Jun 03, 2024 Governance & Priorities Committee

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THE PRIORITIES COMMITTEE MEETING FOR MONDAY, JUNE 3RD, 2024 TO ORDER, AND I'LL BEGIN BY READING OUR OPENING STATEMENT.

[1. Opening Statement]

FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL, IT HAS BEEN THE TRADITIONAL LAND OF THE YELLOWKNIVES DENE FIRST NATION.

WE RESPECT THE HISTORIES, LANGUAGES AND CULTURES OF ALL OTHER INDIGENOUS PEOPLES, INCLUDING THE NORTH SLAVE METIS AND ALL FIRST NATIONS METIS AND INUIT WHOSE PRESENCE CONTINUES TO ENRICH OUR VIBRANT COMMUNITY.

MISS WHITE, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE AGENDA?

[2. Approval of the agenda]

AND DISCLOSURE OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN THE GENERAL NATURE THEREOF.

ANY DISCLOSURE? NOPE. SO WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE TO OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA, A MEMORANDUM REGARDING WHETHER TO DISPOSE OF CITY LAND AND AMEND THE ZONING

[4. A memorandum regarding whether to dispose of city land and amend the Zoning By‐law to permit the creation of a site specific zone on Lots 24, Block 13 Plan 1244 and a portion of Lot 1001 Quad 85J/8.]

SO A NICE EASY ONE TO RATTLED OFF THERE.

MISS WHITE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE ITEM? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THE APPLICATIONS ARE FOR CONSIDERATION OF A ZONING AMENDMENT AND DISPOSAL OF CITY PROPERTY.

AS MENTIONED, NARWHAL NORTHERN ADVENTURES BEGAN AS A HOME BASED BUSINESS AND DUE TO THEIR SUCCESS, HAVE GROWN INTO A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS THAT IS LOOKING TO EXPAND.

I WILL ASK ANDREW TREGER TO PERFORM OR PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATIONS AND ADMINISTRATION'S RECOMMENDATIONS, ANDREW.

PERFECT. AND JUST ANDREW, JUST BEFORE YOU CAN COME UP, BUT JUST BEFORE YOU START YOUR PRESENTATION THE CITY CLERK IS [INAUDIBLE] ON THE PHONE? NO. OKAY, SO SHE MAY CALL IN, AND IF SHE DOES, SHE'LL BE GIVEN THE SAME TEN MINUTES AS ADMINISTRATION TO PROVIDE ANY INFORMATION OR BACKGROUND.

IF SHE'S NOT ABLE TO CALL IN TODAY, SHE'LL ALSO BE ABLE TO COME TO COUNCIL NEXT WEEK WHEN IT ACTUALLY COMES TO COUNCIL FOR REVIEW.

SO FOR NOW THOUGH, ANDREW, TAKE IT AWAY.

THANKS VERY MUCH.

SO LET'S JUST SEE HOW THIS WORKS OKAY.

SO THE SUBJECT LINES HIGHLIGHTED ON THIS SLIDE ARE LOCATED AT 4702 ANDERSON THOMPSON BOULEVARD, LOT 24, BLOCK 13, AND ON A PORTION OF LOT 1001, QUAD 85J/8 TO THE SOUTHWEST OF YELLOWKNIFE BAY.

SO THE PROPOSAL IS RELATED TO APPLICATIONS SUBMITTED IN 2021 FOR THE PURCHASE AND REZONING OF THE SUBJECT LANDS TO R-2 RESIDENTIAL LOW LOW DENSITY UNDER THE PREVIOUS ZONING BYLAW ZONING BYLAW 4404.

THE GOVERNMENT GOVERNANCE AND PRIORITIES COMMITTEE RECEIVED A MEMORANDUM REGARDING THE PROPOSAL ON NOVEMBER 1ST, 2021, WITH PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT'S RECOMMENDATION THAT THE APPLICATIONS BE DENIED.

ON NOVEMBER 8TH, COUNCIL PASSED MOTION 174-21, WHICH STATED THAT AN APPLICATION OF PURCHASE OF 567 SQUARE METER PORTION OF LOT 1001 QUAD 85J/8 BY THE OWNER OF 402 ANDERSON THOMPSON OF LOT 24, BLOCK 13 BE REFERRED BACK TO ADMINISTRATION FOR FURTHER CONSULTATION AND RESOLUTION WITH THE PROPONENT.

SO THE NEW ZONING BYLAW AMENDMENT AND LAND PURCHASE APPLICATION WERE SUBMITTED IN 2023 ON APRIL 19TH.

LETTERS OF COMPLETE APPLICATION WERE SUBMITTED BACK TO THE APPLICANT ON INCOMPLETE APPLICATION WERE SENT BACK OUT TO THE APPLICANT ON MAY 24TH, 2023 AND THEN ON OCTOBER 12TH, 2023.

ON DECEMBER 11TH, 2023, THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT FOUND THAT THE APPLICATION WAS SATISFACTORY TO BE RECEIVED. NOTICES OF APPLICATION WERE CIRCULATED TO NEIGHBORS FOR PUBLIC CONSULTATION ON JANUARY 20TH JANUARY 4TH, 2024, AND THE PLANNING JUSTIFICATION REPORT WAS PREPARED AND COMPLETED ON OR I GUESS COMPLETED ON APRIL 11TH, 2024.

SO THE APPLICATION IS TO AMEND ZONING BYLAW 5045 TO CREATE A SITE SPECIFIC ZONE ON LOTS 24, BLOCK 13, AND THE PORTION OF LOT 1001 QUAD 85J/8.

THE LAND APPLICATION TO IS THERE'S A LAND APPLICATION RUNNING CONCURRENTLY TO PURCHASE A 511 METER SQUARE METER PORTION OF CITY OWNED LOT 1001, THAT WAS SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION.

IT IS THE APPLICANT'S INTENT TO CONSOLIDATE THE PIECES WITH THEIR EXISTING LOT.

SO IN REVIEWING THE PROPOSAL, THE COMMUNITY PLAN PROVIDES PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES FOR EACH LAND USE DESIGNATION IN ORDER TO GUIDE GROWTH AND DEVELOP THE COMMUNITY.

THE PROPOSED USE OF THIS PROPOSED USE DOES NOT CONFORM WITH SEVERAL OF THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES FOR LANDS DESIGNATED AS OLD TOWN.

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THERE'S ADDITIONAL DETAILS PROVIDED IN THE PLANNING REPORT.

SO JUST REALLY HIGH LEVEL, A NUMBER OF THESE OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES RELATE TO THE ACCESS OF THE SITE AND LETTERS IN THE INCOMPLETE APPLICATION LETTERS.

DATED MAY 24TH AND OCTOBER 12TH, 2023, THE APPLICATION WAS REQUESTED TO SUBMIT A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS TO CLARIFY THE ACCESSIBILITY OF THE SITE.

POTENTIAL IMPACTS ON ADJACENT ROADS.

HOWEVER, THIS WAS NOT SUBMITTED.

A FURTHER REVIEW OF THE APPLICATION, PER THE ZONING BYLAW, REVEALED THAT THE PROPOSAL DID NOT CONFORM TO THE ACCESS PROPOSED LANDSCAPING AND JUST GENERALLY DID NOT CONFORM.

AND AGAIN, THE DETAILS THERE'S ADDITIONAL DETAILS IN THE PLANNING REPORT.

SO BECAUSE OF THOSE INCONSISTENCIES OR NON-CONFORMITIES WITH THE OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN, AND BECAUSE IT DID NOT COMPLY WITH THE ZONING BYLAW AS AMENDED, THE POTENTIAL RISKS ASSOCIATED, ESPECIALLY FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS WE FOUND THEM TO NOT BE APPROPRIATELY ADDRESSED.

AND THEREFORE IT WAS OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT THE PROPOSED DISPOSAL OF LAND AND ZONING BYLAW AMENDMENT TO CREATE A SITE SPECIFIC USE BE DENIED, AND JUST THE APPLICATION AS PRESENTED DID NOT REPRESENT GOOD LAND USE PLANNING.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT, ANDREW.

DOES COMMITTEE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.

I'LL START WITH YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, AND THANKS FOR THAT.

WHERE DO I START.

SO IN LOOKING AT THE LIST OF REASONS TO TURN THIS DOWN, I ALSO SEE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT IT DOES MEET IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN.

SO DID YOU IN FOR THAT SECTION OLD TOWN.

SO WAS THERE CONSIDERATION OR WEIGHT GIVEN TO THOSE TWO KIND OF OPPOSITES I GUESS.

LIKE IT CALLS FOR COMMERCIAL USES, IT CALLS FOR ECONOMIC DIVERSITY, ETC..

SO YEAH.

SO WE DEFINITELY LOOKED AT ALL THE IT WAS THERE WAS A LOT OF THERE'S A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR THIS KIND OF THING IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN.

HOWEVER, THE SUPPORT IS WHERE IT'S APPROPRIATE.

COMMERCIAL USES, WHERE APPROPRIATE.

YOU'LL SEE THIS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY PLAN.

SO THIS WAS JUST A CASE OF IT NOT BEING LOCATED WHERE APPROPRIATE.

SO THOSE THINGS DIDN'T APPLY IN THIS CASE.

THANKS. AND THERE WAS SOME.

I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S YOU OR OR PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT THERE WAS A CONVERSATION AROUND EMERGENCY ACCESS, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

BUT THE COMMUNITY PLAN DOES SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT US BUYING SMALLER APPARATUS AS OPPOSED TO CONVERTING ENTIRE ROADS.

SO WAS THERE KIND OF THOUGHT OR CONVERSATION AROUND WHERE WE AT, I GUESS AS A COMMUNITY AND LOOKING AT DOING THAT, OR ARE YOU SOLELY LOOKING AT JUST ROADS CHANGING TO HIGHER STANDARD? SO THAT WHETHER WE BUY A SMALL APPARATUS OR SOMETHING, IT KIND OF FELL OUTSIDE OF THIS APPLICATION, OBVIOUSLY.

