[1. Opening Statement]
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FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL, IT HAS BEEN THE TRADITIONAL LAND OF THE YELLOWKNIVES DENE FIRST NATION.
WE RESPECT THE HISTORIES, LANGUAGES AND CULTURES OF ALL OTHER INDIGENOUS PEOPLES, INCLUDING THE NORTH SLAVE MÉTIS AND ALL FIRST NATIONS METIS AND INUIT WHOSE PRESENCE CONTINUES TO ENRICH OUR VIBRANT COMMUNITY.
THERE'S NOTHING FURTHER TO ADD.
IT'S JUST BUDGET DELIBERATIONS.
SO A DISCLOSURE OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND THE GENERAL NATURE THEREOF.
[3. Disclosure of conflict of interest and the general nature thereof.]
DOES ANY MEMBER HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN BUDGET? SEEING NONE.IF SOMETHING DOES COME UP, THEN FEEL FREE TO FLAG IT AT THAT TIME.
[4. 2024 Budget Deliberations.]
SO WITH THAT MS. BASSI-KELLETT, DO YOU HAVE ANY OPENING COMMENTS TO BEGIN OR WE'LL JUST LAUNCH RIGHT INTO IT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.ABSOLUTELY. ADMINISTRATION VERY MUCH LOOKS FORWARD TO BUDGET DELIBERATIONS THIS WEEK, AS COUNCIL PUTS YOUR POLITICAL LENS ON TO BUDGET 2024. EVERY YEAR PRESENTS ITS OWN BUDGET, CHALLENGES AND DIFFICULTIES.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE PATIENCE AS WE HAVE WORKED TO PROVIDE SOME OF THE CAPITAL INFORMATION, SUBSEQUENT TO THE LISTING THAT'S CONTAINED IN THE BUDGET, WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME LONG LIST WITH THE EXPLANATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD IN PREVIOUS YEARS.
TIME DID NOT ALLOW US TO DO SO.
IN ADDITION, OF COURSE, WE WERE LOOKING AT Q THREE BUDGET VARIANCE FOR 2022 IN EARLY JANUARY.
SO WHEN IT COMES TO CARRYFORWARDS, WE HAD A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT CHALLENGES IN THAT FRONT.
YELLOWKNIFE'S ANNUAL BUDGET AIMS TO BALANCE, TO FIND A BALANCE BETWEEN SETTING A REASONABLE TAX RATE AND DELIVERING SERVICES THAT ARE EXPECTED AND REQUIRED BY RESIDENTS. COMMON CHALLENGES ALWAYS INCLUDE FOR US THE FACT THAT BY LEGISLATION, OUR BUDGET MUST BALANCE.
WE DO SEE INCREASED OFFLOADING FROM OTHER ORDERS OF GOVERNMENT, ALONG WITH INCREASED PRESSURE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SERVICES AND INCREASED REGULATIONS THAT NECESSITATE HIGHER STANDARDS OF CARE.
WE'VE SEEN THAT THIS WEEK, WITH ALL KINDS OF PRESSURES, FROM SOCIAL ISSUES TO THE PRESSURES THAT WE'RE FEELING AROUND SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL, PRESSURES THAT ARE FACING US. SO THIS IS VERY REAL FOR US.
AND AS COUNCIL WAS VERY OPEN TO THE DISCUSSION ON LONG TERM CAPITAL THAT HAPPENED EARLIER IN JANUARY, WE KNOW THAT SERVICE LEVELS NEED TO BE AFFORDABLE, AND THEY NEED TO MEET THE STANDARDS THAT PEOPLE WANT TO SEE FIT, AND WE KNOW THAT JUST WITH SNOW REMOVAL OVER THE WEEKEND, IT FEELS LIKE WE WERE HAVING LOTS OF PEOPLE EXPRESSING GREAT INTEREST IN HOW THE CITY APPROACHES THAT.
IT'S AN ONGOING PRESSURE THAT WE ALL FEEL.
THESE ALL PUT ENORMOUS PRESSURE ON OUR BUDGET PROCESS.
WE ARE VERY MINDFUL OF THE IMPACT OF INFLATION.
IT HITS THE CITY JUST AS IT HITS EACH OF US INDIVIDUALLY AS WELL.
MUNICIPAL TAX INCREASES ARE NEVER SOMETHING THAT ANY OF US LOOK FORWARD TO, BUT AS WE WORK TO PROVIDE AND ENSURE SOLID AND RELIABLE ESSENTIAL SERVICES FOR ALL YELLOWKNIFERS, ALONG WITH ENSURING ACCESS FOR RECREATION GOOD QUALITY OF LIFE, THIS BALANCING ACT IS A TRUE CHALLENGE.
SO IN CONCLUSION, AS WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE DELIBERATIONS OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS, WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME AND ENERGY AND EFFORT THAT COUNCIL HAS PUT IN TO LOOKING AT THESE THINGS, PUTTING THE POLITICAL LENS ON THINGS AS HIGH LEVEL POLICYMAKERS, AND WE REALLY VALUE AND APPRECIATE THE INPUT THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.
YES, AND A BIG THANKS TO STAFF FOR, AN INTENSE BUDGET CYCLE.
AND, MAKING A MORE CONDENSED IS DIFFICULT BOTH ON RESIDENTS, STAFF AS WELL AS COUNCIL.
SO APPRECIATE, GRACE AND FLEXIBILITY IN THIS UPCOMING WEEK.
WITH THAT, WE'LL START WITH, THE CAPITAL CARRYFORWARDS.
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MAYOR AND COUNCIL. SO SAME FORMAT AS PREVIOUS YEARS WITH CAPITAL CARRYFORWARDS.IT'LL KIND OF BE A DISCUSSION OF, YOU KNOW, PULLING OUT ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE OR ANY MOTIONS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? ARE THERE ANY MOTIONS SEEING NONE.
MOVE ON. AND THEN WE'LL GO WITH O&M AFTER THAT.
IN LOOKING AT THE CAPITAL CARRYFORWARDS.
THERE'S A FEW PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETE AND THEY DIDN'T USE THE FULL BUDGET AMOUNT.
FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S $6,810.74 LEFT FROM THE BALING FACILITY MECHANICAL UPGRADES.
SO IN LIEU OF GOING POINT BY POINT FOR THOSE RECOMMENDATION IS TO DO A BULK MOTION, WHICH WOULD BE, ONE THAT THE BACKUP POWER LIFT STATION GENERATOR INSTALLATION, THAT WE RELEASED THE REMAINING FUNDS TO THE CAPITAL FUND TO THE BALING FACILITY, MECHANICAL UPGRADES, RELEASE REMAINING FUNDS TO THE CAPITAL FUND.
RELEASE REMAINING FUNDS TO THE CAPITAL FUND.
RELEASE 180,000 TO THE CAPITAL FUND.
SEVEN, THE PUMPHOUSE FOUR TRUCK FILL SAFETY PROJECT.
RELEASE REMAINING FUNDS TO THE CAPITAL FUND.
EIGHT PUMPHOUSE AND LIFT STATION UPGRADES.
RELEASE REMAINING FUNDS TO THE CAPITAL FUND.
NINE THE SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT PLAN IMPLEMENTATION.
RELEASE REMAINING FUNDS TO THE CAPITAL FUND.
TEN I THINK I'M NOW AT SEWAGE FORCE MAIN TWINNING CUT THE PROJECT.
12 THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT, PELLET BOILER RELEASE REMAINING FUNDS TO THE CAPITAL FUND.
AND FINALLY THE WIRELESS INFRASTRUCTURE RELEASE REMAINING FUNDS TO THE IT RESERVE.
ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.
SO THE FIRST QUESTION I HAVE ABOUT THE CARRYFORWARDS IN ALL THESE INSTANCES.
SO WERE ALL THESE RELEASED FUNDS, DETAILED THAT THE MAYOR JUST READ OUT, ARE THOSE INCLUDED IN THE DRAFT BUDGET, LIKE IS THE CAPITAL FUND BALANCE REFLECTED AFTER ALL THESE RELEASES OR NOT? MS. BASSI-KELLETT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.
SO THESE ARE CAPITAL PROJECTS FROM PREVIOUS YEARS.
SO THE BUDGET, REFLECTS WHAT OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS ARE FOR 2024 AND ASSUMES THAT THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY IS STILL WITHIN THE CAPITAL FUND OVERALL. THANK YOU.
IS YOUR QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THE CAPITAL FUND CLOSING BALANCE WILL INCREASE BY RELEASING THE FUNDS? YES. MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU FOR THAT TRANSLATION.
RIGHT NOW THEY ARE ALLOCATED TO PROJECTS IF THEY ARE RELEASED BY COUNCIL.
IF COUNCIL PASSES THE MOTION FOR ALL OF THOSE PROJECTS, THEN THE ALLOCATED RESOURCES THAT ARE DETAILED IN APPENDIX A FOR THOSE CARRYFORWARDS WILL GO INTO THE CAPITAL FUND.
THANK YOU. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, LIKE WE COULD JUST IT'S TAKING THESE OFF THE BOOKS.
AND THEN THAT THE TOTAL OF THIS AMOUNT WILL BE, WILL MAKE THE CAPITAL FUND CLOSING BALANCE HIGHER.
AND THEN WE COULD CHOOSE IF WE WANTED TO, TO LOWER THE TRANSFER TO THE CAPITAL FUND.
AS WAS OUTLINED IN THE PRESENTATION ON LONG TERM CAPITAL TO GPC ON JANUARY 22ND, WE WILL ALWAYS RECOMMEND BEING VERY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THE LONG TERM CAPITAL AND PUTTING, ADEQUATE RESOURCES TOWARDS THOSE LONG TERM CAPITAL PRESSURES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS AND THE IMPLICATIONS.
HAS A DIFFERENT SOLUTION BEEN FOUND.
AND APOLOGIES IF THIS HAS BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED ALREADY.
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MS. BASSI-KELLETT.THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'LL ASK MR. GREENCORN TO RESPOND.
NO. THE SOLUTION THAT WAS PLANNED WAS IMPLEMENTED AND IT JUST CAME IN CHEAPER THAN ANTICIPATED.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS ABOUT THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT PELLET BOILER.
JUST SORT OF AN UPDATE ON THAT PROJECT AS WELL.
MR. GREENCORN, THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
WE'VE ADVANCED, I GUESS A CLASS D ESTIMATE AND DESIGN FOR AN OVERALL PELLET BOILER SYSTEM, BECAUSE IT ALSO TEMPERS THE WATER AT THE TEMPERS OUR POTABLE WATER SYSTEM AS WELL AS HEATS BOTH WOULD HEAT BOTH PUMP HOUSE ONE AND THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT.
IT'S GROWN IN SCOPE TO COMPLICATE THAT MATTER.
SO, HAVING TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THE COMPLEXITY OF THE DESIGN AND THE UNCERTAINTY AROUND THE PUMPHOUSE ONE, CONSTRUCTION AT THIS TIME, IT'S HIGHLY RECOMMENDED THAT WE PUSH PAUSE ON THIS.
ONCE WE HAVE CLARITY AROUND PUMPHOUSE ONE, THEN WE CAN START THINKING ABOUT THESE THINGS.
BUT, AT THIS TIME, IT WOULD BE A, IF WE PUT THIS IN PREMATURELY, IT MAY COMPLICATE THE FUTURE UPGRADES TO PUMPHOUSE ONE, AND WE WOULD RATHER GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY FIRST, OR COMPLETE THAT PROJECT FIRST, AND THEN MAKE ADVANCEMENTS ON THIS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE UPDATE.
AND THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS ON THE REPORT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST ON THIS BULK MOTION.
YES. APOLOGIES IF THIS IS SOMETHING ALSO ASKED, BUT LOTS OF INFORMATION HAS BEEN PASSING AROUND, WERE THE RELEASE OF 180 K FROM THE LANDFILL LEACHATE AND RETENTION TREATMENT, BUT THERE'S STILL BEING A REMAINING BALANCE ON THAT CARRYFORWARD.
I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT WHY WE'RE CHOOSING TO RELEASE.
FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, IT'S LIKE A FAIRLY COMPLEX PROJECT.
MS. BASSI-KELLETT. MR. GREENCORN.
SO STAFF LOOKED AT THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF $430,000 AND DETERMINED THAT WE COULD PROBABLY MOVE FORWARD WITH 250 T O DO AN INTERIM MEASURES UNTIL WE HAVE A FULLY BUILT OUT AND DESIGNED LEACHATE TREATMENT, RETENTION AND TREATMENT SYSTEM.
SO WE STILL HAVE OUR WATER LICENSE REQUIRES THAT WE HAVE LEACHATE, SOME LEVEL OF LEACHATE TREATMENT.
SO THIS IS TRYING TO MEET THE OBJECTIVES IN THE WATER LICENSE AS WELL AS, MOVING FORWARD TOWARDS A PERMANENT, SOLUTION AND, PROJECT MOVING FORWARD AT THE LANDFILL ONCE A LARGER BUILD OUT OF THE AREA IS COMPLETE OR DESIGN AND BUILD OUT OF THE AREA IS COMPLETE, WHICH WE'RE ALSO IN THE PROCESS OF DOING RIGHT NOW. SO IT'S ALL MOVING FORWARD AT THE SAME TIME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. CITY CLERK, DID YOU WANT A MOVER AND SECONDER FOR THIS ONE OR.
OKAY. CAN WE GET A MOVER? MOVE BY COUNCILLOR FEQUET? SECOND BY COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN.
ANY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AND THAT CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
ANYTHING FURTHER ON CAPITAL CARRYFORWARDS.
I WILL PASS THE CHAIR THEN TO DEPUTY MAYOR COCHRANE, AND I'LL MAKE, ONE MORE MOTION. ALL RIGHT.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON HAND? OH, I THANK YOU.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS TO THE MOTION? DO WE HAVE A SECONDER? COUNCILLOR FEQUET AND NOW A QUESTION TO THE MOTION.
COUNCILLOR FEQUET. THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR
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COCHRANE. I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM, WITH ADMINISTRATION.SO, GETTING RID OF THAT CARRYFORWARD FOR THE TRAILS.
THERE'S STILL BUDGET FOR THE LAKE RAVINE TRAIL.
I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE Q AND A'S.
I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT THAT PROJECT STILL GOING AHEAD, AND THOSE FUNDS ARE STILL AVAILABLE.
SO, YEAH, JUST TO PROVIDE CLARITY ON THAT, THE NIVEN TRAIL OR SORRY, THE TRAIL DEVELOPMENT IN THE CARRYFORWARD IS 210,000, AND THAT'S FOR THE RANGE LAKE TRAIL.
SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO DELETE THAT ONE TO CUT THAT ONE.
IT'S NOT A TRAIL THAT I HEAR FROM RESIDENTS THE NEED TO IMPROVE.
I DO HEAR FROM AN O&M PERSPECTIVE, BUT FROM A CAPITAL PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T HEAR A LOT ABOUT IT.
AND JUST IF IT IS ONE OF OUR MORE PRESSING NEEDS, THEN LET'S ADD IT TO THE NEXT BUDGET.
BUT JUST ROLLING OVER BUDGET, PROJECT AFTER PROJECT, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO COMPLETE ALL THOSE.
AND FOCUS 2024S WORK ON WHAT'S PRESENTED IN THIS CAPITAL PROJECT LIST PLUS THE POOL.
THE FRITZ THEIL SAFETY FENCE WE HAD THE DISCUSSION LAST YEAR ABOUT WHETHER TO MOVE FORWARD OR NOT.
