION WE PUSHED TO LATER.
I READ THE WRONG ONE, SO LET ME GO BACK HERE.
OKAY, SO FOR PAVING PROGRAM MOTION IS ADMINISTRATION INCORPORATES LANDSCAPING FEATURES INTO THE PAVING PROGRAMS IN 2025 ONWARD SO. SO WHAT'S THE PURPOSE.
AND THEN IN THE Q&A WE ASK WHAT IF SOMEONE ASKED IF WHAT IF SPECIFIED MEANS AND THE DESCRIPTION SAID THAT LANDSCAPING WAS PULLED OUT PREVIOUSLY WHEN THEY'RE DOING PAVING DESIGN. SO I'D LIKE TO PUT THAT BACK IN.
THAT'S THE INTENT OF THE MOTION.
OKAY. MR. VAN DINE TO THE ADVISABILITY OF THE MOTION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
MY, I BELIEVE COUNCILLOR WARBURTON IS OUTLINING A PRACTICE THAT WE HAD ONCE CONSIDERED AS PART OF OUR REGULAR UPGRADES TO SUCH THINGS, AND THAT A PREVIOUS COUNCIL HAD TAKEN THE THE STEP OF REMOVING THAT REQUIREMENT FROM THIS PARTICULAR UPGRADE.
AND I BELIEVE COUNCILLOR WARBURTON IS JUST SIMPLY REASSERTING A PRACTICE THAT WE HAD HAD PREVIOUSLY.
SO FROM THE ADVISABILITY POINT OF VIEW, THERE ARE POTENTIALLY SOME COST IMPLICATIONS.
DIDN'T COME TO COUNCIL TO REMOVE BEFORE.
SO I THINK WE CAN JUST CONTINUE THE PRACTICE.
AND CONSIDERING 2025 IS STILL PLANNING, I'M NOT SURE, DOES ADMINISTRATION NEED DIRECTION TO CONTINUE DOING IT, OR CAN WE HAVE A PERHAPS A DESIGN STANDARDS PAVING PROJECT DISCUSSION IN 2025, AND ADMINISTRATION CAN TALK ABOUT THE PROS AND CONS OF REMOVING THAT?
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MR. VAN DINE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.CERTAINLY. I BELIEVE THE THE CONVERSATION HAS BEEN NOTED IN TERMS OF THE INTEREST IN WANTING TO INCLUDE LANDSCAPING IN THIS, SO WE'LL TAKE THAT ON BOARD. WITH THAT, WITH THAT SUGGESTION.
IN TERMS OF COMING BACK TO COUNCIL WITH A WIDER KIND OF DESCRIPTION ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH OUR PAVING PROGRAM AND INFRASTRUCTURE PROGRAM, I'LL JUST DEFER TO MR. GREENCORN ON THAT PRACTICE AND HOW OFTEN WE WOULD DO THAT IN LIGHT OF THE OPERATIONAL NATURE OF SUCH A REQUEST.
I GUESS I GUESS IT'S WORTHWHILE GIVING SOME HISTORY HERE.
AND OVERLANDER STREET, 50 THE 50TH STREET.
THERE'S SIGNIFICANT LANDSCAPING.
WE ALSO UNDERTOOK LANDSCAPING THAT OCCURRED ALL ALONG OLD AIRPORT ROAD IN FRONT OF STAUNTON PLAZA.
SO TO PUT THIS BACK IN IS NOT INSURMOUNTABLE, BUT IT HAS ONE, IT'S NOT CONTEMPLATED IN THESE COSTS.
THANK YOU. SORRY, I THOUGHT THE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING FOR INDIVIDUAL PRIVATE PROPERTY, WHICH WAS THE CITY PAYS TO REDO PEOPLE'S LANDSCAPING, BUT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES DON'T.
AND THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT COST SAVINGS IF WE WENT SIMILAR TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.
CAN I RECOMMEND THAT WE NOT GO WITH THAT MOTION RIGHT NOW? BUT WE HAVE A GOOD DISCUSSION IN Q1 BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS SOME BROADER CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHETHER TO HAVE LANDSCAPING OR NOT AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
MOVING NOW TO BACK TO THE END AND COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN YOU HAVE OTHER CAPITAL ITEMS YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? I'D LIKE TO CONSIDER.
FIRST I WOULD JUST TO CONFIRM, ARE WE PUSHING THE TRAFFIC LIGHT UPGRADE CONVERSATION STILL TO TOMORROW? YES. OKAY.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I GOT THAT ONE OUT OF THE WAY.
OKAY, SO I HAVE THREE MOTIONS THAT I'D LIKE TO COUNCIL TO CONSIDER.
THANK YOU, MR. VAN DINE WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THE ADVISABILITY OF THE MOTION? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A LOT OF PROGRESSIVE ENTHUSIASM FROM THE COMMUNITY TO BRING FORWARD SOME VERY ENLIGHTENED KINDS OF PROJECTS.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE AN EXPERIENCE WITH A AN EXISTING CROSSWALK THAT DOES REQUIRE ATTENTION AND UPKEEP AND MAINTENANCE AT A SCHEDULE THAT MAY NOT BE UP TO THE STANDARD THAT A LOT OF YELLOWKNIFERS WOULD PRESENTLY LIKE, BUT WE ARE MAINTAINING IT, AND IT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COMES SORT OF AT THE AT THE LOWER END OF THE PRIORITY LIST AS WE'RE MOVING THROUGH OUR PROJECTS IN ANY GIVEN SEASON.
IT DOES NOTABLY ENGAGE THE THE SCHOOLS IN THE AREA FROM A FROM AN INCLUSION AND FROM A PARTICIPATION POINT OF VIEW. HOWEVER, THERE ARE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THESE THAT WE DON'T BELIEVE HAVE BEEN FULLY FACTORED INTO THAT NUMBER THAT YOU SHARED WITH US, AND WE WOULD BE ADVISED, COUNCIL, TO PROCEED CAUTIOUSLY WITH WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION OR WITH THIS PROPOSAL, AND NOT TO DIMINISH THE THE INTEREST WITH WHICH THIS PROPOSAL COMES FROM IN ANY WAY, BUT JUST FROM THE REALITIES OF OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE AND THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD PLACE A BURDEN ON THIS COUNCIL AND FUTURE COUNCILS WITH A STANDARD THAT WE'RE JUST STRUGGLING TO KEEP UP WITH TODAY.
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AND SO THE PRIDE SIDEWALK GETS DONE AT THE END OF JUNE, BECAUSE THE FOCUS IS TO ATTACH THE WATER SO THAT PEOPLE CAN GARDEN, AND OLD TOWN RESIDENTS CAN HAVE PIPED WATER.SO ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU GET INTO, YOU KNOW, OUR STAFF BEING PULLED AWAY FROM HOOKING UP WATER TO DO THE ART WALK OR DOES THE ARTWORK HAPPEN IN JULY ONCE KIDS ARE OUT OF SCHOOL AND EVERYBODY'S GONE? OH FAIR ENOUGH.
I, MORE THAN ANYTHING, WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE FACT THAT WE DO NEED TO.
AND SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, JUST EVEN HAVING THE CHANCE TO TO BRING THE MOTION FORWARD AND REMOVE IT GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY TO HIGHLIGHT THAT AGAIN, WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT HOW WE LEVERAGE COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
IN A BETTER WAY, IN A IN A WAY THAT MAKES THEM HAVE OWNERSHIP IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR ONE AND TWO IS, YOU KNOW, GETTING WHERE DO WHERE DO PEOPLE FIND JOY IN THEIR COMMUNITY AND GET KIDS INVOLVED? AND, YOU KNOW, WE DO NEED TO THINK ABOUT THIS IN A IN A VERY MEANINGFUL WAY.
SO I WILL REMOVE THE MOTION, BUT I'M STILL GLAD I BROUGHT IT UP.
DEPUTY MAYOR COCHRANE, THANK YOU SO MUCH, YOUR WORSHIP.
LISTEN, I LOVE THE BIG GAY CROSSWALK.
I THINK THAT'S PRETTY WELL ESTABLISHED.
BUT THE O&M THAT COMES WITH THAT IS JUST INSURMOUNTABLE RIGHT NOW.
BUT AFTER HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE A LITTLE EXPERIENCE ON THIS.
IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE AT THIS TIME.
I WAS GOING TO SAY EXACTLY WHAT HER WORSHIP WAS SAYING.
I THINK THERE'S CONVERSATIONS TO BE HAD WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD.
THERE IS SOME SHARED FACILITIES HERE.
BUT AT THIS TIME I AM GLAD YOU'VE REMOVED THE MOTION.
ALSO, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND WITH THE HERITAGE COMMITTEE, WE HAVE SOME ASSETS THAT WE HAD ON THERE TOO, AND STUFF THAT WE THOUGHT WAS GOING TO BE LIKE $500 BUCKS TURNED INTO LIKE $4,000 PROJECTS.
COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN YOU HAD ANOTHER? YEP. PROBABLY GOING TO BE IN THE SAME VEIN, BUT I'M GOING FOR IT ANYWAY.
THAT COUNCIL INCLUDE $10,000 FOR TRIAL PAINTED BIKE LANES ON FOREST DRIVE BETWEEN FRANKLIN AVENUE AND 51 AVENUE, RANGE LAKE ROAD BETWEEN FINLAYSON DRIVE AND WOOLGAR AVENUE AND 52ND STREET AND 42ND STREET STARTING IN SPRING 2025.
AND I CAN DEFINITELY SPEAK ON THIS IF ANYONE'S WILLING.
MR. VAN DINE DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THE ADVISABILITY OF THAT ONE? ALL THINGS POINT TO OUR MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE UNDERTAKING WITH GREAT VIGOR IN, IN THE COMING YEAR, IF APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
AND SO, IN TERMS OF MAKING MARGINAL INVESTMENTS WITHIN SAFE TRANSPORTATION FOR FOR CYCLISTS, I WOULD BE INCLINED TO WAIT FOR THE FULLNESS OF THE EXAMINATION OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, AND THEN INVEST DOLLARS IN THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN THAT WE HOPE TO BRING FORWARD IN 2026.
THANK YOU. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK TO IT? COUNCILLOR MCGURK THEN COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.
WE HAVE HAD RESIDENTS COUNTLESS RESIDENTS IN THIS, IN THIS CHAMBER THAT HAVE COME TO US WITH SOME LIKE SIMILAR ASKS OR WHO I'M SURE WOULD BE ECSTATIC TO HEAR THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE DOING THIS.
SO THERE'S CLEARLY A DEMAND FROM THE PUBLIC.
AND ALSO IN TERMS OF PUBLIC SAFETY, THERE'S COUNTLESS RESIDENTS AGAIN IN THIS CHAMBER WHO HAVE SPOKEN TO THE CURRENT BIKE LANE SITUATION NOT BEING SUFFICIENT.
SO I'D BE IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION.
MR. VAN DINE, I GUESS THE PAINTED BIKE LANES ON THE STREET, WOULD $10,000 BE SUFFICIENT TO INCREASE THE CONTRACT FOR OUR CURRENT LINE PAINTING? THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I'LL DEFER TO MR. GREENCORN ON THE RELATIVE COSTS OF PAINT AND ROADS.
I'D LIKE TO COME BACK ON THIS ONE BEFORE BUDGET IS OVER.
IT'S THE CONTEMPLATION OF PARKING REMOVAL.
YEAH. ALL THE ALL OF THAT STUFF.
YEAH, WE'LL GET TO THAT ON ROUND TWO.
WHOLEHEARTEDLY. IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION.
WHAT MAKES A GOOD PLAN IS, IS DATA AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DOESN'T.
AND TO DO THAT, WE NEED TO TRY THINGS.
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THAT WOULD BE ESSENTIAL IN CREATING A PLAN THAT'S WORKABLE AND GIVES REAL VALUE TO OUR NEIGHBORS.DEPUTY MAYOR COCHRANE, THANK YOU SO MUCH, YOUR WORSHIP.
I AM NOT IN SUPPORT OF THIS MOTION AT THIS TIME BECAUSE IT'S A CHICKEN OR THE EGG QUESTION.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. IN PRINCIPLE, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS.
I THINK FOR THE MAIN REASON OF I WOULD LIKE THIS TO HELP INFORM OUR MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
YEAH, I AM MY HEART IS WARMED BY THIS DISCUSSION.
THE REALITY IS THIS WILL BE MESSY AND THIS WILL SUCK FOR SOMEONE.
BUT IF WE DON'T TRY THINGS, WE'LL NEVER GET DIFFERENT RESULTS.
SO YEAH, TABLING THAT BASED ON PRICING WE GET BACK SOME BALLPARK STUFF.
SO THAT'S A BIG QUALIFIER FOR ME.
BUT YEAH, I'M OPEN TO TRYING SOMETHING IN THE INTERIM.
WAITING FOR PLANS I THINK IS A FOOL'S ERRAND TO DO ANYTHING.
YEAH, IT'S $200,000, AND WE'VE GOT REAL PROBLEMS WITH A LOT OF THINGS.
SO JUST A BIT OF BACKGROUND ON WHY I'M BRINGING THIS FORWARD IS.
SO SINCE BEING ELECTED TO COUNCIL.
THIS COMMITMENT IS ON THE BACK OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN, WHICH SAYS THAT THE CITY WILL CREATE, AND I QUOTE, SAFE AND EFFICIENT WALKING AND CYCLING INFRASTRUCTURE FOR ALL AGES AND ABILITIES IN AREAS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDERSERVED BY ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE.
REMINDER COMMUNITY PLAN IS A BYLAW.
TO ALLOW ALL PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PHYSICAL SPACE OF OUR COMMUNITY WE NEED TO MAKE IT A PLACE THAT ROUGHLY 30% OF PEOPLE, INCLUDING KIDS, THOSE WITH DIFFERENT ABILITIES, THE ELDERLY AND THOSE WITHOUT FINANCIAL MEANS WHO CAN'T DRIVE CAN STILL AFFORD TO MOVE FREELY, ACCESSIBLY, AND AFFORDABLY.
"WAITING IS A FOOL'S ERRAND FOR A PLAN." IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT PIECE OF ALL OF THIS FOR THE LONG TERM, BUT WE NEED TO TRY THINGS AS HAS BEEN REFERENCED, BECAUSE WE NEED TO KNOW IF THIS IS WORKABLE OR NOT.
THE OTHER THING I'LL SAY IS THESE FOUR LOCATIONS THAT I'VE REFERENCED ARE ALL PLACES THAT HAVE BEEN POINTED OUT IN PAST CITY PLANS FOR BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE. SO I'M NOT PICKING THESE OUT OF NOWHERE.
AND SO I THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO TRY THESE OUT IN THESE PLACES WHEN WE LOOK AT PARKING.
I APPRECIATE THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING FOR HIGHLIGHTING THAT THE CITY HAD RESIDENTS, MANY OF WHOM HAVE COME TO COUNCIL ON FREQUENT OCCASIONS, DO SORT OF AS PART OF A BIKE WEEK EARLY IN THE SPRING AND EARLY SUMMER TRAFFIC COUNTS.
AND IN MOST OF THESE LOCATIONS YOU'RE TALKING 5, 6 CARS PARKING ON THESE STREETS.
AND AS COUNCILLOR MCGURK HAS SAID, I AM PROPOSING THIS AS A TRIAL.
I'M NOT SAYING WE DO THIS AND WE STICK TO IT FOREVER.
I'M WILLING TO LISTEN TO THAT.
BUT I ALSO THINK THESE ARE THINGS THAT THE CITY HAS SAID WE SHOULD TRY IN THE PAST, OR NOT EVEN TRY.
THE CITY HAS ACTUALLY SAID IN OUR PLANS WE SHOULD DO THESE.
NOW I'M SAYING WE SHOULD AT LEAST TRY THEM AS PART OF A BROADER PLAN.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IF THERE IS ENOUGH INTEREST, IF THERE'S FIVE PEOPLE WITH INTEREST, I WOULD SAY I WOULD ASK THAT WE GIVE THE DIRECTOR THE TIME TO COME BACK TO US AND ACTUALLY VOTE ON IT.
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AVE, RANGELY ROAD, FINLAYSON TO WOOLGAR.AND THEN YOU HAVE 52ND STREET AND 47TH STREET.
SO YOU'RE TALKING 52ND STREET FROM 49TH AVE TO 52ND AVE FOR THOSE TWO STREETS.
WITH THAT, I'VE GOT IT NOTED TO BE TABLED, AND WE WILL DISCUSS TOMORROW.
WITH THAT, WE'VE COME TO OUR 90 MINUTE MARK.
SO WE WILL TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK AND WE WILL COME BACK AT 8:50 P.M..
ANY FURTHER CAPITAL MOTIONS? NO. COUNCILLOR OR DEPUTY MAYOR COCHRANE.
EXCELLENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH WORSHIP BACK TO YOU.
PLEASE DO. I RECOGNIZE THAT THE DOG PARK DOES GET O&M, HOWEVER, I THINK IT COULD USE A BIT MORE OF AN OOMPH TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE THE ISSUES, THE GATE, THE FENCES, ETC.
SO JUST LOOKING TO ENHANCE THE THE CAPITAL FOR THE DOG PARK.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM MAYOR.
ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.