THERE WAS NOTHING PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT AS A SOLUTION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT WOULD HELP ME COME TO THE CONSIDERATION OF ALLOWING IT IN THIS CASE. YEAH, WE REALLY, REALLY CONSIDERED IT FROM KIND OF ALL THE ANGLES POSSIBLE.

AND IT REALLY JUST CAME DOWN TO CURRENTLY AS PROPOSED, DID NOT MEET THE COMMUNITY PLAN.

AND THAT CURRENT ZONING THERE IN OLD TOWN MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT DOES ALLOW FOR MULTIFAMILY IN THAT AREA.

SO WOULD ALL THE SAME THINGS APPLY IF SOMEONE WAS DOING ANY KIND OF PERMITTED USE IN REGARD TO TRAFFIC, FIRE, THAT KIND OF THING? SO YES, WE DO A WE DO.

I MEAN, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY AND LET ME KNOW IF I'M NOT.

WE WOULD REVIEW IT IN TERMS OF FIRE SAFETY AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.

THERE'S SPECIFIC LINES IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT BEING FOCUSED ALONG THE MAIN AVENUES.

THOSE SAME LINES DON'T APPLY TO MULTI-UNIT DEVELOPMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ZONING OR THE COMMUNITY PLAN TO SEE WHAT DOES APPLY TO MULTI-UNIT.

THIS IS VERY SPECIFICALLY FOCUSED ON COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THERE? YEAH. AND THEN I GUESS MAYBE FROM MISS WHITE, SO IF ANYONE WANTS TO ACTUALLY CHANGE THE USE FROM SINGLE FAMILY TO ANY USE THAT'S ALLOWED, PERMITTED, OR NEEDS OUR PERMISSION WOULD ALL THE SAME RULES APPLY?

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WOULD THEY HAVE TO UPGRADE ROADS? LIKE, I KNOW IT'S DEVELOPMENT BY DEVELOPMENT, BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT TO CHANGE ANYTHING, IT'S ON THE PROPONENT TO MITIGATE ALL THE ISSUES WE PERCEIVE IN OLD TOWN RIGHT NOW. JUST TO CLARIFY SO THIS ISN'T A CHANGE OF USE, IT'S A REZONING.

THAT'S OKAY. OKAY.

SO WE DO HAVE A CHANGE OF USE PROCESS, WHICH IS OUTLINED IN THE ZONING BYLAW.

AND THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT PERMIT THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED POTENTIALLY DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

EVERY APPLICATION THAT IS MADE IS REVIEWED ON A SITE SPECIFIC BASIS FOR THOSE APPLICATIONS PERMITTED, USE OR OTHERWISE.

SO TO ANSWER ONE SPECIFIC USE VERSUS ANOTHER WOULD BE COMPLETELY DEPENDENT ON WHAT THE SITE IS, WHAT THE ROAD CONDITION IS, AND WHAT EVERY OTHER PIECE IS.

IT SERVICED? IS IT TRUCKED? ALL OF THOSE PIECES COME INTO CONSIDERATION.

AND AS I STATED, IT'S ALL OUTLINED IN THE ZONING BYLAW.

THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR WARBURTON THANK YOU.

SO THE SO IF THERE'S LIKE SAY A SUBSTANDARD ROAD LIKE IS BROUGHT UP IN THE APPLICATION SO THE CITY DOESN'T ADDRESS ANY OF THESE SUBSTANDARD OR THESE ISSUES WE HAVE UNTIL SOMEONE DEVELOPS IN THOSE AREAS.

IS THAT THE CURRENT APPROACH? SORRY, MISS WHITE.

THANK YOU. AND I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK TO THE ROADS PROCESS.

WE WHEN WE LOOK AT IT, WE DO TAKE A LOOK AT ALL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE, NOT JUST ROADS AND THE CONDITION IT'S IN AT THE TIME OF THE APPLICATION, AS WELL AS WHAT IS BEING APPLIED FOR AND WHAT INTENSITY CHANGE THERE WOULD BE BASED ON ANY CHANGE OF USE IN THAT AREA.

I CAN ASK MISS NEWTON IF SHE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE ROAD SPECIFIC MATTER.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

REGARDING ROADS, DEPENDING ON WHERE THE ROAD IS AND WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT IS, WOULD DEPEND ON WHETHER THE CITY WOULD TAKE ON UPGRADING THAT ROAD OR LIKE WITH WHAT WE SAW WITH THE SOUL FOODS DEVELOPMENT AND OLD AIRPORT ROAD, WHERE THERE WAS A COST SHARING TO UPGRADE ROADS.

SO IT'S EXTREMELY DEVELOPMENT DEPENDENT.

THANK YOU. I'M SURE I HAVE SOME MORE COMMENTS LATER, BUT THAT'S IT FOR QUESTIONS.

OKAY, PERFECT. COUNCILLOR COCHRANE DO YOU WANT TO.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. CHAIR.

I GUESS A FEW TECHNICAL THINGS OR A TECHNICAL QUESTION.

IF A FIRE EMERGENCY HAPPENS ON THAT LAND, WHAT IS THE PROCESS HERE? DO THEY WOULD THEY HAVE TO JUST TAKE DIRECTLY FROM THE LAKE, OR ARE THEY TRAVELING BACK AND FORTH TO THE CITY OR TO THE FIRE HALL TO GET MORE WATER AND GO BACK DOWN? MISS WHITE, MR. MCLEAN. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

AS PER ALL NON-HYDROGEN AREAS IN THE CITY, FIRE FIGHTING APPLICATION FOR NON-HYDROGEN AREAS IS WHAT'S CALLED A TENDER SHUTTLE.

WE FILL UP OUR TWO WATER TENDERS WE HAVE AT HYDROGEN SOURCE.

WE TRANSPORT TO THE AREA.

WE POUR INTO WHAT'S CALLED A PORTABLE WATER TANK.

IT'S A STATIC WATER TANK THAT WE HAVE.

WE DRAFT FROM THAT AND THEN USE THE WATER IN A FIREFIGHTING APPLICATION.

DRAFTING FROM LAKES IS NOT SOMETHING WE DO PRIMARILY BECAUSE WE DON'T DO ANALYSIS OF THE DEPTHS OF ALL THE WATER BODIES.

IT IS AN APPLICATION THAT COULD BE USED, BUT IT'S WHEN IT COMES TO LIFE SAFETY, IT'S NOT RELIABLE.

WHEN YOU START THINKING ABOUT YOU KNOW, SUCKING UP SEDIMENT AND ROCKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, DAMAGING YOUR EQUIPMENT.

SO WE USED VERIFIED WATER SOURCES.

THAT IS OUR HYDRANT SYSTEM.

THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU, DIRECTOR MCLEAN.

WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE STRUCTURE THAT IS CURRENTLY LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY [INAUDIBLE] IF WE DENY THIS PROPOSAL? MISS WHITE, THE CITY WILL HAVE TO UNDERTAKE ENFORCEMENT OF OF THE PROPERTY.

SO WE'LL FOLLOW.

WE HAVE ZONING BYLAW IN PLACE, AND WE'LL FOLLOW THE STEPS THAT ARE OUTLINED WITHIN THE ZONING BYLAW.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALSO, HAVE THERE BEEN RECOMMENDATIONS FOR OTHER PIECES OF PROPERTY WITHIN OLD TOWN THAT WOULD BE WITHIN MORE IN LINE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY PLAN FOR APPLICATION OF THIS PROJECT? MISS WHITE.

THE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT DOESN'T PROVIDE REAL ESTATE ADVICE OR LAND ADVICE.

IF SOMEBODY COMES TO US WITH A PROPOSAL, WE WILL ABSOLUTELY HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

WHAT I CAN SAY IN THIS SITUATION WAS IT WAS ADVISED THERE ARE CURRENTLY LANDS BOTH OWNED BY THE CITY, AS WELL AS PRIVATE LANDS THAT ARE ZONED AND DESIGNATED FOR THE USE AS PROPOSED.

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THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU, ACTING CITY MANAGER WHITE.

THIS ONE'S A DIFFICULT ONE FOR ME.

I SEE THE USE AND I SEE THAT IT'S EXISTED ON THAT PROPERTY.

AND IT SEEMS THAT MOST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR AT LEAST HALF THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S INCLINED.

THE OTHER HALF IS NOT.

I DON'T NECESSARILY FEEL COMFORTABLE ABOUT PUTTING THIS THERE FOR TRAFFIC REASONS.

I THINK THERE ARE OTHER PLACES WITHIN OLD TOWN WITHIN LINE OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN THAT WOULD BE BETTER APPLICABLE FOR THIS.

SO AT THIS TIME, I WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTING IT GOING FORWARD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR QUESTIONS.

DEPUTY MAYOR AND COUNCILLOR PAYNE.

THANK YOU.

JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

TRAFFIC STUDY.

I MEAN, THIS BUSINESS HAS BEEN OPERATING DOWN THERE FOR DECADES.

IS THERE REALLY A NEED FOR A TRAFFIC STUDY AT THE, IT'S IT'S NOT A CHEAP THING TO UNDERTAKE FOR A SMALL BUSINESS.

MISS WHITE, GO AHEAD.

THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

AND SO, WITH AN EXPANSION OF ANY COMMERCIAL USE, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A RESIDENTIAL AREA.

A TRAFFIC STUDY ISN'T NECESSARILY JUST ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.

IT'S ABOUT THE USE AND THE IMPACTS ON THE ROADWAY AND THE SYSTEM ITSELF.

IT CAN BE SCALED BASED ON A TRAFFIC STUDY FOR A LARGE AREA OR A TRAFFIC STUDY FOR SOMETHING SMALLER, LIKE AN INDIVIDUAL BUSINESS ON A PROPERTY.

SO WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE WORKING WITH AN APPLICANT WHEN WE ASK FOR THESE THINGS TO MAKE IT ALIGN WITH WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING.

SO THERE IS DEFINITELY SCALABILITY WHEN WE ASK FOR SOMETHING LIKE A TRAFFIC STUDY.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

THANK YOU. I MEAN, I LOOK AT THIS BUSINESS, AND, AND CATHY'S BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME, AND SHE STARTED OFF PRETTY, PRETTY SMALL. AND SHE'S GROWN OVER THE YEARS AND, YOU KNOW.

