Feb 06, 2024 Special Governance & Priorities Committee

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AND I WILL CALL OUR GOVERNANCE AND PRIORITIES COMMITTEE MEETING FOR TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 6TH, 2024 BACK TO ORDER.

[1. Opening Statement]

[4. 2024 Budget Deliberations.]

WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE TO, AS MISS BASSI-KELLETT WILL NOTE, BUT, THE OTHER TWO PARKING LOT ITEMS FROM THE CAPITAL, WE WILL CONTINUE TO STAY THERE BECAUSE, THE DIRECTOR IS STILL NOT AVAILABLE TONIGHT.

AND THEN FOLLOWING THE FIRE HALL PRESENTATION, WE'LL GET BACK TO THE O&M, WHICH IS, I BELIEVE, COMMUNITY SERVICES.

BUT MISS BASSI-KELLETT, OVER TO YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.

ABSOLUTELY, YES. WE WERE HOPING TO HAVE OUR DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT HERE TONIGHT, BUT SADLY, HER FAMILY, ISSUE STILL REMAINS.

SO, I WILL ASK MR. PANDYA. HE AND HIS TEAM HAVE, OF COURSE, BEEN DOCUMENTING AND TRACKING ALL OF THE DECISIONS AND MOTIONS THAT COUNCIL HAS MADE REGARDING CAPITAL AND REGARDING O&M LAST NIGHT. SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MR. PANDYA TO GIVE A BIT OF A STATUS UPDATE, AND THEN WE WILL, I'LL TURN THINGS OVER TO MR. MCLEAN, WHO WILL GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE FIRE HALL.

OVER TO YOU, MR. PANDYA.

THANK YOU, MRS. BASSI-KELLETT, AND, GOOD EVENING, COMMITTEE.

AFTER ADDING THE ARCTIC PRIZE OF $10,000 AND THEN REMOVING THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY RENEWAL OF 75,000, THE PROPOSED TAX AT THE MOMENT HAS DROPPED FROM 7.22% TO 7.038%, SO NOT A BIG DROP.

ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE CAPITAL FUND BALANCES WILL JUST NEED A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO KIND OF, CONFIRM THOSE BALANCES, BECAUSE IT WOULD APPEAR THAT THERE'S NO CHANGE.

JUST BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE, CARRY FORWARD BALANCES, ALL THESE BALANCES THAT WERE RELEASED BACK ARE TIED TO FUNDING.

SO GRANT FUNDING.

SO WE'D LIKE TO KIND OF GO BACK INTO IT JUST TO CONFIRM SOME THINGS BEFORE WE KIND OF CONFIRM THE ACTUAL BALANCE.

THANK YOU. IF I CAN JUST ADD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WHAT WE HAVE FOUND IS THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF FUNDS THAT SUPPORT CAPITAL THAT ARE FETTERED.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, ICIP FUNDING OTHER FEDERAL GRANTS THAT WE GET IF WE ARE NOT SPENDING THAT MONEY ON THOSE PROJECTS THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THOSE SPECIFIC FUNDS, THEN WE HAVE TO GIVE THAT MONEY BACK.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S JUST MONEY THAT CAN SIT IN CAPITAL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

AND THEN IT'LL BE THE PRESENTATION ON THE FIREHALL MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YES. I WILL ASK MR. MCLEAN IF HE'D LIKE TO COME UP AND HE CAN SPEAK TO, THE PROJECT THAT WE'RE, CURRENTLY WORKING ON AND WHICH COUNCIL IS AWARE OF FROM A PRESENTATION THAT WAS MADE IN ON JANUARY 22ND, 2024 ON LONG TERM CAPITAL, THAT A DILEMMA THAT WE ARE FACING IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW IS THAT A NUMBER OF OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ARE ESSENTIAL FOR OUR CORE AND ESSENTIAL SERVICES, INCLUDING THE FIRE HALL, INCLUDING LIFT STATION ONE, INCLUDING OUR WATER SUBMARINE LINE, THESE ARE COMING IN HIGHER THAN WHAT WE HAD ANTICIPATED IN OUR EARLIER CLASS D ESTIMATES, AND SO WE HAVE SOME INFORMATION TO BE ABLE TO SHARE SPECIFICALLY TONIGHT ON THE FIRE HALL.

OVER TO YOU, MR. MCLEAN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU ALL AGAIN ABOUT THE, ABOUT THE FIRE HALL.

SO, I THOUGHT IT WOULD JUST BE BEST IF WE KIND OF WENT BACK.

WE TOOK A LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, SOME OF THE OPTIONS THAT WERE PRESENTED AROUND THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL AT THE TIME, THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE PROJECT, AND THEN, MAYBE AN ALTERNATIVE, APPROACH TO IT, JUST FROM A COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE AND, CAPITAL BUDGET.

SO THE ORIGINAL FIRE HALL WAS BUILT IN, AS EVERYONE KNOWS, 1989.

WE HAD 16 FIREFIGHTERS IN THAT FACILITY, OR 16 STAFF MEMBER, EXCUSE ME, IN THAT FACILITY AT THE TIME.

WE'RE NOW AT 47, IN THAT SAME SPACE.

WE NO LONGER MEET THE SPACE REQUIREMENTS FOR OUR STAFF.

AND WITH THAT COMES SOME SAFETY REQUIREMENTS FOR, THE WAY WE OPERATIONALLY CONDUCT OUR BUSINESS THAT SUPPORTS OUR STAFF.

SO. WE DID AN ANALYSIS IN 2019.

WE HAD A, WENT OUT FOR AN RFP FOR A CONSULTANT.

DYLAN WAS AWARDED THE CONTRACT AT THAT TIME.

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THE JUST THE SUSTAINABILITY OF THE LOCATION FOR, OPERATIONAL EFFECTIVENESS, THAT BEING THE BEST RESPONSE TIME IS THAT LOCATION WHERE IT'S CURRENTLY CENTERED, CENTRALLY CENTERED IN THE CITY.

IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME, MANY NEW STANDARDS, HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED, STANDARDS EITHER THROUGH WORKER SAFETY AND COMPENSATION COMMISSION OR THE NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION, NFPA, WHICH IS A BEST PRACTICE ORGANIZATION IN NORTH AMERICA FOR ALL THINGS, EMERGENCY SERVICES.

SO. YOU CAN SEE HERE THERE WAS A NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT THAT CAME UP, THROUGH THAT REVIEW. I'M NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND READ EACH ONE TO YOU, BUT, DEFINITELY CAPACITY FOR STAFF, CAPACITY FOR TRAINING, CAPACITY OF THE BUILDING'S MECHANICAL SYSTEMS AND THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THOSE TO SUPPORT THE OPERATION.

ACCESSIBILITY ISSUES.

WE'VE HAVE MORE STAFF.

AS I SAID, WE HAVE LARGER APPARATUS.

FIRE TRUCKS, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T FAMILIARIZE WITH APPARATUS, SORRY, LAYMAN'S TERMS. SO WE HAVE BIGGER TRUCKS, AND WIDER, LONGER.

AND THE CAPACITY OF OUR LENGTH AND SIZE OF OUR BAYS JUST DOESN'T ACCOMMODATE, OUR CURRENT STRUCTURE WE HAVE THERE.

SO, ONCE THE STUDY WAS DONE AND WE LOOKED AT EVERYTHING.

THE CONSULTANT CAME BACK WITH A FEW KEY RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO SOME OF THE KEY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY HAD WERE RENOVATE AND EXPAND.

SO THAT IS TO RETROFIT THE CURRENT BUILDING AND PUT AN ADDITION ON IT TO ACCOMMODATE MORE SPACE SPECIFICALLY FOR DECONTAMINATION, SOME LARGER, CAPACITY FOR MORE EQUIPMENT, FOR THE LARGER EQUIPMENT, AND ADDITIONALLY, ON TOP OF THAT, TO PROVIDE SOME, SECURE WARM SPACES TO DO TRAINING ON SITE.

THE SECOND OPTION WAS TO RECONSTRUCT.

SO DEMO THAT BUILDING AND BUILD A BRAND NEW ON THE SITE.

WELL, IF WE'RE GOING TO DEMO OUR FIRE HALL, HOW ARE WE GOING TO PROVIDE FIRE SERVICES IN THE MEANTIME? SO THAT ONE KIND OF SPEAKS TO ITSELF.

WE STILL NEED TO MAINTAIN A SERVICE THROUGH ANY TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION OR RETROFIT WE'RE DOING.

AND THE THIRD REASONABLE OPTION WAS ADD A SECOND LOCATION AT AN ALTERNATE SITE IN THE CITY.

THE BASIS OF THAT WAS TO ENHANCE OUR RESPONSE POLYGONS OR OUR RESPONSE TIMES ACROSS THE DEMOGRAPHIC OR THE AREA TOTAL AREA OF THE CITY THAT WE RESPOND TO.

THAT DOESN'T ALLEVIATE THAT THE EXISTING STATION STILL NEEDED TO BE REWORKED.

SO, THERE WAS STILL A REQUIREMENT TO REWORK THE EXISTING FIRE HALL, RETROFIT IT TO MAKE SURE IT WAS MEETING CURRENT STANDARDS.

THERE WAS ALSO AN ADDITIONAL OPTION, WHICH I DIDN'T ADD UP HERE BECAUSE THAT OPTION, NO LONGER WAS BEING ACCEPTABLE.

BUT, THAT WAS TO ENGAGE WITH THE AIRPORT FIRE DEPARTMENT.

THEY HAVE A COMBINED SERVICES BUILDING ON SITE ON DEHCHO BOULEVARD, AND THERE WAS SOME, TALK AND DISCUSSION AT THAT POINT IN TIME ABOUT A SHARED SPACE WITH THEM.

BUT THAT OPTION WASN'T VIABLE FROM THE OWNER OF THE FACILITY, SO.

SO WHAT'S OUR CURRENT STATUS? SO AS WE HEARD EARLY ON IN OUR CAPITAL DISCUSSION LAST NIGHT, WE HAVE A PROJECTED RETROFIT IN PROGRESS AND EXPANSION THAT'S GOING TO ADD 25 TO 30 YEARS TO THE LIFESPAN OF THE BUILDING.

WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY CONTEMPLATED IN 2019, IT WAS $3.3 MILLION, AS YOU KNOW.

TO THIS POINT, WE'RE UP TO 12.5 MILLION POTENTIALLY APPROVED.

AND WE HAVE A CLASS D ESTIMATE FROM LAST YEAR, AT BUDGET TIME FOR 17 MILLION.

SO CLASS D ESTIMATE IS 60% OF THE POSSIBLE OVERALL PRICE.

WE WERE VERY INTERESTED IN SEEKING THAT OUT FROM THE CONSULTANT LAST YEAR TO INFORM, ON POTENTIAL CAPITAL BUDGETING FOR BUDGET 2023. WE STILL BELIEVE THAT LOCATION IS THE BEST FOR THE CITY, AND THE RETROFIT IS THE BEST OPTION FOR THE CITY.

SO EXPENDITURES TO DATE.

SO WE ARE IN A CONTRACT WITH DYLAN.

WE ARE IN THE DESIGN AND SPECIFICATION PHASE WITH THEM THAT IS NEARING COMPLETION FOR THE RENOVATION EXPANSION.

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THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE BUILDING IS WE HAVE MANY, MECHANICAL SYSTEMS THAT ARE STARTING TO FAIL DUE TO THEIR AGE.

WE JUST RECENTLY DID A MAJOR RETROFIT OF OUR HOT WATER SYSTEM.

THERE IS STILL OLDER COMPONENTS FROM THE 1980S, THE 1990S IN THAT SYSTEM.

SO, YOU KNOW, HAVING A FACILITY THAT PROVIDES EMERGENCY SERVICES, STAFF WITH 47 PEOPLE THAT CAN PROVIDE HOT WATER IS NOT THE BEST FOR US. WE HAVE TWO BOILERS.

WE'RE DOWN TO ONE. ONE IS FAILED.

THE ONE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY RELYING ON.

WE'RE KIND OF BAND AIDING THAT ONE THROUGH BECAUSE THAT ONE ACTUALLY LEAKS.

ONCE AGAIN, THESE BOILERS ARE 1980S TECHNOLOGY.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO BAND-AID AND LIMP THAT THROUGH.

AND THE THIRD ONE IS OUR EMERGENCY GENERATOR.

SO AS AN EMERGENCY SERVICE, WE RELY ON OUR BUILDING HAVING EMERGENCY POWER, ESPECIALLY IN CONSIDERATION THAT WE RUN A DISPATCH SERVICE OUT OF THAT BUILDING.

OUR PHONES POWER TO OUR PHONE SYSTEMS CAN NOT GO DOWN.

COMMUNICATION TO OUR RESPONDERS IN THE FIELD CANNOT FAIL OUR EMERGENCY GENERATOR.

THE TRANSFER SWITCH IS GONE.

THE PARTS DON'T EXIST ANYMORE TO FIX IT TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE TO CALL ELECTRICIANS TO BE ON STANDBY WHENEVER THERE'S A POWER DISRUPT TO MAKE SURE THE POWER TRANSFERS TO THE BUILDING. AND THEN WHEN THE UTILITY RETURNS, THAT THE POWER RETURNS.

SO, WE'RE, WE'RE MANAGING TO WORK THOSE COMPONENTS.

NOW, SOME OF THIS HAS BEEN CONTEMPLATED AS BEING REPAIRED IN THE PAST, BUT WE'VE, BECAUSE THIS PROJECT WAS MOVING FORWARD, THE, IDEA OF COUNCIL AT THE TIME, I BELIEVE, WAS NOT TO SPEND MONEY REPAIRING THESE IF WE'RE JUST GOING TO REPLACE THEM THROUGH THE RETROFIT, WHICH LEAVES US AT THE POINT WE'RE AT NOW.

SO WHAT'S OUR ALTERNATIVE? WE COULD BUILD NEW.

SO IF YOU, AS COUNCIL, WANTED TO RECONSIDER THE RENO EXPANSION AND INSTEAD BUILD NEW, WOULD THAT BE THE SAME SITE? WE'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT IF THE SPACE EXISTS FOR THE SAME SITE.

WE KNOW THE RESPONSE POLYGONS FOR OUR COMMUNITY ARE THE BEST FROM THAT LOCATION, AS DETERMINED BY OUR CONSULTANT.

COULD A SITE SIMILAR IN LOCATION TO THAT EXIST? WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY.

THE CITY DOESN'T OWN A LOT OF LAND, AS YOU KNOW, AND AROUND THE CITY AND HAVING STRATEGIC CENTRAL LOCATIONS IN OUR CITY TO PROVIDE EMERGENCY SERVICES, IS EVEN, LESS AVAILABLE.

SO IT'S A MASSIVE CHANGE IN DIRECTION.

COUNCIL DIRECTED ADMINISTRATION TO PROCEED WITH THE RENOVATION EXTENSION OPTION.

AND WE'RE OUT OF TIME TO RECONSIDER THAT MOTION AS PER THE COUNCIL PROCEDURE BYLAW.

SO IT'S NOT OPEN FOR, THROUGH THAT BYLAW AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

BUT IF COUNCIL WANTS TO CONSIDER AN ALTERNATIVE 2024 FOR BUDGET 2025, WE COULD TAKE THAT MOTION, THE KIND OF THE TIMELINE FOR THAT THEN IF IT'S APPROVED, THEN WE WOULD GO TO RPFP, WE WOULD COMMISSION A DESIGN, WE WOULD DO SITE PLANNING.

2026 WOULD BE AN ESTIMATE THEN A CLASS A FINAL.

SO WE HAVE A FINAL EXACT PRICE.

AND THEN 2027 WE COULD INCLUDE FOR BUDGET RECOGNIZING THAT'S POTENTIALLY THREE YEARS AWAY.

SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU.

I KNOW IT'S AN IMPORTANT TOPIC, AND, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE RESPECTFUL OF THE DOLLARS THAT ARE, CITIZENS ALLOCATE TO US AND THAT WE'RE, EFFICIENTLY AND EFFECTIVELY USING THAT FUNDS TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE.

SO, I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU.

AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR ATTENTION.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THE EXTRA INFO.

AS COUNCIL WAS ASKING A FEW EXTRA QUESTIONS.

SO I HOPE THAT PROVIDES A BIT OF CLARITY ON THE PROJECT.

AND, IF COUNCIL DID WANT TO PIVOT AND CHANGE, THESE WOULD BE THE NEXT STEPS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED.

SO ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THE FIRE HALL EXPANSION AND RENOVATION? COUNCILLOR HENDRICKSEN.

NO QUESTION, BUT I WILL TAKE THE TIME TO JUST SAY I'M FULLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT MOVING FORWARD.

AS IT IS A THIS IS AN ISSUE OF HEALTH AND SAFETY FOR OUR STAFF AT THE CITY.

IT'S AN ISSUE OF HEALTH AND SAFETY FOR OUR OUR RESIDENTS.

AS A RESULT OF THAT HEALTH AND SAFETY OF OUR OF OUR STAFF.

SO PERSONALLY, I'M FULLY IN SUPPORT OF MOVING FORWARD AND NOT DELAYING THIS ANY FURTHER.

BUT THAT'S FOR ME AND I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD.

THANKS. THANK YOU.

AND TO NOTE, WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO ALL SPEAK IN FAVOR OF IT.

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BUT IF YOU'RE, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

NO. APPRECIATE IT. WE JUST MOVE ON IF NEED BE.

YEAH. THEN COUNCILOR WARBURTON AND COCHRANE.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. YEAH, I FULLY APPRECIATE THAT WE NEED THIS FACILITY, TO FUNCTION, AND BE SAFE.

I NEVER QUESTIONED THE NEED FOR US TO RETROFIT OR HAVE A NEW HALL LIKE IT'S REQUIRED.

IT'S JUST THAT WHEN A BUDGET EXPLODES BY 700%, IT IS OUR JOB TO DETAIL QUESTIONS AND ASK WHY AND ASK THOSE ALTERNATIVES.

IT'S NOT BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT THE THING.

I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T ASK SO THAT ALL THESE QUESTIONS WE'VE HAD AROUND THE FIRE HALL, IN THE Q AND A BEFORE BUDGET AND NOW HAVE BEEN FOR THAT PURPOSE, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DILIGENT WITH THAT MONEY, BECAUSE THAT IS A MASSIVE CHANGE WHEN WE INITIALLY PROPOSED THAT PROJECT.

SO, YEAH.

THANKS. COUNCILLOR COCHRANE.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

I DO APPRECIATE WHAT COUNCILOR WARBURTON JUST, ARTICULATED HERE.

I WILL ALSO SUPPORT THIS GOING FORWARD.

I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CHEAPER OPTION IF WE DECIDE TO GO BACK AND TO DO ALL OF THIS RIGMAROLE AGAIN, THE ONLY THING I WILL SAY IS THAT IT WOULD BE, I WOULD APPRECIATE IF ADMINISTRATION ALSO TAKES THE TIME FOR, AS WE GO WITHIN THIS PROJECT TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY FEDERAL GRANTS AVAILABLE SO WE CAN LOWER THE COST OF THIS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU.

IT'S THE EXAMPLE I ACTUALLY USE EVERY TIME I TALK TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THEY GO OH, SO YEAH.

ANYTHING FURTHER, COUNCILOR PAYNE? THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

YEAH. I WAS ASKING A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS LAST NIGHT.

NOT BECAUSE I DIDN'T SUPPORT WHAT WE AND OUR FIRE, OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND STAFF AT THE FIRE HALL DO.

I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT THEY DO.

I'VE NEVER REALLY, OPPOSED ANY ASK THAT THEY HAD.

ACTUALLY, I OPPOSED ONE WHEN FREDDIE THE FIRE TRUCK WAS AN ASK YEARS AGO, AND I MADE FUN OF I THINK IT WAS, I CAN'T REMEMBER OUR DIRECTOR AT THE TIME, BUT, YEAH, I AXED FREDDIE TO FIRE TRUCK.

BUT I WILL SUPPORT THIS, AND, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO FIND SOME NEW, MAYBE SOME GRANTS, SOME GOVERNMENT MONEY SOMEWHERE. MAYBE IF THE G AND WT WOULD, YOU KNOW, SCOOT US A LITTLE OVER, WE'D BE ON, ON TOP OF THIS.

BUT RIGHT NOW, I SUPPORT THIS.

THANK YOU. FREDDIE'S NEVER FORGIVEN YOU EITHER FOR THAT.

YEAH, NO AND I APPRECIATE COUNCIL'S, DUE DILIGENCE AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC ALSO TO SEE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE, YEAH, WE GET QUESTIONS ALL THE TIME ABOUT WHY DON'T WE PIVOT AT THIS MOMENT'S NOTICE.

AND SO THESE WOULD BE THE STEPS OF OF PIVOTING.

SEEING NOTHING FURTHER, WE DO STILL HAVE THE THREE IN THE PARKING LOT FOR CAPITAL PLAN, BUT THEY'RE ALL PLANNING AND LANDS RELATED, SO WE WILL, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT FINISHING TONIGHT, WE WILL REVERT TO THEM AND THE CITY MANAGER WILL TAKE QUESTIONS.

BUT IF NOT, THEN WE'LL START THEM TOMORROW.

COUNCILLOR. HENDRICKSEN.

SORRY, THANKS MADAM MAYOR, CAN I JUST GOING BACK TO THE THE TAX PERCENTAGE PIECE.

THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS I'M JUST A BIT CONFUSED ABOUT.

SO LAST NIGHT IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET, WE CUT THINGS LIKE THE RANGE LAKE, TRAIL IMPROVEMENT, THE FRITZ STEEL FENCE.

ARE THOSE WERE GRANT FUNDS THAT NOW DON'T IMPACT THE TAX RATE.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SORT OF STUCK ON.

BECAUSE IN MY HEAD, THAT'S SIGNIFICANT FUNDS ABOUT A TAX POINT ALMOST.

AND I'M JUST I WANT TO JUST SIT ON THAT ONE AGAIN AND JUST SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME CLARIFICATION, WERE THOSE GRANT FUNDS? NO, LIKE MY VOTE WOULD HAVE PROBABLY BEEN VERY DIFFERENT.

LET ME REPHRASE, I PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE VOTED TO REMOVE THEM IF I KNEW THAT IT WAS GRANT FUNDING.

COUNCIL HASN'T ADJUSTED THE TAXES TO CAPITAL, SO UNTIL WE ADJUST TAXES TO CAPITAL, THERE'S NO IMPACT ON CUTTING CAPITAL.

SO THAT'S GENERALLY LIKE OUR LAST MOTION.

AND SO IF WE ONCE WE HAVE THE FINAL CLOSING BALANCE, WE CAN SEE WHETHER WE WANT TO REDUCE THE TAXES TO CAPITAL.

SO AT THAT STAGE, THAT'S WHEN YOU WOULD KNOW, IF THERE'S THE CAPITAL HAS BEEN IMPACTED.

SEEING NOTHING FURTHER ON THAT, WE WILL JUMP BACK TO O AND M, AND WE ARE AT PAGE 57, WHICH IS THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTORATE BUDGET.

THE ONE THING TO NOTE IS WE DID INCLUDE 100,000, ONE TIME ALLOCATION TO FUND A CONSULTANT TO REVIEW AND PROVIDE AN OPERATING MODEL RECOMMENDATION FOR THE STREET OUTREACH PROGRAM.

SINCE THEN, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS COME FORWARD WITH THE FUNDING, AND SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO, COMPLETE THAT WORK WITHOUT USING TAXES, SO I

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THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

YOUR WORSHIP. THANK YOU.

SO THE MOTION I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS TO THAT WE STRIKE 100,000 FROM THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTORATE BUDGET GENERAL SERVICES, AS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS FUNDING THE STREET OUTREACH REVIEW.

AND I'LL SPEAK TO IT IF IF THERE'S A SECONDER.

THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. DO I HAVE A SECONDER? COUNCILOR SMITH ARDEN-SMITH.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. YEAH.

SO I DID THINK IT WAS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THIS FUNDING PUT INTO THE BUDGET BACK IN NOVEMBER.

WE'VE KIND OF BEEN OPERATING STREET OUTREACH AS A PILOT PROJECT FOR THE PAST SEVEN YEARS.

AND SO, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF CONTINUING TO FUND THE STREET OUTREACH AT THE CURRENT LEVEL TO CONTINUE OPERATING.

BUT I ALSO WANT US TO TO TAKE A PAUSE IN THE BACKGROUND AND ACTUALLY REVIEW WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACHIEVE AND HOW BEST CAN WE ACHIEVE IT.

AND WORKING WITH THE TERRITORIAL AS WELL AS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO ACHIEVE? BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL HAVE SOME OBJECTIVES WITH THE STREET OUTREACH.

SO FOR ME, IT'S TO TAKE THAT PAUSE, HOWEVER, OR TO DO THE REVIEW, SINCE WE NEVER ACTUALLY DID IT, WE JUST LAUNCHED THE PILOT PROJECT.