KIND OF SIMILAR FOR ME WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF PROJECTS.
BUT FOR ME, THE FOCUS IS THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED FOR 2024.
SO THAT'S WHY I'VE MOVED THESE TWO MOTIONS.
MS. BASSI-KELLETT ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD TO THAT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
FRITZ THEIL HAD SOME SAFETY CONCERNS AROUND THAT, $80,000 WAS IDENTIFIED.
I WILL ASK MR. WHITE IF HE HAS ANYTHING HE WOULD LIKE TO ADD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
I GUESS THERE'S, I HAD A LITTLE BIT ON BOTH OF THEM.
ADMINISTRATION WAS APPROACHED BY THE SLOW PITCH.
ASSOCIATION WHO HAD CONCERNS ABOUT HITTING BALLS INTO THE, PLAYGROUND.
SO THAT'S WHY THAT, PROJECT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD.
AND THEN THE TRAIL DEVELOPMENT IS, UPGRADES TO THE ROTARY RANGE LAKE TRAIL.
AND THAT WAS A PROJECT BROUGHT FORWARD BY THE ROTARY CLUB THEMSELVES.
AND WE WOULD PARTNER SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THE, ROTARY WATERFRONT TRAIL.
THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH.
ANYTHING FURTHER TO THE MOTION? COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.
YEAH, JUST LOOKING TO GET AN OPINION FROM ADMIN.
I KNOW WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE RISK IN TERMS OF THAT SAFETY FENCE AT FRITZ THIEL.
JUST AN OPINION FROM ADMIN ON CUTTING THE PROJECT SORT OF THE CARRYING THAT RISK.
THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS ON THAT.
WE DO THINK THERE'S SOME RISK.
WE ALSO KNOW THAT 2023, WE ABSOLUTELY WERE NOT ABLE TO GET TO THIS PROJECT.
WILL WE BE ABLE TO GET TO IT IN 2024 WITH SOME OF THE WORKLOAD THAT'S UNDERWAY? I WILL ASK MR. WHITE IF HE'D LIKE TO SPECULATE ON THAT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS WORK IS, FOR THE MOST PART, CONTRACTING THE WORK OUT.
THERE'S, LITTLE TO NO WORK THAT WILL BE DONE BY OUR FRONTLINE STAFF.
THIS WOULD BE OUR FACILITIES MANAGER, ISSUING A TENDER OR AN RFP AND THEN MANAGING IT.
THANK YOU. AND THEN MAYBE JUST A REFLECTION FROM THE PRESENTER OF THE MOTION ON THAT SORT OF RISK.
THANK YOU. FOR ME, YES, THERE THERE CAN BE A RISK.
HOWEVER, I THINK WE PUT TOO MUCH ON THE WORKLOAD.
AND EVEN IF IT IS JUST TO TENDER IT OUT.
THERE'S STILL A LOT OF WORK WITH TENDERS.
AND SO I DO WANT TO REALLY, PRACTICE WHAT WE PREACH ABOUT PRIORITIZING.
MAYBE IT'S A PROJECT FOR 2025 IF IT'S DEEMED TO BE THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE FOR THAT FISCAL YEAR.
AND MAYBE WE'LL BE ABLE TO CATCH UP AND WE WON'T HAVE ANY CARRYFORWARDS FOR THAT.
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COUNCILLOR MCGURK.I'M WONDERING WHEN IT WAS THAT THE I THINK YOU SAID IT WAS.
I'M NOW SPEAKING TO THE ROTARY TRAIL.
I'M WONDERING WHEN THAT PROJECT WAS PROPOSED ORIGINALLY.
I HOPE THAT TWO QUESTIONS I JUST FIGURED DON'T WANT BACK AND FORTH WITH THAT.
WHAT THE ROTARY CLUB WAS PROPOSING THEIR SORT OF CONTRIBUTION WOULD BE.
AND IF WE HAVE LIKE AN ESTIMATE OF TIME OR MONEY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THAT WOULD BE A COLLABORATION WITH ROTARY WITH THE ROTARY CLUB.
THE PROJECT WAS FIRST IDENTIFIED IN THE LATTER PART OF 2021.
AND THEN IDENTIFIED FOR, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE 2022 BUDGET AND THEN CARRIED FORWARD FROM THERE.
AS MS. BASSI-KELLETT MENTIONED, IT'S AN UPGRADING OF THE TRAIL.
NOT NECESSARILY MAKE ACTUALLY NOT EVEN MAKING IT ACCESSIBLE, JUST MORE ACCESSIBLE TO MORE PEOPLE.
ADDING SOME CRUSH, BOARDWALK, SOME LITTER CONTAINERS AND BENCHES ALONG THE WAY.
AND THE PROJECT SPLIT IS STILL IDENTIFIED AS IS IN THE BUDGET, WHICH IS, I THINK, $210,000.
THANK YOU. SO WOULD WE BE REIMBURSING OR PROVIDING FUNDING IN ADVANCE TO PURCHASE MATERIALS, OR ARE WE PURCHASING MATERIALS AND THEN THEY'RE RECEIVING IT? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. I DON'T THINK WE'VE RECEIVED OR PURCHASED ANYTHING FOR THIS YET, BUT I WILL ASK MR. WHITE IF HE'D LIKE TO RESPOND.
WE WOULD ARRANGE FOR THE DELIVERY OF THE MATERIALS, AND THEN THEY WOULD INSTALL THEM.
THANK YOU. JUST IN TERMS OF I'M JUST THINKING IF THE SPIRIT OF THE MOTION IS TO REMOVE WORK FROM, ADMINS PLATE OR, LIKE, REDUCED WORK.
I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S A I GUESS I JUST IT SEEMS LIKE REDUCING TRAIL OR REDUCING TRAIL ACCESS WHEN WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO IS WILLING TO DO A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WORK FOR LIKE FREE IS, PRETTY, [LAUGHTER] SEEMS PRETTY DIFFICULT FOR ME TO AGREE TO, ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE GOING TO BE DOING ALL OF THE, ENGINEERING AND PLANNING ASPECT.
AND ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS PURCHASE MATERIALS.
I'M WONDERING IF MAYBE WE CAN SPLIT THIS MOTION, OR I FEEL LIKE I WOULD NOT WANT TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF REMOVING THAT IF THE BULK OF THE LABOR ON ADMIN IS JUST PURCHASING MATERIALS BASED OFF OF A EXISTING LIST.
IS THAT A QUESTION TO THE ADMINISTRATION, OR IS THAT A COMMENT? THAT'S A I GUESS QUESTION.
ANYTHING FURTHER? COUNCILLOR FEQUET. THANK YOU.
YEAH, I THINK, JUST A QUESTION FOR ADMIN FIRST.
MS. BASSI-KELLETT. MR. WHITE, THANK YOU.
THE REASON I WAS ASKING IS JUST I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GETTING GOOD VALUE FOR THIS INVESTMENT.
IF ANOTHER GROUP IN THE COMMUNITY IS WILLING TO DO THIS, BUT IF THEY'RE NOT PREPARED OR WEREN'T PLANNING ON DOING IT THIS YEAR WITH EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR, I'D BE HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE MOTION, KNOWING THAT THIS COULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD TALK ABOUT LATER.
I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT, THERE MIGHT BE OTHER PRIORITY TRAIL PROJECTS, LIKE THE CONNECTION OF THE FRAME LAKE TO BORDEN THAT WOULD GIVE US, MORE BANG FOR OUR BUCK AND CONNECT HALF THE CITY TO THE FRAMES TO THE TRAIL SYSTEM.
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THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR FEQUET.ANYTHING FURTHER TO THE MOTION? WOULD THE MAYOR LIKE TO DO THE CLOSING? THANK YOU.
YEAH. APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS.
I ALSO KNOW OF ANOTHER USER GROUP IN TOWN WHO COULD USE SOME HELP ON A CAPITAL PROJECT.
AND SO AS MUCH AS I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY WANTING TO HELP THE CITY, AND I DON'T WANT TO SAY NO TO THAT, I ALSO, YOU KNOW, REALLY THINK OF THESE NOT FOR PROFIT USER GROUPS THAT COULD USE SOME HELP AND, HAPPY TO CONNECT ROTARY TO THAT GROUP WHO COULD USE SOME HELP.
SO AGAIN, FOR ME, I'M IN SUPPORT OF BOTH.
BUT, APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S FEEDBACK.
I DID SEE THAT THERE WAS AN ISSUE TO, SPLIT THE MOTION.
IS THERE CONSENSUS TO SPLIT THE MOTION? THEN WE WILL SPLIT THE MOTION.
I GUESS AT THAT POINT, WE'LL NEED A SECONDER FOR THE SECOND PART OF THE MOTION, WILL WE NOT? NOPE.
ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR FOR THE FIRST MOTION.
PARK DEVELOPMENT FOR THE FRITZ FIELD PARK DEVELOPMENT SAFETY FENCE.
ALL IN FAVOR? AND THAT IS UNANIMOUS.
ALL RIGHT. OH, YOU VOTED AGAINST.
ALL RIGHT. COUNCILLOR FEQUET VOTES AGAINST.
OKAY. AND TO THE SECOND PART OF THE MOTION, WHICH IS THE.
WHAT IS IT? 210,000 FOR THE TRAIL DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE HAVE COUNCILLOR MCGURK AND COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN VOTING AGAINST.
AND I WILL PASS THAT CHAIR BACK TO HER WORSHIP.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR MOTIONS FOR CAPITAL CARRYFORWARDS? SEEING NONE.
WE WILL MOVE INTO 2024 CAPITAL.
SO FIRST UP IS THE ACCESSIBILITY AUDIT AND IMPLEMENTATION, A MULTI YEAR PROJECT.
ANY QUESTIONS OR MOTIONS ON THIS ONE? COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.
OKAY. YEAH. SO DOES THIS PROJECT, NEED MORE, MORE BUDGET MONEY THIS YEAR WITH THE SIGNIFICANT CARRYFORWARD? MS. BASSI-KELLETT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.
WE KNOW THAT THERE IS ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF ACCESSIBILITY WORK FOR US TO DO ACROSS THE CITY.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE HOW REALISTIC COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN IS BEING WITH THAT.
I WILL ASK MR. WHITE IF HE'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO THAT.
SO AS THE CARRYOVER GREW AND GREW OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WE DID MAKE A REQUEST FOR A SMALLER AMOUNT FOR 2024, WITH THE HOPES THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, CATCH UP AND GET ALL THE PROJECTS DONE.
I HONESTLY CAN'T SIT HERE AND SAY, YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO DO THEM ALL.
WE WOULD DO OUR BEST IF, WITH ALL THE CARRYOVER AND THE 250, AND IF THE 250 WERE DELAYED TILL THE FOLLOWING YEAR THEN AGAIN, IT JUST IT BUILDS TO ANOTHER YEAR AND ANOTHER YEAR, ANOTHER YEAR, ANOTHER YEAR AND DELAYS THE COMPLETION OF THE IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGY.
MAYBE JUST A QUESTION FOR ADMIN.
COULD YOU MAYBE JUST GIVE A BIT OF DETAILS OR ELABORATE FOR EVERYONE LISTENING AS WELL, JUST HOW ALL OF THE LONG LIST OF ACCESSIBILITY PROJECTS WILL BE PRIORITIZED OR KIND OF HOW WE'RE APPROACHING THAT? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO, A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, FOUR SCORE AND 20.
MY GOODNESS. THE CITY UNDERTOOK AN ACCESSIBILITY AUDIT, AND IT WAS AN EXCELLENT DOCUMENT IN TERMS OF TRACKING A LOT OF THE, PLACES WITHIN OUR FACILITIES AND OUR PARKS AND OUR COMMUNITY OVERALL, WHERE WE REALLY NEEDED TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE ACCESSIBLE FOR EVERYONE, PEOPLE WITH PHYSICAL DISABILITIES AND PEOPLE WITH OTHER, EXTRAORDINARY WAYS OF NAVIGATING OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR CITY AND CIVIC LIFE OVERALL.
SO WE REALLY APPRECIATED THAT.
WE'VE DEVELOPED IT INTO AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.
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AND SO PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS WORKING WITH THE ACCESSIBILITY COMMITTEE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO, DRAW UPON THEIR WISDOM, THEIR EXPERTISE, THEIR INSIGHT, THEIR FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE, TO BE ABLE TO GUIDE SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT SHOULD BE MORE OF A PRIORITY THAN NOT.BUT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS AS WELL.
I'LL ASK MR. WHITE IF HE'D LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE TO THIS, IN TERMS OF HOW WE'RE PRIORITIZING THE WORK, AND TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE GREAT WORK THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO TO DATE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO WE, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE ECONOMIES OF SCALE BY GROUPING, LIKE TYPE OF, PROJECTS TOGETHER.
SO THAT WE HAVE ONE CONTRACTOR WHO HAS A LOT OF WORK TO DO FOR US.
SAME AS IF WE'RE DOING PAVING.
WE'VE DONE, SEVERAL, PAVING OR SEVERAL, I GUESS, PROJECTS OF PAVING WITHIN, PARKS, INCLUDING, A LITTLE BIT OF PARKING AND THEN SOME, PADS THAT WE USE FOR BENCHES AND FOR, PICNIC TABLES.
AND OF COURSE, WE HAVE OUR IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE GOT BUMPED UP A LITTLE BIT OR BUMPED BACK A LITTLE BIT WITH THE ADVENT OR TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD THE JUMPSTART SO THAT, YOU KNOW, BUMPED THINGS A LITTLE BIT.
SO WE HAVE PLANS TO MOVE FORWARD IN CHUNKS.
ACCESSIBILITY WOULD HAVE BEEN BUILT, INCLUDED IN THE BUILD OF THE AQUATIC CENTER, I'M ASSUMING.
RIGHT. SO IT'S NOT AN EXTRA CHARGE.
AND THE PURPOSE I THOUGHT THIS YEAR WAS TO TRY TO REDUCE THE WORKLOAD ON STAFF.
AND IF WE GOT A BIG BUNCH OF MONEY THAT IS ALREADY CARRIED FORWARD, LIKE SHOULD WE BE LOOKING AT CONTINUING TO ADD MONEY WHEN I KNOW EVERYTHING HAS TO BE DONE? BUT WE STILL HAVE MONEY BUDGETED FOR NEXT YEAR AND THE YEAR AFTER, LIKE IT'S WE CAN APPROVE AS MUCH MONEY AS WE WANT, BUT IF IT KEEPS JUST GETTING PUSHED DOWN THE LINE AT SOME POINT, MAYBE WE CAN OFFER A LITTLE BIT OF A REPRIEVE FOR TAXPAYERS AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, REDUCE THE ODD, ESTIMATE HERE OR THE ODD BUDGET ASK.
SO I WOULD IS THIS A GOOD TIME TO PUT A MOTION TO CUT THIS YEAR WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THAT WE WILL BE CONTINUING TO DO IT FROM YEAR TO YEAR, AND WE HAVE A BUNCH OF MONEY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF MONEY EARMARKED FOR THAT ALREADY.
YEAH. THE MOTION COULD BE TO CUT THE $250,000 FROM THE 2024 BUDGET, WHICH THEN LEAVES THE 1.3 MILLION CARRYFORWARD TO CONTINUE THE ACCESSIBILITY IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.
DO WE HAVE A SECONDER? COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION? COUNCILLOR COCHRANE.
THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. I AGREE WITH COUNCILLOR PAYNE ON THIS ONE.