TO ME, THIS IS A GOOD THING THAT THIS BUSINESS HAS HAS GROWN.

I MEAN, IT OFFERS A LOT TO THE COMMUNITY.

WHEN WE SENT THIS BACK FOR FOR ADMIN TO FIND A RESOLUTION, MY THOUGHTS WHEN WE SENT THIS BACK A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WAS THAT WE SUPPORTED WHAT SHE WAS TRYING TO DO, BUT WE JUST WANTED TO FIND A WAY FORWARD.

AND AND HAD BEEN COULD COME BACK WITH A RESOLUTION TO FIND A WAY FORWARD THAT SHE COULD GET WHAT SHE WANTS IN, IN A, IN A LEGAL WAY, IN AN ACCEPTABLE WAY THAT EVERYBODY'S HAPPY.

SO NOW IT'S COMING BACK TO US AND IT'S IT'S BEING, IT'S BEING ASKED OF US TO DENY THIS, SO I'M JUST NOT UNDERSTANDING WHERE YOU KNOW WHAT OUR INTENT.

I KNOW WHAT OUR INTENTION WAS, BUT IT'S NOT COMING BACK IN THAT WAY.

SO, JUST FOR CLARITY, REALLY, DID ADMIN GO AND TRY WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO TRY AND FIND A SOLUTION OR JUST REVIEW THE PLANNING APPLICATION? YEAH, YEAH. BECAUSE I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YELLOWKNIFE IS A SMALL TOWN AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MANY DIFFERENT KINDS OF DEVELOPMENTS HAPPENING HERE.

AND THE PROCESS IS PRETTY, PRETTY ONEROUS AT TIMES.

YOU KNOW, I THINK IS THERE A WAY THAT THIS PROJECT COULD GO AHEAD WHILE MEETING WHAT WE WANT TO DO IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN? I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE THIS LITTLE 6000 SQUARE FOOT LOT OF LAND.

I MEAN, WHAT ELSE IS IT THERE FOR? LIKE, THERE'S THERE'S NOT REALLY ANYTHING GOING DOWN THERE.

I MEAN, SHE'S BEEN EXISTING IN THAT SPACE FOR A LONG TIME.

THERE'S ALREADY A TENT THERE.

SHE JUST WANTS TO REPLACE THE TENT WITH A STRUCTURE.

SHE HAS SOME FUNDING IN PLACE FROM FROM THE GOVERNMENT.

I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE A WIN WIN WIN ALL AROUND.

AND I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO MAKE ANY IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY IMPACT ON THAT WHOLE AREA.

SO I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT SEEMS THAT WHY CAN'T OUR DEFAULT ANSWER BE RIGHT NOW, W E CAN'T DO IT THIS WAY, BUT LET'S FIND A WAY TO DO IT.

AND AND I THINK THAT A LOT OF DEVELOPERS IN TOWN WOULD FEEL THE SAME WAY.

THIS IS NOT A I'M NOT TRYING TO TALK DOWN TO LANDS AND PLANNING.

I'M NOT DOING THAT AT ALL.

BUT I MEAN, WE'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF RESIDENTS AS WELL.

I MEAN, WE'RE PUBLIC SERVANTS AND WE'RE WORKING FOR THEM.

AND I JUST WANT TO SEE A WAY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AND KEEP ANOTHER BUSINESS IN TOWN OPERATIONAL, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO SHUT DOWN.

SO I'M IN SUPPORT OF ISSUING THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.

I JUST WOULD LOVE TO SEE A WAY MOVING FORWARD THAT IT'S DONE IN AN ACCEPTABLE WAY.

SO, MISS WHITE, JUST TO THE QUESTION FROM COUNCILLOR PAYNE ABOUT DID ADMIN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO TRY AND FIND A SOLUTION OR, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE THE APPLICATION ITSELF, JUST SPEAKING TO THAT PIECE OF IT IF YOU'D LIKE TO RESPOND.

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JUST SPEAKING TO THE FIRST PART.

NOT NOT TO THE PUBLIC SERVANT PART, WHICH COUNCILLOR PAYNE IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

THAT'S OUR POSITION. BUT FROM AN ADMIN PERSPECTIVE, YOUR YOUR REVIEW OF THE APPLICATION.

GREAT. SO YES PLANNING AND ENVIRONMENT STAFF, BOTH THE MANAGER AND THE PLANNER HAVE MET NUMEROUS TIMES WITH THE APPLICANT TRIED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT WAS THAT THE APPLICATION WAS FOR.

UNDERSTANDING IT CAME IN IN DIFFERENT ITERATIONS THROUGH THE COURSE OF TIME.

SO WE HAVE A NEW ZONING BYLAW UNDERSTANDING HOW THAT WORKS.

AND WE AS PROFESSIONAL PLANNERS HAVE TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS IN LINE WITH THE LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY AND THE REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE COMMUNITY PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT ACT.

SO WHILE I UNDERSTAND WHERE AND THE SENTIMENT COMING FROM COUNCILLOR PAYNE WE REALLY ARE REQUIRED TO ENSURE THAT ANY RECOMMENDATION WE MAKE TO COUNCIL, BECAUSE COUNCIL IS THE ULTIMATE DECISION MAKER THAT IT IS IN LINE AND CONFORMS TO THE COMMUNITY PLAN POLICIES. IT WOULD NOT REPRESENT A GOOD RECOMMENDATION FOR US TO RECOMMEND SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T MEET THE LEGISLATIVE CONFORMITY TEST.

SO WE REALLY ARE BOUND IN THAT IN THAT MANNER AS WELL.

SO THE POLICY IS THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THE REGULATIONS ARE THE ZONING BYLAW.

AND WHILE WE CAN ENCOURAGE AN APPLICANT AGAIN, WHETHER THAT'S WITH A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL OR ON THEIR OWN, TO UNDERSTAND AND WORK WITHIN THAT REALM, WE HAVE TO WORK WITHIN THAT REALM.

SO THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE BRING TO COUNCIL WHEN THEY MAKE THEIR DECISION, THEY HAVE TO ALIGN WITH WHAT IS IN THE LEGISLATION.

THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THE RESPONSE, MISS WHITE.

AND TO MY THREE COLLEAGUES ONLINE, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YEP. COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.

GO AHEAD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND THANKS TO THE STAFF FOR ALL THEIR WORK AND COLLEAGUES FOR THEIR QUESTIONS.

I THINK I VERY MUCH SORT OF IN LINE WITH COUNCILLOR PAYNE.

AND MY, MY QUESTION TO ADMIN WOULD BE SORT OF ALONG THAT SAME LINE, AND PERHAPS YOU'VE ALREADY SORT OF ANSWERED IT THERE.

JUST THE I REWATCHED THE DISCUSSION FROM NOVEMBER 2021, JUST AN HOUR AGO, AND THE LANGUAGE AT THAT TIME WAS VERY DIFFERENT THAN WE'RE SEEING HERE.

THERE WERE IDEAS OF OF APPROACHING THE FOR THE COMMISSIONER'S LAND ALONG THE WATERFRONT.

IT SEEMED LIKE STAFF AND THE CITY WAS VERY OPEN TO A COMMERCIAL REZONING.

AND AND NOW THE LANGUAGE IS QUITE DIFFERENT.

SO I MEANT TO ASK THIS BOTH TO ADMIN AND TO THE APPLICANT.

IT'S A SHAME THE APPLICANT ISN'T HERE TO ANSWER, BUT TO ADMIN, WHAT STEPS HAVE YOU TAKEN SINCE NOVEMBER 2021 TO ATTEMPT TO REACH A COMPROMISE W ITH THIS, WITH THIS APPLICANT? THANKS FOR THAT.

SO SHE'LL GET THE CHANCE TO SPEAK AFTER THIS SO.

BUT TO THE QUESTION, MISS WHITE.

THANK YOU. SO, AGAIN WHILE WE HAVE HAD MEETINGS AND I KNOW ADMINISTRATION HAS TRIED TO WORK WITHIN THE REALM THAT WE'RE ABLE TO WITHIN THAT LEGISLATIVE ABILITY REGARDLESS THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE LANGUAGE WAS DIFFERENT, THE REPORT WHICH WAS PROVIDED IN TODAY'S AGENDA WAS ALSO A RECOMMENDATION FROM ADMINISTRATION TO DENY THE APPLICATION.

SO THERE'S BEEN NO CHANGE WITH REGARD TO LAND THAT IS NOT THE CITY'S LAND THAT IS CURRENTLY OUTSIDE OF OUR ABILITY TO COMMENT ON RIGHT NOW.

SO WE WERE JUST WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT RELATED TO HER LAND AND THE CITY LAND.

MOVING FORWARD, WE DID NOT DEAL WITH ANY OTHER LANDS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN REFERRED TO IN THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION.

THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THAT.

COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN ANY FURTHER? ANYTHING FURTHER? OKAY.

THANKS FOR THE ANSWER. THEN ONE MORE QUESTION.

IF THE SITE SPECIFIC ZONING OF COMMERCIAL RECREATION WAS APPLIED TO THIS PROPERTY AND THE PROPERTY WAS LATER SOLD TO ANOTHER PARTY WHAT SORT OF RESTRICTIONS, IF ANY, ON THE SCALE OF THE OF A BUSINESS THAT COULD OPERATE THERE, WOULD THERE BE JUST SORT OF MAYBE AN EXAMPLE OF A A SCALE OR WHAT SORT OF BUSINESS COULD OPERATE IF THIS WAS SOLD TO ANOTHER PARTY DOWN THE ROAD? MISS WHITE. SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE ALWAYS CONSIDER WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT A REZONING, ESPECIALLY WHEN A CHANGE OF USE IS TO SOMETHING THAT IS MORE INTENSE, BECAUSE A COMMERCIAL USE IS A MORE INTENSE USE THAN A RESIDENTIAL USE.