AND SO SEVEN YEARS LATER, I THINK WE SHOULD ACTUALLY DO THE PAUSE, EVALUATE AND DETERMINE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE AND HOW WOULD WE DO THAT, BUT REALLY APPRECIATE THE FEDERAL SUPPORT, IN DOING THIS EVALUATION.

THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. ANY QUESTIONS TO THE MOTION? COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MORE JUST A STATEMENT.

EXCUSE ME. I'LL HAVE A MOTION AFTERWARDS, REGARDING INCREASING OR EXPANDING THE STREET OUTREACH PROGRAM, AND PART OF THE FUNDING OF THAT WOULD BE REMAINING OR KEEPING THIS $100,000, IN THE BUDGET TO PUT TOWARDS THAT EXPANSION.

SO I'LL BE VOTING AGAINST THE PROPOSED MOTION, ALTHOUGH THANKFUL TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR THE FUNDING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS TO THE MOTION? COUNCILLOR HENDRICKSEN. THANKS.

CAN I JUST GET A CLARIFICATION ON THE FUNDS FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT? AS WE THINK ABOUT THIS MOTION IN A LIKELY FUTURE ONE.

CAN THE FUNDS ACTUALLY BE USED FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE REVIEW, OR ARE THEY LOCKED IN FOR THE REVIEW? MS. BASSI-KELLETT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

WE HAD SOUGHT FUNDING FROM SIRNAK, AND WE WERE APPROVED WITH FUNDING TO UNDERTAKE A REVIEW OF A YELLOWKNIFE STREET OUTREACH.

SO OUR RFP IS CURRENTLY ISSUED AND WE'RE WELCOMING RESPONSES TO THAT.

WE'RE LOOKING FOR PROPOSALS TO COME IN AND THE FUNDING IS FETTERED FOR THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT ONLY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH.

NOT VOTING AGAINST THE REVIEW, JUST REMOVING OUR OWN MONEY FROM THE BUDGET.

I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP OUR OWN MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR AN EXPANSION TO THE PROGRAM AND LET THE REVIEW HAPPEN AS WELL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS TO THE MOTION? COUNCILLOR MCGURK.

I GUESS WOULD WOULD WE THEN HAVE TO VOTE AGAINST OR VOTE TO CUT THE FUNDING FOR, SPECIFICALLY THE ORIGINAL, GOD.

WOULD WE HAVE TO THEN CUT THE FUNDING VOTE TO CUT THE FUNDING THAT THE FEDS ARE NOW PICKING UP? OR COULD WE VOTE IF WE THERE WAS AN APPETITE ON COUNCIL? DO WE JUST VOTE DOWN THAT CUTTING OF THE 100,000 ALTOGETHER? BECAUSE THERE IS IT TWO MOTIONS OR ONE MOTION? THERE IS ONE MOTION ON THE TABLE AS OF NOW.

I THINK THAT IS A TECHNICAL QUESTION YOU ARE ASKING, SO I WILL REFER IT TO MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I'LL SEE IF I CAN GET SOME ADVICE FROM OUR, CITY CLERK.

NO. CAN YOU REPEAT THAT QUESTION, PLEASE? WITH THE $100,000 IS ALLOCATED SPECIFICALLY FOR THE REVIEW, BUT THE FEDS HAVE NOW PICKED UP THAT COST.

BUT ALSO, THERE'S A POTENTIAL APPETITE TO KEEP THE $100,000 IN THE FUND.

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DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? LIKE THE FEDS COVERED IT.

DO WE NOW HAVE TO SAY WE ARE STRIKING THE WE'RE PAYING FOR THAT REVIEW? OR IS IT WE JUST KEEP IT IN IF WE BY VOTING AGAINST THE MOTION.

SO PROCEDURALLY, WHAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN IS TO VOTE DOWN THE MOTION.

THE MAYOR'S MOTION RIGHT NOW AND THEN INTRODUCE A NEW MOTION, TO HAVE THE FUNDS ALLOCATED DIFFERENTLY THAN HOW IT'S SET OUT IN THE BUDGET ON PAGE 57.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ADMINISTRATION.

COUNCILLOR FEQUET. THANKS, MR. CHAIR. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THIS MOTION IS DECIDING TO NOT ALLOCATE OUR FUNDS FOR THE REVIEW.

SO WE CUT.

IT'S TO CUT. IT'S TO CUT $100,000 FROM THE BUDGET.

IF THERE'S A SUBSEQUENT MOTION REGARDING STREET OUTREACH THAT IS DESIROUS THAT MONEY MAY COME FROM ANYWHERE AND THAT.

RIGHT. SO THAT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.

SO I THINK YOU DON'T I'M JUST ASKING FOR CONFIRMATION THAT YOU DON'T NEED WE DON'T NEED TO VOTE THIS DOWN.

THIS IS ABOUT SPENDING OUR MONEY CUTTING FROM THE BUDGET FOR THE REVIEW.

WE CAN CHOOSE IN THE VERY NEXT MOTION TO ADD MONEY TO A STREET OUTREACH PROGRAM FROM ANY SOURCE WE WANT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE THE CLARITY.

I THINK YOU ARE CORRECT ON THAT.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, COUNCILOR PAYNE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE THE GOVERNMENT, THE FEDS THROWING SOME MONEY AT US.

SO THIS IS GOOD.

IT'S THE ONLY TIME YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR ME SAY I APPRECIATE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, BUT I WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION AT HAND.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS TO THE MOTION, COUNCILOR MCLENNAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO, YEAH, COUNCILOR FEQUET'S POINT MAKES SENSE.

I'LL VOTE TO CUT THIS MONEY FOR THE REVIEW AND THEN PROPOSE BRINGING IT BACK IN IN MY OWN MOTION SEPARATELY.

THANK YOU FOR THE CLARITY ON YOUR PERSPECTIVE THERE COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.

WITH THAT, I WILL ALSO SAY THAT I ALSO SUPPORT THIS MOTION FOR CUTTING THE 100,000 FOR THE BUDGET.

BUT FOR CLOSURE, WOULD THE MAYOR LIKE TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? ALL AGAINST? OH, OKAY.

UNANIMOUS. AND I WILL TAKE THE CHAIR BACK.

COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE A MOTION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO I WOULD MOVE THAT.

COUNCIL PROVIDES, FUNDING FOR AN EXPANSION TO THE STREET OUTREACH PROGRAM TO AN ADVANCED CARE PARAMEDIC MODEL.

THAT WOULD BE, 730,000 TOTAL IN 2024, 1.1 MILLION IN 2025 AND 915,000 IN 2026. THANK YOU.

DO YOU HAVE THAT, WRITTEN? CAN YOU COPY PASTE SEND IT TO COUNCIL SO WE CAN.

YEAH, YEAH, FOR SURE.

JUST SO WE CAN.

WE'RE NOT MADLY SCRABBLING NUMBERS DOWN HERE.

DO WE HAVE A SECONDER TO THE MOTION THOUGH? COUNCILLOR FEQUET. WE'LL TAKE A QUICK MOMENT TO PAUSE WHILE COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN CAN CIRCULATE THAT.

LET ME KNOW IF THAT WORKS.

YES. PERFECT.

COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO YOUR MOTION? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM MAYOR.

YEAH. SO FIRST I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY AND CLEARLY LAY OUT WHAT I'M PROPOSING.

SO THE MOTION AS PRESENTED WOULD BE TO EXPAND THE STREET OUTREACH PROGRAM TO INCREASE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, TO BE AN ADVANCED CARE PARAMEDIC MODEL.

THIS EXPANSION WOULD BEGIN IN JULY 2024 TO ALLOW TIME FOR AN RFP TO BE ISSUED AND A CONTRACTOR TO BE CHOSEN, AND OUR FINANCIAL COMMITMENT TO IT WOULD LAST UNTIL THE END OF OUR TERM IN OCTOBER 2026.

AT THAT POINT, THE FUNDING FROM THE CITY WOULD REVERT TO THE $360,000 PER YEAR PROVIDED CURRENTLY.

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TO FUND THIS WOULD BE A 7 OR $370,000 INCREASE IN 2024.

TO FUND THIS, I WOULD PROPOSE TO KEEP OR RETURN THE $100,000 ALLOCATED IN THE DRAFT BUDGET FOR THE REVIEW, AND THEN USE MY COMING PROPOSED INCREASE TO AMBULANCE FEES AND OR LOWER THE TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE CAPITAL FUND BY 270,000, GIVEN THE CUTS WE'VE MADE THUS FAR.

THIS MEANS THAT THIS EXPANSION WOULD NOT AFFECT THE TAX INCREASE THIS YEAR.

IN 2025 AND 2026, I WOULD PROPOSE TO FUND THIS EXPANSION BY EITHER REDUCING THE TRANSFER TO ANY EMERGING ISSUES OR EMERGENCY FUND WE CREATE, REDUCE THE GENERAL FUND TRANSFER TO CAPITAL IF WE ARE ABLE TO CUT PROJECTS OR RELEASE FUNDS AS WE WERE THIS YEAR, OR BY DRAWING DOWN THE GENERAL FUND, THIS MAY HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE TAX INCREASE IN 2025 AND 2026, ALTHOUGH I WOULD SEEK WAYS TO AVOID THIS.

ALSO, IF THERE ISN'T A MAJORITY SUPPORT FOR THE ADVANCED CARE PARAMEDIC MODEL, I WOULD AMEND MY MOTION TO PROPOSE THE PRIMARY CARE PARAMEDIC MODEL.

IN SHORT, THIS IS $150,000 CHEAPER THIS YEAR, AND AT THE BOTTOM OF MY EMAIL, IT HAS THE ALTERNATIVE COSTS FOR THAT MODEL.

I BELIEVE THAT WHILE WE MAY DISAGREE ON THE VALUE OR HOW WE WOULD PRIORITIZE STREET OUTREACH FUNDING, WE DO AS A GROUP AGREE THAT THE WORK STREET OUTREACH DOES IS IMPORTANT AND VALUABLE.

FOR THIS REASON, I WILL FOCUS THE REMAINDER OF MY REMARKS HERE TODAY ON THE CONCERNS I'VE HEARD FROM COLLEAGUES ON AN EXPANSION TO THIS PROGRAM IN THE PAST, TO THE CONCERN THAT THE BASIC HEALTH CARE SERVICES THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED BY SUCH AN EXPANSION IS NOT WITHIN OUR MANDATE AS A CITY I WOULD SAY THIS.

IT IS WITHIN OUR MANDATE.

IN FACT, IT IS THE FIRST POINT IN OUR STRATEGIC DIRECTIONS TO SERVE PEOPLE FIRST, WHICH MEANS, QUOTE, FACILITATING A SAFE, ACCESSIBLE AND INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY THAT SUPPORTS THE WELL-BEING OF ALL. SPECIFICALLY, THIS MEANS FOCUSING ON A LIVABLE COMMUNITY BY, QUOTE, SUPPORTING ALL RESIDENTS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE SOCIAL, FABRIC AND PHYSICAL SPACE OF OUR COMMUNITY. THIS DOCUMENT ALSO STATES THAT WE AS A CITY STAND FOR, QUOTE, BEING RESPONSIVE TO THE NEEDS OF THE PUBLIC.

CONCERNS AROUND HOMELESSNESS, SOCIAL ISSUES, AND SAFETY FOR ALL ARE THE MOST COMMON TOPICS I HEAR ABOUT AS A COUNCILOR.

IF WE ARE TO PRACTICE THESE WORDS AND BE LEADERS IN REGARDS TO THESE ISSUES, I SEE IT AS IMPERATIVE FOR US TO TRY NEW APPROACHES AND PROPERLY RESOURCE POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS, WHEN IT'S CLEAR THAT MORE NEEDS TO BE DONE.

THE SPECIFIC TIMELINE I'VE PROPOSED IS ALSO MEANT TO ALLAY CONCERNS REGARDING THIS MANDATE QUESTION.

THE OCTOBER 2026 DATE ENSURES THAT THE CITY IS NOT COMMITTED TO THIS LONG TERM, AND THAT THE COMMITMENT IS BASED UPON OUR COUNCIL'S STRATEGIC DIRECTIONS.

IT ALSO MAKES CLEAR TO THE GNWT THAT THEY NEED TO STEP UP TO ENABLE THE LONG TERM SUCCESS OF THIS PROGRAM.

WHILE WE CANNOT CONTROL THE ACTIONS OF OTHER LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT, WE CAN BE LEADERS AND SO RESPONSIVENESS TO THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY.

EXPANDING THIS PROGRAM NOW MEANS GATHERING RELEVANT, PRACTICAL DATA THAT WILL HELP SERVICE PROVIDERS, THE CITY AND THE GNWT KNOW WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DOESN'T.

ANOTHER CONCERN I'VE HEARD FROM COLLEAGUES IS THAT WE DO NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES TO EXPAND THIS PROGRAM.

I BELIEVE THAT WE DO.

WE COULD USE SOME OF THE 3.5 MILLION TENTATIVELY DESIGNATED FOR AN EMERGING ISSUES RESERVE.

I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS DISCUSSION AROUND THIS AND AM NOT OPPOSED IN PRINCIPLE.

WHILE THERE ARE EMERGING ISSUES THAT DESERVE ATTENTION AND RESOURCES SUCH AS THE CHANGING CLIMATE, WE CANNOT FORGET ABOUT ADDRESSING THE EXISTING ISSUES THAT ARE PROFOUNDLY AFFECTING RESIDENTS DAILY.

ANOTHER FACTOR TO CONSIDER REGARDING RESOURCES IS THAT WE HAVE CUT OR RELEASED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY DURING BUDGET DELIBERATIONS SO FAR.

FOR THESE REASONS, I BELIEVE THAT WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO BOTH BALANCE KEEPING THE INCREASE IN COST OF LIVING FROM THE CITY REASONABLE, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME MAKING A MEANINGFUL CONTRIBUTION TO ADDRESSING ONE OF THE MOST LONG STANDING AND IMPACTFUL ISSUES FACING RESIDENTS.

ANOTHER FACTOR TO CONSIDER WHEN THINKING ABOUT RESOURCES IS THE COST TO THE CITY PER INTERACTION OR RESPONSE FOR THE STREET OUTREACH PROGRAM COMPARED TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

GRANTED, THE DIFFERENCE IN LEVEL OF SERVICE, TRAINING AND OVERHEAD BETWEEN THESE TWO SERVICES IS VERY, VERY DIFFERENT.

BUT I DO FEEL THAT THE FOLLOWING NUMBERS DO REFLECT THE COST EFFECTIVENESS OF STREET OUTREACH.

FROM JANUARY TO MARCH 2023, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT RESPONDED TO 1362 CALLS AT AN AVERAGE COST TO THE CITY OF $1,266 PER INTERACTION.

DURING THE SAME TIME, STREET OUTREACH GAVE 1685 RIDES AT AN AVERAGE COST TO THE CITY OF $53.

GIVEN THE SAME NUMBER OF RIDES WITH AN ACP MODEL, THE EXPANSION ON PROPOSING THE AVERAGE COST WOULD BE $163, AND WITH THE SLIGHTLY

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THE HOPE IS, AND I THINK IT LIKELY, THAT THE INCREASED LEVEL OF SERVICE PROVIDED BY THESE MODELS WOULD INCREASE THE NUMBER OF RIDES, SLASH INTERACTIONS FOR STREET OUTREACH, AND BOTH DRIVE DOWN THE AVERAGE COST OF THESE INTERACTIONS, BUT ALSO FURTHER REDUCE THE CALLS HANDLED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AT THEIR HIGHER COST.

WELL, WHAT I'M PROPOSING IS NOT AN ONGOING COMMITMENT.

IT IS A COMMITMENT TO DO SOMETHING NOW TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE.

I'M A FIRM BELIEVER THAT TRYING NEW APPROACHES AND GETTING PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE IS WHAT OUR COMMUNITY NEEDS.

WHILE THE REVIEW NOW FUNDED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL CERTAINLY HAVE VALUE, I FEEL WE CANNOT AFFORD TO WAIT UNTIL THIS REVIEW STARTS TO PRODUCE PRACTICAL IMPACTS.

AS AN EXAMPLE OF THE TIME IT CAN TAKE, I WOULD POINT TO THE ARTS AND CULTURE MASTER PLAN.

IT WAS INTRODUCED IN NOVEMBER 2020 AND INCLUDED IN THE 2021 BUDGET.

HERE WE ARE DELIBERATING ON THE 2024 BUDGET THREE YEARS LATER, AND WE DO NOT YET HAVE AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN OR ANY PRACTICAL RESULTS BESIDES MAYBE THE VISITOR CENTER ART GALLERY. THIS IS NOT TO BLAME ANYONE.

I KNOW, EVERYONE INVOLVED IN THIS HAS BEEN WORKING HARD TO REALIZE AN IMPACT FROM THIS MASTER PLAN.

IT IS JUST TO POINT OUT THE TIME IT TAKES FROM FUNDING A REVIEW TO THE PRACTICAL EFFECTS BEING SEEN.

REGARDING THE ISSUE OF HOMELESSNESS AND SAFETY FOR ALL RESIDENTS, I DO NOT BELIEVE WE CAN WAIT FOR A REVIEW ON THIS ISSUE BEFORE WE TAKE STEPS TO ADDRESS IT IN NEW WAYS.

TO SUM UP, I BELIEVE EXPANDING THE STREET OUTREACH PROGRAM WOULD HAVE A SIGNIFICANT POSITIVE IMPACT IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THAT IT IS MORE THAN WORTH THE RESOURCES IT WOULD TAKE. I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE THESE RESOURCES THAT SUCH AN EXPANSION IS WITHIN OUR MANDATE, AND THAT LIVING BY OUR STRATEGIC DIRECTIONS CALLS ON US TO INCREASE THIS LEVEL OF SERVICE. I WELCOME AND LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING THE THOUGHTS OF MY COLLEAGUES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

SO, COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN, JUST FOR CLARITY ON THE MOTION, YOU'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THIS START IN THE EXPANSION STARTS IN JULY 2024.

SO YOU'RE RECOMMENDING A 370 K INCREASE IN 2024 OR 730 K.

SO 730 K, WHICH WOULD BE A $370,000 INCREASE.

YOUR, YEAH, 370,000 NEEDS TO BE ADDED TO THE BUDGET FOR GRAND TOTAL OF OKAY.

WITH 1.1 MILLION NEEDS TO BE ADDED IN 2025.

-360 SO..

YEAH, BUT WE'RE TALKING IN TOTALS FOR 2025.

AND YEAH, THIS YEAR WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TOP UPS IN 2025 IT WOULD BE, YOU'RE ASKING ADMIN TO PUT 1.1 MILLION IN FOR 2025.

AND 2026 IS DOWN TO 915,000.

CORRECT? OKAY.

CL ARITY. EVERYBODY'S CLEAR ON THE MOTION, ADDING 370,000 IN 2024 AND THEN 1.1 MILLION IN 2025, AND THEN 915,000 IN 2026.

QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, DISCUSSION.

COUNCILLOR COCHRANE. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

I DO NOT SUPPORT THIS MOTION.

I THINK THE STEP BACK PROCESS REVIEWING THIS PROGRAM, AS IS SUGGESTED WITH $100,000 THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, IS THE BEST WAY TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS.

I UNDERSTAND, AND I RESPECT THE PASSION FROM COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN ON THIS TOP SUBJECT MATTER, AND I DO HOPE IN THE FUTURE THAT WITHIN COMBINED RESOURCES WE WILL BE ABLE TO TACKLE THIS. BUT I DO DISAGREE WITH THE PREMISE THAT FULLY FUNDING THIS WILL THEN CONVINCE THE GNWT TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROGRAM.

IF WE TAKE UPON RESPONSIBILITIES WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE FAR BEYOND OUR JURISDICTIONAL PURVIEW, THE GNWT HAS SHOWN TIME AND TIME AGAIN THEY WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE FUNDING. IT IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY THEY NEED TO STEP UP.

WE DO ONLY SHOULD FILL THE GAP TO SO FAR HERE.

I LOOK FORWARD TO THIS PROGRAM ASSESSMENT COMING FORWARD AND SEEING WHAT KIND OF DATA WE CAN GET FROM THAT, BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE AN AGREEMENT NOW WITH THE GOVERNMENT OF THE NORTHWEST TERRITORIES FOR A WORKING GROUP WHERE WE CAN HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AND THEN HOPEFULLY COME UP WITH COMBINED FUNDING.

BUT I, AGAIN, REALLY APPRECIATE THE PASSION AND THE MOTION PUT FORWARD, BUT I WILL NOT SUPPORT IT AT THIS TIME.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU.

I'VE COUNCILLOR PAYNE AND COUNCILLOR MCGURK.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

I ECHO EVERY WORD THAT COUNCILOR COCHRANE SAID.

I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS AT THIS POINT, AT THIS TIME.

WE'VE. YEAH, LIKE.

I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET ANY SUPPORT FROM DIFFERENT LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT IF WE JUST GO AHEAD AND PAY FOR EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW.

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PEOPLE ARE STRUGGLING, PAYING THEIR TAXES, PAYING THEIR BILLS.

I WILL NOT PUT AN EXCESSIVE AMOUNT INTO THIS ONE.

I THINK THAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN MORE THAN, GENEROUS WITH THE FUNDING THAT WE'VE PROVIDED.

AND, YEAH, I SO I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR MCGURK.

THEN I HAVE COUNCILOR ARDEN-SMITH AND THEN COUNCILOR FEQUET.

THANK YOU. I'M WONDERING IF, ADMINISTRATION COULD CLARIFY HOW.

EMERGENCY SERVICES ARE, I GUESS, DETERMINED.

AND, WHAT OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS A MUNICIPALITY IS TO DELIVER EMERGENCY SERVICES.

THE EMERGENCY SERVICES BYLAW OUTLINES A LOT OF THAT.

BUT MS. BASSI-KELLETT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I WILL ASK MR. MCLEAN TO SPEAK TO THIS, BUT BEFORE HE SPEAKS TO THE DETAIL AROUND OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES BYLAW AND THE COMMITMENT THAT'S IN THERE FOR EMERGENCY RESPONSE BY CITY EMS PROVIDERS, I THINK IT'S A REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT THING TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHILE THE STREET OUTREACH VAN IS PROVIDING AN ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL SERVICE, WE ARE VERY MUCH COMMITTED TO ENSURING THAT THE EXPERTISE OF OUR PCP'S TO RESPOND TO EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES IS MAINTAINED.

THEY ARE THE ONES THAT ARE ABLE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION WHETHER OR NOT SOMEBODY NEEDS THAT EMERGENCY MEDICAL CARE, AND THEY ARE THE ONES MANDATED TO BE ABLE TO TRANSPORT PEOPLE TO EMERGENCY.

I'LL ASK MR. MCLEAN IF HE'D LIKE TO WEIGH IN.

YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

SO NOT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE ACP AND PCP, MODEL THAT'S BEING SUGGESTED IS.

BUT, FROM AN EMERGENCY SERVICES PROTECTION, PERSPECTIVE, WE DO HAVE A FIRE PROTECTION BYLAW WHICH DELINEATES OUR SERVICE, FOR THE COMMUNITY ON TOP OF THAT, TO BETTER DEFINE THE QUALITY OR LEVEL OF SERVICE, WE HAVE A COUNCIL ENACTED LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WAS POUNCED BY A COUNCIL IN APRIL 21ST OF 2021.

THAT CLEARLY DEFINES SO FROM AN EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES PROVIDER PERSPECTIVE.

OUR SCOPE OF PRACTICE THAT WE APPLY IS A BASIC LIFE SUPPORT SERVICE.

THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE CRITICAL INTERVENTIONS.

IT DOES PROVIDE SOME SYMPTOM RELIEF DRUGS.

WE OPERATE UNDER A MEDICAL DIRECTOR THROUGH A SET OF MEDICAL PROTOCOLS ESTABLISHED BY ALBERTA HEALTH SERVICES.

IN THE FIRE PROTECTION BYLAW, IT'S CLEARLY DEFINED THAT THE ONLY AMBULANCE SERVICE THAT CAN OPERATE IN THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE IS BY THE YELLOWKNIFE FIRE DIVISION. SO HEARING ABOUT A ACP MODEL THAT IS INTRIGUING BECAUSE THROUGH A SCOPE OF PRACTICE, YOU CAN'T RELEASE, PATIENTS TO A LOWER LEVEL OF CARE.

YOU HAVE TO RELEASE THEM TO AN EQUAL OR HIGHER LEVEL OF CARE.

SO IF WE HAVE AN ACP STREET OUTREACH AND THEY NEED TO BE, TREATED AND TRANSPORTED TO THE CITY THROUGH THE OUTREACH MODEL, IT IF IT'S AN ACP MODEL, WELL, THEY COULDN'T CALL THE FIRE DIVISION, BUT WE'RE THE ONLY AMBULANCE SERVICE.

SO IF WE CHOOSE TO TRANSPORT THEM THROUGH THE SERVICE, WE'RE ACTUALLY IN VIOLATION OF THE BYLAW.

