Oct 15, 2024 Governance & Priorities Committee

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AND I'LL CALL OUR GOVERNANCE AND PRIORITIES COMMITTEE MEETING FOR TUESDAY, OCTOBER 15, 2024 TO ORDER, AND I'D LIKE TO BEGIN BY ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE IS

[1. Opening Statement]

FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL, IT HAS BEEN THE TRADITIONAL LAND OF THE YELLOWKNIVES DENE FIRST NATION.

WE RESPECT THE HISTORIES, LANGUAGES AND CULTURES OF ALL OTHER INDIGENOUS PEOPLES, INCLUDING THE NORTH SLAVE MÉTIS AND ALL FIRST NATIONS, MÉTIS AND INUIT, WHOSE PRESENCE CONTINUES TO ENRICH OUR VIBRANT COMMUNITY.

[2. Approval of the agenda.]

THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE DISCLOSURE OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN THE GENERAL NATURE THEREOF.

DOES ANY MEMBER HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BEFORE COUNCIL TODAY? SEEING NONE.

NEXT, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM URBAN SYSTEMS REGARDING THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE'S HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT UPDATE.

[4. A presentation from Urban Systems regarding City of Yellowknife Housing Needs Assessment update.]

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

I'LL BE TURNING IT OVER MOMENTARILY TO MISS WHITE TO INTRODUCE OUR CONSULTANT.

I DO WANT TO SAY THAT THIS HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT STUDY HAS BEEN LONG ANTICIPATED.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE BELIEVE WILL HELP DRIVE A NUMBER OF OTHER PROCESSES AND IDEAS FOR THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE, AND I'M VERY MUCH LOOKING FORWARD TO THE PRESENTATION TODAY TO SEE HOW COUNCIL REACTS TO THE FINDINGS AND WHERE WE TAKE IT FROM HERE.

SO, MADAM WHITE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND I WILL ASK JAKE FROM URBAN SYSTEMS TO COME UP, AND HE WILL GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

AND THEN I WILL ALSO ASK IF HE WANTS TO DISCUSS NEXT STEPS.

THERE'S SOME THAT ARE REQUIRED AS PART OF THE HOUSING ACCELERATOR FUND.

THIS IS WHAT KIND OF PRECIPITATED US STARTING THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT, BUT THERE'S A NUMBER OF OBJECTIVES AND ITEMS THAT WE CAN CARRY FORWARD FOLLOWING THE FINAL REPORT ON THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT.

SO IF YOU WANT TO COME FORWARD AND PROVIDE YOUR PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL. THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

AS MENTIONED, MY NAME IS JAKE PAPINEAU.

I'M A CONSULTANT WITH URBAN SYSTEMS. I'M HERE TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT, AND IT'S ALWAYS EXCITING WHEN SOMEONE SAYS ANTICIPATED ABOUT THE PRESENTATION.

SO AS AN INTRODUCTION, THE CITY RECEIVED AROUND 8.5 MILLION IN HOUSING ACCELERATOR FUNDING.

AS PART OF THAT FUNDING, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WAS IDENTIFIED WAS DEVELOPING A HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT.

IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT A HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT IS, IT'S A QUALITATIVE AND QUANTITATIVE LOOK AT WHAT THE CURRENT HOUSING NEEDS ARE IN THE COMMUNITY, AS WELL AS SOME PROJECTIONS INTO THE FUTURE AS TO WHAT HOUSING NEEDS MIGHT BE AND WHAT CHANGES MIGHT OCCUR.

SO WE DRAW UPON A LOT OF DIFFERENT DATA SETS.

SO DATA FROM STATCAN, CMHC, CITY DATA, TERRITORIAL DATA, REAL ESTATE DATA, BASICALLY ANY DATA THAT WE CAN GET OUR HANDS ON TO HELP UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE COMMUNITY OVER TIME, AND TO ANTICIPATE WHAT MIGHT BE HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE.

SO SOME OF THE KEY QUESTIONS THAT THESE TYPES OF STUDIES TEND TO LOOK AT ARE HOW MANY UNITS MIGHT BE NEEDED INTO THE FUTURE, AFFORDABILITY CHALLENGES, AND FINALLY, WHO IS IN THE GREATEST NEED OF HOUSING WITHIN THE COMMUNITY CURRENTLY? SO WE STARTED BY LOOKING AT THE COMMUNITY PROFILE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S OCCURRED OVER TIME IN TERMS OF POPULATION GROWTH.

SO WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT THE CITY'S POPULATION GREW BY JUST UNDER 4% BETWEEN 2016 AND 2021.

SOME OF THE NOTABLE DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION IS, YOU KNOW, AROUND 1 IN 4 RESIDENTS OF YELLOWKNIFE IDENTIFIES AS INDIGENOUS.

AROUND 16% ARE INDIGENOUS OR ARE IMMIGRANTS OF THAT IMMIGRANT POPULATION, AROUND 20% OF ARRIVED BETWEEN 2016 AND 2021, WHICH SUGGESTS THAT THE RATE OF IMMIGRATION TO THE COMMUNITY IS INCREASING OVER TIME.

ANOTHER NOTABLE POINT THAT WE FOUND IS THAT THE CITY'S SENIOR POPULATION.

SO INDIVIDUALS ABOVE THE AGE OF 65, LOOKING BACK TO 2011, IT'S ACTUALLY OVER 7% NOW.

SO THIS IS MORE THAN DOUBLED SINCE 2011.

A LOT OF COMMUNITIES WITHIN CANADA ARE EXPERIENCING AGING POPULATIONS, BUT SEEING THE PROPORTION OF SENIORS INCREASE SO SIGNIFICANTLY OVER A 15 YEAR PERIOD IS PRETTY NOTABLE.

THERE ARE QUITE HIGH MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOMES WITHIN THE CITY.

IN 2020, THIS WAS AROUND 147,000, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND THAT MEDIAN MEANS THAT 50% OF THE POPULATION EARNS MORE THAN THIS, 50% OF THE POPULATION EARNS LESS, AND SO WHEN IT COMES TO HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, LOOKING AT PARTICULAR HOUSEHOLD TYPES LIKE ONE PARENT HOUSEHOLDS, LONE PERSON HOUSEHOLDS, INDIVIDUALS ON FIXED INCOMES, WE SEE THAT THESE HOUSEHOLD TYPES TEND TO HAVE MUCH LOWER MEDIAN INCOMES AND THEREFORE AFFORDABILITY OF HOUSING BECOMES A BIGGER CONCERN FOR THESE GROUPS. WE'VE ALSO NOTICED THAT THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, A HIGHER COST OF LIVING IN THE NORTH COMPARED TO OTHER REGIONS IN CANADA.

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WHEN WE LOOK AT EMPLOYMENT, THE LARGEST SECTORS ARE PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION, HEALTHCARE AND RETAIL TRADE.

WHEN IT COMES TO THINGS LIKE PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION AND HEALTHCARE, WE FIND THAT EMPLOYMENT TENDS TO BE MORE STABLE OVER TIME, BUT WAGE INCREASES TEND TO BE SLOWER.

WE'VE NOTICED THAT MINING AS A SHARE OF THE CITY'S ECONOMY HAS DECREASED OVER TIME, AND BASED ON WHAT WE'VE LEARNED THROUGH ENGAGEMENTS AND SOME OF THE OTHER INFORMATION THAT WE'VE DRAWN UPON, IT SEEMS LIKE THE CITY'S ECONOMY IS AT ANOTHER POINT OF TRANSITION, AND SO SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT WE ENGAGED THROUGH OUR DISCUSSIONS HAVE INDICATED THAT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF NERVOUSNESS, BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT EMPLOYMENT, THE OVERALL EMPLOYMENT BASE IS FAIRLY STABLE, ESPECIALLY COMPARED TO SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES WITHIN THE REGION.

WHEN WE LOOK AT HOUSEHOLDS, THERE WERE JUST OVER 7500 HOUSEHOLDS IN 2021.

WHAT WE'VE SEEN OVER TIME IS THAT THE PROPORTION OF ONE AND TWO PERSON HOUSEHOLDS ARE BECOMING MORE PROMINENT.

THE AVERAGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE PER HOUSEHOLD IS AROUND 2.7, AND THE MOST COMMON HOUSEHOLD TYPES AS OF 2021 ARE COUPLES WITH CHILDREN, ONE PERSON HOUSEHOLDS, AND THEN COUPLES WITHOUT CHILDREN, SO SEEING THE INCREASE IN ONE AND TWO PERSON HOUSEHOLDS.

WHEN IT COMES TO HOUSING TYPE, THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS AVAILABLE WITHIN UNITS BECOMES MORE OF A CONSIDERATION, AS IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE UNITS COMING ONLINE HAVE MORE BEDROOMS THAN ARE ACTUALLY NEEDED BY A HOUSEHOLD, OR UNITS ARE COMING ONLINE THAT DON'T HAVE ENOUGH BEDROOMS FOR HOUSEHOLDS, DEPENDING ON CHANGE OVER TIME.

WHEN WE LOOK AT TENURE, HOME OWNERSHIP IS INCREASED TO JUST ABOUT 57% AS OF 2021.

YELLOWKNIFE HAS A VERY HIGH PERCENTAGE OF HOUSEHOLDS THAT RENT, SO WE IDENTIFIED THAT AROUND 44% OF HOUSEHOLDS CURRENTLY RENT.

WE'VE SEEN THIS PERCENTAGE GO DOWN SLIGHTLY OVER TIME, JUST AS A POINT OF COMPARISON.

THE PERCENTAGE OF RENTERS IN VANCOUVER IS ABOUT 54%, AND THEN THE PERCENTAGE OF RENTERS IN CALGARY IS ABOUT 32.

SO 44 IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT WHEN WE CONSIDER THINGS LIKE THE MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOMES OF RENTER HOUSEHOLDS, THEY TEND TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN OWNER HOUSEHOLDS, WHICH MEANS THAT THERE'S BASICALLY LESS INCOME TO GO AROUND TO COVER HOUSING COSTS, AND THEN WHEN WE LOOK AT OVERALL AFFORDABILITY, CMHC MEASURES HOUSING AFFORDABILITY IS BASICALLY SPENDING LESS THAN 30% OF YOUR GROSS HOUSEHOLD INCOME ON SHELTER COSTS, AND AROUND 1 IN 10 OWNER HOUSEHOLDS ARE CURRENTLY SPENDING MORE THAN 30%, AND JUST ABOUT A QUARTER OF RENTERS ARE SPENDING MORE THAN 30%.

SO JUST ILLUSTRATES THAT AS HOUSEHOLD INCOMES GO DOWN, THE INCREASED RISK OF SPENDING MORE THAN 30% ON RENT.

WHEN WE LOOK AT COMPLETIONS, THERE WERE JUST OVER 1100 UNITS COMPLETED IN YELLOWKNIFE BETWEEN 2010 AND 2023.

THERE WAS A NOTABLE PERIOD OF INCREASED DEVELOPMENT BETWEEN 2012 AND 2017, BUT WE'VE SEEN COMPLETION RATES DECREASE TO BETWEEN 55 AND 15 BETWEEN 2018 AND 2023.

THE DATA PRESENTED ON THIS CHART FOR 2023 WAS YEAR TO DATE, SO IT WAS THE MOST RECENT DATA THAT WE HAD AVAILABLE, AND WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL PURPOSE BUILT RENTAL UNITS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDER DEVELOPMENT AND OFFICE CONVERSION.

SO THE GRAPH DOESN'T TELL THE FULL STORY OF COMPLETION, BUT THE GENERAL TREND IS THAT THE NUMBER OF COMPLETIONS PER YEAR HAS DECREASED OVER TIME.

WHEN WE LOOK AT THE TYPES OF UNITS THAT ARE BEING DEVELOPED OVER TIME, BETWEEN 2016 AND 2021, WE'VE SEEN A SLIGHT DECREASE IN THE OVERALL PROPORTION OF SINGLE DETACHED HOUSES THAT MAKE UP THE OVERALL HOUSING STOCK WITHIN THE CITY.

AT THE SAME TIME, WE'VE SEEN AN INCREASE IN APARTMENT BUILDINGS OF FEWER THAN FIVE STORIES, MOVABLE DWELLINGS AND THEN SEMI DETACHED UNITS.

WHAT WE ALSO LIKE TO LOOK AT IN THESE TYPES OF STUDIES IS WHEN WAS THE BULK OF HOUSING DEVELOPED, AND SO MOST OF THE CITY'S HOUSING STOCK HAS BEEN DEVELOPED SINCE TWO BASICALLY BEFORE 2000.

WITHIN THE RENTAL MARKET, SPECIFICALLY, AROUND THREE QUARTERS OF ALL PURPOSE BUILT RENTALS WERE CONSTRUCTED BEFORE 2000.

WHEN WE SEE DATA LIKE THIS ON THE HOUSING STOCK HOUSES THAT ARE IN THAT KIND OF 61 TO 1980 RANGE, THESE ARE THE TYPES OF HOMES THAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING TO RENOVATE OR POTENTIALLY REDEVELOP, DEPENDING ON THE STATE OF THE PROPERTY.

SO THERE'S POTENTIAL FOR THERE TO BE SOME CHURN WITHIN THE OVERALL HOUSING STOCK AS THE OVERALL STOCK AGES.

WHEN WE LOOK AT VACANCY RATES AND AVERAGE RENTS, WE'VE SEEN THE VACANCY RATE BASED ON CMHC DATA VARY FROM AROUND 1% IN 2010, AND THEN THE MOST RECENT DATA WAS AVAILABLE FOR 2023 INDICATED THAT IT WAS AROUND 3.4%.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEARD FAIRLY CONSISTENTLY THROUGH ENGAGEMENT IS THAT THE CMHC DATA MAY NOT BE FULLY ACCURATE TO WHAT THE CURRENT VACANCY RATE SITUATION IS IN THE COMMUNITY, AND THAT ONLY SOME PURPOSE BUILT HOUSING PROVIDERS ARE ACTUALLY SURVEYED THROUGH THAT WORK.

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WHEN WE LOOK AT THE AVERAGE MONTHLY RENTS OF UNITS, THIS IS ANOTHER AREA WHERE WE FEEL THAT MAYBE SOME OF THE CMHC DATA DOESN'T TELL THE FULL STORY OF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. SO BASED ON THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS WE'RE SEEING, RENTS, THEY'VE INCREASED BY AROUND 28% SINCE 2010.

OVER THAT SAME PERIOD.

HOUSEHOLD INCOMES HAVE BEEN INCREASED BY THE SAME AMOUNT.

SO LESS MONEY HAS TO GO FURTHER, AND THEN THE TOTAL AVERAGE RENTS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED RANGE BETWEEN 1300 FOR A BACHELOR, ALL THE WAY UP TO 2250 FOR A THREE PLUS BEDROOM, AND AS I MENTIONED THROUGH THE ENGAGEMENT, WE'VE LEARNED THAT THIS MIGHT NOT ACTUALLY BE THE REALITY IN THE COMMUNITY.

WHEN IT COMES TO OWNERSHIP WE REVIEWED REAL ESTATE DATA FOR SALES WITHIN YELLOWKNIFE BETWEEN 2020 AND 2024.

IT'S USUALLY AROUND 275 SALES PER YEAR, AND WE'VE SEEN THAT SALES PRICES FOR EVERY UNIT TYPE HAVE INCREASED SINCE JANUARY 2020.

WE'VE NOTICED THAT THE AVERAGE SALE PRICE FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES HAS ACTUALLY DECREASED 2024 YEAR TO DATE, REACHING 624,000, WHICH IS A SLIGHT DECLINE FROM 652,000.

IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THESE AVERAGE SALE PRICES REALLY DEPEND ON WHAT UNITS ARE REACHING THE MARKET, SO MIGHT BE UNITS OF A LOWER PRICE POINT ENTERING THE MARKET, AND THEN FACTORS LIKE INTEREST RATE FLUCTUATION.

SO AS PRICE POINTS GO UP TO THAT KIND OF 600,000 RANGE, IF YOUR INTEREST RATES GO UP BY A PERCENT OR TWO, THAT CAN SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGE AFFORDABILITY QUITE QUICKLY FOR HOUSEHOLDS.

WHEN WE LOOK AT CORE HOUSING NEED, CORE HOUSING NEED IS DEFINED AS A HOUSEHOLD EITHER SPENDING MORE THAN 30% OF THEIR NET OR GROSS HOUSEHOLD INCOME ON HOUSING, LIVING IN A UNIT THAT REQUIRES MAJOR REPAIRS, OR LIVING IN A UNIT THAT HAS AN INSUFFICIENT NUMBER OF BEDROOMS FOR THE HOUSEHOLD.

ROUGHLY 1 IN 10 YELLOWKNIFE HOUSEHOLDS ARE IN CORE HOUSING NEED, AND THIS COMPARES PRETTY MUCH EXACTLY TO THE NATIONAL AVERAGE, WHICH IS ABOUT 10%, BUT THEN WHEN WE DIG INTO THE CORE HOUSING NEED DATA, SPECIFICALLY, THE LARGEST DRIVER OF CORE HOUSING NEED IS AFFORDABILITY.

SO MOST HOUSEHOLDS IN CORE HOUSING NEED ARE IN CORE HOUSING NEED BECAUSE THEY'RE SPENDING MORE THAN 30% ON THEIR HOUSING.

ROUGHLY A QUARTER OF THE OTHER HOUSEHOLDS ARE EITHER IN HOUSING THAT REQUIRES MAJOR REPAIRS OR IN HOUSING THAT DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH BEDROOMS, AND SO SOME OF THESE HOUSEHOLDS CAN FALL INTO MORE THAN ONE CATEGORY, BUT WE FIND THAT THE BIGGEST DRIVER AT THIS POINT IN TIME IS AFFORDABILITY.

THEN WHEN WE LOOK AT SPECIFIC HOUSEHOLD TYPES THAT ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE WITHIN CORE HOUSING NEED.

RENTERS ARE MUCH MORE LIKELY TO BE IN CORE HOUSING NEED THAN OWNERS.

HOUSEHOLDS LED BY IMMIGRANTS OR INDIGENOUS PERSONS, ONE PERSON FAMILIES, LONE PARENTS OR SENIOR LED HOUSING HOUSEHOLDS ARE ALSO MORE LIKELY TO BE WITHIN CORE HOUSING NEED. CONSIDERING THE CITY'S UNHOUSED AND VULNERABLE POPULATIONS WE LOOKED AT POINT IN TIME DATA COUNT FROM 2015, 2018 AND 2021.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE VISIBILITY AND I WOULD SAY CONCERN WITH THE CITY'S UNHOUSED AND VULNERABLE POPULATIONS HAS INCREASED OVER TIME.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN COMMUNITIES, PARTICULARLY IN THE AFTERMATH OF THE PANDEMIC.

WE'VE SEEN THINGS LIKE INCREASED USE OF MORE COMPLEX SUBSTANCES AND JUST GREATER NEED AS AFFORDABILITY HAS GONE DOWN, AND SO WITHIN YELLOWKNIFE OVERALL, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS HAS INCREASED SLIGHTLY SINCE 2021, BUT WE'VE ALSO SEEN A NUMBER OF NEW TRANSITIONAL UNITS BE DEVELOPED.

THERE'S ADDITIONAL SHELTER CAPACITIES.

IT'S REALLY COMPLEX BECAUSE MANY INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE VULNERABLE OR UNHOUSED DON'T FEEL SAFE WITHIN SHELTER SYSTEMS, AND THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH THAT A MUNICIPALITY CAN DO IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE THAT THESE SPACES ARE AVAILABLE.

SO IT'S VERY COMPLEX.

THERE'S A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS WITHIN THE CITY THAT ARE WORKING VERY HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT SUPPORTS ARE AVAILABLE, BUT WE RECOGNIZE TOO, THAT COMPLICATING FACTORS SUCH AS SUBSTANCE USE, KNOWING THAT THERE AREN'T NECESSARILY ADEQUATE RESOURCES FOR TREATMENT, AND SUPPORTIVE HOUSING TO HELP INDIVIDUALS SECURE STABLE HOUSING.

WE KNOW THAT THESE ARE CONSTRAINTS AND THEY WILL BE ADDRESSED OVER TIME, THANKS TO THE EFFORTS OF BOTH COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE WORKING IN THIS SPACE.

WE HAVE DEVELOPED A TEN YEAR POPULATION PROJECTIONS BASED ON DATA THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE GOVERNMENT OF THE NORTHWEST TERRITORIES.

ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO SO THIS IS THE MOST RECENT DATA THAT WE HAD TO DEVELOP THESE PROJECTIONS, AND IT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT A NUMBER OF FACTORS SUCH AS HOUSEHOLD

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AND SO IN TERMS OF THE TOTAL NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS, IT'S CLOSE TO 1060 NEW HOUSEHOLDS MIGHT BE CALLING THE CITY HOME IN THE NEXT 210 YEARS. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE TYPES OF HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE PROJECTED TO INCREASE OVER TIME, SIMILAR TO THE TRENDS THAT WE IDENTIFIED BETWEEN 2016 AND 2021. SO COUPLES WITHOUT CHILDREN, ONE PARENT FAMILIES AND NON-CENSUS FAMILIES.

SO THESE COULD BE HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE EITHER LIVING ALONE OR WITH ROOMMATES.

THE GRAPH ILLUSTRATES THAT PROPORTIONALLY EVERY FAMILY, EVERY HOUSEHOLD TYPE IS PROJECTED TO INCREASE OVER TIME, BUT THE TOTAL PERCENT INCREASE FOR EACH OF THOSE DIFFERENT TYPES CHANGES SLIGHTLY, AND SO THEN WHEN WE PROJECT OUT THE POPULATION GROWTH AND HOUSEHOLD TYPES, WE WERE ABLE TO COME UP WITH A ROUGH APPROXIMATION OF THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT MIGHT BE NEEDED, AND SO WE SEE AROUND 193 STUDIO OR ONE BEDROOM UNITS, 263 TWO BEDROOM UNITS, 473 THREE BEDROOM UNITS AND 174 FOUR OR MORE BEDROOM UNITS, AND SO AGAIN, PROPORTIONALLY, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF STUDIO AND ONE BEDROOM AND TWO BEDROOM IT INCREASES MORE SIGNIFICANTLY THAN 3 OR 4 BEDROOM UNITS, BUT THE FORMATION OF HOUSEHOLDS, LIKE COUPLES WITH CHILDREN OR MULTI-GENERATIONAL HOUSEHOLDS, STILL REQUIRES THAT THERE BE A SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THREE AND FOUR BEDROOM UNITS.

IN TERMS OF ENGAGEMENT, WE'VE HELD EIGHT FOCUS GROUP DISCUSSIONS AND THE THIRD WEEK OF SEPTEMBER, WHICH WERE ALL IN PERSON, AND THEN WE DID THREE ADDITIONAL VIRTUAL SESSIONS FOR FOLKS THAT WE COULDN'T CONNECT WITH IN THE FIRST WEEK OF OCTOBER.

WE WORKED WITH CITY STAFF TO BUILD A BASICALLY A STAKEHOLDER LIST OF FOLKS THAT WE THINK SHOULD BE ENGAGED THROUGHOUT THIS WORK, AND WE WANTED TO CAPTURE A WIDE RANGE OF PERSPECTIVES. SO BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS, BUSINESS ASSOCIATIONS AND BUSINESSES, AS WELL AS COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE INVOLVED WITHIN THE HOUSING SPACE, AND SO IN TOTAL, WE WERE ABLE TO MEET WITH 28 REPRESENTATIVES FROM 23 ORGANIZATIONS.

I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE A LIST OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM.

ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE DID ENCOUNTER WAS THAT WE WERE UNABLE TO CONNECT DIRECTLY WITH ANY INDIGENOUS GROUPS OR REPRESENTATIVES, DESPITE OUR EFFORTS TO CONNECT WITH THOSE GROUPS. KNOWING THAT THE CITY HAS A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT INDIGENOUS POPULATION THIS IS A DEFINITE GAP IN THE DATA SET, BECAUSE THE PERSPECTIVES AND EXPERIENCES OF THE CITY'S INDIGENOUS COMMUNITY JUST HAVEN'T BEEN CAPTURED IN TERMS OF KEY FINDINGS.

GENERALLY, PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN YELLOWKNIFE LOVE LIVING IN YELLOWKNIFE.

THERE'S A SENSE OF CONNECTEDNESS, THAT THERE'S A SMALL COMMUNITY FEEL THAT EVERYONE KNOWS EVERYONE FOR BETTER AND FOR WORSE, AND THAT THERE'S A LOT OF APPETITE TO MAKE CHANGE HAPPEN, AND SO THE OVERALL TONE IS THAT PEOPLE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS CITY'S FUTURE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY AS TO WHAT THAT PATH FORWARD LOOKS LIKE, AND SO WE DISCUSSED A LOT THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR HOUSING IN GENERAL.

SO ACROSS THE HOUSING CONTINUUM FROM EMERGENCY AND TRANSITIONAL ALL THE WAY TO HOMES FOR PURCHASE.

LACK OF AVAILABLE DEVELOPABLE LAND WAS IDENTIFIED PRETTY MUCH UBIQUITOUSLY AT THAT TIME.

THERE WERE NO RESIDENTIAL HOUSING LOTS AVAILABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT, AND SO FROM A BUILDER PERSPECTIVE, NOT KNOWING WHERE THEY'RE POTENTIALLY GOING TO BE BUILDING NEXT YEAR MAKES THEM MORE HESITANT TO MAKE INVESTMENTS.

WE'RE GETTING INTO THE THINGS LIKE HIGH COST OF LIVING WHEN IT COMES TO THINGS LIKE MATERIAL COSTS, FUEL COSTS, TRANSPORTATION COSTS.

A LOT OF BUILDERS ARE HAVING A HARD TIME ATTRACTING SKILLED LABOR.

SO WE HEARD MANY STORIES OF DEVELOPERS OR BUILDERS FLYING IN SPECIALIZED TRADES OR PLUMBERS OR WHATEVER, JUST TO COMPLETE CERTAIN HOUSING PROJECTS, AND SO THE I GUESS THE OTHER IMPACT OF THOSE TYPES OF PROJECTS IS THAT IT INCREASES DEMANDS FOR SHORT TERM HOUSING.

HOTEL PRICES GO UP, AVAILABILITY DECREASES, AND SO THROUGH SOME OF OUR CONVERSATIONS, WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT WORK CAMPS SEVERAL TIMES.

THERE WAS A SENSE OF FRUSTRATION THAT THE CITY SEEMINGLY HAS CHANGED ITS POSITION ON WORK CAMPS, EITHER THROUGH NOT ALLOWING THEM OR ALLOWING THEM ON A TEMPORARY SHORT TERM BASIS, AND SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING WITH SOME OF THE LARGER ORGANIZATIONS, LIKE THE GIANT MINE REMEDIATION TEAM, THEY'RE A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT BEING ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE ALL OF THE STAFF THAT THEY'RE PROJECTING FOR THAT PROJECT, AND ARE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT IMPACT THEY MIGHT HAVE ON THE SHORT TERM OR RENTAL MARKET, TRYING TO HOUSE WORKERS AS WELL. THERE'S A RECOGNITION THAT THERE IS SOMEWHAT OF A CONCENTRATED OWNERSHIP GROUP WITHIN THE CITY'S RENTAL MARKET.

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AS THESE UNITS AGE, THEIR CONDITION FALLS INTO DISREPAIR WITHOUT THERE BEING A HIGH VACANCY RATE.

THERE'S A SENSE THAT THERE'S NOT AN INCENTIVE TO REINVEST IN THESE UNITS, AND THEREFORE THEY'LL MAKE MAYBE MAJOR REPAIRS ONLY IF VACANCY RATES GO DOWN, AND BASED ON WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE DATA, VACANCY RATES AREN'T GOING DOWN.

SO IT'S A PRETTY TENUOUS HOUSING SITUATION FOR SOME FOLKS.

AS THE CITY'S POPULATION AGES, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON ACCESSIBILITY AND AGING IN PLACE.

SO MAKING SURE THAT UNITS THAT ARE BEING DEVELOPED ARE OF UNIVERSAL DESIGN.

THERE ARE A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT BUNGALOWS AND RANCHERS FOR INDIVIDUALS LIVING ON ONE LEVEL THAT DON'T NEED TO NAVIGATE STAIRS, AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO THE SENSE THAT RECENT INVESTMENTS IN SUPPORTIVE HOUSING FOR SENIORS, WHILE APPRECIATED, MIGHT BE INSUFFICIENT BASED ON DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGES OVER TIME.

HEARD A LOT ABOUT COMMUNITY SAFETY PERCEPTIONS DECLINING, PARTICULARLY WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN, AND HOW THIS MIGHT CAUSE SOME DEVELOPERS TO LOOK ELSEWHERE IN YELLOWKNIFE FOR DEVELOPMENT IF THEY CAN GET LAND, BUT GENERALLY, THE TONE THAT WE HEARD FROM FOLKS THAT PARTICIPATED WAS ONE OF EMPATHY.

SO UNDERSTANDING THAT THINGS ARE VERY DIFFICULT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE WITHIN THE CITY, AND THAT AFFORDABILITY IS JUST ONE ELEMENT OF SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT PEOPLE ARE DEALING WITH. SO THERE'S A LOT OF EMPATHY AND A LOT OF INTEREST IN WORKING AS PARTNERS WITH OTHER GROUPS TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IN NEED OF HOUSING CAN SECURE, SAFE AND APPROPRIATE HOUSING, AND THEN FINALLY, ONE OF THE LAST KIND OF THEME AREAS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WERE, WHAT WERE THE OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE, AND SO THERE WAS A LOT OF INTEREST IN THINGS LIKE THE OFFICE BUILDING CONVERSION THAT'S HAPPENING AND WANTING TO SEE MORE PROJECTS LIKE THIS.

KNOWING THAT A LOT OF DEVELOPERS FACE HIGH BUILDING COSTS BUILDING MATERIAL COSTS.

THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ON SUPPORTING BULK BUILDING MATERIAL PURCHASES TO TRY TO BRING COSTS DOWN.

AN INTEREST IN SEEING MORE FIRST TIME HOMEBUYER SUPPORTS, WHETHER THAT WOULD BE FROM THE PROVINCE OR TERRITORY, OR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT INTEREST IN SEEING MORE UNIQUE HOUSING FORMS LIKE TINY HOMES.

SO RECOGNITION OF THE NEED TO CONNECT TRANSIT WITH LAND USE TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE CAN GET TO AND FROM WORK DURING TIMES THAT MAKE SENSE FOR THEM, WHICH MIGHT OPEN UP OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY FOR THEM TO LIVE IN.

A DESIRE TO SEE GREATER HOUSING, EDUCATION ON THE PART OF THE CITY TO HELP COMBAT THINGS LIKE NIMBYISM, OR TO HELP DEVELOPERS UNDERSTAND CHANGES TO THE ZONING BYLAW.