AND THE PROPERTY, REGARDLESS OF IF IT'S SOLD TOMORROW OR WELL, IF THE ZONING WAS APPROVED AND IT WAS SOLD THE NEXT DAY VERSUS TEN YEARS FROM NOW, THAT COMMERCIAL ALLOWANCE AS AND SO WE'D HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE LANGUAGE IS VERY CLEAR WHEN IT IS REZONED, WHAT THAT COMMERCIAL USE IS, BECAUSE THE SCALE WOULD BE EQUAL TO WHAT IS

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AND GOING FORWARD ANY SUBSEQUENT USE OR SALE OF THAT PROPERTY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE THAT COMMERCIAL USE.

SO IT RUNS WITH THE PROPERTY.

IT'S NOT WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING A REZONING FOR THE SPECIFIC PROPERTY OWNER NOW OR THE SPECIFIC BUSINESS.

SO A COMMERCIAL USE WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO CONTINUE INTO THE FUTURE.

THANK YOU. THANKS, MISS WHITE.

COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. I'LL I'LL HAVE A COMMENT.

I'LL WAIT FOR THE REST OF QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES.

THANKS VERY MUCH. COUNCILLOR MCGURK OR MAYOR ALTY? THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR FEQUET.

THANKS, MR. CHAIR.

YEAH. AND APOLOGIES JUST FOR YOUR PATIENCE IN ADVANCE.

STEVE'S HERE, SO NATURALLY, I HAVE 50 QUESTIONS.

BUT I DID THEM IN ORDER OF THE PDF AS I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT THEM.

SO THEY'LL KIND OF GOING DOWN THE DOCUMENT HERE.

JUST WANTED TO JUST.

AND THIS IS MOSTLY FOR MY CURIOSITY NOT NOT BEING MY AREA OF EXPERTISE, BUT ONE OF THE COMMENTS IN THE REPORT WAS IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE SHORELINE.

I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THE IF THE STAFF TEAM CAN ELABORATE ON THAT, MISS WHITE.

GREAT. THANK YOU.

I WILL ASK ANDREW AS THE PLANNER ON THE FILE TO MAYBE SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT.

THANK YOU. GO AHEAD ANDREW.

SURE. SO I'M JUST GOING TO READ OUT THE ACTUAL POLICY LINE FROM THE COMMUNITY PLAN.

ONE SECOND HERE.

RIGHT. SO TO THE OBJECTIVE, ONE OF THE DEVELOPMENT OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES IS TO LIMIT DEVELOPMENT OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THAT ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE WETLAND, SHORELINE AND EXPOSED ROCK SETTINGS.

SO AND POLICY ONE A IS THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT WILL NOT ADVERSELY IMPACT NATURAL GEOGRAPHIC FEATURES AND THE ENVIRONMENT.

SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS THAT THAT THAT CITY OWNED LAND IS NOT LIKE SOME SUBSTANDARD LAND.

IT'S NOT JUST A PIECE OF LAND THAT'S SITTING AROUND.

IT WAS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATED AS NATURAL AREA TO BE PRESERVED.

IT'S IT'S IN THE IT'S IN THE THE PURPOSE UNDER THE ZONING BYLAW AND IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN.

SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DEVELOPMENT OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL LANDS TO AN AREA THAT'S ADJACENT TO YELLOWKNIFE BAY THAT WAS JUST ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD TO CONSIDER, THAT IT WAS MEANT TO BE PRESERVED.

IT WAS SET ASIDE SPECIFICALLY TO BE PRESERVED AND NOT DEVELOPED.

SO THIS IS AN APPLICATION TO DEVELOP.

SO THAT'S WHY IT WAS CONSIDERED.

COUNCILLOR FEQUET. THANKS.

THANKS FOR THAT. AND JUST CONFIRMING.

I ASSUME THE PLANNING TEAM WENT DOWN AND TOOK A LOOK AT THE SITE THROUGH THESE VARIOUS CONVERSATIONS THAT TOOK PLACE OVER TIME.

YES WE DID.

IS THERE ANY BLASTING PROPOSED FOR ANY OF THE ON THE NEW LAND THAT'S BEING PROPOSED TO BE ACQUIRED OR APPLIED FOR OR OR ANY OF THE AREA? UNDER THE CURRENT APPLICATION, NO, NOTHING WAS PROPOSED THAT SAID THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE BLASTING.

OKAY. GOOD. NO, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T THINK SO.

I JUST WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK.

I WASN'T MISSING SOMETHING.

YEAH. I GUESS MY FIRST OBSERVATION.

I WENT DOWN THERE AND LOOKED LAST NIGHT JUST AT THE AREA, BECAUSE I WAS CURIOUS TO SEE IT, NOT JUST FROM A TOPO MAP.

AND WHAT STRUCK ME WAS THAT THERE'S KIND OF THIS LITTLE NOOK, THIS SKINNY LITTLE AREA RIGHT BESIDE THE CURRENT DWELLING BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND, LIKE, A ROCK A GRANITIC OUTCROP THAT'S LIKE 70FT HIGH, LIKE A BIG HILL.

SO IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THAT AREA PROBABLY COULD BE USED FOR MUCH.

AND THE AREA IN QUESTION WHEN I LOOKED AT IT LAST NIGHT, WAS ACTUALLY SURPRISINGLY SLIM AND SKINNY RIGHT UP AGAINST THE HOUSE.

AND I NOTICED THAT THE TENT FRAME, I THINK, HAD ALREADY BEEN REMOVED AS WELL.

SO I JUST WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THE THE INTERPRETATION OF NOT KIND OF MATCHING WITH THE SHORELINE BECAUSE I NOTED IT'S ON IT'S NOT ON THE WATER SIDE OF THE ROAD.

IT'S ON THE, THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, NOT NOT NEXT TO THE SHORELINE.

MY NEXT QUESTION.

DOO DOO DOO. SORRY, JUST GOING DOWN MY LIST HERE.

SOME SOME HAVE ALREADY BEEN ASKED BY MY COLLEAGUE.

SO I'M TRYING NOT TO WASTE WASTE OUR TIME.

I HEARD MY FELLOW COLLEAGUE ASK ABOUT IF THERE'S BEEN ANY OTHER APPLICATIONS FOR THAT, THAT PARCEL OF LAND OR EXPANDING, AND I UNDERSTOOD THE ANSWER TO BE NO.

SO THAT'S GOOD.

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SO THEY DIDN'T COMMENT TO ME ABOUT THE EXISTING SITE THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, SPECIFICALLY A REVIEW FOR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

OKAY. THANKS. AND JUST CONFIRMING THE ONE OBJECTIVE ABOUT CENTRALIZING COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS ALONG FRANKLIN AND THOSE OTHER ROADS THAT CAME IN IN THE 2020 COMMUNITY PLAN.

CORRECT. AND IT WASN'T AROUND BEFORE THAT.

MR. TREGER, I DON'T HAVE A COPY OF THE PREVIOUS THE OLD PLAN.

IT IT IS PART OF THIS PLAN.

YEAH. IT'S OBJECTIVE TEN AND TEN A OR OBJECTIVE TEN, POLICY TEN A.

COUNCILLOR FEQUET.

THANKS. APPENDIX D OF THE PLANNING REPORT WAS SUPER HELPFUL.

THANKS FOR PUTTING THAT TOGETHER.

SORRY, I THINK IT'S ON PAGE 46 OF THE THE PDF OF THE MEETING MATERIALS IN CASE ANYBODY'S TRYING TO GET THERE.

WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, I.

CAN YOU JUST HELP ME CONFIRM MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE OT THE OLD TOWN MIXED USE ZONES, SO THE ONLY THING THAT WOULDN'T BE MET BY THE THE ZONING REGULATIONS WOULD BE THE MINIMUM SIDE YARD SETBACK ON THE ACCESSORY BUILDING IS JUST A THIRD OF A METER OR A FOOT SHY. IS THAT THE ONLY THING THAT WOULDN'T BE IN COMPLIANCE? MR. TREGER? SO THIS SUMMARY IS JUST FOR THE BUILT FORM OF THE OF THE BUILDING.

THERE'S SO LARGELY BASED ON THE ZONING BYLAW, ON THE BUILT FORM, THE THE BUILDINGS IN CONFORMANCE.

THERE'S A FEW THINGS. IF YOU LOOK EARLIER IN THE PLANNING REPORT UNDER THE ZONING SECTION.

THE LANDSCAPING DIDN'T FIT IN WITH EITHER THE R-1 OR OT ZONES, IF WE'RE COMPARING.

AND THERE I BELIEVE THOSE WERE THE AND ACCESS AS WELL.

SO THERE'S SOMETHING THERE'S ACCESS UNDER UNDER THE ZONING BYLAW.

MISS WHITE. AND THE OTHER THING TO CONSIDER IS THAT THE USE AS PROPOSED IS NOT PERMITTED IN THE R1, WHICH IS FACILITATING THE REQUIREMENT FOR THIS APPLICATION. THANK YOU.

THANKS FOR THAT CLARIFICATION, COUNCILLOR FEQUET.

YEAH, JUST I HAD A QUESTION.

CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT? THE ACCESS CONCERN THAT THE DEPARTMENT HAD, MR. TREGER? SURE.

ONE SECOND HERE. I BELIEVE IN THE ZONING BYLAW, IT'S JUST REQUIRED THAT FIRE AND EMERGENCY ACCESS BE ACCEPTABLE.

SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

SO IN REVIEW IN IT'S THE SAME AS IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN.

IT'S JUST FALLING UNDER A DIFFERENT CATEGORY OF HOW WE DO OUR REVIEWS.

SO AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE FIRE DIVISION'S CONCERNS AND BECAUSE IT'S A SUBSTANDARD ROAD NOT A CITY STANDARD, WE CAN'T GUARANTEE SAFETY IF WE'RE GOING TO BUILD IN LIKE IF THERE'S A NEW PROPOSED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

UNDERSTANDABLE. YEAH. SO I HEARD SOMETHING HELPFUL IN YOUR RESPONSE THERE THAT I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IS THAT OBVIOUSLY THE CITY HAS TO PROVIDE EMERGENCY SERVICES REGARDLESS TO THE EXISTING OWNER RESIDENT.