JUST LOOKING TO ADMIN FOR AN ADVISABILITY ON 30,000 TO ACCOMPLISH THE WORK AND HOW THAT FITS IN WITH THE OTHER COMMUNITY SERVICE PROJECTS. MR. VAN DINE, I BELIEVE THAT'S THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE FOR THE QUESTION, MR. CHAIR. WITH RESPECT TO THE NUMBER OF 30,000, I DON'T HAVE A LINE OF SIGHT ON WHETHER OR NOT THAT WILL DO WHAT THE AMBITION IS TO WITH THAT 30,000 I'D HAVE TO VERIFY WHAT I WILL.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT IS SOMETHING CONTEMPLATED IN THIS, THIS 30,000 ENVELOPE, BUT CERTAINLY 30,000 SEEMS LIKE A REASONABLE NUMBER.
SO WITH THAT PROVISO, IF THIS IS AN INTENT, WE WOULD COME BACK AND DO OUR BEST TO TRY AND SATISFY THAT UPGRADE WITH WITH THE AVAILABLE FUNDS THAT ARE, THAT ARE THERE SHOULD COUNCIL APPROVE IT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YEAH. IF POSSIBLE, JUST ALONG THIS SAME EITHER FROM MADAM CHAIR OR FROM ADMIN, JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY ON EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE AND WHAT THE EXACT BUDGET IS BEFORE I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE.
WHETHER IT IS LIGHTING, WHETHER IT IS SOME SORT OF BETTER FENCING DOOR.
JUST THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR ADMINISTRATION TO HAVE A FEW MORE DOLLARS TO, TO IMPROVE THE DOG PARK.
THANK YOU COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.
THANK YOU COUNCILLOR WARBURTON COUNCILLOR PAYNE.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. DO WE CONSIDER THE A DOG PARK THE SAME AS WELL, NOT THE SAME AS, BUT IS THERE A CERTAIN CATEGORY THAT WOULD PUT IT INTO, LIKE THE REST OF THE PARKS IN TOWN WHERE IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, A SCHEDULED FIX? I KNOW THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT TO REPLACE, BUT AT LEAST SOME MONEY GOING INTO IT EVERY CERTAIN AMOUNT OF YEARS.
I'LL INVITE MR. WHITE TO TO RESPOND TO WHERE IT FITS WITHIN OUR PARK ARCHITECTURE.
THANK YOU. WITHOUT A LITTLE BIT OF ADVANCE NOTICE, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S A CLASS C OR A CLASS D PARK OR EVEN A CLASS B, BUT I CAN GET BACK TO YOU GUYS ON THAT TOMORROW.
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IT IS ON OUR REGULAR O&M ROUTE, I WOULD CALL IT WHERE WE LOOK AT SAFETY ISSUES AND LITTER AND KEEP IT I GUESS, UP IN, IN A STATE OF DISREPAIR.SO IT'S NOT IN A STATE OF DISREPAIR.
AS MADAM CHAIR MENTIONED, THE THE GATE IS THE THE BIGGEST ISSUE THAT IS ALWAYS SEEMS TO BE DAMAGED.
AND THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR PAYNE, COUNCILLOR FEQUET.
YEAH. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY IF YOU'RE IF ADMINISTRATION IS COMING BACK TOMORROW ANYWAYS, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE HAPPENED OVER THE YEARS.
AND SO MAYBE IT'S 40, MAYBE IT'S 20, MAYBE IT'S 50.
LIKE IT'S PRETTY SMALL POTATOES.
BUT I MEAN, IF IT'S 40, THAT'LL MAKE IT POLISHED AND GOOD FOR ANOTHER FEW YEARS.
I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO CONSIDER THAT.
SO IF YOU GUYS ARE COMING BACK ANYWAYS, THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION.
THANK YOU. DO WE WANT TO TABLE THIS TILL TOMORROW THEN? OH, COUNCILLOR MCGURK.
THANK YOU. I'M NOT SURE HOW TO PHRASE THIS EXACTLY.
HAVE WE EVER LOOKED AT PROJECTS LIKE THIS BEFORE AND SET ASIDE MONEY AS, LIKE, [INAUDIBLE] LOOKED FOR COMMUNITY GROUPS THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO FACILITATE, LIKE, TAKE ON OR FACILITATE THIS WORK.
THEY COULD GET MORE OUT OF $30,000 THAN WE COULD, MOST LIKELY.
SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE DONE BEFORE.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. JUST TO RESPOND TO MR. FEQUET'S COMMENT, I CAN ASSURE HIM THAT WE ARE COMING BACK TOMORROW.
THERE'S NO QUESTION WE WILL BE HERE [LAUGHTER].
THE WITH RESPECT TO COUNCILLOR MCGURK'S QUERY I BELIEVE COUNCIL IS PROBABLY MORE ACCUSTOMED TO COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS COMING FORWARD WITH A PROPOSAL AND THEN INVITING COUNCIL TO PARTICIPATE OR CONSIDER PARTICIPATING IN THAT.
THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT TENDS TO HAPPEN IN THIS SITUATION.
NOW, I KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT YOUR QUESTION IS, IS PERTAINING TO.
I WOULD SAY THAT IN THIS PARTICULAR EXAMPLE, IF THE FRIENDS OF THE DOG PARK PRESENTED THEMSELVES AND WANTED TO TAKE SOME KIND OF NEIGHBORHOOD PARTICIPATION AND OWNERSHIP IN TRYING TO MAINTAIN IT, I THINK WE'D BE OPEN TO THOSE KINDS OF DISCUSSIONS.
THE, THE THE DEFERRAL OF THE POTENTIAL DEFERRAL OF THIS MOTION TO TOMORROW WOULD ALLOW US TO AT LEAST COME FORWARD WITH WHAT I WOULD OFFER AS MAYBE A SHARED UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT A CLASS D ESTIMATE OF WHAT AN UPGRADE MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
BUT WE CAN DO THAT AND RETURN TOMORROW.
AND I HOPE THAT ADDRESSES COUNCILLOR MCGURK'S QUESTION AS WELL.
THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE, ANY FRIENDS OF THE DOG PARK ARE LISTENING, BUT WE TOOK NOTE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCILLOR MCGURK.
I AM QUITE SURPRISED NANCY VALE HASN'T FORMULATED A FRIENDS OF THE DOG PARK AS OF YET.
I, EVEN WITH THE DEFERRAL, WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION.
I'M HOPING IT DOESN'T TURN INTO A GIANT DOG SHOWER, BUT, YOU KNOW WE'LL HAVE IT FOR TOMORROW.
DEPUTY MAYOR COCHRANE, I'D JUST LIKE TO DO ONE MORE.
DOES IT NEED $100,000 TO ADDRESS THIS? DOES IT NEED, YOU KNOW, $2,000 TO GET A STOP SIGN? JUST WONDERING HOW WE CAN ADDRESS THE SAFETY CONCERNS AT THAT INTERSECTION.
AND HAPPY TO MOVE A MOTION TO ADDRESS THOSE, IF NEED BE.
WITH RESPECT TO THAT INFORMATION, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO TO POINT OUT THAT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF CONSIDERATIONS, BUT I THINK I'LL JUST SPEAK TO THE ONE THAT THAT IS RAISED.
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A MORE EFFICIENT AND SAFE AREA WITHIN THE CITY AND I'LL INVITE MR. GREENCORN TO ELABORATE.I DON'T REALLY THINK THERE'S A LOT WE CAN DO IN TERMS OF REALIGNING ROADS.
WE CAN LOOK AT PREEMPT, LIKE IF THERE'S A CROSSWALK REQUIRED, IF THERE'S PREEMPTION, PREEMPTIVE CROSSWALK LIGHTS, IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE, THINGS LIKE THAT IN THE AREA WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT HERE IN IN EARLY 2025 AND SEE IF THERE'S SOME QUICK SIGNAGE CHANGES THAT WILL BOTH GET PEOPLE TO SLOW DOWN AND RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S A IT'S AN INTERESTING INTERSECTION OF ROADS, SO TO SPEAK.
SO NO BUDGET REQUIRED RIGHT NOW TO ADD SIGNAGE.
OKAY. SO I WILL HOLD THAT FOR NOW.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, YOUR WORSHIP.
INTERESTING INTERSECTION IS AN INTERESTING WAY TO PHRASE IT.
AND WITH THAT, I SHALL PASS THE CHAIR BACK TO HER WORSHIP.
THANK YOU. I THINK THAT WAS IT FOR MY, YES THAT I WANT TO CONSIDER RIGHT NOW.
ANYTHING FURTHER ON CAPITAL FOR FOLKS? SEEING NONE, WE WILL THEN JUMP AHEAD AND OR GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF OUR BOOKS.
AND WE START WITH OURSELVES, WHICH IS ON PAGE 25. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, MOTIONS FOR MAYOR AND COUNCIL? UNFORTUNATELY, THE FRONT HALF OF THE BUDGET'S A FLIP, A FLIP, A FLIP, A FLIP.