SO THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME THINGS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT HERE.

I LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT AWARE OF THE MODEL, BUT THERE COULD BE SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGE MANAGEMENT THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO ENACT.

SO, HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.

YEAH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE THOROUGH, THOUGHTFUL RESPONSE.

YEAH, I REALLY I GUESS I WANT TO SAY THAT I APPRECIATE WHERE COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN IS COMING FROM WITH THIS MOTION, AND I MIGHT YET STILL CHANGE MY MIND ON THIS AS WE'RE SPEAKING, JUST LISTENING TO EVERYONE'S PERSPECTIVE AND LISTENING TO OUR STAFF AND THEIR REMARKS.

I THINK THAT WE HAVE A WE'RE MISSING THE MARK PERSONALLY ON DELIVERING SERVICES AND ADDRESSING, THESE ISSUES.

I THINK WE HAVE PUT A VERY LARGE BURDEN ON THE CURRENT CARE PROVIDERS.

AND WE SHOULD PROBABLY STEP UP.

I DO ALSO BELIEVE, THOUGH, THAT THAT MEANS THAT THERE SHOULD BE A MEANINGFUL INTEGRATION INTO OUR SYSTEMS AND TO PROVIDE FUNDING AT THIS POINT, SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD CREATE A RIFT, BETWEEN WHAT

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SO I DON'T LIKE I SAID, I MIGHT STILL CHANGE MY MIND, BUT IN THIS MOMENT, I DON'T KNOW THAT I COULD SUPPORT THE MOTION.

THANK YOU.

COUNCILOR ARDEN-SMITH.

THANK YOU.

I HAVE TO AGREE WITH THE COUNCILOR MCGURK ON THE FACT THAT WE ARE MISSING THE MARK.

HOWEVER, THE ONUS AND RESPONSIBILITY OF THIS IS NOT SOLELY ON OUR SHOULDERS, BUT IT LANDS ON THE SHOULDERS OF THE TERRITORIAL GOVERNMENT, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, BY US, FORKING OVER THIS MONEY TO PROVIDE THIS SERVICE, WE ARE THEN TELLING THE GNWT THAT WE WE DON'T NEED THEIR ASSISTANCE.

SO I THINK WE DO NEED TO PUT A HOLD ON ANY FUNDINGS, FURTHER BEING PUT TOWARDS STREET OUTREACH.

NOT THAT I'M NOT IN BELIEF THAT THEY NEED THE ASSISTANCE, BUT WE REALLY DO NEED TO HAVE THIS ASSESSMENT DONE.

AS WAS STATED, THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A PILOT PROJECT SEVEN YEARS AGO.

AND SO IF WE TACK THIS ON UNDER THE GUISE THAT IT'LL BE TEMPORARY, IT'LL END UP BECOMING A PERMANENT SITUATION, JUST LIKE WHERE WE ARE NOW SEVEN YEARS LATER, WHEN IT WAS ONLY SUPPOSED TO BE A PILOT PROJECT AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE, FUNDED PARTIALLY BY THE TERRITORIAL GOVERNMENT.

SO I WILL NOT BE IN SUPPORT OF FURTHERING, THIS MOTION.

FURTHERMORE, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO A LOT OF RESIDENTS WHEN I WAS ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL, AND MANY WERE VERY FRUSTRATED WITH, CONTINUOUS MONEY BEING, PUT FORWARD AND NO SUPPORT FROM THE TERRITORIAL GOVERNMENT.

SO FROM RESIDENTS, THEY ARE VERY EAGER TO HAVE THE TERRITORIAL AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO ASSIST WITH THESE LARGE PROGRAMS THAT NEED TO BE SUPPORTED.

THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR FEQUET, THEN COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.

THANKS, MADAM CHAIR.

I WAS INITIALLY NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THE REVIEW BECAUSE IT CAME ACROSS AS SOMETHING TO REPLACE THE CURRENT OUTREACH OR THE POTENTIALLY EXPANDED OUTREACH PROGRAM.

BUT, YOU KNOW, AFTER REFLECTING, I MEAN, THE REVIEW IS GREAT, AND NOW WE'RE NOT EVEN PAYING FOR IT.

THE FEDS ARE. BUT I THINK WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT WITH EVERYTHING GOING ON, THE AFTER ACTION ASSESSMENT, THE WILDFIRE PREPARATIONS THAT MIGHT BE TAKING PLACE, ALL THESE MASSIVE CAPITAL PROJECTS ACROSS ALL DEPARTMENTS, THAT WE WOULD BE VERY GRATEFUL IF THIS EVEN BEGAN THIS CALENDAR YEAR, LET ALONE GETTING RESULTS AND THEN GOING IN HAND WITH THOSE RESULTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO OUR PARTNERS AT THE GNWT TO ASK THEM TO FUND IT AS THEY SHOULD. SO I'M IN 100% AGREEMENT THAT THAT IS THE IDEAL OUTCOME.

BUT I RECOGNIZE THAT THAT'S A MEDIUM TERM SOLUTION.

AND FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER ACTION THAT WE CAN TAKE THAT IS WITHIN OUR SPHERE OF CONTROL THAT WE CAN AFFORD THAT WILL HAVE A POSITIVE OUTCOME.

I'M NOT SAYING I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS MOTION.

NOT BECAUSE HOMELESSNESS IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY OR GNWT'S RESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE WE CAN ADDRESS EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING WITH ADDICTIONS.

IT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE IN OUR CITY ARE NOT COMING DOWNTOWN BECAUSE IT'S NOT SAFE.

I'VE HAD SO MANY FRIENDS EXPLAIN HOW THEY'RE NOT COMING DOWNTOWN, EVEN TO GET GROCERIES OR SHOP, AND THAT'S NOT OKAY.

AND THE OTHER THING THAT I GUESS, YOU KNOW, REALLY STRIKES ME IS THAT, WE HAVE HAD RESIGNATIONS FROM OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT.

WE CAN'T EVEN FILL ALL THE POSITIONS.

AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT MANY OF THE CALLS THAT THEY DO IN A 12 HOUR SHIFT ARE NOT THE TYPE OF CALLS THEY SIGNED UP FOR.

I'VE HAD SEVERAL FIREFIGHTERS SHARE STORIES ABOUT HOW IF THERE WAS ONLY SOME WAY THAT PEOPLE COULD HAVE MINIMAL FIRST AID AND SOMEONE TO HELP TAKE THEM WHERE THEY NEED TO GO, THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE A TAXI SERVICE AT $1,200 A TRIP.

SO FOR ME, THAT'S THE BIG DRIVING FACTOR IS OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND PARAMEDICS WHO ARE BEING ASKED TO DO MORE THAN THEY SIGNED UP FOR.

AND WE'RE ALREADY STRUGGLING TO RETAIN THEM AND ATTRACT FIREFIGHTERS TO PROTECT OUR CITY AND OUR RESIDENTS.

YEAH. AND I THINK THIS DID START AS A PILOT PROGRAM SEVEN YEARS AGO.

AND THE REASON IT'S STILL GOING IS BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN VALUE IN IT.

THE CITY HAS ACTUALLY REQUESTED THAT THE CURRENT SERVICE DELIVERY, THE ORGANIZATION WHO'S DELIVERING THESE SERVICES TO TO DO MORE AND THEY CAN BARELY DO WHAT THEY'RE DOING FOR THE CURRENT FUNDING.

SO IT'S NOT GENEROUS.

IT'S NOT THEY'RE NOT MAKING MONEY ON THIS.

THIS IS A SERVICE TO HELP PEOPLE IN NEED.

AND, PUBLIC SAFETY IS WITHIN OUR MANDATE.

FINDING WAYS TO RETAIN STAFF AND CREATE A POSITIVE ENVIRONMENT AND A REVITALIZED DOWNTOWN IS WITHIN OUR MANDATE.

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THEY STILL GOT TO GO DOWNTOWN, GET OFF THE BUS AND GO TO WORK.

PEOPLE STILL NEED RIDES.

SO I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS MOTION.

AND LOOKING AT OUR FINANCES, THAT'S NOT A QUESTION THAT IS A OR A CONCERN IN MY MIND.

YEAH, I'LL LEAVE IT THERE FOR NOW.

THANK YOU, COUNCILOR WARBURTON.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

YEAH, I OFF THE TOP, I WON'T BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS MOTION.

STREET OUTREACH IS AN AMAZING PROGRAM, AND I ABSOLUTELY THINK IT DOES NEED TO BE EXPANDED.

I AM JUST VERY, VERY COGNIZANT OF STAYING IN OUR WHEELHOUSE, ADDING A PARAMEDIC OF SOME KIND THAT IS A HEALTH SERVICE, AND WE DO NOT PROVIDE THAT AS A MUNICIPALITY. THAT IS CLEARLY A GNWT RESPONSIBILITY, AND I AM VERY NERVOUS WHEN I HEAR OF ASSUMING HIGH LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT'S RESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE, AS HAS BEEN SAID, WE WILL JUST NEVER TAKE IT BACK.

SO I DON'T THINK IT IS OUR MANDATE TO DO THAT.

I DO AGREE WITH, COUNCILOR FEQUET, PUBLIC SAFETY IS.

BUT I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE WAY TO DO IT.

WITHOUT A ROBUST REPORT AND SUPPORT FROM THE HIGH LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT.

SO, AND I THINK THERE'S THINGS THAT WE CAN DO AS A CITY, WHICH WE HAVE NOT EVEN CONSIDERED WITH BYLAWS AND, AND KIND OF HOW WE CAN DO SOME MORE COMMUNITY OUTREACH STUFF THAT'S IN OUR MANDATE AND SCOPE, WHICH HOPEFULLY WE'LL TALK ABOUT LATER THIS YEAR.

SO, FOR MANY THOSE REASONS, I THINK, YEAH, IT'S JUST WELL, OUTSIDE OF OUR MANDATE AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET MORE SUPPORT LATER.

THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR HENDRICKSEN.

THANKS MAYOR ALTY. I'VE STRUGGLED ON WHETHER OR NOT TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE OR NOT IS THE COMMENTS ARE HEAVY, WEIGHTY.

BUT I FEEL AS THE CHAIR OF THE COMMUNITY ADVISORY BOARD WHO HEARS FROM THE MEMBERS OF THAT COMMITTEE ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF STREET OUTREACH, I WANT TO SAY THAT I RECOGNIZE THAT VALUE OF THE STREET OUTREACH PROGRAM, BUT, THIS IS A LOT OF MONEY AND A LOT OF WHAT COUNCIL WARBURTON JUST SAID. I AGREE WITH WE HAVEN'T TESTED THE OTHER AVENUES THAT WE CAN WORK WITH THE PEOPLE WHO CALL.

THE STREETS OF YELLOWKNIFE HOME.

SO FOR ME, IT'S THE HEAD HEART THING THAT I SAID THE LAST TIME THIS CONVERSATION CAME UP.

I CAN'T SUPPORT THE MOTION AS IT IS.

I WANT TO, BUT I CAN'T, BUT I WAS KIND OF WONDERING WHETHER OR NOT I'D THROW A MOTION IN AFTERWARDS, SO I MIGHT DO THAT AFTER THIS, BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN BAND-AID, RECOGNIZING THAT 360 HAS BEEN WHAT HAS BEEN ON THE TABLE OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, AND THAT HASN'T CHANGED.

AND WE TALK ABOUT INFLATION AND WE'RE SAVING 100,000.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE YELLOWKNIFE WOMEN'S SOCIETY, THEIR FINANCES FROM THE PAST FEW YEARS, WHICH THEY APPROACHED US BACK IN OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, NOW, I BELIEVE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, PUT 40, 50,000, BUMP IT UP TO 400, 410,000, GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE LEEWAY TO CONTINUE THE SERVICES WE HAVE NOW.

I ALSO THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S I KNOW THE VAN'S BEEN OFF THE ROAD RECENTLY FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, LIKE THOSE ARE MECHANICAL ISSUES.

IT'S NOT THAT THE CITY HAS STEPPED BACK AND ABANDONED THEM OR, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE ISSUES THAT EVEN IF WE HAD ADDITIONAL MONEY TOMORROW, THAT WOULD STILL NOT BE SOLVED TOMORROW.

AND MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT WE DO TAKE ON THIS RESPONSIBILITY THAT G.A.

ALTY NEVER STEPS FORWARD, THE FEDS NEVER STEP FORWARD.

WE'RE LIKELY GOING TO HAVE A CHANGE OF GOVERNMENT NATIONALLY IN THE COMING YEARS.

THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE IN THE MANDATE MOST LIKELY OF.

SO I, I FEEL LIKE IT'S JUMPING THE GUN IF WE GO OUT.

DO THIS, A REVIEW COMES BACK, TELLS US WE NEED SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

POTENTIALLY. IN WHICH CASE WE'RE DOWN ONE ROAD BACK TO JUMPING THE GUN AND GOING DOWN A ROAD AND SUNK COST FALLACY AND ALL THAT FUN STUFF.

BUT YEAH, SO THAT'S THE LONG WAY OF SAYING AT THIS MOMENT, I CAN'T SUPPORT THE MOTION AS IT IS.

I WANT TO, BUT I CAN'T.

SORRY. THANKS.

THANK YOU.

FOR MYSELF, I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION EITHER.

I DO LOOK FORWARD TO THE THE STREET OUTREACH REVIEW BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT OPERATING MODELS ACROSS CANADA.

I WAS JUST TALKING TO WHITEHORSE, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

THEY HAVE TWO OUTREACHES, TWO OUTREACH VANS THAT ARE OPERATING, BOTH FUNDED BY THE TERRITORIAL GOVERNMENT.

ONE IS A MEDICAL VAN AND ONE IS A MOCCASIN MOBILE VAN.

BOTH PROVIDE TWO DIFFERENT SERVICES.

ONE IS PROVIDING MORE OF THE WOUND CARE AND AND MORE MEDICAL CARE.

THE OTHER ONE'S PROVIDING, YOU KNOW, HATS, COATS, MITTS, A WARM DRINK, SOMETHING TO EAT.

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SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT MODELS.

AND WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACHIEVE? AND SO, YOU KNOW, HEARD OF THE TAXI, BUT IS ARE WE LOOKING TO BE A TAXI OR ARE WE LOOKING TO DO SOMETHING ELSE? SO FOR MYSELF, I'M GOOD WITH THE CURRENT AMOUNT OF FUNDING.

REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO THE REVIEW.

CAB DOES HAVE FUNDING.

WE'VE ALSO JUST GOT AN EXTRA.

850,000 THAT HAS TO BE SPENT BY MARCH 31ST, WHICH WERE DELIBERATING.

SO IF THIS IS A KEY PRIORITY FOR HOUSING ORGANIZATIONS, IT CAN BE SOMETHING THAT'S BROUGHT FORWARD AT THAT TIME.

YEAH. AND THE OTHER THING I'M UNFORTUNATELY THE THE STREET OUTREACH DID BUY A NEW VAN.

AND THE TREND ONE OF THE PARTS IS IS A LEMON.

SO EVEN WITH THOSE NEW VEHICLES, THEY CAN STILL CAUSE PROBLEMS. BUT, YEAH, LOOK FORWARD TO THE REVIEW.

WITH THAT COUNCIL MCGURK, SECOND ROUND.

I JUST, I THINK I WANTED TO SAY THAT I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS PART OF OUR MANDATE, WHETHER OR NOT WE TAKE ON THE ENTIRE SCOPE OF HEALTH SERVICE DELIVERY.

THIS IS, THE SORT OF IDEA OF DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION OF OF REDUCING SERVICE COSTS TO RESIDENTS AND REDUCING THE WEIGHT OF WORK ON OUR EXISTING STAFF.

THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THIS MOTION.

I. I STILL CAN'T, IN GOOD SORT OF CONSCIENCE SUPPORT IT.

ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IF THERE IS A, A SORT OF DETERMINATION THAT WE NEED TO INTEGRATE THESE SERVICES.

I DON'T THINK THAT IT WOULD BE VERY GOOD TO TRY TO GO BACK ON THAT AFTER WE ALLOW THE WOMEN'S SOCIETY TO IMPLEMENT THEIR OWN SYSTEM. I DO THINK THAT IF THERE'S APPETITE, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF PROVIDING ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO THE WOMEN'S SOCIETY.

THEY ARE DOING INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT WORK, AND THEY ARE ADDRESSING ISSUES THAT ARE EXIST WITHIN OUR MANDATE.

AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD NOT BE A BAD IDEA TO INCREASE OUR BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR.

THANK YOU.

SECOND ROUND CLOSING COMMENTS, THEN TO COUNCILOR MCLENNAN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO ALL MY COLLEAGUES FOR THEIR THOUGHTS.

FULLY APPRECIATE HEARING THEM.

I UNDERSTAND THE POINT THAT'S BEEN MADE BY SEVERAL COUNCILORS REGARDING THE GNWT AND THE MANDATE ISSUE.

I APPRECIATE THE DIFFICULTY HERE, I HEAR YOU.

EXPANDING THIS PROGRAM IS WHAT I CAN DO AS A CITY COUNCILOR TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

I BELIEVE EVERY LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO DO MORE IN THIS AREA.

THIS IS WHY I'M BRINGING THIS FORWARD.

IN TERMS OF COST OF LIVING, WE HAVE CUT OR RELEASED $4.45 MILLION DURING DELIBERATIONS SO FAR.

A VERY COGNIZANT OF THIS, AND I FEEL LIKE WE CAN BOTH BALANCE THE COST OF LIVING AND RESPONDING TO THE NEEDS OF RESIDENTS.

I HAVE A LITTLE BIT HERE ABOUT AMENDING THE MOTION TO THE PCP MODEL.

I WAS UNAWARE OF THE HIGHER LEVEL OF CARE ISSUE.

THERE DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE A MAJORITY OF SUPPORT.

SO THIS SEEMS TO BE MOOT.

THANKS AGAIN TO ALL COUNCILORS FOR THEIR THOUGHTS AND THEIR POSITIONS.

WE MAKE DECISIONS AS A GROUP, AND I'LL SUPPORT THE CONSENSUS.

I WOULD FULLY SUPPORT ANY FURTHER MOTION TO PROVIDE A SMALLER LEVEL OF FUNDING TOP UP.

IN LIGHT OF THE INFLATION EVERYONE'S SEEN OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

SO, TO THE MOTION OF EXPANDING THE STREET OUTREACH PROGRAM TO INCREASE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, TO BE AN ADVANCED CARE PARAMEDIC MODEL, THEREFORE INCREASING THE CONTRIBUTION IN 2024 TO A GRAND TOTAL OF 730,000.

1.1 MILLION IN 2025 AND 915,000 IN 2026.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? OPPOSED, AND THAT'S DEFEATED, WITH COUNCILLOR FEQUET AND COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN IN FAVOR.

ANYTHING FURTHER ON COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTORATE? YOU BET. COUNCILLOR HENDRICKSEN WITH THAT FUN CONVERSATION.

SO I'LL KEEP THIS ONE SHORT.

AND THIS IS FOLLOWING FROM MY LAST COMMENT.

SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADD $50,000 TO THE STREET OUTREACH PROGRAM IN 2024, FOR A TOTAL OF $410,000.

SECOND BY COUNCILOR MCGURK.

COUNCILLOR HENDRICKSEN DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO IT FURTHER? YEP. QUICK AND SHORT AGAIN IS WE HAVE A COMMUNITY ADVISORY BOARD MEETING ON FEBRUARY 8TH.

SO BASICALLY WHAT I'M SEEKING RIGHT NOW IS YOUR SUPPORT TO ADD $50,000 TO THE BUDGET.

BUT I WOULD SAY THAT IF COMMUNITY ADVISORY BOARD DOES SUPPORT ANY FUNDING FOR THE STREET OUTREACH PROGRAM, OUR MEETING FOR COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE BUDGET IS FEBRUARY 12TH.

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SO IF THERE WAS ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDING ADDED THROUGH ADDED THROUGH REACHING HOME, WE COULD REMOVE THIS AT THE FEBRUARY 12TH MEETING.

BUT KNOWING THAT IF CAB DOESN'T APPROVE ANY FUNDING, I STILL BELIEVE THAT THIS IS WORTH IT.

WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE INFLATION EVERYONE HAS HAD TO DEAL WITH OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.

THANKS MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU.

MISS BASSI-KELLETT CAN GET AN UPDATE ON, THE PERCENTAGE INCREASE BETWEEN 2023 AND 2024, I BELIEVE, STREET OUTREACH HAS INCREASED, IS THAT CORRECT? I WILL ASK MR. WHITE IF HE KNOWS THAT THE AMOUNT OF FUNDING THAT'S IN THE BUDGET FOR, YK STREET OUTREACH IN BUDGET 2024.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NO, I DON'T HAVE THAT OPEN IN FRONT OF ME.

WOULD YOU TAKE ME A FEW MINUTES TO SCROLL THROUGH TO FIND IT? BUT THERE WAS A, COST OF LIVING INCREASE, I THINK IS, WHAT, AROUND 3 OR 4%.

OKAY? YEAH.

YEAH. THE. YEAH, YEAH.

WE TABLE IT UNTIL, WE GET THAT ONE.

I DID HAVE A QUESTION AS WELL.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT, IS THIS THE DIVISION THAT HAS THE HOMELESSNESS COORDINATOR IN IT? MR. WHITE.

THE HOMELESSNESS PORTFOLIO FALLS UNDER THE PROGRAM MANAGER.

THANK YOU. OKAY, I WILL HOLD MY QUESTION TILL WE GET TO THAT SECTION THERE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTORATE BUDGET, QUESTIONS OR MOTIONS? SEEING NONE.

WE STILL HAVE THAT TABLE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO REVERT BACK TO IT.

NEXT WE HAVE THE ARENA'S BUDGET.

ANY QUESTIONS OR MOTIONS? SEEING NONE.

NEXT WE HAVE THE FIELD HOUSE.

SEEING NONE, NEXT WE HAVE THE YELLOWKNIFE CURLING CLUB.

SEEING NONE.

NEXT WE HAVE THE PARKS DIVISION.

AND TO NOTE THAT 2024 HAS THAT ONE TIME ALLOCATION OF 40,000 FOR THE COFFIN LOWERING DEVICE.

ANYTHING. ANY QUESTIONS OR SEEING NONE, NEXT WE HAVE THE LIBRARY BUDGET. ANY QUESTIONS OR MOTIONS? I ALSO HEART THE LIBRARY.

SEEING NONE.

OH COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.

THANK YOU. IT'S A CONDOMINIUM.

AND THOSE CONDO FEES, OBVIOUSLY ARE JUST PROJECTED.

I HAPPEN TO KNOW THAT CONDO FEES ARE GROWING EXPONENTIALLY.

I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF THAT'S BEEN ADJUSTED FOR IN 24 AND GOING FORWARD.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE ARE ACTIVE MEMBERS ON THE CONDO BOARD.

OUR MANAGER OF THE LIBRARY DOES ATTEND REGULARLY.

I WILL ASK MR. WHITE IF HE CAN ADD ANY, FURTHER ILLUMINATION ON THIS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE NUMBER THAT WE BROUGHT FORWARD IS BASED ON THE THE MOST RECENT INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE.

AS MS. BASSI-KELLETT MENTIONED FROM OUR ATTENDANCE ON THE, THE CONDOS.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

SEEING NOTHING FURTHER ON THE LIBRARY.

NEXT WE HAVE THE POOL, WHICH IS.

YEAH, WE'LL UPDATE THE NOTE BECAUSE THERE SHOULD BE A FEW.

A FEW POSITIONS WERE ADDED IF WE GO BACK UP TO THE START, FOR 2024, THERE'S ONE POOL MAINTENANCE SUPERVISOR STARTING FROM JULY ONWARDS, AND THERE'S FIVE POOL MAINTAINERS STARTING FROM OCTOBER ONWARDS.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THE POOL? SEEING NONE.

NEXT WE HAVE RECREATION.

ANY QUESTIONS? MOTIONS. SEEING NONE.

NEXT WE HAVE THE WILDCAT, WHICH I SEE THE RFP OUT.

ANY OF THOSE, LOOKING TO MANAGE THAT.

SEEING NONE.

OH, SORRY. WHERE DID PROGRAMS GO? PROGRAMS. THOSE PROGRAMS UNDER RECREATION

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PROGRAMS DIVISION. RECREATION.

OKAY, SO, SORRY.

WE'LL GO BACK TO PAGE 66.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT, IS THIS WHERE THE HOMELESSNESS COORDINATOR POSITION IS LOCATED? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.

I WILL ASK MR. HOYT IF HE CAN RESPOND TO THIS.

THANKS FOR THE QUESTION. THE HOME, AS I MENTIONED, THE HOMELESSNESS PORTFOLIO FALLS UNDER THE PROGRAMS DIVISION.

HOWEVER, I'M LOOKING AT, THE BUDGET, AND IT APPEARS THAT THE NUMBERS ARE STILL UNDER THE DIRECTOR.