AND SO IT'S REALLY THE CITY CAN'T GUARANTEE, YOU KNOW, PROVISION OF THE INCREASED LIKELIHOOD BECAUSE THE INCREASED INTENSITY OF USE OF A COMMERCIAL USE POTENTIALLY ON THAT PROPERTY, WE MAY NOW BE ABLE TO PROVIDE AS TIMELY OR POTENTIALLY ANY SERVICES.

AND SO YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT TO BE A RISK THAT THE OWNER CERTAINLY WOULD, WOULD HAVE TO BE AWARE OF.

ANYTHING ELSE COUNCILLOR FEQUET? YEP. GOT A GOT A LOT.

STEVE'S HERE, SO I GOT TO MAKE IT WORTH HIS WHILE.

I GUESS I, I UNDERSTAND THE THE I REALLY APPRECIATE AND UNDERSTAND.

IT WAS VERY CLEAR IN THE PLANNING REPORT.

THE THE GOOD PLANNING MESSAGE CAME ACROSS LOUD AND CLEAR.

AND I APPRECIATE HOW THE COUNCIL BEFORE THIS ONE, SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THAT PROCESS AND UNDERSTAND VERY CLEARLY THE OBJECTIVE REGARDING CONCENTRATING COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS ALONG ALONG THOSE WAYS.

BUT SIMILAR TO COUNCILLOR PAYNE'S POINT, JUST OBVIOUSLY THIS BUSINESS WAS BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME.

EVEN THE HOME BASED BUSINESS LICENSE WAS GRANTED IN 2002, I BELIEVE, OR AT LEAST RENEWED AT THAT TIME.

SO I GUESS I JUST WANTED TO ASK FOR ADMINISTRATION IF THEY HAD ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON EXISTING BUSINESSES PRIOR TO THE COMMUNITY PLAN THAT ARE LOOKING TO EXPAND? I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A REZONING AND A CHANGE OF USE THAT'S BEING ASKED FOR AS WELL, BUT IF THERE'S ANY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS OR THOUGHTS YOU HAD ABOUT THAT CIRCUMSTANCE WHEN WHEN

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MISS WHITE, THANK YOU.

SO WE ALWAYS HOPE THAT WHEN PEOPLE START OUT IN THEIR HOME BASED BUSINESS, THAT EVENTUALLY ONE DAY THEY WILL GROW AND OUTGROW THE SPACE THEY ARE IN.

WE LOOK THROUGH OUR WHETHER IT'S OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POLICIES, PLANS, AS WELL AS THE WAY IN WHICH WE DO LOOK AT THESE PLANNING POLICY DOCUMENTS WHEN THEY COME UP FOR REVIEW, IS TO TRY TO ENCOURAGE THAT WHEN PEOPLE GROW, OUTGROW THEIR CURRENT SPACE, THAT THEY HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO GO ELSEWHERE THAT ARE MORE APPROPRIATE AND CONCENTRATE IN CERTAIN AREAS.

SO WE DO ENCOURAGE WHEN APPLICATIONS COME FORWARD THAT PEOPLE LOOK AT THESE THINGS, BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT, WHICH IS THOSE RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND WHAT ARE THEY ABLE TO PROVIDE AND PERFORM WHEN IT COMES TO NEW USES IN AND AROUND THOSE AREAS? SO IT'S REALLY THAT BALANCING ACT BETWEEN THE TWO, AND UNDERSTANDING THAT POLICY DIRECTION IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN IS REALLY THE GUIDANCE THAT WE FOLLOW WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE NEW COMMERCIAL USES SHOULD BE ESTABLISHED, AND COMMERCIAL USES SHOULD BE IN AREAS THAT CAN BE SERVICED, THAT ARE ACCESSIBLE TO PEOPLE THAT ARE NEAR OTHER BUSINESSES.

AND THERE'S A WHOLE LIST OF CRITERIA IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND THE POLICY THAT ARE RELATED TO WHAT WE CONSIDER AND LOOK FOR WHEN WE HAVE AN APPLICATION COME IN. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THAT.

COUNCILLOR FEQUET. I THINK JUST A COUPLE MORE.

YEAH, I GUESS I MEAN, I REALLY APPRECIATE ALSO DIRECTOR WHITE'S COMMENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PLANNING'S JOB IS TO, LIKE, LOOK AT THE CURRENT ZONE AND THE CURRENT COMMUNITY PLAN AND TAKE A CRACK AT FIGURING OUT IF THIS ALIGNS.

AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT, THAT PERSPECTIVE.

WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THESE OBJECTIVES, I'M ON PAGE 13 OF THE PDF WHERE THEY WERE ALL KIND OF LIKE THE RELEVANT ONES WERE PULLED OUT FROM THE COMMUNITY PLAN.

AND I, I'M NOT INTENDING TO GO THROUGH THEM ALL, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT.

I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S ALSO A DIFFERENT INTERPRETATION OF ALL OF THESE THAT ARE LISTED HERE.

FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN I LOOK AT OBJECTIVE SEVEN ABOUT IMPROVING SUSTAINABLE TRANSPORTATION AND ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC CONGESTION, WELL, PADDLING IS A PRETTY GOOD WAY TO DO THAT.

AND I CAN'T THINK OF A DIFFERENT TYPE OF COMMERCIAL USE THAT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE ON A SHORELINE THAN A PADDLING AND KAYAKING SCHOOL AND STORAGE AND REPAIR LOCATION.

AND I NOTE THAT IT MIGHT BE BETTER, OR WE MIGHT HOPE THAT IT MOVES TO SOME CENTRAL LOCATIONS, BUT THEN IT'S GETTING INTO BOAT TRAFFIC AND OTHER TYPES OF THINGS.

SO I RECOGNIZE THAT IN THIS SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCE, THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WANTS TO CONSIDER AS A VERY APPROPRIATE USE OF THIS LAND, BECAUSE NOTHING ELSE.

I CAN'T SEE HOW ANYTHING ELSE WOULD BE DOWN THERE AFTER I DROVE DOWN THERE LAST NIGHT.

AND WHEN I LOOK AT THAT GREEN SPACE, I WENT UP THE KINGFISHER WAY AND I LOOKED AT THAT HOME THAT'S THERE IN A MOBILE HOME WITH ABANDONED VEHICLES AND PROPANE AND BOATS ALL OVER THE PLACE. AND I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT WAS IN THERE.

AND, YOU KNOW IT WAS A STARK CONTRAST TO THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION WHERE EVERYTHING WAS, LIKE, NEATLY STORED.

AND I ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT THE TEN FRAME HAS BEEN MOVED BECAUSE IT WAS NOT ON THE OWNER'S LOT.

AND THE BUILDING IS, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY GOING TO BE ON THE OWNER'S LOT.

SO I JUST THINK SOME OF THESE OBJECTIVES ARE REALLY GOOD POLICY GUIDANCE.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE COULD INTERPRET THEM, YOU KNOW IN A DIFFERENT WAY.

I GUESS I JUST WANTED TO MAYBE THE LAST COMMENT I'LL MAKE AT THIS POINT, END OF ROUND ONE IS THAT WITH REGARD TO THE PARKING, I AGAIN APPRECIATE THAT INFORMATION.

I SKIED ON THERE EVERY DAY IN THE WINTER, AND I KNOW THAT FROM LOIS LANE OVER TO HAMILTON ON ANDERSON BOULEVARD.

THERE IS A PROBLEM BECAUSE IT'S A VERY SKINNY ROAD, AND THERE'S, THERE'S PEOPLE PARKED ALONG THE SIDE THAT GET OUT AND SKI AND WALK AND PADDLE FROM THERE AND PARK THEIR CARS TO, TO GO TO THEIR MOORINGS AT THEIR BOATS.

BUT THERE IS NO PARKING FROM LOIS LANE DOWN TO THE RESIDENCE PROPERTY BECAUSE YOU CAN'T BECAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY A SINGLE LANE.

SO PARKING IN MY MIND IS NOT AN ISSUE.

AND WHAT I SAY DOESN'T NECESSARILY MATTER.

BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE, THE, THE 17 RESIDENTS WHO BOTHERED TO RESPOND, WHICH I REALLY APPRECIATE I WOULD ALWAYS DEFER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN QUESTION.

AND I NOTE THAT 4 OUT OF 17 FOLKS WERE OPPOSED AND 13 OF 17 WERE IN SUPPORT, AND THEY KNOW THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BETTER THAN US.

AND SO A LOT OF THESE KIND OF THINGS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT OPEN TO INTERPRETATION OR THE THE FEEL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALL THAT STUFF, I WOULD REALLY DEFER TO THE RESIDENTS.

AND MORE THAN 75% HAVE VOICED THEIR SUPPORT PUBLICLY ON SEVERAL, SEVERAL OCCASIONS IN THAT IN THAT ENGAGEMENT TABLE WE HAD OF THE 17 RESIDENTS.

SO MAYBE I'LL JUST END THERE FOR ROUND ONE.

PERFECT. ROUND TWO.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FROM ANYONE? LOOKING DOWN THE LINE. COUNCIL.

OKAY, SO WE'LL HOLD OFF.

IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FROM ANY OF THE COUNSELORS ONLINE? AND THE MAYOR? NO. OKAY, SO WITH THAT THEN WE WILL GO TO THE APPLICANT.

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JUST I KNOW WAIT ONE SECOND.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO UNMUTE YOUR PHONE.

SO I'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN THAT'S DONE.

OH, APPARENTLY YOU NEED TO UNMUTE IT BY HITTING STAR SIX.

THE MOMENT OF TRUTH. IT WORKED.

WE CAN HEAR YOU. OKAY, AM I AM I HEARD WONDERFUL.

PERFECT. OKAY.

SO I'LL I'LL I'LL I'LL JUST GIVE YOU AN INTRODUCTION FIRST, AND THEN I'LL PASS IT OVER TO YOU AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE UP TO TEN MINUTES, AND THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH.

COUNCIL. MEMBERS TO SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

IF THAT SOUNDS ALL RIGHT.

YES. THANK YOU.

PERFECT. SO WE'LL JUST START FOR ANY PRESENTATIONS TO COUNCIL.

JUST THE RULES.

THE RULES OF THE ROAD.