UNDERSTANDING THE CITY'S OVERALL DIRECTION FOR DEVELOPMENT, AND THE TYPES OF UNITS THAT THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

THERE WAS ALSO A RECOGNITION THAT WHILE INFILL DEVELOPMENT IS VIEWED AS AN IMPORTANT STEP, A LOT OF THE BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS THAT WE SPOKE TO MENTIONED THAT THERE STILL NEEDS TO BE SOME ELEMENT OF GREENFIELD DEVELOPMENT, SPECIFICALLY TO ADDRESS MARKET GAPS THAT THEY PERCEIVE AS BEING THOSE SINGLE DETACHED HOMES.

AND THEN FINALLY, THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST IN GREATER COLLABORATION, BUT A LOT OF THE GROUPS THAT WE SPOKE TO ARE JUST KIND OF UNSURE WHAT THE FUTURE LOOKS LIKE, BASED ON A LACK OF LAND AVAILABILITY AND JUST THE OVERALL MAGNITUDE OF AFFORDABILITY CHALLENGES.

SO A LOT OF OPTIMISM, BUT A LOT OF I WOULD SAY SLIGHT CONCERN AS WELL.

SO IN TERMS OF THE NEXT STEPS FOR US, WE'RE GOING TO BE CONTINUING TO DEVELOP THE REPORT OVER OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER.

WE'RE HOPING TO COMPLETE THE ENTIRE PROJECT BY THE END OF 2024, WITH HOPES OF LEAVING THE CITY AND STAFF WELL PREPARED TO START EXPLORING HOUSING SOLUTIONS, AND THEN ONE OF THE OTHER AVENUES OF ENGAGEMENT THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING IS LAUNCHING A FULL PUBLIC SURVEY.

SO A LOT OF THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT WE ENGAGED WITH MENTIONED THAT THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT OF DATA THAT COULD BE COLLECTED THROUGH A SURVEY THAT WE OTHERWISE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET ACCESS TO, AND SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CITY STAFF TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S A FEASIBLE PATH FORWARD.

SO THANKS. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

THANK YOU, AND I KNOW THIS IS A BIT OF A TEASER, AND THE FULL REPORT IS PROBABLY HUNDREDS OF PAGES, SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO READ IT IN MORE DETAIL.

AND I'M SURE SOME OF OUR QUESTIONS TODAY MAY BE ANSWERED THERE, BUT IN THE MEANTIME I'LL OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS.

COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN. THANKS, MAYOR ALTY.

THANKS FOR THAT AS WELL.

I DON'T THINK ANYTHING THERE IS NECESSARILY A SHOCK TO ANY OF US, BUT TO ACTUALLY HAVE SOME INITIAL DATA TO BACK UP THOSE FEELINGS IS GOOD, AND THE FACT THAT YOU ACKNOWLEDGED SORT OF THE GAPS AROUND CMHC AND VACANCY RATES GIVES ME CONFIDENCE THAT THE OTHER DATA IS ACCURATE WHERE IT CAN BE, BECAUSE YOU RECOGNIZE THAT.

SO JUST IN TERMS OF A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

SO NOT THAT IT CHANGES THE GUTS OF THE ASSESSMENT, BUT DOES THE 193 STUDIO AND ONE BEDROOM UNITS THAT YOU IDENTIFIED SO FAR, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE OFFICE CONVERSION THAT'S GOING ON DOWNTOWN? LIKE IS THAT 193 IN ADDITION TO THOSE 70, OR IS THAT 193 INCLUDING THOSE 70.

THAT WOULD BE EXCLUDING.

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PERFECT. LIKE I SAID, IT DOESN'T CHANGE IT REALLY TO ME, THE GUTS OF IT THE FIGURES ARE STILL THERE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I GOT THAT.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT COUPLES WITHOUT CHILDREN, ME BEING ONE OF THEM.

DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY OF THOSE WOULD BE THOSE 65 PLUS COUPLES THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT? YOU KNOW, HAS THAT POPULATION DOUBLED OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS? HOW MUCH OF THAT, YOU KNOW, IS IS THAT POPULATION BASED? YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

I DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFIC NUMBERS WITH ME AT THE MOMENT, BUT THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY WITHIN THE REPORT.

WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER COMMUNITIES AS POPULATIONS AGE SO IT MIGHT BE A 65 PLUS AGE COUPLE.

ONCE WE SEE POPULATIONS KIND OF GET INTO THAT, THAT 75 TO 80 RANGE WOMEN FOR MANY REASONS LIVE LONGER THAN MEN, AND SO WHAT WE SEE IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF FEMALE LED HOUSEHOLDS, PARTICULARLY ABOVE THE AGE OF 80, AND SO IF YOU'RE DEALING WITH PRIMARY HOUSEHOLD MAINTAINERS THAT ARE FEMALES IN THEIR 80S, THERE'S ADDITIONAL SUPPORTS THAT MIGHT BE NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN STAY IN THEIR HOMES OVER THE LONG TERM.

PERFECT. THANKS. YEAH, AND I ASKED THAT SPECIFICALLY.

I MEAN, THAT'S AN INTERESTING DYNAMIC THAT YOU ADD AT THE END, BUT I ASKED THAT SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE WE, AS WE ALL KNOW, THERE'S THAT $2,000 PROPERTY TAX RELIEF THAT CAN GO TO SENIORS OVER 65.

SO IT BECOMES A, YOU KNOW, AS THAT POPULATION BASE GETS LARGER TO ME, I JUST SEE OUR TAX BASE GETTING SMALLER IN MANY WAYS, EVEN THOUGH THE NUMBER OF HOUSES ISN'T CHANGING DRASTICALLY. THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE FOR NOW IS UNDER THE KEY ENGAGEMENT FINDINGS, YOU KNOW, COLLABORATION, GREATER COLLABORATION IS NEEDED.

HEARING THAT ALWAYS TERRIFIES ME A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I KIND OF GO, WHAT DOES THAT REALLY MEAN? SO I GUESS FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, AS YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT THIS OR LISTENING, ARE THERE TANGIBLE EXAMPLES OF, LIKE WHO COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE CITY AND WHOM AND SORT OF WHAT WOULD THOSE OUTCOMES HOPEFULLY BE THROUGH THAT COLLABORATION AS OPPOSED TO JUST A GOOD TALK FEST? YEAH, I THINK PARTICIPANTS ARE QUITE REASONABLE IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY EXPECT FROM THE CITY.

THEY KNOW THAT THE CITY CAN'T DO EVERYTHING WITHIN THE SPACE.

YOU'RE DEALING WITH A LOT OF COMPLEX FACTORS, BUT THE BIG THING THAT FOLKS ARE LOOKING FOR IS JUST TRANSPARENCY IN DEVELOPMENT PROCESSES.

WHETHER THAT WOULD BE ANTICIPATED TIMELINES OR IN DEALING WITH THINGS LIKE REZONINGS.

JUST AN UNDERSTANDING THAT AN APPLICATION TO REZONE WOULD POTENTIALLY BE SUPPORTED AND WHAT THE TIMELINES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT WOULD BE, AND THEN ULTIMATELY JUST GREATER PREDICTABILITY OF FUTURE LAND AREAS FOR DEVELOPMENT.

SO WITHOUT AN INVENTORY OR A CLEAR KIND OF SENSE OF WHERE THE CITY CAN GROW, A LOT OF FOLKS ARE FEELING UNCERTAIN IN TERMS OF WHAT THEIR THEIR LONG TERM PLANS WOULD BE AS AN ORGANIZATION. PERFECT.

THANK YOU. VERY HELPFUL.

THANKS. THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND THANKS FOR COMING AND FOR ALL THE WORK.

AGREED IT WOULD BE GREAT TO BE ABLE TO TEST INCOME TEST THAT SENIORS TAX GRANT.

IN TERMS OF QUESTIONS, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHY HOUSING CONSTRUCTION WAS RELATIVELY HIGH BETWEEN 2012 AND 2017.

I CAN'T SAY WITH CERTAINTY, BUT I THINK THAT WAS AROUND THE SAME TIME THAT THERE WERE SOME SUBDIVISIONS THAT WENT IN WITHIN THE CITY.

RIGHT ON. THANK YOU, AND SO TALKED ABOUT A GROWING SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION BEING COUPLES WITHOUT CHILDREN, SENIORS, ONE PARENT FAMILIES, BUT ALSO THAT THE GREATEST NEED FOR HOUSING UNITS WILL BE THREE FOUR BEDROOMS AND MORE.

IS THAT NEED FOR THE BIGGER UNITS COMING FROM JUST A LACK OF SUPPLY, OR HOW DOES IT SORT OF MESH WITH IT LOOKING LIKE THE GROWING SEGMENTS OF THE POPULATION ARE PEOPLE THAT WOULD NEED FEWER UNITS? YEAH, THE BIG CHANGE IS IT'S ALL ABOUT PROPORTION OF HOUSEHOLD FORMATION.

SO WE SEE THAT THE PROPORTION OF COUPLES WITHOUT CHILDREN, ONE PARENT FAMILIES AND NON-CENSUS FAMILIES WILL GO UP, BUT IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL SIZE OF WHAT THAT COHORT IS, IT'LL STILL BE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS THAT HAVE CHILDREN OR REQUIRE ADDITIONAL BEDROOMS. SO ANOTHER CONSIDERATION TO KEEP IN MIND, TOO, IS THAT A LOT OF ONE PARENT HOUSEHOLDS HAVE MORE THAN ONE CHILD, AND SO THERE MIGHT ALSO BE SOME DEMAND GENERATED FOR LARGER UNITS AS A RESULT OF THAT AS WELL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR WARBURTON. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND SIMILAR TO MY COLLEAGUES I'M REALLY EXCITED TO HEAR THAT THERE'S SOME CAUTION WITH THE DATA WITH RENTAL AND VACANCY RATES, BECAUSE FROM OUR EXPERIENCE, THOSE ARE RENTS ARE WAY HIGHER AND VACANCY IS CLOSER TO ZERO.

SO YOU MENTIONED NEEDED AN EXTRA JUST UNDER 1100 UNITS.

DOES THAT ACCOUNT FOR KIND OF OBSOLESCENCE.

SO LIKE UNITS THAT FALL OFF THE MARKET OR GET REPLACED OR IS THAT JUST COMPLETELY OR IS THAT WRAPPED INTO THAT NUMBER? THIS WOULD BE OVER AND ABOVE THE CITY'S CURRENT HOUSING STOCK.

SO IF UNITS WERE TO BE LOST FROM THE HOUSING STOCK, THEN THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A CORRESPONDING NUMBER OF ADDITIONAL UNITS DEVELOPED TO MEET THAT PROJECTED NEED.

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THE ENGAGEMENT DATA HELPS TO ADD THAT TEXTURE NEEDED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE LEVEL OF NEED IS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, AND SO THIS WOULD DIRECTLY INFORM A HOUSING STRATEGY BY IDENTIFYING WHAT ARE THE POTENTIAL GAPS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE NEXT 5 TO 10 YEARS.

SO IT GIVES YOU THAT BASELINE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CHALLENGE IS AND WHAT POTENTIAL STRATEGIES ARE ACTUALLY AVAILABLE TO YOU, AND I'LL ASK IF MR. VAN DINE IF ADMIN WOULD LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING ON THAT ONE.

THE QUESTION THAT I'D LIKE TO ACTUALLY PIVOT TO IS ON THE PARTNERSHIP GAP SIDE AND THE CONSULTATION, IF YOU MAY, AND WITH THE KNOWN POPULATION INCREASE OR PROJECTED POPULATION INCREASE IN YELLOWKNIFE BEING WHAT IT WAS DOCUMENTED AT THE BEGINNING OF INCREASING BY FOUR POINTS.

OVER THE TEN YEAR PERIOD WE PROJECT THAT IT WILL INCREASE BY 9.6.

NO, I MEANT AT THE START OF THE PRESENTATION.

SO THE TERRITORIAL POPULATION HAS DECREASED AND THE CITY'S POPULATION HAS INCREASED, AND ONE CAN TAKE FROM THAT A LOT OF THAT INCREASE IS ATTRIBUTABLE TO REGIONAL COMMUNITY, REGIONAL MIGRATION INTO THE TERRITORY, WHICH BY AND LARGE WOULD REFLECT A LARGE INDIGENOUS INCREASE, WHICH MEANS THAT THE GAP THAT YOU'VE IDENTIFIED AROUND ENGAGEMENT WITH INDIGENOUS PARTNERS, WITH RESPECT TO WHAT THAT MIGHT MEAN, DOES GIVE ME SOME REASON TO PAUSE, AND WOULD BE LOOKING FOR SOME ADVICE ON HOW WE MAY WANT TO ROUND OUT THAT GAP. JUST ANECDOTAL CONVERSATIONS SUGGEST THAT A REGIONAL INDIGENOUS ORGANIZATIONS WITH SETTLED LAND CLAIMS ARE INTERESTED IN MAKING SURE THAT THEIR BENEFICIARIES, IF THEY RESIDE IN YELLOWKNIFE, MAY BE PREPARED TO HELP INVEST IN ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION OF HOUSING UNITS.

THAT CONVERSATION IS AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION, BUT THERE ISN'T A TABLE SET YET FOR THAT CONVERSATION.

SO YOUR INFORMATION IS TELLING IN THAT REGARD, AND SO I WOULD BE WANTING TO, AS WE GET TO THE FINALIZED REPORT, BE WANTING TO GIVE SOME CONSIDERATION THAT'S AN OBSERVATION.

MADAM CHAIR IN TERMS OF AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION AND I DO UNDERSTAND THE EMPIRICAL BASIS WITH WHICH THE BUREAU OF STATISTICS GIVES YOU WHAT THEY GIVE YOU, BUT YELLOWKNIFE, OVER MANY DECADES, HAS INCREASED POPULATION INCREASES OVER AND ABOVE THE EXPECTED OR PROJECTED NUMBER.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOUR CONVERSATIONS LED YOU TO BELIEVE THAT THE PROJECTIONS OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS ARE THINGS THAT YOU CAN GO TO THE BANK ON, OR WHETHER THERE COULD BE SOME OTHER VARIABLES WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING IN OUR PLANNING ASSUMPTIONS.

THANK YOU. BASED ON MY PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE, I HAVE NEVER ENCOUNTERED A POPULATION PROJECTION THAT GETS IT RIGHT, AND SO THE TIMELINE FOR THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT IS TEN YEARS, AND THAT'S BASED ON WHAT CMHC IS LOOKING FOR THROUGH THE HOUSING ACCELERATOR FUNDING, BUT GENERALLY PROJECTIONS OVER LONGER THAN A FIVE YEAR PERIOD KIND OF GET FUZZY BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABLES THAT CAN CHANGE.

INTEREST RATES COULD BOTTOM OUT, YOU COULD GET NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES IN AND BRINGS, YOU KNOW, 10,000 NEW UNITS TO MARKET, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERYBODY REALIZES THAT, HEY, I CAN AFFORD TO LIVE IN YELLOWKNIFE.

THOSE THINGS CAN CHANGE VERY, VERY QUICKLY, AND SO THIS IS THE BEST PROJECTION BASED ON KNOWN PATTERNS AND TRENDS THAT WE'VE SEEN OVER TIME. SO FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, IT GIVES YOU A LONGER TERM TIME HORIZON, BUT FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE PERSPECTIVE, YOU HAVE TO KEEP ON COLLECTING DATA AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S HAPPENING FROM A DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE, AND WORKING WITH THE TERRITORY TO UNDERSTAND WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM, AND I FEEL THAT YELLOWKNIFE IS ALSO IN A UNIQUE SITUATION, THAT HOUSING IS SUCH A CONSTRAINT THAT IT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE SOMETHING THAT'S LIMITING POPULATION GROWTH.

SO IF SUPPLY WERE TO COME ONLINE, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT POPULATION GROWTH COULD GREATLY EXCEED WHAT'S PROJECTED.

YEAH. WHAT I APPRECIATE WITH YOUR DATA ISN'T IT'S JUST A NUMBER, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS IN ZONING BYLAWS THAT IT'S LIKE WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE HOUSING.

OUR POPULATION HASN'T GROWN THAT MUCH, BUT WHEN YOU ACTUALLY START TO BREAK IT DOWN EVEN FURTHER INTO DEMOGRAPHICS, THE MAKEUP OF HOUSEHOLDS.

YOU ACTUALLY NEED MORE HOUSEHOLDS FOR THE SAME AMOUNT OF PEOPLE.

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I ALSO AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES THAT AMENDING PATA IS A PRIORITY TO BE ABLE TO MEANS TEST THAT ABATEMENT.

SO HOPEFULLY WITHIN THE 20TH ASSEMBLY THAT CAN BE ON THE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA.

MY ONE REAL QUESTION.

I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS, THOUGH I THINK IT MIGHT BE PART OF THE LARGER REPORT.

DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHEN PEOPLE ARE MOVING TO YELLOWKNIFE? ARE THEY PRIMARILY BECOMING OR TRANSITIONING AS RENTERS, OR ARE THEY TRANSITIONING AS HOMEOWNERS? YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE THAT IN OUR REPORT, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK TO ADD IT.

SO THE WAY THAT STATS CAN MEASURES IS WHETHER SOMEBODY HAS MOVED WITHIN A ONE OR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD.

AND SO PEOPLE THAT TEND TO MOVE WITHIN A FIVE YEAR PERIOD.

IT'S TYPICALLY THEY'RE MOVING FROM WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, BUT PEOPLE MOVING WITHIN A ONE YEAR PERIOD, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ACCESS SOME DATA ON TENURE OF THOSE HOUSEHOLDS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, AND I SAW EMILY JOTTING DOWN YOUR POWERPOINT SO.

COUNCILLOR MCGURK, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.

YEAH, OBVIOUSLY, I THINK WE'RE ALL VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS REPORT.

I'M WONDERING IF YOU'RE ABLE TO CAPTURE I GUESS MIXED LIKE, LIKE RESIDENTIAL, LIKE RENTERS, I GUESS, LIKE MULTIPLE RENTERS.

I KNOW THAT YOU IN THIS IN THIS PRESENTATION YOU MENTIONED LIKE NUMBER OF BEDROOM UNITS, AND I KNOW THAT CAN BE COMPLICATED BECAUSE LIKE, THE UNIT AND POPULATION ARE IT'LL MUDDY THAT NUMBER, THOSE NUMBERS, BUT I'M WONDERING IF YOU WERE COLLECTING ANY DATA ABOUT THAT IN PARTICULAR, LIKE PEOPLE RENTING ROOMS. YEAH THOSE WOULD FALL UNDER THE NON-CENSUS FAMILY TYPE.

SO IN THE PROJECTIONS THERE IS THAT ELEMENT OF IT, BUT ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE HEARD THROUGH ENGAGEMENT WAS THIS RISK OF OVERCROWDING OR THE SENSE THAT OVERCROWDING IS HAPPENING WHERE THERE'LL BE MULTIPLE HOUSEHOLDS LIVING IN ONE HOUSING UNIT, MAYBE JUST NOT IN THE SAME BEDROOM.

SO ONE OF THE DATA GAPS THAT WE WERE THINKING THAT THE PUBLIC SURVEY WOULD HELP US TO FILL IS JUST BY ASKING RENTERS, DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE ENOUGH SPACE OR ARE THERE, IS THERE AN ADEQUATE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS? OR DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE OVERCROWDED? IF YOU LIVE WITH A ROOMMATE, DO YOU WANT TO KEEP LIVING WITH A ROOMMATE? ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF QUESTIONS THAT HELP PAINT A PICTURE OF WHAT DEMAND MIGHT BE IN THE FUTURE.

COOL. THANK YOU. I THINK IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO SUPPLEMENT THEIR THE COST OF LIVING BY RENTING, AND I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO KNOW IF THERE WAS A LIKE AN INCREASE IN OR A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF RENTERS THAT ARE RENTING SINGLE ROOMS OVER RENTING UNITS. I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, WHICH IS, I GUESS, CAN YOU SORT OF LIKE, EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT HOW THE POPULATION GROWTH FOR 2035 WAS OR PREDICTED, OR LIKE WHAT SORT OF WHAT DID YOU USE TO GET THAT NUMBER? BECAUSE IT SEEMS HIGH TO ME.

[LAUGHTER] YEAH.

SO THE MODEL IS BASED ON A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT FACTORS.

SO HOUSEHOLD FORMATIONS BIRTHS AND DEATH RATES AND THEN ALSO DRAWS UPON SOME OF THE PERCENTAGES THAT WERE PROVIDED TO US BY THE TERRITORIAL GOVERNMENT.

THE EXACT METHODOLOGY, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK INTO IT FOR YOU, BUT IT'LL BE PRESENTED WITHIN THE REPORT IN A FULSOME MANNER.

SO THERE'S MULTIPLE VARIABLES THAT HAVE GONE INTO IT TO ADJUST FOR SOME OF THOSE DYNAMICS OVER TIME.

COOL. THANK YOU. YEAH.

I'D JUST NOTE THAT MY ENCLOSURES AND THINGS LIKE THAT ARE PROBABLY THE BIGGEST I'M CURIOUS IF THAT HAS BEEN REFLECTED IN THOSE NUMBERS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR FEQUET. THANKS, MADAM CHAIR.

JUST TWO QUESTIONS. THE FIRST ONE BUILDING OFF OF ACTUALLY COUNCILLOR MCGURK, AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW TODAY, THAT'S OKAY FOR THOSE PROJECTIONS, AND SIMILAR TO THE CITY MANAGER'S COMMENTS, I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT OUTMIGRATION RATE FROM THE COMMUNITIES WAS USED IN THAT PROJECTION, BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT'S A REALITY, AND I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT HOW CONSERVATIVE OR NOT THAT ASSUMPTION WAS JUST SO WE CAN KIND OF REALITY TEST THAT.

YEAH, I CAN DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THAT.

SURE, AND THEN WITH RESPECT TO THE NEXT STEPS, YOU MENTIONED THE SURVEY AND ACKNOWLEDGING ABSOLUTELY THAT THE GAP OF SOME OF THE DEMOGRAPHICS MIGHT BE BIGGER CONSIDERING THE MOVEMENT FROM COMMUNITIES.

WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE SURVEY WITH RESPECT TO ITS TIMING? AND I'M ASKING JUST BECAUSE IT'S OCTOBER AND I UNDERSTAND WE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE A FORMAL HOUSING STRATEGY AT SOME POINT, BUT TRUTHFULLY, OUR HOUSING STRATEGY IS IN PROGRESS RIGHT NOW AS WE CONSIDER DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE BYLAWS.

SO JUST CURIOUS IF YOU COULD ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT THAT PURPOSE WOULD BE AND HOW THAT TIMING WOULD FIT IN, AND MAYBE THAT'S MAYBE A MORE OF ADMIN QUESTION OF HOW THOSE

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IF IT'S NOT IF WE'RE NOT ALREADY DONE ALL OF THOSE WONDERFUL THINGS WE'RE WORKING ON IN THE NEXT MONTH.

I GUESS MAYBE START WITH YOU AND THEN TO ADMINISTRATION, BECAUSE I KNOW IN SOME REPORTS THEY DO ALL THE DESKTOP WORK AND THEN DO THAT SURVEY AT THE END TO FIND THE GAP OR TO TRY TO FILL THOSE GAPS.

AND SO I WONDER IF THAT'S PART OF THE ENGAGEMENT METHODOLOGY, IF YOU'D BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT, AND THEN WE'LL SPEAK TO HOW WE USE THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT FINAL REPORT, ALONG WITH ALL THE REGULAR CITY BUSINESS WE'RE DOING.

YEAH. IN TERMS OF THE TYPES OF QUESTIONS THAT WOULD BE ASKED THROUGH THAT SURVEY.

IT WOULD BE ASKING THINGS LIKE, HOW MUCH DO YOU SPEND ON RENT PER MONTH? HOW MUCH ARE YOUR UTILITIES PER MONTH? THESE ARE THESE ARE DATA POINTS THAT FROM THE CENSUS WE'RE LOOKING AT 2021 DATA, AND SO WE'RE YOU KNOW GOING ON FOUR YEARS LATER WE KNOW THAT A LOT HAS CHANGED.

SO AS FAR AS A SNAPSHOT OF THE CURRENT LEVEL OF HOUSING NEED WITHIN YELLOWKNIFE, I DON'T THINK YOU COULD DO MUCH BETTER THAN A HOUSEHOLD SURVEY IN TERMS OF THE TIMING OF IT. WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER AS A DRAFT FOR ADMINISTRATION'S CONSIDERATION ON.

ARE THESE THE TYPES OF QUESTIONS THAT WE SHOULD BE ASKING? IS IT GETTING US THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED IN TERMS OF THE VALUE OF THE DATA YOU WOULD POTENTIALLY HAVE, DEPENDING ON RESPONSE RATE, A STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT SAMPLE THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO SAY, OKAY, WE KNOW 30% OF HOUSEHOLDS SURVEYED ARE SPENDING MORE THAN $1,000 A MONTH IN THE WINTER ON HEATING.

SO THEN YOU KNOW ROUGHLY WHAT THAT LEVEL OF NEED IS ASSOCIATED IN TERMS OF HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT BOTH THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND THE STRATEGY.

IN TERMS OF THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT, A LOT OF THE DATA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS BACKWARDS FACING, SO IT'S ALREADY OUTDATED.

THIS WOULD HELP ADD IN ADDITIONAL RICHNESS ON WHAT THE LEVEL OF NEED IS CURRENTLY, AND THEN FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, IF WE WERE TO ASK HOUSEHOLDS, HEY, DO YOU SEE YOURSELF MOVING WITHIN THE NEXT THREE YEARS? IF SO, WHAT TYPE OF HOUSING UNIT WOULD YOU BE LOOKING FOR? SO WE CAN SAY BASED ON OUR PROJECTIONS THAT, OH, YOU NEED 470 SOME THREE BEDROOM UNITS, BUT IF WE HEAR FROM, YOU KNOW, A THOUSAND HOUSEHOLDS IN YELLOWKNIFE SAYING, OH, WE ONLY WANT FIVE PLUS BEDROOMS, THEN WE KNOW THAT THERE'S DISSONANCE BETWEEN WHAT THE DATA TELLS US AND WHAT THE ACTUAL LEVEL OF DEMAND IS.

SO FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, IT GIVES YOU A BETTER SENSE OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY WANTING, AS WELL AS WHAT THEY'RE INTENDING TO DO OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS IN TERMS OF LOOKING FOR HOUSING.

THANK YOU. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MISS WHITE IN A MOMENT, BUT I JUST WANT TO UNDERSCORE A COUPLE OF THE MACRO LEVEL KINDS OF OBSERVATIONS THAT THIS REVEALS, AND COMBINED WITH SOME OTHER INFORMATION COUNCIL HAS RECEIVED RELATIVELY RECENTLY WITH RESPECT TO THE FACT THAT WE DO HAVE A PENT UP DEMAND RIGHT NOW FOR A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF HOUSING REQUIREMENTS, THAT IS SORT OF WELL UNDERSTOOD.

AND I THINK WE WOULD DO WELL TO GET ORGANIZED, AND I BELIEVE WE ARE GETTING ORGANIZED AROUND MEETING THAT DEMAND.

SECONDLY ONE OF THE POINTS THAT WAS RAISED IN THE SURVEY WAS WITH RESPECT TO THE FACT THAT ABOUT AVAILABLE WORKERS TO ACTUALLY DO THE CONSTRUCTION AND SERVICES AND TRADES WITH RESPECT TO THAT, THAT IS ALSO MULTIPLIED ACROSS OTHER PROFESSIONS WITH RESPECT TO HEALTH CARE AND OTHER SECTORS OF THE ECONOMY IN WHICH TEMPORARY WORKERS ARE BEING BROUGHT INTO THE TERRITORY ON A SHORT TERM BASIS ACROSS THE ECONOMY.

IF YELLOWKNIFE WAS IN A POSITION TO OFFER MORE AVAILABLE HOUSING UNITS WE'VE RECEIVED SOME INDICATIONS THAT OUTWARD OR LABOR FORCE THAT'S TEMPORARY IN NATURE, AND LIVING OUTSIDE OF THE TERRITORY FOR A MAJORITY OF THE TIME IS NOT INSIGNIFICANT.

SO IF WE WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE A HOUSING QUALITY OF LIFE AND A PLACE FOR THOSE WORKERS TO LIVE, AND ALSO TO ENCOURAGE POTENTIALLY NORTHERN RESIDENTS TO TRAIN AND TO LIVE AND TO INVEST IN YELLOWKNIFE AS AN AREA TO MAKE OUR ECONOMY MORE DIVERSIFIED THAT TO LEADS TO DEMAND FOR MORE, MORE, MORE HOUSING.

SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF FACTORS THAT I THINK THIS INFORMATION IS TIMELY, AND I THINK THE SURVEY AND ITS LIMITATIONS ARE THERE, BUT THERE IS OTHER PIECES OF INFORMATION TO DRAW UPON TO HELP US FORMULATE OUR PLANS.

AND NOW I'LL JUST TURN IT OVER TO MADAM WHITE FOR A SECOND TO ROUND OUT.

GREAT. THANK YOU.

TO TOUCH ON THE FINAL REPORT THAT'S COMING, AND THE IDEA OF DOING THIS HOUSING SURVEY.

WE THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA TO SUPPLEMENT THIS.

IT WOULD INFORM NOT ONLY THE HOUSING SPECTRUM, IT ALSO INFORMS THINGS LIKE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, AS WELL AS ALL OF THE OTHER SERVICES THAT THE CITY PROVIDES TO THE RESIDENTS.

RIGHT. SO IT IT COMES KIND OF FULL CIRCLE.

THEN BACK TO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE, AND AS JAKE HAS POINTED OUT, WHILE IT'S A TEN YEAR PROJECTION, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD LOOK TO REVIEW

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SO IT'S GREAT THAT THIS WOULD BE DONE IN THE YEAR AHEAD OF THE START OF THAT FIVE YEAR CYCLE, AND IT WOULD CONTINUE FORWARD.

SO WHEN THIS COMES DUE, THEN WE WOULD UPDATE OUR COMMUNITY PLAN POLICIES AGAIN, AND THE OBJECTIVE BEING TO HAVE NOT JUST A HOUSING STRATEGY BUT POLICY AND DIRECTION IN THESE DOCUMENTS, WHICH TIES TOGETHER ALL OF THESE SERVICES AND INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THE CITY PROVIDES TO OUR RESIDENTS, AND THE OTHER REALLY NICE THING IS THIS HELPS SUPPORT US IN OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE GNWT WHEN WE ARE HAVING THAT, WE NEED LAND CONVERSATION.

SO HERE IS ANOTHER JUSTIFICATION.