WE ALREADY HAVE 1.342 MILLION FOR THE CARRYOVERS UNTIL WE GET CAUGHT UP.
I'M FINE WITH CUTTING THE 250,000 FOR THIS YEAR.
THANKS. MADAM CHAIR. I JUST WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK.
I THINK I HEARD IT, BUT, ALL THE PROJECTS THAT ARE ON THIS LONG LIST THAT WE'RE HOPING TO DO.
THERE'S NOT A CHANCE THAT WE WOULD COMPLETE $1.6 MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS THIS YEAR.
MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.
SO TYPICALLY, WHAT WE'VE HAD SINCE THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN CAME FORWARD WAS 580 APPROXIMATELY IN THAT AREA, A $580,000 A YEAR FOR ACCESSIBILITY IMPLEMENTATION.
SO THAT'S THE TARGET THAT WE'VE WORKED TOWARDS.
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MR. WHITE, ANYTHING TO ADD? THANK YOU. AGREED AND APPRECIATED.SO I WOULD BE OKAY SUPPORTING THE MOTION AS PRESENTED.
SEEING NOTHING FURTHER ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.
NEXT WE HAVE THE AQUATIC CENTER.
AND THANK GOODNESS FOR DESIGN BUILD.
WITH THAT THE NEXT IS THE ARBOR DEVELOPMENT STUDY.
ANY QUESTIONS OR MOTIONS? COUNCILLOR PAYNE. ARE WE WORKING WITH AN OUTSIDE ORGANIZATION TO DEVELOP THIS ARBOR? MS. BASSI-KELLETT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I WILL ASK MR. WHITE IF HE'D LIKE TO SPEAK MORE TO THIS.
JUST THE PROJECT IS ROLLING AND WE HOPE TO SEE SOME SUCCESS IN 2024.
I SEE THAT WE ARE WAITING FOR FEEDBACK.
AND JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, HOW LONG HAVE WE BEEN WAITING FOR FEEDBACK ON THIS? MS. BASSI-KELLETT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.
SO IT'S BEEN A LITTLE WHILE, I WILL BE HONEST.
BUT HONESTLY, I MEAN, I THINK WE ALL CAN APPRECIATE THAT, BETWEEN YKDFN ELECTIONS, SOME STAFF TURNOVER, 2023 THERE WERE A LOT OF REASONS WHY WE'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET SOME PROMPT RESPONSES ON THAT.
SO WE WANT TO WORK CLOSELY WITH YKDFN THERE IS A POLITICAL MEETING COMING UP.
THERE ARE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAVE AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE LEVELS.
AND THANK YOU. THAT'S VERY REASONABLE.
NEXT WE HAVE A CITY HALL UPGRADE RETROFIT.
ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILLOR WARBURTON. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S INFESTED WITH RATS AND BATS AND MOLD AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
AT THE CITY WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH CITY HALL IS WE WANT TO DO A COUPLE OF THINGS TO THIS BUILDING.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MAXIMIZING ENERGY EFFICIENCY.
AND THE OTHER THING WE WANT TO DO, OF COURSE, IS MAXIMIZE AND OPTIMIZE THE SPACE INTERNALLY.
WE HAVE 1970S OFFICE LAYOUT, WHICH ARE PRETTY BIG.
SOME OFFICES ARE BOILING HOT, SOME ARE REALLY COLD.
MR. GREENCORN, ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? JUST THE FIRST PHASE OF IT WAS REALLY A HIGH LEVEL TO COMPLETE THAT FUNCTIONALITY ASSESSMENT AND JUST A HIGH LEVEL, SPACE ALLOCATION REQUIREMENT BASED ON CURRENT STANDARDS.
I BELIEVE WE'RE USING GNWT STANDARDS.
THE CONSULTANT IS REALLY FAMILIAR WITH THOSE.
AND JUST TO SEE HOW MUCH WE CAN OCCUPY AND FUTURE ACTUALLY FUTURE PROOF TO SEE, HOW WE CAN MAXIMIZE THE LONGEVITY OF THE BUILDING, NOT TO MENTION MOVING THINGS LIKE THE SERVER ROOM TO AN EXTERIOR WALL TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF COLD WEATHER COOLING.
SO DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE THINK WE CAN DO BETTER.
AND SO THAT'S JUST THE INITIAL STAGE.
OBVIOUSLY WITH COUNCIL APPROVAL, WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD.
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BUT THIS IS THE PATH FORWARD ON HOW TO AS MS. BASSI-KELLETT SAID, TO MOVE, PUT SOME ENERGY INTO THE BUILDING AND CREATE SOME SPACE WHERE WE'RE CURRENTLY CLEANING OUT BROOM CLOSETS TO FIND PEOPLE TO SIT.SO, WE'RE WE'RE REACHING OUR LIMIT HERE, SO THANK YOU.
I SEE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS WE HAVE SORT OF 5 MILLION.
WHAT IS OUR CONFIDENCE LEVEL IN THAT OR OUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT? JUST SEEING THE EXPLOSION OF CAPITAL COSTS LATELY.
THOUGHTS ON THAT NUMBER? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE HOPEFUL AND CERTAINLY WE SEE THAT THE MARKET IS THE ONE THAT DETERMINES, AS MR. GREENCORN SAID, IN THE LONG TERM CAPITAL PLANNING PRESENTATION THAT HAPPENED.
SO I'LL SEE IF MR. GREENCORN OR MR. PANDOO OUR SOOTHSAYERS AND HAVE ANYTHING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO ADD IN TERMS OF PROJECTING WHAT CAPITAL COSTS COULD BE IN THE FUTURE? SURE. I'LL TAKE A CRACK AT IT.
AND I DON'T MEAN THAT TO BE TO BE COY BUT, IT WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE, I BELIEVE, TO LEAVE A ZERO THERE AND THEN HIT IT ALL AT ONCE FOR MR. PANDOO AND HIS DEPARTMENT'S CAPITAL PLANNING.
THEN YOU CAN KIND OF SEE SOMETHING COMING.
SO WE DID OUR BEST TO SORT OF THUMB IT AND INCLUDE IT IN THE CAPITAL PLAN.
AND IF THAT VARIES A LITTLE BIT EITHER WAY ON THE TOP SIDE OR UNDERSIDE OF THAT, THEN I THINK WE CAN BETTER PLAN FOR THAT MOVING FORWARD, INSTEAD OF JUST THROWING A $10 MILLION FIGURE IN ONE YEAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO IT'S AN ATTEMPT IS SIMILAR THAT WE DO IN FLEET MANAGEMENT.
YEAH, THANKS FOR THAT. AND I'LL SORT OF ASK THE QUESTION ANOTHER WAY.
DOES THIS PROJECT HAVE SOME NEEDS AND SOME WANTS? AND ARE WE GOING TO DO A FEW THINGS? MOVE THE SERVER ROOM, CREATE AN X NUMBER OF OFFICES, MAKE SURE THE HEAT AND AIR FLOW WELL, AND THEN DO SOME WANTS.
IF THE BUDGET IS SORT OF UNDER 5 MILLION, OR IF IT STARTS BALLOONING WITH THE NEEDS, ARE WE GOING TO GET RID OF SOME WANTS? SORT OF HOW ARE WE PRIORITIZING DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THIS PROJECT? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.
WE'LL CERTAINLY WE BELIEVE THAT THE HVAC, ELECTRICAL AND MECHANICAL ARE PRIORITY ONE.
AND WE COULD DO SO MUCH BETTER WITH THAT.
THE OFFICE SPACE COMES AFTER THE FACT, QUITE FRANKLY.
BUT IT IS REALLY LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN OPTIMIZE THE USE OF SPACE, HOW WE MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC ACCESSIBILITY, THE TOUCH POINTS WHERE THE PUBLIC COMES INTO CITY HALL ARE CLEAR AND FUNCTION WELL AND SUPPORT PEOPLE TO HAVE A GOOD EXPERIENCE WHEN THEY COME TO CITY HALL.
SO REALLY, A LOT OF THIS IS BASED ON THE REALLY TECHNICAL OPERATIONAL SIDE OF ENSURING THAT WE CAN MAXIMIZE THE LIFESPAN OF THIS BUILDING USING GOOD ASSET MANAGEMENT PRINCIPLES, BUT A LOT OF IT THEN WILL BE THE SUBSEQUENT PARTS THAT WILL COME WITH THIS, THAT ARE, WILL BE HOW WE CAN UTILIZE THE BUILDING.
MR. GREENCORN, ANYTHING TO ADD? JUST TO ADD, OUR DIRECTION TO THE CONSULTANT WAS TO LOOK AT NOT NECESSARILY THE CADILLAC, BUT, I GUESS THE WHAT WOULD BE THE HIGHER END OF THINGS.
AND WE WANT, AN ITERATION PROCESS FROM THAT TO WHAT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE RANGE WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND I WOULD AND THEN WE'LL AGAIN, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT'S GOING TO COST.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS THAT ARE IN THERE.
THERE IS ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY WITH, THE AQUATIC CENTER AS THERE'S OFFICE SPACE.
SO THERE'LL BE PEOPLE AT CITY HALL MOVING TO THE AQUATIC CENTER.
SO FROM THAT, PHASING PERSPECTIVE, KIND OF IN A GOOD SPACE TOO.
YEAH. APPRECIATE THE PROJECT AND THE DIFFICULTIES THAT MAY CAUSE.
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AND HOW TO DO ALL THAT.SO. SO THANKS TO STAFF FOR THE WORK.
AND, YEAH, JUST A REFLECTION ON THE DIFFICULTY AND HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE PROJECTS.
FOR SURE. COUNCILLOR COCHRANE.
I THINK THIS IS A GREAT THING TO GET MOVING ON.
I DON'T WANT TO GET 24 SUSSEX.
YEAH. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE.
NEXT WE HAVE THE COMMUNITY ENERGY PROGRAM.
IN THE APPENDIX TO THE, BUDGET ITSELF JUST BEFORE CITY HALL WAS, CS LAND FUND CAPITAL PROJECT, NIVEN RAVINE TRAIL.
IS THIS A TIME BEFORE WE GET ROLLING PAST IT, OR SHOULD I ASK THAT AT A DIFFERENT POINT? IF YOU WANT TO SAVE THAT ONE FOR THE LAND FUND? YEAH. OKAY.
THEN THE COMMUNITY ENERGY PLAN PROGRAM QUESTION.
SO THIS $100,000 IS FOR THE BEGINNING OF THE RENEWAL OF THE PLAN, IS THAT CORRECT? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US IN 2024 TO START PLANNING FOR WHAT OUR CLIMATE CHANGE, MITIGATION AND ADAPTATION PLAN IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS SO THAT WE CAN ROLL SEAMLESSLY INTO THE NEXT INCARNATION OF THIS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE POISED AND READY TO GO WITH RESOURCES THAT CAN BACK UP THE STRATEGIES THAT, ARE SUPPORTED BY COUNCIL IN THIS CLIMATE ADAPTATION AND MITIGATION PLAN.
THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
AND, WOULD THIS WORK WOULD THIS $100,000 BE DONE INTERNALLY OR HIRED OUT TO A CONSULTANT .
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE WOULD SEE THAT WE WOULD GET SOME EXTERNAL EXPERTISE TO HELP US WITH THIS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.
SORRY. HENDRIKSEN. AND THEN FEQUET.
ARE WE TOO SIMILAR? [LAUGHTER] THANKS, MADAM CHAIR.
JUST, CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE IF AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, PLEASE.
THERE'S $258,000 AND ALMOST $259,000 CARRYFORWARD PLUS THE $100,000.
SO WITH THAT, CAN I JUST CLARIFICATION ON IS THAT ALL FOR PUTTING IN PLACE A NEW PLAN AFTER THE 2025 CORPORATE AND COMMUNITY ENERGY ACTION PLAN? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.
AND I'M NOT GOING TO LIE, I'M WINGING IT A LITTLE BIT HERE BECAUSE OUR DIRECTOR WITH RESPONSIBILITY IS UNFORTUNATELY ON VERY SHORT NOTICE, UNAVAILABLE TONIGHT DUE TO A FAMILY EMERGENCY. SO WHAT WE HAVE IS THAT THIS IS A COMBINATION OF FUNDS TO IMPLEMENT THE 2015, 2025 CCEP.
THAT'S WHAT THE 258, $259,000 IS.
AND THEN THE $100,000 IS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE NEW PLAN.
WE 2023 NEED I SAY MORE? SO WE ARE A LITTLE BIT BEHIND ON THAT, BUT THERE ARE SOME ACTIONS THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT WANTING TO WRAP UP, BEFORE WE GET THE NEW PLAN DEVELOPED, APPROVED BY COUNCIL AND IMPLEMENTED. THANK YOU.
WHAT STEPS HAVE BEEN TAKEN TO MEASURE AND TRACK OUR PROGRESS RELATED TO THE CURRENT CORPORATE AND COMMUNITY ENERGY ACTION PLAN? LIKE, WE HAVE A LOT OF TARGETS IN THAT PLAN.
AND DO WE KNOW HOW WELL WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW BEFORE WE JUMP INTO A NEW PLAN? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.
WE COULD ALSO PARKING LOT THIS ONE AND, YEAH.
TOMORROW WHEN THE DIRECTOR'S BACK.
YEAH. THANK YOU. I'D APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME WORK ON MEASURING GHG EMISSIONS.
THERE WERE A FEW OTHER THINGS.
SURE. AS MS. BASSI-KELLETT SAID, WE'RE WORKING FORWARD ON MULTIPLE INITIATIVES.
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ACT, ANY REAL PROPERTY ISSUES THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH DEVELOPING A DISTRICT ENERGY SYSTEM.JUST A FUNDAMENTALS DOCUMENT, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM.
SO THAT WAS DONE AND COMPLETED.
ALONG WITH THAT, WE ADVANCED WORK ON THE LOCAL, IMPROVEMENT ENERGY, LOCAL IMPROVEMENTS INITIATIVES.
THAT'S STILL IN DRAFT FORMAT, BUT SCHEDULED TO BE COME FORWARD TO COUNCIL.
WE ALSO DID A GREENHOUSE GAS REASSESSMENT TO DETERMINE WHERE OUR CARBON FOOTPRINT IS, I BELIEVE, I'LL HAVE TO CHECK WITH STAFF TO SEE WHERE THAT ONE WOULD BE, BUT, AND THEN, WHAT ELSE THOUGH? THERE'S TONS OF THINGS THAT WE DID.
WE CONVERTED MANY BUILDINGS TO LED LIGHTS, THINGS OF THAT.
SO, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT IN TERMS OF WHERE WE'RE AT ON THE OVERALL PLAN.
WE'VE MADE GREAT, GREAT STRIDES.
THERE WAS TWO PARTS TO THE 2015, 2025 PLAN.
ONE WAS CORPORATE, GOALS, AND ONE WAS COMMUNITY BASED GOALS.
WE DID GREAT ON THE CORPORATE SIDE OF THINGS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE CONTROL OVER.
WE'VE INSTALLED PELLET BOILERS AND THEY'VE MADE A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THE FIVE FACILITIES, THAT IS CONNECTED TO IT, THE MULTIPLEX AS WELL AS THE ONE AT THE WHAT WE'VE GOT ONE AT THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT. WE'VE GOT ONE AT THE SOLID WASTE FACILITY, AND WE'VE GOT ONE AT THE RUTH INCH POOL.
SO THOSE HAVE ADVANCED OUR GOALS IN TERMS OF CARBON REDUCTION GREATLY.