SO JUST WHEN MAKING A PRESENTATION AT COUNCIL OR COMMITTEE, NO PERSON SHALL ONE SPEAK DISRESPECTFULLY OF THE CROWN, ANY MEMBER OF COUNCIL, THE PUBLIC OR AN EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY. TWO USE OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE.

THREE MAKE PERSONAL REMARKS ABOUT ANY MEMBER OF COUNCIL, THE PUBLIC, OR AN EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY.

FOUR REFLECT UPON THE MOTIVES OF MEMBERS WHO MAY HAVE VOTED FOR A PARTICULAR MOTION.

FIVE REFLECT UPON THE MOTIVES OF ADVICE GIVEN TO COUNCIL BY ADMINISTRATION, AND SIX REFUSE TO COMPLY WITH THE DECISION OF THE PRESIDING OFFICER REGARDING ANY INTERPRETATION OF THIS BYLAW. SO WITH THAT, CATHY, I WILL PASS IT OVER TO YOU.

GO AHEAD. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO CHECK IN WITH YOU FOLKS CALLING FROM CINNAMON ISLAND.

I HAVE A GROUP OF 20 SAINT PAT'S STUDENTS OUT HERE IN THE BIG CANOES TODAY.

A ONE OF MY PILOTS HAD A FAMILY EMERGENCY HAD TO EVAC WITH HIS FATHER.

SO I'M SORRY I'M NOT ABLE TO BE WITH YOU TODAY.

ALSO, IF A BEAR WANDERS INTO CAMP, I'M GOING TO SIGN OFF, AND I MAY HAVE TO HOP IN THE CANOES HERE IN ABOUT 15 MINUTES TO GET THESE THESE WONDERFUL YOUNG PEOPLE BACK TO THE BRIDGE IN TIME FOR THEIR BUS.

SO JUST I'M JUST GOING TO CUT TO THE CHASE AS I AS I BELIEVE THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE COUNCILLORS HAVE PRETTY MUCH ALL READ MY MY EIGHT PAGE MISSIVE.

THANKS FOR INDULGING ME.

I DID WANT TO POINT OUT JUST A FEW THINGS THAT WERE NOT ACCURATELY REFLECTED BY ADMINISTRATION'S PRESENTATION.

THE FIRST BEING THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, ACTUALLY, IF YOU LOOK TO APPENDIX E OF OF THE ADMINISTRATION'S REPORT, DID SAY LET ME FIND IT HERE.

SO APPENDIX E I HAVE I'M READING QUOTE ROAD ACCESS IS NOT AN ISSUE AND THERE WAS SOME REPORT GOES ON TO SAY, QUOTE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS NO CONCERNS WITH THE APPLICATION FOR THE LAND AND THE USE OF THE LAND.

SO THAT GOES CONTRARY TO WHAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS PRESENTING TO YOU TODAY.

I DID WANT TO ALSO SPEAK TO THE NOTION THAT THE HOME BASED BUSINESSES ARE JUST THE BEGINNING OF AN EMPIRE BUILD.

IT'S DEFINITELY NOT THE CASE HERE.

IT'S DEFINITELY NOT THE CASE FOR A LOT OF HOME HOME OCCUPATIONS.

I NEVER INTENDED FOR MY LITTLE OPERATION TO OUTGROW ITSELF AS PART OF A NATURAL PROGRESSION.

IT'S BEEN A WAY THAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO STAY HOME, RAISE MY KIDS AS A SINGLE PARENT NOW MY GRANDCHILDREN, AND JUST STAY HOME.

SO I REALLY TAKE ISSUE WITH THE SORT OF COLONIAL APPROACH TO SMALL BASED BUSINESS BEING LESS THAN ADEQUATE, AND THAT THEY ALL SHOULD ASPIRE TO THESE GRAND CORPORATIONS.

NOT THE CASE.

I THINK SMALL HOME BASED BUSINESSES SHOULD BE CELEBRATED IN THEIR OWN RIGHT, WITH NO PRESSURE TO PROCEED TO ANYTHING BEYOND THAT.

AND LASTLY, I JUST WANTED TO PUT FORWARD THAT PERHAPS HAVING COUNCIL PUT A LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF CLIENTS ACCESSED OR PRESENT AT MY MY BUSINESS AT ANY ONE TIME MAY END UP SORT OF ALLAYING ANY CONCERNS OF RAISED BY ANYONE OR AT ANY POINT IN THE PRESENTATION, BY ADMINISTRATION OR BY NEIGHBORS. I'D BE CERTAINLY WILLING TO ENTERTAIN THAT.

ACTUALLY, JUST ONE MORE QUICK THING WHEN IT COMES TO FIRE SAFETY, IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WHICH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AS I SAY, HAS NOT SAID, THERE IS AN

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IT'S NOT JUST THE PROPOSAL AND I DO DEFINITELY DO NOT SEE A NEW BUILDING THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE SPRINKLERED CAUSING MORE HAZARDS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAN A WALL TENT WITH THE WOOD STOVE.

SO I'LL JUST SIGN OFF AT THAT POINT.

I'LL STAY AS LONG AS I CAN.

I HEAR THE KIDS ARE WANDERING BACK FROM THEIR HIKE, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

THANK YOU. THANKS VERY MUCH, CATHY.

WE'LL WE'LL ASK OR GO AROUND THE TABLE TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.

BUT AGAIN, IF YOU NEED TO LEAVE, JUST LET ME KNOW BY SPEAKING UP.

THANKS SO MUCH.

YES. QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES.

COUNCILLOR FEQUET.

THANKS, MR. CHAIR.

YEAH. JUST CURIOUS, CATHY, IF THROUGH ANY OF YOUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE WITH ADMINISTRATION, IF THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT LIMITATION OF THE NUMBER OF CLIENTELE, VISITORS TO THAT PROPERTY, IF IT WERE TO BECOME A COMMERCIAL USE HAS TAKEN PLACE, AND WHAT WOULD BE THE THE TOOLS FOR THAT TO, TO TAKE PLACE AND ALLEVIATE THOSE TYPES OF CONCERNS.

GO AHEAD, CATHY, THAT CONVERSATION, THAT CONVERSATION DID NOT COME UP WITH ADMINISTRATION, BUT I DID NOTICE IT IN THE THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUMMARY REPORT. COUNCILLOR FEQUET.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEP. DEPUTY MAYOR. COCHRANE.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

CATHY, IF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS NOT APPROVED, HOW WILL THIS AFFECT YOUR BUSINESS? CATHY. GO AHEAD. AS AS MISS WHITE MENTIONED ALREADY, THEY WILL BE COMING AT ME FOR NONCOMPLIANCE.

THE MAIN AREA OF NONCOMPLIANCE IS THAT I HIRE A COUPLE OF WONDERFUL YOUNG PEOPLE, LOCAL RESIDENTS, EVERY SUMMER AS THEIR, THEIR SOME, SOME SOMETIMES THEIR FIRST SUMMER JOB.

SO WITHOUT HELPERS THE BUSINESS WILL CLOSE.

I WILL LIKELY HAVE TO RESORT JUST TO KEEP FROM MOVING TO AVON'S TO OPEN THE BED AND BREAKFAST.

AND I PROMISE YOU THAT THE BED AND BREAKFAST GENERATED FAR MORE TRAFFIC THAN ANY OTHER ASPECT OF MY OPERATION EVER DID.

THANK YOU CATHY. ANY QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES ONLINE COUNCILLOR MCGURK, MCLENNAN OR MAYOR ALTY? COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN. GO AHEAD.

THANKS VERY MUCH.

AND THANKS VERY MUCH, CATHY, FOR BEING HERE.

JUST QUICKLY, SORT OF SINCE NOVEMBER 2021 WHAT STEPS HAVE YOU TAKEN TO TRY AND FIND A COMPROMISE WITH CITY STAFF ON ON THEIR CONCERNS REGARDING THE LAND USE? THAT'S A THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE WHAT ALL I'VE BEEN RECEIVING FROM ADMINISTRATION IS LISTS OF QUESTIONS, WHICH I ANSWER, FOLLOWED BY A MONTH OR TWO WAIT, FOLLOWED BY A NEW LIST OF QUESTIONS FOLLOWED BY MORE ANSWERS.

THERE HAS BEEN VERY LITTLE, IF ANY, ACTUAL DIALOG TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS.

AND ESSENTIALLY I'M BEING TOLD WE'RE NOT HERE TO HELP YOU WE'RE HERE TO INTERPRET WHAT YOU PROVIDE TO US.

SO I REALLY I'M NOT FEELING THE VIBE IF YOU'RE THINKING THERE'S BEEN SOME KIND OF COLLABORATION WITH WITH PLANNING.

COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN ANYTHING ELSE? NO, ANY OTHER COUNCILLORS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? GO AHEAD, COUNCILLOR FEQUET.

THANKS, MR. CHAIR. CATHY, JUST NOTING IN THE PLANNING REPORT, AND I THINK MR. TREGER MENTIONED IT AGAIN TODAY, JUST ONE OF THE HOPEFULLY KIND OF SEEMINGLY MINOR AREAS WHERE THE ALIGNMENT WASN'T REACHED WAS REGARDING LANDSCAPING.

DO YOU HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS MADE, OR HAS POINTED OUT WOULD NEED TO TAKE PLACE IN ORDER TO KIND OF ALIGN WITH THE VISION FOR THE AREA? CATHY.

GO AHEAD. OH MY GOODNESS NO.

THESE ARE THE TYPES OF DETAILS THAT ARE EASILY CAPTURED IN WHAT I CONSIDER WOULD BE THE NEXT PHASE OF OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THAT BEING A DETAILED PLAN.

IF THEY WANT ME TO PUT MORE PLANTERS, IF THEY WANT ME TO PUT GRASS DOWN, ABSOLUTELY, I'LL GO FOR IT.

PERFECT. WELL.

YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION CATHY.

IS WE A FEW QUESTIONS HAVE GONE TO ADMIN AROUND THE TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT CAN YOU JUST ELABORATE A BIT? AND IN YOUR LETTER, YOU HAD NOTED THAT YOU BELIEVE THE TRAFFIC STUDY TO BE DISCRETIONARY, BUT ADMIN TALKS ABOUT IT BEING SORT OF A MORE OF A MANDATORY PART OF THE APPLICATION.