OKAY. YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT USED TO BE.

SO THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING FOR.

OKAY. SO WE'LL POP BACK UP TO THE DIRECTORATE, WHICH IS PAGE 57.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT.

WE ARE.

WE WERE ONLY SUPPOSED TO BE OR FUNDING A PORTION OF IT, AND THE REST IS REACHING HOME FUNDING.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S STILL THE CASE OF I BELIEVE IT WAS 50% TAXES, 50% REACHING HOME MS. BASSI-KELLETT IF I CAN GET CONFIRMATION.

THAT'S CORRECT. I'LL ASK MR. WHITE IF HE CAN ELABORATE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO JUST TO BE, I GUESS CRYSTAL CLEAR, THE HOMELESSNESS SPECIALIST IS 50% FUNDED BY THE CITY, 50% FUNDED BY, THE REGIONAL HOME FUNDING.

THE HOMELESSNESS COORDINATOR IS 100% FROM THE REACHING HOME FUNDING.

RIGHT. THANK YOU.

SO JUST WONDERING, BECAUSE IN GRANTS, WE ONLY SHOW $1,000.

SO IN WAGES AND BENEFITS, IS IT ONLY SHOWING 50% OF THEIR SALARY AND NOT THE FULL SALARY? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

I WILL SEE IF MR. WHITE OR WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER THIS ONE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE HOMELESSNESS FUNDING.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING IN THAT THERE IS, I GUESS SOME OF IT IS RECORDED IN ANOTHER SET OF GLS AND THEN SOME IN THE DIRECTORATE.

BUT THE AS WITHOUT CHECKING TWO, TWO DEEP.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YES, IT IS REFLECTED IN, IN OUR, DIRECTOR'S FUNDING TO 50%.

OKAY. SO WE'RE ONLY SHOWING HALF OF THE WAGES AS OPPOSED TO THE FULL WAGES WITH THE THE REMAINING SHOWING AS A GRANT.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

YES. THANKS.

CORRECT. OKAY.

YEAH. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE GOT A FAIR BIT OF REACHING HOME FUNDING.

ANY FURTHER WHILE WE'RE HERE, UPDATE ON THE FUNDING FOR STREET OUTREACH FOR 2023 VERSUS 2024, MS. BASSI-KELLETT. MR. WHITE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THERE WAS A $4,000 INCREASE FROM 2023 TO 2024 IN THE STREET OUTREACH FUNDING.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

SO WITH THAT, COUNCILLOR HENDRICKSEN, IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE ON YOUR MOTION, WHICH, SORRY TO BE CLEAR, WAS TO ADD 50,000 CORRECT TO . SO MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS TO ADD 50 K TO THE STREET OUTREACH PROGRAM.

COUNCILLOR HENDRICKSEN.

NOTHING FURTHER.

ANY FURTHER, COUNCILLOR COCHRANE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR. I'M RELATIVELY HESITANT TOWARDS THIS BEING THE FACT THAT WE HAVE $800,000 JUST WAITING TO BE ALLOCATED THERE.

SO I'M JUST WANT TO GET A LITTLE MORE CLARITY FROM YOU ON HOW THAT'S GOING TO GO ABOUT WITH THE ALLOCATION.

SURE. SORRY I CUT YOU OFF BY HITTING MY MIC EARLY.

SO THE 850 IS AN EMERGENCY REACHING HOME FUNDING ALLOCATION FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

AND SO THAT HAS TO BE SPENT BY APRIL 30TH.

SO THERE'S SOME FUNDING REMAINING FROM THIS CURRENT YEAR'S WHICH IS BEING ALLOCATED ALREADY.

BUT THIS 850,000 THE FEDS HAVE RECENTLY ALLOCATED TO THE CITY OF ILLINOIS.

AND IT HAS TO BE SPENT BY APRIL 30TH, WHICH IS A GOOD ASK.

AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BUNCH OF PROJECTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING THIS THURSDAY.

IN ADDITION TO THEN THERE'S THE BROADER FUNDING FOR 2024, 2025 AND 2025-2026 IF WE DECIDE TO DO SOME MULTIYEAR FUNDING.

BUT THAT WOULD BE MORE WHERE ANY POTENTIAL STREET OUTREACH FUNDING WOULD COME FROM.

IS THAT 2024-2025 FUNDING ALLOCATION, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

SO NOT THE EMERGENCY 850 BECAUSE THAT HAS TO BE SPENT BY APRIL 30TH.

OKAY. AND YOUR MOTION IS TO NOT JUST ADD THE 50 FOR THE 2024, YOU'D WANT TO ADD THE 50 JUST FOR THE 2024.

RIGHT NOW. OKAY.

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

JUST TO TAKE 370,000 AND DIVIDE IT BY 12.

STREET OUTREACH COSTS $30,833, WHICH MEANS WE COULD SPEND JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH, APRIL, 50 THOUSAND.

THE OTHER OPTION THAT COUNCIL COULD HAVE.

WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE THE MOTION TONIGHT.

THE MOTION COULD BE MADE ON MONDAY NIGHT IF CAB, CHOOSES NOT TO FUND STREET OUTREACH.

SO IF COUNCILLOR HENDRICKSEN WANTS TO WITHDRAW HIS MOTION AND WE CAN CONSIDER IT MONDAY IF CAB DOESN'T SUPPORT IT.

SORRY. KEEP CUTTING EVERYBODY OFF BEFOREHAND.

OH, YEAH, I'M FINE WITH THAT.

AND IF YOU KNOW, JUST TO MAKE YOU KNOW THE POINT FROM COUNCILLOR COCHRANE, BECAUSE THE TIMING WORKS IN OUR FAVOR IN TERMS OF DATES, I'M TOTALLY FINE WITH DOING THAT.

YEP. OKAY, SO WE WILL MOTION OFF THE TABLE, BUT HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AT CAB, AND THIS COULD BE BROUGHT BACK FOR DISCUSSION MONDAY.

OKAY. WE ZOOMED BACK UP TO THE WILDCAT CAFE.

THERE WAS NOTHING.

AND SO LAST BUT NOT LEAST WAS CITY HALL.

ANY QUESTIONS OR MOTIONS? SEEING NONE.

NEXT WE HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY AND THE DIRECTORATE IS THE FIRST PAGE, PAGE 72.

TO NOTE THAT 2024 INCLUDES THE ONE TIME ALLOCATION OF 100,000 FOR RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE AFTER ACTION ASSESSMENT AND 20,000 FOR PUBLIC INFORMATION EDUCATION SESSION ON EVACUATION PREPAREDNESS.

ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, MOTIONS ON THIS ONE.

COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I SEE IT SAYS IT'S PRESUMING 50% RECOVERY.

WHEN WILL WE KNOW? KIND OF A MORE ACCURATE NUMBER.

MONTHS. YEARS.

IS THERE AN IDEA? I THINK IT TOOK EIGHT YEARS FOR CALGARY, BUT I ALSO FORGOT TO SAY, IN HERE IS ALSO A RECOMMENDATION FOR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT MANAGER POSITION IN 2024.

BUT MS. BASSI-KELLETT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THE MAYOR STOLE MY THUNDER WITH THAT GREAT DRAMATIC, ALL THE INFORMATION WE HAVE FROM CITY OF CALGARY IS, FROM THEIR 2013 FLOOD.

THEY ARE STILL, LETTING THE DUST SETTLE ON SOME OF THE MINOR PIECES, BUT IT TOOK THEM TILL ABOUT 2022 TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE FULL PICTURE.

SO WE CONTINUE TO PUSH THIS, A LOT OF IT, OF COURSE, IS THE FEDERAL FUNDING.

SORRY, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS VERY, VERY, PRECISE IN TERMS OF THE KIND OF INFORMATION THAT THEY WANT IN ORDER TO JUSTIFY PAYMENT OF FUNDS.

SO WE ARE, OF COURSE, WORKING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN HONOR ALL OF THAT JUSTIFICATION.

THERE IS SOME WORK RIGHT NOW, SOME LOBBYING THAT THE GNWT IS DOING TO HELP WITH, FUNDING MITIGATION EFFORTS AS OPPOSED TO RESPONSE, THEY'RE TRYING TO LOBBY ON BEHALF OF THE N.W.T.

TO SEE IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THAT AREA.

BUT SO FAR, WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING OR SORRY, THEY HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING BACK IS THE LATEST INTEL I HAVE FROM THEIR, DEPUTY MINISTER EARLIER THIS MONTH.

THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

A QUESTION ABOUT THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT MANAGER.

WILL THEY BE TASKED WITH ANY COMMUNICATIONS DUTIES TO INFORM THE PUBLIC OF ONGOING WORK OR POTENTIAL RISKS? IT'S A BIT OF A TONGUE TWISTER, THAT ONE THERE.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

SO THE MANAGER WOULD BE OUR LEAD ON OUR ALL HAZARD EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PROGRAM.

AND SO THE KEY WORK THAT THEY WOULD BE DOING WOULD BE LIKE UNDERTAKING A COMPREHENSIVE REVISION OF THE CITY'S EMERGENCY MEASURES PLAN TO MAKE SURE IT'S UP TO DATE, COMPREHENSIVE, AND TO ACHIEVE COMPLIANCE WITH CURRENT NWT EMERGENCY PLAN AND EMERGENCY LEGISLATION.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN FACILITATE EFFECTIVE EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS THROUGH ONGOING PLANNING REVIEW, RISK ASSESSMENT, TRAINING, EDUCATION EXERCISES, AUDIT, ONGOING SUPPORT FOR ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE SAW THAT WE VERY MUCH NEED AFTER 2023.

WE WANT TO LOOK AT, THE COORDINATION OF THE CITY, RESPONSE TO ANY EMERGENCY OR THREAT AND TO DEVELOP A BUSINESS CONTINUITY PLAN.

SO THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT HAVE A PUBLIC EDUCATION COMPONENT.

EVERY FRANKLY, EVERY DEPARTMENT OF THE CITY HAS A COMMUNICATION COMPONENT.

SO WORKING WITH OUR COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT, OUR LEADS ON THIS, THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS, ARE ONES THAT ARE PROVIDING A LOT OF THE INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE SHARED WITH THE PUBLIC. SO THERE WOULD BE A PUBLIC, COMMUNICATION COMPONENT TO THIS.

I'LL ASK MR. MCLEAN IF HE'D LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING.

THANKS FOR THE QUESTION. YEAH.

FROM OUR EMERGENCY PROGRAM PERSPECTIVE, IT IS VITAL THAT WE GET, MORE INFORMATION OUT TO OUR RESIDENTS SO THAT THEY CAN NOT ONLY LOOK AT THEIR OWN

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SO, WHEN IT COMES TO THE COMMUNICATION PERSPECTIVE, WOULD THIS INDIVIDUAL BE SPECIFICALLY PUTTING OUT COMMUNICATIONS? NO. THEY WOULD COLLABORATE WITH OUR COMMUNICATIONS DIVISION AND USE THE MEDIUMS THAT WE HAVE EITHER OUR WEBSITE, SOCIAL MEDIA, PRINTED DOCUMENTS TO SUPPLY THAT INFORMATION TO OUR RESIDENTS.

THANKS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE ANSWER AND, TOTALLY UNDERSTAND.

AND YEAH, THINKING BACK TO COUNCILOR WARBURTON'S POINT ABOUT THE NUMBER OF COMM STAFF WE HAVE, THINKING ABOUT THAT FOR FUTURE BUDGETS, FOR SURE.

AND JUST ONE MORE QUESTION ON THAT, LIKE, WILL THIS, I'LL CALL IT THE EMM FOR MY OWN SAKE, WILL THIS POSITION BE TASKED WITH, LIAISING WITH COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS REGARDING PLANNING RISK AND OR ACTIONS, PARTICULARLY COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS THAT WORK WITH AT RISK POPULATIONS? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

SO IN UNDERTAKING ALL ASPECTS OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATION, UNDER THE DIRECTION OF THE DIRECTOR AND THE CITY MANAGER, THIS MANAGER WOULD BE WORKING TO LOOK AT OUR EMERGENCY PLAN. AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ASPECTS, OBVIOUSLY WITHIN THE PURVIEW AND MANDATE OF THE CITY.

AND AS WE WORK WITH OTHER ORDERS OF GOVERNMENT THAT HAVE THE MANDATE FOR VULNERABLE POPULATIONS AND SUPPORT THERE, WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO COLLABORATE.

MR. MCLEAN, ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? I THINK, JUST TO THE COUNSELOR'S POINT, ANY ADVANCES IN OUR EMERGENCY PROGRAM REQUIRES INTERACTION AND COLLABORATION WITH NOT ONLY, MUNICIPAL AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS EMO, BUT ALSO WITH, NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANYTHING FURTHER ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY DIRECTORATE BUDGETS? SEEING NONE.

NEXT WE HAVE THE FIRE BUDGET.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT. I BELIEVE THERE WERE, TWO POSITIONS THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO BE ADDED BUT DIDN'T MAKE IT INTO THE DRAFT DOCUMENT.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO THOSE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR, FOR HIGHLIGHTING THIS.

YES, AS WE WERE, PUSHING VERY HARD TO GET ALL OF OUR INFORMATION ENTERED INTO OUR DRAFT BUDGET 2024.

THERE WAS AN INADVERTENT OVERSIGHT.

PART OF IT RELATES TO, OF COURSE, SOME WORK THAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING IN COLLABORATION WITH THE GNWT MACA, ON HOW WE CAN ENHANCE THE CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN NWT 911 AND THE CITY'S OWN PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATIONS CENTER.

SO WE HAVE PROPOSED THE ADDITION OF TWO DISPATCHERS WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE COLLABORATIVELY BETWEEN THE CITY AND MACA.

IN LOOKING AT THESE ENHANCEMENTS OF HOW WE CAN CONNECT SO THAT THERE IS SEAMLESS INTERACTION BETWEEN OURSELVES AND NWT 911.

THIS INVOLVES THE CITY BEING ON THE SAME PLATFORM, THAT WE ARE ABLE TO THEN TAKE CALLS FROM 911 USING PRO QA, WHICH IS THE PLATFORM THAT IS USED BY 911, AND THAT THERE WOULD BE THIS SEAMLESS INTEGRATION.

THEN THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE TWO PYS, IN THE DISPATCH AREA IS TO SUPPORT THAT TRANSITION AND TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE MEETING NFPA STANDARDS.

I'LL ASK MR. MCLAIN IF HE'D LIKE TO ELABORATE ON THIS.

YEP. THANKS FOR, FOR FLAGGING AND BRINGING THIS FORWARD.

SO, THE TWO PY POSITIONS THAT ARE BEING CONTEMPLATED STEMS ALL THE WAY BACK, IF I CAN BRING SOME OF YOU BACK TO OUR MASTER PLAN FROM 2016, WHERE, THE BEST PRACTICE IS THROUGH THE NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION IS TO HAVE TWO DISPATCHERS.

WE'VE SOUGHT TO HAVE THAT IMPLEMENTED OVER A PERIOD OF YEARS.

SOME OF THE BARRIERS TO THAT HAS BEEN, OUR INTEGRATION AND INTEROPERABILITY WITH 911 AND, RESPONSIBILITIES IN THE DELIVERY OF THAT, YOU KNOW, TELECOMMUNICATION AND EMERGENCY CALL PROCESSING PART.

SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS, THROUGH, GREAT SUPPORT FROM MACA, WE SOUGHT TO, TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS THE APPROPRIATE MODEL TO DELIVER THAT SERVICE.

AND HOW CAN WE COLLABORATE AND WORK TOGETHER, JOINTLY TO IMPROVE, HOW THE RESIDENTS RECEIVE THAT SERVICE.

SO THROUGH CONSULTATION AND RECOMMENDATIONS PUT FORWARD, THROUGH MACA AND OURSELVES, THE SIMILAR PLATFORM THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, ALLOWS US TO BOTH BE SPEAKING THE SAME LANGUAGE, IN ORDER TO FULLY AFFECT THAT PLATFORM IN ALL

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JUST AS WE HEARD FROM THE MASTER PLAN TO HAVE TWO DISPATCHERS ON SHIFT, WE ALSO HEARD FROM THIS PROCESS WE NEED TO HAVE TWO DISPATCHERS ON SHIFT.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THANK YOU.

SO THE THAT PAGE WILL GET UPDATED BUT FOR THE FINAL BUDGET.

COUNCILLOR. MCLENNAN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

JUST ONE QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION.

AND THEN A MOTION.

THE QUESTION, SO THOSE TWO DISPATCHERS, IT SOUNDS LIKE.

AND JUST LOOKING TO CONFIRM THAT THOSE TWO DISPATCHERS WOULD INCREASE OUR CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

I THINK BASED ON SOME OF THE STATISTICS THAT WE HAVE, WHEN WE SEE THE NUMBERS OF CALLS INCREASING AS THEY HAVE, WE ARE IN SOME WAYS KEEPING UP WITH WHAT THE DEMAND IS. THE POINT THAT WE'VE MADE AROUND THE UTILIZATION OF PRO QA AS OUR PLATFORM, THAT OUR EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS STAFF UTILIZE, THAT'S AN ENHANCEMENT FOR SURE.

WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL AND APPRECIATIVE THAT MACA IS FUNDING OUR TRANSITION TO THAT.

SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A COMBINATION OF THINGS, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE MEETING STANDARDS FOR OUR STAFF IN BEING ABLE TO DELIVER THIS REALLY ESSENTIAL SERVICE.

MR. MCLEAN, ANYTHING TO ADD? YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT THE FIRE DIVISION IS THE ONLY DIVISION WITHIN THE CITY OF OF YELLOWKNIFE MUNICIPAL STRUCTURE THAT ACTUALLY HAS A COUNCIL DIRECTED LEVEL OF SERVICE.

SO IS THIS AN ADDITION TO OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE? NO, IT IS NOT.

IT IS A REQUIREMENT THAT WE NEED TO SUPPORT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT COUNCIL IN ALL THEIR SUPPORT HAD ENACTED IN 2021 AND TO PROVIDE A, A REASONABLE WORKLOAD FOR THE STAFF THAT WE HAVE ON.

SO IT'S, I THINK TO TO SAY THAT IT'S INCREASING WOULD NOT BE COMPLETELY ACCURATE.

WHAT IT'S DOING IS IT'S SUPPORTING THE ALREADY EXISTING LEVEL OF SERVICE BY, REDUCING SOME OF THE IMPACT DIRECTLY ON SOME OF OUR TELECOMMUNICATORS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE A MOTION.

AND THAT MOTION WOULD BE TO INCREASE THE NWT RESIDENT AMBULANCE FEE TO $500 AND THE OUT OF TERRITORY RESIDENT AMBULANCE FEE TO $575. THANK YOU.

DO I HAVE SECONDER TO THAT MOTION? COUNCILOR WARBURTON, COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE MOTION? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THIS IS JUST TO EVEN OUT ALL OF THE AMBULANCE FEE INCREASES TO BE ROUGHLY 25%.

CURRENTLY, WITH THE PROPOSED DRAFT BUDGET, THE YELLOWKNIFE RESIDENT INCREASED THE AMBULANCE FEES 26%, THE NWT RESIDENT INCREASES 12%, AND THE OUT OF TERRITORY RESIDENT INCREASES 9%.

I'M JUST LOOKING TO MAKE ALL OF THOSE, EVEN AT ROUGHLY 25%.

THANK YOU.

AND TO NOTE, MONDAY GPC WILL BE, ANY REVISIONS THAT ARE NEEDED TO THE FEES AND CHARGES BYLAW.

SO THEN YOU COULD SEE THIS MOTION REFLECTED THERE.

BUT, BUT IT'S GOOD TO DO IT NOW SO THAT IT COMES TO PLUS IT HAS A WHOLE IMPACT ON ON THE BUDGET.

ANYTHING FURTHER ON THE MOTION? MS. BASSI-KELLETT, ANYTHING FROM ADMINISTRATION? THANKS VERY MUCH.

WE REALLY APPRECIATED THE DIRECTION THAT COUNCIL SET FOR BUDGET 2024 ON INCREASING THE RATES.

CERTAINLY I KNOW THAT PROPORTIONALLY WE HAVE A LOT FEWER NWT AND OUT OF NWT RESIDENTS THAT ARE THAT WE HAVE TO CHARGE UNDER THIS.

WE RESPECT FOR COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN IS COMING FROM ON THIS.

I'LL SEE IF, MR. MCLEAN HAS ANYTHING HE'D LIKE TO ADD.

NO, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.

WELL, I'LL JUST ADD A NOTE THAT, HISTORICALLY, THROUGH OUR AMBULANCE FEES, THE FIRE DIVISION HAS LOOKED TO RECOUP 25% OF OUR OVERALL COST THAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR A NUMBER OF DECADES NOW.

SO IT MAY BE AN ANTIQUATED PROCESS.

SO THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING THE DISPARITY IN THE PERCENTAGE ALLOCATION BASED ON THE NUMBER OF THOSE INCIDENTS YOU WOULD SEE A YEAR IS ON THE PREMISE TO TRY TO RECOUP THAT PERCENTAGE. SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU TO THE MOTION TO INCREASE THE FEE FOR NWT TO 500 AND FOR OUT OF TERRITORY TO 575, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. AND THAT CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

ANYTHING FURTHER ON THE FIRE BUDGET?

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NEXT WE HAVE MED.

A MUNICIPAL ENFORCEMENTS ANY QUESTIONS OR MOTIONS.

SEEING NONE AND WE KIND OF COME TO A NATURAL BREAK, SO.

WELL, WE'VE GOT FIVE MINUTES TO SPARE, BUT, NEXT IS PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WE WILL PARKING LOT AND COME BACK TO AFTER THAT WE GET INTO PUBLIC WORKS.

SO LET'S TAKE, A TEN MINUTE BREAK AND COME BACK ON PAGE 89.

SO BACK AT 7:05 P.M..

OKAY. WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO, FLIP BACK TO MED, PAGE 75, BECAUSE MS. BASSI-KELLETT, IF COUNCILLOR WANTS TO INTRODUCE A MOTION ABOUT, LIVERY LICENSE, BYLAW REVIEW RECOMMENDATION, WOULD THAT BE TO ADD FUNDING TO MED, OR DIRECTORATE.

WHAT WOULD YOUR PREFERENCE BE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR, FOR THIS.

SO IF THERE IS AN INTEREST AND THIS IS A PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN A VERY BIG ONE.

WE DO HAVE POLICY CAPACITY.

AND OF COURSE, IT DOES RELY ON THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTISE OF OUR STAFF IN MUNICIPAL ENFORCEMENT WHO DEAL WITH THE LIVERY LICENSE DAY IN AND DAY OUT.

UNFORTUNATELY, THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE INTERRUPTED THEIR ABILITY THE FRONT LINE SERVICE DELIVERY, THE MOVEMENT TO AMPS, THE CONSTANT WORK TO IMPLEMENT THE ENFORCEMENT POLICY, DIFFERENT THINGS RECENTLY, INCLUDING THE NOISE BYLAW AS COUNCILORS ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH, LOTS OF THINGS TAKE A LOT OF TIME.

AND SO WORKING ON A PROJECT OF THIS MAGNITUDE IS SOMETHING THAT, WILL BE, IS IMPORTANT.

AND WE WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE THE RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO PRIORITIZE THIS.

NOW, HAVING SAID THAT, MED IS BUSY.

IF IT'S NOT THINGS LIKE NOISE BYLAW, THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE EYE OF THE STORM WHEN IT COMES TO MANY OF THE SOCIAL ISSUES AS WELL.

THEY ARE IN CITY FACILITIES, PARTICULARLY IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, LIKE THE VISITOR CENTER AND THE LIBRARY.

THEY ARE PATROLLING FOR SAFETY.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT'S ON THE GROUND THAT IS SUPPORTED BY THE MANAGER, WHO'S REALLY THE PERSON THAT WOULD HAVE THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTISE TO BE CONTRIBUTING TO THE WORK OF A CONSULTANT.

SO IF THIS IS ADDED IN FOR BUDGET 2024, I WOULD LIKE TO TEMPER THIS WITH, WHEN THE WORK PLAN COMES FORWARD WITH COUNCIL'S STRATEGIC DIRECTIONS AND THE ACTIONS THAT GO WITH THAT, THAT THERE BE SOME THOUGHT GIVEN TO HOW TO TRIAGE THE WORKLOAD OF MED.

BECAUSE WORKING ON THIS WITH THE SUPPORT OF A CONSULTANT, OF COURSE, WILL REQUIRE TIME, ENERGY, EFFORT FROM OUR PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT AND FROM MED.

AND THAT MAY MEAN THAT OTHER PROJECTS NEED TO GO TO THE BOTTOM OF THE WORK PLAN.

SO RESOURCES ARE HELPFUL.

BUT MANAGING CONSULTANTS IS STILL REQUIRES WORK BY OUR STAFF.

AND SO, THERE WILL BE A TIME DEMAND ON OUR TEAM AS WELL.