AND IT'S YOU KNOW, YES, THERE MAY BE SOME, YOU KNOW, BITS AND PIECES OF THE DATA THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE TOTALLY RELIABLE, BUT IT REALLY SUPPORTS OUR ARGUMENT AND OUR POINT THAT MORE LAND IS IS REQUIRED FOR THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE.

SO THERE'S REALLY A LOT OF PIECES THAT KIND OF COME TOGETHER WITH THE STUDY.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU ALL. SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF VALUE IN THAT.

SO THAT'S AWESOME. THANKS.

THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR PAYNE.

THANK YOU.

YEAH. NO SURPRISE ABOUT ANYTHING THAT YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT TODAY.

I THINK THAT THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE NOW, I MEAN, WE'VE, I'VE THIS IS MY THIRD TERM ON COUNCIL, AND EVERY TERM WE TALK ABOUT HOW WE NEED MORE LAND HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO DIFFERENT THINGS TO GET MORE LAND, AND I THINK THAT YOU KNOW, FOR LACK OF A BETTER PHRASE, AND I'M ALWAYS ONE TO GIVE OUT DIFFERENT PHRASES, BUT I REALLY FEEL THAT WE'VE [EXPLETIVE] THE BED ON GETTING LAND TO MARKET.

WE'VE AND I DO HAVE A QUESTION IN HERE, BUT I'M GOING TO RANT A LITTLE BIT FIRST.

SO I THINK THAT ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING WITHIN THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE WHEN IT COMES TO HOMELESSNESS, WHEN IT COMES TO AFFORDABILITY, EVERYTHING. IF WE LOOK AT THE CORE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE, IT'S HOUSING, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S A SURPRISE WITH ANY OTHER CITY IN CANADA.

LIKE HOUSING, IS IT IF WE TAKE CARE OF HOUSING, THEN EVERYTHING ELSE WON'T REALLY FALL INTO PLACE.

BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT BETTER TO GET THINGS WORKING, AND I THINK COUNCIL AND PREVIOUS COUNCILS, WE OWN A LOT OF THIS FAULT, AND ADMINISTRATION OWNS A LOT OF THIS FAULT LIKE WE'VE HAD.

WE HAVEN'T REALLY LOOKED AT MANY OUTSIDE THE BOX SOLUTIONS FOR THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE HAVING, AND HOPEFULLY NOW WE GOT SOME MONEY FROM THE FEDS.

FINALLY THERE'S MONEY THAT'S GOING TO BE FOR SOMETHING GOOD, AND WE CAN USE IT IN A WAY THAT WE CAN START GETTING SOME MUCH NEEDED HOUSING AND DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT FORMS OF HOUSING.

EVERYTHING IS NOT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOUR THREE BEDROOM HOUSE WITH A PICKET FENCE.

LIKE IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THAT.

WE WE'VE SEEN THE DIFFERENCES IN DIFFERENT HOUSINGS THAT WE NEED UP HERE, AND I'M REALLY HAPPY TO SEE IT.

WE FALL INTO SOMETIMES LIKE WHATEVER IS ON TREND LIKE, YOU KNOW, INCREASED DENSIFICATION IN THE DOWNTOWN CORE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S A GREAT THING, BUT IT'S NOT THE ONLY THING.

RIGHT. LIKE AND I THINK THAT IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE DEVELOPERS THAT WE HAVE UP HERE THAT LOOKED AT THE LITTLE PIECES OF LAND THAT WE HAVE AND WE HAVE NOT VERY MANY, I JUST WENT ONLINE AND LOOKED AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY FOR SALE RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

THE LAST FOUR SITES OR FOUR LOTS WE GAVE AWAY FOR HABITAT FOR HUMANITY.

YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT THE BEST TIME TO GIVE LAND AWAY.

YOU KNOW, NOT MOST OF OUR HOUSING, OUR LAND INVENTORY, ANYWAY, BUT WE NEED TO GET THIS PROPERTY OUT, INCREASE DENSIFICATION LIKE WE'VE DONE WELL, I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY CLOSE TO 200 UNITS THAT ARE EITHER ON THE MARKET NOW OR ABOUT TO GO ON THE MARKET RENTALS, AND OBVIOUSLY 44% OF OUR HOUSING STOCK IS A RENTAL SITUATION HERE IN TOWN.

SO RENTALS ARE HIGH, AND I THINK THAT WHEN IT COMES TO THE, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE LEAVING THE COMMUNITIES AND MOVING INTO THE URBAN CENTERS, AND THAT'S HAPPENING ALL ACROSS CANADA, IT'S NOT HAPPENING AS AS MUCH FOR US AS WHAT IT IS IN THE REST OF CANADA.

THE NUMBERS ARE QUITE A BIT HIGHER IN THE REST OF CANADA.

EVERYBODY WANTS TO MOVE TO THE BIGGER CENTERS AND TO GET MORE SERVICES AND MORE AMENITIES, AND THAT'S FAIR.

I GREW UP IN A SMALL TOWN, AND AS QUICK AS I COULD TO GET INTO A BIG CITY, I WENT AND WE DESTROYED THE PLACES, YOUNG PEOPLE, AND I

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I GET IT, I GET IT.

DO YOU SEE THE FOCUS ON INCREASED DENSIFICATION AND THIS IS WHAT YOU DO FOR A LIVING? DO YOU SEE THAT FOCUS JUST ON THAT ACTUALLY AFFECTS EVERYTHING ELSE WHEN IT COMES TO GREENFIELD DEVELOPMENT? WHEN IT COMES TO YOU KNOW, SMALLER SUBDIVISIONS, SMALLER INFILL LOTS.

LIKE IS IT? I MEAN, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A CATCH 22 IN A WAY.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE PUTTING SO MUCH FOCUS ON THIS, BUT WE'RE NOT REALLY PUTTING A WHOLE LOT OF FOCUS ON THIS PART OVER HERE, AND IF WE WERE TO HAVE MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, A SPREAD OUT VIEW OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THINGS, WOULD WE BE AS BEHIND NOW AS WHAT WE ARE, IF WE HAD LOOKED AT THAT AS AN OVERALL ARCHING IDEA? CAN I DO THE NO COMMENT THING? [LAUGHTER] NO. I THINK REALLY COMING COMING TO YELLOWKNIFE, HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP HERE, WHAT'S APPARENT TO ME IS THAT THERE IS THIS SPIRIT OF INGENUITY AND INNOVATION THAT THINGS ARE DIFFICULT BASED ON GEOGRAPHY, BASED ON HISTORY, ALL OF THESE THINGS, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE THAT ARE HERE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO FIND SOLUTIONS.

SO WE DID A DRIVING TOUR OF THE COMMUNITY AND ALL OF THE NARROW, BEDROCK, PIE SHAPED LOTS THAT WE IDENTIFIED, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HEARING THAT, OH, A DEVELOPER IS LIKE, YEAH, I'M GOING TO DO SOME SCREW PILES, AND THEN I'M GOING TO BLAST SOME OF IT AND WE'LL GET SOMETHING IN THERE LIKE THAT SPIRIT IS THERE, AND I THINK AS A COMMUNITY, YOU HAVE TO BE REALISTIC THAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT CONSTRAINTS, AND SO YOU'RE YOU'RE DEALING WITH REMEDIATION PROJECTS, YOU'RE DEALING WITH LAND SETTLEMENT. YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, INTERESTING GEOGRAPHY TO DEAL WITH AS FAR AS DEVELOPMENT, AND SO REALLY THE APPROACH HAS TO BE BALANCED AND KIND OF AN ALL HANDS ON DECK APPROACH, BUT AS A MUNICIPALITY, IF YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU HAVE THE MOST CONTROL OVER, IT'S THE LAND YOU ALREADY HAVE WITHIN YOUR JURISDICTION, AND SO GOING AROUND THE DOWNTOWN AND EVEN WITHIN THE KIND OF DEVELOPED AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY, THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR INFILL, AND SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE 1000 OR YOU KNOW 1500 UNITS, IF YOU WERE TO DEVELOP THOSE LOTS THAT HAVE INFILL, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO HIT THAT UNIT NUMBER, BUT AS FAR AS THE OVERALL FEEL AND FABRIC OF THE COMMUNITY, THERE MIGHT BE SOME ELEMENTS THAT GET NOT LOOKED OVER BUT NOT NECESSARILY FOCUSED ON IN THE SAME LEVEL.

SO IT'S REALLY ABOUT MAINTAINING A BALANCED APPROACH SO THAT WHATEVER TYPE OF UNIT SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO LIVE IN IN YELLOWKNIFE, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM, AND SO THE IMMEDIATE NEED SAYS YOU'VE GOT TO BUILD QUICK, BUT OVER THE LONGER TERM, WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE YOUR COMMUNITY PLAN, THAT'S WHEN THAT BALANCED APPROACH STARTS TO TAKE FOCUS, WHERE YOU START TO BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY, WE CAN PROBABLY PUSH SOME DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA.

MAYBE NEW INFRASTRUCTURE COMES OUT, LIKE NEW TECHNOLOGIES GET INVENTED ALL THE TIME THAT CHANGE THE PARADIGM OF DEVELOPMENT.

SO MAYBE THERE'S SOME SORT OF MIRACLE TECHNOLOGY THAT MAKES HOUSING SO CHEAP TO BUILD EVERYWHERE IN YELLOWKNIFE.

WHO KNOWS? BUT IN THE SHORT TERM, YOU'VE GOT CLEAR FOCUS ON PROPERTIES THAT ARE WITHIN YOUR JURISDICTION.

INFRASTRUCTURE IS BUILT.

THAT'S A CLEAR PATH FORWARD.

DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S THE ONLY PATH THAT YOU HAVE TO GO DOWN, BUT IN THE IMMEDIATE SENSE, LIKE YOU GOT TO DO WHAT YOU GOT TO DO.

COUNCILLOR ARDEN-SMITH.

THANK YOU.

JUST GOING BACK TO SOME OF THE DATA THAT YOU HAVE FROM 2010 TO 2023, IT STATED THAT THERE WAS ABOUT 1100 UNITS THAT WERE COMPLETED BY THE CITY.

NOW, DOES THAT NUMBER INCLUDE THE UNITS THAT HAVE BURNED DOWN WITHIN THAT TIME FRAME, AS WE HAVE LOST QUITE A FEW OF OUR UNITS, OR IS THAT EXCLUDED FROM.

IT INCLUDES IT.

WE WERE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT DATA FROM 2011 THROUGH TO 2016, AND THEN WE NOTICED THAT THERE WAS ACTUALLY A DECREASE IN THE NUMBER OF UNITS BETWEEN 2011 AND 2016, AND THEN WHEN WE HEARD ABOUT SOME OF THE FIRES THAT HELPED TO EXPLAIN WHY THE OVERALL AVAILABILITY WENT DOWN.

SO THE 2021 WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THOSE UNITS THAT HAVE BEEN LOST.

OKAY, AND AS WELL, I'M JUST GOING TO JUMP INTO WHAT MR. VAN DINE HAD TOUCHED BASE ON WAS THAT THERE IS A GAP WITHIN THE DATA, AS YOU HAVE ALREADY STATED, BECAUSE INDIGENOUS GROUPS, THOUGH THEY WERE REACHED OUT TO, DIDN'T PARTAKE IN.

SO 24% IDENTIFY AS INDIGENOUS.

SO THAT'S QUITE A BIT OF THE ASSESSMENT.

THAT IS THERE'S A HUGE GAP.

SO HOW DO YOU SEE THAT THIS LACK OF DATA IS GOING TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE ASSESSMENT.

IT JUST DOESN'T GIVE US THE FULL PICTURE THAT WE NEED TO KNOW IN TERMS OF HOUSING NEED, AND SO IF WE TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE CULTURALLY APPROPRIATE HOUSING THE ROLE THAT

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IT JUST FEELS LIKE THERE'S A WHOLE ASPECT OF THE STORY THAT MIGHT GET MISSED, OR AT LEAST NOT TOLD IN THE WAY THAT IT NEEDS TO BE TOLD BY THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE EXPERIENCING IT.

OKAY, PERFECT.

WELL, HOPEFULLY BY THE TIME WE HAVE COMPLETED THIS, WHICH YOU'RE HOPING BY THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR OR THIS YEAR HOPEFULLY WE CAN FIND SOME WAY TO KIND OF, AS MR. VAN DINE HAD INDICATED, KIND OF ROUND THIS OUT TO BE ABLE TO FIND SOME SORT OF BRIDGE FOR THAT GAP.

MERCI. MYSELF AND MR. VAN DINE CAN ALSO WORK WITH THE CONSULTANT TO TRY TO GET SOME OF THOSE MEETINGS.

AN EMAIL FROM THE MAYOR CAN HELP, HOPEFULLY GET A CALL RETURNED.

SO. YOU BET.

WHAT I FOUND WITH WORKING WITH INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES IS THAT RELATIONSHIPS AND TRUST ARE PARAMOUNT TO PARTICIPATION, SO THERE'S A FEELING OF BEING OVER CONSULTED, UNDER, LISTENED TO, UNDER RESPONDED TO, AND SO I TOTALLY GET RECEIVING AN EMAIL FROM A CONSULTANT SAYING, HEY, LET'S TALK ABOUT HOUSING MIGHT NOT LAND THE WAY THAT WE INTENDED IT TO LAND, AND SO IN THE INTEREST OF, YOU KNOW, BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS, MAYBE THAT TAKES A PHONE CALL FROM, YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR OR SOMEBODY SAYING, HEY, CONSULTANT CAN COME TO YOUR COMMUNITY AND WANTS TO TALK ABOUT HOUSING.

LIKE, THAT'S THE LEVEL OF EFFORTS THAT IS REQUIRED WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO FORM THOSE RELATIONSHIPS AND BUILD THE TRUST, AND SO IF I WAS IN THE POSITION OF THE NATIONS, I WOULD PROBABLY IGNORE THE EMAIL TOO.

THANK YOU.

FOR MYSELF, I JUST HAD A FEW QUESTIONS.

SO YOU DO GO INTO THE NUMBER OF UNITS NEEDED ONE BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOM, ETC..

DO YOU DO A BREAKDOWN ON WE NEED X NUMBER OF ONE BEDROOMS OF NON-MARKET MARKET VERSUS X NUMBER OF MARKET.

CURRENTLY WE DON'T, BUT I BELIEVE WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO SO, AND SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A NON MARKET UNIT AND A MARKET UNIT IS NON MARKET IS PROVIDED WITH SOME SORT OF SUBSIDY IN PLACE. WHETHER THAT WOULD BE FROM A TERRITORIAL GOVERNMENT OR A HOUSING PROVIDER THAT'S PROVIDING RENTS AT A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE LOWER THAN AVERAGE.

WHEREAS MARKET IS JUST BASICALLY WHATEVER THE MARKET DEMANDS WOULD BE PAID.

IN TERMS OF OVERALL AFFORDABILITY, SOMEWHAT OF A PROXY MEASURE WOULD BE THE NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS SPENDING MORE THAN 30% OF THEIR INCOMES ON RENT, AND SO FOR RENTER HOUSEHOLDS, IT'S AROUND 24%.

FOR HOMEOWNERS, IT'S AROUND 10%.

SO WE CAN KIND OF GO BACKWARDS BASED ON THAT NUMBER AND SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, X NUMBER OF RENTER HOUSEHOLDS ARE REQUIRING AFFORDABLE I.E.

NON-MARKET UNITS.

YEAH. IF IT'S POSSIBLE, IT'D BE GREAT.

SUPER HELPFUL FOR OUR AGAIN, OUR LOBBYING EFFORTS AT THE TERRITORIAL AND FEDERAL LEVEL, AND JUST TO CONFIRM, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT UNITS CONSTRUCTED IF A BUILDING HAS FOUR APARTMENTS IN IT, THAT'S FOUR UNITS AND NOT ONE.

CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT.

YEAH. THAT'S ALSO ANOTHER NUANCE OF THE BUILDING PERMIT DATA, IS THAT IT DOESN'T FULLY REFLECT HOW MANY UNITS HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED WITHIN A MULTI-UNIT BUILDING, AND SO IF A UNIT IS BUILT WITH, SAY, EIGHT APARTMENT BUILDINGS, I BELIEVE IT WOULD ONLY COUNT AS ONE UNIT LIKE ONE COMPLETION ON THIS TABLE.

SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF NUANCE WITHIN THE DATA THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY SHOW UP.

OKAY. BECAUSE YEAH, IT WAS THIS ONE WHERE FOR 2023, IF WE HAD 15 BUILDING PERMITS ISSUED, IT COULD ACTUALLY BE 150 UNITS GETTING CONSTRUCTED.

SO THIS DATA ISN'T CAPTURING THAT.

YEAH. THIS IS JUST TOTAL COMPLETION.

SO THERE THERE COULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY MORE UNITS THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED THAN WHAT THIS NUMBER INDICATES.

OKAY. YEAH. BECAUSE THEN YOU WOULD GET THAT 2011 TO 2017, MANY SINGLE UNIT BUILDINGS WERE DONE, AND THEN IN THE PAST FOUR YEARS IT'S BEEN MORE THE MULTI UNIT APARTMENTS.

OKAY. WE'LL STAY TUNED FOR A BIT MORE OF THAT FINESSE, AND YOU HAVE THE AVERAGE RENTS FOR CMHC IT'S BEEN A LONG STANDING PROBLEM IN YELLOWKNIFE. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS YOU KNOW, IN WORKING WITH MUNICIPALITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY IS THIS A COMMON THING? AND DO YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ON WAYS TO IMPROVE IT? BECAUSE IT DOES IMPACT SO MANY THINGS, EVEN LIKE FEDERAL EMPLOYEES GET LESS OF A BENEFIT BECAUSE OF THE DATA THAT'S WRONG

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YEAH. SO ONE OF THE COMPLEXITIES OF THE RENTAL MARKET IS THAT IT'S MET BY BOTH THE PRIMARY, WHICH IS PURPOSE BUILT AND SECONDARY.

SO THAT WOULD BE SOMEBODY POTENTIALLY RENTING OUT A BEDROOM OR A BASEMENT SUITE THAT WASN'T DESIGNED AND DEVELOPED FOR THAT PURPOSE.

SO TRACKING THE PRIMARY RENTAL MARKET IS A LITTLE BIT EASIER, BECAUSE GENERALLY CMHC WILL SURVEY MAJOR HOUSING PROVIDERS TO GET A SENSE.

THE SECONDARY MARKET IS A LOT MORE DIFFICULT TO ASSESS JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE FIND UNITS ADVERTISED IN MANY, MANY SOURCES WHAT THOSE RATES ACTUALLY END UP BEING CHARGED. YOU MIGHT GET SOMEBODY INTERESTED FOR A UNIT AT A CERTAIN PRICE AND THEN SAY NO, THE RENT IS ACTUALLY THAT FIGURING THAT DATA OUT IS VERY DIFFICULT.

WHAT SOME MUNICIPALITIES ARE CONSIDERING IS BASICALLY PUTTING IN BUSINESS LICENSING FOR SECONDARY UNIT OPERATIONS.

AND SO IN THAT BUSINESS LICENSING CONSIDERING THINGS LIKE A RENTAL REGISTRY WHERE ALL UNITS THAT ARE LEGALLY AVAILABLE WITHIN THE CITY HAVE TO REGISTER AND INDICATE HOW MANY BEDROOMS DO YOU HAVE? WHAT SORT OF AMENITIES ARE AVAILABLE? WHAT WAS THE RENT YOU WERE CHARGING WHEN IT FIRST WENT ON THE MARKET TO TRY AND TRACK HOW PRICE CHANGES INCREASE OR CHANGE OVER TIME.

SO THERE'S MORE STRINGENT, I GUESS, OVERSIGHT ON THE SECONDARY RENTAL MARKET THAT MIGHT PROVIDE YOU WITH THE DATA, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, IT CAN BE VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO TEASE OUT THE NUANCE OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY PAYING.

THANKS. TRUE.

YEAH, I HAVE SEEN THE SUGGESTION OF THE RENTAL REGISTRY, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO CONSIDER OUR SMALL LITTLE MUNICIPALITY AND WHETHER THIS GENERAL DATA MIGHT BE SUFFICIENT. OPENING IT UP.

ANY SECOND ROUND QUESTIONS? COUNCILLOR MCGURK.

I THINK I'M JUST INTERESTED IN YOUR THOUGHTS, AND MAYBE I DON'T KNOW IF THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD WANT TO SPEAK TO IT TOO, BUT IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, AND THIS COUNCIL IS VERY OPEN TO THAT GENERALLY SPEAKING, I'D SAY, SORRY FOR SPEAKING FOR EVERYONE, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD, AND I'M WONDERING IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT MAYBE ALONGSIDE THE PUBLIC SURVEYOR AS A PART OF IT? SOME ARE LIKE OUR INVOLVEMENT IN SOME WAY IN TERMS OF EDUCATING PEOPLE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT I NOTE IN LISTENING TO YOUR PRESENTATION IS THAT THERE IS A DEMAND FOR, YOU SAID, LIKE BUNGALOWS FROM SENIORS, WHICH AND THE GREENFIELD EXPANSION QUESTION IT MEANS THAT WE WOULD BE PROVIDING MORE SERVICES AS A COMMUNITY AND INCREASING TAX RATES FOR TO PAY FOR THAT.

AND IF THE ISSUE ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES IS COST OF LIVING HERE, THEN THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT IS A CATCH 22 THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, AND I JUST WONDER IF THE GENERAL POPULATION HAD MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.

WOULD THAT HELP INFORM THE SURVEY OR WOULD THAT WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE USEFUL? OR IF IT IS, DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS? YEAH I GENERALLY BELIEVE THAT MORE EDUCATION IS ALWAYS A GOOD THING, BUT MAKING SURE THAT HOW THINGS ARE PRESENTED AND THE LEVEL OF INFORMATION THAT'S GIVEN TO PEOPLE SO THAT THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GETTING A SURVEY IN THE MAIL AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT CORE HOUSING NEED IS, THEN HOW DO YOU KNOW IF YOU POTENTIALLY FALL IN IT? SO MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE HAVE THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO THEM IN FORMATS THAT MAKE SENSE, WHETHER THAT WOULD BE ONLINE, IN SIMILAR SURVEYS THAT I'VE FIELDED IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, WE'VE DONE BOTH ONLINE AND PAPER COPIES OF THE SURVEY.

JUST KNOWING THAT SOME FOLKS MIGHT POP BY THE LIBRARY AND SEE A PAPER SURVEY AND THINK, OKAY, I'LL COMPLETE IT.

WHEREAS OTHER FOLKS WITH MAYBE NOT HAVING TECHNOLOGY ACCESS, THEY'D BE UNABLE TO COMPLETE IT IN TERMS OF COUNCIL'S INVOLVEMENT IN EDUCATION.

I MEAN, YOU'RE ELECTED TO REPRESENT YOUR CONSTITUENTS YOU HAVE A REAL FEEL FOR THE PULSE OF THE COMMUNITY, AND I THINK YOU HAVE A KEY ROLE TO PLAY WHEN IT COMES TO EDUCATING AND LISTENING AND SEEKING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CHALLENGES ARE AND WHAT OPPORTUNITIES YOU HAVE AS A COUNCIL THROUGH POLICY TO REALLY CHANGE THINGS, AND SO FOR ENGAGEMENT, I MEAN, THE CITY HAS AN EXCELLENT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT FRAMEWORK AND PROCESS.

IT REALLY GOES OUT OF ITS WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S INCLUSIVE AND CONSIDERS A WIDE RANGE OF PERSPECTIVES, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE ENGAGEMENT FATIGUE IS A REAL RISK IN EVERY COMMUNITY, AND SO YOU MIGHT PUT YOUR BEST FOOT FORWARD THROUGH AN ENGAGEMENT SHOW UP TO WHERE PEOPLE ARE AND ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS, AND YOU MIGHT NOT GET THE RESPONSE RATE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. SO PATIENCE IS A HUGE ELEMENT OF IT.

MAKING SURE THAT THE INFORMATION THAT PEOPLE NEED TO RESPOND IN AN INFORMED WAY IS AVAILABLE, AND THEN PERSISTENCE AND MESSAGING.

SO STAYING CONSISTENT IS HUGELY IMPORTANT AS WELL.

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THANKS. IT'S MORE OF A COMMENT THAN ANYTHING.

TO EMPHASIZE THE POINT HERE IS LITERALLY EVERYTHING TO DO WITH HOW YOU BUILD HOUSING HERE IS BASED OFF CMHC RENTAL AVERAGES AND AVERAGE RENTAL INCOME, AND THOSE BOTH ARE SO EGREGIOUSLY INCORRECT.

SO A BANK BASES IT ON THAT.

ARE THE FEDS THE TERRITORY? SO I THINK WE NEED TO DO AS A COUNCIL SOME LOBBYING WORK TO MAKE SURE THIS IS CAPTURED ACCURATELY BECAUSE IT IS HURTING EVERYTHING.

WE CAN'T ADDRESS A PROBLEM IF IT DOESN'T MATCH THE REALITY OF THE SYSTEMS. WE NEED TO ENGAGE TO DO THAT LIKE FINANCING AND BANKS AND DEVELOPERS.

SO THANKS. THANK YOU.

SEEING NOTHING FURTHER, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR PRESENTATION TODAY.

LOOK FORWARD TO THE FINAL REPORT.

NEXT ON THE AGENDA, WE HAVE A MEMORANDUM REGARDING WHETHER TO REPEAL AND REPLACE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE PROGRAM BYLAW NUMBER 4534, AS AMENDED, AND WHETHER TO AMEND THE

[5. A memorandum regarding whether to repeal and replace Development Incentive Program Bylaw No. 4534, as amended, and whether to amend Financial Administration By‐law No. 4206, as amended.]

MR. VAN DINE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE ITEM.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.

THESE BOTH ITEMS ARE PART AND PARCEL OF OUR PACKAGE TO PREPARE YELLOWKNIFE FOR GREATER INTENSIFICATION AND GREATER ACCOMMODATING GREATER HOUSING MIX, AS WE JUST HEARD FROM THE SURVEY.

IT ALSO IS SOME OF THE PRECURSORS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO PUT IN PLACE IN ADVANCE OF DOING OUR COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE.

SO THIS IS ALL A PART OF OUR AGENDA MOVING FORWARD TO CREATE A MORE INVESTOR FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT FOR YELLOWKNIFE AND TO MEET THE HOUSING NEEDS. THE ONE PIECE THAT I WILL JUST EMPHASIZE VERY, VERY QUICKLY IS THAT WHAT WE ARE HOPING TO ACHIEVE IN BOTH THESE PIECES IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT THE RIGHT INCENTIVE MIX IN PLACE FOR YELLOWKNIFE TO ALLOW DEVELOPERS TO TAKE THE RISKS NECESSARY THAT WE BELIEVE THEY NEED TO TAKE IN ORDER TO IMPROVE OUR NOT ONLY OUR DOWNTOWN, BUT OUR CITY AT LARGE.

SO WITH NO FURTHER ADO, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MISS WHITE TO TAKE US THROUGH BOTH ITEMS AND WE CAN DIRECT COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS ACCORDINGLY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH AND I HOPE YOU DON'T MIND IF I PRESENT FROM HERE.

SO I HAVE MY INFORMATION ON MY SCREEN, AS THAT IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO THE KIND OF BACK AND FORTH THAT I'M GOING TO NEED TO DO, I'M SURE.

SO THANK YOU ALL.

I GUESS TODAY IS THE BIG REVEAL FOR DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES BYLAW.

I KNOW I'VE PRESENTED A NUMEROUS OPTIONS TO YOU PREVIOUSLY, BUT HERE IS IT ACTUALLY DRAFTED INTO THAT BYLAW FORM? BEFORE I WALK THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT INCENTIVES, I DID WANT TO GIVE A BIG THANKS TO SOME PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT STAFF BECAUSE THEY REALLY PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT INTO THIS.

SO TO BASEL AND TO WILLIAM, AS WELL AS TO LEGAL DEPARTMENT, CITY CLERKS AND FINANCE, THEY KEEP US LEGAL.

SO I WANT TO SAY A BIG THANK YOU TO THEM AND REALLY PULLING ALL OF THIS TOGETHER, NOT JUST IN THE BYLAW, BUT ALL OF THOSE PIECES IN BEHIND EVERYTHING FROM APPLICATIONS TO HOW WE REVIEW THESE FORMS. SO I COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT ANY OF THEM.

I'M GOING TO WALK THROUGH A FEW HIGHLIGHTS, AND THEN OF COURSE, I LOOK FORWARD TO THE QUESTIONS AT THE END, AS I'M SURE THERE WILL BE SOME.

AND WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE BYLAW IS THERE'S KIND OF TWO DIFFERENT SETS OF INCENTIVES.

ONE IS THE ABATEMENT SECTION AND THE OTHER IS THE GRANTS SECTION.

SO ABATEMENTS ARE REALLY A RELIEF RELATED TO THAT INCREASE IN TAXES BASED ON THE INCREASE IN ASSESSMENT, AND THAT ONLY OCCURS WHEN THERE'S AN IMPROVEMENT TO A PROPERTY, AND GRANTS ARE A SUM OF MONEY THAT ARE GIVEN FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE, AND BOTH OF THOSE ARE BROKEN OUT INTO TWO DIFFERENT SECTIONS WITHIN THE BYLAW.

AS YOU'RE SCROLLING THROUGH IT.

SO THERE'S FIVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF ABATEMENTS, AND SO THOSE ARE VACANT PROPERTY MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL, CENTRAL MIXED RESIDENTIAL, AND THEN WE'VE KEPT THE INDUSTRIAL RELOCATION ABATEMENT.

JUST AS AN FYI, THAT WAS THE ONE PROGRAM THAT WAS ACCESSED THE MOST UNDER THE PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES BYLAW.

SO NOT TRYING TO KEEP DOING THE SAME THINGS OVER AGAIN AND HOPING FOR A DIFFERENT RESULT.

EVERYTHING ELSE IN THIS BYLAW EXCEPT FOR THE INDUSTRIAL ABATEMENTS IS DIFFERENT.

OKAY, SO THAT ONE HAS STAYED THE SAME, AND THEN WE HAVE FOUR KIND OF GENERAL GRANTS WE'LL CALL THEM.

SO THAT'S THE BICYCLE.

THAT IS ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY GRANTS, AND THEN WE HAVE NINE GRANTS THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY FOCUSED ON HOUSING.

YOU'LL NOTICE AT THE VERY END OF THIS PACKAGE, WE INCLUDED KIND OF AN FAQ, WHICH IS FOR COUNCIL, BUT MOSTLY FOR THE PUBLIC, KIND OF THE SHORT FORM.

WHAT DOES EACH ONE OF THESE ITEMS DO OR ABATE OR GRANT?