BUT YEAH, IT'S A GOOD LITTLE WORKOUT.
I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT FORMULA FUNDING.
I'M NOT SURE. I THINK IT WAS BEFORE THIS, BUT IS THIS A GOOD PLACE TO ASK OR SOMEWHERE ELSE.
WE'LL DO THAT ONE AT THE VERY END.
WE'LL KIND OF DO LIKE BROAD ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.
SO BUT YEAH LIKE THE GNWTS INCREASE.
YEAH. WE CAN TOUCH BASE ON THAT ONE.
SEE EVERYBODY STILL SCROLLING AND CATCHING UP TO PAGE 25.
PROBABLY VERY SIMPLE, BUT ON PAGE 25 WHAT'S BEING PLANNED FOR GOVERNANCE STRATEGY WORK GOING INTO 2025? IT HAS $139,000 PUT THERE.
MR. VAN DINE I DON'T KNOW THE BREAKDOWN OF THAT OBJECT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE BREAKDOWN IS TO ACCOMMODATE SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL WORK THAT COUNCIL ITSELF HAS UNDERTAKEN WITH OUR FACILITATOR, STRAD.
AND SO WE'RE JUST BUILDING IN SOME COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT WORK AT THIS JUNCTURE.
AND IF YOU NEED A HIGHER LEVEL OF GRANULARITY, I CAN I'LL HAVE TO COME BACK.
KIND OF ROLLS IN A BUNCH OF THINGS LIKE COMMITTEE MEETINGS, ETC..
ANYTHING FURTHER FOR MAYOR AND COUNCIL? SEEING NONE.
SO THE CITY MANAGER'S BUDGET IS ON PAGE 33.
ANY QUESTIONS? I'LL DO SOME GENERAL MOTIONS, I THINK AT THE END ON THAT ONE.
PAGE 34 IS THE OFFICE OF THE OH, SORRY.
IS THIS THE SPOT TO TALK ABOUT THE GOVERNANCE DIRECTOR? IT PROBABLY SHOULD BE, THE CHALLENGE BEING THAT IT'S NOT OFFICIALLY IN THE BUDGET.
SO THAT'S WHERE I WAS LIKE, WHERE DO I TALK ABOUT THIS? LET ME KNOW WHEN THAT IS THE TIME TO TALK.
LET ME GET TO THE, I SHOULD GET TO THE RIGHT SPOT BEFORE I SPEAK UP.
I WOULD LIKE TO PUT FORWARD A MOTION TO CUT THE GOVERNANCE DIRECTOR POSITION.
SO KEEP THE COORDINATOR, BUT CUT THE DIRECTOR.
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OKAY. MR. VAN DINE TO THE ADVISABILITY.YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. CUT THE DIRECTOR.
KEEP THE COORDINATOR. CUT THE COORDINATOR.
YEAH. CUTTING THE DIRECTOR, KEEPING THE COORDINATOR.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO TO RESPOND.
I WOULD RECOMMEND AGAINST THAT.
THAT DECISION MAKING POSTURE REQUIRES US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT GOOD INTERNAL PROCESSES.
WE DO NOT HAVE THE INTERNAL PROCESSES THAT I WOULD LIKE.
THAT WILL HELP DRIVE THE ORGANIZATION TOWARDS, I THINK, MORE STRATEGIC DECISION MAKING AND GIVE COUNCIL BETTER ADVICE IN THE END, WHICH WHICH I BELIEVE WILL ULTIMATELY BENEFIT YELLOWKNIFERS NOT IN THE TOO DISTANT FUTURE IF WE MOVE IN THIS DIRECTION.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE INPUT.
ON ONE HAND, THE POSITION ONCE ESTABLISHED IN MY VIEW IS PERMANENT COMING.
REMOVING THIS POSITION AFTER THE ORGANIZATIONAL REVIEW JUST DOESN'T SEEM FEASIBLE.
SO REALLY, THIS IS US APPROVING A PERMANENT POSITION WITH NO REAL PY JUSTIFICATION AND NO REAL UNDERSTANDING WITH WHAT IMPLICATIONS THIS HAS ON THE BUDGET.
BASICALLY, YOU MIGHT KEEP YOUR POSITION IF THE ORGANIZATIONAL REVIEW SAYS IT'S SORT OF IN BETWEEN.
AND I FEEL LIKE WE'RE YEAH, LIKE I SAID, ADDING A PERMANENT POSITION.
THE COORDINATOR POSITION I SEE IS VALUABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THAT WORK.
AND THE ORGANIZATIONAL REVIEW I SEE IS USEFUL.
THIS POSITION JUST YEAH, SEEMS TO BE JUMPING AHEAD.
AND IT'S IT'S TOUGH TO SORT OF HAVE OVERSIGHT ON THE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS BUDGET WISE WITHOUT SOME OF THAT DATA AND BEFORE SEEING WHAT COMES OUT OF THE ORGANIZATIONAL REVIEW. THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COMMENTS DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE? ALSO LOTS OF PONDERING SO WE CAN TABLE THIS ONE.
COUNCILLOR WARBURTON AND THE DEPUTY MAYOR COCHRANE.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A TWO YEAR TERM.
MR. VAN DINE, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT? YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
SO THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN SHARED ILLUSTRATES THAT AT THIS POINT WE ARE PUTTING FORWARD A PROPOSAL THAT WOULD BE A TWO YEAR RISK ON THE CURRENT VACANCY RATE THAT WE ARE VERY CONFIDENT THAT FROM YEAR TO YEAR TO YEAR, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO MAINTAIN AT A FAIRLY HEALTHY LEVEL, WHICH FROM A BUDGETING PERSPECTIVE IN MY ESTIMATION, IS THAT WE ARE LEAVING CAPACITY ON THE TABLE THAT WE'RE NOT USING AS A RESULT OF MAINTAINING A VACANCY RATE LEVEL RESERVE TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
THE RISKS THAT I FORESEE IN WANTING TO ADDRESS WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL WOULD BE MITIGATED IN THE FACT THAT WE WOULD HAVE AN ORGANIZATIONAL REVIEW THAT WOULD CONCLUDE WITHIN THAT TIMELINE AND BE ABLE TO VALIDATE WHETHER THIS POSITION, AS WELL AS POTENTIAL OTHER POSSIBILITIES OF SYNERGY, COULD BE FOUND IN AN ORGANIZATIONAL REVIEW.
SO IT IS WHAT I WOULD DESCRIBE AS A LOW RISK SCENARIO FOR COUNCIL, BASED ON OUR CURRENT PRACTICE OF MAINTAINING A VACANCY RATE THAT HAS BEEN HISTORICALLY RUNNING AROUND 10% ON AN ONGOING BASIS.
AND WITH THAT, I BELIEVE WE CAN USE THAT THOSE RESOURCES BETTER FOR THIS PURPOSE TO ALLOW, AGAIN, TO FACILITATE THE POTENTIAL TO OPEN UP MORE CAPACITY TO ADVANCE SOME OF THE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE BELIEVE ARE PRETTY CRITICAL FOR THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE RIGHT NOW.
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AND WAS THERE ANY RATIONALE OR THOUGHT TO WHY THIS WOULD BE THAT WHOLE PROCESS WOULD BE STAFFED VERSUS, SAY, CONTRACTED, WHICH IS KIND OF MORE OF OUR NORMAL APPROACH TO THINGS.YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'VE GOT SOME FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT UNDERSTANDING OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES, ROLES AND GOVERNANCE AND THE HISTORY AND THE AND THE OPERATION OF GOVERNMENT CONTRACTING OUT THAT SERVICE FOR AN INTERNAL KIND OF GOVERNANCE FUNCTION, I THINK, WOULD PLACE THE ORGANIZATION AT SOME RISK.
THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT THAT EXPERTISE PROCURED AND TO ADVISE, JUST SO THAT THE CITY HAS SOME CONFIDENCE AND COUNCIL HAS SOME CONFIDENCE MOVING FORWARD, THAT IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A MORE MODERN ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE, IT HAS THE BENEFIT OF SOME OUTSIDE VALIDATION AND RESEARCH.
BUT FOR THE PURPOSES OF RUNNING OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT, RUNNING OUR CLERK'S DEPARTMENT, REENGINEERING POTENTIALLY OUR GOVERNANCE PROCESS WITH RESPECT TO OUR SENIOR LEADERSHIP TEAM COMMITTEE TABLE AND SUPPORTING A TERMS OF REFERENCE PROCESS, I BELIEVE THAT'S AN INTERNAL EXERCISE THAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE FINDING AN INTERNAL RESOURCE TO DO THAT. THANK YOU.
YEAH, I GUESS I'M A BIT TORN ON THIS ONE.
I SEE THE VALUE OF THAT, BUT I DO SHARE COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN'S CONCERN OF PERMANENCY.