BUT WE WELCOME ANY RESOURCES THAT CAN SUPPORT THE DELIVERY OF A REFRESH OF AN IMPORTANT BYLAW, LIKE THE LIVERY LICENSE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

SO FOR PAGE 75, MED COUNCILLOR HENDRICKSEN.

DID YOU WANT TO MOVE A MOTION? THANKS, MAYOR ALTY.

YEAH, I'D LIKE TO MOVE A MOTION TO ADD $75,000 TO COMPLETE THE LIVERY LICENSE BYLAW REVIEW BY CONTRACTING THIS WORK TO A THIRD PARTY.

THANK YOU. SECONDED BY COUNCILOR FEQUET, COUNCILLOR HENDRICKSEN WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE MOTION? THANK YOU, MAYOR ALTY, AND THANKS TO THE CITY MANAGER FOR THAT INTRODUCTION.

AND I THINK THAT REALLY HIGHLIGHTS FOR ME WHY I'M BRINGING THIS MOTION FORWARD.

SO MY COLLEAGUES KNOW THE PURPOSE OF THIS MOTION IS, THAT THE MOTION AROUND REVIEWING THE LIVERY LICENSE BYLAW IS A MOTION OF COUNCIL GOING BACK TO NOVEMBER 2015.

SO IT'S MOTION NUMBER 0382 15.

AS THE CITY MANAGER SAID, I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE TIME AND COMPLEXITY OF THIS ISSUE.

BUT FOR ME, A MOTION OF COUNCIL, WE EITHER NEED TO ACTION IT OR WE AS COUNCIL, I THINK, NEED TO SAY THIS ISN'T WORK WE ACTUALLY WANT TO GET DONE.

SO THAT'S A DECISION I THINK WE AS COUNCIL HAVE TO MAKE.

SO I'M MAKING THE ARGUMENT I THINK IT SHOULD GET DONE AND I'LL EXPLAIN THAT IN A SECOND.

BUT THAT WOULD BE THE FLIP SIDE IS AS THE CITY MANAGER REALLY JUST SAID, THERE IS WE NEED TO PRIORITIZE.

AND TO ME, IF THIS ISN'T A PRIORITY, THEN WE ALSO JUST NEED TO REMOVE THAT MOTION FROM 2015.

BECAUSE AFTER ALMOST A DECADE, THE WORK EITHER SHOULD HAPPEN OR IT SHOULDN'T.

SO THE ORIGINAL MOTION FOR FROM 2015, FOR THOSE INTERESTED, DIRECTS ADMINISTRATION TO BRING FORWARD RECOMMENDATIONS FOR AMENDING THE LIVERY LICENSE BYLAW TO IMPROVE DISPLAY REQUIREMENTS FOR DRIVER IDENTIFICATION INFORMATION AND OTHER IMPORTANT INFORMATION BASED ON BEST PRACTICES IN OTHER CITIES.

JUST, YOU KNOW, PROFESSOR, GOOGLING IT DURING MY OWN HIGH LEVEL INTER-JURISDICTIONAL REVIEW THIS PAST YEAR, AS I THOUGHT ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT TO BRING THIS FORWARD, YOU KNOW, OUR BYLAWS PRETTY OUTDATED WHEN IT COMES TO THINGS LIKE THE ACTUAL NAME OF THE BYLAW, WHAT TYPES OF BUSINESSES THE BYLAW APPLIES TO, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR CAMERAS AND TAXIS TO

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SOMETHING WE'VE ALL HEARD FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO INVESTIGATING POTENTIAL CRIME AND IS ENFORCED IN CITIES ACROSS CANADA, INCLUDING OUR NEIGHBOR IN WHITEHORSE, WHO RECENTLY JUST UPDATED THEIR OWN BYLAW TO INCREASE THE FINES FOR WHEN TAXI DRIVERS ARE UNPLUGGING THE CAMERAS.

SO FOR ME, AGAIN, THIS WORK NEEDS TO GET COMPLETED.

AND I BELIEVE THAT 75,000 WOULD BE ADEQUATE FOR REVIEW DRAFTING, COMPLETING THIS WORK.

AGAIN, I WOULD ARGUE WE NEED TO EITHER GIVE ADMIN THE RESOURCES TO GET THIS IMPORTANT WORK DONE OR, YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T DO THIS TODAY, THEN I'D PROBABLY MAKE A MOTION IN THE FUTURE TO GET RID OF THIS OLD MOTION FROM 2015 BECAUSE WE CLEARLY DON'T BELIEVE IT SHOULD HAPPEN.

SO THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION.

COUNCILOR MCLENNAN, THEN COUNCILOR COCHRANE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

QUESTION FOR ADMIN.

IT SOUNDS LIKE, YEAH, MED IS QUITE BUSY.

SO IF WE WERE SORT OF TO PUSH THIS INTO THIS YEAR, IS THERE ANY WORK ON THAT WORK PLAN THAT ADMIN WOULD RECOMMEND REMOVING LIKE YEAH, WHAT WOULD HAVE TO GO IF THIS IS GOING TO GET DONE THIS YEAR? MS. BASSI-KELLETT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT QUESTION.

IT'S IT'S A REALLY GOOD ONE.

SO AS COUNCIL MEMBERS KNOW.

MUNICIPAL ENFORCEMENT IS CALLED UPON A LOT TO DEAL WITH A LOT OF ISSUES.

ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS IN OUR ENFORCEMENT POLICY IS AROUND PRIORITIZING ISSUES THAT ARE RELATED TO PUBLIC SAFETY, AND THAT MUNICIPAL ENFORCEMENT IS PROACTIVE IN UNDERTAKING THAT WORK.

OTHER WORK THEN, OF COURSE, IS ON A COMPLAINTS BASED, COMPLAINTS REACTIVE TO COMPLAINTS, A COMPLAINTS BASIS.

THE OTHER THING, OF COURSE, IS THE PRIORITIES THAT ARE SET BY COUNCIL FOR MED ANNUALLY.

WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS THAT MED IS REALLY BUSY.

THERE HAVE BEEN LOTS OF THINGS COMING UP.

NOISE BYLAW FOR EXAMPLE, HAS TAKEN A LOT OF TIME RECENTLY.

SOME OF THE ISSUES AROUND THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT'S SPENT BY OUR STAFF IN THE LIBRARY, IN THE VISITOR'S CENTER, IS QUITE CONSUMING FOR THEM.

IN ADDITION TO ALL OF THE WORK THAT IS LAID OUT IN THE ENFORCEMENT BYLAW.

SO LOTS GOING ON THERE.

BUT I WILL ASK MR. MCLAIN TO SPEAK TO THIS.

AND THEN AFTER HE SPEAKS, I'LL ASK MISS THISTLE IF SHE'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE CONCEPT OF THE LIVERY LICENSE BYLAW, WHICH WE KNOW IS AN IMPORTANT ONE.

YEAH. THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS.

SO, AS MS. BASSI-KELLETT SAID, OUR MED DEPARTMENT IS QUITE TAXED WITH COMPLAINTS.

ONE OF THE, PROJECTS, ON OUR LIST FOR 2024, IS TO LOOK AT OUR PARKING METER. OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS AGING WITH OUR METERS, THE INTELLIGENCE, THE COIN OPERATION MECHANISMS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO WE DO HAVE THAT ON OUR WORK PLAN FOR REVIEW THIS YEAR.

THE NUMBER OF METER COMPLAINTS HAVE GONE UP, 120% OVER LAST YEAR WITH, FAILING METERS.

AS YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF OUR KEY SOURCES OF REVENUE GENERATION FOR THE CITY.

THAT GOES TO ACROSS A BROAD SPECTRUM.

SO, I MEAN, IF WE WERE LOOKING AT, TAKING ON THE LIVERY LICENSE THROUGH CONSULTING FEE, WHICH, VERY RESPECTFUL OF THAT, BEING PUT FORWARD, WE COULD LOOK AT, DEFERRING OUR METER REVIEW TILL NEXT YEAR.

IT WOULD PROBABLY INCREASE THE NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS AND OR MAY AFFECT, POTENTIAL REVENUE FROM THAT SERVICE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE SOME INPUT.

IN MY EXPERIENCE, THE CITY, WHICH IS ABOUT 16 YEARS, CONTRACTING OUT THE DRAFTING OF OUR CITY BYLAWS HAS NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL.

WE WOUND UP SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY AND A LOT OF TIME WITH CONSULTANTS.

AND IN THE END, WE'VE HAD TO REWRITE THE BYLAWS.

WE OFTEN HAVE CONSULTANTS THAT DON'T KNOW TERRITORIAL LEGISLATION, DON'T KNOW MUNICIPAL LEGISLATION.

THEY BASE THE BYLAWS ON OTHER JURISDICTIONS WHICH HAVE VERY DIFFERENT LAWS, PROVINCIAL LAWS.

WE'VE CHOSEN TO REGULATE TAXIS IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN OTHER CITIES.

SO IT'S NOT APPLES TO APPLES.

THIS BYLAW IS ONE OF THE TIMES WHERE YOU WILL SEE THE MOST ENGAGEMENT OR INTEREST IN ENGAGEMENT.

IT'S ONE OF THE FEW TIMES YOU'LL SEE COUNCIL CHAMBERS PACKED AND INCLUDING THE LOBBY, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST IN THIS.

IT'S A BIG UNDERTAKING THAT INVOLVES MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS, BUT IT NEEDS TO INVOLVE MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS.

WE DO HAVE POLICY IN OUR WHEELHOUSE.

BUT AS MS. BASSI-KELLETT MENTIONED, WE REALLY RELY HEAVILY ON THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS AND THE PEOPLE THAT DEAL WITH IT EVERY DAY.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH THE ADMINISTRATIVE MONETARY PENALTY SYSTEM THAT TOOK ABOUT TEN YEARS FROM LIKE KIND OF THE IDEA TO GET THE BYLAW ADOPTED.

BUT IT WAS A CONCERTED EFFORT BETWEEN OUR MY DEPARTMENT LEGAL AND POLICY AND MR. MCLEAN'S DEPARTMENT, MUNICIPAL ENFORCEMENT.

BECAUSE WE DID THE POLICY WORK IN THE DRAFTING, BUT WE REALLY RELIED ON THEIR FRONTLINE EXPERIENCE PROBLEMS THAT THEY SEE, ISSUES THAT COME UP, AND THEY'RE THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE

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SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO HAVE THEIR FEEDBACK AND INPUT DURING THE PROCESS.

SO IT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION THAT IF THIS IS A PRIORITY OF COUNCIL, THAT ADDING $75,000 TO THE BUDGET IS NOT PROBABLY NOT GOING TO GIVE US THE RESULT WE WANT ANYWAY.

IT WOULD BE A MORE, BENEFICIAL, I THINK, TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION, AS MS. BASSI-KELLETT HAS REFERENCED, WHEN WE BRING FORWARD THE WORK PLAN AND IF THERE'S OTHER PRIORITIES OF, MUNICIPAL ENFORCEMENT OR PUBLIC SAFETY OR POLICY THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE SHIFTED, THEN WE COULD PUSH THIS TO THE FOREFRONT.

HIRING A CONSULTANT IS NOT TAKING WORK OFF HER PLATE, EVER.

IT ADDS, IT ADDS A PROJECT.

AND THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT, EVEN WHEN YOU HAVE A GOOD CONSULTANT, IS STILL TIME CONSUMING.

AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, WE OFTEN DON'T GET THE PRODUCT THAT WE NEED AND WANT TO PUT IN A LOT OF EFFORT IN ANYONE THAT'S DONE DRAFTING, IT'S HARDER TO TAKE A PRODUCT AND REVISE IT THAN JUST START FROM SCRATCH.

SO, THAT'S MY $0.02 WORTH ON A CONSULTANT TO CREATE CITY BYLAWS IN GENERAL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE INFORMATION.

COUNCILLOR HENDRICKSEN DID YOU WANT TO OR YOU THOUGHTS ON WITH WITH THAT EXTRA INFORMATION ABOUT TACKLING THIS THROUGH THE WORK PLAN VERSUS ADDING MORE FUNDING? SURE. SO I MEAN, I'D BE INTERESTED TO HEAR FROM THE REST OF MY COLLEAGUES.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT, MISS THISTLE.

REALLY, IN TERMS OF THE CONTEXT.

I WOULD SAY THEN THAT WHEN THE WORK PLAN COMES FORWARD THAT WE AS COUNCIL EITHER BUMP THIS UP THE LIST AND ACTUALLY DO WORK THAT WAS COMMITTED TO IN 2015, OR LIKE I SAID, IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT, THEN I'LL PROPOSE A MOTION AT THAT TIME TO TAKE THIS OLD MOTION OFF THE TABLE, BECAUSE WE'RE EITHER SERIOUS ABOUT GETTING THE WORK DONE OR WE'RE NOT. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M JUST SITTING ON THIS.

THANKS. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR COCHRANE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.

I LOVE TAXIS.

TAKE THEM ALL THE TIME.

THEY'RE GREAT. BUT IT IS DEFINITELY A RELATIVELY ANTIQUATED REGULATORY REGIME WE HAVE WITHIN THERE.

EVEN FOR AN EXAMPLE, WHEN MOST OF THE JURISDICTIONS, TAXI DRIVERS, FOR SAFETY REASONS, DON'T NEED TO WEAR SEAT BELTS BECAUSE THEY CAN ACTUALLY BE USED TO STRANGLE SAID TAXI DRIVERS. AND IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.

I DO AGREE WITH THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS.

I JUST THINK WE MIGHT HAVE TAKEN A STEP, YOU KNOW, THE CHICKEN BEFORE THE EGG HERE, AND I THINK WE'RE BETTER SET TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THIS DURING THE WORK PLANS INSTEAD OF THE ALLOCATION OF THE FUNDING HERE.

SO AT THIS TIME, I WOULD MORE SUGGEST JUST EITHER TABLING OR DEFERRING THE MOTION AND THEN HAVING THIS DISCUSSION AT THE WORK PLANS.

BUT I DO AGREE THAT THIS IS A SERIOUS ISSUE THAT WE SHOULD BE TACKLING AND PRIORITIZING.

THANK YOU.

ANYTHING FURTHER, JUST FROM A PROCESS PERSPECTIVE, I'D RECOMMEND, JUST REMOVING THE MOTION FROM THE TABLE AND NOT DEFERRING IT.

IT'LL JUST BE BUT I ALSO APPRECIATE THE SPIRIT AND INTENT.

HOWEVER, WITH THE EXTRA BACKGROUND INFORMATION WOULD ALSO SUPPORT IT IN WORK PLAN AND BEING REALLY STRATEGIC.

SO COUNCILLOR HENDRICKSEN.

YOU'RE GOOD WITH..

SORRY I ALWAYS CUT YOU OFF.

YES, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF REMOVING IT FROM THERE.

AND THEN I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE APPRECIATIVE OF THE RUTHLESSNESS.

SO WE'LL GET INTO THAT CONVERSATION AT WORK PLANNING TIME.

THANKS. PERFECT.

SO, MOTIONS OFF THE FLOOR.

NOTHING FURTHER FROM MED.

SO WE WILL JUMP UP TO PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING.

WHICH, PAGE 89 IS WHERE WE START ON THE DIRECTORATE.

ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? DISCUSSION ON THE DIRECTORATE.

SEEING NONE.

NEXT WE HAVE THE CITY GARAGE BUDGET, MS. BASSI-KELLETT, IS THERE ALSO AN ADJUSTMENT TO WAGES AND BENEFITS ON THIS PAGES, THIS PAGES, THIS PAGE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.

I'LL ASK MR. GREENCORN TO SPEAK TO THIS.

YEAH. THERE WAS A SLIGHT ERROR ON THE TOP ROW UNDER WAGES AND BENEFITS, YOU'LL SEE A BIT OF A DECREASING TREND.

I BELIEVE THAT'S JUST AN ERROR.

WE WOULD EXPECT A SLIGHT.

THERE'S NO NEW POSITIONS OR ANYTHING, SO WE WOULD JUST SEE AN ADJUSTMENT ON THAT LINE ITEM.

SO WHERE YOU SEE THE SIX 112, IT SHOULD BE PROBABLY.

I'M GUESSING IT WOULD BE SOMEWHERE AROUND 618 ISH.

AND THEN YOU COULD SEE IN FUTURES THE ADJUSTED AMOUNTS MOVING FORWARD.

PERFECT. THANKS FOR THE CLARITY ON THAT ONE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE CITY GARAGE OR MOTIONS? SEEING NONE.

NEXT WE GET TO PUBLIC TRANSIT.

ANY QUESTIONS OR MOTIONS? COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. JUST CURIOUS.

I KNOW IT'S CONTRACTED SERVICE.

WHEN IS THAT COME UP FOR TENDER AGAIN? NEXT MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

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I THINK WE'RE IN THE FIRST YEAR OF A FIVE YEAR TERM.

I WOULD HAVE TO.

I'M GETTING IT BOGGLED UP IN MY MIND WITH OUR OTHER SERVICE CONTRACTS.

I BELIEVE THERE'S ROOM FOR A THREE YEAR EXTENSION, BUT I'D HAVE TO CONFIRM WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF COMPETITION IN THE TRANSIT WORLD.

BUT YEAH, I THINK WE'RE JUST FINISHING AUGUST WOULD BE, I BELIEVE THE ONE, AUGUST WAS THE ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY, I BELIEVE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR HENDRICKSEN. THANK YOU.

QUESTION FOR AMIN. WILL THE NEW BUSSES PLAN FOR OPERATION IN 2024 INCLUDE CONTACTLESS PAYMENT? IT'S QUITE EXPENSIVE ACTUALLY.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION, MR. GREENCORN. WE'RE WORKING THROUGH, I GUESS, ALL THE TECH ASSOCIATED WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THEY COME WITH VERY SPECIFIC FARE BOXES AND WE'RE DEFINITELY HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CONTRACTOR ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

IT'S A PRETTY BIG DEPARTURE FROM HOW WE MANAGE FARES NOW, BECAUSE IT'S ALL SELF-CONTAINED AND THE CITY MANAGES, COIN FARE AND WE CONTROL IT.

THE CONTRACTOR JUST KEEPS IT SECURE SO THEY DON'T TOUCH IT AT ALL.

SO IF THEY'RE NOW IN CHARGE OF THE CONTACT SYSTEM, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FROM A MAINTENANCE PERSPECTIVE? DO THEY NEED AN ACCOUNT? DOES THAT TRANSFER TO THE CITY.

SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH ALL THOSE THINGS.

SO I CAN'T PROMISE THAT IT WILL BE DONE IN 24.

BUT THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE HAVING TO SEE IF WE CAN MAKE TECHNOLOGY EXIST IN THE BUSSES THAT EXIST EVERYWHERE ELSE.

I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE WORKING THROUGH IT.

THAT. THANKS. THANKS FOR THAT INFORMATION.

BEYOND THAT, IF I CAN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION RELATED TO THE TRANSIT.

YEAH. SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT COUNCIL REVISE THE FEES AND CHARGES BYLAW, PART 13, PUBLIC TRANSIT FARES AND ADVERTISING FEES SO THAT THE FOLLOWING FEES ARE REDUCED. FEES FOR ADULTS REDUCED FROM $3 PER SINGLE TICKET TO $2 PER SINGLE TICKET.

FEES FOR AN ADULT PUNCH PASS REDUCED FROM $30 TO $20.

FEES FOR AN ADULT MONTHLY PASS REDUCED FROM 75 TO $50.

FEES FOR A MONTHLY PASS FOR SENIOR STUDENTS.

PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES IN THE YELLOWKNIFE ACCESSIBLE TRANSIT REDUCED FROM 50 TO $40.

FEES FOR AN ADULT ANNUAL PASS REDUCED FROM $750 TO $50.

FEES FOR AN ADULT ANNUAL PASS FOR SENIOR STUDENTS.

PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES IN THE YELLOWKNIFE ACCESSIBLE TRANSIT REDUCED FROM 500 TO $400.

OKAY. OH, YES. YOU HAVE SENT THIS TO COUNCIL KIT.

I'M JUST GOING TO CIRCULATE IT.

SO IT'S AT THE TOP OF EVERYBODY'S BOXES.

DO WE HAVE A SECONDER TO THE MOTION? COUNCILOR MCGURK.

COUNCILLOR. COUNCILOR BEN.

COUNCILOR HENDRICKSEN, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO IT.

I LIKE IT, COUNCILOR BEN.

SO MY REASONS FOR THIS MOTIONS ARE MANY, WHICH I'LL GET INTO IN A SECOND.

BUT IF ANYBODY WANTS TO FADE OUT AT THIS TIME, THIS IS YOUR CHANCE.

BASICALLY COMES DOWN TO AFFORDABILITY, SUPPORTING TRANSPORTATION OTHER THAN, VEHICLE TRANS PERSONAL VEHICLE TRANSPORT.

AND THE SIMPLICITY OF A FLAT FEE FOR SINGLE TICKET AND PUNCH PASSES AT THE POINT OF SERVICE.

SO, FIRST, OFTEN THE PEOPLE MOST DEPENDENT ON TRANSIT ARE THE PEOPLE WHO CANNOT AFFORD THE LUXURY OF OWNING THEIR OWN VEHICLE.

WE SHOULD BE DOING EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO MAKE LIFE AS AFFORDABLE FOR PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE.

AND DAILY SUBSIDIZED COMMUNITY TRANSPORT IS ONE OF THOSE MECHANISMS. SECOND TRANSIT FEES FOR A SINGLE TICKET IN TORONTO AND EDMONTON.

AS COMPARISONS FOR OURSELVES IS $3.35 AND $35, OR $3.50, RESPECTIVELY, SO ONLY $0.35 AND $0.50 MORE THAN AN ADULT TICKET IN YELLOWKNIFE.

WHILE I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE DIFFERENT ECONOMIES OF SCALE AND TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, BALANCE THE SYSTEM, WE DON'T BRING IN A LOT OF REVENUE FOR THE COST OF OUR TRANSIT AS IT IS.

AND YET WE HAVE A TICKET THAT'S COMPARABLE TO SOME OF THE LARGER CITIES IN OUR COUNTRY.

SO ONE WAY TO SHOW VALUE FOR MONEY IS BY REDUCING THOSE FEES.

PEOPLE, AS WE KNOW, MAKE CHOICES ALL THE TIME ABOUT COSTS.

YOU KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO SPEND THEIR MONEY ON AS THEY GO.

SO. THIRD, THE CITY HAS COMMITTED THROUGH THE CORPORATE AND COMMUNITY ENERGY ACTION PLAN TO REDUCE COMMUNITY WIDE GREENHOUSE GASES BY 30% BY 2025 FROM 2009 LEVELS.

AND THE PLAN ALSO COMMITS TO REDUCING COMMUNITY VEHICLE TRANSPORT TRAVELED BY 20% AND INCENTIVIZING TRANSIT USE THROUGH LOWER FEES AT A TIME WHEN AFFORDABILITY IS ALSO AN ISSUE FOR YELLOWKNIFERS, SHOWS A COMMITMENT TO ESTABLISH COMMUNITY TRANSPORT WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.

THIS IS NOTHING THAT'S BEING ADDED AS A NEW SERVICE.

THIS IS JUST MERELY MAKING AN EXISTING SERVICE MORE AFFORDABLE.

AS THE COMMUNITY ENERGY ACTION PLAN SAYS, MUCH OF THE ENDEAVOR TO REDUCE GHG EMISSIONS IN THE TRANSPORTATION SECTOR WILL COME FROM A COMMUNITY CULTURAL SHIFT INFLUENCED BY THE ACTIONS AND POLICIES OF CITY COUNCIL AND CITY ADMINISTRATION.

THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO TO MEET THE GOALS OF THIS, OF THE STRATEGY THAT THE CITY HAS.

FOURTH, I CAN REALLY ONLY ESTIMATE THE COST OF THE MOTION AT THIS TIME.

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WE'LL STILL BE BRINGING IN REVENUE WHILE MAKING A SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL IMPACT TO THE USERS OF THE SERVICE.

THERE'S EVEN POTENTIAL FOR INCREASED RIDERSHIP WHEN YOU REDUCE FEES.

SO THERE'S ACTUALLY IT'S SORT OF, YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT TAXES, THERE'S A CERTAIN POINT WHERE YOU RAISE TAXES TO A LEVEL WHERE YOU ACTUALLY STOP BRINGING IN ADDITIONAL REVENUE, SORT OF THE SAME IDEA.

SO FINALLY, I RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS A CHANGE TO TRANSIT THAT HAS NOT HAD PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT TO DATE BEYOND HOW IT CONNECTS TO THE TRANSIT STUDY FINDINGS, THE COMMUNITY ENERGY ACTION PLAN. SO PLANS THAT ARE IN PLACE ALREADY.

SO IF COUNCIL SUPPORTS THIS TODAY, I'LL MAKE SURE TO REACH OUT TO, COMMUNITY GROUPS LIKE ECOLOGY NORTH.