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I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THEM ALL, AND IF THERE'S QUESTIONS AFTER, BY ALL MEANS I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

WITH REGARD TO THE VACANT PROPERTY ABATEMENT, WHAT THIS REALLY IS FOCUSED ON IS AND I KNOW I'VE SAID IT BEFORE, BUT IT KIND OF GOES TO THE COMMENT COUNCILLOR PAYNE MENTIONED BEFORE IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT IN THE DOWNTOWN AND INTENSIFICATION.

IF WE REMEMBER, IF WE LOOK AT ALL OF THE DOWNTOWN ZONE, 40% OF THAT LAND AREA IS VACANT OR PARKING LOT.

SO WHAT THIS IS SPECIFICALLY TRYING TO DO IS TARGET THOSE PROPERTIES AND CREATE AN INCENTIVE FOR DEVELOPMENT TO BRING THEM TO THAT HIGHEST AND BEST USE, AND THEN WE HAVE A COUPLE OF RESIDENTIAL ABATEMENTS WHICH FOCUS SPECIFICALLY ON DIFFERENT TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL, BOTH AS MIXED USE.

SO WHERE THERE'S COMMERCIAL ON THE BOTTOM AND RESIDENTIAL ON THE UPPER FLOORS, AS WELL AS SOLE PURPOSE BUILT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS AND DIFFERENT ABATEMENTS BASED ON THE DIFFERENT TYPES AND LOCATION WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, AND AGAIN, SOME OF THIS IS TIED TO WHAT IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE WE HAVE IN PLACE IN THESE LOCATIONS, OR WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO, YOU KNOW, JUST TIE IN SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES TO THE DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT GRANTS, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT GRANTS.

AND I FOUND IT INTERESTING IN THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT, THE USE OF THE TERM UNIVERSAL, AND SO THAT IS ACTUALLY A TERM THAT IS THROUGHOUT NOT JUST THE NATIONAL BUILDING CODE, BUT IT'S NOW THE TERM USED MOST WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ACCESSIBILITY STANDARDS.

SO I JUST WANTED EVERYBODY TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND LOOKED AT A UNIVERSAL DESIGN GRANT, NOT JUST FOR COMMERCIAL IN OUR DOWNTOWN, BUT ALSO FOR RESIDENTIAL UNITS, BECAUSE AS WE BUILD MORE RESIDENTIAL UNITS, THERE IS ALWAYS THAT NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ACCESSIBLE AND FOLLOW THESE UNIVERSAL STANDARDS, AND THEN WE HAVE SPECIFIC GRANTS FOR HOUSING AND MISSING MIDDLE IN PARTICULAR.

SO THERE'S ONE WHICH IS KIND OF A NEW CONCEPT, BUT IT IS A GRANT, AND IT IS THAT MISSING MIDDLE PRICE GRANT, AND IT WOULD WORK TOGETHER WITH OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT LAND ADMINISTRATION BYLAW, AND WHAT THIS WOULD DO IS WHERE PROPERTIES ARE BROUGHT TO MARKET BY THE CITY, WHICH IS THE PROCESS, SAY, 90% OF PROPERTIES TAKE THAT.

THERE WOULD BE AN OPTION IF CERTAIN HOUSING COMMITMENTS ARE MADE, THAT A GRANT FOR 25% OF THAT PURCHASE PRICE WOULD BE PROVIDED.

THERE'S ALSO GRANTS FOR CONVERSION, SERVICING.

SO SOMETIMES WHEN WE UPGRADE OR INTENSIFY A LOT THAT SERVICING THAT SERVICES THE LOT NEEDS TO BE UPGRADED AS WELL.

SO THERE'S SOME INCLUDED THERE AND OPTIONS, AND LASTLY, A SUPPORT THAT WE'VE SEEN ELSEWHERE AND THOUGHT WE WOULD TIE INTO THE BOTH ABATEMENTS AND GRANTS IS DEVELOPMENT PERMIT AND BUILDING PERMIT FEE GRANT FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

SO THIS COULD BE A SUBSTANTIAL GRANT DEPENDING ON THE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT.

SO UP TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY SPECIFICALLY ON BUILDING PERMITS, BECAUSE SOME OF OUR BUILDING PERMITS ARE VERY LARGE AND COSTLY, BUT HOPING THAT FOR A LOT OF THE MISSING MIDDLE AND INFILL, THAT THIS WOULD COVER MAJORITY OF THEIR PERMIT FEES WHEN THEY'RE MAKING APPLICATIONS TO THE CITY, AND THEN THE LAST PIECE BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO QUESTIONS TO COMMITTEE IS JUST A CONVERSATION AND A QUESTION FROM ADMINISTRATION ON ALL OF THESE INCENTIVES ARE BASED ON FUNDING. SO FUNDING THAT THE CITY HAS OR THE FUNDING THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED FROM THE HOUSING ACCELERATOR FUND, AND RIGHT NOW, AS IT IS WRITTEN, THE BYLAW WOULD TAKE EFFECT IF APPROVED BY COUNCIL ON THE DATE OF THAT THIRD READING, AND WE'VE KIND OF CONSIDERED THE IDEA OF MAYBE PUTTING IN A SET START DATE, BECAUSE IT WOULD REALLY BE TRANSPARENT TO THE PUBLIC TO SAY ALL APPLICATIONS CAN START ON THIS DATE UNTIL FUNDING IS ENDED, AND THEN WE WOULD ISSUE A NOTICE WHEN THAT YEARLY FUNDING IS ENDED.

SO THAT COULD BE JULY THAT COULD BE AUGUST.

IT WOULD BE WHEN WHEN THAT FUND IS AND THEN START OVER AGAIN.

BECAUSE SOME OF THIS FUNDING REALLY IS ONLY FOR THAT FOUR YEAR PERIOD.

SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT AS A CONSIDERATION.

IT'S NOT THE WAY THE BYLAW IS WRITTEN.

IT IS AN EASY CHANGE.

I JUST WANTED TO PUT IT OUT THERE AS AN OPTION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I'M HAPPY TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION.

THANK YOU. OPENING IT UP TO QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, DISCUSSION COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANKS FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD AND ALL THE WORK BY STAFF.

I GUESS JUST FIRST, A QUESTION JUST SORT OF RELATED TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID.

SO THE HOUSING ACCELERATOR FUND MONEY.

LET ME SEE IF I CAN EXPLAIN THIS CLEARLY.

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IF ONE POT IS USED QUICKLY, BUT OTHER POTS ARE NOT.

CAN WE SHIFT THAT MONEY AROUND? DOES THAT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY HAVE TO BE SPENT IN A CERTAIN YEAR? JUST LOOKING TO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THOSE CRITERIA AROUND THE FEDERAL PROGRAM, WHICH I'M SURE THERE ARE.

MR. VAN DINE, DID YOU WANT TO TAKE THE QUESTIONS OR GO RIGHT TO MISS WHITE? MISS WHITE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YES, THERE ARE TERMS AND CONDITIONS WHICH APPLY.

SO THERE IS A SET AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR INCENTIVES WITHIN EACH YEAR OF FUNDING THAT WE RECEIVE FROM THE GOVERNMENT, AND WITHIN THAT THERE IS A DEFINED BREAKDOWN.

NOW THE INTERESTING PIECE IS WE'VE RECEIVED THE MONEY FOR 2024.

SO WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE IS WE ADD THAT MONEY TO THE 2025 MONEY.

SO WE HAVE A LARGER POCKET FOR THAT YEAR ONE.

I DON'T BELIEVE AGAIN, BASED ON WHAT WE'VE KIND OF TENTATIVELY PRICED OUT, THAT WE'LL HIT THAT MAX IN YEAR ONE, BUT THEN WHEN WE COME TO THAT YEAR TWO, WE'RE BACK DOWN TO ABOUT JUST SO EVERYONE IS AWARE, IT'S ABOUT $222,000 FROM HALF.

SO THAT'S FOR THOSE HOUSING PIECES.

THE REMAINDER WITH REGARD TO THE ABATEMENTS COMES OUT OF DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS WHICH I INCLUDE THOSE SUMMARIES IN THE MEMO.

SO I THINK IT'S $700,000 ISH IN THERE.

SO YES, THERE ARE TERMS AND CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW, AND WE HAVE TO REPORT OUT ON THIS AT THE END OF EVERY YEAR TO SHOW WHAT MONEY WENT WHERE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND A QUESTION ON THE MISSING MIDDLE PRICE GRANT.

SO IT SETS A MINIMUM OF FIVE UNITS.

DOES THAT SCALE BASED ON LOT SIZE? MISS WHITE. THANK YOU.

SO I BELIEVE THE ANSWER WOULD BE YES AND NO.

SO THE YES IS A 25% RETURN ON OUR GRANT ON A $200,000 LOT WILL BE MORE THAN 25% RETURN ON A $100,000 LOT, BUT DOES A LARGER DEVELOPMENT GET A 30% GRANT? THE ANSWER IS NO.

SO 25% ACROSS THE BOARD, BUT YES, IT IS BASED ON THE PRICE OF THE LOT.

SO A LARGER LOT IS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO HAVE A GREATER PRICE, AND THEREFORE 25% WILL EQUAL MORE THAN IF IT WAS A LESSER LOT.

THANK YOU. RIGHT ON, AND JUST SORT OF A FOLLOW UP.

SO IF WE CHOOSE TO MAKE A SORT OF LARGER LOT AVAILABLE WOULDN'T A DEVELOPER JUST BE ABLE TO JUST BUILD TO THE MINIMUM SIX UNITS AND GET A MUCH BIGGER CHUNK OF MONEY BACK AND NOT UTILIZE THE SPACE FULLY? OR IS THERE A WAY TO SORT OF MITIGATE THAT? MISS WHITE. SO I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION, BUT THE GRANT, WHICH IS THE 25% ONLY IS TIED TO THE COMMITMENT TO BUILD THE SPECIFIC TYPE OF HOUSING.

SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET WHAT THEY'RE COMMITTING TO IN THE PURCHASE AGREEMENT, WHICH IS A LEGAL AGREEMENT WITH THE MUNICIPALITY, BUT IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE GRANT.

SO I'M HOPEFULLY I'M ANSWERING THE QUESTION.

I'LL TRY.

SO I THINK BASICALLY WHAT I'M TRYING TO ADDRESS IS LAST WEEK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LOTS NOT GETTING USED FULLY, AND WE TOOK OUT THE FLOOR AREA RATIO AS A WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT LOTS WERE USED FULLY.

THIS JUST HAS A NUMBER FIVE.

SO IF WE MAKE A LARGE LOT AVAILABLE, COULD NOT SOMEONE JUST COME FORWARD, BUILD FIVE, NOT USE 10% OF THE LOT AND STILL GET A 25% OF THE COST OFF? MISS WHITE. UNDERSTOOD.

SO WHEN WE DEVELOP LOTS AND BRING.

SO WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A SUBDIVISION PROCESS, THE LOTS THAT WE BUILD, THAT WE CREATE, WE ENSURE THAT THEY MEET THE TERMS OF THE ZONING BYLAW AND PROVIDE SOME OPPORTUNITY. ANY LARGE LOT WOULD NOT BE FUNCTIONAL FOR US TO SELL AS A LARGE PIECE, UNLESS THERE WAS A DIRECT POLICY SHIFT FROM COUNCIL IN LOOKING AT THOSE THIRD PARTY DEVELOPMENTS.

SO NO, RIGHT NOW THE WAY THAT WE DO IT IS WE CREATE INDIVIDUAL LOTS AND WE ARE SELLING THOSE INDIVIDUAL LOTS.

THEY'RE NOT LARGE SWATHS OF LAND.

PLUS UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE NONE AVAILABLE.

THANK YOU. UNDERSTOOD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND ONE MORE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE HOUSING NEED ASSESSMENT, MENTIONING THE BIGGEST NEED BEING THREE AND MORE BEDROOMS UNITS. IS THERE ANYTHING SPECIFIC IN THE INCENTIVES OR IS IT POSSIBLE TO INCENTIVIZE LIKE SPECIFIC UNIT SIZES LIKE THAT.

MISS WHITE. THIS IS A GREAT QUESTION.

SO I'M GOING TO ANSWER IT IN TWO PARTS.

THE FIRST IS YES, THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES BYLAW HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO WORK WITH THE PROPOSED RI AND RI-1 ZONING, WHICH DOES FACILITATE AND TRIES TO ENCOURAGE DUPLEXES, TOWNHOMES, AND I KNOW I'VE BEEN IN MANY MOST DUPLEXES AND TOWNHOMES ARE THREE BEDROOMS PLUS ESPECIALLY IN TOWNHOMES USUALLY YOU GET FOUR BEDROOMS ON THE ENDS AND THREE USUALLY IN THE UNITS THAT ARE IN THE MIDDLE.

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TO ANSWER THE SECOND PART OF THAT QUESTION, WE WERE LOOKING AT WHETHER WE SHOULD INCLUDE AN INCENTIVE BASED ON EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

THREE, FOUR BEDROOMS. WE HAVE HAD SOMETHING DRAFTED AND WE PUT IT ASIDE, A BECAUSE OF THE COST AND THE LIMITED FUNDING THAT WE HAVE FOR HOUSING.

HOWEVER, WHAT I WILL SAY IS AFTER ONE YEAR, AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE TO REPORT OUT ON THIS.

AND IF WE'RE NOT SEEING THE RESULTS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GAIN THROUGH THIS, IT WOULD BE UPON US TO BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL TO SAY, HERE'S A NEW IDEA, LET'S TRY THIS.

BECAUSE AGAIN, IF IT'S NOT WORKING, WE SHOULD BE ON TOP OF IT AND CHANGING IT TO SEE IF WE CAN ACTUALLY AFFECT THE CHANGE THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

THANK YOU. AWESOME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN. THANKS, MAYOR ALTY.

THANKS COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN FOR NAILING MOST OF MY QUESTIONS.

FIRST, TO ANSWER THE DIRECTOR'S QUESTION.

YES, I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE TRANSPARENCY.

SO FOR WHAT THAT'S WORTH, THAT'S MY OPINION ON THAT ONE.

SO, BUT MY ONE SIGNIFICANT QUESTION IS AROUND THE DEFINITION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND AFFORDABLE OWNERSHIP.

SO JUST TO CONFIRM WHERE THOSE DEFINITIONS CAME FROM BECAUSE AND I KNOW THE MAYOR HAS MENTIONED THIS IN THE PAST MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING SOMETHING NEW THAT THEN CONFLICTS WITH ANOTHER DEFINITION OUT THERE, ALL OF THAT FUN STUFF.

MISS WHITE. THANK YOU.

YES, AND THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT, AND I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE CREATING DEFINITIONS IF WE DON'T NEED TO.

THESE THESE TWO DEFINITIONS COME DIRECTLY OUT OF CMHC, AND IT IS WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT USES FOR THE HALF SPECIFIC FUNDING.

SO WE ARE USING THE SAME DEFINITION THAT TORONTO, KINGSTON, WINNIPEG ALL OF THEM ARE USING.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR FEQUET.

THANKS, MADAM CHAIR.

JUST A FEW QUESTIONS.

PAGE 27 OF THE PDF.

IT'S TABLE A IT'S THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES REGARDING THE ACCESSIBLE UNITS.

I'M JUST CURIOUS.

MAYBE THIS IS OUR CURRENT PROCESS, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I NOTICE IT SAYS REVIEW BY THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE ACCESSIBILITY COMMITTEE REQUIRED FOR FUNDING APPROVAL.

I WAS HOPING YOU COULD JUST EDUCATE US ON THAT, IF THAT'S CURRENT OR IF THAT'S PROPOSED AND WHY THAT'S NEEDED, I GUESS I ASSUMED THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, SOME CRITERIA FOR ACCESSIBILITY STANDARDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE.

SO, YEAH, THAT TABLE, I THINK, WAS WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED TO US, AND THEN THE BYLAW GOT DRAFTED WITH DIFFERENT CONDITIONS.

SO. MISS WHITE. THAT IS CORRECT.

THERE'S TWO PIECES. ONE IS THAT WAS WHAT WAS PROPOSED.

I WANT TO SAY BACK IN MAY, BUT DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT.

MY MEMORY IS A LITTLE FUZZY.

THE SECOND PIECE IS THAT I DID HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME MEMBERS OF THE DISABILITY COUNCIL, BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY, THERE WASN'T TIME TO BRING IT TO THE NEXT ACCESSIBILITY COMMITTEE MEETING, AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE GOOD TO GO.

SO THANK YOU.

AWESOME. THANKS, AND ON THAT SAME TOPIC, JUST CONFIRMING THE 50% OR UP TO 15,000 PER UNIT IS THAT'S SOLELY WHAT THE CITY IS PROVIDING THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY OTHER LIKE FEDERAL SUPPORT IN THAT SPACE.

YEAH, I GUESS I'D CAUTION TO LOOK AT THAT TABLE TOO MUCH BECAUSE THAT WAS WHAT'S PROPOSED.

AND SO THE BYLAW WOULD BE WHAT'S WHAT WE'RE APPROVING.

MISS WHITE. YES.

PLEASE LOOK AT THE MONETARY AMOUNTS THAT ARE IN THE BYLAW.

THEY DO TEND TO MATCH UP, BUT THERE ARE A FEW DIFFERENCES WITH WHAT WAS IN THAT TABLE AND WHAT IS ACTUALLY IN THE BYLAW, BUT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, WHAT WE'VE DONE, AND WE'VE PUT SOME VERY CLEAR STATEMENTS IN THIS BYLAW THAT THE HOPE IS, WHERE POSSIBLE, THE FUNDING FROM THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES CAN BE STACKABLE WITH OTHER OPPORTUNITIES.

SO IF THERE ARE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE, THIS IS JUST THE PORTION THAT WE WOULD BE PROVIDING, AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S WHETHER IT'S THROUGH CMHC OR THROUGH OTHER GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS SOME FOR CLIMATE CHANGE.

THERE IS AN ABILITY TO PULL MULTIPLE FUNDING SOURCES TOGETHER TO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT OF NEW HOUSING.

THANK YOU. THANKS.

A VERY MINOR EDITORIAL QUESTION.

SECTION THREE FIVE, THE INDUSTRIAL RELOCATION ABATEMENT.

JUST NOTICING IT'S IN THE SECTION WITH GRANTS.

IS IT INTENDED TO BE THERE OR IS IT WAS IT SUPPOSED TO BE UP IN THE GRANT SECTION IN SECTION TWO? MISS WHITE? IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE IN SECTION TWO.

YEAH. NO, I NOTICED THAT, AND UNFORTUNATELY IT IT IS ON THE AGENDA AS SUCH.

THANKS, BUT WE CAN MOVE UP TO ABATEMENTS BEFORE IT COMES FORWARD FOR FIRST READING.

GREAT. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE HEARD THROUGH A LOT OF THE CONVERSATIONS AROUND DEVELOPMENT AND LAND HOUSING IS COUNCILLOR WARBURTON HAS SAID, YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO CHANGE THE MATH. SO IT WORKS FOR DEVELOPERS.

SO I WAS HOPING YOU COULD JUST KIND OF GIVE US THE LOWDOWN ON WHAT LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT OR WHAT TYPES OF ENGAGEMENT WE'VE, HAD WITH DEVELOPERS, AND IF

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MISS WHITE. THANK YOU.

SO WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING RECENTLY.

WHAT I THINK WILL HAPPEN IS ONCE IF THIS BYLAW IS APPROVED BY COUNCIL, WE WILL DEFINITELY HEAR ONCE PEOPLE GO THROUGH IT, BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE TO REMEMBER WE'RE ONLY ONE SMALL PIECE OF THAT DEVELOPMENT PUZZLE WHEN PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO PULL TOGETHER, WHETHER THAT'S FINANCING LABOR LAND.

SO WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY KIND OF GET THOSE WHEELS MOVING BEFORE WE HEAR WHAT THE RESULT ACTUALLY IS, AND ON OUR SIDE, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LOOK INTO, WHICH IS THE OR FULLY KNOW, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT FOR A SMALLER DEVELOPER THAN A LARGER DEVELOPER.

WHAT THOSE DIFFERENT PIECES ARE, BECAUSE PEOPLE GET FINANCING FROM DIFFERENT PLACES, PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT RATES.

SO FOR US TO KIND OF CREATE THAT EXAMPLE WOULD BE REALLY, REALLY DIFFICULT.

SO WHAT WE ACTUALLY WANT TO KNOW IS THOSE REAL WORLD EXAMPLES OF WHAT HAPPENED, AND DID THIS ACTUALLY WORK FOR DEVELOPER A, B, C? AND REMEMBER THIS ISN'T ALSO STRAIGHT GEARED AT DEVELOPERS.

THIS IS ALSO HOMEOWNERS.

RIGHT. AND SO THEY HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT ECONOMIC SCALE THAN, SAY, A DEVELOPER WHO'S BUILDING AN APARTMENT.

SO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE ANYONE IN THIS ROOM WHO'S LOOKING TO BUILD A SUITE IN THEIR BASEMENT.

THOSE ECONOMICS ARE VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT A DEVELOPER'S ECONOMICS WOULD BE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

LAST QUESTION, AND I THINK THIS ONE GOT SENT IN WRITING BY ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES.

REALLY, JUST A QUESTION AROUND IT.

YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE PRESENTATION WE JUST HEARD ON THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND THE LARGER BEDROOMS THE RC ZONES SEEM TO BE, LIKE, MORE PREFERENTIALLY SUPPORTED THAN THE RESIDENTIAL INTENSIFICATION ZONES, AND I JUST WANTED TO CHECK.

IS THAT INTENTIONAL, OR WAS THAT, YOU KNOW? YEAH. CAN YOU JUST SHED SOME LIGHT ON THAT.

MISS WHITE? THANK YOU.

SO IT IS INTENTIONAL RIGHT NOW.

THERE ARE NO LANDS CURRENTLY ZONED RI.

SO RC WE HAVE A LOT OF LANDS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ZONED RC.

AS WE BRING NEW LAND ONTO MARKET, THE RI WILL HAVE A BENEFIT THAT IS HERE AS WELL AS WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED RI IN FUTURE TO THAT GRANT AND AMOUNT OF MONEY 25% ON LAND SALES WHICH HOPEFULLY WILL ADD TO THAT.

AGAIN THIS CAN COME BACK IN A YEAR IF WE HAVE RI LANDS AVAILABLE AND ON THE MARKET, MAYBE WE DO NEED TO CHANGE IT, BUT RIGHT NOW THERE'S CURRENTLY NO LAND ZONED RI.

THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THAT ANSWER.

YEAH JUST IT SEEMS CONFUSING.

I DO RECOGNIZE THERE'S NO LAND RESIDENTIAL INTENSIFICATION AT THE MOMENT, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING FROM OUR CONVERSATION, LIKE AT THE LAST COUPLE OF MEETINGS, WAS THAT WE REALLY WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT.

SO IS THERE IS THERE A REASON WHY WE WOULDN'T PUT IT IN NOW SO THAT IT IT HAS NOT JUST THE 25% LAND SALES, BUT ALSO THOSE OTHER BENEFITS AS SOON AS IT DOES COME INTO PLAY. IS THERE A REASON MAYBE TO WAIT OR.

MS. WHITE.

SO IT IS IN THERE. IT'S JUST WITH A DIFFERENT PERCENTAGE.

SO IT HAS SO THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ABATEMENT DOES INCLUDE RI ZONE.

IT'S JUST IT'S AT A DECLINING ABATEMENT RATE, WHEREAS THE RESIDENTIAL CENTRAL IS AT A 100% ABATEMENT.

SO IT IS THERE. IT'S JUST A LITTLE TWEAKED A LITTLE BIT.

I GUESS WOULD THE DIFFERENCE ALSO BE THAT RI IS GOING TO BE TECHNICALLY GREENFIELD VERSUS RC WILL HAVE TO BE A CONVERSION OR A DEMOLITION CLEANUP.

SO TRYING TO MAKE THE MATH BETTER ON DEVELOPING RC VERSUS RI.

MISS WHITE. THERE'S A NUMBER OF REASONS WHY RC IS IT MAY LOOK LIKE IT'S BEING FAVORED, BUT THEY ALSO WOULD HAVE MORE CHALLENGE WHERE THE MAYOR IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT RI WILL BE VACANT LAND COMING FROM THE CITY.

AWESOME. THANK YOU, AND WE'VE REACHED OUR 90 MINUTE MARK.

SO LET'S TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK AND COME BACK AT 1:45 P.M..

WE WILL CALL OUR MEETING BACK TO ORDER, AND I KNOW WE'VE GOT QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILLOR WARBURTON, BUT HE WANTED TO GO LAST. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON? OKAY, SO I'LL ASK MINE.

YES. OKAY. SO FOR SECTION 2.5.2 C IT TALKS ABOUT THAT YOU IF A BUILDING OR DEVELOPMENT. BASICALLY YOU CAN'T HAVE A DETACHED DWELLING OR SECONDARY SUITES.

OTHERWISE YOU'RE GOING TO BE INELIGIBLE.

SO I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT'S THE POLICY REASON BEHIND THAT?

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OH, YES, I FOUND IT.

SORRY. YES. THANK YOU.

OKAY, SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS AND SECONDARY SUITES, I GUESS THERE'S TWO PIECES TO LOOK AT.

IS THE MULTI-UNIT AND TOWNHOUSE ARE, WHEN THEY'RE INITIALLY BUILT, LEAST LIKELY DWELLINGS TO HAVE SUITES BUILT IN THEM AS WELL AS THE UNITS IN THE CENTRAL ESPECIALLY IN THE CENTER, ESPECIALLY IN TOWNHOMES THE ACCESS AND THE ABILITY TO CREATE THE SEPARATE ENTRANCES IS ALWAYS MUCH MORE DIFFICULT IN THE CENTER.

SO THEY'RE SPECIFICALLY LEFT OUT FOR THAT NEW BUILD.

USUALLY WHAT WE SEE WITH DUPLEXES, THEY'RE BUILT AS DUPLEXES, AND THEN THE HOMEOWNERS LATER ON, THROUGH THE LIFE CYCLE OF THE DWELLING, MAY SEEK TO PUT A DWELLING, A SECONDARY UNIT, EITHER IN THE LOWER FLOORS OR AS AN ACCESSORY UNIT.

WE TEND NOT TO SEE THAT WITH TOWNHOMES.

NOT TO SAY IT CAN'T BE DONE, BUT IT IS VERY UNLIKELY, AND I COULDN'T GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE IN YELLOWKNIFE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

I GUESS MY CONCERN, THOUGH, IS IN THE RI THE RESIDENTIAL INTENSIFICATION ZONE.

WE ALLOW MULTI-UNITS AND TOWNHOUSES TO HAVE DETACHED DWELLINGS OR SECONDARY SUITES.

SO ALTHOUGH IT'S UNLIKELY, I WOULD HATE TO SAY THOSE, YOU KNOW, A TOWNHOUSE THAT HAS A SECONDARY SUITE IS GOING TO BE SCREENED OUT, AND THE TOWNHOUSE THAT DOESN'T GETS IT, BECAUSE THE TOWNHOUSE WITH THE SECONDARY SUITE IS ACTUALLY PROVIDING MORE MORE HOUSING.

SO JUST WONDERING ABOUT THE ADVISABILITY OF DELETING, SEE WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT STILL HAS TO BE A MULTI-UNIT OR TOWNHOUSE. HOWEVER, IT COULD ALSO STILL HAVE DETACHED DWELLINGS OR SECONDARY SUITES.

MISS WHITE. THANK YOU.

SO I WOULD ADVISE IF AN ALTERATION WAS MADE TO MADE TO SECTION C OF 2.5.2 THAT IT STRIKE OR SECONDARY SUITES. I WOULD STILL KEEP THE REMAINDER OF THAT SECTION THERE.

YOU'RE RIGHT. IT IS UNLIKELY, BUT IT IS A POSSIBILITY, AND WHEN WE DRAFTED THE RI ZONE, THE RATIONALE WAS, WELL, AGAIN, IT MAY NOT INITIALLY BE BUILT WITH THOSE SECONDARY SUITES, ESPECIALLY AS A SEPARATE STRUCTURE THAT IN FUTURE OWNERS OF THOSE RI UNITS COULD ADD TO THE SITE AT SOME TIME IN THE FUTURE SHOULD THE NEED ARISE.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY THAT WAS THERE, BUT AN AMENDMENT TO SEE ISN'T I WOULDN'T BE ADVERSE TO IT.

THANK YOU. WOULD COUNCIL BE OKAY WITH STRIKING OR SECONDARY SUITES.

SO IT'S JUST THE BUILDING OR DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT INCLUDE A DETACHED DWELLING.

SEEING THUMBS UP AND NODDING HEADS.

OKAY, SO WE'LL MAKE THAT BEFORE IT COMES FORWARD FOR FIRST READING.

I, UNDERSTAND NOW THE RC VERSUS RI WHY RI HAS THE SLIDING THE DECLINING FIVE YEAR ABATEMENT.

JUST WONDERING THOUGH FOR 2.5.5 IT'S SAYING COUNCIL MAY IN ITS SOLE DISCRETION EXTEND THE FIVE YEAR TAX ABATEMENT FOR THE RESIDENTIAL CENTRAL ZONE, AND WE'RE NOT OFFERING THAT FOR EITHER RI OR DT, AND DT I THINK HAS SIMILAR CHALLENGES TO RC.

SO JUST WONDERING ABOUT WHY WE'RE ALLOWING AN ADDITIONAL FIVE YEARS FOR RC AND NOT FOR THE OTHER ZONES.

MISS WHITE. SO THIS WOULD APPLY FOR RC VERSUS RI, BUT YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT ABOUT THE DT.

SO FOR THE RC VERSUS RE THE VARIANCE OF USES THAT ARE AVAILABLE, THE COST TO DO A REDEVELOPMENT IN RC WAS PERCEIVED AS BEING GREATER AND MORE WORK REQUIRED THAN AN RI.

THE SIMILAR USES BETWEEN DOWNTOWN AND RC.

I DON'T HAVE THEM UP.

I WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK TO SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS FEASIBLE, BUT IF DIRECTED BY COUNCIL COULD DEFINITELY LOOK INTO DT, BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT OUR RI REMAIN NOT INCLUDED.

THANK YOU. YEAH, AND I'M OKAY WITH IT REMAINING JUST FOR RC AND NOT RI.

HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER DT BECAUSE IT IS ABOUT THE REVITALIZATION MERITS.

COUNCIL MADE ITS SOLE DISCRETION DECIDE NOT TO OFFER AN ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR AT RC OR DT, BUT IF WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE MORE DEVELOPMENT OF THE DOWNTOWN AT ANOTHER CARROT THERE.

SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF COUNCIL'S OPEN TO THAT CONSIDERATION.

OKAY, SO IF ADMINISTRATION WANTS TO MAKE THAT CHANGE FOR FIRST READING.