CAN YOU JUST TALK TO ME WHY YOU UNDERSTOOD IT TO BE DISCRETIONARY? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS IN IN THE I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH DOCUMENT.

AND AND IN A CONVERSATION WITH ANDREW AS WELL, I WAS TOLD THAT IT WAS DISCRETIONARY.

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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS TO CATHY BEFORE WE LET HER GO? NO. OKAY, CATHY, WE CAN WE CAN BID YOU ADIEU.

THANKS SO MUCH. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO JOIN US NEXT MONDAY IN THE EVENING.

YOU ARE WELCOME TO DO THAT AGAIN AS WELL.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

PERFECT TIMING, HERE COME THE LITTLE DUCKLINGS NOW WE'RE GOING TO LOAD THEM IN THE BOAT AND HEAD FOR TOWN.

ALL THE BEST TO YOU. THANKS SO MUCH.

THANK YOU. YES, YES.

TAKE CARE. BYE FOR NOW.

OKAY. WITH THAT, WE'LL DO A FINAL ROUND OF IF THERE'S ANY OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS FOR ADMIN AND ANY COMMENTS THAT ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE TO OUR NEXT ITEM.

BUT IF THERE'S ANY FINAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS MAYOR ALTY THAT HAND IS UP.

GO AHEAD. THANKS.

I JUST WANTED TO JUST HAVE A FEW COMMENTS.

JUST ON SOME POINTS THAT WERE RAISED.

I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE REMEMBER COUNCIL APPROVES THE COMMUNITY PLAN BYLAW AND THE ZONING BYLAW.

AND SO THAT IS OUR OUR OPPORTUNITY TO SET THE DIRECTION THROUGH THOSE BYLAW.

AND IT IS A ADMIN'S JOB TO TO FOLLOW THEM, YOU KNOW, AND IF IF ADMIN WASN'T FOLLOWING THEM THEN WE WOULD HAVE AN ISSUE.

IF WE DON'T LIKE THE DIRECTION THAT WE SENT SET FOUR YEARS AGO SO BE IT.

WE'VE GOT THE POWER TO TO CHANGE IT.

BUT IF A DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, YOU KNOW, A DEVELOPMENT PERMIT COULD BE SUCCESSFULLY APPEALED, IF ADMIN IS ISSUING DEVELOPMENT PERMITS THAT AREN'T ALIGNED WITH OUR COMMUNITY PLAN OR WITH THE ZONING BYLAW.

SO, AGAIN, JUST JUST REMEMBERING THAT AND PART OF THE REASON THAT IT WAS THIS WAS SENT BACK TO ADMIN BACK IN 2021 WAS BECAUSE AT THE TIME WE WERE DOING THIS FULL ZONING BYLAW OVERHAUL.

AND SO IT WAS THE FIRST MONDAY OF NOVEMBER AND THE THIRD SATURDAY OF NOVEMBER.

WE WERE DOING THE FULL ZONING BYLAW OVERHAUL.

SO IN LIEU OF DOING A CHANGE TO THE OLD ZONING BYLAW THAT WAS ABOUT TO BE, YOU KNOW, WIPED OUT AND STARTED AGAIN.

WE SAID, SEND THIS BACK TO ADMIN AND, AND THE PROPONENTS ENCOURAGED THEM TO GO TO PARTICIPATE IN THE ZONING BYLAW OVERHAUL.

UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANYTHING DURING THAT, THAT STATUTORY PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS WHY IT'S COMING FORWARD FOR US NOW TO CONSIDER.

I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE, IF WE DON'T SUPPORT THE USE ON THIS LOT, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE DON'T SUPPORT THE USE IN THE CITY OR OR WE DON'T LIKE THE BUSINESS.

WE HAVE LAND ZONED FOR THIS USE IN OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY.

SO IT IS A QUESTION OF WHETHER THIS USE IS THE BEST ON THIS LOT, AND I WOULD SAY ACCOMPANYING LOTS ALONG THE SHORE.

AND SO I DON'T LOOK AT WHETHER I LIKE A CURRENT BUSINESS OR AN OWNER, IT IS REALLY ABOUT THE USE OF THE LOT AND, AND THE IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A MENTION THAT THIS COULD BE A GREAT SPOT BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT ON, ON THE WATER.

I DO ENCOURAGE US TO CONSIDER OPENING, THAT MAY OPEN UP THE DOOR FOR MANY PROPERTY OWNERS ON THAT LOT WHEN THEY'RE SELLING.

THE NEW OWNERS WOULD ALSO WANT THAT OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE THAT LOT INTO A COMMERCIAL TOURISM BUSINESS.

THE KINGFISHER WAY PROPERTY HAS BEEN FOR SALE FOR MANY YEARS.

IF PEOPLE KNEW THEY COULD BUY IT, TRANSFORM IT INTO A COMMERCIAL TOURISM OPERATION, IT'S A HUGE LOT.

I THINK WE WOULD LIKELY HAVE THE NEW OWNER COMING AND REQUESTING THAT.

SO JUST TO BE AWARE, WE COULD BE CHIPPING THE RESIDENTIAL FROM THE STREET, PARCEL BY PARCEL.

AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S A PRO OR A CON IF WE THINK THE BETTER USE FOR THIS THESE LOTS ON THIS STREET IS ACTUALLY COMMERCIAL TOURISM OVER RESIDENTIAL, LET'S MAKE THAT CONSCIOUS DECISION.

BUT THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I HAVE TO TO GRAPPLE WITH WHEN MAKING THIS DECISION.

I AM IN SUPPORT OF SENDING THIS FORWARD TO COUNCIL FOR A DISCUSSION.

I STILL HAVE MANY THINGS TO TO CONSIDER BEFORE WE WE VOTE ON IT NEXT MONDAY.

BUT JUST A FEW THINGS THAT I'M, I'M CONSIDERING BEFORE MAKING THE DECISION.

BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR AND THANKS TO ADMINISTRATION AND THE PROPONENT FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH MAYOR ALTY.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM MY COLLEAGUES? NO COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.

THANK YOU. I WROTE IT DOWN SO I DON'T RAMBLE.

OUR COMMUNITY CHANGES IN RATES OVER TIME, THE APPLICATION IS THE EXACT REASON WHY WE HAVE THIS DISCRETION AS COUNCIL TO INJECT REALITY, BOTH ECONOMIC AND QUALITY OF LIFE, INTO OUR POLICIES AND PROCESSES NEED TO ALLOW OUR COMMUNITY RESIDENTS TO INCREMENTALLY, OVER TIME, BUILD OUR COMMUNITY.

AND THIS IS WHAT THIS IS.

THAT'S THE ONLY WAY A COMMUNITY REALLY GROWS.

I DO THINK THIS PROPOSAL MEETS THE COMMUNITY PLAN, AND IN MANY WAYS, I SEE MANY REASONS TO SAY YES.

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THE IDEA THAT ANY RESIDENT IN SMALL BUSINESS CAN SIMPLY RELOCATE, ESPECIALLY ONE THAT REQUIRES WATERFRONT ACCENT, IS SIMPLY NOT REALISTIC.

THERE'S NO WAY THAT EVER HAPPENS IN THE REAL WORLD.

WE NEED TO USE WHAT WE HAVE AND ADJUST AS WE GO.

I SUPPORT THIS COMING TO COUNCIL ON MONDAY.

THANKS. THANK YOU COUNCILLOR WARBURTON ANYONE ELSE? NO. SO IT'S GOING TO BE COMING TO COUNCIL REGARDLESS, NO MATTER WHAT, BECAUSE IT'S A DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION.

SO IT'S JUST HIS THOUGHTS AT THE MOMENT.

ANYBODY ELSE? NO. COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. CHAIR THANKS TO STAFF FOR THEIR THOROUGH PUBLIC CONSULTATION ON THIS.

I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD REALLY APPRECIATED THAT.

AND YOU COULD TELL. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT WORK.

YEAH. SO A FEW THOUGHTS.

SO IN REVIEWING THE MEMO AND THE PLANNING REPORT, I TAKE STAFF'S CONCERNS REGARDING OBJECTIVE TEN FOR OLD TOWN, MEANING THE ZONING OF COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL IN AN AREA NOT DESIGNATED FOR SUCH. I TAKE THOSE CONCERNS SERIOUSLY.

I GET THAT THIS DOESN'T STRICTLY COMPLY WITH POLICY TEN A, BUT IT ALSO DOESN'T STRICTLY NOT COMPLY.

THE POLICY SAYS THAT COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS SHALL OCCUR ON THOSE STREETS, NOT THAT THEY SHALL NOT OCCUR ANYWHERE ELSE.

THE CONCERN REGARDING OBJECTIVE ONE AND 17 IS ALSO NOTICED AND NOTED AND HEARD.

IT SEEMS LIKE SORT OF THE BRIDGE OVER 17 AND POLICY 3.1 HAVE SORT OF ALREADY BEEN CROSSED.

THIS IS A CHALLENGE WHERE IT'S AN ILLEGAL USE.

AND SHOULD THE CITY CONDONE THAT OR WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS OF THAT THE PROTECTION OF THE, OF THE NATURE PRESERVE IS ALREADY SORT OF THAT, THAT WE'VE ALREADY GONE OVER THAT BRIDGE.

THE CONCERNS REGARDING OBJECTIVE 16 AND THE EMERGENCY ACCESS FEEL SORT OF OVERBLOWN TO ME, BASED ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S SPECIFIC COMMENTS LATER ON IN THE REPORT.

THAT'S FOR THIS USE IN PARTICULAR, NOT NECESSARILY FOR A FUTURE COMMERCIAL RECREATIONAL USE DOWN THE ROAD AND A LITTLE BIT WARY THERE.

I'M NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT OBJECTIVES SIX, SEVEN OR THIRTEEN AS THIS IS SORT OF OLD TOWN AND THERE ARE ORGANIC, NATURAL CHANGES.

AND TO SORT OF COMMENT OFF OF COUNCILLOR WARBURTON'S POINT ON OTHER OBJECTIVES IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN REGARDING TO OLD TOWN.