WE'VE STRUGGLED A LITTLE BIT ON THE COMMUNITY SIDE OF THINGS BECAUSE IT'S DIFFICULT TO, IMPOSE, IF YOU WILL, BUT, THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT WENT THROUGH GREAT, NOT GREAT PAINS, BUT GREAT ATTEMPT TO MODERNIZE AND UPDATE THE ENERGY COMPONENT OF THE BUILDING BYLAW AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, THE, ENERGY LOCAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM, AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT ENERGY POLICY FRAMEWORK, WAS AN ATTEMPT TO MAKE SOME GAINS ON THE COMMUNITY ENERGY SIDE OF THINGS.
SO I BELIEVE THERE'LL BE QUITE A FEW THINGS ROLLING FORWARD.
I THINK THEY'LL BE INCORPORATED INTO THE 2025 PLAN.
THANKS. REALLY THANKS FOR THAT, FULSOME ANSWER.
THANK YOU. GOT THAT ONE PARKING LOT.
PERFECT. SO THE NEXT, IS THE EMERGENCY RADIO INFRASTRUCTURE RENEWAL.
ANY QUESTIONS OR MOTIONS? COUNCILLOR FEQUET.
JUST HOPING TO GET A LITTLE MORE INSIGHT.
I KNOW, OBVIOUSLY EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS, PUBLIC SAFETY IS TOP OF MIND THESE DAYS.
SO IF YOU COULD JUST ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT THIS IS, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.
MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YEAH. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE BEST SYSTEMS POSSIBLE TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND IN AN EMERGENCY AND HAVING STUFF WITH, EQUIPMENT THAT HAS ANTIQUATED SUPPORTS AND, THAT ARE NOT IN PLACE ANYMORE BY THE PROVIDER ARE NOT GOOD.
I WILL ASK MR. MCLEAN IF HE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE.
SO THE CURRENT RADIO SYSTEM, MORE OR LESS SUPPORTS VOICE RADIO COMMUNICATIONS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
THROUGH AGING, MANY OF THE COMPONENTS IN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE ARE STARTING TO AGE OUT TO THE POINT WHERE, SERVICE AND SUPPORT ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE OR THE SUN IS QUICKLY SETTING ON THEM.
FROM A COMMUNITY SERVICE PERSPECTIVE, WE WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE MOVING TO REPLACE KEY INFRASTRUCTURE PIECES IN OUR RADIO COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS PRIOR TO FAILURE.
AWESOME. YEAH, A LOT OF CANADIAN [INAUDIBLE] WALKIE TALKIES YOU CAN BUY FOR THAT AMOUNT.
ANYTHING FURTHER? SEEING NONE.
NEXT WE HAVE THE FLTS FLOW CALCULATION METER INSTALLATIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS? SORRY OR MOTIONS ON THOSE? SEEING NONE.
NEXT WE HAVE THE FIRE HALL EQUIPMENT.
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I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION MS. BASSI-KELLETT IF YOU COULD JUST GET THE 2024 FUNDING FOR THE EMERGENCY SHELTERS AND JUST WONDERING WHAT EXACTLY THAT IS.SO IF WE CAN GET A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY ON THIS PROJECT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION IN PARTICULAR FOR THE EMERGENCY SHELTER PROPOSED FOR NEXT YEAR.
SO ONE OF THE GAPS IN SOME VARIOUS PARTS OF OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR THE COMMUNITY IS HAVING A MASS SHELTERING LOCATION FOR INCLEMENT WEATHER.
SO IF WE HAVE DAYS LIKE WE DID A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WHERE IT'S -40, WE HAVE MAYBE A TRANSPORTATION BUS, YOU KNOW, A BUS OF TOURISTS THAT LIKE TO TRAVEL AROUND. SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THEM WHERE WE HAVE NUMEROUS INJURED PEOPLE.
IN ADDITION TO THIS, WE DO RUN AS OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE, HAZARDOUS MATERIAL RESPONSE.
AND DECON AS IN SORRY, DECONTAMINATE.
THAT IS WHEN PEOPLE ARE EXPOSED TO, HAZARDOUS PRODUCTS.
SO THAT IS THE, PREMISE OF THE SHELTERING SYSTEM.
THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT INFO.
NEXT WE HAVE THE FIRE HALL EXPANSION RENOVATION? ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. AND THANKS FOR ALL THE Q&A ON THIS WHEN I ASKED, ONLINE THERE.
JUST TO KICK OFF, THE EXPECTED NEW ECONOMIC LIFE OF THAT FIRE HALL ONCE WE'RE ALL DONE R ENOVATION.
WHAT DO YOU EXPECT THAT TO BE? MS. BASSI-KELLETT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I BELIEVE THAT MR. MCLEAN HAD INDICATED IN THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL Q AND A'S WOULD BE 25 TO 30 YEARS.
MR. MCLEAN, ANYTHING TO ADD? NO. THANK YOU.
FROM THE PROJECTIONS, WE HAVE 25 TO 30 YEARS AS THE EXPECTED EXTENDED LIFESPAN OF THAT ASSET.
AND THE, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE FROM KIND OF START TO FINISH ON THE RENOVATION? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE HAVE A PRELIMINARY DESIGN THAT'S BEEN DONE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
AND SO WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT BEING ABLE TO BEGIN ADVANCING THAT IN 2024.
MR. MCLEAN, ANYTHING TO ADD? THANK YOU. THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE PROJECT IS WE'RE WAITING FOR THE DETAILED DESIGN AND SPECIFICATIONS, AS WELL AS A CLASS A ESTIMATE OF WHAT THE FINAL COST WILL BE.
SO AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WE'LL HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE ACTUAL COSTS ARE.
OKAY. SO, DEPENDING WHERE THAT COMES BACK AT, WILL IT COME BACK TO COUNCIL IF THERE'S EXTRA BUDGET ALLOCATION REQUIRED? LIKE IT'S NOT BUILT IN HERE.
THIS IS KIND OF IT'LL COME BACK.
ANYTHING ABOVE 9 MILLION WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL.
MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YEAH. SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES KNOW I'VE STRUGGLED THIS ONE.
THIS IS A LOT OF MONEY FOR A RENOVATION.
THANK YOU. I'VE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH THIS AS WELL.
IT IS A LOT OF MONEY, AND IT LOOKS LIKE DOWN THE ROAD IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE MONEY, SO.
DO WE HAVE, LIKE A BASIC BREAKDOWN OF WHAT THE RENO AT FIRE HALL IS GOING TO COST AND WHAT THE EXPANSION WOULD COST? DO WE HAVE A LIKE A PERCENTAGE OF THE FUNDING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ALLOTTING? I DON'T THINK WE ADVANCED THE NEW BUILDS.
AS OPPOSED TO WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE AQUATIC CENTER, WE RAN THE NUMBERS AT THE SAME TIME.
BUT WHEN THE OPTIONS PAPER CAME FORWARD, COUNCIL GAVE DIRECTION TO JUST GO WITH THE RENOVATION.
SO I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL THE WORK THAT ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE.
I MEAN, THE CHALLENGE FOR US IS THAT OUR FIRE HALL WAS BUILT IN 1989.
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IT WAS BUILT FOR 16 FIREFIGHTERS AND SIGNIFICANTLY LESS EQUIPMENT FROM WHEN YELLOWKNIFE WAS A MUCH SMALLER COMMUNITY.BUT WE ALSO NEEDED FOR OCCUPATIONAL HEALTH AND SAFETY REASONS.
SO IT'S A COMBINATION OF MEETING THOSE REQUIREMENTS WHILE ALSO LOOKING AT THE EXPANSION TO BE ABLE TO HOUSE THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE THAT WE'VE, YOU KNOW, WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON THAT EQUIPMENT, AND WE NEED IT TO BE READY TO GO IN AN EMERGENCY.
SO IT'S A VERY CHALLENGING THING FOR US TO THINK, HEY, WE'LL PUT UP A COLD, SHELTER OUTSIDE AND PUT SOME OF THESE PIECES IN THERE AND GET THEM REVVED UP WHEN WE NEED. I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE THAT WE WOULD.
AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT WHAT ANY COUNCILLOR IS THINKING.
SO, WE'D HAVE A BIG CONCERN AROUND THAT.
I'LL SEE IF MR. MCLEAN HAS ANYTHING HE'D LIKE TO ADD.
I THINK YOU'VE HIT MOST OF THE KEY TOPICS THERE.
MOST OF THE NEEDS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT ARE RELATED TO SAFETY OF OUR PERSONNEL.
THE DESIGN FOR THE ORIGINAL BUILDING THE THINGS THAT HAVE COME INTO PLAY SINCE THEN.
YOU KNOW, WSCC HAS NEW CODES OF PRACTICE.
SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO BE AN EMPLOYER THAT SAYS STAFF SAFETY IS PARAMOUNT TO US, THEN WE WANT TO BE LEADERS IN THAT AND ENSURE OUR FACILITIES MEET THAT STATEMENT. THANK YOU.
DON'T GET ME WRONG, LIKE STAFF SAFETY IS IMPORTANT AND I'VE ALWAYS IN MY EIGHT YEARS HERE I HAVEN'T TURNED DOWN ANY REQUESTS FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. NEVER.
AND I'VE HEARD, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE POSSIBILITY OF A $17 MILLION COST OF THIS PROJECT.
SO WHEN AND WE SPEND THE PUBLIC'S MONEY ON THIS, SO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE GUYS IN IT AND THE WOMEN IN IT ARE ARE IMPORTANT TO ME ALSO, WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME IS, IS THE PUBLIC'S MONEY THAT WE'RE SPENDING.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE GET THESE NUMBERS COME AT US.
IT'S JUST A TOUGH PILL TO SWALLOW AND, YOU KNOW OF COURSE WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE THIS AND WE'RE GOING TO ACCEPT IT. BUT HAS EVERYTHING BEEN LOOKED AT? YOU KNOW, THE SCHOOLS RUN OUT OF ROOM.
SO WHAT DO THEY DO? THEY BRING IN, PORTABLES, RIGHT, TO HOUSE THE STUDENTS.
WE USE PORTABLES FOR THE HOMELESS SHELTER OVER HERE.
RATHER THAN SPENDING MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN A RENOVATION AND EXPANSION.
I UNDERSTAND THE RENOVATION PART.
IF THE BUILDING IS OLD AND WE NEED TO DO WORK, WE NEED TO KEEP THAT, KEEP IT GOING.
I HAVE ZERO PROBLEM WITH A RENOVATION.
IT'S THE EXPANSION THAT I'M LOOKING AT.
AND DO WE HAVE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WE COULD BRING A DECONTAMINATION UNIT AND COULD WE BRING, YOU KNOW, ACCOMMODATION UNITS AND THAT'S ALL I'M LOOKING FOR.
THE ONLY THING THAT I'VE SEEN COME TO US SO FAR IS THESE BIG COST ITEMS. SO HAVE WE LOOKED AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A JOB HERE TO BE RESPONSIBLE WITH THE PUBLIC'S MONEY.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING HERE.
JUST WONDERING IF WE COULD PARKING LOT THIS ITEM WITH AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ADMINISTRATION TO PROVIDE A, PERHAPS SOME FEEDBACK ON ON THE POINTS THAT YOU JUST RAISED FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION BEFORE THERE'S A MOTION TO, PUT THIS PROJECT ON PAUSE OR TO REMOVE IT FROM THE BUDGET.
SEEING NODDING HEADS OR COUNCILLOR FEQUET.
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AHEAD. OKAY.THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. I HAVE NO ISSUE BEING ABLE TO PARKING LOT IT UNTIL TOMORROW.
I DON'T SEE WHAT WOULD BE THE ISSUE OF THAT.
I SAY WE PARK IT TILL TOMORROW.
OKAY. SEEING NODDING HEADS ON A PARKING LOT.
OKAY. NEXT WE HAVE FLEET MANAGEMENT.
ANY QUESTIONS OR MOTIONS? COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN.
THANK YOU FOR THE GRACE OF TIME THERE IN ORDER TO CATCH BACK UP WITH MY NOTES.
CAN ADMIN JUST SPEAK TO THE POINT AND PROVIDE SOME CLARITY ABOUT, WHETHER OR NOT THE BUDGET PROVISION FOR FLEET MANAGEMENT INCLUDES ANY NEW VEHICLE EXPANSION? OR IS IT STRICTLY WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE, WHICH IS MAINTENANCE OF THE FLEET AS IT IS, AND REPLACEMENT OF THAT FLEET AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS.
THANKS. MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE'D BE HAPPY TO, SPEAK IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL AROUND FLEET.
SO IF COUNCIL IS AMENABLE, WE HAVE A VERY, VERY SHORT DECK OF ABOUT, 7 OR 8 SLIDES THAT OUTLINE FLEET THAT COULD BE VERY HELPFUL AT THIS POINT IN TIME. I'M AMENABLE.
AND I HAVE TO SAY I DIDN'T FLAG THAT QUESTION, SO KUDOS FOR ALREADY HAVING A DECK TOGETHER.
SO THIS WOULD BE PROBABLY MY FIFTH TIME TALKING ABOUT FLEET.
[INAUDIBLE]. NO, NO, THAT'S TOTALLY FINE.
HAPPY TO GIVE SOME HIGH LEVEL, I GUESS, COMPONENTS OR SPEAKING POINTS ON FLEET AND HOW WE MANAGE IT.
I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S PROBABLY, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, OUR BEST FORMAL.
BUT THIS IS OUR, I GUESS, OUR FORMALIZED, AND WELL DOCUMENTED, BEST, I GUESS, BEST EXAMPLE WHATEVER.
SO IN 2017, WE, WE TOOK ON MERCURY ASSOCIATES.
WELL, PRIOR TO THAT, WE'VE HAD THE MOBILE EQUIPMENT RESERVE FUND IN PLACE FOR YEARS.
WHAT THIS IS, IS IT'S A REVOLVING FUND.
IT'S A TRANSFER FROM THE CAPITAL FUND.
AND IT FUNDS THE REPLACEMENT AND NEW VEHICLES.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR FIRST QUESTION IS WHEN A NEW VEHICLE OR A NEW COMPONENT OR IS REQUIRED FOR A NEW SERVICE OR TO REPLACE AN EXISTING SERVICE, THE CURRENT STANDARD IS TO IT HAS TO BE WRITTEN JUSTIFICATION AND PRESENTED TO CITY MANAGER FOR INCLUSION IN THE FLEET.
SO WE WANTED TO REVIEW WE WANTED TO REVIEW THE OVERALL FLEET REPLACEMENT PRACTICES IN 2017 BECAUSE WE WERE FALLING BEHIND IN SOME ASSET CLASSES. WE WERE AHEAD OF THE CURVE IN SOME ASSET CLASSES, AND WE JUST WE HAD A VERY AS I REFERRED TO EARLIER IN THE NIGHT, WE HAD A VERY SPIKY, REPLACEMENT CURVE.
SO SOME YEARS WE'RE COMING FORWARD WITH LARGE PURCHASES.
SOME WERE COMING FORWARD WITH LESS THAN.
IT IS BASED ON AN ASSET OR, SORRY, A UNIT SYSTEM.
I'LL GET FORWARD INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT.
WHILE THIS IS FROM 2017, IT'S STILL RELEVANT.
AND THE FLEET MANAGEMENT PRACTICES ARE STANDARD THROUGHOUT THE INDUSTRY.
AND IT'S OUR BEST AGAIN, BEST EXAMPLE OF STANDARD ASSET MANAGEMENT PRACTICES.