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I ALWAYS HAVE CONCERNS WITH WORDING LIKE THIS.

FOR ME, IT'S I JUST WANT IT TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING BYLAW.

IF WE START SAYING, YOU KNOW, IN THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE BYLAW, YOU HAVE THIS THE ZONING BYLAW, YOU'VE GOT THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, PEOPLE CAN APPEAL THE ZONING BYLAW AND PEOPLE CAN APPEAL IF THEY FEEL A DEVELOPMENT PERMIT HAS BEEN APPROVED, SUBJECT TO A CONDITION CONDITION THAT THEY CONSIDER TO BE UNREASONABLE, AND YOU CAN'T REFERENCE THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE BYLAW.

SO JUST WONDERING ABOUT WHY THE NEED TO INCLUDE THAT AND THEN WHETHER ADMINISTRATION WOULD BE OPEN TO REMOVING THAT LINE.

MISS WHITE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THIS WAS ONE THAT WAS LEFT OVER BECAUSE LEGAL HAD ACTUALLY MENTIONED THE SAME THING, AND SO AFTER HAVING REVIEWED THE BYLAW MULTIPLE TIMES, THIS IS THE LEFTOVER.

SO I APOLOGIZE, AND I WOULD NOT OBJECT TO HAVING IT REMOVED IF DIRECTED SO BY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU.

GOT SOME THUMBS UP.

WE'LL REMOVE THAT ONE.

ON TO THE MONEY, MR. PANDOO. SO SOME OF THE GRANTS REQUIRE MONEY, LIKE THE EIS GRANT, BUT SOME OF THEM ARE LOST REVENUE, WHICH I FEEL LIKE IS AN ACCOUNTING ISSUE.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO NEED MONEY IN THE BANK TO PAY SOMEBODY A GRANT TO DO THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT.

BUT THEN THERE'S GRANTS TO COVER BUILDING PERMITS, AND I SEE THAT AS LOST REVENUE, BUT WE MIGHT NOT HAVE RECEIVED THAT AS REVENUE.

ANYWAYS, I SEE THAT AS MORE OF LIKE AN IN-KIND REVENUE.

SO TO MISS WHITE'S QUESTION ABOUT WHEN CAN WE PUT THIS BYLAW INTO EFFECT, I WOULD PREFER TO PUT IT INTO EFFECT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE I SEE AS KIND OF ACCOUNTING.

SO I GUESS, BUT MY QUESTION IS, DO WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO RAISE TAXES TO COVER ANY LOST REVENUE? IF THERE ISN'T AN INCREASE IN THE EXPENSE? MISS WHITE.

IF I COULD ANSWER FIRST AND THEN PASS TO KATHY.

SO ALL OF THE HOUSING RELATED GRANTS.

THOSE WILL BE PUT INTO THE ACCOUNT THAT WOULD NORMALLY.

SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ACTUALLY SEE A LOSS IN REVENUE FOR THE BUILDING PERMIT AND DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.

SO THOSE WILL STILL BE IN THE REVENUES UNDER BUILDING AND PLANNING.

SO THAT WOULD BE A 0% INCREASE IN TAXES, AND SAME WITH THAT 25% GRANT FOR LAND PRICE.

THAT'S GOING TO BE A GRANT FROM THE HALF GOING INTO THE LAND FUND.

SO THERE WILL BE A 0% EXCHANGE OVER THERE, BUT AS TO THE OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL HAND IT TO KAVI.

THANK YOU. BECAUSE I JUST I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE LIKE IF WE GET THREE REQUESTS FOR A TAX ABATEMENT AND THE TAX ABATEMENT EQUALS $50,000, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO ACTUALLY LIKE INCREASE TAXES TO MAKE IT ZERO? OR CAN WE KIND OF ISSUE AN UNLIMITED AMOUNT OF TAX ABATEMENTS? MR. PANDOO. WELL, TO YOUR SECOND QUESTION, THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION FOR A STUDIO.

SECOND QUESTION.

NO, WE CAN'T HAVE AN UNLIMITED.

[LAUGHTER] BUT JUST TO GIVE A CONTEXT.

CURRENTLY WE DO BUDGET $80,000 IN TAX ABATEMENT, AND HISTORICALLY, WE DON'T GIVE OUT MUCH.

LAST TIME WE DID WAS AROUND 28,000 AND 22 THERE WAS ZERO.

2021 0 IN 2020 WAS AROUND 7,000.

SO WITH THAT HISTORY IN MIND, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD NECESSARILY INCREASE TAXES, BUT AGAIN, IT'S A VERY THERE'S NOT A CLEAR YES AND NO.

DEPENDS ON WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AT THE TIME WE'RE DECIDING, BUT NO IT WOULDN'T BE YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I WOULD HESITATE TO SAY CLEAR YES AND NO, BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON A LOT OF FACTORS AT THE TIME OF THE BUDGET.

THANKS. THANK YOU.

YEAH. I JUST WANT TO TRY TO MAXIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF INCENTIVES WE ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE AND SOME INCENTIVES I SEE AS A LOST REVENUE, AND OTHERS ARE ACTUAL DOLLARS THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED IN THE BANK ACCOUNT.

SO ONE QUESTION ON THE HALF FUNDING.

DO WE HAVE MONEY AVAILABLE TO BE SPENT IN 2024 ON GRANTS, MISS WHITE? YES WE DO.

OKAY, SO I WOULD BE GOOD WITH MAKING THIS BYLAW COME INTO EFFECT WHEN WE APPROVE IT BECAUSE THE EARLIEST WE COULD APPROVE IT WOULD BE OCTOBER 28TH,

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SO I THINK WE HOPEFULLY WILL BE OKAY WITH THE BUDGET.

WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THE DOWNTOWN IMPROVEMENT RESERVE FOR ME, I'M HAPPY TO OPEN UP ANOTHER RESERVE AND TRANSFER SOME MONEY FROM THE DOWNTOWN IMPROVEMENT RESERVE TO THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE RESERVE, BUT I THINK BOTH RESERVES ARE IMPORTANT.

SO I'D LIKE TO KEEP THE FUNDING, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT 25% OF PARKING METERS GOING STRICTLY TO THE DOWNTOWN IMPROVEMENT RESERVE, BECAUSE THEN WE CAN CONCRETELY SHOW YOU SPENT MONEY DOWNTOWN AND WE'RE SPENDING THAT MONEY DOWNTOWN VERSUS, YOU KNOW, TAKING ALL THAT MONEY AND PUTTING IT IN THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE RESERVE.

WE CAN'T NECESSARILY SOMETIMES IT MIGHT GO TO INDUSTRIAL RELOCATION.

SO BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, DID WE DOES IT IMPACT THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE BYLAW IF WE DON'T TRANSFER THAT WHOLE 730,000 FROM THE DOWNTOWN IMPROVEMENT RESERVE TO A DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE RESERVE? MISS WHITE? I THINK MAYBE I SHOULD PROVIDE SOME CLARIFICATION.

ALL WE ARE PROPOSING TO DO WITH THE AMENDMENT TO THE FINANCIAL ADMINISTRATION BY LAW IS CHANGE THE NAME OF THE RESERVE.

WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO CREATE A NEW RESERVE.

WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO TRANSFER ANY MONEY.

WE'RE JUST CHANGING THE NAME OF IT.

SO HOPEFULLY THAT CLARIFIES IT.

THANK YOU, AND FOR ME, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF RENAMING IT.

I WANT TO CREATE A NEW RESERVE AND CALL IT THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE RESERVE, AND THEN I WOULD TRANSFER 141,000 FROM THE DOWNTOWN RESERVE TO THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE RESERVE, BECAUSE THAT 141,000 WAS FROM LAND SALES THAT WERE ACCUMULATED ACROSS THE CITY.

SO I THINK THOSE SALES IT'S OKAY TO SUPPORT DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE ACROSS THE CITY, BUT I WOULDN'T BE IN SUPPORT OF BASICALLY REMOVING THE DOWNTOWN RESERVE BECAUSE I THINK IT HAS A PURPOSE AND NEEDS TO REMAIN THERE.

SO THAT'S WHERE I'M WONDERING IF WE DON'T HAVE 730,000 TO KICK OFF THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE RESERVE, ARE WE HAVING AN IMPACT ON THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE? MISS WHITE? SO THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES HAVE BEEN DESIGNED BASED ON THAT 700,000.

SO IF THAT MONEY IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE THEN I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND YOU PASS THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES BYLAW.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE IMPACT OF REMOVING THAT.

AGAIN, I'M OKAY WITH TRANSFERRING 141,000 FROM THE DOWNTOWN RESERVE TO THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE, BUT I DO THINK THAT MONEY FROM DOWNTOWN SHOULD CONTINUE TO SUPPORT DOWNTOWN, AND THAT'S WHERE I HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ACTUAL GRANTS THAT COST US MONEY, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY PEOPLE IN CHECKS VERSUS LOST REVENUE, WHICH ALL THOSE TAX ABATEMENTS, I SEE AS LOST REVENUE, AND THAT'S WHERE I'M WONDERING WHAT TYPE OF AN ACCOUNTING EXERCISE DO WE HAVE TO DO TO ACTUALLY TRY TO BALANCE THE BUDGET? MR. VAN DINE. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

SO I BELIEVE YOU SURFACED AN IMPORTANT QUESTION WITH RESPECT TO AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF US DE-EMPHASIZING THE IMPORTANCE OF THE DOWNTOWN.

AND THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT SOMETHING WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE, AND IF WE'RE AND IF THAT IS THE CASE, THEN WE CAN GIVE SOME CONSIDERATION ON HOW TO ADJUST, BUT IN TERMS OF THE DOLLARS AN THE CENTS AND THE INCENTIVE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE, WE ARE TRYING TO BE MINDFUL OF MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING A MULTIPLE SET OF RESERVES FOR ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT PURPOSES, THAT BEING SAID, WE WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE TAKE THIS ONE BACK AND GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE THOUGHT, BUT AS MISS WHITE HAS POINTED OUT, WE DID BUDGET INTO OUR CONTRIBUTIONS OF THIS INCENTIVES BYLAW.

THOSE RESOURCES WE HAVE AVAILABLE, IN ADDITION TO THOSE THAT WE ARE RECEIVING FROM THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT A ROBUST PROGRAM THAT SATISFIES THEIR REQUIREMENTS. SO WE ARE A LITTLE BIT REQUIRED TO PUT A LITTLE BIT OF SKIN IN THE GAME, IF YOU WILL, AND THAT'S WHAT THE AVAILABLE AMOUNTS, BUT IF THERE IS AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE POTENTIALLY, OF CREATING SOME OTHER PERCEPTION OR REAL RISK OF NOT GIVING THE CITY THE ABILITY OR THE MANEUVERABILITY TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL I GUESS, INCENTIVES TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT OF THE DOWNTOWN, THEN WE SHOULD GIVE THAT SOME MORE THOUGHT AND THE PRESENTATION OF THIS BYLAW. THANK YOU, AND I'M TO BE CLEAR, I AM OKAY WITH AGAIN, THAT 141 MOVE FROM DOWNTOWN

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AND I'M ALSO OKAY WITH ANY GRANT OR TAX ABATEMENT FOR A PROJECT IN THE DOWNTOWN.

AGAIN, DOING A TRANSFER FROM THE DOWNTOWN RESERVE TO THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE RESERVE, BUT I WOULDN'T BE IN SUPPORT OF DOING A BLOCK TRANSFER OF 730 RIGHT THERE.

SO THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, IF THERE IS, YOU KNOW, WE RECEIVED A SECONDARY SUITE REQUEST IN THE DOWNTOWN LOOKING TO TRANSFER 20,000 FROM ONE RESERVE TO THE OTHER.

HAPPY TO SUPPORT THAT, BUT TAKING 20,000 FROM THE DOWNTOWN RESERVE TO SUPPORT FINLAYSON, I DON'T SUPPORT THAT.

SO THAT'S WHERE I'M, AND IF ADMINISTRATION YEAH CAN TAKE IT BACK AND KIND OF TAKE A LOOK INTO THIS TO SEE ABOUT THE IMPACT OF NOT DOING THAT FULL 730 TRANSFER, THAT'D BE GREAT.

MR. VAN DINE.

THANK YOU. I THINK MISS WHITE HAS SOMETHING TO ADD TO THE CONVERSATION.

THANK YOU. SO THE 141,000 ISH DOLLARS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ACTUALLY ISN'T IN THAT RESERVE YET, BECAUSE UNTIL THE REVITALIZATION RESERVE IS CLOSED, THAT MONEY DOESN'T ACTUALLY TRANSFER.

SO THERE ISN'T $141,000 TO TRANSFER.

SO WE WILL TAKE IT BACK AS MR. VAN DINE SAID, AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, AND IN FACT, THERE WE GO.

I WOULD BE JUST IN SUPPORT OF RENAMING THE REVITALIZATION INITIATIVE RESERVE TO THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE RESERVE, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I WANT A DOWNTOWN IMPROVEMENT, AND I WOULD SAY WE ALSO NEED TO BE CONSISTENT AND ACTUALLY CALL THE DOWNTOWN IMPROVEMENT RESERVE, WHICH IS THE FINANCIAL ADMINISTRATION BYLAW. IN THE BUDGET DOCUMENT, WE TEND TO CALL IT THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT RESERVE.

SO JUST BEING CLEAR, ACTUALLY, I LIKE THE FINANCIAL ADMINISTRATION BYLAWS WORDING.

SO HAPPY TO WAIT FOR MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.

COUNCILLOR WARBURTON. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, AND THANKS.

THIS IS A GREAT PACKAGE.

SO JUST GOING BACK TO THE AFFORDABLE THE DEFINITION OF AFFORDABLE HOME OWNERSHIP.

SO JUST TO BE SUPER CRYSTAL CLEAR, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO HAVE FOR DEFINITION IN OUR BYLAW FOR HALF.

CORRECT. MISS WHITE.

DO WE NEED 110% TO HAVE IT? NO, IT IS IN THERE BECAUSE IT MATCHES THE PROGRAMING.

SO IF SOMEONE WAS LOOKING TO STACK AS WELL AS IT IS THE DEFINITION USED BY THE HOUSING ACCELERATOR FUND.

DEFINITIONS REALLY THEY'RE THERE TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION.

SO IT'S STRONGLY RECOMMENDED THAT IT SHOULD BE IN THERE.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

THANKS. YEAH. MY CONCERN IS THAT A LOT OF THE FINANCING THAT CMHC DOES ONLY USES THE INCOME PORTION.

THEY DON'T USE THE AVERAGE RENT PORTION, AND AS WE'VE DISCUSSED, THE AVERAGE RENT PORTION IS EGREGIOUSLY INCORRECT.

SO IF IT IS POSSIBLE TO REMOVE THAT PART AND LEAVE THE REST, WHICH IS THE PERCENTILES AND THE, THE CMHC NUMBER FOR AVERAGE RENT OR INCOME, THAT KIND OF THING, THAT WOULD BE GREAT, BUT THE IF WE DON'T NEED THAT FIRST PART, WHICH IS THE AVERAGE RENTS BASICALLY BECAUSE THE LOWER WILL ALWAYS BE THE AVERAGE RENT, BECAUSE IT'S A LOT DIFFERENT THAN THE ACTUAL INCOMES AND NUMBERS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND THEY'LL HAVE AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE WHICH WILL NEGATE MOST AFFORDABLE HOMEOWNERSHIP METRICS, BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN HIT THAT NUMBER AND BUILD SOMETHING.

SO IF THAT WAS POSSIBLE TO STRIKE OUT, I WOULD WANT TO DO THAT.

MISS WHITE, THE ADVISABILITY OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION AND BRING BACK.

SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING I WOULD ADVISE AT THIS TIME, BUT I WILL.

I'VE MADE A NOTE, TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN RECOMMEND IN THE FUTURE.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

THANK YOU. SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE LIST HERE.

SO I NOTICED IN THE SLIDE, THE TABLE WHICH YOU SAID WAS PREVIOUS AND NOT IN THE ACTUAL BYLAW.

THE TABLE HAD INCLUSIONARY ZONING AND KIND OF A DEFINITION, BUT I DIDN'T SEE THAT ANYWHERE IN THE BYLAW.

SO IS THAT NOT IN THE BYLAW ANYWHERE? MISS WHITE. THANK YOU.

SO IT'S NOT IN THE BYLAW THAT WOULD ACTUALLY NEED TO BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING BYLAW.

SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF ITEMS IN THOSE TABLES THAT ARE FUTURE ITEMS OR IN-KIND THAT THE CITY SHOULD BE LOOKING AT, AND AGAIN FOLLOWING DIRECTION FROM CITY COUNCIL.

WE WOULD DO IT AT A LATER DATE.

IT IS NOT PART OF THE INCENTIVES BYLAW ITSELF.

THANK YOU. OKAY. GREAT.

LATER CONVERSATION. IT'S GOOD.

OKAY. SO 2.2.1 B VACANT.

SO VACANT LAND SECTION.

WHAT'S THE RATIONALE BEHIND HAVING THE LAND VACANT?

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MISS WHITE. SO THE RATIONALE, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, IS SPECIFICALLY IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, THERE ARE PLOTS THAT HAVE BEEN VACANT AND OR USED AS PARKING LOTS FOR 10, 15, 30 YEARS.

IT'S REALLY TO TARGET THOSE WHERE THERE ARE LOTS THAT ARE VACANT AND THEY ARE VACANT LESS THAN THE FIVE YEARS.

I THINK WE ALL KNOW WHAT SOME OF THOSE WERE AND THE RESIDENTIAL INCENTIVES, SHOULD THEY WANT TO REBUILD WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE WOULD PROBABLY BE EQUAL TO OR EXCEED WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THIS VACANT LAND INCENTIVE.

THANK YOU. AWESOME.

THANK YOU, AND THEN IT'S IN A NUMBER OF SECTIONS THERE, 2.3, 2.4, 2.5 AROUND THE AFFORDABILITY, AND THE REQUIREMENT TO OFFER IT FOR SALE TO OTHER PUBLIC HOUSING OR TO A NONPROFIT.

THAT READS TO ME AS ONLY SALE OPTIONS, BUT WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF MULTIFAMILY KIND OF BUY AND HOLD STUFF BEING BUILT.

SO HOW WOULD THAT WORK IF SOMEONE WASN'T SELLING CONDOS OR SELLING UNITS AND THEY HAD RENTALS? HOW WOULD THAT WORK? MISS WHITE? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

SO IT'S FOR RENTALS OR SALES AND BASICALLY WOULD INCLUDE ANYBODY WHO IS IDENTIFIED IN THE BYLAW OR MEETS THAT GNWT DEFINITION. SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO REPEAT THE SAME TERMS BUT IT WOULD INCLUDE RENTALS.

ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU.

OKAY, AND TO BE CLEAR THIS IS ONLY IF THEY WANT THE ABATEMENT.

THIS IS NOT PROPOSED IN ANY OTHER KIND OF AMENDMENT TO A BYLAW.

RIGHT. MISS WHITE? CORRECT. THANK YOU.

2.4.3. JUST CURIOUS WHY COMMERCIAL IS ALLOWED TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT CALCULATION, BUT NOT IN THE DT ZONE.

BIT OF SIMILAR TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE.

MISS WHITE. FOUR POINT.

TWO POINT. 2.4.3 [INAUDIBLE].

WHICH IS ANY GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL IMPROVEMENT COMBINED WITH DEVELOPMENT IS ELIGIBLE RESIDENTIAL PROJECT.

SO THIS SECTION IS ALLOWED BUT I KNOW IT'S IN DOWNTOWN.

IT'S NOT INCLUDED OR ALLOWED TO INCLUDE THE COMMERCIAL SECTION.

I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHY THAT IS.

SO THIS WAS AN INCENTIVE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE RESIDENTIAL CENTRAL AREA.

WE DON'T SEE MUCH MIXED USE GOING IN THERE.

SO IT'S REALLY JUST TO TRY TO BE A CATALYST TO GET THAT GOING DOWNTOWN.

WE SEE MIXED USE ALMOST ON EVERY SINGLE SITE.

SO THIS IS TO TRY TO BRING THOSE MIXED USE IDEAS AND DEVELOPMENTS TO A DIFFERENT ZONE.

THANK YOU. AWESOME.

THANK YOU. 3.1 ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY.

GREAT TO SEE THERE'S A LOT OF BROWNFIELD SITES WE KNOW AROUND TOWN.

I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHY IT WAS FOCUSED PRIMARILY ON PHASE TWO ENVIRONMENTAL.

BECAUSE PHASE ONE COMES BEFORE PHASE TWO AND PHASE ONE IS THE EXPENSIVE FIRST BIT.

SO WHY WAS IT JUST A PHASE TWO AND WHY IS IT NOT OR DOES IT APPLY TO PHASE ONE.

LIKE HOW DOES IT WORK I GUESS.

MISS WHITE. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

SO IT'S FOR BOTH.

SO YOU CAN STACK THE TWO TOGETHER UP TO THAT MAXIMUM AMOUNT DEPENDING ON THE SITE.

PHASE ONE ACTUALLY MIGHT NOT BE AS EXPENSIVE AS PHASE TWO.

SO IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE SITE, WHICH IS WHY WE DIDN'T WANT TO PICK ONE OVER THE OTHER.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

SO IT ASSUMES PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO.

OKAY. GOOD.

4.4 YOU HAVE A MINIMUM OF TWO ACCESSIBLE UNITS FOR ANYTHING FOUR OR MORE.

BASICALLY IS OUR CRITERIA AND DEFINITION FOR A UNIVERSALLY ACCESSIBLE UNIT THE SAME AS CMHC? MISS WHITE.

CMHC POINTS TO THE NATIONAL BUILDING CODE.

THEREFORE, OUR BUILDING BYLAW ADOPTS THE NATIONAL BUILDING CODE.

SO YES. THANK YOU, AND APOLOGIES I MISSED IT EARLIER, BUT WHERE WE REFERRED TO THE ACCESSIBILITY COMMITTEE THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE BYLAW DRAFT, RIGHT? CORRECT. MISS WHITE.

NOPE. THAT IS CORRECT. THANK YOU.

4.6. IS THAT PER DWELLING OR PER BUILDING? GOING BACK TO WHAT I WAS SAYING BEFORE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A SIX UNIT BUILDING, DOES THAT COUNT AS 1 OR 16, I GUESS, FOR THE GRANT PURPOSES.

MISS WHITE, AND COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND.

HOUSING GRANTS, SECTION 4.6.

I'M JUST SCROLLING ONE SECOND.

MISSING MIDDLE CONVERSION GRANT.

IT SAYS MAXIMUM 50,000 PER DWELLING.

SO IS THIS LIKE PER UNIT? IN A SAY IT'S A ROW OF TOWNHOUSES OR IS IT PER DEVELOPMENT? YEAH. MISS WHITE, I'M SORRY, I DON'T SEE MAXIMUM OF 50,000.

I'M SORRY.

50% OF THE COST OF CONVERSION TO A MAXIMUM OF 25,000 PER DWELLING.

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THANK YOU. THAT IS IT FOR NOW. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

ONTO QUESTIONS FOR ROUND TWO.

COUNCILLOR FEQUET.

THANKS, MADAM CHAIR.

JUST DOING QUICK MATH IN MY HEAD.

IT WOULD BE A GREAT PROBLEM IF PEOPLE USED ALL OF THESE GRANTS AND ABATEMENTS RIGHT AWAY.

THAT'S A GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE, BUT LOOKING AT KAVI, BECAUSE I GUESS I THOUGHT I HEARD THE NUMBER LIKE 80,000 OR SOMETHING, AND YOU HAD SHARED SOME OF THE PAST LOW APPLICATION YEARS WHERE IT WAS LIKE 7000 OR WHATEVER.

SO RECOGNIZING SOME OF THE VERY LARGE DEVELOPMENTS WE HAVE THAT ARE COMING ONLINE HERE IN THE NEXT YEAR, WHAT IS OUR BUDGET ASSUMPTIONS MOVING FORWARD AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH THIS? MISS WHITE? THANK YOU.

I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THREE DIFFERENT THINGS.

ABATEMENTS COME OUT OF THE 80,000 THAT KAVI IS TALKING ABOUT, THE GRANTS THAT ARE NOT RELATED TO HOUSING COME WERE BUDGETED TO COME OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE RESERVE, WHICH WE ARE NOW GOING TO REVIEW.

SO THAT'S GOT THE 700,000.

ALL THE HOUSING IS OUT OF THE HALF.

SO THERE WOULDN'T BE BUDGET IMPLICATIONS FOR ANY OF THE GRANTS COMING OUT OF KAVI'S 80,000, BECAUSE THE GRANTS DON'T COME OUT OF THE 80,000.

TO KAVI. THANK YOU.

EVERYTHING THAT MS. WHITE SAID, AND I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF CLARIFY, MAYBE EXPAND A LITTLE BIT.

THE ABATEMENT IS, YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED LOSS OF REVENUE.

SO THE WAY WE LOOK AT IT IS, IS A COST OF DOING BUSINESS.

THERE'S A REASON.

SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO THE REASON I WAS I DID SAY IT'S NOT A STRAIGHT YES OR NO IS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT CHASING THE LOSS OF REVENUE BECAUSE IT'S NOT A LOSS OF REVENUE PER SE.

IT'S A COST OF DOING BUSINESS.

THAT'S ALL I JUST WANTED TO JUST CLARIFY, AND YES, MISS WHITE DID CLARIFY ON ALL THE ON THE QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU.

THANKS. THANKS.

THAT'S AWESOME.

COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.

ONE LAST ONE JUST AROUND.

THE BYLAW ADMINISTRATION SAYS APPLICANTS MUST ENTER INTO AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY PRIOR TO OBTAINING DEVELOPMENT OR BUILDING PERMITS.

SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO TO KIND OF LET PEOPLE KNOW BEFORE THEY START SUBMITTING PERMITS THAT THESE EXIST? WHAT'S OUR PLAN TO KIND OF PUSH THAT OUT? SO FOLKS DON'T MISS THAT? BECAUSE THAT'S A KEY COMPONENT. IF WE DON'T HAVE IT APPLIED FOR, YOU CAN'T GET IT AFTER MISS WHITE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO OUR COMMUNICATIONS STAFF HAVE THIS GREAT PROCESS WHERE BEFORE WE EVEN GET TO THIS POINT, WE HAVE TO KIND OF DO A WHOLE COMMUNICATIONS PLAN.

WE'VE ALSO WORKED WITH A THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT TO DESIGN GRAPHICS WITH INFORMATION PIECES TO BE USED FOR THAT PUBLIC INFORMATION, AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE UPDATING OUR WEBSITE.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO TACKLE IT FROM A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT POSITIONS, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WHEN PEOPLE ARE COMING IN, WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM JUST SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WE HAVE, BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ALREADY CALLING AND ASKING, WHERE IS THIS? LIKE, HOW LONG DO WE HAVE TO WAIT? WE HAVE BEEN TELLING THEM THAT THE PROPOSAL TO COUNCIL INCLUDES CANNOT BE BACKWARDS.

IT ONLY GOES FORWARD SO PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF THAT, AND WE ARE AWARE WE KNOW A NUMBER OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE KIND OF WAITING FOR THIS BASED ON THAT TERM.

THANK YOU, AND BACK TO THAT 700,000 RESERVE.

IS THAT USED, IS THAT RESERVE BEEN USED IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS LIKE LIKE IS IT IS IT DOING WHAT IT'S DESIGNED TO DO OR IS IT JUST BEEN GROWING CASH AND NOT BEING USED? WE'VE USED IT FOR STREET OUTREACH AS WELL AS THIS YEAR WAS THE DOWNTOWN CLEANUP, THE PRESSURE WASHING? BUT ANYTHING FURTHER, MISS WHITE? UNFORTUNATELY, IT HAS NOT BEEN USED FOR DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES.

THANK YOU. I'M GOOD.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN.

COUNCILLOR WARBURTON JUST TOOK ME DOWN THAT TRAIN, BUT I WAS GOING TO GO THERE ANYWAY.

JUST REGARDING THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT RESERVE.

IF AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ALONG THE WAY, PLEASE, BUT ONLY MY UNDERSTANDING.

ONLY 25% OF PARKING FEES COLLECTED CURRENTLY GO TO THAT RESERVE, AND THE OTHER 75% GOES INTO GENERAL REVENUE AS IT IS, CORRECT.

MR. PANDOO.

THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.

SO, I MEAN, FOR ME, I KNOW WHAT THE MAYOR IS SAYING IN TERMS OF TRYING TO SPEND MONEY COLLECTED FROM DOWNTOWN TO STAY IN DOWNTOWN, BUT FOR ME, WE'RE ALREADY SPENDING THE MAJORITY OF THE FUNDS ON WORK IN THE REST OF THE CITY AS COUNCILLOR WARBURTON JUST ASKED A QUESTION AND GOT AN ANSWER TO.

IT'S NOT REALLY BEING UTILIZED EFFECTIVELY RIGHT NOW FOR CURRENT DOWNTOWN INCENTIVES.

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SO FOR ME, I'M PERFECTLY FINE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FROM ADMINISTRATION AS IT IS AND MOVING FORWARD.

SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.

THANKS. THANKS.

YEAH AND FOR ME IF ADMIN CAN COME BACK AND AT LEAST SHOW THAT BECAUSE THEN WE CAN EXPLAIN, YOU KNOW, WE DID COLLECT THIS MONEY.

HOWEVER, GOING FORWARD, X PERCENT, WE ANTICIPATE BEING SUPPORTING DOWNTOWN PROJECTS.

GREAT CHECKS BOX.

SO YEAH.

I DID HAVE A QUESTION I FORGOT TO ASK.

IS ON VACANT BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT VACANT PROPERTY, AND A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT UNDERUSED PROPERTY, AND SO WHEN WE SAY THAT THERE'S IS VACANT OF STRUCTURES, THEN TAKING A LOOK AT THE ZONING BYLAW LIKE, IF YOU HAVE A DILAPIDATED SHED ON IT, IT'S NOT VACANT.

IT HAS A STRUCTURE ON IT, AND IF YOU HAVE FOR A PARKING LOT, IF YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING THAT CAN CARS CAN PLUG INTO, IT'S NOT VACANT, IT'S UNDERUSED AND WE'D APPRECIATE YOU HAVING A BETTER USE, BUT SO JUST WONDERING IF, AND AT FIRST I THOUGHT MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE A STRUCTURE DEFINITION, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY PROBABLY BEST THAT WE KEEP IT AS A ZONING BYLAW THING, BUT JUST WONDERING ABOUT HOW MANY ACTUAL VACANT LOTS AND HOW DO WE AND IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO REGARDING UNDERUTILIZED LOTS? MISS WHITE SO THERE WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS WE'RE TRYING TO CAPTURE THOSE PROPERTIES THAT WHILE UNDER, SAY, THE ZONING BYLAW MAY HAVE A USE.