AND ALSO MAKE SURE THAT I PUT THIS OUT WIDELY ON MY OWN SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORM AND REPORT BACK NEXT WEEK.

IF ANYBODY RAISES A STINK ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL, I'LL MAKE SURE TO FLAG IT WHEN COUNCIL ACTUALLY WOULD VOTE TO MAKE THIS OFFICIAL NEXT MONDAY.

SO THANKS FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THIS MOTION.

THANK YOU.

MISS MS. BASSI-KELLETT, RECOGNIZING WE HAVE TO BALANCE THE BUDGET.

IT WILL IT BE POSSIBLE BY MONDAY NIGHT TO.

REVISE THIS REVENUE PROJECTION WITH THE THE NEW NUMBERS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, FLAGGING THAT, MADAM CHAIR.

SO, AS COUNCILORS ARE PROBABLY REMEMBERING WHAT WE NEED TO DO WHEN WE DEVELOP THE BUDGET IS WE HAVE TO DEVELOP A BALANCED BUDGET.

AND SO A BIG PART OF THIS IS WHEN WE DO LOOK AT CHANGES TO FEES AND CHARGES, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PLANNING ACCORDINGLY.

SO WE REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

WHEN COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE SENT THE SIGNAL AND PASSED A MOTION AND GOSH, I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER, 2023 WAS SUCH A BLUR.

BUT THERE WAS DIRECTION THAT CAME FROM COUNCIL TO INCREASE AMBULANCE FEES AND TO INCREASE PARKING FEES.

AND SO WE'VE BUILT THE BUDGET WITH THOSE ASSUMPTIONS IN PLACE.

NOW HAVING THIS KIND OF CHANGE WITH CERTAIN FEES CHANGING TO CERTAIN DEGREES, THIS IS GOING TO BE A MASSIVE UNDERTAKING FOR US IN THE NEXT 4 TO 5 DAYS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT, HOW TO DECONSTRUCT THE BUDGET WITH THOSE FEES AND THEN PUT IT BACK TOGETHER AGAIN.

SO IT'S COMING A LITTLE LATE IN THE PROCESS FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS IN A MEANINGFUL WAY.

THAT'S THE THE PROCESS SIDE OF THINGS.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK MISTER GREENCORN IF HE WOULD SPEAK TO, THE WORK THAT'S UNDERWAY AROUND LOOKING AT TRANSIT FEES THAT ARE PART OF OUR OVERALL TRANSIT MODERNIZATION. THANK YOU.

SURE. PART OF OUR OUR WORK PLAN FOR 2024 IS REVIEWING FARE OPTIONS BASED ON THE NEW FARE BOXES.

SO ANY FEE CHANGES THAT WE DO RECOMMEND OR, WILL BRING FORWARD WOULD BE SUBJECT TO COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND DISCUSSION.

ANYWAY. SO I DO BELIEVE IN 2024, WE'LL BE ABLE TO, BRING FORWARD THE CHANGES THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE OR MAYBE NOT THE EXACT CHANGES YOU'D LIKE TO SEE, BUT AT LEAST THE DISCUSSION. AND THEN THAT WOULD BE OPEN FOR DEBATE.

SO I HOPE THAT HELPS.

IT WOULD BE MUCH EASIER AGAIN, AS MS. BASSI-KELLETT SAID, TO HAVE IT AT THAT TIME AND THEN WE CAN CONTEMPLATE IT IN THE, IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE 2025 BUDGET SO WE COULD GET DONE.

WHAT, COUNCILOR HENDRICKSEN IS REQUESTING WHILE ALSO, I GUESS, KEEPING THE THE BONES OF THIS BUDGET INTACT.

THANKS. YEAH. THE WHEN THE IN NOVEMBER.

THE STRATEGIC DIRECTION ACTION PLAN WHEN THAT CAME FORWARD.

THAT'S WHAT ADMINISTRATION RECOMMENDED WAS THE NEW FARE STRUCTURE FOR 2024.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER OPTION FOR FOR FOLKS.

ANYTHING FURTHER ON THIS MOTION? COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN THEN COCHRANE THEN MCGURK.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND, THANKS TO COUNCILLOR HENDRICKSEN AND AS WELL, STAFF FOR THEIR POINTS.

I'D BE IN SUPPORT, OF THE MOTION, PARTICULARLY BASED ON THE RIDERSHIP POINT, POTENTIALLY SLIGHTLY CHEAPER.

MIGHT GET MORE PEOPLE RIDING THE BUS.

I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF RIDING THE BUS A BUNCH MORE THE LAST SORT OF YEAR OR TWO.

AND, YEAH, THERE'S NOT USUALLY A TON OF PEOPLE ON THERE, SO GETTING MORE PEOPLE ON THERE, WOULD BE AWESOME.

ALSO, THE AFFORDABILITY POINT, PARTICULARLY FOR THOSE WITH FEWER MEANS WHO DEPEND ON TRANSIT, SO SUPPORTIVE FOR THOSE REASONS, ALTHOUGH I DO APPRECIATE THE WORK RELATED TO THIS THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY FOR STAFF.

IT SEEMS LIKE A SMALL DIFFERENCE TO ME, AND WE'VE CUT OR RELEASED A LOT OF OTHER THINGS.

YEAH. FOR OTHER PROJECTS.

SO I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT.

THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR COCHRANE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.

I THINK AGAIN IT'S ANOTHER OF THOSE CHICKEN BEFORE THE EGG SITUATIONS.

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I KNOW YOU'RE THE TRANSPO GUY.

THIS IS A REALLY.

BUT THIS IS A REALLY INTERESTING, CONSIDERATION.

BUT THERE IS GOING TO BE A FAIR CONSIDERATION REVIEW THIS YEAR WHICH WAS ALREADY BROUGHT UP THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATION.

I WOULD PREFER TO ACTUALLY SEE THAT DONE FIRST BEFORE GOING FORWARD WITH ANY OTHER.

MORE DECISIONS AT THIS TIME JUST FOR ALLOWING THEM TO DO SOME WORK UPON THIS.

BECAUSE IF WE DO GO FORWARD WITH THIS, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S GOING TO BE I DON'T THINK WE WOULD GET AN ACCURATE, PROJECTION OF THE LOSS OF REVENUE FOR ONE PLUS, AGAIN, THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE WORK DONE ON THIS.

BUT ALSO I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION AT THIS TIME.

BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT FORWARD.

THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR MCGURK.

YES. WELL, I, I THINK TRANSIT SHOULD BE FREE, BUT, I, I THINK THAT CITED LAST YEAR WAS THE ESTIMATE OF 11% OF, RESIDENTS ANNUAL INCOME GOES OR EXPENDITURES, GOES TOWARDS TRANSPORTATION.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE GAS AND VEHICLES ARE EXPENSIVE.

IT MAKES SENSE THAT IF WE WANT TO SUPPORT, A LOWER COST OF LIVING IN OUR COMMUNITY, WE SHOULD BE ENCOURAGING RESIDENTS TO USE, OUR SERVICES, WHICH WILL ACTUALLY ALLOW THAT.

I THINK MAYBE I'LL HAVE TO MAKE MY DECISION WHEN WE VOTE.

BUT I'M I AM COGNIZANT OF TAKING STAFF TIME AND ALSO NOT HAVING A SUFFICIENT DATA SET FROM THIS CHANGE. IF WE'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD AND RESTRUCTURE FEES FOR THE TRANSPORTATION SERVICES ANYWAY.

NEXT, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IT THIS YEAR AND THEN IMPLEMENT IT NEXT FISCAL.

I'M WONDERING ACTUALLY IF COUNCILLOR HENDRICKSEN HAS ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT KNOWLEDGE, LIKE IF THAT CHANGES, YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON THAT. COUNCIL HENDRICKSEN.

DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT? YES, I KNOW IN MY DAY JOB I HATE IT WHEN I GIVE ADVICE AND PEOPLE DON'T LISTEN TO ME.

SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS PROVIDING THAT CONTEXT.

AND I'LL REMOVE THE MOTION BECAUSE IF THE WORK'S HAPPENING, IT'S HAPPENING IN 2024.

I'M HAPPY TO WAIT FOR THAT DISCUSSION.

I DON'T WANT TO MIX UP THE SYSTEM AND THEN POTENTIALLY GET MIXED UP AGAIN.

SO I KNOW IF IT'S HAPPENING.

WE HAVE CONFIRMATION IT'S HAPPENING IN 2024.

MAKES ME A HAPPY GUY.

SO WE'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND I'LL LEAVE IT WITH THE PROFESSIONALS FOR NOW AND WE'LL COME TO US WHEN IT COMES TO US.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THANK YOU. SORRY TO JUMP IN.

IF IT'S HELPFUL, I CAN GIVE A QUICK THREE 30 SECOND BLURB ON THE STATE OF THE TRANSIT REVIEW, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF COUNCIL'S BEEN UPDATED SO FAR WITH ALL THE CHAOS THAT YOU'VE HAD IN YOUR FIRST TERM.

SO I WAS. YEP.

OKAY. WOULD THAT BE HELPFUL? WE WON'T ASK QUESTIONS. WELL, YEAH.

YEAH OKAY.

WELL I THINK IT'S IT'LL IT'LL HELP ME.

SO, SO WE ARE IMPLEMENTING THE OPTIONS THAT COUNCIL RECOMMENDED AT THE TIME.

SO IT'S OPTION THREE.

WE'RE INTERLINED ROUTES.

THOSE ARE BEING FINALIZED WITH STOPS IN KAM LAKE.

I'LL GET TO THAT IN ONE SECOND.

BUS STOPS ARE ALSO BEING FINALIZED WITH THE INSTALLATION AND PLAN FOR SUMMER 2024, SO WE'RE A LITTLE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE.

WE'RE ANTICIPATING A JULY START.

STILL GOING TO QUALIFY THAT WITH A LOT OF THINGS, THAT MAY OCCUR.

WE'RE ALSO INCREASING PROVIDING SERVICE TO TAYLOR ROAD.

WE ARE CURRENTLY BUILDING THE BUS PULL OUTS.

SO THERE'LL BE, SERVICE TO TAYLOR ROAD THAT DIDN'T EXIST BEFORE.

ON OPTION FIVE, THAT THE GROUPING OF THE ATS TRIPS.

I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE COMPLICATED, BUT, WE ARE STILL REVIEWING OPTIONS FOR THAT WITH THE SERVICE PROVIDER AND THE SCHEDULING, THERE'S VERY SPECIFIC LIMITING WINDOW.

SO WE ARE LOOKING AT ALL OPTIONS.

AND THEN IT'S JUST, THE OTHER THINGS ARE A LITTLE BIT OF REBRANDING NEW SCHEDULES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO WE'RE ALMOST THERE.

AND I JUST WANTED TO AGAIN, GIVE COUNCIL A QUICK UPDATE BECAUSE THIS WAS A 2019 MOTION AND IT'S TAKEN US SOME TIME, BUT WE'LL BE PRETTY HAPPY TO GET THIS OUT THE DOOR IN 2024.

AND WITH THE ALSO THE INCLUSION OF ALL LOW FLOOR BUSSES.

WITH THE CAVEAT THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE WORK PLAN, THAT COUNCIL WILL HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PRIORITIZE ONE OVER THE OTHER IF WE WANT STUFF TO GET DONE AND NOT KEEP PILE, PILE, PILE. SO, COUNCILLOR FEQUET YOU HAD SOMETHING ON PUBLIC TRANSIT? THANKS. YEAH, YOU YOU MIGHT HAVE ALREADY INTENTIONALLY ANSWERED THIS, BUT I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT YACHTS, AND I KNOW THERE HAD BEEN REQUESTS TO POTENTIALLY GET THAT OUT TO THE AIRPORT, EITHER REGULARLY OR UPON REQUEST, JUST FOR ACCESSIBILITY ISSUES.

AND YOU JUST MENTIONED THERE'S OBVIOUSLY RESTRICTIONS WITH THE OPERATORS.

SO IS THERE ANY MORE YOU CAN TELL US ON THAT IF THAT WILL BE INCLUDED TO SOME DEGREE, IN SOME WAY OR STILL TO BE DETERMINED?

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TRANSIT IS QUITE, IT'S QUITE COMPLICATED.

I'M THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.

I HAVE NO IDEA HOW THE WATER TREATMENT PLAN OPERATES.

I ALSO DON'T KNOW THE INTRICACIES OF ALL THE TRANSIT OPERATIONS, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE'RE, WENDY ALEXANDER, OUR MANAGER OF ENGINEERING, IS CONSTANTLY ON THIS. SHE IS LOOKING AT THOSE OPTIONS THAT YOU JUST SUGGESTED, AND I BELIEVE WE'LL BE BRINGING BACK A FULSOME, CONVERSATION TO COUNCIL JUST TO KEEP YOU IN THE LOOP. AND IT'LL COME IN COMBINATION WITH THE FARE, DISCUSSION THAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT.

GREAT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

TO COUNCILLOR HENDRICKSEN ABOUT FLEETS.

ALL OF FLEETS.

IF WE WANTED TO CHANGE THAT, I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE IN THE FLEET RESERVE IF WE WANTED TO REMOVE AN ITEM FROM OUR FLEET.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT, ANY GUIDANCE ON SO TO REMOVE A VEHICLE AT CITY HALL.

OKAY. COUNCILLOR.

HENDRICKSEN. IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO IT.

AND WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHAT AREA IT IS.

SO WHAT I WANT TO DO IS PROPOSE A MOTION THAT BEFORE PURCHASING ANY NEW VEHICLE OR REPLACING ANY EXISTING VEHICLES ONCE THEY'VE REACHED THEIR END OF LIFE.

FOR USE BY STAFF OPERATING FROM CITY HALL.

ADMIN USE FIRST USE ITS EXISTING YC CARSHARE CO-OP CORPORATE LIFETIME MEMBERSHIP AND SHOW THROUGH USAGE DATA THE NEED FOR AN EXPANDED FLEET.

SO KEEP THE FLEET AS IT IS.

BUT BEFORE DOING ANYTHING NEW FOR STAFF AT BASED OUT OF CITY HALL, WE USE A MEMBERSHIP WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE PAID FOR AND ARE A MEMBER OF.

OKAY. WHAT I'D RECOMMEND IS, A DISCUSSION AT GPC BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE, A FLEET RESERVE, AN UPDATE TO THE FLEET POLICY. SO NOT SOMETHING FOR TONIGHT.

YEAH. ANYTHING FURTHER ON? PUBLIC TRANSIT? SEEING NONE.

NEXT WE HAVE ROADS AND SIDEWALKS.

WE DON'T NEED MORE MONEY FOR SNOW REMOVAL.

SO YEAH, RECOMMENDATION IS JUST TO INCREASE IT BY 150,000.

ANYTHING FURTHER ON ROADS AND SIDEWALKS? COUNCILLOR WARBURTON. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

IS THAT ENOUGH? CONSIDERING THAT OUR ABNORMAL EVENTS APPEAR TO BE COMING NORMAL? DO WE THINK THAT, THAT BUDGET INCREASE IS ENOUGH TO COVER, LIKE, THIS WEEKEND? PROBABLY NEED AN ADDITION TO OUR FLEET.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT IT IS AN ABSOLUTELY WONDROUS BALLET THAT OUR ROADS AND SIDEWALKS CREW DO WHEN THEY NEED TO.

NOTHING LIKE, WATCHING WHAT'S HAPPENED SINCE SATURDAY'S SNOWFALL.

THEY HAVE THE SERVICE LEVEL DOWN TO A FINE ART.

BUT I WILL ASK MR. GREENCORN IF HE'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE.

THANK YOU. SO I MEAN, DATING BACK TO THE NOVEMBER 2022 SNOWFALL, WE DID PROMISE THAT WE WOULD REVIEW TRENDS AND BRING FORWARD INCREASES WHEN WE SAW THEM, AND THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THIS IS TO ANSWER COUNCILLOR WARBURTON DIRECT QUESTION.

I HAVE NO IDEA.

BUT I ALSO DON'T KNOW IF 500,000 WOULD BE ACCURATE.

SO WE REALLY RELY ON THE FOLKS OPERATING THE EQUIPMENT AND OUR SUPERINTENDENT, ROADS AND SIDEWALKS.

JIM MERSEREAU, HE SCOURS THE TOWN DURING THE EVENTS.

I WAS TALKING TO HIM ON THE WEEKEND WHEN EVERYTHING WAS COMING DOWN.

AND, SO THESE NUMBERS ARE BASED ON WHAT HE SEES, COMING AND WHAT HE THINKS HE CAN USE IN THE EXTRA CONTRACTED COSTS.

WE'VE HAD INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS, WHEREAS EVEN IF WE ASKED FOR TWO EQUIPMENT OPERATORS AND TWO NEW GRADERS, WOULD THAT ACCOMMODATE A SNOWFALL THAT WE SAW ON THE WEEKEND? HARD TO SAY. PROBABLY NOT.

SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO BALANCE, REASONABLE INCREASES WITH REASONABLE EVENTS, SO TO SPEAK.

BUT WE'RE LIKE, AGAIN, WE'LL MONITOR THIS YEAR AND WE'LL BRING THIS BACK NEXT YEAR IF WE CONTINUE TO SEE THAT TREND WILL INCREASE THE BUDGET.

BUT AT THIS TIME, THIS IS WHAT WE FEEL IS IS ADEQUATE FOR THIS COMING YEAR.

AWESOME. THANK YOU. YEAH, TWO THINGS I HEAR ABOUT CONSTANTLY IS TAXES AND SNOW.

SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO MOVE THE SNOW BETTER.

THANKS. AND THEN WHEN WE HAVE LITTLE SNOW, PEOPLE COMPLAIN THAT WE HAVE TOO MUCH FLEET.

SO IT'S, THERE'S ALWAYS SOME WAY TO SPIN IT.

ANYTHING FURTHER ON ROADS AND SIDEWALKS? SEEING NONE.

SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT FUNDS.

A BIG KUDOS FOR BEING IN THE BLACK THE FIRST TIME DURING MY TIME ON COUNCIL.

SO, KUDOS TO STAFF ON THE THE IMPROVEMENTS OUT THERE.

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SEEING NONE.

NEXT WE HAVE THE WATER AND SEWER FUND.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? COUNCILLOR WARBURTON. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

YES. SO, READING THE USER CHARGES FOR TRUCK WATER 1.574 AND THEN ON THE NEXT PAGE READING THE GENERAL SERVICES, WHICH THE NOTE SAYS IS 2.623 IS THE GENERAL SERVICES NUMBER IS THAT IT SAYS WATER DELIVERY AND SEWAGE PUMP OUT CONTRACTORS COST.

IS THAT ALL IT COVERS THAT NUMBER 2.623.

YEAH. MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

I'LL ASK MR. GREENCORN IF HE'D LIKE TO TAKE A STAB AT THIS ONE.

TYPICALLY, YES. COULD YOU REPEAT THE FIRST NUMBER THAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT? SORRY, I'M TRYING TO COMPARE TWO NUMBERS HERE.

ESSENTIALLY, TRUCKED WATER IS BUDGETED AT 1.574, AND THEN THE CONTRACTED SERVICES FOR WATER AND SEWER ARE BUDGETED AT 2.623.

I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT THAT IS AN ACCURATE ASSUMPTION.

YEAH. ME NEITHER. ON PAGE 95.

YEAH, CHUCK WATERS ON 95.

AND THE SECOND NUMBER I QUOTE IS ON PAGE 96 IN THE BACK.

YEAH. I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT I'M COMPARING TWO THINGS THAT ARE THE SAME.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT THE 11574 NUMBER.

SORRY. BUT THAT'S A REVENUE NUMBER.

YEAH. AND THAT'S REVENUE JUST FROM TRUCK, WATER AND SEWER SERVICE.

I GUESS THAT'S FROM ALL TRUCK SERVICES.

CORRECT. OKAY.

THANKS. SO THAT'S THE REVENUE THAT'S BROUGHT IN FROM TRUCKS AND THE GENERAL SERVICES BUDGET.

ON THE NEXT PAGE UNDER IS PRETTY MUCH ALL OF TRUCK SERVICES, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

SO THERE'S NOT ENOUGH REVENUE TO PAY.

LIKE THAT'S THE SUBSIDIZATION OF PIPED OVER TRUCKED.

THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION.

SO THANK YOU. SO WE ARE SUBSIDIZING TRUCK SERVICES TO THE TUNE OF OVER A MILLION AND A HALF BUCKS.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THAT IS CORRECT.

THANK YOU. ANYTHING FURTHER ON THE WATER AND SEWER FUND, COUNCILOR PAYNE? THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, TO KEEP UP WITH COUNCILOR KANGAS YEARLY QUESTION.

HOW ARE WE DOING WITH THE BACKLOG OF THE WATER BREAKS IN THE SYSTEM? YOU'RE JUST AHEAD.

YOU'RE PAGE 99.

WE'LL GET TO THAT QUESTION.

OKAY. YOU HOLD THAT.

YEAH, WE'LL HOLD THAT.

GET READY. IT'S COMING.

YEAH. ANYTHING FURTHER ON THE WATER AND SEWER FUND? SEEING NONE.

WE'LL COME BACK TO LAND DEVELOPMENT FUNDS.

SO COUNCILLOR PAYNE, WE JUST WE HEARD YOUR QUESTION.

SO, MS. BASSI-KELLETT, ANY UPDATE ON, THE NUMBER OF BREAKS VERSUS, OUTSTANDING OR, I GUESS NOT, BREAKS.

OUTSTANDING. JUST THE OUTSTANDING.

IT'S LIKE A TRIP DOWN MEMORY LANE.

LOOK AT YOU. I KNOW THAT OUR WATER SEWER CREW ARE THE BUSIEST CREW, AND THEY DESERVE EVERY BIT OF KUDOS THAT THEY DO, BECAUSE THE WORK THEY DO AT -35 AND DEALING WITH WATER BREAKS AND SEWER BREAKS ARE TOUGH.

I DO RECALL A DISCUSSION A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHERE THERE WAS AN OFFER FROM COUNCIL TO ADD TO THE LEAK DETECTION SUPPORT, AND FRANKLY, THAT'S A GREAT THING.

BUT THEN WE ALSO NEED THE COINCIDING EQUIPMENT TO DEAL WITH AND FIX ALL THE LEAKS.

SO IT'S A PRETTY COMPLICATED SYSTEM WE RUN.

I'LL ASK MR. GREENCORN TO SPEAK TO WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON.

I WOULD SAY WE MAINTAIN A REASONABLE BACKLOG.

THERE ARE SOME ON THE ON THE LIST THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ISOLATE AND CONTAIN, AND THEY DON'T THEY DON'T CAUSE A PROBLEM.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, I BELIEVE RANGE LAKES SCHOOL IS STILL BEING, SLIGHTLY BLED WATER AT VARIOUS TIMES OF THE YEAR.

I'LL HAVE TO GET BACK ON THAT ONE SPECIFICALLY, BUT I REMEMBER THAT ONE SITTING FOR A LONG TIME.

BUT GENERALLY WE WE FIX ANYWHERE BETWEEN 70 AND 100 BREAKS A YEAR.

THIS YEAR SEEMS TO BE, SIMILAR NUMBER OF BREAKS, BUT THEY'RE GETTING HARD TO FIND, AND THERE'S VARIOUS REASONS FOR THAT.

IT'S ALL BASED ON SOME SOUND EQUIPMENT.

SOMETIMES THERE'S INTERFERENCE, SOMETIMES IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE AREA OF TOWN AND WHAT'S GOING ON.

BUT I WOULD SAY WE WERE KEEPING UP.

WE DID HAVE A SIGNIFICANT MAIN BREAK THIS YEAR.

I'M NOT SURE IF YOU PAID ATTENTION TO THE THE NEWS IN THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, BUT, IT TOOK US QUITE A WHILE TO LOCK THAT ONE DOWN, AND WE DID HAVE TO INTERRUPT SERVICE FOR ONLY

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SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE DO MAINTAIN A BACKLOG THAT HAPPENS EVERY YEAR, BUT WE MANAGE IT WITH WHAT WE HAVE.

AND, WE FEEL THAT WE'RE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE ON THIS ON THIS SIDE OF THINGS.

THAT'S AWESOME. THANK YOU.

AND THANK YOU TO THE CREW.

THANK YOU.

ANYTHING FURTHER ON THE SURGE SERVICE CONNECTION FAILURE ASSISTANCE FUND? SEEING NONE.

NEXT WE GO TO, RESERVES, I BELIEVE IS AFTER CAPITAL.

AFTER CAPITAL RESERVE, PAGE 113.

ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE? NOPE. SEEING NONE ON THE RESERVES.

ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.

SORRY. YEAH, I WAS JUST ON PAGE 114.

SO THIS IS JUST ABOUT THE THE LAND FUND AND THE REVITALIZATION RESERVE.

JUST SOME CLARITY.