SO WHAT IT IS IT'S A STRUCTURED AND PROACTIVE ASSET MANAGEMENT THAT'S RATHER THAN A REACTIVE.
SO JUST TO TALK TO THESE BULLET POINTS, IT DOES PROVIDE MORE PREDICTABILITY AND COST CERTAINTY.
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WHILE IT MIGHT PROVIDE CERTAINTY, THAT'S NOT ALWAYS NECESSARILY CHEAPER.WE'VE SEEN THAT WITH MULTIPLE UNITS IN RECENT YEARS.
SO IT FUNCTIONS OPTIMALLY WITH CONSISTENT AND ANNUAL CONTRIBUTIONS.
IT ALLOWS US TO HAVE THAT SMOOTH CURVE.
ECONOMICS 101 WHEN YOUR REPAIR COSTS IN THE ORANGE OUR OPERATING COSTS START TO SPIKE.
AND THEN YOUR CAPITAL ASSET STARTS TO DEPRECIATE.
THEN YOUR OPTIMAL REPLACEMENT IS SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE.
IT DEPENDS WHERE WE USE THINGS IN DIFFERENT MANNERS.
SO I'LL GIVE AN EXAMPLE ON THE FOLLOWING PAGE.
BUT IT GOES TO SHOW HOW ASSETS DEPRECIATE OR LOSES ITS FAIR MARKET VALUE.
AND WHEN IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO REPLACE IT INSTEAD OF MANY PEOPLE IN SOME INDUSTRIES CAN AND HAVE THE, I GUESS, ABILITY TO RUN EQUIPMENT INTO THE GROUND.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE STRIVE TO DO HERE.
FOR EXAMPLE, WE CAN'T RUN OUR GRADERS IN THE GROUND WHEN WE NEED THEM LIKE WE DID ON SATURDAY.
SO, HAVING THINGS READY AT OUR DISPOSAL AND READY TO PROVIDE THOSE ASSETS AND SERVICES TO, FOR DEPLOYMENT, FOR THE PROVISION OF SERVICES IS SOMETHING THAT WE TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY.
SO HERE'S OUR GENERAL REPLACEMENT CYCLES VERSUS INDUSTRY.
SO WE ARE TYPICALLY WITHIN INDUSTRY STANDARDS.
SOME CASES WERE ON THE HIGH SIDE, MEANING WE DON'T REPLACE THEM AS OFTEN AS INDUSTRY.
YOU CAN SEE THEM ON THE SCREEN.
WE'RE STRETCHING THEM OUT 20 YEARS.
IT DEPENDS ON THE ENGINE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SOME OF THEM ARE RARELY USED OR NOT RARELY USED, BUT HAVE LOW USAGE, LOW HOURS ON THEM.
SO WE DON'T JUST REPLACE THINGS WHEN THEY SHOULD BE REPLACED.
WE HAVE A RIGOROUS PROCESS WHERE WE INSPECT THEM.
WE DO MAINTENANCE, PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE ON THEM.
SOME PMS ARE HALF YEAR, SOME PMS ARE, WE CALL THEM SIX MONTH PMS. WE CALL THEM ANNUAL PMS, AND PMS SORRY IS PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE.
SO WE DO THAT ON MULTIPLE ALL OF OUR FLEET UNITS.
SO WHERE WE CAN EXTEND THE LIFE OF UNITS, WE DO.
ANOTHER POINT TO NOTE HERE IS THIS EXAMPLE IS OLD.
AND I BELIEVE OUR GRADER REPLACEMENTS ARE NOW EXTENDED TO EIGHT YEARS.
AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WE'RE EVEN LOOKING AT EXTENDING THEM OUT TEN YEARS.
SO WE'RE NO LONGER REPLACING GRADERS AT THE AT THE QUICK FREQUENCY THAT THEY'RE THERE.
BUT ONE OF THE REASONS WE DO WE WERE REPLACING THEM AT THAT FREQUENCY WAS WE NEED THOSE THREE UNITS AND THERE ARE ONLY THREE, BUT WE NEED THEM TO BE READY TO GO WHEN WE NEED THEM TO, READY TO GO.
BUT IN SAYING THAT, WE DID TAKE IT UPON OURSELVES, AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE EXTENDED THOSE THE LIVES OF THOSE UNITS AND THUS REDUCING THE IMPACT ON, THE OVERALL MOBILE EQUIPMENT FUND.
SO, YEAH, PART OF THE MERCURY FLEET REVIEW, ANNUAL FLEET TOTALS ALONG THE TOP.
SORRY, I BELIEVE THIS SLIDE IS REFERRING TO THIS, SO I'M JUST GOING TO SKIP AHEAD.
SO THIS IS OUR NEW IT'S BASED ON OUR OLD MERCURY REPORT.
BUT AGAIN THE PRINCIPLES ARE THE SAME.
THE ASSET REGISTER. THIS IS THE ASH SNAPSHOTS OF VARIOUS GRAPHS IN OUR ASSET REGISTRY.
SO YOU CAN SEE THIS IS OUR 50 YEAR PLAN.
THERE ARE SOME SPIKES IN THERE.
FOR EXAMPLE WHAT WE GOT COMING YEAR AFTER NEXT IS A FIRE UNIT.
IT'S 20 YEARS OLD. IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A $2 MILLION PURCHASE.
SO THIS IS A 50 YEAR SNAPSHOT, JUST TO SHOW COUNCIL THAT WE DO PLAN OUT THAT LONG.
BUT, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF OUR REPLACEMENT CYCLES.
OBVIOUSLY WE WILL MOVE UNITS AROUND TO REDUCE THESE SPIKES.
AND AGAIN, WE'LL SMOOTH THAT OUT OVER TIME.
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WHAT WE SHOULD BE CONTRIBUTING, TO FLEET ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.SO OVER THAT 50 YEAR SPAN, ALL OF THESE UNITS ARE INDEXED WITH INFLATION TO TRY TO KEEP TRACK AND KEEP MOVING THE FLEET MANAGEMENT FORWARD, AS BEST AS POSSIBLE.
SO JUST ANOTHER, BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE COUNCIL IS COMPLETELY FAMILIAR WITH ALL OF OUR, PRACTICES.
WE PUT THESE DOWN INTO LOWER USE OR SEASONAL USE.
SO IF IT'S STILL IN REASONABLE SHAPE, WE DO PUT THEM DOWN INTO SUMMER STUDENTS TRUCKS.
WE DON'T EVEN WE THEY TYPICALLY WE HAVE AN AUCTION EVERY FEW YEARS.
THEY USUALLY GO FOR 500 BUCKS.
SO, SO WE DO MAXIMIZE OUR FLEET AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
YEAH. SO THAT'S BASICALLY SUMMARIZING THIS SLIDE, AND JUST KIND OF HOW THE MERF FUNCTIONS.
IN THE MOST SIMPLISTIC TERMS, IT'S A LITTLE MORE COMPLEX THAN THIS, AS IS ASSET MANAGEMENT.
BUT IF YOU HAD A STANDARD DUTY, THIS IS REALLY OLD BECAUSE A LIGHT DUTY TRUCK NOW IS 80 GRAND.
BUT, THIS IS HOW MERF FUNDS ITSELF OR HOW WE GENERALLY FUND MERF.
RIGHT? BECAUSE WE WANT TO REPLACE THAT AT THE END OF ITS TEN YEAR CYCLE.
SO WE TRY TO PUT $4,000 A YEAR AWAY FOR THE EVENTUAL RECYCLE, REPLACEMENT CYCLE.
I'VE SPOKEN QUICKLY THROUGH THIS SLIDE DECK, BUT, YOU GET THE POINT.
AND THIS IS OBVIOUSLY AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC OR FUTURE CONSUMPTION.
I'M HAPPY TO WALK THROUGH ANY PARTS OF IT OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT THAT'S HOW YEAH, THAT'S HOW WE DEPLOY FLEET .
YEAH. SO OBVIOUSLY WE'VE SEEN CRAZY SPIKES IN INFLATION AND COST, ESPECIALLY FOR MOBILE EQUIPMENT.
SO IT DID SAY INFLATION ADJUSTED THERE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.
AND WE CERTAINLY PRIORITIZE AND LOOK VERY CLOSELY, AS MR. GREENCORN SAID, ABOUT HOW WE CAN MAXIMIZE THE OPTIMAL LIFESPAN.
I WOULD NOT SAY IT'S AS RESPONSIVE AS INFLATION IS.
WHAT WE DO IS, MY BEST EXAMPLE IS WE HAD, $210,000 BUDGETED FOR AN AMBULANCE, AND IT CAME IN AT 470.
SO THAT'S THE STANDARD GOING RATE.
AND OBVIOUSLY MERF CAN'T ACCOMMODATE THAT TYPE OF ESCALATION.
SO WHAT WE DO UNFORTUNATELY, IS WE DEFER IT THAT YEAR AND WE EXTEND IT TO ANOTHER YEAR.
AND THEN MERF CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT.
SO. IT GETS RIDICULOUSLY COMPLEX AND THE SHEET IS QUITE EXTENSIVE.
BUT WHEN WE START TO HAVE AND THERE'S LONG LEAD TIMES AS WELL.
SO IN COMBINATION OF DEFERRING IT, THERE'S ALSO SOMETIMES 380 400 DAY LEAD TIMES.
SO BUDGETS REALLY FLOW INTO THE NEXT YEAR AND THE NEXT YEAR.
SO THAT'S HOW WE TRY TO ACCOMMODATE LARGE SPIKES IN THAT.
IN SAYING THAT WE'RE ALSO PULLING INDUSTRY.
SO THIS YEAR, WE REACHED OUT AND WE GOT SOME ESTIMATES ON WHAT, AN AERIAL IS GOING TO COST.
WE HAD BUDGETED, I BELIEVE, IN PREVIOUS YEARS, 1.3.
RIGHT NOW IN 2025, WE'VE GOT ABOUT 1.9 BUDGETED.
ALL INDICATIONS IS THAT MIGHT COME IN AT 2.3.
SO I THINK I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
FLEET WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE A 7% INFLATION.
BUT WE DO ADJUST ACCORDINGLY TO TRY TO, LESSEN THAT BLOW, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION.
JUST OVER THE LAST SO 2022, FROM THE CAPITAL FUND TO MOBILE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT RESERVE, WAS 1.5 MILLION LAST YEAR, 2023 WAS 2.2 MILLION, AND THIS YEAR, 2.7 MILLION.
SO I GUESS JUST TO FOLLOW UP TO BOTH SORT OF QUESTIONS, ARE THESE SORT OF JUMPS $700,000 AND NOW $500,000 AGAIN THIS YEAR? IS THAT BASED ON NEW VEHICLES OR IS THIS JUST TRYING TO EVEN OUT OR CATCH UP WITH EITHER THE 10 OR 50 YEAR PLAN OR
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THE INFLATION WE'VE BEEN SEEING? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. I WILL ASK MR. GREENCORN IF HE WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND.SO IT WILL BOUNCE AROUND A LITTLE BIT DEPENDING.
BUT WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS THAT'S US TRYING TO SMOOTH THAT CURVE.
SO WE VARY WE DESIGNATE SPECIFIC FLEET UNITS.
SO FOR EXAMPLE THIS YEAR IT'S 2.097 MILLION.
AND THE YEAR AFTER IT DROPS DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
SO THAT'S HOW OUR FLEET DIVISION HAS BEST ALLOCATED RESOURCES FOR THAT YEAR BASED ON NOT ONLY THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE, BUT THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE IN THE QUEUE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
YEAH, I GUESS SO. SO, ARE WE PLANNING TO BUY ANY NEW VEHICLES THIS YEAR? MS. ADDITIONS TO THE FLEET.
AN EXPANSION SO BEYOND CURRENT SERVICE LEVELS.
THANKS FOR THE NEXT ANTICIPATED FUTURE WE DON'T PLAN ON EXPANDING FLEET AT ALL.
IT'S JUST STRICTLY THE REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING UNITS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE.
NEXT WE HAVE THE IT INFRASTRUCTURE RENEWAL WHICH AGAIN IS LIKE FLEET BUT IT'S ALL IT.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? SEEING NONE.
NEXT WE HAVE THE GOOD OLD LAGOON SLUDGE REMOVAL.
ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO BASED ON THE BUDGET QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ONLINE, THANK YOU FOR THOSE.
THIS PROJECT, WAS SAID TO BE NOW BETWEEN 12 AND 15 MILLION.
THE BUDGET GIVEN IN 2023 IS 11.5 MILLION.
AND THIS SORT OF ADDITIONAL MONEY, I CAN'T SEE BEING ALLOCATED IN 2025 OR 2026.
SO JUST WONDERING, IS THIS GOING TO BE THIS SORT OF EXTRA HALF TO $3.5 MILLION? IS THAT GOING TO BE SORT OF EXPECTED TO BE ADDED IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS THIS YEAR? SORT OF JUST TO COMMENT ON THAT.
MS. BASSI-KELLETT. I THINK COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN JUST LIKES SAYING SLUDGE REMOVAL.
SO THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE IS BASED ON A CONSULTING ENGINEERING REPORT ON THEIR BEST ADVICE ON HOW TO REMOVE THE SLUDGE FROM THE LAKE.
WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT ADVICE, BUT WE ARE CURRENTLY SEEKING, I GUESS, ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS BECAUSE OF COMPLEXITIES, GETTING POWER OUT THERE, JUST THE SHEER LOGISTICS ASSOCIATED WITH DREDGING THE BOTTOM OF THE LAGOON.
I AM GOING TO QUALIFY THAT WITH SAYING WE REALLY DON'T KNOW UNTIL WE ADVANCE A PLAN, A SOLID PLAN FORWARD AND GET THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE THAT'S NECESSARY TO ACTUALLY DESLUDGE THE LAGOON.
SO NOT ONLY DO YOU NEED ACCESS, WHICH IS NOT SUPER EASY TO DO, YOU NEED A LAY DOWN AREA.
YOU NEED AN EFFORT. YOU NEED AN AREA TO DE-WATER AND THEN DISPOSE OF.
WE DON'T HAVE A SOLID PLAN MOVING FORWARD FOR THE DISPOSAL OF SLUDGE.
WE'VE GOT SOME IDEAS SUCH AS INTERIM LANDFILL COVER.
SO. YEAH, I WOULD SAY THAT THE CURRENT BUDGET IS WHAT OUR BEST GUESS AT IT.
AND I HOPE THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ELABORATE FURTHER IF I'VE MISSED THE POINT.
YEAH. ANOTHER COMPLICATED PROJECT, I THINK SORT OF WHAT I'M GETTING AT HERE IS THAT, YEAH.
LIKE, WE SHOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF THERE'S SOME MORE MONEY NEEDED HERE.
IS THAT CORRECT? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. MR. GREENCORN. WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED, BUT I THINK THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY CARRIED OVER AND ALLOCATED IS ADEQUATE FOR AT LEAST THREE YEARS.
ALL INDICATIONS IS THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE BECAUSE OUR SUMMER IS VERY LIMITED AND HOPEFULLY IT'S NOT AS LIMITED AS LAST SUMMER, BUT, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 3 TO 5 YEARS TO COMPLETELY DESLUDGE.
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AND THEN OUR KIDS GET TO DEAL WITH THIS IN ANOTHER 4 YEARS.SO WE'RE LOOKING AT FUTURE PLANS.
BUT I BELIEVE AT THIS POINT, IF WE NEED MORE MONEY, I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT COMING TO COUNCIL.
NOT FOR ANOTHER AT LEAST THREE YEARS.