WE HAVE A NUMBER OF USES IN THE ZONING BYLAW THAT CAN BE ON A PROPERTY WITHOUT A STRUCTURE.

SO THINK OF A STORAGE FACILITY OUT IN CAMP.

RIGHT. SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF USES THAT DON'T ACTUALLY REQUIRE STRUCTURES OR MAY HAVE, AS YOU SAY, KIOSKS OR A RUNDOWN STRUCTURE.

WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS SOMETHING THAT ISN'T A PROPERTY THAT IS NOT TO THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THAT PROPERTY, AND AS I SAID SPECIFICALLY, WE KNOW THAT 40% IN THE DOWNTOWN THAT COULD BE BETTER UTILIZED FOR OTHER DEVELOPMENTS.

SO IT'S NOT TIED TO VACANT AS IN IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THE SITE.

IT'S THAT IT IS NOT BEING FULLY UTILIZED AND DOESN'T TIE TO THAT ZONING BYLAW BECAUSE THIS IS A SEPARATE BYLAW.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

I GUESS MY QUESTION, THOUGH, IS JUST IF ADMINISTRATION CAN TAKE A LOOK AT 2.2 AGAIN, BECAUSE 2.2.1 IS THE PROPERTY IS VACANT OF STRUCTURES AND IF WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINITION OF STRUCTURES I ASSUME WE GO WITH THE ZONING BYLAWS DEFINITION, AND A DILAPIDATED SHED IS A STRUCTURE.

SO I WOULD LIKE UNDERUTILIZED TO BE ABLE TO DO THE, THE VACANT PROPERTY, AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO ACTUALLY DO THAT.

MR. VAN DINE.

YES, ABSOLUTELY.

THANKS FOR RAISING THAT ISSUE.

ONE IMPORTANT PIECE TO JUST PUT OUT THERE IS THAT AS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS, THIS NEW APPROACH TO INCENTIVES, WE'LL DEVELOP A CERTAINLY, HOPEFULLY SOME PROGRESS THAT WE CAN MEASURE AND POINT TO AND SEE SOME THINGS STARTING TO TURN AROUND.

AS MISS WHITE HAS POINTED OUT, IF THERE ARE NOT GETTING THE RESULTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, THAT WILL GIVE US OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT OTHER THINGS, AND SO WHAT WE'VE PUT IN THIS PARTICULAR PACKAGE BEFORE, COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION TODAY IS ABSOLUTELY ON THE INCENTIVE SIDE.

IF THERE WERE SOME OTHER PIECES WITH RESPECT TO PENALTIES OR OTHER MEASURES TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO DO THE RIGHT THING THAT WE HAVEN'T CONSIDERED YET, WE WOULD CERTAINLY BE OPEN TO DOING THAT ANALYSIS AND BRINGING IT FORWARD TO TRY AND ENCOURAGE THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, OR AT LEAST SUGGESTING IN THE MEANTIME, I THINK THE QUESTION WITH RESPECT TO THE DEFINITION OF STRUCTURE IS ONE THAT WE'LL TAKE ON BOARD AND WE'LL LOOK AT AND SEE IF WE CAN WE CAN ADDRESS THAT IN THE SHORT TERM.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.

ANYTHING FURTHER FROM COUNCILLOR PAYNE? I'M JUST GOING TO KICK THE DT TO DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION FUND COURSE AGAIN JUST ONCE MORE.

DO WE HAVE A FUNDING POLICY IN PLACE THAT TELLS US HOW MUCH MONEY WE'D LIKE TO HAVE IN THAT FUND, OR LIKE WE'RE RIGHT NOW, WE'RE PUTTING 25% OF THE OF THE PARKING REVENUE.

DOES THAT INCLUDE TICKET REVENUE AS WELL? NO, I THINK IT'S ONLY PARKING METERS, BUT, MR. PANDOO, YOU'RE CORRECT.

NO FINES. THIS IS JUST EXCLUSIVELY JUST REVENUE FROM PARKING.

OKAY, AND HOW MUCH? LIKE ON. I DON'T NEED AN EXACT AMOUNT.

JUST A BALLPARK.

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ONE RIGHT NOW IT'S ABOUT $100,000 A YEAR.

IT WAS STOPPED FOR A PERIOD OF TIME BECAUSE THERE IS NO POLICY IN PLACE.

SO THERE WAS A NUMBER OF YEARS WHERE $0 WAS BEING ADDED TO THE FUND AND IT WAS BEING UTILIZED FOR OTHER THINGS.

SO TO THAT POINT IN THERE, THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT EVERY YEAR, 25% OF THE PARKING METER FEES GOES INTO THIS ACCOUNT. THANK YOU.

OKAY. IT'S COUNCIL THAT SAYS CAN PLAY AROUND WITH IT.

SO WE DECREASE THE TAX RATE BY NOT TRANSFERRING.

OR THEN WE'VE FUNDED STREET OUTREACH FROM THE DOWNTOWN RESERVE INSTEAD OF THROUGH TAXES TO TRY TO DECREASE THE TAX IMPACT BUT THERE'S NO POLICY.

IT'S JUST THE FINANCIAL ADMINISTRATION POLICY SAYS THAT WE'LL HAVE A RESERVE.

IT'S CALLED THE DOWNTOWN IMPROVEMENT RESERVE TO IMPROVE THE DOWNTOWN PERIOD.

OKAY, AND OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE NOT USING IT THE WAY THAT IT WAS INTENDED TO BE USED WHEN WE PUT THIS FUND IN PLACE.

HOW MUCH RIGHT NOW IS THAT FUND SITTING AT.

OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S AT LEAST 700,000.

DO WE KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH IS IN THAT FUND? PROBABLY WILL. NOVEMBER 12TH.

WE'LL HAVE THE ACCURATE NUMBER FOR THIS YEAR, BUT I THINK IN IT WAS THE 730 FOR, BUT MR. PANDOO SORRY I DON'T I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER BUT I CAN CERTAINLY BRING THE NUMBER NEXT MONDAY.

THANK YOU. SORRY IF I MAY JUST EXPAND.

I MEAN WE ARE CURRENTLY IT'S GOOD WE ARE HAVING THE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT RESERVES AND FUNDS.

WE ARE AT THE MOMENT ASSESSING AND REVIEWING ALL OUR FUNDS AND ALL OUR RESERVES THAT WE HAVE.

OBVIOUSLY WITH TAKING ASSET MANAGEMENT AND LONG TERM FINANCIAL PLANNING INTO INTO THE EQUATION WITH THE NEW MARKET REALITIES.

SO WHAT SPECIFIC TO THIS RESERVE, IT WOULD BE GOOD IF COUNCIL CAN PROBABLY CLARIFY AND PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIRECTION TO WHAT IT MEANS BY PROJECT BECAUSE FROM YOU KNOW, I HEARD CLEANING OF THE SIDEWALKS MAYBE YOU KNOW WHEN WE IN A DAY TO DAY CONVERSATION MAYBE THAT IS TERMED AS A PROJECT FROM A LONG TERM FINANCIAL CAPITAL PLANNING. IT IS NOT A PROJECT.

SO THOSE NUANCES DO MATTER, AND IT WOULD BE GREAT IF NEXT MONDAY WE CAN HAVE A VERY IN-DEPTH CONVERSATION AROUND THOSE FUNDS AND RESERVES.

THAT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY AND PROBABLY WILL BE MORE IN TUNE WITH EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING.

THANK YOU. THAT'S GOOD.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR FEQUET.

THANKS, MADAM CHAIR.

MAYBE JUST ONE LAST ONE.

GIVEN OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM REGARDING THE CORPORATE AND COMMUNITY ENERGY ACTION PLAN, COULD ADMIN JUST MAYBE ELABORATE ON HOW OR IF AND TO WHAT EXTENT? IF SO YOU KNOW, THOUGHTS AROUND DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES TO SUPPORT THAT PLAN, THE ACHIEVEMENT OF SOME OF THOSE TARGETS WAS DONE.

OR IF THAT'S A FUTURE PROJECT OR IS IT GOING TO BE DONE IN A DIFFERENT WAY? MISS WHITE? THAT IS GREAT QUESTION.

SO THE FIRST PART TO ANSWER THAT IS IN THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES BYLAW, WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME LEAD INCENTIVES THAT ARE BUILT IN THERE, AND ZERO APPLICATIONS WERE EVER MADE AND OR COMPLETED AND OR FUNDED BY THE EXISTING BYLAW.

SO THE APPROACH THAT WE'RE TAKING IS THERE IS CURRENTLY NOTHING IN THE DRAFT BYLAW THAT WE ARE PRESENTING TO COUNCIL.

HOWEVER, WE HAVE A REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITY COMING UP NEXT YEAR AS WE BUILD THE NEW CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, AND I'M NOT GOING TO STEAL HIS THUNDER.

THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES NOT JUST AT THE TERRITORIAL LEVEL, BUT AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL FOR FUNDING, WHICH IF THAT IS THE DIRECTION THAT COUNCIL WANTS TO GO IN.

WHEN YOU DEVELOP YOUR ACTION PLAN, ALL IT IS IS AN AMENDMENT TO THIS BYLAW.

SO NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE FORGOTTEN ABOUT, JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE DIRECTION, POLICY OR FUNDING FOR.

VERY MUCH OPEN TO FOR THE FUTURE.

THANK YOU.

DO HAVE BIKE RACKS AND SHARED VEHICLE GRANTS.

SO YEAH EV OPTIONS THERE.

COUNCILLOR WARBURTON? AGAIN, I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE BYLAW.

THERE'S CARSHARE IN THIS BYLAW.

SO IT SAYS FOR TENANT USE.

SO IS THAT EXCLUSIVE.

I'M THINKING MORE OF THE CARSHARE CO-OP.

BASICALLY IT'S EXCLUSIVELY FOR THAT BUILDING FOR THOSE TENANTS TO GET THAT INCENTIVE.

OR IS IT JUST A CARSHARE PROGRAM AT YOUR BUILDING?

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SO IT IS DIRECTLY TIED TO THERE ARE CONTRACTUAL WAYS THAT YOU COULD WORK WITH ANY CAR SHARE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

THANK YOU.

SEEING NOTHING FURTHER FOR NEXT STEPS, MR. VAN DINE, DOES ADMINISTRATION WANT TO COME FORWARD NEXT MONDAY WITH OR DO YOU NEED FURTHER TIME, OR DO YOU WANT TO KEEP IT OPEN TO A FUTURE GPC? I BELIEVE GIVEN THE SUBSTANTIVE DISCUSSIONS AND COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED, WE'D REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROCESS IT AND DO THE DUE DILIGENCE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE DOTTED THE I'S, CROSS THE T'S.

SO NOT NEXT WEEK.

OKAY, PERFECT.

WE'LL KEEP IT TO FUTURE GPC ONCE YOU'RE READY FOR THAT.

APPRECIATE THAT.

NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS A MEMORANDUM REGARDING AN UPDATE ON THE CITY'S CORPORATE AND COMMUNITY ENERGY ACTION PLAN 2015

[6. A memorandum regarding an update on the City’s Corporate and Community Energy Action Plan 2015 – 2025 and inform Council of the commencement of Climate Action Plan 2026 – 2036 project.]

MR. VAN DINE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE ITEM? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.

WE'LL BE TURNING IT OVER TO A CONSULTANT FOR SHORTLY, BUT I DO WANT TO JUST MAYBE UNDERSCORE THAT THIS IS MY FIRST UPDATE IN MY CURRENT CAPACITY, AND I WAS HAD MY EYES RAISED AND QUITE LARGE WHEN I LOOKED AT SOME OF THE TECHNICAL INFORMATION THAT WAS PRESENTED HERE.

SO I'M VERY MUCH LOOKING FORWARD TO SEE HOW COUNCIL REACTS TO THE INFORMATION THAT WILL BE PRESENTING TODAY AND TALK ABOUT OUR NEXT STEPS GOING FORWARD.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

OKAY. OKAY, AND THEN OH, THERE WE GO.

OKAY. GO BACK.

OKAY. GET STARTED.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS MALIHA TARIQ, AND TODAY I'LL BE PRESENTING TO YOU AN UPDATE ON THE CORPORATE AND COMMUNITY ENERGY ACTION PLAN.

YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED A MEMO AND A REPORT WITH DETAILS ON THE PROJECTS OF THIS PLAN, AND SO THIS PRESENTATION IS TO SUPPLEMENT WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU IN WRITING.

ON MAY 8TH, 2017, CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED THE CORPORATE AND COMMUNITY ENERGY ACTION PLAN, WHICH IS A TEN YEAR YOUR ENERGY ROADMAP.

ITS PURPOSE WAS TO ADVANCE THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE'S EFFORTS IN CLIMATE MITIGATION, WITH A FOCUS ON ENERGY AND COST EFFECTIVENESS.

IT SAID GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSION TARGETS CORPORATE AND COMMUNITY WIDE.

SO THE GRAPHICS ON THIS SLIDE WILL SHOW YOU THE CORPORATE AND OVERALL CORPORATE AND COMMUNITY ENERGY TARGETS.

SO LET'S START WITH CORPORATE WHICH WERE SET AT KEEPING ENERGY COSTS LOW INCREASING THE SHARE OF RENEWABLE ENERGY USE AND REDUCING GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS.

SO SORRY, I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THAT THE LEGEND THE COLORS HERE REPRESENT THE RED REPRESENTS PROJECTS NOT COMPLETED.

YELLOW WILL REPRESENT IN PROGRESS, AND IN FUTURE SLIDES, YOU'LL SEE THE COLOR GREEN WHICH WILL REPRESENT PROJECTS COMPLETED.

SO FOR CORPORATE, THESE THREE TARGETS WERE NOT ARE NOT ON TRACK TO BE ACHIEVED BY THE END OF 2025, ALTHOUGH WE DID MAKE SOME PROGRESS IN INCREASING OUR RENEWABLE ENERGY USE AND DECREASING OUR GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS.

FOR COMMUNITY, TARGETS WERE SET AT DECREASING GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS AND INCREASING THE SHARE OF RENEWABLE ENERGY USE, AND OUT OF THESE TWO, WE ARE ON TRACK.

OR THE 30% REDUCTION.

GHG EMISSION REDUCTION IS IN PROGRESS CURRENTLY.

MOVING ON TO OUR CORPORATE PROJECTS, I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH A TIMELINE OF PROJECTS AND WHERE THEY'RE AT, AND THE DETAILS AND SPECIFICATIONS WILL BE IN THE REPORT PRESENTED TO YOU.

SO AND AGAIN, PLEASE NOTICE THE COLORS AND THE GREEN IS COMPLETED AND YELLOW IN PROGRESS AND IN RED NOT COMPLETED. SO BEFORE 2015 SOLAR PANELS WERE INSTALLED AT THE SOLID WASTE FACILITY, AND A HYBRID VEHICLE WAS IN WAS MADE IN USE BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

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OKAY. SORRY.

IN 2018 THE MULTIPLEX CENTRALIZED BIOMASS BOILERS CONNECTING FIVE CITY FACILITIES WAS UP AND RUNNING IN 2019. IT WAS DECIDED THAT THE CITY HALL CENTRALIZED BIOMASS BOILER PROJECT WOULD NOT GO AHEAD DUE TO THE RESULTS OF A FEASIBILITY STUDY UNDERTAKEN WHICH SHOWED IT WAS NOT FEASIBLE TO IMPLEMENT AT THE TIME.

IN 2021, BUILDING ENVELOPE UPGRADES FOR THE BALING FACILITY WERE COMPLETED.

IN 2022.

THE PROJECT FOR LED INSTALLATION IN CITY FACILITY INTERIORS WAS INITIATED.

HOWEVER, THIS PROJECT SOME OF REPLACEMENTS ARE STILL REMAINING.

THE PROJECT DESIGN FOR THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT SYSTEM IS COMPLETE.

HOWEVER, THE PROJECT IS NOT ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE AND HENCE NOT UNDERTAKEN AND THE FOLLOWING PROJECTS WERE NOT UNDERTAKEN, WHICH IS INSTALLATION OF AIR SOURCE HEAT PUMPS, REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING PELLET BOILERS, REPLACEMENT OF HYBRID VEHICLES AND CITY FLEET MONITORING.

SO THE OVERALL GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSION TARGETS WERE SET AT 2000 TONNES CARBON DIOXIDE EQUIVALENT REDUCTION AND WE ACHIEVED A 710 REDUCTION TO DATE. SO LET'S MOVE ON.

I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT SOME SUCCESSES OR OPPORTUNITIES FOR CORPORATE PROJECTS.

THE MULTIPLEX BIOMASS BOILER WAS INSTALLED IN 2018 AND SERVICES THE MULTIPLEX, FIRE HALL, FIELD HOUSE, MAIN GARAGE AND COMMUNITY SERVICES GARAGE. IT HAS SHOWN SUCCESS IN ITS OPERATION AND THAT WOOD PELLET BOILERS WORK WELL IF THE GOAL IS TO REPLACE FOSSIL FUELS, AND THAT A DISTRICT ENERGY SYSTEM WORKS WELL IN THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE.

SOLAR PANELS WERE INSTALLED ON TWO CITY FACILITIES, THE FIELD HOUSE AND THE SOLID WASTE FACILITY.

THE DATA COLLECTED SHOWED A VERY LOW RETURN ON INVESTMENT, AND THAT LONG SUNLIGHT HOURS IN THE SUMMER RESULTS IN EXCESS ENERGY BEING PRODUCED AND NOT STORED.

SO HENCE WASTED, AND THE SHORT DAYLIGHT HOURS IN THE WINTER MEANS THAT NO ENERGY IS PRODUCED.

THE LED LIGHTING PROJECT HAS HAS BEEN STARTED, BUT ONLY 25% WORK WAS COMPLETED FOR CITY FACILITY INTERIORS.

MORE RESOURCES ARE NEEDED FOR COMPLETION.

FOR EXAMPLE, A DEDICATED WORKGROUP FROM VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS AND CONTRACTOR CAPACITY.

MOVING ON TO COMMUNITY PROJECTS.

I'LL PRESENT IN VARIOUS CATEGORIES.

LET'S START WITH TRANSPORTATION.

VEHICLE KILOMETERS TRAVELED WERE REDUCED AS DATA SUGGESTS THAT YELLOWKNIFERS HAVE SWITCHED TO DIFFERENT MODES OF TRANSPORTATION.

VEHICLE RIGHTSIZING AND REINFORCING THE ANTI-IDLING BYLAW TARGETS WERE NOT ACHIEVED AS THESE ARE DIFFICULT TO IMPLEMENT AND TRACK. WE HAVE INSTALLED AN EV CHARGING STATION AT NEXT TO THE SOMBA KE CIVIC PLAZA.

BUSINESSES SWITCHING TO HYBRID VEHICLES WAS NOT EXECUTED AS THERE IS NO INCENTIVE FOR THIS.

SUSTAINABLE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING HAS BEEN EXECUTED.

THIS INCLUDES CREATING PLANS AND POLICIES.

SO THAT WAS THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION STRATEGY IN 2018, ADOPTION OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN BYLAW, WHICH WAS THE FOCUS ON HIGH DENSITY AND MIXED USE ZONES, INFILL DEVELOPMENT, ACTIVE AND PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, ETC.

SO THE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSION TARGET WAS 19,000 TONNES REDUCTION AND THE ACTUAL TO DATE IS 12,000 TONNES REDUCTION. FOR HEATING AND ELECTRICITY.

RESIDENTIAL ENERGY SAVINGS THROUGH A LOCAL IMPROVEMENT CHARGE, WE ENGAGED A CONSULTANT TO PREPARE A HOME ENERGY FINANCING STUDY.

IT'S A PROGRAM DESIGN STUDY FOR WHICH THE PROGRAM DESIGN IS COMPLETE, AND A PRESENTATION IS PLANNED TO COMMITTEE IN LATE OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER 2024 IMPLEMENTATION OF THE NEW BUILDING BYLAW.

UPDATES WERE COMPLETED IN 2012 AND 2022 AND ARE BEING IMPLEMENTED FOR THE DISTRICT ENERGY POLICY.

THERE WAS A DISTRICT ENERGY POLICY FRAMEWORK COMPLETED IN 2022, AND NEXT STEPS ON IMPLEMENTATION ARE TO BE DECIDED.

SOLAR PANELS FOR RESIDENTS NOT COMPLETED AS THERE IS NO INCENTIVE TO EXECUTE THIS, AND THE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS TARGET WAS SET AT

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LET'S MOVE ON TO WASTE.

BOTH RESIDENTIAL ORGANICS COLLECTION AND SEPARATION OF CARDBOARD FROM WASTE STREAMS. TARGETS ARE IN PROGRESS, SO PARTIAL SEPARATION OF WASTE STREAMS HAS OCCURRED OVER THE YEARS FOR GHG EMISSIONS TARGET WAS SET AT 9000 TONS REDUCTION, BUT WE HAVE ACTUALLY INCREASED BY 130 TONNES, AND FINALLY, FUTURE INNOVATION PROJECTS ARE ASSESSING WIND ENERGY POTENTIAL AT VARIOUS SITES WAS NOT EXECUTED ELECTRONICALLY.

COMMUTATED MOTOR PUMPS HAVE BEEN INSTALLED IN VARIOUS CITY FACILITIES AND RESIDENTIAL HOMES.

WE HAVE ALSO BEEN EXPLORING INTEGRATED RESOURCE MANAGEMENT MODELS SUCH AS PARTNERSHIPS WITH CONTRACTORS FOR ACCESS TO EQUIPMENT FOR WOOD WASTE, WHICH CAN BE USED FOR BIOFUEL, AND FOR EDUCATION AROUND CARBON PRICING NOT EXECUTED BECAUSE IT'S MORE THE TERRITORIAL GOVERNMENT'S JURISDICTION.

AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT SOME COMMUNITY SUCCESSES AND OPPORTUNITIES.

THE BUILDING BYLAW HAS BEEN UPDATED TO MATCH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE NATIONAL BUILDING CODE AND THE NATIONAL ENERGY CODE OF CANADA IN 2012 AND 2022, AND THE RESULTS SHOW THAT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES HAVE BECOME ENERGY EFFICIENT OVER THE YEARS.

ECM PUMPS HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFULLY IMPLEMENTED IN SEVERAL CITY FACILITIES AND HOMES, AND ADOPTION OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND RELATED INFRASTRUCTURE WERE EXPECTED TO LEAD TO GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSION SAVINGS.

HOWEVER, DATA SHOWED THAT GHG EMISSION SAVINGS WERE MINIMAL.

GENERALLY SPEAKING, PURCHASE AND OPERATION OF EV INFRASTRUCTURE IS COSTLY.

IN ADDITION, LIFE CYCLE ANALYSIS OF EVS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AND THE LONG AND EXTREME COLD.

TEMPERATURES IN YELLOWKNIFE NEGATIVELY AFFECT THE LIFESPAN OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE AS AS AN ALTERNATIVE, WE CAN CONSIDER HYBRID VEHICLES, AND FINALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO WALK YOU THROUGH A TRAJECTORY OF OUR ENERGY AND CLIMATE ACTION PLANNING IN THE CITY.

STARTING IN 1998, WHEN THE CITY FIRST SET ITS FOOT IN CLIMATE AND ENERGY BY JOINING THE PARTNERS FOR CLIMATE PROTECTION PROGRAM, WHICH WAS A PROGRAM BY ICLEI LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FOR SUSTAINABILITY AND FCM, OR FEDERATION OF CANADIAN MUNICIPALITIES, AND IT CONSISTED OF A FIVE STEP FRAMEWORK THAT GUIDES MUNICIPALITIES ON ACTION AGAINST CLIMATE CHANGE.

MOVING ON TO 2006, WHEN THE CITY BEGAN ITS LONG TERM ENERGY PLAN.

PLANNING. BY THE RELEASE AND ADOPTION OF THE COMMUNITY ENERGY PLAN, WHICH WAS FROM 2006 TO 2014, AND THEN IN 2017, THE ADOPTION OF THE SECOND ENERGY PLAN, WHICH IS WHAT THIS PRESENTATION TODAY WAS BASED ON.

MOVING ON TO 2018, THE CITY WON THE FEDERATION OF CANADIAN MUNICIPALITIES SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITIES AWARD FOR THE MULTIPLEX BIOMASS BOILER SYSTEM FROM 2020 TO 2022 THE CITY WAS AWARDED WORLD COUNCIL ON CITY DATA PLATINUM CERTIFICATION FOR SORRY FOR REPORTING ON DATA INDICATORS RELATED TO SUSTAINABILITY, CITY SERVICES AND QUALITY OF LIFE, AND IN 2023 THE SUSTAINABILITY DIVISION TRANSITIONED FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT, PLANNING AND ENVIRONMENT DIVISION, AND NOW UPWARDS AND ONWARDS, ADMINISTRATION HAS INITIATED A CLIMATE ACTION PLAN FOR 2026 TO 2036 TO BE READY FOR IMPLEMENTATION BY THE END OF 2025.

THE PLAN WILL FOCUS ON CLIMATE MITIGATION AND ADAPTATION AND SET GOALS IN LINE WITH FEDERAL AND TERRITORIAL OBJECTIVES, SO IT WILL INCLUDE ENERGY PLANNING AS PART OF THE CLIMATE MITIGATION PIECE, BUT ALSO ADD CLIMATE ADAPTATION PLANNING, WHICH HAS BEEN MISSING IN THE CITY'S CLIMATE ACTION, AND SO TO PREPARE FOR THE RAPIDLY CHANGING TEMPERATURES LIKE WILDFIRES, LOSS OF PERMAFROST, CHANGE IN PRECIPITATION, AND SO I GUESS WE WILL REPORT BACK ON THAT, AND THANK YOU.

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MALIHA.

ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILLOR FEQUET.

THANKS, MADAM CHAIR. THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION.

SUPER EXCITING THAT WE'RE EMBARKING ON THIS.

MY TWO QUESTIONS, I GUESS.

SORRY. WE NOTED ON THE VERY FIRST SLIDE THAT WE DIDN'T ACHIEVE THAT CORPORATE GOAL OF REDUCING ENERGY COSTS TO AN AVERAGE LOWER THAN THE PRECEDING FIVE YEARS.

SO RECOGNIZING COSTS GO UP, AND MAYBE THE LAST COUNCIL DECIDED THIS.

I'M JUST CURIOUS, DID WE CAN YOU PROVIDE ANY INSIGHT AS TO WHY ENERGY SPENDING WAS CHOSEN AS A METRIC VERSUS ENERGY USAGE? BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THINGS GET MORE EXPENSIVE, AND SO WE MAY ACTUALLY BE SAVING AND DOING BETTER, BUT THE COSTS ARE STILL UP.

SO JUST CURIOUS IF YOU CAN SHARE SOME INSIGHT.

I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS FLAGGED WITH THIS ACTION PLAN WAS THE BASELINES AND THE TARGETS THAT WERE SELECTED, AND I THINK GOING FORWARD, ADMINISTRATION'S LOOKING TO HAVE SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT WITH THIS MR. VAN DINE, MISS WHITE.

GO AHEAD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND I WILL LET MALIHA SPEAK TO IT.

SO, YES, GOING FORWARD, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO TIE THE BASELINE AND THE STATISTICS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GATHER THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES AND TARGETS THAT WE'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND COUNCIL LOOK AT.

THERE'S REALLY STANDARD PROCESSES OUT THERE IDENTIFIED BY ICLEI, BY PCP, AND IT'S NOT REINVENTING THE WHEEL OR USING MAYBE YELLOWKNIFE DEFINITIONS OF THINGS.

IT'LL REALLY BE STANDARDIZED, WHICH WILL BE ALSO HELPFUL BECAUSE THEN WE CAN COMPARE YELLOWKNIFE TO WHITEHORSE, TO IQALUIT, TORONTO, TO ALL OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES WHO ARE MEMBERS AS WELL IN THESE PROGRAMS, WHICH ASSIST IN SETTING THOSE TARGETS FOR THAT OVERALL CANADA OBJECTIVE BUT IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD, MALIHA.

NO, I THINK YOU COVERED LIKE GOING FORWARD, WE WANT TO BE IN LINE WITH THOSE OBJECTIVES, BUT I THINK THE GOAL WAS TO.

SO WE WANTED TO BE IN LINE WITH THE PARTNERS FOR CLIMATE PROTECTION PROGRAM AND OTHER FEDERAL GOALS SET AT THE TIME, AND I THINK ONE OF THE PRINCIPLES OF THE THIS PLAN WAS TO KEEP OR WHAT WAS ONE OF THE PRINCIPLES SET WAS COST EFFECTIVE STRATEGIES FOR GHG EMISSION REDUCTION.

SO I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT THOUGHT PROCESS THAT WENT INTO THAT, BUT LIKE I THINK IN LINE WITH THE GOALS OF THE CAP, THAT'S WHY THAT TARGET WAS SET, AND I MEAN, THE HISTORY IS A BIT HARD TO TRACK GIVEN YEAH.

SORRY. THANK YOU.

COOL. THANKS, AND YOU ACTUALLY ANSWERED MY SECOND QUESTION, SO THANKS, GUYS.

THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND THANKS FOR THE WORK.

I GUESS, YEAH, SORT OF HELPED ANSWER MY FIRST QUESTION THERE AS WELL.

IS THERE ANY, LIKE, LARGE SCALE DATA COLLECTION PLANNED AS A BASELINE FOR THE NEW PLAN USING THESE NEW METRICS IN 2025-2026? MISS WHITE OR MALIHA, WHICH, HOW DO YOU WANT TO DO QUESTIONS? I'LL START AND THEN I'LL PASS IT TO MALIHA, IF THAT'S OKAY.

THANK YOU. SO TWO PIECES, ONE, WE HAVE COLLECTED A BUNCH OF DATA AND INFORMATION BASED ON WHAT WAS IN THE CURRENT COMMUNITY, CORPORATE AND COMMUNITY ENERGY PLAN SO THAT INFORMATION EXISTS GOING FORWARD BASED ON THE GOALS, TARGETS AND OBJECTIVES AND UNDER THE NEW PLAN, WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT NEW DATA WE NEED TO GATHER AND WHAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO DO THAT.

MALIHA IS WORKING WITH A THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT WHO IS GOING TO ASSIST AND GUIDE US ALONG THIS TRAJECTORY TOWARDS THAT.

AS MALIHA SAID, CLIMATE MITIGATION, ADAPTATION AND BROADENING BEYOND JUST THAT ENERGY PIECE, WHICH IS WHAT THE CURRENT PLAN IS ON, BUT I WILL ASK MALIHA TO ADD.