AND THE REASON WHY WE HIRED YOU IS TO MAKE DECISIONS LIKE THIS.
I ALSO SEE THE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SPLIT ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES AND LEGAL UP.
I THINK THEY ARE TAKING A LOT OF TIME OUT OF EACH OTHER HERE.
AND I THINK CREATING THESE NEW DEPARTMENTS IS NOT NECESSARILY A BAD THING WHATSOEVER.
YEAH. I THINK IN PRINCIPLE, I APPRECIATE THE MOTION FROM COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN, IN THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT I HEARD IN THE CITY MANAGER'S RESPONSE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, PENDING THE VALIDATION OF AN ORGANIZATIONAL REVIEW.
OF COURSE, THESE POSITIONS MAY MAY LOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENT OR SOMETHING, BUT THE NEED FOR ONGOING INTERNAL OVERSIGHT AND GUIDANCE IN THE AREA OF GOVERNANCE IS NOT GOING TO GO AWAY.
WE ARE $100 MILLION PLUS ORGANIZATION WITH 250 PLUS STAFF.
AND YEAH, I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THAT.
YOU KNOW, BEING HERE FOR A FEW MONTHS, OUR NEW CITY MANAGER HAS HAS AN IDEA OF WHAT WILL HELP, YOU KNOW, ACHIEVE THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN SPEAKING ABOUT SINCE SINCE HE'S HEARD US.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE RIGHT ANSWER, BUT I'M WILLING TO SUPPORT THE POSITIONS BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS THE PART OF LEADERSHIP THAT SUCKS, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE WRONG, IT SHOWS UP IN YOUR EVALUATION.
AND IF YOU'RE RIGHT, WE THANK YOU FOR DOING ALL THE THINGS THAT WE WE REALLY WANT DONE.
SO I'M HAPPY TO DEFER TO YOUR EXPERTISE.
AND I FULLY UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF GOVERNANCE INTERNALLY AND GETTING OUR HOUSE IN ORDER.
AND, YOU KNOW, OUR TEAMS, OUR SENIOR LEADERSHIP TEAMS AND ALL THE STAFF ON THE FRONT LINES ARE SO BUSY DELIVERING SERVICES AND TRYING TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS THAT I THINK A LITTLE ATTENTION UNDER THE HOOD WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL.
SO I DON'T THINK I COULD SUPPORT THE MOTION.
I'LL BE VERY QUICK, COUNCILLOR FEQUET SUMMED UP MY THOUGHTS VERY WELL.
I'D PREFER TO HAVE SOMEBODY IN THAT MORE SENIOR LEADERSHIP ROLE TO BE ABLE TO, LIKE, SOLELY FOCUS ON THE GOVERNANCE OVER A TWO YEAR PERIOD VERSUS ACTUALLY HAVING OTHER PEOPLE REPORT TO THEM.
BUT YEAH, I DON'T WANT TO CREATE ANOTHER DEPARTMENT I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH.
SO I WON'T SUPPORT THE MOTION AS PRESENTED.
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ANYTHING ELSE ON THE CITY MANAGER ONE? SEEING NONE.ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? FOR MYSELF, I JUST HAVE THE QUESTIONS ABOUT PREPARING FOR THE ELECTION.
GENERALLY, WE GET THE BIG ASK DURING AN ELECTION YEAR AND NOT THE YEAR BEFORE.
SO WONDERING WHY WE NEED TWO YEARS WORTH OF FUNDING INSTEAD OF JUST GOING WITH 2026? MR. VAN DINE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
SO THE RATIONALE, WHICH I THINK WE I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TO TO EXPAND ON HERE.
ONE OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE THINGS THAT COUNCIL WOULD BE UNAWARE OF IS THAT WE HAVE A VOTERS LIST SYSTEM THAT REQUIRES AN OUTSIDE RESOURCE TO HELP US MAINTAIN. WE HAVE UNFORTUNATELY, LET THAT CONTRACT GO.
AND SO WE HAVE TO GET THAT REINSTATED.
AND TO WAIT UNTIL 2026, I THINK, WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CHALLENGING.
THE TOTALITY OF GETTING THAT CLEANED UP.
THERE'S A WE HAVE WORKING ESTIMATES, BUT I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE TOO SHY ON THAT.
AND SO I AM ADMITTEDLY GIVING SOME THOUGHT TO WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN 2025 TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ONBOARDING AND ORIENTATION AND THE PROPER PROCEDURES IN PLACE FOR FOR THAT.
ANYTHING FURTHER ON CITY CLERK? SEEING NONE.
NEXT WE HAVE FISCAL SERVICES WILL JUST COME BACK AS LIKE IF YOU HAVE GENERAL QUESTIONS ON THAT.
AND THIS IS WHERE WE GET INTO SOME WACKY DIVISIONAL VERSUS ORG CHART STUFF.
BECAUSE SO I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WE ADDED A CUSTOMER SERVICES AND FINANCE OFFICER IN 2024.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE DROPPED A SENIOR A SENIOR CUSTOMER SERVICE REPRESENTATIVE.
AND SO NOW WE HAVE FOUR CUSTOMER SERVICES AND FINANCE OFFICERS.
AND WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADD A BUDGETING AND TAXATION OFFICER, WHICH WE PROPOSED IN 2024, BUT WE DIDN'T GO WITH AND WE CHANGED THAT TO CUSTOMER SERVICES.
SO YEAH, JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR FOUR CUSTOMER SERVICE AND FINANCE OFFICERS AND THEN THE NEED FOR THE BUDGETING AND TAXATION OFFICER NOW, MR. VAN DINE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
SO THE THE NUMBER OF REVENUES THAT COME INTO THE CITY AND THE ALL FORMS OF COLLECTION DO REQUIRE US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT THE ABILITY TO MONITOR AND AND COLLECT SO THAT WE HAVE WHAT IS OWED.
WE ALSO ARE GOING THROUGH A BIT OF A RENEWAL WITHIN OUR CORPORATE SERVICES AREA TO GET A BETTER HANDLE ON HOW WE ARE MOVING MONIES BACK AND FORTH, AND WITH A VERY DATED CHART OF ACCOUNTS.
WITH RESPECT TO THE SPECIFIC PROPOSALS THAT YOU WERE DRAWING ATTENTION TO, I'LL INVITE MR. PANDOO TO SPEAK TO THE SPECIFICS OF THOSE AND THE RATIONALE BEHIND THEM.
SORRY. JUST TO MENTION THERE'S NO ASTERISKS NEXT TO THE POSITIONS IN [INAUDIBLE] SERVICES.
I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION IN TERMS OF.
SO LAST YEAR, COUNCIL DID APPROVE A SENIOR BUDGETING AND TAXATION OFFICER, SO WE DID FILL THAT POSITION UP. SO THE BUDGETING AND TAXATION OFFICER SUCCESSFULLY APPLIED AND GOT THE POSITION OF SENIOR BUDGETING AND
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TAXATION OFFICER, LEAVING THE BUDGETING AND TAXATION OFFICER VACANT.WHAT WE DID, I MEAN, WHEN I JOINED THE CITY AFTER THE WILDFIRES LAST YEAR, I COME IN AND I DID KIND OF DID AN ASSESSMENT OF ALL THE DIVISIONS IN CORPORATE SERVICES AND THAT'S WHAT I FIGURED OUT, BECAUSE I DO HAVE A VISION AND I DO HAVE AN EXPECTATION OF MYSELF.
I THOUGHT WE NEEDED SOME TWEAKS IN THOSE DIVISIONS.
SO WHAT WHAT WE DID, WHAT I DID WAS TO RENAME THE BUDGETING AND TAXATION OFFICER A CUSTOMER SERVICE REPRESENTATIVE AND FINANCE OFFICER, AND IT WAS INTERNALLY REASSIGNED IN THE FINANCIAL SERVICES DIVISION.
NOW, THIS NEW POSITION IN BUDGETING AND TAXATION IS A BUDGETING AND TAXATION ANALYST.
BEFORE I MOVE ON, THERE WAS NO SO THE BUDGETING AND TAXATION OFFICER AND THE CSR FINANCE OFFICER, THEY HAD THE SAME WAGE SCALE, SO THERE WAS NO NET COST TO IT.
IT WAS JUST REASSIGNED INTERNALLY.
THIS NEW PY, IS A BUDGETING AND TAXATION ANALYST WHICH IS A MUCH SENIOR LEVEL POSITION AND IT WILL BE PLACED JUST UNDER THE BUDGETING, THE MANAGER, BUDGETING AND TAXATION.
SO THAT IS A BIG CHANGE IN TERMS OF BECAUSE WHAT I SAW WAS THE BUDGETING AND TAXATION DIVISION AND THE FINANCIAL SERVICES DIVISION HAD DIFFERENT NEEDS.