WE'RE GOING TO PARKING LOT THAT ONE, BECAUSE THE DIRECTOR IS NOT HERE.
SO NEXT WE HAVE LIFT STATION NUMBER ONE REPLACEMENT.
ANY QUESTIONS OR MOTIONS? SEEING NONE.
NEXT, WE HAVE A NEW LANDFILL SLASH LANDFILL EXPANSION.
THE NEXT IS THE NIVEN LAKE TRAIL SLUDGE.
WE NO LONGER NEED THIS FUNDING.
SO, IF COUNCIL IS IN SUPPORT, WE CAN, CUT THIS PROJECT.
COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH. IS THIS PART OF THE 1.9 MILLION FOR THE NIVEN LAKE? YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT.
MS. BASSI-KELLETT. DID YOU WANT TO ELABORATE? SURE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY RECALL THAT THERE WAS A RESIDENT THAT HAD ALERTED US TO SOME, CURIOUS, QUESTIONABLE LOOKING, MATERIAL THAT WAS, JUST AROUND THE NIVEN LAKE AREA WHERE THE START OF THE TRAIL IS, THE CITY, GOT OUR REGULATORS INVOLVED RIGHT AWAY TO HAVE THIS TESTED.
WHILE THIS WAS GOING ON, WE WERE BUILDING THE CAPITAL PLAN.
SO WE HAD, OUR, OUR PREVIOUS MANAGER OF BUDGETING HAD BEEN PROACTIVE AND WAS TRYING TO BE PRUDENT BY PUTTING SOME BUDGET, TOWARDS THIS.
THIS WAS ALREADY IN THE DOCUMENT.
IF I CAN GET A MOTION TO CUT THIS? MOVED BY COUNCILLOR COCHRANE. SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR MCGURK.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON IT? SEEING NONE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AND THAT CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
NEXT WE HAVE OUTDOOR RECREATION.
ANY QUESTIONS OR MOTIONS? COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN.
JUST RELATED TO THE NIVEN LAKE TRAIL.
MR. WHITE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THERE'S $250,000 ALLOCATED TO THE PAVING OF THE TRAIL.
OKAY. AND THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY NEXT QUESTION WAS HOW MUCH OR WAS IT RESURFACING? DID THAT MEAN PAVING? SO THAT'S THE ANSWER IS YES.
DOES ADMINISTRATION HAVE ANY CONCERNS AROUND BECAUSE I KNOW SEVERAL FRIENDS AND WHO ARE ENGINEERS IN TOWN AND WHO'VE ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT THAT AREA BEING AND I KNOW IT'S THE FRIEND THING, SO I'M HAPPY TO BE CHECKED.
BUT OUR, YOU KNOW, HAVE CONCERNS AROUND NIVEN LAKE AND THE HEAVING AND THAWING AND FREEZING AND ALL THAT KIND OF FUN STUFF AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE WOULD BE R EAL MAINTENANCE ISSUES AROUND NIVEN LAKE AND PAVING IT IN THE LONG RUN.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE TRAIL HAS TWO WOODEN BRIDGES.
NEITHER OF THEM ARE WILDLY ACCESSIBLE AND THEN OF THEMSELVES TO BEGIN WITH.
IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE STEEP BRIDGE, IT'S AND, YOU KNOW THEY'RE WONDERFUL AMENITIES.
IS $250,000 WORTH IT FOR THIS? SO, I GUESS ONE I GUESS A QUESTION FOR ADMIN.
CAN YOU CHECK ME ON, ARE YOU DO YOU HAVE CONCERNS ON THE MAINTENANCE PIECE? AND THEN I'LL MAYBE OPEN UP TO MY COLLEAGUES TO SEE WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.
THANKS, MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE DO ANTICIPATE SOME, WE JUST CAN'T SAY HOW MUCH MAINTENANCE IS GOING TO BE REQUIRED O NGOING.
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THANKS. THANKS FOR THAT RESPONSE.I GUESS FOR MY COLLEAGUES, THERE'S FOR CONSIDERATION IS LIKE, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY COULD KNOCK ME FOR BEING ONE, FOR NOT BEING SUPPORTIVE OF TRAILS AND OUTDOOR AMENITIES IN OUR CITY.
I JUST THINK FOR THIS YEAR, LOOKING AT THE ACCESSIBILITY OF THAT TRAIL IN TOTAL, I'D LIKE TO HEAR MAYBE WHAT YOU THINK, BUT I WOULD BE WILLING TO PUT FORWARD A MOTION TO STRIKE THE $250,000. LET'S PUT IT ON THE FLOOR, TO CUT 250.
SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR FEQUET.
OPENING IT UP TO, I THINK YOU'VE YOU'VE ELABORATED ENOUGH.
WAS THE SURFACE OR THIS TRAIL IN PARTICULAR FLAGGED AS PART OF EITHER THE ACCESSIBILITY COMMITTEE'S WORK OR THE ACCESSIBILITY IMPLEMENTATION PLAN? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. MR. WHITE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IT HASN'T BEEN RAISED YET TO THE, COMMITTEE.
I THINK WE'VE ONLY HAD ONE MEETING.
YEAH. IF IT HASN'T BEEN FLAGGED EITHER BY THE PROJECTS WE'RE TRYING TO DO UNDER ACCESSIBILITY, THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN OR BY THE COMMITTEE, I'D BE IN FAVOR OF STRIKING IT.
YEAH, IT HASN'T BEEN INCLUDED.
SO COUNCILLOR OR HASN'T BEEN RECOMMENDED THROUGH THE ACCESSIBILITY COUNCILLOR MCGURK.
YEAH, I LIVE REALLY CLOSE TO THERE.
I'M ACTUALLY WONDERING, WHAT IS IT? SO IT'S SPECIFICALLY THE WE'RE TRYING TO BRING IT TO THE SAME STANDARD AS THE FRIENDLY TRAIL.
IS THERE A SPECIFIC POLICY OR SOMETHING THAT IS TRIGGERED THAT, OR WE JUST THINK THAT IT'S A GOOD I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS WHERE ADMIN IS COMING FROM IN PROPOSING THIS.
MS. BASSI-KELLETT. MR. WHITE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANKS. WAS THIS PARTICULAR TRAIL? YEAH. SORRY.
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO WORD THIS QUESTION.
I'VE JUST SEEN PEOPLE WITH STROLLERS RUNNING ON THAT TRAIL.
IT'S VERY FLAT, LIKE IN TERMS OF GRAVEL TRAILS THAT WE HAVE.
ARE THERE OTHER TRAILS THAT COULD POSSIBLY NEED MORE WORK? LIKE, I GUESS I'M, I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF EXPANDING TRAIL NETWORKS, AND THIS TRAIL SEEMS LIKE ONE THAT DOESN'T THAT IS FAIRLY ACCESSIBLE FOR WHAT IT IS. YEAH.
THE BRIDGES? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. MR. WHITE.
THANKS. AND FOLLOWING UP FROM COUNCILLOR MCGURK'S POINT.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A TRAIL THAT'S ALREADY PRETTY ACCESSIBLE.
IS THERE OTHER HIGHER PRIORITIES THAT, COMMUNITY SERVICE DEPARTMENT HAS IDENTIFIED THAT, SHOULD THAT, IN ITS OPINION, COULD TAKE PRIORITY OVER THIS WORK? BECAUSE $250,000 IS OBVIOUSLY A PRETTY BIG CHUNK OF CHANGE.
I ALSO THINK BORDEN IS CONNECTED, BUT IT COULD BE BETTER CONNECTED.
IT DOESN'T GO ACROSS CITY PROPERTY.
THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT POINT.
THAT LITTLE WOODEN FOOTBRIDGE IS A GNWT ASSET BY, BEHIND THE FRAME LAKE MEDICAL CLINIC.
MR. WHITE, ANYTHING TO ADD TO IN TERMS OF OTHER OPTIONS? THANK YOU, NO WE'RE WE'RE BRINGING PROJECTS FORWARD.
WE LOOKED AT, SOME GUIDING PRINCIPLES IN THE ACCESSIBILITY AUDIT, AND WE WERE NOT LOOKING AT ANYTHING THAT WOULD TAKE RESOURCES OVER AND ABOVE WHAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED. THANKS.
COUNCILLOR COCHRANE. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
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MS. BASSI-KELLETT.FOR MYSELF, I AM IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION.
I WAS WHEN I WAS READING, IT WAS REALLY CLEAR THAT NOT ALL TRAILS HAD TO BE, FULLY ACCESSIBLE.
WE JUST HAD TO NOTIFY PEOPLE ON THE ACCESSIBILITY DEGREE.
AND THIS ONE IS A GOOD GRAVEL TRAIL.
AND IN THE WINTER, IT'S A GOOD HARD PACKS TRAIL.
PAVING, I THINK, IS GOING TO CAUSE MORE [INAUDIBLE] AND CONSTANT O&M.
SO I THINK IT COMES WITH MORE HEADACHES THAN, WHEN IT'S PAVED.
SO FOR ME, I'M IN SUPPORT OF OF THE CUT.
ANYTHING FURTHER? SEEING NONE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AND THAT CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
WITH THAT, WE'VE REACHED OUR 90 MINUTE MARK.
SO LET'S TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK AND COME BACK AT 7:16 P.M..
AND I'LL CALL OUR MEETING BACK TO ORDER.
DID WE HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER ON OUTDOOR RECREATION? SEEING NONE.
ANY QUESTIONS OR MOTIONS? COUNCILLOR COCHRANE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
WILL THERE PERHAPS BE A SKATE PARK INVOLVED WITH THAT? THE ULTIMATE DREAM OF EVERY YOUTH.
MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE KNOW THE SKATE PARK IS MUCH LOVED.
I'LL ASK MR. WHITE IF HE'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS.
THIS PROJECT IS FOR THE REHAB OF THE ASPHALT ON THE MULTI-USE OR MULTI SPORT MULTI-USE PAD.
THERE'S NO NO ADDITIONAL OR NO, WORK BEING DONE ON THE SKATEBOARD PARK THIS YEAR.
A COUNCILLOR COULD HAVE DREAMED, I GUESS SO, THANK YOU.
YOU CAN ADD, TO THE NEXT BUDGET THERE.
THANKS, MADAM CHAIR. SO JUST TO CONFIRM.
SO THE WHOLE, PARK EQUIPMENT IS BEING REPLACED.
MS. BASSI-KELLETT. MR. WHITE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO THE THREE PROJECTS THAT ARE, LINED UP FOR THIS, 2024 WOULD BE THE, SAINT JOE.
WE CALL IT THE SAINT JOE'S ZONE BECAUSE IT'S THE ADJACENT.
IT'S ACTUALLY A CITY FACILITY.
SO IT'S THE ASPHALT PAD AT [INAUDIBLE] ASPHALT PAD AT THE SAINT JOE'S, AND THE ADDITION OF PARK EQUIPMENT AT HALL CRESCENT.
AND JUST TO CONFIRM, WHAT WILL BE OUR APPROACH WITH RESPECT TO ENGAGING THE RESIDENTS IN THESE AREAS PRIOR TO REPLACEMENT? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. MR. WHITE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THE FOLKS AROUND THE HALL CRESCENT PARK HAVE BEEN CONSULTED.
AND THEY WERE ADVISED AND THEY GAVE US A LOT OF INPUT AS TO WHAT THEY WANTED IN THEIR PARK.
THE RETROFITS, WE WOULD CERTAINLY LET THE SCHOOL, KNOW WHEN THAT WORK IS BEING DONE.
AND THEN USUALLY, THERE WOULD BE A NOTICE POSTED ON THE PARK THAT IS NOT, DIRECTLY, I GUESS, BY ANY KIND OF THE INSTITUTIONS THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED. THANKS.
NEXT WE HAVE THE PATCHING PROGRAM.
NEXT WE HAVE THE SITE RESTORATION/LANDFILL CLOSURE.
ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.
SORRY. AGAIN. I THINK I'M, YEAH.
JUST MOVING BETWEEN ALL THE DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS.
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS IS AGAIN IN THE APPENDIX, AND MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE ASKED THIS IN THE CARRYFORWARD DISCUSSION OF WHAT THE RUTH INCH MEMORIAL POOL AND THE SORT OF RIGHT UP THERE IS THIS A GOOD TIME TO ASK ABOUT THAT ONE? YES, WE CAN GO BACK TO THAT ONE.
SO CAPITAL CARRYFORWARD RUTH INCH MEMORIAL POOL.
FEASIBILITY OR STRUCTURAL? I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE.
YEAH, YEAH, THE STRUCTURAL ASSESSMENT.
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YEAH, JUST FROM THE APPENDIX.AND I'M JUST CURIOUS, LIKE, IS THE SORT OF LONG TERM PLAN HERE FOR THE CITY TO PAY TO REPURPOSE THE BUILDING AND THEN OPERATE IT, THE CITY TO OPERATE IT AS A DIFFERENT FUNCTION OR JUST, YEAH.
WHAT'S SOME CLARITY ON THE SORT OF LONG TERM VISION HERE.
TO BE DETERMINED THROUGH THIS WORK, I BELIEVE? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
AND SO OF COURSE, PUTTING AN ASSET MANAGEMENT LENS ON THIS, WE WOULD BE VERY, MY ADVICE AND RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE WE DON'T WANT TO EXPAND THE COMPLEMENT OF ASSETS THE CITY OWNS, UNLESS WE HAVE A VERY CLEAR PLAN ABOUT HOW WE OPERATE, HOW WE MAINTAIN, AND HOW WE PLAN FOR END OF LIFE AND ONGOING RENEWAL.
SO WOULD IT BE SOMETHING THAT WE KEEP AS PART OF THE CITY COMPLEMENT OF ASSETS? THERE MIGHT BE SOME CREATIVE IDEAS OUT THERE.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE LIBRARY WHERE IT CURRENTLY IS, WHICH IS VERY TUCKED AWAY AND OUT OF, THE MAIN LINE OF SIGHT OF MUCH OF THE COMMUNITY, WOULD THE LIBRARY FIT THERE? IF SO, WOULD WE NEED TO SELL THE EXISTING LIBRARY SPACE? THERE COULD BE LOTS OF OPTIONS LIKE THAT, BUT DEFINITELY WE DIDN'T.
NOW, HAVING SAID THAT, WOULD WE WANT TO SELL THAT BUILDING? LET'S WAIT AND SEE WHAT THE REPORT SAYS.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SITE RESTORATION AND LANDFILL CLOSURE.
ANY QUESTIONS OR MOTIONS? SEEING NONE.
NEXT WE HAVE THE STRATEGIC WASTE MANAGEMENT PLAN UPDATES.
ANY QUESTIONS OR MOTIONS? COUNCILLOR FEQUET. THANKS, MADAM CHAIR.
JUST DOUBLE CHECKING THE $50,000.
I UNDERSTAND. AND THANKS FOR THE Q AND A ON THIS.
IS IT ABOUT, CHANGES THAT ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTED, LIKE OUR RECYCLING APPROACH OR, AND THE DROP OFF AREAS, OR IS IT ACTUALLY ABOUT THE UPDATING THE PLAN? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. MR. GREENCORN. THANKS.
SO THIS IS UPDATING, BASICALLY THE 2018 PLAN FOR CURRENT MARKET CONDITIONS.