SO IF COUNCIL DIRECTED ADMINISTRATION TO TRANSFER 2.275 MILLION TO THE LAND FUND TO FACILITATE THE SALE OF DOWNTOWN PROPERTIES, SHOULD THE REVITALIZATION RESERVE NOT BE AT ZERO, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE PROPERTY IS SOLD? MS. BASSI-KELLETT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

AND IN A TWIST OF FATE, WE WILL ASK MISS THISTLE TO ANSWER THIS ONE.

THE TITLE HASN'T TRANSFERRED YET, SO THE PURCHASE IS NOT OFFICIAL IN A LEGAL SENSE, SO I BELIEVE THAT'S WHY THE MONEY HASN'T TRANSFERRED IN 2023 FOR 2024.

WHEN YOU SEE THIS, YOU WILL SEE THAT HAS MOVED OUT BECAUSE THE TRANSFER WILL HAVE BEEN REGISTERED AND THE TITLE WOULD HAVE PASSED FROM THE CITY.

AND THEN WOULD THERE STILL BE MONEY IN THE REVITALIZATION RESERVE FOR THE 5050 LOT? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

MISS VASS.

LOOK AT THIS. WE'RE PLAYING BINGO WITH.

THANK YOU. YES, THE.

IN THE ACCOUNTING WORLD, SIMILAR TO THE LEGAL WORLD, WE DO NOT TRANSFER TO COVER OFF THE COST OF THE LOTS UNTIL THE LEGAL TRANSFER HAS OCCURRED. SO WHEN THE LOT THAT'S CURRENTLY WAITING, THAT'S ABOUT AN $800,000 TRANSFER, I BELIEVE.

AND THEN THE 5050 LOT IS STILL UP FOR SALE.

SO WHEN THAT GOES, THEN IF THE COUNCIL MOTION IS STILL VALID, LIKE AS COUNCIL HASN'T TAKEN IT OFF THE TABLE, THEN THE RESERVE WILL BE REDUCED AT THAT POINT. OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON RESERVES? COUNCILLOR COCHRANE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.

JUST KIND OF CAME TO MY MIND.

I'M CURIOUS WHAT THE SAMUEL COLEY LIBRARY DONATION RESERVE.

AS WE WERE DISCUSSING RIMP YESTERDAY, I WAS WONDERING IF WE DO AN ASSESSMENT FOR THAT PROPERTY WITH THE BASIS OF IT POSSIBLY BECOMING A LIBRARY.

WOULD WE BE ABLE TO TAKE THE RESERVE TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR SAID PROJECT? THANK YOU, MISS BESSIE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

A REALLY GREAT ONE.

AND YES, ABSOLUTELY.

THERE ARE SOME PARAMETERS AROUND THIS, WONDERFUL GIFT THAT WAS PROVIDED TO THE CITY AND THE PARAMETERS AROUND THE SAMUEL COLEY FUNDERS THAT THEY ARE USED FOR CAPITAL.

SO HYPOTHETICALLY, IF THAT WERE TO BE WHAT THE FUTURE OF RIMP WOULD BE, THERE WOULD BE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO.

I'LL ASK MR. WHITE IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'D JUST ADD THAT THIS DONATION HAS BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, AND WE DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO USE IT WHEN WE DID THE LIBRARY UPGRADES, WHATEVER THAT WAS MAYBE TEN YEARS AGO.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE RESERVES OR MOTIONS?SEEING NONE.

NEXT, WE HAVE LONG TERM DEBT.

ANY QUESTIONS ON LONG TERM DEBT? SEEING NONE ON LONG TERM DEBT.

COUNCILLOR FEQUET. THANKS, MADAM CHAIR.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS. IF ADMIN COULD JUST ELABORATE ON ANY OF THESE AGREEMENTS THAT WILL BE UP BEFORE THE REPAYMENT AND HOW WE PREDICT, INCREASING INTEREST RATES OR CHANGING INTEREST RATES OVER TIME? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. MR. PANDYA, I KNOW YOU'D LIKE ME TO DIRECT IT ELSEWHERE, BUT YOU'RE THE LUCKY RECIPIENT TONIGHT.

SORRY. COULD YOU JUST REPEAT THE QUESTION FOR ME, PLEASE?

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I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF YOU COULD ELABORATE ON THE CITY'S APPROACH TO HOW WE PREDICT CHANGING INTEREST RATES.

YOU KNOW, ONCE THESE CURRENT TERMS OF THESE AGREEMENTS MIGHT BE RENEWED, INTEREST RATES MIGHT CHANGE.

I THINK THEY GET LOCKED IN UNTIL WE GO TO ZERO.

BUT MS. BASSI-KELLETT MAYBE WHAT I CAN DO BEFORE I HAND IT OVER TO MR. PANDYA IS I CAN USE THE EXAMPLE OF THE AQUATIC CENTER.

SO ONCE WE HAD APPROVAL, RATEPAYER, VOTER APPROVAL, FORGIVE ME.

ON THE BORROWING THE $10 MILLION FOR THE AQUATIC CENTER, WE WENT INTO A SERIES OF NEGOTIATIONS THEN WHERE WE SOUGHT TO GET THE BEST RATE.

AND WE WERE REALLY FORTUNATE.

I MEAN, WHILE THAT AMOUNT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE AS LOW AS SOME OF THE PREVIOUS ONES, WE LOCKED IN BEFORE RATES JUMPED, AND WE WERE REALLY PLEASED TO HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO SO ON THE AQUATIC CENTER BORROWING.

SO A LOT OF IT IS WE DO SHOP AROUND, WE DO TRY TO GET THE BEST RATE THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN.

AND AGAIN, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME VOLATILITY.

I THINK WE ALL WATCH BANK OF CANADA TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON, NOT ONLY FOR OUR INTEREST ON, INVESTMENTS, BUT ALSO WHAT OUR INTEREST RATES ARE ON THINGS LIKE MORTGAGES AND OTHER DEBT PAYMENTS. I'LL SEE IF MR. PANDYA HAS ANY OTHER WISDOM HE'D LIKE TO ADD.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

THE ONLY THING I CAN TELL, I'M JUST GOING BY SOME OF THE NOTES THAT I'VE READ SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE IS, WE DON'T NORMALLY GO WITH A NORMAL BORROWING.

WHAT WE WE DO IS SOMETHING WE CALL SWAPS.

SO THESE ARE LIKE 15 YEAR TERM FIXED RATE OF INTEREST.

SO THAT'S KIND OF, GOES TOWARDS A LITTLE BIT A STEP TOWARDS TRY TO STABILIZE THE, THE REPAYMENTS I GUESS.

AND THAT WOULD BE WITH THE INTEREST AS WELL.

AND I KNOW FOR THESE LOANS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, WE DID NEGOTIATE.

I THINK ALMOST EVERYTHING WAS BELOW 5%.

THAT'S I'M GOING BY MEMORY, BUT I THINK IT'S 15 YEARS AT LOWER THAN 5%.

SO THERE'S NOT A LOT YOU CAN DO BECAUSE YOU ARE TRYING TO DEAL WITH THE FUTURE.

AND WHEN WE ALL KNOW INSURANCE COMPANIES AND BANKS MAKE A LOT OF MONEY, THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT.

THERE'S NOT A LOT ROOM TO NEGOTIATE, BUT I THINK WE'VE HAD A VERY GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH TD, SO FAR.

SO WE WILL AGAIN, AS MS. BASSI-KELLETT SAID, WE'LL TRY TO GO BACK AGAIN AND TRY TO TO SEE IF WE CAN THE BEST DEAL OUT THERE AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

IT'S PRETTY DIFFICULT TO ZERO IN ON, BUT, I DON'T KNOW ANY ANY MORE WHAT I COULD TELL OR SAY THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, THAT WE COULD DO TO MITIGATE THE RISING INTEREST RATES.

I HOPE IT DOES, KIND OF ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION.

THANK YOU. YEAH, THAT'S HELPFUL THAT SOME OF THOSE AGREEMENTS ARE FIXED FOR 15 YEARS.

THAT'S COMFORTING.

JUST NOTING THAT THE LAST TWO THERE, THEY GIVE US THE EXPIRY DATE, FOR THE AQUATIC CENTER 2037.

ARE THE FIRST THREE THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT, OR THE FIRST THREE THAT ARE RELATED TO THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT.

ARE THEY ALL GOING TO BE PAID OFF BEFORE THE TERM OF THE LOAN IS EXPIRED, OR NEEDS TO BE RENEWED? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. MR. PANDYA. SORRY, JUST TO CONFIRM.

TO BE PAID OFF BEFORE THE TERM.

YEAH. JUST. THERE WAS NO EXPIRY DATE LISTED HERE ON PAGE 116.

JUST OF THE FIRST THREE GENERAL CAPITAL PROJECTS, ALL RELATED TO THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT.

SO MY ASSUMPTION IS THEY'LL ALL BE PAID OFF BEFORE WE HAVE TO RENEW OR EXTEND THE LOAN.

YEAH. THE WAY THESE SWAPS WORK, WE DO HAVE EXPIRY DATES ON THEM.

IF YOU CHOOSE TO ALLOW US, WE'LL JUST CHECK THE DATES ON THEM.

THANK YOU. MISS VASS, COULD YOU PLEASE CLARIFY? THANK YOU. I'M JUST LOOKING AT OUR 2022 FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.

WE HAVE A WE HAVE A SWAP THAT WILL BE ENDING EXPIRING IN MAY 2023.

THAT'S THIS. YOU'LL SEE THAT COMING OFF ON OUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS THAT ARE COMING UP.

THERE'S ANOTHER ONE EXPIRING IN 2028.

ANOTHER ONE IN AUGUST OF 2028.

THERE'S SEVERAL COMING. THERE'S THREE ACTUALLY COMING UP IN 2028.

AND THEN, THE POOL WILL BE COMING UP IN 2037.

WE ALSO HAVE TWO LOANS THAT WE TOOK OUT FOR OUR, LICS.

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THE LAND IMPROVEMENT CHARGES FOR BOTH NORTHLAND PARK AND THE, A SMALL IMPROVEMENT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT IN NIVEN.

AND SO WHAT, HOW THOSE WORK IS THAT THE CITY DOES THE WORK AHEAD.

AND WE TAKE A LOAN OUT, TO PAY FOR THAT CAPITAL WORK.

AND THEN WE, WE COLLECT BACK FROM THE RESIDENTS OF THOSE AREAS BECAUSE THEY'VE, AGREED TO IT OVER FROM THEIR TAXES IN AN LIC LAND IMPROVEMENT CHARGE.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OKAY, SO THERE'S A TIMING DIFFERENCE ON WHEN WE TOOK THE LOAN OUT BUT AND HOW WE COLLECT IT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE WORK IS DONE AHEAD.

GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

SEEING NOTHING FURTHER ON LONG TERM DEBTS.

TEN YEAR CAPITAL, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS.

IT'S KIND OF THAT LONG RANGE FORECAST.

WITH THAT, WE'VE REACHED THE END.

NO MORE DELAYING.

SO WE WILL, GO BACK TO THE TWO, PARKING LOTS OR THREE.

SORRY THERE WAS THREE PARKING LOTS FOR THE 2024 CAPITAL.

COUNCILLOR HENDRICKSEN. DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER ON THE COMMUNITY ENERGY PLAN? NO, I THINK IS THE QUESTION WAS ASKED AND ANSWERED VERY WELL BY THE DIRECTOR YESTERDAY.

AND WITHOUT THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING HERE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE PROBABLY THAT CAN BE ADDED.

SO I'M FINE, THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER, QUESTIONS OR MOTIONS ON THE COMMUNITY ENERGY PROGRAM? THIS IS JUST TO ADD 100 K IN 2024 TO CONTINUE THAT WORK.

SEEING NONE.

NEXT IS THE NIVEN LAKE TRAIL, WHICH IS A CAPITAL CARRY FORWARD PROJECT. OR WE COULD JUST MOVE TO THE LAND FUND BECAUSE IT'S BASICALLY IN THERE.

SO COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YEAH, I THINK THE QUESTION SO 1.9 MILLION WAS ALLOCATED, I FORGET WHERE MAYBE THIS WAS IN THE THE ANSWERS TO COUNCIL QUESTIONS ONLINE. THE SORT OF ESTIMATE NOW TO COMPLETE THAT WORK IS 500,000.

JUST LOOKING TO CONFIRM THAT THE DIFFERENCE 1.4 MILLION JUST TRANSFERS BACK INTO THE LAND FUND FOR, WHATEVER WORK IS NECESSARY.

YEAH, EXACTLY.

SO 2019 COUNCIL APPROVED ADMINISTRATION DRAWING DOWN FROM THE LAND FUND TO IMPLEMENT THE NIVEN LAKE TRAIL, AS PER THE NIVEN LAKE BYLAW OF 2007.

AND ANYTHING THAT ISN'T REQUIRED GOES BACK TO THE LAND FUND.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THAT'S CORRECT. IT WAS, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS EVER A SILVER LINING TO WHAT 2023 LOOKED LIKE, IT WAS THAT POOF, A FIREBREAK WAS BUILT THAT JUST HAPPENED TO BE WHERE THE NIVEN, RAVINE TRAIL IS.

SO WE'RE VERY, VERY APPRECIATIVE FOR THAT WORK.

IT MAKES GREAT SENSE TO HAVE THAT AS A FIRE BREAK.

AND SO THE WORK THAT WE'LL DO WILL BE MAINTAINING AND UPHOLDING IT AS A FIRE BREAK, BUT WITH A MORE, SATISFACTORY TRAIL WITH ALL OF THE APPURTENANCES THAT WE TYPICALLY PUT ON OUR TRAILS. BUT THE REMAINING AMOUNT OF THAT LAND DEVELOPMENT FUND STAYS IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT FUND FOR OTHER PURPOSES THAT ARE WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT FUND IN THE LAND ADMINISTRATION BYLAW.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.

THANK YOU. AND JUST TO ASSUAGE SOME PUBLIC QUESTIONS.

SO WHEN THAT GOES OUT, IS THERE SOME CONSULTATION WITH NIVEN OR THE FOLKS UP THERE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO GO AND WHERE? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

A LOT OF THE WORK IS IT WOULD BE HARD TO REALLY CONSULT ON A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE.

LOCATION IS DEFINITELY THERE.

IN TERMS OF THE KINDS OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE DO, WE TYPICALLY DO GARBAGE PAILS, WE DO BENCHES.

I WILL ASK MR. WHITE IF HE COULD SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO HOW WE HOW WE PROCEED WHEN WE ARE FINESSING WORK LIKE THIS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO AS MENTIONED, WE'LL BE ADDING, SOME PICNIC BENCHES AND SOME GARBAGE CONTAINERS.

AT THE FAR END, I GUESS ON THE BACK BAY SIDE, THERE WILL BE A LOOKOUT THAT WILL BE ESTABLISHED THERE.

AND THEN THE PLAN ALSO CONTEMPLATES FOR A LITTLE BIT OF EXERCISE EQUIPMENT AT AT THIS END OF IT.

THERE WAS A LOT OF CONSULTATION DONE AT THE OUTSET.

I GUESS WE WOULD UNDERTAKE, SOME WORK TO REMIND, THE RESIDENTS OR PROBABLY THE NEW RESIDENTS BY NOW.

IT'S BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR QUITE SOME TIME AS TO WHAT'S CONTEMPLATED.

AND THEN, PROCEEDING WITH THE WORK.

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

AND THEN ON THE LAND FUND FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS, AS THE WRITE UP NOTES, THERE'S FUNDING FOR LAND ACQUISITION, DEVELOPMENT AND SUBDIVISION PLANS FOR COMMISSIONERS, LAND TRANSFER, INFILL AND DENSIFICATION, INCLUDING THE FIVE PARCELS THAT COUNCIL CONSIDERED LAST YEAR.

PLANNING AND ENGINEERING OF COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL LOTS IN THE CAM LAKE AREA.

ENGINEERING, SURVEYING, DEVELOPMENT COSTS FOR PROPOSED LANDS TO BE PREPARED FOR SALE.

AND. THAT WOULD BE THE BULK OF THE LAND.

THE LAND FUND.

CAPITAL PROJECTS.

COUNCILLOR. WARBURTON. THANK YOU.

ONE MORE QUESTION AND MAYBE CAN'T BE ANSWERED TONIGHT.

I RESPECT THAT, IT SAYS IN NOT IN ORDER OF PRIORITY.

WILL THE WORK PLAN HAVE AN ORDER OF PRIORITY FOR THOSE, AREAS? I BELIEVE THEY'RE TACKLING ALL FIVE AT ONCE, WITH SOME BEING LONGER THAN OTHERS.

BUT. MS. BASSI-KELLETT, THANK YOU.

JUST TO CONFIRM, THAT'S AROUND THE INFILL AND DENSIFICATION.

YEP. SO, OUR RECOLLECTION WAS WHEN THIS WAS DISCUSSED, THERE ARE AREAS THAT WE WILL START, BUT WE MAY END UP HITTING DELAYS FOR REASONS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE WITHIN OUR CONTROL.

IF SO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO STOP AND NOT START WORK ON SUBSEQUENT PROJECTS.

WE WILL SEEK TO MOVE THEM ALL FORWARD CONCURRENTLY, AT THE PACE THAT IS ALLOWED BY THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT EACH OF THESE INFILL PROPERTIES ALLOW.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT, I DON'T THINK YOU COULD USE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES FOR LAND FUND.

NO. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE LAND FUND CAPITAL PROJECTS? SEEING NONE.

SO THAT'D BE A WRAP FOR CAPITAL.

SO WE'LL CIRCLE BACK UP TO O&M, WHICH IS THE PLANNING AND LANDS DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS PAGE 80 OF OUR BINDER HERE.

SO THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DIRECTORATE BUDGET.

ANY QUESTIONS OR MOTIONS? COUNCILLOR HENDRICKSEN.

THANKS, MAYOR ALTY.

JUST A MOTION TO CUT THE ANNUAL $50,000 CONTRIBUTION FOR THE CAPITAL AREA PLANNING COMMITTEE.

UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT COUNCIL DIRECTS ADMINISTRATION TO INCLUDE FUNDING AGAIN.

WE'LL HOLD TWO SECONDS TILL WE GET TO PAGE 82.

YEAH, DIRECTOR, IT'S JUST A LITTLE, LITTLE DULL.

SO SEEING NOTHING THERE, WE WILL MOVE TO PAGE 82, WHICH INSERTS A MOTION.

AND THIS IS TO SO THE AREA, CAPITAL AREA COMMITTEE 50,000 HAS BEEN REMOVED FOR 2024.

MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS TO TO CUT IT FROM ALL FUTURE BUDGETS UNTIL SUCH TIME AS COUNCIL ADDS IT BACK.

AND DO I HAVE A SECONDER FOR THE MOTION? COUNCILOR ARDEN-SMITH.

COUNCILLOR HENDRICKSEN, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO IT? SURE. SHORT AND SWEET.

FOR CONTEXT, THIS MOTION, AS YOU SAID, MAYOR ALTY DOESN'T TOUCH THE 2024, BUT IT TOUCHES IT FOR 2025 AND ONWARD.

SO MY INTENT IS REALLY FOR MY COLLEAGUES.

SO YOU UNDERSTAND, IS I DON'T WANT A FUTURE COUNCIL TO BE STUCK HAVING TO CONSTANTLY BE CUTTING THIS $50,000 IF THERE'S NOT WORK GOING ON IN THE FUTURE, MAYBE MORE THAN 50,000 IS NEEDED. SO LET'S JUST TAKE THIS OUT OF THE BUDGET, TAKE IT OUT OF ADMIN, HAVING TO PUT IT BACK IN EVERY YEAR.

AND LET'S GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

A NEW COUNCIL MAY NOT HAVE THE HISTORY OF OUR CURRENT CITY MANAGER AND OUR MAYOR AND FUTURE YEARS TO BE DOING THIS, SO JUST LEAVE IT TO.

IF WORK IS ARISING, A FUTURE COUNCIL CAN ADD IT IN.

THANKS. THANK YOU.

YEAH. AND THE THE IDEA WAS LIKE WE'LL ADD 50,000 AND THEN THE NGWT WILL FOLLOW AND IT HASN'T REALLY MATERIALIZED.

SO UNTIL WE GET, THAT ON ANYTHING FURTHER COUNCILLOR COCHRANE? THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. JUST A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THE NGWT, HAVE THEY EVER ADDED THE 50,000 IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THIS COMMITTEE? NO. AND, I DON'T THINK THE CITY IS ALSO, WE'VE NEVER HAD TO PAY AS A RESULT OF IT'S ALWAYS BEEN LIKE, YOU PUT SOME WE PUT SOME, NOBODY'S PUTTING ANY.

WELL, I THINK THAT, ANSWERS MY QUESTION AND I WILL DEFINITELY SUPPORT THIS MOTION.

THANK YOU.

UNLESS I'M WRONG, BUT I DON'T THINK.

YEAH. WE HAVEN'T.

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JUST LOOKING AT PAGE 82.

IN THE EXPENDITURES UNDER OTHERS, 150,000 BUCKS.

JUST STILL ON THE MOTION OF, CUTTING.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

SO, SEEING NOTHING FURTHER, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

AND THAT CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

COUNCILLOR FEQUET. THANK YOU.

PAGE 82.

DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES AND BRACKETS THERE.

OH, IT'S PAST MY BEDTIME.

THERE'S $150,000.

I JUST WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK.

I RECOGNIZE WE OBVIOUSLY DON'T HAVE THE DRAFT DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE BYLAW IN FRONT OF US, BUT I'M WONDERING HOPING THAT ADMINISTRATION MIGHT BE ABLE TO COMMENT ON. IS THIS ENOUGH TO COVER SOME OF THE PROPOSED INCENTIVES THAT MIGHT BE COMING FORWARD, RECOGNIZING THAT NOT ALL INCENTIVES ARE FINANCIAL THERE, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WE HAVE WHAT YOU GUYS NEED TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A ROBUST INCENTIVE.

SO JUST WANTED TO SEE IF YOU COULD COMMENT ON THAT NUMBER AND WHETHER THAT WAS FROM BEFORE, OR WHETHER THAT IS ACTUALLY YOUR CURRENT EXPECTATION OR WOULD YOU LIKE MORE.

YEAH. AND IF IT IS ABOUT, A RESERVE ADMINISTRATION CAN COME FORWARD WITH A MOTION AND WE CAN DRAW DOWN A RESERVE.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE RIGHT NOW A BUDGET, BUT IF IT'S LIKE A TAX, WE'D HAVE TO DO IT RIGHT NOW.

BUT RESERVES ARE SEPARATE.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I KNOW THAT COUNSELORS ARE REALLY, REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THE OPTIONS ON THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES.

YOU HAD A LITTLE TASTE OF IT, A LITTLE INTRODUCTION THAT HAPPENED AS A PRESENTATION IN EARLY JANUARY TO GPC.

AND SO THOSE OPTIONS ARE UNDER DEVELOPMENT, AND WE DO EXPECT THEM TO COME FORWARD IN Q1 OF 2024.

THE THE CHALLENGE WITH THIS IS THAT WE HAVE, DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES RIGHT NOW WHERE WE HAVE MADE COMMITMENTS FOR SOME DEVELOPMENTS, AND THEY'RE GOING TO, FULLY USE UP, IF THEY'RE ALL HONORED OVER THE MULTI YEAR TIME FRAME THAT THEY HAVE, THEY WILL USE UP THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

AND SO IN COMING FORWARD WITH OPTIONS FOR DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES, A BIG PART OF THIS IS LOOKING AT IF WE HAD AN ENDLESS SUPPLY OF MONEY WE COULD MAKE SOME REALLY AMAZING INCENTIVES. SO THERE'S SOME CREATIVITY THAT'S COMING FORWARD.

AND THAT COUNCIL WILL SEE THAT SOME REQUIRE MONEY.

IF THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO TRANSFER FROM OTHER FUNDS, WE WILL MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AT THE TIME.

AND AS COUNCILOR FEQUET POINTS OUT, NOT EVERYTHING IS MONETARY.

BUT FRANKLY, WE DO KNOW THAT THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL HAVE BEEN MONETARY IN THE PAST.

SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO BRINGING THOSE FORWARD, WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS ENOUGH MONEY.

HARD TO SAY BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON THE OPTIONS THAT COUNCIL WILL BE, LOOKING AT THROUGH THE MENU OF OPTIONS THAT ARE PROVIDED.

SO, IF WE HAD UNLIMITED RESOURCES, WE COULD DO AMAZING THINGS, BUT SADLY NOT THE CASE.

THANK YOU. ANYTHING? COUNCILLOR. WARBURTON. YEAH.

SO I KNOW THE CURRENT INCENTIVES.

IT MIGHT CHANGE THE NEW INCENTIVE BYLAW.

SO THERE ARE TAX ABATEMENTS.

SO, TAX QUESTION, THE 150 IS IF SOMEONE HAS A TAX ABATEMENT, IS THIS WHERE THAT IS REFLECTED OR IS THAT REFLECTED SOMEWHERE ELSE? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. I'M SO GLAD I'M NOT FACING YOU SO YOU CAN'T SEE MY BAFFLED LOOK.