THANK YOU. SO JUST TO ADD TO WHAT MISS WHITE SAID, WE HAVE DONE GHG EMISSION INVENTORIES IN 2009, 2013 AND THEN 2021, AND WE ENGAGED A THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT TO DO THAT.

SO THEY WERE THOROUGH, AND OF COURSE THERE WERE DATA GAPS IDENTIFIED THROUGH THOSE INVENTORIES.

SO RIGHT NOW WHEN WE ARE UPDATING OUR INVENTORIES AS PART OF ENGAGING WITH THIS THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT FOR 2022 UNTIL 2025, AND PART OF THAT PROCESS IS IDENTIFYING THOSE GAPS THAT WERE NOT MET IN THOSE INVENTORIES AND FORMING A NEW BASELINE, BUT WE USUALLY LIKE WHEN EVEN THIS REPORT INFORMATION THAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU, A LOT OF IT HAS DATA OR COMPARISON LEVELS FROM 2009, WHICH WE'VE DONE.

SO THAT'S KIND OF THE TRAJECTORY FOR DATA GATHERING.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND THERE ARE SEVERAL MENTIONS IN THE UPDATES ABOUT RESOURCES THAT ARE NEEDED TO EITHER COMPLETE PROJECTS LIKE THE LIGHTING OR TO INCREASE THE EFFICACY OF OTHERS.

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MISS WHITE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO THE SHORT ANSWER IS NO.

SO WE HAVE CURRENT MONIES THAT HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED TO PROJECTS AND OR THOSE PROJECTS HAVE COMPLETED.

UNTIL WE HAVE THE NEW PLAN IN PLACE, IT'S NOT ADVISABLE THAT WE BRING FORWARD ITEMS FOR 2025 AND ASKS FOR MONEY WHEN WE SHOULD REALLY FOCUS OUR ENERGY ON WORKING WITH COUNCIL, WITH THE PUBLIC AND OTHER AGENCIES AND LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN IS GOING FORWARD.

2026 HOWEVER, NOT ONLY WILL THERE PROBABLY BE BUDGET ITEMS, BUT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE LOOKING AT WHAT FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES ARE THERE OUT THERE, EITHER FROM THE GNWT, FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

THERE'S OTHER AGENCIES LIKE FCM, SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE CAN PULL TOGETHER TO TRY TO PUT A GOOD BUDGET ASK FORWARD ONCE A PLAN IS IN PLACE, BUT WE FIGURED THE LAST YEAR OF THE PLAN, WE CURRENTLY HAVE MONEY THAT IS CARRIED OVER FROM 2024 INTO 2025.

THAT SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO FINISH THE PROJECT AS IS DIRECTED NOW, AND WE WOULD PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN BUDGET TO GO ALONG WITH THAT AT THAT TIME.

I DON'T KNOW IF KAVI HAS ANYTHING TO ADD.

NO. OKAY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, AND THEN JUST ONE QUESTION ABOUT SORT OF.

SO A COUPLE OF THE CITY HALL AND THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT PELLET BOILERS MENTIONED AS NOT BEING FEASIBLE.

MAYBE JUST A COMMENT ON HOW THAT DECISION IS REACHED, LIKE FEASIBLE OR NOT.

WHAT SORT OF CRITERIA ARE INVOLVED IN THAT SORT OF DECLARATION? IS THAT JUST SORT OF UPFRONT? IT'S TOO MUCH UPFRONT MONEY? IT DOESN'T SAVE ENOUGH MONEY OVER A SHORT ENOUGH PERIOD OF TIME.

JUST SORT OF CURIOUS WHY EXACTLY THEY'RE DEEMED NOT FEASIBLE.

CITY HALL ONE DID COME TO COUNCIL, AND THEN WE DECIDED THAT THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT WAS A BETTER INVESTMENT.

SO CAN SHARE THAT ONE WITH COUNCIL, BUT MISS WHITE CAN EXPLAIN FURTHER.

THANK YOU, AND I MAY ASK MISS NEWTON TO ADD AS WELL, BECAUSE A COUPLE OF THESE FELL AT THAT TIME UNDER PUBLIC WORKS, BUT YES, THE PROJECTS ARE COSTED OUT, LOOKED AT NOT JUST AS UPFRONT CAPITAL, BUT IF THERE'S FINANCING INVOLVED WHAT THAT FINANCING LOOKS LIKE OVER TIME AND THEN WHAT THAT REAL SAVINGS IS EITHER IN GHG REDUCTION, ENERGY, ETC., AS WELL AS HOW IT WILL PERFORM AND INTERACT WITH OTHER BUILDINGS.

SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE DISTRICT ENERGY SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE KIND OF IN PLACE FOR THOSE OTHER BUILDINGS, WHEN THAT WAS PLANNED OUT THE TOTAL COSTS AND THE OFFSET WERE KIND OF BALANCED OUT.

SOME OF THESE ITEMS WHEN THEY WERE BROUGHT TO COUNCIL.

AS MAYOR ALTY IDENTIFIES, THE NUMBERS JUST DID NOT WORK AND COSTS ARE CONTINUOUSLY GOING UP.

MAKING SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, UNFORTUNATELY EVEN FURTHER OUT OF REACH THAN THEY WERE WHEN THEY WERE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL, AND I BELIEVE THEY WERE BOTH PRESENTED TO A PREVIOUS COUNCIL, BUT I WILL ASK MISS NEWTON IF SHE CAN ADD OR ELABORATE.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT BOILER SYSTEM.

ORIGINALLY, IT WAS A PLANNED PROJECT OF JUST A SIMPLE REPLACEMENT OF AN OLD WOOD PELLET BOILER WITH A LARGER ONE THAT WOULD BE USED ESSENTIALLY TO HEAT WATER AT THE NEW WATER TREATMENT PLANT FACILITY, RATHER THAN AT PUMPHOUSE ONE.

PUBLIC WORKS TOOK A SORT OF LARGER LENS ON THAT PROJECT AND WENT, HEY, WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT BASICALLY COMMUNITY ENERGY PROJECTS AND LOOK AT THE COMPLEX OF THE AREA WITH THE PUMPHOUSE, THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT, AND POTENTIAL CHANGES THAT WOULD BE COMING WITH THE SUBMARINE PIPELINE PROJECT.

SO ESSENTIALLY WE DID A REDESIGN.

THE PRICING CAME IN RATHER LARGE.

WE BASICALLY PUT A PIN IN THAT PROJECT.

IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT IT'S NOT FEASIBLE.

IT WASN'T FEASIBLE AT THE TIME.

SO THIS PROJECT IS STILL CONTEMPLATED, BUT THERE'S SO MANY PIECES THAT ARE TIED TO IT THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, IT'S JUST NOT FEASIBLE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH.

GOOD INFORMATION.

YEAH. THANKS FOR ALL THE WORK.

I'LL JUST GET ON MY SOAPBOX FOR ONE MINUTE HERE.

ALWAYS INTERESTED IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT FEASIBILITY AND COST.

WHEN SORT OF THE METRICS WE USE DON'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE COST OF CONTINUALLY BURNING FOSSIL FUELS, AND THE COST THAT SORT OF WE'RE CONTRIBUTING TO THE WORLD HAVING TO PAY. RIGHT NOW IT'S FLORIDA OR NORTH CAROLINA.

I DON'T KNOW, JUST ENCOURAGE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT'S A SORT OF BIG SYSTEMIC THING, BUT JUST ENCOURAGE STAFF TO THINK ABOUT THAT IN DEVELOPING THE NEW PLAN AND SORT OF TRYING TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ALL THE COSTS WE CAN, AND THEN ALSO JUST VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE LIC PROGRAM PRESENTATION IN NOVEMBER, AND

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR MCGURK. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

JUST WONDERING IF YOU COULD PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF LIKE SORT OF REVIEW OR BROAD EXPLANATION ON FACTORS CONTRIBUTING TO THE INCREASES OF EMISSIONS IN THE COMMUNITY? THE COMMUNITY WASTE PROJECTS.

SO THE ORGANICS AND COMPOST.

I FEEL LIKE WE JUST INCREASED EVERYTHING THROUGH COVID.

SO MUCH WASTE THEN, MISS WHITE.

THANK YOU, AND I WILL ASK MISS NEWTON, OR WE CAN GET BACK TO YOU.

HOW ABOUT WE GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN.

THANKS, MAYOR ALTY. A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS ARE TAKEN AWAY FROM WHAT MISS WHITE ALREADY SAID AT THE START AROUND THE FACT THAT TRYING TO TIE IN THE FUTURE A NEW PLAN WITH REAL, TANGIBLE TARGETS THAT WE CAN MEASURE ON AN ONGOING BASIS.

BECAUSE I THINK FOR ME, THAT'S SORT OF THE THING THAT LACKED IN THE LAST PLAN IS YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE DIDN'T MANAGE TO ACHIEVE, AND IT'S BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO ACHIEVE THINGS LIKE EV TRANSIT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, TRANSFER TO EVS FOR PRIVATE VEHICLES OR, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE BUYING SMALLER VEHICLES.

THOSE ARE THINGS WE AS A CITY CAN'T CONTROL.

SO I WAS HAPPY TO HEAR YOU SAY THAT, BECAUSE THAT I THINK REALLY RELEASES A LOT FOR ME AROUND THOSE TYPES OF QUESTIONS.

SO I GUESS, AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST ONE OTHER MY LITTLE SOAPBOX QUICKLY IS WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS PLAN AND THEN THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, I REALLY WANT TO SEE THOSE LINKED TOGETHER, BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT COMMUNITY CHANGES, THAT IS WHERE YOU ACTUALLY CAN START TO PUSH PEOPLE IN A CERTAIN DIRECTION.

SO THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'LL BE LOOKING FOR, BUT JUST ONE TANGIBLE QUESTION THAT HASN'T BEEN ASKED JUST IS AROUND IN THE WHAT WENT WELL AND WHY SECTION.

WE NOTE THE BUILDING BYLAW UPDATES WERE MADE TO MATCH THE NATIONAL ENERGY CODE, AND WE SAW A DECREASE OF 11.6%.

I GUESS, WAS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE MANAGED TO MEASURE THAT? LIKE I SAID, THE BUILDING CODE CHANGE, THIS HAPPENED AS A RESULT OF THAT BUILDING CODE CHANGE.

IS THERE MORE OF A WE DID THE BUILDING CODE CHANGE? WE THINK IT HELPED INFLUENCE THIS.

THERE HAPPENED TO BE 11.6%.

IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. I'M JUST FOR MY INTEREST AND SAKE OF FACTORING IN AGAIN, HOW DO WE SET TARGETS IN THE FUTURE THAT WE ACTUALLY CAN CONTROL? MISS WHITE. I WOULD LOVE TO SAY THAT THERE IS AN ABSOLUTE DIRECT RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO.

LISTEN, THE BUILDING CODE AND THE NATIONAL ENERGY STANDARDS ARE GREAT, AND ESPECIALLY IN A CLIMATE LIKE OURS, WHERE THEY GET TESTED A LOT MORE THAN, SAY, IN VANCOUVER, LIKE, LET'S BE HONEST.

SO I THINK THAT THOSE SAVINGS WERE REALIZED, AND DID WE ADEQUATELY MEASURE THEM? PROBABLY NOT. WILL WE EVER? PROBABLY NOT, BUT IT IS, I WOULD SAY, EVEN IF IT'S A SMALL RELATIONSHIP, IT'S THERE THAT YES, WE MADE THOSE CHANGES.

THOSE STANDARDS ARE IN PLACE, AND NOT ONLY HAVE WE MADE THIS IMPACT, BUT THINK ABOUT ALL THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE LIVING IN ALL OF THOSE DWELLINGS WHO NOW EITHER HAVE A MORE EFFICIENT HOME, SPENDING LESS ON HEATING, SAVING MONEY AND REDUCING GREENHOUSE GASES ALTOGETHER IN A LOVELY PACKAGE.

THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THAT, AND I GUESS JUST MY LAST COMMENT IS JUST AS WE'RE LOOKING TO, THE NEXT PLAN IS JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE DO SET THOSE REALISTIC TARGETS AND THINGS THAT LIKE, FOR ME, I'M ALWAYS A BELIEVER IN UNDER-PROMISE AND OVERSHOOT BECAUSE THEN YOU GET BUY IN FROM THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY SEE US MEETING TARGETS THAT WE SET.

I, YOU KNOW, IT ALWAYS CONCERNS ME WHEN WE DON'T WHEN WE MAYBE ARE TOO AMBITIOUS, WE NEVER MEET ANYTHING AND THEN PEOPLE GO, OH, LOOK, THE CITY IS NOT MEETING THEIR OWN PLANS, AND THAT'S NOT THE INTENT OF WHAT'S TRYING TO GO ON.

SO I ALWAYS AM A THAT'S MY FINAL POINT IS, I GUESS, ALWAYS A BIG BELIEVER IN LET'S SET REALISTIC TARGETS THAT WE CAN MEET.

SO THANKS AGAIN FOR THE SUMMARY OF THIS AS WE LEAD INTO THE NEXT PLAN.

THANKS. COUNCILLOR PAYNE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME. I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR YOUR PRESENTATION AND THIS THIS STUFF IS I FEEL THAT WE ALWAYS LOOK FOR THE BIG, FANCY WAY TO REDUCE OUR GREENHOUSE GASES.

DID YOU KNOW THAT 2500 TREES PLANTED PER HECTARE, WHICH IS THE RECOMMENDED AMOUNT, COSTS ABOUT $0.30 A TREE.

LITTLE SAPLING WILL TAKE OUT 180 TONS OF GREENHOUSE GASES IN THE ATMOSPHERE EVERY YEAR.

RIGHT. THAT'S JUST A FEW TREES.

THEN WE COULD YOU TALK ABOUT SAVING MONEY AND REDUCING OUR GREENHOUSE GASES, JUST JUST GROWING OUR OWN VEGETABLES.

A COUPLE OF BUCKETS FULL OF POTATOES, FOLKS.

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SO WE DON'T NEED TO GO AND CREATE A BETTER BOWL.

ALL WE GOT TO DO IS GO BACK TO THE PAST.

LET'S GET SOME BOY SCOUTS PLANTING TREES UP HERE.

HOW MANY TREES DID I PLANT WHEN I WAS A KID? TONS. CHURN SOME BUTTER.

YES. LET'S GET AT IT. LET'S GET SOME COWS, BUT I MEAN.

WE DON'T HAVE I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU TALK ABOUT THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE, AND WE'RE THE KIND OF PLACE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE LIKE TO DO THINGS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AND GROWING OUR OWN VEGETABLES, AND IF YOUR NEIGHBOR GOT A COUPLE CHICKENS OR WHATEVER, RIGHT.

LIKE, THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT WE COULD DO TO REDUCE OUR GREENHOUSE GASES UP HERE.

LET'S NOT EVEN TALK ABOUT THE BOREAL FOREST THAT WE'RE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF.

WE DON'T NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT AT ALL, BUT THERE'S STUFF THAT WE CAN DO AT A COMMUNITY LEVEL THAT WE DON'T NEED TO GO OVERBOARD.

YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE THING TO INSTALL A, YOU KNOW, $1 MILLION PELLET BOILER, BUT THERE'S ANOTHER THING TO GIVE OUT.

HAVE A GOAL OF GIVING OUT 5000 TREES FROM THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE EVERY YEAR, THAT PEOPLE CAN PLANT A FEW TREES ON THEIR PROPERTY LIKE IT'S NOT ROCKET APPLIANCES, RICKY, RIGHT? SO YOU KNOW THAT'S JUST MY TWO CENTS, AND YOU KNOW, I'M SURE I'M WRONG ON MOST OF IT, BUT I'M SURE THERE'S A BIT OF TRUTH IN ALL THIS STUFF, AND IF EVERYBODY DOES THEIR PART, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE A BETTER CITY AND WE CAN REDUCE THOSE NUMBERS THAT EVERYBODY IS SO UPSET ABOUT.

SO THAT'S JUST MY TWO CENTS.

THANK YOU.

FOR MYSELF, I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE DISTRICT ENERGY POLICY.

IS THERE ANY PLAN TO BRING IT FORWARD TO COUNCIL OR TO CIRCULATE IT PUBLICLY? MRS. WHITE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ASKING.

SO WE'VE JUST INITIATED A REVIEW BECAUSE WE FINISHED THE LIC.

SO DISTRICT ENERGY IS ACTUALLY NEXT ON OUR LIST OF THINGS TO DO.

OUR HOPE IS NOT ONLY TO CIRCULATE IT PUBLICLY, BRING IT TO COUNCIL, BUT THAT IT WILL ACTUALLY FORM PART OF THE POLICY UNDER OUR NEW CLIMATE ACTION PLAN THAT WE MAKE AS A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.

SO YES, YES, AND A HOPEFUL THANK YOU, AND I GUESS JUST A PROCESS QUESTION ABOUT THE NEXT ITERATION OF THE PLAN.

IS THERE A PLAN TO, I DON'T KNOW, ABOUT A SCOPING DOCUMENT, A PROJECT CHARTER, JUST TO BRING THAT FORWARD TO COUNCIL.

LIKE I APPRECIATE THE NEXT STEPS OUTLINED IN THE REPORT.

HOWEVER, THIS REPORT IS JUST FOR INFORMATION, SO WONDERING IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF GET THAT BUY IN AND FROM HERE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ALIGNED.

MISS WHITE? ABSOLUTELY, YES.

SO MALIHA AND THE CONTRACTOR HAVE BEEN WORKING.

OH, AT LEAST THE LAST TWO MONTHS.

THEY'RE DRAWING UP EXACTLY WHAT THAT PLAN IS.

NOT JUST WITH COUNCIL, BUT WHAT THAT COMMUNICATION STRATEGY IS OVERALL AND HOW TO WORK TO THE END GOAL OF FINALIZING THE CORPORATE AND COMMUNITY ENERGY PLAN FOR 2025, AND THEN HOW TO BRING IN THAT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN FOR 2026 ONWARD.

THERE WILL BE ROUNDTABLE COMMUNICATIONS AND CONVERSATIONS WITH COUNCIL AND OTHER GROUPS.

SO THAT IS IN PROGRESS AND TO BE DETERMINED, BUT YOU WILL SEE IT PROBABLY VERY SHORTLY.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

THANK YOU. SEEING NOTHING FURTHER, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALL THE WORK ON THIS AND THE UPDATES.

LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT PRESENTATION WITH A BIT MORE INFORMATION.

SO WE'VE ACTUALLY MET OUR THREE HOUR MARK.

IF I CAN GET A MOTION TO EXTEND MOVE BY COUNCILLOR ARDEN-SMITH SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN.

ANYBODY OPPOSED? SEEING NONE, WE CAN EXTEND BEYOND THREE HOURS.

FINAL ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS COUNCILLOR LEAVE REQUEST.

[7. A discussion regarding a Councillor leave request.]

THANKS, MADAM CHAIR, AND THANKS FOR ADDING THIS ITEM SO THAT THE COUNCIL TEAM CAN HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THIS FROM AN INTERESTING PUBLIC POLICY PERSPECTIVE, AND AT THE END OF THIS, OBVIOUSLY, I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL, AND THEN I'LL STEP OUT.

OF COURSE, AND SINCE YOU GUYS HAVE QUORUM, I'LL PEACE OUT.

YEAH. SO JUST TO SET THE CONTEXT ESSENTIALLY LAST YEAR WAS A PRETTY CHALLENGING ONE FOR MY FAMILY, PARTICULARLY MY KIDDOS, AND MY WIFE AND I HAVE DECIDED THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO FOCUS ON THE FAMILY, AND SO WE'RE GOING TO STEP BACK FROM SOME OF OUR COMMITMENTS, AND FOR THIS REASON, I'M SEEKING PERMISSION FROM COUNCIL TO SEE IF AN UNPAID LEAVE FOR FOUR MONTHS BETWEEN JANUARY AND APRIL 2025 IS APPROPRIATE ACCEPTABLE IN THE CARDS?

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WHEREVER PERSONAL REASONS WERE CITED, WHICH WERE A LOT OF EXAMPLES, THOSE CASES WERE OFTEN DECIDED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

JUST AGAIN, FOR HELPFUL INFORMATION, IN BC'S COMMUNITY CHARTER, THEY REQUIRE COUNCILLORS TO REQUEST PERMISSION FOR PARTICULAR LEAVE WHEN DURATION IS MORE THAN 60 DAYS, CONSECUTIVE DAYS, AND ONTARIO'S MUNICIPAL ACT ALLOWS COUNCILLORS TO BE ABSENT FOR UP TO THREE MONTHS WITHOUT NEEDING FORMAL COUNCIL APPROVAL.

HOWEVER, AFTER THREE MONTHS, FURTHER ABSENCES REQUIRE APPROVAL EXCEPT FOR ILLNESS, PREGNANCY OR PARENTAL LEAVE, WHICH ARE AUTOMATICALLY APPROVED.

WHEN I RAN FOR COUNCIL, I DID IT BECAUSE I OBVIOUSLY CARE DEEPLY ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY IN WHICH I LIVE AND RAISE MY KIDS AND OUR FAMILY LIVES, BECAUSE I WANT TO BE HERE AND BE PART OF A STRONG AND VIBRANT COMMUNITY AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE WORK OF COUNCIL, AND I STILL FEEL THE SAME TODAY.

I'M PUTTING THIS REQUEST FORWARD, THOUGH, BECAUSE I WANT TO FULLY PARTICIPATE IN MY ROLE AS A CITY COUNCILLOR AND CARRY OUT MY DUTIES, AND I KNOW THAT FOR A SHORT WINDOW OF TIME, I WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT FOR RESIDENTS AND CITY ADMINISTRATION AND MY FELLOW COLLEAGUES ABOUT MY CAPACITY DURING THAT TIME AND ASKING FOR THAT GRACE TO TEND TO LIFE OUTSIDE OF COUNCIL FOR THAT TIME.

I DON'T KNOW OBJECTIVELY EVEN WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION IS.

SO I OFFER IT TO YOU FOR ALL FOR YOUR DISCUSSION, AND LIKE I SAID, I'LL STEP OUT, BUT IF THERE'S ANY CLARIFICATIONS OR QUESTIONS BEFORE, LET ME KNOW.

THANK YOU. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, REQUEST FOR FOUR MONTHS OF UNPAID LEAVE JANUARY TO THE END OF APRIL, AND THEN YOU'LL BE BACK TO COUNCIL IN MAY? CORRECT. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR COUNCILLOR FEQUET BEFORE HE EXCUSES HIMSELF? COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN.

THANKS, MAYOR ALTY. JUST ONE QUICK ONE, AND MY COLLEAGUES WILL UNDERSTAND MY LOGIC BEHIND THE QUESTION IN A SEC.

IS JUST HAS COUNCILLOR FEQUET, HAVE YOU HAD THE CHANCE TO SPEAK TO ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, RESIDENTS OF YELLOWKNIFE YET ABOUT THIS POTENTIAL LEAVE REQUEST? I WAS NOT, BUT IT WAS IN MY PLAN TO DO SO.

I WOULD LIKE TO SOLICIT FEEDBACK ON MY CITY COUNCIL PAGE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE FOLKS, THE RESIDENTS WHO CHOSE TO ELECT ME.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE I CONSIDER THEIR INPUT WHEN I FIND OUT KIND OF WHAT THE SANDBOX IS, SO TO SPEAK, FROM COUNCIL.

SO YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THAT IS MORE INFORMATION, MORE DATA TO INFORM OBVIOUSLY MY DECISION THAT I'LL HAVE TO MAKE.

THANKS FOR THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCILLOR FEQUET.

WE'LL EXCUSE YOU, AND THEN WE WILL SEE YOU TONIGHT AT 7 P.M..

OPENING IT UP TO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.

WE'LL START WITH DEPUTY MAYOR COCHRANE AND THEN MOVE TO COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

COMPLICATED QUESTION ARISES BEFORE US TO WHAT EXACTLY CONSTITUTES A PRIVILEGE AS A MEMBER OF THIS GOVERNING BODY? LEAVE. WE ALL NEED BREAKS AND TIME TO BE ABLE TO RECHARGE OR ADDRESS ISSUES THAT HAVE ARISEN IN OUR PERSONAL LIVES.

NO MODERN ORGANIZATION EXISTS WITHOUT THESE PROVISIONS, AND MUST BE BOTH FAIR AND GENEROUS WITHIN REASON.

IN ORDER TO BOTH ATTRACT AND RETAIN EMPLOYEES, MANAGERS AND EXECUTIVES.

THE ISSUE BEFORE US, TO ME, IS LESS TO DO WITH THE CONTENT FOR THE REQUEST, BUT RATHER THE MAGNITUDE OF TIME REQUESTED AND THE CREATION OF THE PRECEDENT THAT WILL COME FROM ALLOWING THIS TO MOVE FORWARD.

IN MY RESEARCH OF LEAVE OFFERED TO OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS ON A MUNICIPAL LEVEL THROUGHOUT THE FEDERATION, IT CAN BE BROKEN DOWN INTO FOUR DISTINCT AREAS OF PRECEDENCE, THE FIRST BEING LEAVE FOR THOSE WHO SEEK HIGHER OFFICE IN EITHER THE PROVINCIAL, TERRITORIAL, OR FEDERAL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT.

THIS IS WELL ESTABLISHED NOT ONLY IN OTHER CANADIAN MUNICIPALITIES, BUT ALSO WITHIN OUR OWN RECENT EXAMPLES BEING COUNCILLOR KONGE AND SILVERIO IN THE 2019 TERRITORIAL ELECTION AND COUNCILLOR ARDEN-SMITH IN THE 2023 TERRITORIAL ELECTION.

THIS USUALLY TAKES ABOUT 4 TO 6 WEEKS OF LEAVE, DEPENDING ON THE WRIT, AND HAS BECOME A COMMON PRACTICE THAT I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH.

THE SECOND AREA IS FOR THOSE WHO TAKE LEAVE FOR MEDICAL REASONS, BASED UPON BEST ADVICE FROM MEDICAL PRACTITIONERS OR A MEDICAL EMERGENCY.

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FORTUNATELY, WE HAVE NEVER UTILIZED THIS FORM OF LEAVE, AND I HOPE WE NEVER DO.

THE THIRD PRECEDENT BEING LEAVE DUE TO LEGAL ISSUES, WHICH IS USUALLY FORCED UPON A COUNCILLOR AND LEADS TO LARGER TROUBLES FOR BOTH THE INDIVIDUAL AND THE INSTITUTION.

THIS IS ANOTHER AREA OF PRECEDENT THAT WE HAVE NOT NEEDED TO CREATE, AND WILL HOPEFULLY NEVER HAVE TO DEAL WITH AS WELL.

THE FOURTH AND FINAL AREA IS THE NEWEST PATERNITY MATERNITY LEAVE, A MATTER WE HAVE YET TO ADDRESS, BUT ALSO ONE I WOULD HAVE NO ISSUE CREATING PRECEDENT IN, AS I BELIEVE PRINCIPALLY, THIS IS AN ACTION THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN IN ORDER TO TACKLE THE DEMOCRATIC DEFICIT WE HAVE AND THE LACK OF DIVERSITY IN THOSE WHO STAND FOR OFFICE.

ALL FOUR OF THESE PRECEDENTS ARE EITHER WELL ESTABLISHED OR BEING ESTABLISHED THROUGHOUT THE FEDERATION, AND NONE OF WHICH ACCOMPLICE UPON THE REQUEST OF COUNCILLOR FEQUET, AND I WOULD NOT THINK IT RESPONSIBLE OR WISE TO CREATE A NEW PRECEDENT OUTSIDE OF THESE AREAS.

IN TERMS OF THE TIME REQUESTED, BYLAW NUMBER 4982 COUNCILLOR RENUMERATION OFFERS SOME GUIDANCE IN SECTION TWO POINT B, TO PARAPHRASE, THE MAYOR HAS OFFERED FOUR WEEKS OF VACATION LEAVE WITH ANYTHING BEING OVER UNPAID. I INTERPRET THIS AS A GOOD PRINCIPLE TO FOLLOW HERE FOR ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND THOUGH I WOULD SUPPORT AN EXTENSION OF UNPAID VACATION LEAVE BEYOND FOUR WEEKS IF REQUESTED FOR THE MAYOR OR A MEMBER OF THIS COUNCIL, IT MUST BE WITHIN REASON.

FOUR MONTHS IS NOT, IN MY OPINION, WITHIN REASON.

IN CONCLUSION, I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT I RESPECT COUNCILLOR FEQUET IMMENSELY AND I APPRECIATE HIS CONTRIBUTIONS TO THIS BODY THROUGH HIS THOUGHT AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, THROUGH HIS HEART AS HE IS ONE OF THE MOST DECENT PEOPLE I KNOW AND I CANNOT BEGRUDGE HIM FOR FOLLOWING HIS HEART, AS HE SO OFTEN DOES, BUT WE IN PUBLIC OFFICE ARE HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD AND SCRUTINY THAN MOST, AND RIGHTFULLY SO.

TO SIT IN THESE SEATS IS A PRIVILEGE.

FEW ARE GIVEN AND MUST ALWAYS BE SAFEGUARDED AGAINST US TREATING OUR TIME IN THESE SEATS AS A FORM OF ENTITLEMENT.

WE HAVE A DUTY TO THE PUBLIC, THROUGH OUR OATHS, TO DEMONSTRATE A CONSTANT COMMITMENT WITH OUR TIME AND EFFORTS, SOMETIMES EVEN FOREGOING OTHER ASPECTS OF OUR PERSONAL LIVES IN ORDER TO FULFILL SAID OATHS, WHICH IS A FAIR TRADE, IN MY OPINION.

I CAN ONLY DETERMINE THAT IF COUNCILLOR FEQUET WISHES TO PROCEED FURTHER IN THE REQUESTED LEAVE, I WILL NOT SUPPORT SETTING THIS AS A PRECEDENT FOR FUTURE COUNCILS, AND I BELIEVE THE TIME REQUESTED, EVEN AS UNPAID, IS UNREASONABLE.

THEREFORE, I BELIEVE HE SHOULD RESIGN FROM THIS BODY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN.

THANKS, MAYOR ALTY.

A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR ADMIN JUST AROUND THE TECHNICALITIES OF COUNCILLOR FEQUET'S REQUEST.

CAN YOU PROVIDE SOME CLARITY ON THE ROLE OF COUNCIL IN APPROVING LEAVE.

SPECIFICALLY, THIS REQUEST TO APPROVE UNPAID LEAVE AND HOW THAT RELATES TO THE REMUNERATION BYLAW AND OUR PROCEDURES BYLAW.

MR. VAN DINE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

SO WITH RESPECT TO THAT, THE REMUNERATION PIECE THAT IS SET OUT IN THE BYLAW SETS OUT SOME PRETTY BASIC ASPECTS WITH RESPECT TO BEING A VOLUNTEER, SORRY, A PART TIME MEMBER OF COUNCIL AND THE PAY PERIODS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

IT DOES NOT CONTEMPLATE THIS NOTION OF AN UNPAID LEAVE PERIOD.