MARKET. AND THE BOTTOM KIND OF FELL OUT THAT WORLDWIDE WITH SOMETHING SWORD NATIONAL SWORD INITIATIVES OUT OF CHINA AND THINGS LIKE OR LACK OF SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS WE WANT TO TAKE OUR CURRENT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, GO BACK TO SONNEVERA , WHO IS THE EXPERT IN THE FIELD AND PRODUCED A FANTASTIC DOCUMENT.
AND JUST WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE EFFORTS THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN, BOTH FINANCIALLY AND STAFF WISE, ARE GOING TO BEAR FRUIT AND PROVIDE US WITH THE BEST DIVERSION GOALS POSSIBLE.
SO BASICALLY, THIS IS, JUST AN UPDATE FOR THAT.
I DON'T BELIEVE IT'LL COVER THE FULL 50,000.
AND TO UP THAT DIVERSION RATE, HOPE TO REACH THAT.
OUR 50% DIVERSION RATE BY 2030.
PERFECT. THANK YOU. SEEING NOTHING FURTHER.
CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT SORT OF THE OPTIONS ARE TO ADAPT TO THE CHANGING CONDITIONS AND, YEAH.
JUST CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT COMES OUT OF THAT AND, YEAH, THAT'S IT.
NEXT WE HAVE THE SURFACE REPLACEMENT.
SO THIS IS THE TURF FIELD HOUSE REPLACEMENT.
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SEEING NONE.NEXT WE HAVE THE SUBMARINE WATERLINE REPLACEMENTS.
ANY QUESTIONS OR MOTIONS? I CAN MAKE ONE. SURE.
COUNCILLOR FEQUET. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO STRIKE THE $1 MILLION FROM THIS, UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S ABOUT 2.5 MILLION CARRYOVER.
AND THE ACTIVITIES RIGHT NOW REGARDING THIS ARE SOME ONGOING, BUT THEY'RE FAIRLY LIMITED.
SO THE CARRYOVER IS MORE THAN ENOUGH TO COVER COVER THOSE ONGOING ACTIVITIES.
THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A SECONDER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
THE OTHER THING I WOULD NOTE WITH THIS WAS THAT WE WERE TRYING TO PUT MONEY ASIDE A LITTLE BIT BY A LITTLE BIT TILL WE GOT TO THE END, AND NOW THE PROJECT'S BEEN PUSHED A LITTLE BIT, SO WE'VE ACTUALLY STARTED SAVING EARLIER THAN WE WOULD HAVE.
SO I AM IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION TO THE MOTION TO STRIKE THE MILLION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.
NEXT WE HAVE THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS, VIDEO DETECTION EQUIPMENT.
ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.
YEAH. WHERE IS THIS GOING? AND IS THIS UPGRADES, OR IS THIS NEW, TECH.
MS. BASSI-KELLETT. MR. GREENCORN, THANKS FOR THE QUESTION.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE TWO INTERSECTIONS LEFT TO EQUIP WITH, AUTO SCOPE DETECTION.
SO IT'S BASICALLY FINISHING OUT, THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS OF A TEN YEAR PLAN.
ANYTHING FURTHER? SEEING NONE.
NEXT WE HAVE WTP FLOCCULANT STUDY.
YEAH, I PREFER THE SLUDGE REMOVAL.
SEEING NO QUESTIONS OR MOTIONS.
NEXT WE HAVE WATER AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE REPLACEMENT.
ANY QUESTIONS OR MOTIONS? SEEING NONE.
NEXT WE HAVE THE WATER LICENSE SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT.
NEXT WE HAVE THE WEIGH-OUT SCALE AT THE SOLID WASTE FACILITY.
ANY QUESTIONS OR MOTIONS? COUNCILLOR WARBURTON THEN COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MAYBE A BIT OF, BACKGROUND.
I SEE THE FUNDING IS IN THE WRITE UP THERE, BUT, KIND OF WHAT IS THIS ACHIEVING, I GUESS, BY PUTTING THIS IN, LIKE, WHAT IS THE BENEFIT, TO US, I GUESS OTHER RETURN ON INVESTMENT HERE, OR IN TRACKING THE WEIGHT IN AND OUT.
THANKS. THIS THING HAS BEEN A THORN IN MY SIDE FOR THE BETTER PART OF FIVE YEARS.
WE WERE TRYING TO GET IT IN THE GROUND.
IT GIVES AN ACTUAL MEASUREMENT OF, BOTH WASTE COMING IN.
AND FRANKLY, IF THERE'S WASTE COMING OUT.
IT ALSO IF YOU, REFER TO OUR FEES AND CHARGES, THERE ARE A MULTIPLE TARE WEIGHTS FOR DIFFERENT SIZED TRUCKS THAT CAN BE MANIPULATED I N VARIOUS WAYS.
I GUESS POTENTIAL MECHANISM FOR UNTOWARD THINGS.
NOT SAYING ANYBODY DOES THAT, BUT, LOOPHOLES OR LOOPHOLES.
SO, IT ALSO ALLOWS US TO IMPLEMENT THINGS SUCH AS DIFFERENTIAL TIPPING FEES AND START TO MAKE SOME CHANGES TO HOW WE MANAGE WASTE IN TERMS OF, I GUESS, BY WHAT I MEAN BY DIFFERENTIAL TIPPING FEES IS, START CHARGING TONNAGE FOR MIXED LOADS OR SORTED LOADS AND START TO ENFORCE THAT, I GUESS, DIVERSION CULTURE AND START TO DIVERT AS MUCH WASTE AWAY FROM THE LANDFILL AS POSSIBLE.
AND IT'S EASIER TO DO WHEN YOU HAVE THE WAY, WAY IN, WAY OUT, INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND AGAIN, IT'S TYPICAL ALL THROUGHOUT LANDFILLS.
SO THIS IS JUST KIND OF MODERNIZING US, WHILE REALIZING THE BENEFITS OF A WEIGH OUT SCALE.
IT'S ALL RUN BY THE SAME GATE PERSON.
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STAFFING HAS ALREADY BEEN CONTEMPLATED IN PAST BUDGETS, SO IT'S NOT AN ISSUE.YEAH, MAYBE YOU JUST ANSWERED THAT SORT OF OPERATIONALLY, ONCE THIS IS IN PLACE, IS IT SORT OF A COST NEUTRAL? WOULD IT BE AN OPERATIONAL COST OR ADDITIONAL REVENUE AVAILABLE WITH THE SCALE? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. MR. GREENCORN. THAT'S I WOULD BE REMISS TO SAY IT'S COST.
I WOULD HAVE TO DO SOME THINKING INTO THAT.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN LOADS UP YOUR TRUCK AND TRAILER AND GOES INTO THE LANDFILL RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE BEING CHARGED 15 BUCKS AND WHATEVER SURCHARGE ITEMS. IF YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE A DISHWASHER, WHAT IT DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR IS TOTAL TONNAGE, RIGHT? SO WE WANT TO ACCURATELY MEASURE THAT PART OF THE SOLID WASTE STRATEGIC WASTE PLAN IS WE'RE ESTIMATING IT'S ROUGHLY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN TWO 5200 AND 250 BUCKS A CUBIC METER. BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE.
SO YOU CAN'T REALLY MANAGE WHAT YOU DON'T MEASURE.
SO THIS IS A I GUESS, AN ATTEMPT TO DO THAT AND MORE ACCURATELY TRACK WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING IN OUR LANDFILL AND, ADDRESS COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AFTERWARDS.
RIGHT ON. YEAH, IT MAKES SENSE.
AND JUST IN THE DOCUMENT, 75% FUNDING UNDER ICIP AGREEMENT.
AND IS THIS SORT OF ADDITIONAL MONEY JUST SORT OF COST INFLATION OR WAS THIS ALWAYS ANTICIPATED.
YEAH, I SUPPOSE FEDERAL FUNDING.
THIS IS TOTAL. IT'S JUST HOW WE, DO IT IN OUR BUDGET.
SO OUR PORTION WOULD BE 25% OF THIS.
WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN OBTAINING ICIP FUNDING THROUGH THE FEDS.
IT'S UNDER THE GUISE OF THE OVERALL STRATEGIC WASTE MANAGEMENT PLAN.
SO LUCKILY THIS HAS BEEN INCLUDED.
WE WERE UNSUCCESSFUL AT A PREVIOUS INSTALLATION FOR VARIOUS REASONS, AND THIS IS CONTEMPLATING, I GUESS, REDESIGN AND 2024 CONSTRUCTION, AS IT WERE.
LET ME START BY SAYING THIS IS SO EXCITING TO ME.
I THINK I'M REALLY HAPPY ABOUT IT.
WE'LL BE TRACKING, LIKE, SPECIFICALLY SALVAGED.
LIKE, I GUESS I'M REALLY CURIOUS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE'LL BE TRACKING DATA OF WHAT'S PULLED OUT OF THE DUMP AND WHETHER WE'LL BE TRACKING IT ON THE BASIS OF SOMEONE COMING IN SAYING THEY'RE SALVAGING AND THEN WHAT THEY ARE LEAVING WITH, OR IF WE'RE JUST GOING TO BE TRACKING VOLUME OUT.
MS. BASSI-KELLETT. I HAVE LEARNED THE LONG AND HARD WAY FROM THE ENGINEERS AT THE CITY T HAT SALVAGE IS A UNIQUE TO YELLOWKNIFE PORTION OF HOW WE RUN THINGS, BUT IT ISN'T NECESSARILY A GOOD BUSINESS PRACTICE FOR RUNNING A SOLID WASTE FACILITY.
ARE YOU PROUD OF ME NOW, MR. GREENCORN? HAVE YOU BEATEN IT OUT OF ME? ALL RIGHT, OVER TO YOU, MR. GREENCORN. I'M SUPER PROUD.
WE JUST WE JUST PROMOTE SAFETY WHEN DOING IT, THAT'S ALL.
YES. SO WHAT WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH IS THE FEE STRUCTURE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
IF THERE IS ONE, OF COURSE, WHICH COUNCIL WILL GET TO WEIGH IN ON.
I JUST. YEAH. I WANT TO KNOW SOMETHING CLEAR THAT I AM VERY EXCITED ALSO BECAUSE OF THE ABILITY TO, ESPECIALLY WITH THE DIFFERENTIATING LOADS, IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY GOOD, I THINK AT COST SAVING, GENERALLY SPEAKING.
SO WE ALREADY HAVE THE SCALE BOUGHT, RIGHT? LIKE WE'VE PURCHASED THAT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.
YES. WHEN MR. GREENCORN TALKS ABOUT A LONG PROCESS, THERE WERE SOME INS AND OUTS TO THIS.
BUT YES. SO THE 1.65 THAT'S JUST THE INSULATION AND THE NEWGATE HILLS MS.
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BASSI-KELLETT. MR. GREENCORN. THAT WOULD INCLUDE UPDATING THE DESIGN, MAKING SURE IT'S UP TO CODE.THE ENGINEERING AND THE SITE, MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
WE CALL IT RESIDENT ENGINEERING FEES.
SO WHOEVER OUR CONSULTANT WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF PROJECT MANAGING THAT THE GATEHOUSE AND THE INSTALLATION AND PROBABLY SOME CIVIL WORK ROAD WORK, HOPEFULLY NO BLASTING, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY ROCK IN THE AREA.
THANK YOU. THIS IS JUST A QUESTION NOW, WHEN IT COMES TO, HOW WE CHARGE.
SO YOU TALKED ABOUT THE WEIGHT OF THINGS.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THREE TONS OF SHINGLES DOESN'T TAKE UP A WHOLE LOT OF ROOM.
THREE TONS OF MATTRESSES THAT TAKES UP AN AWFUL LOT OF ROOM.
SO, LIKE, HOW DO YOU, I WOULD IMAGINE, TO PUT SHINGLES IN A LANDFILL? IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT CHEAPER THAN STICKING MATTRESSES IN.
SO WE'RE OBVIOUSLY WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS DIFFERENTLY.
WE'RE NOT JUST LOOKING AT, THE WEIGHT OF THE TRUCKS GOING IN AND OUT.
THINKING ABOUT THAT POTENTIAL AS WELL.
YEAH, I THINK FOR THE FEES AND CHARGES BYLAW, THEY'LL STILL BE THE COMPONENT WHERE IT'S LIKE A WHITE APPLIANCE OR THIS OR THAT HAS A DIFFERENT IT WON'T STRICTLY BE LIKE TONNAGE, BUT MATTRESSES ARE THE BANE OF A LANDFILLS EXISTENCE, THAT'S FOR SURE.
MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND I'M SO IMPRESSED WITH THE WORK THAT MR. GREENCORN AND HIS TEAM HAVE DONE ABOUT LOOKING AT CREATIVE OPTIONS AROUND MATTRESSES, BUT I WILL ASK HIM IF HE'D LIKE TO ADD TO THAT.
SURE, YEAH. WE'RE ALWAYS UPDATING AND, LOOKING AT OUR FEE STRUCTURE.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S TAKE MATTRESSES.
WHAT WE DO IS WE ACCUMULATE THOSE OVER TIME.
AND WE, WE WE'VE HISTORICALLY UNDERTAKEN IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE ACCUMULATION IS.
SO THAT'S HOW WE COME UP WITH A FEE ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
WHAT WE'RE DOING, WHAT WE'RE ALSO DOING NOW IS LOOKING AT DIFFERENT, PARTNERSHIPS WITH VARIOUS, INTERESTED ENTITIES AROUND TOWN TO NOT ACCEPT THAT STUFF OR THOSE TYPES OF WASTE AT THE LANDFILL AT ALL.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, SCRAP STEEL, WE LIKE TO, RELY ON OUR PARTNERS AT PRECISION NORTH AND ENGLE.
SO WE DIVERT AS MUCH SCRAP STEEL AWAY FROM THE LANDFILL AS POSSIBLE.
SIMILAR WE'RE LOOKING AT ARRANGEMENTS WITH CONCRETE AND ASPHALT.
SO CONCRETE CURRENTLY WILL GO TO, CR ENTERPRISES HAS TAKEN SOME.
HE CRUSHES IT. HE REUSES IT FOR WHATEVER PURPOSE HE SEES FIT.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO DIVERT AS MUCH AS WE CAN SO THAT WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO TOUCH IT.
BUT OF COURSE, THERE'S ALWAYS STUFF LIKE WE CAN'T GET AWAY FROM THAT ON THE LARGE SCALE, BUT, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT DIFFERENT WAYS TO, BOTH UPDATE OUR COSTS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ACCURATELY ACCOUNTING FOR WHAT IT COSTS AND KEEPING IT OUT OF THE LANDFILL COMPLETELY, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND I THINK IT'LL BE A BIG WASTE YEAR.
I DON'T WANT TO TIP MY HAND TOO MUCH JUST IN CASE SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENS IN 2024.
BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE WE'LL BE BRINGING FORWARD SOME, SOME PRETTY INTERESTING INFORMATION AND POTENTIAL PARTNERSHIPS MOVING FORWARD IN THE WASTE SECTOR. THANKS.
WITH THAT, SEEING NOTHING FURTHER.
LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WETLAND DELINEATION AND, GREAT SLAVE LAKE MONITORING.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE OR MOTIONS? SEEING NONE MARK THAT AS DONE AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO O&M. WE'LL START OFF WITH OURSELVES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
GET THE HARD STUFF OUT OF THE WAY.
WHICH IS PAGE 27 OF THE BUDGET.
SO I WILL JUST BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S ALWAYS QUESTIONS ABOUT EXPENDITURES BY ACTIVITY AND EXPENDITURES BY OBJECT AND EXPENDITURES BY ACTIVITY IS BASICALLY THE TOTAL OF OBJECTS DIVIDED BY HOW WE SPEND OUR TIME.