I FEEL THAT THIS DOES SPEAK HIGHLY TO OBJECTIVE FIVE, TO ENCOURAGE NEW RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS THAT SERVICE THE NEEDS OF VISITORS AND LOCAL RESIDENTS.

OBJECTIVE 14 TO ENCOURAGE A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL OPTIONS INCLUDING LARGER HOMES, DUPLEXES, ROW HOUSES, TINY HOMES, MIXED RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL SPACES.

OBJECTIVE 15 TO ENCOURAGE THE MIX OF USES THAT ENHANCE THE ORGANIC NATURE AND BUILT FORM OF DEVELOPMENT IN OLD TOWN.

SO FOR ME, THESE COMMUNITY PLAN OBJECTIVES BALANCE THE CONCERNS RAISED BY STAFF, PARTICULARLY GIVEN THE CONTEXT OF OLD TOWN.

FOLLOWING THE REVIEW AS A WHOLE SO I FIND MYSELF ON THE FENCE POTENTIALLY SLIGHTLY IN FAVOR, ALTHOUGH QUITE CLOSELY.

THE DECIDING FACTOR HERE COULD BE THAT REJECTING MEANS THAT THE SHUTTING OF THIS LONG TIME BUSINESS.

I FEEL THAT SORT OF THE SHUTTING OF THIS BUSINESS IS CLEARLY NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.

SO WHAT ARE THE PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS OF OUR LAND USE PLANNING DECISIONS? SO SO HOW DO WE SO HOW DO WE APPLY LAND USE PLANNING PRINCIPLES IN OLD TOWN GIVEN THE PRACTICAL EFFECTS GIVEN THE HISTORY OF THE BUSINESS AND THE ORGANIC NATURE OF OLD TOWN, THE SHUTTING OF THIS BUSINESS.

YEAH. JUST CLEARLY ISN'T IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY FOR ME.

YEAH. WE SEEM TO BE IN BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE HERE.

AND WITHOUT FULSOME CONTEXT.

I DON'T MEAN TO POINT FINGERS AT EITHER PARTY.

I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT IT'S QUITE DISAPPOINTING TO ME THAT THERE'S THERE'S NO SORT OF PROGRESS ON A COMPROMISE HERE.

WHEN ONE SORT OF FELT QUITE CLOSE IN REVIEWING THE DISCUSSION FROM 2021.

YEAH. SO SORT OF MY OVERALL THOUGHTS.

YEAH. I THINK I'LL NEED SOME MORE TIME TO THINK AND CONSULT ON IT, BUT PERHAPS VERY SLIGHTLY IN FAVOR AT THE MOMENT.

BUT YEAH, WE'LL NEED SOME MORE TIME TO THINK FOR SURE.

THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.

COUNCILLOR FEQUET DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENT? YEAH, JUST I JUST WANTED TO CHECK IN ON PROCESS JUST SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.

SO UNDERSTANDING THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM ADMIN THE IF THIS GOES AHEAD OR I UNDERSTAND IT HAS TO GO AHEAD TO COUNCIL NEXT MONDAY AT THAT TIME, IS IT ABOUT APPROVING OR NOT ADMINS RECOMMENDATION OR IS IT ACTUALLY APPROVAL OR NOT OF THE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT? MY UNDERSTANDING AND MISS WHITE, I WANT YOU TO CLARIFY AFTER, BUT IS THAT WE'RE JUST MAKING A DECISION ON THE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION ITSELF AND ADMINS RECOMMENDATION AS PART

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SURE. AND I WOULD ALSO ASK THE CLERK FOR ADVICE AS WELL, BECAUSE OUR RECOMMENDATION WILL NOT CHANGE BETWEEN NOW AND MONDAY.

SO THERE'S OUR RECOMMENDATION AS OUTLINED IN THE MEMO.

AND THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE RECOMMENDATION.

AND SO MAYBE I'D ASK THE CLERK TO SPEAK TO HOW THAT WORKS.

THANK YOU. CITY CLERK.

GO AHEAD. IT'S A DECISION OF COUNCIL.

SO EITHER WAY, HOWEVER, YOU WANT TO DEAL WITH THE APPLICATION.

BUT THE RECOMMENDATION IS BEFORE YOU.

BUT THE DECISION IS FOR COUNCIL TO MAKE.

PERFECT. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARITY.

ANYTHING ELSE? COUNCILLOR FEQUET SO WE'LL BE MAKING A DECISION ON THE APPLICATION WITH ADMINS RECOMMENDATION FOR CONSIDERATION.

ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY.

SO JUST A FEW FINAL THOUGHTS FOR MYSELF IS I JUST WANTED TO REALLY START BY THANKING YOU ADMIN FOR YOUR WORK AND PROFESSIONAL RECOMMENDATION.

I KNOW THAT YOU ARE HEMMED IN ON FROM THAT PROFESSIONAL PERSPECTIVE, IN TERMS OF HOW YOU CAN WORK THROUGH A PROCESS LIKE THIS.

SO AS A FELLOW PUBLIC SERVANT IN MY OTHER LIFE, I COMPLETELY, VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THAT.

SO MY THOUGHTS AFTER READING ADMIN'S MEMO LATE LAST WEEK IS TO AGREE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION AT THIS TIME.

I SAY THIS KNOWING THE BUSINESS IN QUESTION WELL, AND MANY YEARS AGO, HAVING BEEN A VERY REGULAR CUSTOMER OF THE BUSINESS READING THE APPLICANT'S LETTER AND HEARING HER PRESENTATION TODAY, I'M DEFINITELY CONCERNED ABOUT THE LENGTH OF THE PROCESS THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, GOT TO GET HERE TODAY.

BUT THAT'S SORT OF IRRELEVANT FROM THE ACTUAL DECISION WE HAVE TO MAKE.

SO WHILE I EMPATHIZE WITH THE BUSINESS AND THE IMPACTS THAT IT'S HAD, ULTIMATELY, LIKE MAYOR ALTY, I'M THINKING ABOUT, DOES THIS MAKE SENSE IN THE LONG TERM TO REZONE THIS ONE PROPERTY AND SELL ANOTHER PROPERTY TO REZONE IT? I REALLY APPRECIATE THE GRAVITY OF THIS DECISION FOR CATHY AND HER BUSINESS.

BUT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, AS COUNCILLOR OR DEPUTY MAYOR COCHRANE SORT OF NOTED EARLIER, I THINK IT WAS HIM OR MAYBE COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN SPEAKING ABOUT THE IDEA OF THERE'S OTHER PROPERTIES IN TOWN, IN OLD TOWN THAT NOT A PLANNING RESPONSIBILITY, BUT WHETHER THE CITY OR COUNCIL FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, BOTH CATHY'S BUSINESS BUT ALSO TOURISM GENERALLY IN OUR CITY, WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE A HIT ON IN TERMS OF THOSE WASTED PROPERTIES THAT ARE JUST WAREHOUSES AND THAT SIT EMPTY FOR 99% OF THE TIME.

SO AGAIN, I COME BACK TO WHAT'S THIS? WHAT ARE WHAT DO WE WANT THIS LONG TERM USE OF THIS PROPERTY TO BE? SO ULTIMATELY, WE ALL STILL HAVE A WEEK TO MAKE A DECISION AND TO CONSIDER THIS AND TO CONSIDER ASK ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR ADMIN OR I'M SURE CATHY WOULD ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS TOO. BUT WITH THAT, THIS WILL COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR OUR NEXT MEETING ON MONDAY, JUNE 10TH FOR DECISION.

SO WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE TO OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS A MEMORANDUM REGARDING WHETHER TO ADOPT THE 2024 MUNICIPAL TAX

[5. A memorandum regarding whether to adopt the 2024 Municipal Tax Levy and 2024 School Tax Levy by‐laws.]

MISS WHITE, IF YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

EACH YEAR, THE CORPORATE SERVICES TEAM BRINGS FORWARD A MEMO THAT RECOMMENDS TO COUNCIL TO SET A MUNICIPAL TAX LEVY AND THE SCHOOL TAX LEVY.

THE MILL RATES PRESENTED WILL RESULT IN SUFFICIENT TAX REVENUES TO FUND THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE APPROVED 2024 BUDGET.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANKS VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES? NOTHING. I'LL JUST SAY THAT I LOOK FORWARD TO EVENTUALLY ON A MILL RATE POLICY, GETTING MY HAND ON THAT HIGH DENSITY PARKING AGAIN.

BUT I WILL DO NOTHING FOR NOW WITH THIS ITEM.

COUNCILLOR FEQUET, YOU CAN ASK YOUR QUESTION.

GO AHEAD. THANKS, MR. CHAIR. YEAH, JUST.

I'M PRETTY SURE I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO CHECK BACK TO THE WORK PLAN, BUT IS THAT MILL RATE POLICY STILL ANTICIPATED TO BE PART OF BUDGET 2025 CONVERSATION? MISS WHITE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. PANDOO. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

YES, IT IS ON.

EXCUSE ME. YES, IT IS ON THE 2024 WORK PLAN AND WE ARE ACTIVELY WORKING ON IT.

SO IT WILL BE HOPEFULLY PART OF THE 2025 BUDGET CONVERSATION.

THANK YOU. THANKS.

MR. PANDOO EXCITEMENT FOR ALL OF US.

WITH NO OTHER QUESTIONS THIS WILL MOVE FORWARD FOR COUNCIL FOR NEXT MONDAY AS WELL, JUNE 10TH.

AND WITH THAT, OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS AN IN-CAMERA ITEM.

[IN CAMERA]

SO JUST FOR OUR BUSINESS, ARISING FROM OUR IN-CAMERA SESSION IS AN APPOINTMENT TO THE COMMUNITY ADVISORY BOARD ON HOMELESSNESS, MISS COLLEEN WELBORN.

[7. Business arising from In Camera Session.]

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WITH THAT, WE COME TO THE END OF OUR MEETING.

CAN I GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN? COUNCILLOR FEQUET, SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR PAYNE.

ALL IN FAVOR? THANKS, EVERYBODY. HAVE A LOVELY AFTERNOON.

BYE.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.