AND THE BUDGETING TAXATION DIVISION NEEDED A MUCH HIGHER LEVEL OF, OF OF STAFF THAN PREVIOUSLY THAT WAS. SO THIS IS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND IN TERMS TO PROBABLY I DO APOLOGIZE IF THAT CREATED SOME CONFUSION IN TERMS OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING.
NOW, IF YOU DO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AFTER THIS, I'M HAPPY TO TO REPLY.
FOR BUDGET 2026, I THINK WE COULD DO AN OVERHAUL ON PY REPORTING.
IT'S BEEN GETTING A LITTLE CONFUSING.
ANY QUESTIONS ON, I GUESS THAT STAFFING SUMMARY WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THE POSITIONS AT THE DIVISIONAL LEVEL? YEP.
SO, CORPORATE SERVICES DIRECTORATE, PAGE 42.
LET'S MAKE SURE BUDGETS ARE PRINTED THE RIGHT.
TAXATION AND BUDGETING DIVISION, PAGE 43.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? COUNCILLOR FEQUET.
JUST A GENERAL QUESTION REGARDING OUR TAX ASSESSMENTS, OUR CONTRACTOR THAT WE RELY ON RECOGNIZING THERE IS NOT A DEEP POOL OF FOLKS WHO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE.
AND JUST WONDERING, LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE, I THINK THERE'S ONE NOW.
WHAT ARE OUR IS THERE ANY BUDGETING, PLANNING OR VISIONING? YOU SAID YOU HAD A VISION [INAUDIBLE] ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT RISK OF MAYBE NOT HAVING THOSE SERVICES AVAILABLE.
SO WE ARE NOT THE ONLY MUNICIPALITY IN THE NORTHWEST TERRITORIES THAT ARE THAT'S IN THAT SITUATION.
AND OUR COLLEAGUES AT MUNICIPAL AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS ARE WORKING HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT A GENERAL ASSESSMENT PROCESS THAT IS IS ROBUST AND PREDICTABLE ACROSS ACROSS ALL COMMUNITIES.
OUR ABILITY TO MITIGATE AGAINST THAT MARKET AVAILABILITY IS A BIT LIMITED AS AS A SINGLE JURISDICTION WITHIN WITHIN A COMPETITIVE ENVIRONMENT OF THAT NATURE.
YOUR THOUGHTS ARE NOT LOST ON US IN TERMS OF THE POTENTIAL RISK OF LABOR AVAILABILITY IN THAT SPACE.
AND WE'VE COMMUNICATED THAT QUITE STRONGLY TO OUR COLLEAGUES AT MUNICIPAL AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS.
MR. PANDOO, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ELABORATE? JUST ONE. WE WE DO HAVE A PLAN THAT'S KIND OF BREWING, BUT MORE TO COME LATER.
THANK YOU. SEEING NOTHING FURTHER.
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PAGE 44 IS FINANCIAL SERVICES DIVISION.PROCUREMENT AND SUPPLY SERVICES, PAGE 45.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. JUST A QUESTION ABOUT THE ONE TIME IT AUDIT.
JUST WHAT ARE WE LOOKING TO ACCOMPLISH THERE? MR. VAN DINE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
MR. PANDOO, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION A LOT.
I THINK I HAVE MENTIONED BEFORE, AND I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS WE DO HAVE A VERY DATED INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE THAT PROBABLY FROM AN IT PERSPECTIVE I WOULD NOT BE COMFORTABLE SHARING IT HERE, BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT ASPECTS ABOUT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, OUR DATA, HOW AND EVERYTHING THAT GOES WITH IT.
SO I KNOW IT'S NOT THE EXACT ANSWER YOU WANT AT THIS TIME, BUT WE WE ARE WORKING ON IT AND YOU WILL SOON GET A MEMO, AN UPDATE FROM FROM US.
THANK YOU. IF I MIGHT ADD, MADAM CHAIR, IF YOU'LL INDULGE ME.
SO THIS IS THIS IS AN INDICATIVE OF WHERE WE ARE TODAY ON THE IT AND OUR CURRENT SITUATION.
AND MR. PANDOO'S REFERENCES TO THE LACK OF COMFORT AS TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY AND WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE IT TO.
AND WHAT THIS AUDIT WILL DO IS INDICATIVE OF AN ORGANIZATIONAL AND OPERATIONAL MODEL THAT WE HAVE THAT BASICALLY HAD ALL OF OUR TEAM HERE RESPONSIBLE FOR BRINGING IN INDIVIDUAL IT PROJECTS FROM THEIR PARTICULAR SILO OF RESPONSIBILITY.
AND THE WAY THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY OPERATING SUGGESTS THAT THE LEVEL OF RESEARCH IS INCUMBENT ON EACH DIRECTOR TO DO THAT INVESTIGATION WITH RESPECT TO IT REQUIREMENTS, AND THEN THAT INDIVIDUAL DIRECTOR IS TO THINK ABOUT SERVICE PROVIDERS THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT IT PERSPECTIVE, AND THEN THAT INDIVIDUAL DIRECTOR NEEDS TO DO THAT TO ACQUIRE THE RESOURCES TO THEN IMPLEMENT IT.
WE'RE NOW IN 2024 HEADING INTO 2025, AND CERTAINLY SOME OF THE ASPECTS OF THE WAY THAT WE WOULD APPROACH THIS BUSINESS THAT I'M VERY HAPPY TO HAVE MR. PANDOO WITH ME AND HIS TEAM IS TO MOVE TOWARDS A MORE MODERN STRUCTURE WITH HOW WE DEAL WITH SUCH PROJECTS AND TO HAVE A GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE, JUST IF I CAN MAKE THAT PLUG ONE MORE TIME, TO ALLOW FOR AN INTEGRATED APPROACH TO TO THESE KINDS OF DECISIONS FOR, FOR THE CITY AND FOR YELLOWKNIFE.
SEEING NOTHING FURTHER, ASSET MANAGEMENT AND GIS DIVISION.
NEXT WE HAVE THE ACTIVE AND STRATEGY DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS ON PAGE 50.
ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.
MR. VAN DINE TO THE ADVISABILITY OF THE MOTION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
I WOULD ADVISE THAT IF THAT PROGRAM IS AN AREA WITH WHICH ADMINISTRATION SHOULD DEVOTE A LITTLE BIT OF ENERGY TO DECIDE HOW THAT MIGHT BE ENHANCED I WOULD URGE FOR MORE OF A GENERAL DIRECTION IN THAT REGARD, RATHER THAN POINTING TO A PARTICULAR OFFICE WITHIN THE WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION TO ADVANCE THAT OUTCOME, SUCH AS A PARTICULAR POSITION CALLED A GRANT WRITER.
I THINK THE THE INTEREST THAT THE COUNCIL IS EXPRESSING IS A GOOD ONE IN TERMS OF SEEKING TO FIND WAYS TO OFFSET AND AND FIND ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO HELP SUPPORT PARTICULAR OBJECTIVES WITHIN THE CITY.
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I WOULD JUST ADVISE COUNCIL, MAYBE NOT TO PIN IT TO A PARTICULAR POSITION WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION, JUST AS AS ADVICE.THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YEAH. THIS NOT NECESSARILY MEANT TO ENHANCE.
THIS IS A POPULAR AND SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM.
HOWEVER, YEARLY CHANGES TO THE FUNDING STRUCTURE HAVE BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY CHALLENGING.
THERE'S ONGOING EFFORTS TO FIND CUTS AT THE GNWT.
SO, SO JUST LOOKING TO FIND AN ALTERNATIVE SOURCE OF LONGER TERM FUNDING FOR THIS PROGRAM.
THERE ARE POTENTIALLY FEDERAL PROGRAMS. THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW ACTIONS WE'RE TAKING OUT OF THE GROW STRATEGY.
THANK YOU. ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE MOTION? COUNCILLOR MCGURK.
I AGREE WITH COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN'S THOUGHTS.
BUT I DO UNDERSTAND HOW IT MIGHT BE MORE BENEFICIAL TO TAKE THAT FOR ADMINISTRATION.
THAT BE A LARGER CONVERSATION, I GUESS, BUT I, I'M STRUGGLING TO STRUGGLING BECAUSE I DO THINK I DO WANT TO SEE THAT PROGRAM SUPPORTED, AND I DO WANT THERE TO BE MONEY ALLOCATED TO IT.
AND SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD BE PUSHING YOU TO LOOK AT GRANT OPTIONS OR JUST TELLING YOU THAT WE WANT YOU TO FUND IT. DOES ADMINISTRATION KNOW THE COST IF THE CITY WERE TO FULLY FUND IT? MR. VAN DINE YOU MIGHT HAVE A DIRECTOR THAT'S GOT AN ANSWER.
OKAY, I'LL TURN TO THAT DIRECTOR WITH THAT ANSWER.