I WILL ASK MR. PANDA IF HE'S GOT.

OKAY. YES, HE'S.

. I THINK UNDER THE, THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE BYLAW.

IT'S ONLY IF PEOPLE WANT A BULK.

IF THEY WANT TO, THEY WANT ALL FIVE YEARS IN ONE YEAR THAT IT HAS TO COME FROM A RESERVE.

BUT IF IT'S JUST A TAX ABATEMENT, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S CAPTURED AS REVENUE.

BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CAPTURED SOMEWHERE ELSE AS AN EXPENSE.

THAT'S MORE MY QUESTION.

IF IT'S A TAX ABATEMENT THAT WE DON'T COLLECT, IS IT REFLECTED HERE OR SOMEWHERE ELSE OR NOT AT ALL? PERHAPS, WE TAKE IT UNDER ADVISEMENT, AND ADMINISTRATION WILL COME BACK WITH THAT.

YEAH. THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR. MCLENNAN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ON THE SAME SORT OF THEME, IT SAYS THOSE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES ARE TO BE FUNDED BY THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT RESERVE.

JUST CURIOUS ABOUT PROCESS.

DOES THAT MEAN, OUR HANDS ARE SORT OF TIED IN THE INCENTIVES WE OFFER THAT THEY HAVE TO BE DOWNTOWN IF WE WANT TO OFFER CITYWIDE INCENTIVES, WHAT WOULD THE PROCEDURE BE? MS. BASSI-KELLETT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

THAT'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. CURRENTLY, A LOT OF OUR INCENTIVES ARE FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

WE ARE LOOKING, OF COURSE, AT BEING ABLE TO EXPAND THAT BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH INTEREST IN BEING ABLE TO INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPMENT ELSEWHERE.

I'LL ASK MISS THISTLE IF SHE COULD SPEAK TO THIS WEARING HER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HAT.

THANK YOU. AND IN THE ABSENCE OF MISS WHITE.

BUT WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER ON SOME OF THIS.

SO, YEAH, THE SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES ARE STRICTLY FOR THE DOWNTOWN.

AND THE RESERVE IS QUITE SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT IT CAN BE USED FOR.

HOWEVER, THE DOWNTOWN THE BYLAW DOES CREATE SOME SOME THERE ARE SOME DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES, FOR EXAMPLE, RELOCATION OUT TO THE BUSINESS DISTRICT.

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AND YEAH, WITH RESPECT TO THE AMOUNTS, UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT COUNCIL APPROVES AS THE NEW DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE BYLAW, WE'RE HOPING IT'LL BE MORE BROAD, APPLIES THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND, KEY PLACES WHERE WE'D LIKE TO SEE MORE DEVELOPMENT, INCENTIVIZE IT, AND, AND THEN THAT'LL EQUATE TO HOW MUCH MONEY WE NEED OR DON'T NEED.

SO THANK YOU.

OKAY. BUT SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE NOT RESTRICTED IN IN WHAT? INCENTIVES? BECAUSE THIS MONEY IS JUST FOR BULK INCENTIVES IN THE DOWNTOWN.

IF WE WANTED TO DO BULK INCENTIVES IN OTHER PLACES IN THE CITY, WE WE COULD DO THAT WITHIN THIS BUDGET.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT. I'M GOING TO ASK MISS THISTLE IF SHE'D LIKE TO WEIGH IN ON THIS ONE.

THANK YOU.

THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT RESERVE IS SPECIFICALLY FOR DOWNTOWN.

HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE BYLAW THAT DOES CONTAIN INCENTIVES SUCH AS? SUCH AS THE TAX ABATEMENT.

THAT DID APPLY FOR RELOCATION OF BUSINESSES OUT TO, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ENGEL OR BUSINESS DISTRICT, SO SPECIFIC TO THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT RESERVE. IF WE WANT TO FUND DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES USING THAT RESERVE, THEN THAT RESERVE DOES RESTRICT WHAT THEY CAN BE USED FOR.

HOWEVER, WE'VE, LIKE I SAID IN THE DOWNTOWN IN THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE BYLAW, THAT'S A BIT MORE BROAD, BUT THERE ARE SPECIFIC INCENTIVES THAT HAVE BEEN FUNDED OUT OF THE RESERVE THAT WERE RELATED SOLELY TO THE DOWNTOWN.

HOPEFULLY THAT'S CLEAR.

AND I COULD ADD THAT WHEN THE BYLAW COMES FORWARD, THE NEW BYLAW COMES FORWARD.

IT'LL BE OPEN FOR DEBATE ABOUT WHAT INCENTIVES, WHICH LOCATIONS, HOW IT'S FUNDED.

SO THAT WILL BE DETERMINED IN THE UPCOMING MONTHS.

OKAY. SO MY MY INTERPRETATION IS WE WE WILL NOT HAVE RESTRICTIONS ON WHAT INCENTIVES WE CAN OFFER BASED ON THIS BUDGET, THAT THIS IS FROM THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT RESERVE.

WE WON'T HAVE RESTRICTIONS IN TERMS OF WHAT WE CAN OFFER.

I THINK THE QUESTION, THOUGH, WOULD HAVE TO BE THE ONE THAT MR. PANDYA IS LOOKING INTO, BECAUSE IF ANYTHING OUTSIDE THE DOWNTOWN IS A TAX ABATEMENT.

IT'S AND IT'S ONLY AND THEY'RE ONLY LOOKING TO.

WELL, THIS IS AGAIN DEPENDING ON HOW WE IF IT WAS THE CURRENT BYLAW, WE ALLOW YOU TO ACCUMULATE ALL FIVE.

BUT IT HAS TO BE FUNDED BY A RESERVE.

BUT IF YOU TAKE YEAR BY YEAR, IT'S JUST A TAX ABATEMENT.

BUT THE QUESTION OF DOES THAT SHOW UP IN OUR BUDGET AS LIKE A, A LOST REVENUE? OR IS IT JUST THAT OUR REVENUES ARE, ARE LOWER IS THE QUESTION THAT'S BEING LOOKED INTO RIGHT NOW.

SO IF WE WANTED, DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE THAT'S OUTSIDE THE DOWNTOWN, IT COULD BE A TAX ABATEMENT, AND WHICH WOULDN'T REQUIRE RESERVE FUNDING.

MISS BASSI-KELLETT ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD? THAT SUMS IT UP BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME OTHER OPPORTUNITIES OTHER THAN THE FUNDS THAT ARE HAVE BEEN PUT TOGETHER FROM THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT RESERVE.

THANK YOU. SO WE COULD OFFER TAX ABATEMENTS.

WE MAY BE RESTRICTED IN OFFERING BULK FIVE YEAR, UPFRONT ABATEMENTS OUTSIDE OF DOWNTOWN BECAUSE THEY WOULD NEED TO COME FROM A RESERVE.

IT CAN'T COME FROM DOWNTOWN RESERVE, IT CAN'T COME FROM THE LAND FUND.

SO WE MAY BE RESTRICTED.

IN THAT PARTICULAR INSTANCE.

WE WILL BE, YES.

THEN WE WOULD NEED ANOTHER SOURCE OF REVENUE.

AND WHETHER THAT REVENUE SOURCE IS.

A GRANT FROM ANOTHER ORDER OF GOVERNMENT OR TAXES.

THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S EXPLORED LATER.

BUT THE WAY THAT OUR OUR RESERVE FUNDS ARE CURRENTLY OPERATED AND THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE BYLAW IS CURRENTLY DRAFTED.

YEAH. OKAY.

I THINK I'M CLEAR. THANKS FOR THAT.

AND THEN ONE MORE QUESTION.

THE TWO ADDITIONAL PLANNER POSITIONS, WILL THAT INCREASE OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE OR SIMPLY CATCH UP, MAINTAIN, WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO CURRENTLY. MISS BASSI-KELLETT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I LOVE THIS THEME THAT COUNCILOR MCLENNAN IS, CONTINUING ON.

THAT'S REALLY GREAT.

WHAT WE'RE REALLY AIMING TO DO WITH THE TWO PLANNER POSITIONS IS MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ENTRY LEVEL PLANNERS WHO CAN HIT THE GROUND RUNNING, REALLY GET UP TO SPEED ON THINGS LIKE DECKS AND FENCES.

BUT THEN WE CAN ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO SOME OF THE WORK, THE POLICY WORK THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE LONG TERM.

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IT DOES INCLUDE SOME OF THE WORK AROUND THINGS LIKE WORK CAMPS.

WE'VE GOT LEAR LAND ADMINISTRATION BYLAW THAT NEEDS THE OVERHAUL THAT WE ARE SO LONGING FOR.

SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PIECES LIKE THAT THAT WILL BE EXPEDITED BECAUSE THE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT THAT'S ABLE TO COME.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

BEFORE WE GO FOR A SECOND ROUND, ANY FURTHER ON FIRST ROUND.

COUNCILLOR WARBURTON. THANK YOU.

JUST A BIT MORE CLARITY ON MY QUESTION.

SO IF FOR SOMETHING LIKE THE BLANKET BUILDING CAME ONLINE AND THERE TAX ABATEMENT IS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OVER FIVE YEARS, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW LATER, HOW I WOULD KNOW THAT. SO LIKE THE IMPACT OF THOSE ABATEMENTS, RIGHT.

BECAUSE IT'S LESS REVENUE.

I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT.

SO IT'S, GOING INTO BUDGET MAYBE NEXT YEAR OR WHATEVER IS LIKE WE'VE GIVEN OUT $500,000 IN TAX ABATEMENTS.

THAT'S HELPFUL BECAUSE THAT'S REVENUE WE DIDN'T LOSE ON PURPOSE.

LIKE, I DIDN'T GET ON PURPOSE.

SO THAT'S CLEAR OR NOT.

GOTCHA. YEAH.

AND THEN IN THAT CASE, IT WOULD BE IT WOULD SHOW UP IN THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT RESERVE, BECAUSE IF THEY TOOK IT ALL AT ONCE, THEN IT WOULD BE A DRAWDOWN FROM THE DOWNTOWN.

BUT IF IT WAS AN INDIVIDUAL, DULY NOTED.

AND FOR EXAMPLE, THE YWCA BUILDING HAS, YEAH, IT WAS A 450,000 OVER FIVE YEARS CONTRIBUTION FROM THE CITY FOR THAT. SO IT IS, AND I WILL PASS THE CHAIR TO COUNCILLOR COCHRANE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOUR MAYOR, I RECOGNIZE YOU.

WHY THANK YOU.

IT'S JUST KIND OF A LITTLE ONE, BUT THE HERITAGE COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, THE EXPENSES AND THE OFFICE OVERHEAD HAVE GONE DOWN OVER THE YEARS.

SO I JUST LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REDUCE IT TO 25,000.

IT'S CURRENTLY 35,179.

THE HERITAGE COMMITTEE'S USES THIS FUNDING FOR GRANTS, BUT WE GENERALLY DON'T GET CLOSE TO THAT FULL AMOUNT.

IT'S REALLY JUST KIND OF SHAVING OFF THAT OFFICE OVERHEAD AND EXPENSES.

SO IF THERE'S A SECONDER, THAT'D BE GREAT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, MADAM MAYOR.

DO I HAVE A SECOND OR TWO? THE MOTION.

THANK YOU. COUNCILOR ARDEN-SMITH, ANY QUESTIONS TO THE MOTION? OKAY. WELL, AS A FORMER CHAIR AND MEMBER OF THAT COMMITTEE, THIS MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME.

EXACTLY THAT. WE'VE NEVER GOTTEN EVEN CLOSE TO THAT.

AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS A NICE WAY TO PAY FOR THE ARCTIC INSPIRATION PRIZE.

KIND OF. ALL RIGHT.

AND WITH THAT, ALL IN FAVOR.

AND THAT'S UNANIMOUS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. I WILL PASS THE CHAIR BACK TO THE MAYOR.

THANK YOU.

ANYTHING FURTHER ON THE PLANNING AND ENVIRONMENT BUDGET? SEEING NONE.

NEXT WE HAVE LANDS AND BUILDING SERVICES.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.

YEAH, JUST ABOUT THE NOTE ABOUT THE ALLOCATION.

25,000 FOR CONSULTANT FEE, REGULATIONS RELATED TO TRADITIONAL STRUCTURES IN THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE.

WHAT HAPPENS? SO, UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE SORT OF UNREGULATED AT THIS POINT, WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEONE WANTED TO ERECT A TRADITIONAL STRUCTURE AND AND HAVE WE DO WE KNOW IF THERE'S ANY BEST PRACTICES OUT THERE.

HAVE WE TALKED TO.

[INAUDIBLE] NORTH SLAVE METIS LINES.

ANYONE LIKE THAT? MS. BASSI-KELLETT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

WE WANT TO BE VERY, VERY RESPECTFUL OF ANY TRADITIONAL, STRUCTURES THAT MAY BE PUT UP BY INDIGENOUS PEOPLE IN THE AREA OF YELLOWKNIFE.

WE DO WANT TO MAKE SURE AS WELL THAT SAFETY IS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.

SO, WALTON FRAMES, TEEPEE FRAMES, THINGS LIKE THAT.

YOU KNOW WHAT? WE DON'T SEE THAT ANY OF THIS IS COVERED IN NATIONAL BUILDING CODE, AND THAT'S APPROPRIATE BY OUR MEANS OF DOING THINGS.

WE JUST WANT TO FIND THAT RIGHT BALANCE BETWEEN BEING VERY RESPECTFUL AND NOT TRYING TO, OVERLY REGULATE OR, YOU KNOW, CREATE A WHOLE LOT OF RED TAPE FOR A LOT OF TRADITIONAL ACTIVITIES, BUT ALSO MAKE SURE THAT IF STRUCTURES ARE PUT UP, THAT THEY ARE SAFE FOR PEOPLE.

SO THERE IS WORK UNDERWAY RIGHT NOW TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

WE'D LOVE TO GET A CONSULTANT THAT COULD HELP US WITH THAT.

IT'S GOING TO BE A UNIQUE SKILL SET.

BUT WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD AND HOPING THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO THAT WORK IN 2024.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND, JUST SEARCHING FOR THE ANSWER, I THINK I ASKED SOMETHING ABOUT THIS MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

DO WE FEEL LIKE THIS WORK IS ACHIEVABLE IN 2024? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

WE WE ASPIRE, BUT THEN AGAIN, IF WE ARE BEING REALISTIC AND KNOWING EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S ON OUR PLATE, IT, MAY BE SOMETHING THAT IS MORE ASPIRATIONAL THAN ACTUALLY ACHIEVABLE. THANK YOU.

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SURE THING.

YEAH, I'D MOVE TO, REMOVE THE $25,000 FOR THE CONSULTANT, FOR DEFINING AND REGULATING TRADITIONAL STRUCTURES IN THE CITY.

THANK YOU.

SECONDED BY COUNCILOR WARBURTON, COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.

DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THE MOTION? YEAH. JUST, KEEPING WITH THE THEME OF, GIVING OUR STAFF A WORK PLAN THAT'S ACHIEVABLE AND, YEAH.

NOT PILING ON. THANK YOU.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

ANY COMMENT ON THE ADVISABILITY OF THE MOTION? WE WOULD LOVE TO GET EVERYTHING DONE AT ONCE.

FRANKLY, WHETHER OR NOT THIS WILL BE ACHIEVABLE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S GOING ON IN TERMS OF WHAT WE HOPE TO HEAR ON HOUSING ACCESSIBILITY FUND, ON OTHER PROJECTS. THIS, AS I SAID, THIS MAY BE ASPIRATIONAL.

WE STILL WANT TO WORK WITH, STAKEHOLDERS THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS AND FIND A PATH FORWARD THAT MIGHT BE MORE OF A COLLABORATION.

SO IT COULD BE A LONGER TERM PROJECT THAT TAKES QUITE A BIT OF WORK.

SO AT THIS POINT WE ARE ADMINISTRATION IS OKAY, AND WE ARE UNDERSTANDING AND SUPPORTIVE OF WHERE THIS MOTION COMES FROM.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR WARBURTON. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

HE BEAT ME TO THE PUNCH HERE.

SO, A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

HAS THIS BEEN YOU SAID PUBLIC SAFETY? HAS THIS BEEN AN ISSUE, LIKE, SPECIFICALLY, OR IS THIS SOMETHING WE'RE KIND OF ANTICIPATING AS AN ISSUE? SO TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF IT? MS. BASSI-KELLETT I WOULD REALLY PREFER THAT OUR DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT COULD SPEAK TO THIS ONE.

BUT IF I RECALL, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF PLACES WHERE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, STRUCTURES THAT WERE PUT UP THAT WERE WELCOMING THE PUBLIC IN WERE SAFE.

SO IT WAS SOMETHING THAT OUR STAFF HAD, NOTED AND WERE CONCERNED ABOUT AND WANTED TO BE PROACTIVE IN BEING SUPPORTIVE, ENSURING SAFETY OF PEOPLE IN PUBLIC SPACES, BUT ALSO NOT TRYING TO INTERFERE WITH TRADITIONAL USES.

SO, SOMETHING THAT'S MORE COME FROM OUR OWN STAFF.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

THANKS. YEAH. OBVIOUS FOR THIS MOTION.

I AM, NOT FOR REGULATING SOMETHING THAT I DON'T, FRANKLY, THINK IS A PROBLEM.

THANKS. THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR MCGURK. I'M JUST WONDERING IF, ADMINISTRATION IS INTENDING TO STILL OR FEELS THE WORK SHOULD STILL BE DONE, IF IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE FOR US TO, DEFER IT TO THE 2025 MS. BASSI-KELLETT ADVISABILITY ON THE DEFERRAL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT OPTION.

WE BELIEVE THAT SOMETHING THAT IS IMPORTANT TO DO, WE'RE NOT SEEKING TO INSERT OURSELVES WHERE WE DON'T NEED TO BE, BUT BECAUSE THERE ARE, CIRCUMSTANCES AROUND TOWN WHERE THERE ARE, STRUCTURES THAT ARE ACCESSED REGULARLY BY THE PUBLIC.

WE DO SEE THAT THERE'S A STRUCTURAL SAFETY COMPONENT.

SO DEFERRING IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD SUPPORT.

AND IF COUNCIL WERE TO SAY WE DO NOT OCCUPY THE FIELD, WE WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE WOULD SUPPORT DEFERRING.

THANK YOU. I WOULD SUPPORT DEFERRING THE MOTION OR JUST.

YEAH, DEFERRING THE FUNDING OVER STRIKING IT.

COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.

DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE ON THE DEFERRAL OR A CUT? NO PARTICULAR PREFERENCE.

SO I THINK I WOULD DEFER TO ADMIN, AND WE COULD DEFER AND HAVE THIS CONVERSATION EITHER THROUGHOUT THE YEAR OR NEXT YEAR DURING BUDGET, HOPEFULLY WHEN OUR DIRECTORS HERE.

OKAY. ANY OTHER SO THE MOTION WOULD BE TO DEFER THIS ONE TIME ALLOCATION OF 25,000 TO 2025.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YEAH, SIX ONE, HALF A DOZEN THE OTHER.

TIME FLIES WHEN YOU'RE HAVING FUN.

SO WE, IT'D BE GREAT TO DO THIS YEAR, BUT ALSO RECOGNIZE IT PROBABLY COULD HAPPEN NEXT YEAR.

SO I'D BE IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION.

TO THE MOTION TO DEFER.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

AND THAT CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

ANYTHING FURTHER ON LANDS AND BUILDING SERVICES.

SEEING NONE.

NOW WE'VE KIND OF FINISHED IT.

IF FOLKS HAD ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT BUDGET SUMMARY BUDGET POLICIES, KIND OF THAT FRONT END STUFF.

IF THERE ARE.

ANY FURTHER MOTIONS.

I KNOW THERE'S GENERALLY A MOTION ABOUT, ABOUT A TRANSFER OF TAXES TO CAPITAL, BUT, THAT ONE, WE GENERALLY WAIT TILL WE'VE GOT SOME FIRM NUMBERS WHICH WE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE TONIGHT.

THE OTHER OPTION FOR CONSIDERATION IS ADMINISTRATION.

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IF COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THAT TONIGHT, THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY.

THERE'S ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY TO DIRECT ADMINISTRATION TO CREATE AN EMERGING ISSUES RESERVE FUND.

IT WOULD BE BROUGHT FORWARD AT A GPC WITH AN UPDATE TO THE FINANCIAL ADMINISTRATION BYLAW.

AND AT THAT TIME, THERE CAN ALSO BE A RECOMMENDATION TO DRAW DOWN X DOLLARS FROM THE GENERAL FUND.

I WOULD JUST, CAUTION FOLKS ON THAT OPTION THAT IF WE DRAW DOWN 10 MILLION TONIGHT, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LEFT, WHEN WE GO TO GPC. SO SOMETHING TO TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.

BUT OPENING THE FLOOR UP TO ANY FINAL QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, DISCUSSIONS, MOTIONS, ETC..

COUNCILOR FEQUET.

YEAH, JUST TO GET ON THE FLOOR.

I'LL MOVE THE MOTION FOR ADMINISTRATION TO BRING FORWARD PROPOSED TERMS OF REFERENCE FOR EMERGING ISSUES RESERVE.

AND IF I CAN DO A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT OF, A MEMO OR DIRECTING ADMINISTRATION TO CREATE AN EMERGING ISSUES RESERVE.

YEAH, BUT THE SPIRIT AND INTENT THERE.

SO IT'LL BE BROUGHT FORWARD WITH UPDATES TO THE FINANCIAL ADMINISTRATION BYLAW AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT HAS TO AT THAT TIME.

ANY, DO I HAVE A SECONDER TO THAT MOTION? COUNCILLOR MCGURK ANY DISCUSSION TO THE MOTION COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN OR SORRY, COUNCILLOR MCGURK THEN COUNCILLOR.

MCLENNAN. IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.

YEAH, DEFINITELY NOT OPPOSED.

YEAH, IN PRINCIPLE.

KEEN TO SEE TERMS OF REFERENCE, HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT IS AN EMERGING ISSUE, HOW MUCH CAN BE SPENT ON ONE THING, WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO HIT IN TERMS OF FUNDING FOR THE RESERVE, ALL THOSE SORTS OF TYPES OF QUESTIONS AND NOT OPPOSED TO HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA MONEY IN THE IN THE GENERAL FUND, PENDING THE 2024 WILDFIRE SEASON.

THANK YOU, COUNCILOR PAYNE.

THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WE'RE NOT APPROVING THIS EMERGENCY FUNDING NOW.

WE'RE JUST GETTING SOME TERMS OF REFERENCE.

YES. SO WE'RE PROVIDING DIRECTION TO ADMINISTRATION TO BRING FORWARD, A MEMO ON AN EMERGING ISSUES RESERVE FUND TO GPC FOR DISCUSSION.

OKAY, SO THIS WILL NOT HAVE ANY IMPACT ON TAXES.

IT. NO, NO.

OKAY. OKAY.

IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO TAKE INTO MIND IF WE USE IT UP ALL THE GENERAL FUND TONIGHT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY MONEY LEFT FOR AN EMERGING ISSUES RESERVE.

SO THAT'S LIKE THE CAUTION TO KEEP IN YOUR, WE MIGHT NOT EVEN BE HERE NEXT YEAR.

LET'S LET'S LET'S JUST PARTY.

YEAH, MAN.

OKAY, I SECOND THAT MOTION.

YEAH.

SO TO THE MOTION TO CREATE AN EMERGING ISSUES RESERVE FUND AND BRING FORWARD TO GPC FOR DISCUSSION.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? OKAY. AND THAT CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE FLOOR? QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, DISCUSSION.

OTHERWISE, WE'LL TAKE A LITTLE BREAK AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO, SEE IF ADMINISTRATION HAS NEEDS TIME, I.E.

IT MIGHT BE JUST AN EARLY NIGHT WITH A COME BACK TOMORROW.

OR WE GO JUST FOR A GOOD LONG BREAK.

ANYTHING FURTHER? QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? SEEING NONE.

LET'S TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK WITH THE POSSIBILITY FOR AN EXTENSION OF A BREAK IF NEED BE.

SO COME BACK AT 8:40.

WHAT IS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE? AND WE WILL.

WE JUST NEED A BIT MORE TIME, TO CALCULATE ALL OF THE ALL OF THE MAGIC THAT WE CREATED OVER THE PAST TWO DAYS.

TWO NIGHTS. SO WE'RE GOING TO RECESS, GIVE STAFF THE OPPORTUNITY TO TO DO FRESH, CALCULATIONS, BECAUSE WE PLAYED AROUND WITH, SOME REVENUE STUFF.

SO THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE HARDER THAN JUST A CUT FOR CUT.

SO WITH THAT, WE WILL RECESS OUR MEETING AND COME BACK TOMORROW FOR 5:30 P.M..

HAVE A GREAT NIGHT, EVERYBODY.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.