SO WE WOULD NEED TO ADJUST OUR APPROACH.

WITH COUNCIL'S PERMISSION AND GUIDANCE.

WE WOULD LIKELY NEED TO COME UP WITH A PATCH, AS IT WERE, IN ORDER TO DEAL WITH THE CIRCUMSTANCE IF IF COUNCIL WISHES TO SUPPORT SOMETHING OF THIS NATURE. THANKS FOR THAT, AND THEN MY OTHER SORT OF TECHNICAL QUESTION, I SUPPOSE.

SO SUBSECTION 11.1 AND 11.2 OF THE COUNCIL PROCEDURES BYLAWS SAY ANY MEMBER ABSENT FOR THREE CONSECUTIVE MEETINGS WITHOUT OUR PERMISSION SHALL BE DEEMED TO HAVE RESIGNED. IN SUBSECTION TWO, IS PERMISSION FOR A MEMBER TO BE ABSENT FROM A REGULAR MEETING OF COUNCIL PURSUANT TO SUBSECTION ONE SHALL NOT BE UNREASONABLY DENIED.

SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF LIGHT ON WHAT UNREASONABLY DENIED MAY BE MEANT AT THE TIME THAT WAS PASSED, OR FROM OTHER LEGAL PRECEDENT.

MR. VAN DINE. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

SO WE CANNOT JUMP INTO THE SHOES OF THE DECISIONMAKERS OF THE DAY WHEN THEY PASS THAT, BUT FROM CERTAIN EXPERIENCES, THE WAY THAT IT'S CONSTRUCTED, IT WAS FORMULATED TO SUGGEST THAT THE DUTY TO RUN STAND OFFICE AND RECEIVE AN APPOINTMENT AND SERVE AS A COUNCIL MEMBER IS AN APPOINTMENT FOR THE DURATION OF THE MANDATE, AND THE DURATION OF THE MANDATE IS MEANT TO ENSURE THAT THOSE THAT DO CHOOSE TO SERVE ARE NOT CHOOSING TO SERVE IN A MANNER THAT MIGHT BE LESS FOCUSED THAN SOMEONE MIGHT BE OTHERWISE.

SO TRYING TO REMOVE THOSE THAT MAY BE SOFT HEARTED IN TERMS OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES ASSOCIATED WITH THE BODY.

IN THIS CASE THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY WOULD BE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BYLAW TO ENSURE THAT THOSE THAT CHOOSE TO SERVE SERVE FULLY WITH RESPECT TO UNREASONABLY DENIED.

I BELIEVE IT VERY MUCH IS TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT ONE CAN EXPECT THAT WOULD ARISE FROM TIME TO TIME WITH RESPECT TO ILLNESS, OR FOR OTHER

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PERFECT. THANKS FOR THAT.

YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK THAT ANSWERS A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS AND PROBABLY HINTS WHERE MY HEAD'S AT, BUT I DO THINK MY ULTIMATE RECOMMENDATION TO GPC TODAY, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, AND I THINK IT HINTS AT WHAT MY ORIGINAL QUESTION WAS TO COUNCILLOR FEQUET WAS, IS THAT WE TAKE A BREATHER ON THIS FOR ANOTHER WEEK.

THIS IS JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION IS WE TAKE A BREATHER.

THE PUBLIC HAS NOT HAD A CHANCE TO ENGAGE OR HAVE A SAY ON THEIR VIEWPOINT REGARDING ONE OF THEIR NINE ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE MAYOR AND THE EIGHT CITY COUNCILLORS.

SO WHILE I DEFINITELY HAVE MY OPINION BASED OFF OF THE RESPONSES FROM MR. VAN DINE THAT'S WHERE I WOULD SAY IS, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT ALL HAVE AN IDEA TODAY, BUT RESIDENTS HAVEN'T HAD A SAY.

THEY'RE JUST GOING TO LEARN ABOUT THIS, I'M SURE LATER TODAY OR TOMORROW IN THE NEWS, AND EVEN COUNCILLOR FEQUET HIMSELF INDICATED THAT HE WANTS TO HEAR FROM RESIDENTS.

SO FOR ME, I WOULD RECOMMEND WE SHELVE THE DISCUSSION, PERHAPS FOR ANOTHER WEEK.

I WOULDN'T SAY ANY LONGER THAN THAT.

I THINK A WEEK IS ENTIRELY REASONABLE BECAUSE, AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS GOING TO HIT THE MEDIA PRETTY QUICK, BUT THAT'S JUST SORT OF WHERE I SIT ON THIS IS GIVE IT A WEEK, GIVE US ALL A BREATHER, LET RESIDENTS HAVE THEIR SAY IF THEY WANT TO SAY AND THEN WE MAKE A CALL NEXT WEEK.

THANKS. THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YEAH. I GUESS FIRST OFF, THAT'S SORT OF WHERE MY HEAD WAS AT, TAKING ANOTHER WEEK TO THINK ABOUT IT.

I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE SORT OF BEEN GOING THROUGH MY HEAD.

YEAH. LIKE WE ALL HAVE CHANGING AND UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES IN OUR LIFE AND NEED TO FIND WAYS TO DEAL WITH IT.

I'M SORT OF WARY OF SAYING THAT RUNNING AND BEING ON COUNCIL MEANS YOU NEED TO PRIORITIZE COUNCIL ABOVE EVERYTHING ELSE IN YOUR LIFE.

AT LEAST WHAT WOULD BE SAYING? DENYING THIS IS THAT BEING ON COUNCIL CONSTRAINS THE WAYS YOU CAN ADDRESS UNFORESEEN AND CHALLENGING SITUATIONS IN YOUR LIFE.

IF THAT'S THE CASE, HOW DO WE GO ABOUT ENCOURAGING PEOPLE FROM DIVERSE BACKGROUNDS WITH DIVERSE RESPONSIBILITIES TO RUN? AND THIS SORT OF SEEMS REFLECTED IN WE HAD 16 CANDIDATES LAST TIME, ONLY TWO OF WHOM WERE WOMEN, AND I THINK LIKE MEN IN OUR SOCIETY, AND CERTAINLY, I THINK CAN FEEL LIKE IT'S EASIER FOR US TO JUST ASSUME SOMEONE ELSE IN OUR LIVES WILL PICK UP THE SLACK AND SORT OF COMPENSATE FOR THAT IF THINGS COME UP. SO SORT OF SAYING NO TO THIS MIGHT SORT OF ENCOURAGE THAT VIEWPOINT.

I UNDERSTAND IT'S A LONG TIME.

ON THE OTHER SIDE, ANOTHER QUESTION THAT'S RECURRING TO ME IS, IS THIS AN OPTION AVAILABLE TO STAFF? DO STAFF OF THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE FOUR MONTHS UNPAID LEAVE? IT SOUNDS LIKE IN THE PAST IT WAS NO; IT WAS ONLY FOR SICK FAMILY MEMBERS OR FOR EDUCATION.

IT'S SORT OF UNCLEAR TO ME WHAT THE ANSWER WOULD BE NOW OR IN THE FUTURE.

I THINK IT WOULD BE POSITIVE FOR SOME STAFF MEMBERS TO BE ABLE TO TAKE SICK OR SICK UNPAID LEAVE FOR VARIOUS REASONS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT WOULD COME WITH MANY CHALLENGES FOR THE ORGANIZATION.

I DON'T THINK AND I APPRECIATE THAT COUNCIL BEING ON COUNCIL ISN'T A REGULAR JOB.

THEN APPLYING THE SAME CRITERIA FOR LEAVE TO STAFF MEMBERS AS COUNCILMEMBERS PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE.

HOWEVER, I THINK IT'S IF WE CREATE THIS BAR FOR COUNCIL THAT'S TOO INFLEXIBLE AND RIGID, HOW DO WE ATTRACT MORE PEOPLE TO RUN? IT'S A TOUGH QUESTION.

YEAH. ONE I SORT OF WANT MORE TIME TO PONDER.

YEAH. SO I WOULD SUPPORT TAKING ANOTHER WEEK TO SEEK PUBLIC FEEDBACK AND SORT OF SOME MORE QUESTIONS IN REGARD TO WHAT IS AVAILABLE TO STAFF AND WHAT IS NOT. DID YOU WANT MR. VAN DINE TO WEIGH IN ON THAT OPTION NOW, OR IF HE WAS COMFORTABLE DOING SO IN PUBLIC IN THIS SETTING.

MR. VAN DINE. IF NOT, THAT'S OKAY.

SPEAK TO THAT ONE OR THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

I'M HAPPY TO SPEAK TO IT.

SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, THERE IS A CLEAR SEPARATION OF FUNCTION AND RESPONSIBILITIES BETWEEN AN EMPLOYEE AND EMPLOYER, RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE AND SERVING IN AN ELECTED DEMOCRATIC WAY, AND THERE'S LOTS OF GOOD REASONS FOR THAT.

THAT BEING SAID, CERTAINLY FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE, WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR HR PRACTICES ARE MODERN AND CONTEMPORARY AND INCLUSIVE, AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ATTRACTING THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST TO SERVE YELLOWKNIFE AND BE AN EMPLOYER OF CHOICE.

THIS PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCE IS NOT PRESENTED ITSELF IN RECENT DAYS, SO I CAN'T SAY THAT WE'VE WE'VE DETERMINED OR OPINED AND COME TO A NEW POLICY ARRANGEMENT WITH THAT

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. I'VE COUNCILLOR WARBURTON AND THEN COUNCILLOR MCGURK.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

YEAH. I DID STRUGGLE THIS ALL THIS WEEKEND.

THAT WHOLE IDEA OF, YOU KNOW WHAT AN EMPLOYER WOULD DO VERSUS AN ELECTED BODY.

I THINK THE RESIDENTS WERE VERY CLEAR.

THEY WE RAN ON A PLATFORM OF SERVING FOR FOUR YEARS, AND THEY VERY THAT WAS VERY CLEAR THE JOB WHEN WE SIGNED UP FOR IT.

I UNDERSTAND I COMPLETELY EMPATHIZE WITH THE REASONS WHY, BUT ESSENTIALLY SIX MONTHS NOT SIT IN THIS CHAMBER IS NOT WHAT OUR OATH WAS FOR, AND IT'S NOT WHAT OUR RESIDENTS ELECTED US TO DO. SO I HEAR THE WEEK TAKING THE WEEK TO HEAR FROM FOLKS, BUT I THINK THEY WERE VERY CLEAR ON THE CONDITIONS OF WHAT WE'RE SERVING.

I DON'T THINK THAT WAS VAGUE OR NOT IMPLIED.

SO YEAH.

SO FOR THOSE REASONS, I THINK I WOULD NOT SUPPORT THIS LEAVE, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE, IF HE CAN MAKE THREE MEETINGS REMOTELY, THEN GREAT, BUT IF HE CAN'T, THEN I THINK, YEAH, I THINK RESIGNING IS SOMETHING THAT HE SHOULD CONSIDER.

SO I CAN'T SUPPORT LEAVE FOR THAT MUCH TIME.

THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR MCGURK.

YEAH, LIKE FELLOW COUNCILLORS, THIS IS A TRICKY ONE, AND I THINK WE ALL HAVE A LOT OF EMPATHY BECAUSE WE ALL EXPERIENCED THE EVENTS OF LAST YEAR AND HAD OUR OWN EXPERIENCES, AND I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT IT'D HAVE BEEN LIKE TO HAVE CHILDREN AND HAVE TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES ON TOP OF HAVING TO CARE FOR A DEPENDENT.

I THINK THAT IF WE WERE TO SET THIS PRECEDENT OF APPROVING THIS KIND OF LEAVE, WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE POLICIES IN PLACE THAT ALLOW US TO BE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE PUBLIC.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TO THE COUNCILLOR IN QUESTION WHO WOULD WANT TO TAKE THIS LEAVE WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE VERY GOOD REASON.

WE WOULD HAVE TO BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY IT TO THE PUBLIC.

SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'VE REALLY WEIGHED IN MY MIND.

THE PRECEDENT SETTING IS A HUGE THING FOR ME.

IF WE ALLOW COUNCILLOR TO TAKE FOUR MONTHS OFF AND WE DON'T HAVE REALLY CLEAR POLICY IN PLACE, THEN IN THE FUTURE SOMEONE COULD TAKE TIME OFF AND WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO BE FOR THE RIGHT REASONS.

ANOTHER CONSIDERATION THAT I HAD WAS THAT IF COUNCILLORS ARE ABLE TO TAKE TIME OFF FOR PERSONAL MEDICAL LEAVE, I'M NOT SURE IF THEY CAN TAKE TIME OFF FOR FAMILY MEMBERS, BUT THAT COULD BE SOMETHING, AND I DON'T WANT TO BE PRESUMPTUOUS WITH COUNCILLOR FEQUET'S CASE, BUT ADDRESSING SOME COMMENTS FROM FELLOW COUNCILLORS ABOUT MAKING THIS POSITION MORE ACCESSIBLE AND MORE ATTRACTIVE TO PEOPLE FROM DIVERSE BACKGROUNDS.

IF WE WERE TO BE ABLE TO INCLUDE DEPENDENTS AND FAMILY MEMBERS IN THE SORT OF DEFINITION OF TAKING A HEALTH LEAVE AND NOT HAVING TO PUBLICLY LIKE, STATE THAT IS THE REASON THAT IT'S JUST A HEALTH LEAVE, AND I GUESS THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I'D BE INTERESTED IN SUPPORTING, BECAUSE SOMETIMES A MEDICAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL TELLS YOU OR YOUR FAMILY THAT THEY NEED TO TAKE A BREAK AND THEY NEED TIME AND THEY NEED SPACE, AND SO IT WOULD BE CONSIDERATE OF THAT, BUT I THINK THAT ALL OF THAT IS MAYBE STILL QUITE A BIT OF A STRETCH TO ACHIEVE, AND THE PART ABOUT BEING ACCOUNTABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT SETTING A PRECEDENT THAT COULD ALLOW PEOPLE TO ABUSE THIS POTENTIAL POTENTIAL LEAVE IS SOMETHING THAT REALLY CONCERNS ME, AND I THINK IF THE TIME IF THE POINT, IF THE OBJECT OF THE LEAVE IS TO RECONNECT AND REPRIORITIZE, THEN THERE IS MAYBE A DEEPER QUESTION AS TO WHAT YOU ARE DOING WITH YOUR WITH YOUR CAREER AND YOUR SERVICE TO THE PUBLIC AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU SHOULD BE REFLECTING ON THAT AS WELL.

I GUESS I DO ALSO HAVE JUST ONE QUESTION THAT GOES ALONG WITH THIS, WHICH IS DO WE HAVE ANY CONSIDERATIONS LEGALLY ON THE

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I GUESS IF WE WERE TO JUST APPROVE THIS, WHAT KIND OF POLICY WOULD WE HAVE TO IMPLEMENT? AND WOULD WE HAVE TO HAVE SPECIFIC LEGAL TERMS TO DEFINE IT SO THAT NO COUNCILLOR COULD JUST, YOU KNOW, TAKE FOUR MONTHS, LEAVE WILLY-NILLY.

WITH THE COUNCIL PROCEDURES BYLAW IS WRITTEN RIGHT NOW IS AT THE DISCRETION OF COUNCIL, AND SO IF WE ACTUALLY CREATED A POLICY AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF JURISDICTIONS, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT SASKATOON.

THEY JUST CREATED A LEAVE POLICY, AND THEY'VE ACTUALLY GOT A REALLY THOROUGH BACKGROUND DOCUMENT.

ONE OF THE THINGS SASKATOON DID WAS IT'S ABOUT MATERNITY PATERNITY, SICK LEAVE, BUT THEY HAVE STILL KEPT IN AND ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. SO A COUNCIL MEMBER COULD MAKE A REQUEST AT ANY TIME AND THEN COUNCIL GIVES IT DUE CONSIDERATION, BUT FOR THE MOMENT, IF A COUNCIL MEMBER WANTS TO MISS THREE CONSECUTIVE MEETINGS COUNCIL CAN GRANT THEM THE PERMISSION ON WHATEVER BASIS THEY WANT BUT MR. VAN DINE, ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD.

NO, THAT'S CORRECT, MADAM CHAIR.

THANK YOU, AND THEN THE QUESTION WOULD BE TO WHAT EXTENT YOU MIGHT WANT TO REVISIT SOME OF THE PROCEDURAL BYLAW OR OTHER ASPECTS TO ADJUST AND GO THROUGH THE DUE PROCESS TO DO THAT, AND THAT OBVIOUSLY WOULD BENEFIT FROM A WIDE OPEN AIRING OF ALL THE QUESTIONS AND ISSUES AND DO CONVERSATION AND CONSIDERATION. THE SASKATOON EXAMPLE IS AN INTERESTING CASE STUDY THAT WE HAVEN'T TURNED OUR ATTENTION TO AT THIS JUNCTURE, BUT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DOWNSTREAM.

THANK YOU. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT MIGHT BE A LOT OF WORK FOR ADMINISTRATION IF WE DECIDE TO DO THAT.

JUST I WOULD SAY THAT I AM ALSO SUPPORTIVE OF TAKING THE WEEK, AND THAT'S EVERYTHING.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR ARDEN-SMITH. THANK YOU.

I HAVE TO AGREE WITH COUNCILLOR WARBURTON ON THIS ONE.

WHEN WE WERE ELECTED, WE MADE A PROMISE TO THE PUBLIC THAT WE WOULD DEDICATE FOUR YEARS, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD TAKE THIS POSITION SERIOUSLY.

NOT THAT COUNCILLOR FEQUET DOESN'T TAKE IT SERIOUSLY, BUT FOUR YEARS IS, IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, IS IN A BLINK OF AN EYE.

I THINK WHEN WE START SETTING PRECEDENTS SUCH AS THESE AND WE START ALLOWING LEAVE WE START GETTING INTO A GRAY AREA, I BELIEVE.

YEAH. I'M JUST TRYING TO COLLECT MY THOUGHTS HERE.

I REMEMBER IN 2021 YOU KNOW, MY HOME BURNED DOWN AND, YOU KNOW, LIFE AS I KNEW IT, MY OWN PERSONAL LIFE, BUT I NEVER WAVERED ON THIS POSITION WHATSOEVER.

I STAYED STRONG, AND I KNEW THAT THERE WAS A JOB STILL TO BE DONE HERE.

SO I THINK FROM A GOVERNANCE PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND WE ARE HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD, AS COUNCILLOR COCHRANE HAD INDICATED AND POINTED OUT, THIS ROLE IS A SERIOUS ROLE AND TO BE GONE FROM IT FOR 4 TO 6 MONTHS EVEN PHYSICALLY, NOT BEING HERE WITHIN THE CITY, YOU MISS OUT ON, YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNING BODY THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE REPRESENTING, AND THAT'S HUGE IN ITSELF.

SO I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF ALLOWING TO LEAVE, AND I WOULD STRONGLY SUGGEST A RESIGNATION.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR PAYNE.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

SOMEBODY MENTIONED EARLIER THAT IT WAS A TRICKY SITUATION.

I DON'T KNOW HOW TRICKY IT IS.

I THINK IT'S MORE UNCOMFORTABLE, RIGHT? WE'RE ASKED TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT SOMEBODY WHO WE CARE ABOUT AND WHO WE'VE LEARNED TO WORK WITH OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, AND WE RESPECT AS A COLLEAGUE YOU KNOW, THE CITY YELLOWKNIFE.

I MEAN, I LOVE IT HERE AND BUT IT IS A 12 MONTH A YEAR JOB, AND THE PEOPLE OF THE GOOD PEOPLE OF YELLOWKNIFE HAVE GIVEN US THEIR TRUST, AND THEY VOTED US IN TO PROVIDE DIRECTION ON THEIR BEHALF FOR THIS CITY AND ADMINISTRATION HAS GRACIOUSLY TAKEN OUR DIRECTION EVERY TIME AND, YOU KNOW, A PART OF BEING IN THIS ROLE IS WALKING THOSE STREETS AND DRIVING THOSE STREETS AND TALKING TO THE PEOPLE, AND IT'S HARD TO DO WHEN YOU'RE NOT HERE.

I HOPE ALL THE BEST FOR COUNCILLOR FEQUET AND HIS TRAVELS AND, AND I HOPE THAT HIM AND HIS FAMILY GET FROM THAT WHAT THEY

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THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR PAYNE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE DRIVING AROUND.

YOU'RE WALKING AROUND PLANTING TREES, ENGAGING WITH THE PUBLIC, GEEZ.

[CHUCKLING] IF WE CAN GET SOME TREES IN THE CITY TO PLANT, I WILL PLANT THEM.

OKAY, WE'LL WORK ON THAT ONE FOR THE NEXT.

YEAH, APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS TODAY.

THERE'S MANY CONSIDERATIONS, I THINK, FOR THIS.

I DID TAKE A LOOK AT AT WHAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ARE DOING, AND IT DOES SEEM LEAVE POLICIES ARE FOR MATERNITY, PATERNITY LEAVE, MEDICAL OR COMPASSIONATE CARE, OR TEMPORARY UNPAID LEAVE FOR POLITICAL REASONS WHEN COUNCIL MEMBERS RUN FOR ANOTHER OFFICE.

I THINK THE CHALLENGE FOR ME IS IF WE IF WE DO GRANT LEAVE FOR COUNCILLOR FEQUET, IT DOES IMPACT QUORUM, AND THEN IF SOMEBODY DOES HAVE A MEDICAL LEAVE SOMEBODY ELSE IS AWAY.

IT DOES START TO IMPACT BUSINESS, AND IF SOMEBODY ELSE ON COUNCIL WANTS ANOTHER FOUR MONTHS UNPAID LEAVE, WE'RE STARTING TO GET DOWN ON THOSE NUMBERS, AND SO WITHOUT A CLEAR POLICY OR IDEA OF HOW THIS COULD WORK AT THIS TIME, I WOULDN'T BE IN SUPPORT. I DO THINK THAT IT'S ONE THAT TENDS TO GET KICKED DOWN.

IN OUR IN OUR WORKLOAD IS A LEAVE POLICY BECAUSE IN PARTICULAR, I THINK OF THE MATERNITY AND PATERNITY LEAVE, WHICH I'VE SEEN ACTUALLY OTHER JURISDICTIONS CALL FAMILY LEAVE SO THAT IT DOES ENCOMPASS AN ADOPTION OR IF YOU DO NEED TO TAKE LEAVE FOR A FAMILY MEMBER.

A LOT OF THOSE ALSO, THOUGH, FOLKS AREN'T ACTUALLY TAKING VERY MUCH LEAVE.

THEY ARE PARTICIPATING ELECTRONICALLY AS AS SOON AS THEY CAN.

SO FOR ME, AT THIS TIME I WOULDN'T BE IN SUPPORT OF GRANTING PERMISSION TO BE ABSENT FOR THREE MONTHS.

IT DOES.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE THREE MONTHS COUNCIL MEMBERS WITHOUT PERMISSION FROM COUNCIL, COULD MISS UP TO TWO MONTHS, UP TO EIGHT WEEKS BEFORE THEY HAVE TO MAKE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING.

SO I THINK THERE THERE IS SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THAT ALREADY TO TAKE SOME LEAVE IF NEEDED.

SO AT THIS TIME I WOULDN'T BE IN SUPPORT OF GRANTING THE PERMISSION.

I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBERS DID A COUPLE MENTIONED NEEDING A BIT OF TIME.

I AM HOWEVER, HEARING THE MAJORITY ARE IN SUPPORT OF OF NOT GRANTING THE PERMISSION.

WE DO HAVE THIS WEEK, NEXT WEEK, AND THE MOTION WOULD COME FORWARD ON MONDAY, OCTOBER 28TH AT 7 P.M.

IF THE MOTION READ THAT COUNCIL DOES NOT GRANT COUNCILLOR FEQUET PERMISSION TO BE ABSENT FOR THREE CONSECUTIVE REGULAR MEETINGS OF COUNCIL BETWEEN NOW AND OCTOBER 28TH, AN AMENDMENT COULD BE BROUGHT FORWARD AT THAT MEETING.

IF PEOPLE DECIDE ACTUALLY WE DO WANT TO GRANT COUNCILLOR FEQUET PERMISSION TO BE ABSENT FOR THREE MEETINGS.

SO JUST WONDERING IF FOLKS WOULD BE OKAY WITH ADVANCING IT JUST TO COUNCIL OR IF YOU WOULD LIKE IT FOR ONE MORE GPC BEFORE IT'S BROUGHT TO COUNCIL.

COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN.

SO YOU KNOW, THE WAY THE DISCUSSION HAS GONE, I GUESS I'LL SHOW ALL OF MY CARDS, EVEN THOUGH I THINK IT WAS PRETTY OBVIOUS.

TO BE CLEAR, I DON'T NEED THE TIME PERSONALLY.

I THINK THE PUBLIC DESERVES THE TIME.

PERSONALLY, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THE MAJORITY.

I PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF GRANTING THIS LEAVE BUT I THINK WHILE THERE'S SOME PRESUMPTIONS THAT THE PUBLIC MAY HAVE THEIR OPINION, I DON'T KNOW THAT'S ACTUALLY TRUE, FOR ONE.

TWO, I DON'T THINK IT'S, FOR ME, I'M NOT GOING TO JUMP TO THE CONCLUSION OF COUNCILLOR FEQUET SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T RESIGN.

THAT'S NOT OUR JOB TO SAY, ACTUALLY; OUR JOB IS TO SAY, ARE WE GRANTING LEAVE BEYOND THREE MEETINGS.

IT'S UP TO HIM IF HE DECIDES TO TRY AND JOIN REMOTELY UP TO THREE MEETINGS.

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SO IF MY COLLEAGUES IN THE MAJORITY WANT TO MAKE THAT DECISION, I'M HAPPY TO GO ALONG WITH THAT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE MY I DON'T SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD WITH IT. I DO THINK WE, LIKE YELLOWKNIFE, ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE THE CHANCE TO ENGAGE WITH COUNCILLOR FEQUET AFTER THIS.

SO ULTIMATELY, WHILE I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE A BREATHER AS A GROUP, IF THE MAJORITY SAYS NO, DON'T TAKE THAT BREATHER, THAT'S FINE WITH ME, ACTUALLY, ON A PERSONAL, YOU KNOW, DECISION MAKING BASIS, BUT I DO HOPE THAT JUST AS YOU THINK ABOUT THIS, RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE NO SAY OVER DOES HE RESIGN OR NOT TODAY.

OUR STRICT DECISION IS DO WE GRANT LEAVE BEYOND THREE DAYS? HE MAY CHOOSE TO GO FOR THIS PERIOD OF TIME AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO JOIN US EVERY THIRD MEETING REMOTELY, AND WHILE THAT MAY NOT BE GREAT FOR SOME PEOPLE, THAT'S HIS DECISION.

SO JUST HAVE THAT THINKING IN YOUR BRAIN AS WE MAKE THIS CALL AND AS WE HEAR FROM YELLOWKNIFE, BECAUSE THAT'S THE ACTUAL DECISION BEFORE US, NOT SHOULD HE STAY OR SHOULD HE GO. SO I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT ADDITIONAL CONTEXT.

THANKS, MADAM MAYOR, BUT JUST TO BE CLEAR, I AM FINE WITH IF THE MAJORITY IS NOT IN FAVOR, WHICH I'M ACTUALLY PART OF THAT MAJORITY, I'M FINE WITH NOT PROCEEDING THIS TO COUNCIL FURTHER.

YEAH. SO MY RECOMMENDATION THOUGH WOULD BE THAT IT IS A MOTION AND COUNCIL IS SUPPOSED TO SHOW UP WITH AN OPEN MIND.

SO YOU KNOW, COME OCTOBER 28TH COUNCIL GETS THE NEXT TWO WEEKS TO ENGAGE, AND THE MOTION WOULD BE THAT COUNCIL DOES NOT GRANT COUNCILLOR FEQUET PERMISSION TO BE ABSENT FOR THREE CONSECUTIVE REGULAR MEETINGS OF COUNCIL, AND THEN COUNCIL CAN CHOOSE, YOU KNOW, I TOOK THE TWO WEEKS I THOUGHT OF IT, AND I ACTUALLY DO WANT TO GIVE HIM PERMISSION AT THE MEETING ON OCTOBER 28TH.

YOU COULD MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO STRIKE THE DOES NOT, AND COUNCIL WOULD THEN BE GRANTING COUNCILLOR FEQUET PERMISSION TO BE ABSENT FOR THREE CONSECUTIVE MEETINGS. SO DEPUTY MAYOR COCHRANE.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

I FULLY AGREE THAT THE TWO WEEKS IS MORE THAN ENOUGH PERIOD THAT WE DO NOT NEED TO PUT IT DOWN TO ANOTHER GPC IF THE PUBLIC WISHES TO BE ABLE TO CORRESPOND WITH US DURING THAT TIME THERE IS MORE THAN AMPLE TIME FOR THAT, AND THERE'LL BE MORE THAN AMPLE TIME AT THE COUNCIL MEETING TO AMEND IT.

MY BELIEF, AND I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, IS NOT SAYING THAT WE WOULD FORCE HIS RESIGNATION.

IT IS AN ADVICE TO RESIGN IF HE SO CHOOSES TO TAKE THIS TIME AS A BEST COURSE OF ACTION FOR THE PRECEDENT, AND JUST TO EVEN SPEAK OF THE PRECEDENT, I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO ESTABLISH THAT PRECEDENT BEFORE WE ESTABLISH POLICY AROUND THIS, AS I WOULD HIGHLY DOUBT IT WOULD BE AS LIBERAL AS THIS WHEN WE WOULD GO FORWARD INTO A NEW LEAVE POLICY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COMMENTS DISCUSSION.

SO WE WILL ADVANCE THE MOTION THAT SAYS THAT COUNCIL DOES NOT GRANT COUNCILLOR FEQUET PERMISSION TO BE ABSENT FOR THREE CONSECUTIVE REGULAR MEETINGS OF COUNCIL, AND THAT WOULD COME FORWARD ON MONDAY, OCTOBER 28TH AT 7 P.M, AND AGAIN TAKING THE NEXT TWO WEEKS TO CHAT WITH CONSTITUENTS. THIS WILL ALSO ALLOW AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS TO COME TO THAT MEETING ON OCTOBER 28TH AT 7 P.M..

THEY CAN BE A DELEGATION PERTAINING TO AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA, AND THEN THEY CAN SPEAK IN FAVOR OR AGAINST THE MOTION AS PRESENTED.

SEEING NOTHING FURTHER, IF I CAN GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

MOVED BY COUNCILLOR ARDEN-SMITH.

WE WILL SEE EVERYBODY TONIGHT AT 7 P.M..

HAVE A GOOD AFTERNOON.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.