YEAH. WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN OBTAINING FUNDING.
WE ALSO HAVE DISCUSSED THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH THE SINGLE CONTRACTOR WITH A PRIVATE BUSINESS.
IT'S NOT A SOCIAL ENTITY, PER SE.
IT'S NOT A NONPROFIT, BUT WE HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN OBTAINING FUNDING.
THE PROBLEM IS, YES, WE DON'T HAVE MULTIYEAR FUNDING.
SO WE DON'T HAVE A BUDGET FOR THAT IN OUR DEPARTMENT TO IMPLEMENT GROW.
SO IT IS SUBJECT TO WHETHER WE CAN OBTAIN FUNDING OR NOT.
ALSO THE GRANT APPLICATION PROCESS AND REPORTING DOES TAKE UP SOME TIME.
SO THAT'S EXTRA WORK ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
SO WE TAKE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL.
BUT WE'RE FULLY AWARE OF THE CURRENT FUNDING POT.
WE'VE AGREED TO DISCUSS COLLECTIVELY THE FUNDING AVAILABLE THROUGH ITI WITH ITI AND THE CONTRACTOR TOGETHER, AND ALSO DISCUSS THE POTENTIAL FOR MULTIYEAR FUNDING AND ALSO ADVISE THAT IF WE GO TO MULTIYEAR FUNDING AND EXCEED $25,000 SOLE SOURCE, WHICH WE WILL, BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT $25,000 IS WHAT WE SPEND PER YEAR ON TRANSFORM YOUR YARD, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO OUT TO AN EXPRESSION OF INTEREST OR RFP, AND THE CURRENT CONTRACTOR MAY OR MAY NOT BE THE SUCCESSFUL PROPONENT, SO I HOPE THAT HELPS.
YES. WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT IT IS A WELL SUBSCRIBED PROGRAM AND ONE OF THE FEW GROW INITIATIVES THAT WE HAVE TAKEN ON AND ARE SUCCESSFULLY DELIVERING, I I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IF, IF COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN WOULD WOULD LIKE TO AMEND HIS MOTION, BUT I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF JUST ENSURING THAT THERE IS MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR THAT PROGRAM, AND THE ADMINISTRATION CAN DECIDE IF THEY ARE GOING TO SEEK GRANTS OR NOT TO COVER THAT.
COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT, IF YOU WANTED TO ADD $25,000 TO THE BUDGET FOR IT, OR DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO JUST DIRECT STAFF TO FIND FUNDING FOR IT? I THINK THAT WOULD DEPEND JUST A CLARIFICATION.
THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL INFORMATION.
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MR. VAN DINE.I BELIEVE THE DISCUSSION AROUND THIS WOULD SUGGEST THAT COUNCIL MAY BE ENCOURAGING US TO LEVERAGE OR HEDGE, I SHOULD SAY OUR, OUR INTEREST IN THIS PROGRAM BY PUTTING AN ADDITIONAL $25,000 INTO THIS TO ALLOW FOR SOME KIND OF MEDIUM TERM PLANNING, IF YOU WILL, WITH RESPECT TO THIS PROGRAM.
AND I HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULDN'T BE A PRUDENT STEP IF THERE'S INTEREST IN THIS IN THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY THE AN AMENDED MOTION, POTENTIALLY, IF IT WAS TO BE AMENDED, IS NOT SO MUCH TO SUGGEST THAT ADMINISTRATION IS ADVISING AGAINST THIS.
WE'RE JUST ENCOURAGING IT THAT THE MOTION BE MORE GENERALIZED WITH RESPECT TO DIRECTING ADMINISTRATION TO TO BE VIGILANT AND SEEK OPPORTUNITIES FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING FROM OTHER LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT OR SOURCES.
SO MR. VAN DINE JUST MAYBE TO DOUBLE CHECK WITH MISS THISTLE, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THE GNWT MIGHT HAVE TO VERIFY EVERY YEAR WHETHER WE CAN USE THE MONEY AGAIN FOR THE SAME PROGRAM.
BUT IF I COULD JUST GET CLARITY ON THAT ONE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MISS THISTLE.
YES. THE CAP FUNDING THAT CONTRACT WITH THE GNWT EXPIRES IN 2026.
THE CITY HAS TO APPLY EACH YEAR FOR FUNDING UNDER THE TRANSFORM YOUR YARD PROGRAM.
WE'VE BEEN EXPLORING WITH ITI THE POSSIBILITY OF MULTI-YEAR FUNDING.
WE DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT YET.
AND JUST IF WE WERE SUCCESSFUL, THEN, AS I INDICATED, WE'D LIKELY HAVE TO GO TO EXPRESSION OR INTEREST OF INTEREST OR RFP, BECAUSE WE'LL EXCEED THE $25,000 SOLE SOURCE ABILITY THAT THE CITY CURRENTLY HAS FOR PROCUREMENT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SORT OF FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOOD FOR 2025 AND THE REAL DECISION POINT MIGHT BE IN 2026 AS TO WHETHER THE CITY NEEDS TO ADD MONEY OR NOT. SO I WOULD WITHDRAW THE MOTION AND CHECK IN NEXT YEAR.
AND PENDING NEEDING MONEY TO RUN THE PROGRAM IN 2026, HAVE THIS DISCUSSION ADD MONEY OR NOT, DEPENDING ON HOW THAT MULTI-YEAR FUNDING GOES. THIS HAS BECOME AN INTERESTING ISSUE.
SOUNDS LIKE THE GNWT'S RECEIVED FEDERAL FUNDING CALLED THE CANADIAN AGRICULTURE PARTNERSHIP CAP, AND EVERY YEAR THEY GO OUT TO MUNICIPAL, IT COULD BE A BUSINESS.
THE BUSINESS COULD APPLY, INDIVIDUALS COULD APPLY NOT FOR PROFITS COULD APPLY.
AND WE PITCH OUR IDEA SO WE WON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO GET 2025 FUNDING TILL APRIL 1ST.
SO IF WE WANT TO HEDGE OUR BETS, WE PUT $25,000 IN, OR THE BUSINESS COULD ALSO APPLY DIRECTLY THEMSELVES TO THIS PROGRAM.
SO YEAH, WE CAN ALSO IT'S NOT GUARANTEED.
I WOULD LIKE MORE TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT AS I'M TRYING TO ABSORB ALL THIS INFORMATION.
FOR SURE. I'LL CIRCULATE I THINK WHAT'S THE FUNDING IS.
AND MAYBE MISS THISTLE CAN JUST DOUBLE CHECK THAT IT'S THE RIGHT ONE.
BUT WE WILL TABLE THIS ONE AND COME BACK TOMORROW.
TO THAT ONE YOU STILL WANTED TO OR SOMETHING SEPARATE ON ACTIVE.
COUNCILLOR FEQUET AND THEN COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE WE'RE OFF THAT LAST ONE.
THANKS. I JUST I'LL COMMENT FIRST.
THE FINANCIAL ADMINISTRATION ACT OF THE GNWT, WHICH OFTEN THEY DON'T REFER TO, DOES ALLOW MULTIYEAR FUNDING, AND IT'S ALWAYS UNDERUSED AND MOST DEPARTMENTS DON'T THINK THEY CAN DO IT, BUT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE DISCRETION AT THE DIRECTOR LEVEL.
SO I HOPE THEY GIVE YOU MULTIYEAR FUNDING.
MY QUESTION WAS ACTUALLY JUST ABOUT THE Q&A ABOUT THE GIANT MINE REMEDIATION.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS. THANK YOU FOR THE RESPONSE ABOUT THE MOUNTAIN, THAT IT'S FOR CAPACITY BUILDING.
AND IT WASN'T DIRECTLY LINKED TO COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN'S QUESTION, BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS, DO WE HAVE, LIKE A TARGETED FOCUS FOR THAT $44,000, OR IS IT KIND OF JUST GOING TO A GENERAL POT FOR THE DIVISION OR DEPARTMENT?
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MR. VAN DINE. SO I WILL I'LL INVITE DIRECTOR THISTLE TO TO ADD, BUT RIGHT NOW WE ARE...WE DO HAVE A REGULAR WORKING GROUP DISCUSSION WITH THE GOVERNMENT OF THE NORTHWEST TERRITORIES, AS WELL AS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ON THIS PROJECT THAT REQUIRES MULTIPLE DIRECTORS TO BE PRESENT ON TO PARTICIPATE.
DIRECTOR THISTLE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? YEAH. THANK YOU.
WE APPLIED FOR CAPACITY BUILDING FUNDING A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO IN RECOGNITION THAT IT PRIOR TO THE WATER LICENSE BEING ISSUED AND SHORTLY THEREAFTER, IT WAS VERY TIME CONSUMING, ALL THE MEETINGS THAT WERE TAKING PLACE WITH RESPECT TO THE WATER LICENSE ISSUANCE ALSO WASN'T FULLY WITHIN OUR EXPERTISE.
SO WE HIRED A CONTRACTOR AT THAT TIME TO ASSIST WITH THE FUNDING THAT WAS PROVIDED.
BUT WE DO HAVE AN EXTERNAL CONSULTANT WHO ASSISTS, SHE ATTENDS THE TECHNICAL MEETINGS, PROVIDES ADVICE AND ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS.
SO WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE THAT WE'LL SPEND ALL OF THAT MONEY ON THAT CONTRACT.
AND THIS IS THE CAPACITY BUILDING SPECIFICALLY FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
COOL. THAT WAS WAY MORE HISTORY AND DETAIL THAN I WAS EXPECTING, BUT THAT'S REALLY GREAT TO KNOW.
THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. QUESTIONS AROUND GENERAL SERVICES.
SO THE NOTE SAYS PUBLIC RELATIONS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND TOURISM.
AND THEN IN OUR Q&A ASKED FOR SOME MORE DETAIL.
AND THE LIST IS TOURISM STRATEGY, HOTEL LEVY DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES.
A LOT OF THESE THINGS SOUND LIKE STAFF TIME AND WAGES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO TO RESPOND.
SO I, I BELIEVE COUNCIL IS PROBABLY AWARE THAT WHEN WE'RE DEVELOPING TOURISM STRATEGIES, WE QUARTERBACK THAT INTERNALLY TO OVERSEE IT, BUT WE DO CONTRACT AND PROCURE OUTSIDE SOURCES TO HELP US WITH SUCH THINGS.
WE HAVE DONE THAT WITH THE TOURISM STRATEGY THAT WILL BE COMING TO COUNCIL SOON.
WE'VE ALSO DONE THAT WITH RESPECT TO SOME OF THE PREPARATIONS THAT WE'VE DONE FOR OTHER FILES.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS A RESPONSIBLE AMOUNT OF RESOURCES THAT WE SET ASIDE TO DEAL WITH A RELATIVELY MODEST SIZED ORGANIZATION TO DEAL WITH SOME FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT STRATEGIC ACTIVITIES.
BUT I'LL INVITE MADAM THISTLE TO ADD FURTHER TO THAT.
I'LL GIVE A GENERAL DESCRIPTION.
AND IF I CAN'T REMEMBER EVERYTHING, I CAN ALWAYS PROVIDE IT AT A LATER TIME.
IT WOULD INCLUDE THINGS SUCH AS EVEN OUR ADVERTISING CONTRACTS.
SO WE HAVE ADVERTISING CONTRACTS WITH VARIOUS MEDIA IN THE CITY.
IT INCLUDES MR. VAN DINE DESCRIBED CONTRACTED COSTS, SO WITH CONTRACTED COSTS TO DO THE STRATEGY.
SOMETIMES WE'RE SUCCESSFUL AND RECEIVE FUNDING.
SO THE TOURISM STRATEGY IS ACTUALLY A REALLY GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT WHERE IT DID PROVIDE FUNDING, BUT WE HAVE CONTRACTED COSTS FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'LL SEE A PRESENTATION ON MONDAY FOR THE NEW IMAGINED RECRUITMENT CAMPAIGN.
WE HAVE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH PRINT MATERIALS.
WE'RE GOING TO SPONSOR A [INAUDIBLE] NIGHT AT ROUNDUP.
WE'RE PARTNER WITH THE CHAMBER OF MINES.
SO WE PARTICIPATE AND PAY IN GEOSCIENCE AND DO [INAUDIBLE] TOURISM.
SO THERE'S MANY, MANY LIKE HARD COSTS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THAT NUMBER.
IT COULD INCLUDE CONTRACTED COSTS FOR GRAPHIC DESIGNERS.
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SO IF WE HAVE TIME INTERNALLY, THEN WE CAN PRODUCE SOME OF THIS OURSELVES.BUT TO DATE, WE HAVEN'T FILLED THE SECOND COMMUNICATIONS POSITION.
SO THAT'S A SHE CAN'T KEEP UP WITH ALL OF THAT STUFF.
SO YEAH, WE INCUR CONTRACTED COSTS ACROSS THE BOARD EVEN ON BEHALF OF DEPARTMENTS IN SOME CASES.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE WILDFIRE REVAMP OF THE WEBSITE, WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT INTERNALLY.
BUT SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS WE PRODUCED, WE WE CONTRACTED THAT WORK OUT.
SO I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE ANY CLARITY IF NECESSARY.
AND IF, IF I MIGHT JUST INVITE [INAUDIBLE] TO MAYBE SPEAK TO THE THE QUANTUM FROM PAST YEARS, IS THIS ROUGHLY THE AMOUNT OF DOLLARS THAT WE'VE BEEN SPENDING HISTORICALLY? THE ANSWER IS YES.
THANK YOU. AND THEN THERE WAS SOME I REMEMBER WHERE WE SAW IT, BUT LOOKING FOR SOME FUNDS TO KIND OF BUILD OUT A MORE ROBUST INVESTMENT ATTRACTION AND, AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. IF WE DON'T ARE NOT SUCCESSFUL GETTING THOSE FUNDS, IS THIS ENOUGH CAPITAL TO DO SOME OF THAT WORK WITHOUT GETTING THOSE EXTERNAL FUNDS? MR. VAN DINE.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND.
SO I THINK COUNCIL WOULD POTENTIALLY RECOGNIZE THIS CHARACTERIZATION THAT SOME OF THE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES THAT APPROACH THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE FROM TIME TO TIME HAVE A RELATIVELY NARROW WINDOW WITH WHICH TO ENTER AND TO GET ADVICE ON HOW TO DO THAT.
THE PROPOSALS THAT WE WERE TALKING TODAY ABOUT ACTUALLY GIVING THIS PARTICULAR PART OF THE ORGANIZATION MORE BANDWIDTH TO DO THAT IS IS A VERY MODEST STEP TO FROM A STAFF LEVEL POINT OF VIEW, TO DO THAT.
IN TERMS OF OPPORTUNITIES AND IN TERMS OF GROWING CAPACITY TO DO THAT OVER TIME, I'M POSTULATING THAT WITH THAT INCREASED BANDWIDTH OF STAFF TIME AND FOCUS, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY WHERE WE WOULD FIND THOSE OTHER SOURCES OF FUNDING.
WE HAVE MADE AN APPLICATION RECENTLY TO OUR COLLEAGUES AT KANAWHA FOR A CORRIDOR CONCEPT THAT WE'RE OUR FINGERS ARE CROSSED, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF COMPETING INTEREST IN THAT PARTICULAR FUNDING POT.
WE ARE MAINTAINING ONGOING DIALOG WITH THE GOVERNMENT OF THE NORTHWEST TERRITORIES AND A VARIETY OF FRONTS WITH RESPECT TO LAND AND LAND ADMINISTRATION AND LAND AVAILABILITY.
WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT THAT WILL YIELD SOME PROGRESS.
SO MY MY COMMENTS TO COUNCIL IS THAT I BELIEVE THIS IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT VULNERABILITY FOR THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE NOT TO BE ABLE TO CAPITALIZE ON IDENTIFYING FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES FOR GROWTH AND EXPANSION OF ITS TAX BASE.
AND THIS IS A MATERIAL RISK THAT I'M HOPING TO AT LEAST IDENTIFY SOME SMALL ORGANIZATIONAL CAPACITY TO FOCUS, TO START NARROWING THOSE RISKS AND IDENTIFYING OPPORTUNITIES FOR COUNCIL.
THE ON ON THE MORE POSITIVE SIGN, COUNCIL WILL BE CONSIDERING A MOTION WITH RESPECT TO MAKING IT KNOWN TO THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA OF OUR INTEREST IN [INAUDIBLE] MAKING ADDITIONAL INVESTMENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND POTENTIALLY NORTHWARD.
AND THIS PARTICULAR ORGANIZATION I WOULDN'T QUITE DESCRIBE AS THE LITTLE TRAIN THAT COULD, BUT IT IS A MIGHTY TINY ONE AT THIS JUNCTURE AND WE'D LIKE TO TO TRY AND GROW IT IN THAT DIRECTION, TO ALLOW TO ALLOW YELLOWKNIFE TO MAXIMIZE AND BENEFIT FROM SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE NOT TOO FAR OFF ON THE HORIZON.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND STRATEGY? WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO KIND OF KEEP IT CLEAN.
WE WILL CALL IT A NIGHT AND COME BACK TOMORROW WITH COMMUNITY SERVICES.
AND IF WE HAVE ANSWERS FOR THE FOUR TABLED ITEMS WE COULD START WITH THOSE.
BUT HAVE A GOOD NIGHT, EVERYBODY.
WE WILL RECESS TILL TOMORROW AT 5:30.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.