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COMMUNICATIONS, AND THEN STRATEGIC PLANNING.WE CONTINUE MOVING ON THAT FILE.
SO THE SAME THING WITH ALL DIVISIONS THAT YOU'LL SEE IS THERE'S A NUMBER THAT WILL HAVE LEGISLATION AND GOVERNANCE BECAUSE STAFF WORK ON LEGISLATION AND GOVERNANCE THROUGHOUT THEIR DAY. THEY DON'T REALLY CONSULT THE BUDGET TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR WEEK IS SCHEDULED LIKE THAT.
SO I TEND TO FOCUS A LOT ON BY OBJECTS, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO, A REDUCTION IN COSTS OR IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO AN ADDITION OR MODIFY, IT WOULD BE MORE BY THE OBJECT OF WAGES AND BENEFITS OR GENERAL SERVICES OR MATERIALS.
YOU WOULDN'T BE LIKE MAKING A REDUCTION OR MODIFYING THE EXPENDITURE BY ACTIVITY, BECAUSE THEN WE'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT, ARE YOU LOOKING TO REDUCE WAGES, ARE YOU LOOKING TO INCREASE THEM, ETC., ETC..
SO WITH THAT BIG PREAMBLE, ANY QUESTIONS OR MOTIONS FOR MAYOR AND COUNCIL? COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND JUST A QUESTION FOR CLARITY ON MY SAKE.
FIRST, I SORT OF ASKED THIS ONE LAST MINUTE, SO I'M NOT SURE IF ADMIN SORT OF HAS AN ANSWER OR NOT.
IN REGARDS TO THE SENIORS AND DISABLED PERSONS TAX EXEMPTION IS THAT AMOUNT THAT GOES TO THAT TAX EXEMPTION COUNTED AS GRANTS AGAINST OUR 2% CAP OR NOT? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.
AND, MR. PANDOO AND HIS TEAM LOOKED INTO IT TODAY.
AND NO, IT IS NOT USED AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
AND DO WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT IN TERMS OF, COMMUNITY GRANTS VERSUS THAT 2% CAP? MISS MS. BASSI-KELLETT.
SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MR. PANDOO. HE AND HIS TEAM HAVE BEEN DOING SOME ANALYSIS ON THIS, AND I THINK COUNCIL WILL BE PLEASED WITH THE OUTCOME OF HIS RECOMMENDATION.
THANK YOU, MS. BASSI-KELLETT. GOOD AFTERNOON OR GOOD EVENING COMMITTEE.
CURRENTLY WE ARE AT 0.88%, SO WELL BELOW THE 2% THAT'S PRESCRIBED.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YEAH. SO I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE A MOTION, TO INCREASE COMMUNITY GRANT FUNDING BY $100,000 FROM $468,000 TO $568,000. THANK YOU.
DO WE HAVE A SECONDER? SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR FEQUET.
COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE MOTION.
AND AS WE ALL KNOW, THESE ORGANIZATIONS, JUST LIKE THE CITY AND JUST LIKE US AS INDIVIDUALS, HAVE BEEN UNDER THE SAME INFLATION, STAFFING PRESSURES AS ALL OF US.
YEAH. JUST TO BE REALISTIC ABOUT THE PRESSURES THESE ORGANIZATIONS ARE UNDER TO CONTINUE TO HELP, ALLOW THEIR GREAT WORK TO CONTINUE. THANK YOU.
COUNCILLOR FEQUET. THANKS, MADAM CHAIR.
AND ECHOING EVERYTHING COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN SAID, I MEAN, THE MAIN REASON I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS MOTION IS BECAUSE ONE OF OUR PRINCIPLES THAT WE DISCUSSED IS HOW GREAT THIS COMMUNITY IS AND HOW MANY GREAT ORGANIZATIONS CONTRIBUTE TO IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE CHOSE AMPLIFYING OTHERS.
THE CITY ENABLES RESIDENTS AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS TO MEET OUR DIVERSE COMMUNITY NEEDS.
RECOGNIZING SOME OF THE MONEY WE JUST SHAVED OFF THE TOP.
SO THAT'S WHY I'D BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS MOTION.
THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. JUST A QUESTION ABOUT, ALLOCATION.
I KNOW, MAYBE IT'S NOT A BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS.
IS IT JUST ANY NONPROFIT CAN APPLY FOR GRANTS OR, LIKE, WHAT'S THE QUANTIFIER ON WHO QUALIFIES AND NOT? THEY HAVE TO BE A NOT FOR PROFIT IN GOOD STANDING WITH THE CITY AND DELIVER SERVICES TO RESIDENTS OF YELLOWKNIFE.
AND THE EVENT HAS TO HAPPEN IN YELLOWKNIFE.
AND THEN YOU CAN'T USE MONEY FOR PRIZES, ETC..
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BUT TERRITORIAL ORGANIZATIONS.SO FOR EXAMPLE, NAC, ALTHOUGH THEY DELIVER PROGRAMING OUTSIDE OF YELLOWKNIFE, THEY HAVE STUFF IN YELLOWKNIFE AND SAME WITH LIKE THE NWT DISABILITIES COUNCIL DOES STUFF OUTSIDE, BUT THE MONEY HAS TO STAY HERE AND BENEFIT YELLOWKNIVERS.
BUT IT'S PRETTY BROAD IN WHAT YOU COULD USE YOUR FUNDING FOR.
MS. BASSI-KELLETT ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD FROM ADMIN? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NO, I THINK YOU'VE SUMMED IT UP REALLY WELL.
SO I GUESS SO THE MEANS TESTING IS THE GRANT REVIEW COMMITTEE, RIGHT.
LIKE, SO THEY'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT WHO COULD USE IT BEST.
THAT'S THE METRIC FOR MEANS TESTING.
AND SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY LIKE THIS ORGANIZATION'S IN FINANCIAL DIRE CONDITIONS.
SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY, IT'S ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THE MONEY IS GOING TO BE WELL SPENT.
YEAH. SO IT'S A LATER TOPIC I GUESS.
YEAH, YEAH. IT'S AN APPLES AND ORANGES DISCUSSION AND KIND OF CHALLENGING.
IT IS ALSO LIKE THE ORGANIZATION'S ONLY SUPPOSED TO GET ONE GRANT FROM THE CITY PER YEAR.
HOWEVER, OUR REACHING HOME FUNDING ISN'T UNDER THAT.
SO THEY CAN GET REACHING HOME PLUS, A COMMUNITY SERVICE GRANT.
ANYBODY FURTHER? COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN. THANKS, MAYOR ALTY.
YEAH, JUST TO THE 100 GRAND, IF I REMEMBER.
AND MAYBE ADMIN, IF YOU COULD CONFIRM THIS, HOW MUCH DID WE ADD OVER AND ABOVE THE AVAILABLE BUDGET LAST YEAR? I THINK IT WAS AROUND 27,000 FOR THE GRANT REVIEW.
MAYBE MAYOR ALTY, MAYBE YOU'LL REMEMBER TOO.
THANKS. WITH THAT, REMEMBER WE DID SCALE BACK, BUT WE DIDN'T I DON'T REMEMBER US AT THE GRANT REVIEW COMMITTEE NECESSARILY GOING INTO SCALING BACK THINGS TO THE EXTENT THAT WE WERE LIKE REALLY SCRAPING, IT WAS MORE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE BEING REASONABLE WITH THE FUNDS AVAILABLE.
SO I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF MAYBE 50,000, BUT I THINK 100,000 IS PROBABLY EXPANDING OUT THE GRANT REVIEW FUND, MAYBE TOO MUCH THIS YEAR FROM WHERE WE CURRENTLY SIT. TO NOTE, ACCORDING TO THE RESERVE FUND, THERE'S ALSO $40,000.
BUT MS. BASSI-KELLETT WOULD IT BE, ACCURATE USING THAT $40,000 FROM THE RESERVE? THAT CERTAINLY IS ALLOWED.
I'LL ASK MR. WHITE IF HE'D LIKE TO WEIGH IN, SINCE HIS DEPARTMENT SUPPORTS THE GRANTS PROCESS.
YES. MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IT'S A RESERVE ACCOUNT THAT WAS ESTABLISHED TO, I GUESS, CAPTURE ANY FUNDING THAT WAS NOT ALLOCATED IN PREVIOUS YEARS OR FUNDING THAT WAS ALLOCATED AND NOT SPENT IN PREVIOUS YEARS.
THANKS. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WITH THAT I WOULD STRUGGLE TO SUPPORT $100,000.
I DON'T HAVE A BETTER NUMBER IN MY HEAD, BUT I JUST.
YEAH, I WOULD STRUGGLE TO SUPPORT $100,000.
IT WAS GARRET'S TURN. DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD? OKAY, I AGREE WITH COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN HERE, LIKE $50,000 IS MORE MANAGEABLE.
AND WE HAVE WE JUST HAD AN ASK, WHAT WAS IT LAST WEEK OR THE WEEK BEFORE FROM THE ARCTIC INSPIRATION PRIZE FOR $10,000. AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, NORMALLY I WOULDN'T SUPPORT SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT I FEEL LIKE I WILL WHEN THE TIME COMES, PUT THAT MOTION FORWARD TO ACCEPT IT.
I MEAN, WE'VE HAD 3 OR 4 ORGANIZATIONS IN YELLOWKNIFE WIN THAT PRIZE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SMALL FEE FOR US FOR SOME BIG BENEFITS.
SO I'D ACCEPT THE 50,000 IF, IF EVERYBODY WAS AMENABLE TO IT.
THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR COCHRANE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
YEAH. IT'S BEING THAT THE FUNDS IN 2017 WERE RAISED BY $50,000.
I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD PRECEDENT OF WHERE WE CAN, LIKE, APPROACH THIS FROM.
AND I THINK THAT SEEMS LIKE A FAR MORE REASONABLE THAN THE $100,000.
FOR MYSELF, I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION AS PRESENTED.
I DO SUPPORT THE COMMITTEE USING THE RESERVE FUND OF $40,000 AS A TOP UP.
I DID TAKE A LOOK. THE CRA HAS A LOT OF THE NOT FOR PROFITS THAT WE FUND.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE REVENUE VERSUS EXPENSES.
AND PEOPLE WERE ON PAR OR HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE REVENUE THAN EXPENSES.
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OF COURSE, IF PEOPLE HAVE MORE MONEY THEY'D BE ABLE TO DO BIGGER EVENTS, ETC., ETC..BUT, WE'LL SEE THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL.
ROUND TWO FOR COUNCILLOR MCGURK.
I MEAN, I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF THE $100,000 COMING FROM THE NONPROFIT WORLD AND HAVING SEEN, ALREADY SOME G ROUPS COME TO COUNCIL AND, US NOT REALLY HAVING THE FLEXIBILITY TO LOOK AT OTHER LIKE MORE IN, I GUESS.
I LOST THE WORD. BUT PROJECTS THAT HAVE LIKE A HIGHER RETURN ON INVESTMENT MAYBE.
I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO, HAVE SOME MORE ROOM FOR THAT, BUT I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF THE $50,000 INCREASE IF THE REST OF COUNCIL WAS NOT AMENABLE TO IT.
ALSO TO THE STATEMENT THAT, SOMETIMES NONPROFITS HAVE REVENUES OVER THEIR EXPENDITURES.
IT THAT IS STILL SKIN OF YOUR TEETH.
LIKE IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A REFLECTION OF, THE NONPROFIT MAKING EVERY DOLLAR THAT THEY SHOULD OR COULD OR YOU KNOW, THERE'S USUALLY, OFTEN STILL PIECES MISSING IN THAT MONEY IS IN RESERVE TO PAY STAFF.
MAYBE I'LL JUST READ THE ROOM, PROPOSE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT FOR THE 50.
IF, SEEMS LIKE THERE MIGHT BE MAJORITY SUPPORT FOR THAT.
SO I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
WELL, IT'S HALF OF WHAT THE CURRENT MOTION IS.
SO UNLESS THE CURRENT, MOVER WANTS TO CHANGE HIS MOTION, THEN WE'RE JUST DISCUSSING A NEW MOTION.
SO IF IT FAILS, UNLESS THE MOVER WANTS TO MAKE THAT MOTION RIGHT NOW.
YEAH. THANK YOU. AND THANKS FOR THE DISCUSSION.
SO I WOULD AMEND MY MOTION TO BE $50,000.
SO TO THE MOTION TO INCREASE THIS BY $50,000 AND YOU'RE LOOKING TO INCREASE IT BY $50,000 FOR 2024 AND BEYOND.
AND THAT'S NOT DIPPING INTO THE RESERVE THIS YEAR.
SO THE ORGANIZED THE GRANT REVIEW COMMITTEE COULD HAVE $90,000 OR WOULD $40,000 COME FROM THE RESERVE THIS YEAR? IS THAT A DECISION WE NEED TO MAKE AS A COUNCIL NOW, OR IS THAT ONE WE CAN MAKE AS THE GRANT REVIEW COMMITTEE DURING THOSE DELIBERATIONS? IF COUNCIL IS DOING $50,000 OF TAXES, AND THEN THE GRANT REVIEW COMMITTEE SAYS THEY WANT TO USE $40,000 FROM THE RESERVE, WE JUST INCREASED IT BY $90,000.
AND THE GRANT REVIEW COMMITTEE'S GOT TO GO BACK AND REVISE ALL THEIR MOTIONS.
I THINK A QUESTION TO ADMINISTRATION FOR CLARITY FOR ME, IN MY HEAD, THE SORT OF THE WHAT WAS LEFT IN THE RESERVE WAS SOMETHING LIKE 20 OR 25,000, LIKE 40 IS HIGHER THAN NORMAL.
WHAT WAS SORT OF THE NORMAL AMOUNT THAT WAS LEFT IN THIS? WAS IT LIKE 20 OR 25? NORMAL AMOUNT LIKE THERE'S NO NORMAL AMOUNT.
LIKE EVERY YEAR IS DIFFERENT AND IT'S A PRETTY NEW FUND.
SO, LAST YEAR THERE WAS THAT $27,000.
THIS YEAR THERE'LL BE $40,000.
I THINK THERE'S ACTUALLY PROBABLY A LOT OF GROUPS THAT DIDN'T USE THEIR 2023 FUNDING.
SO WE MIGHT SEE NEXT YEAR THE RESERVES INCREASED AGAIN.
SO I WOULDN'T SAY THAT WE'VE SEEN AN AVERAGE OR A NORMAL FOR THIS RESERVE.
SO MS. BASSI-KELLETT ANYTHING TO ADD FROM ADMIN? WE CAN TALK REALLY SLOWLY WHILE MR. WHITE LOOKS AND TO SEE.
YEAH, I THINK THE POINT BEING IS MAYOR ALTY OR CHAIR ALTY HAS SAID THAT THIS WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF SETTING UP THE RESERVE WAS A COUPLE OF YEARS WHEN WE HAD GROUPS THAT HAD APPLIED AND WERE VERY OPTIMISTIC, AND THEN SADLY, THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO.
AND THEN OF COURSE, COUNCIL IN APPROVING, TO SEE EXACTLY HOW MUCH IS USED UP.
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THE WHOLE THING COULD BE USED UP OR NONE OF IT COULD BE USED UP, DEPENDING ON THE KINDS OF APPLICATIONS AND THE APPETITE OF THE GRANT REVIEW COMMITTEE.SHOULD I KEEP TALKING? I WOULD ALSO SAY BEFORE THE RESERVE WAS CREATED, IT WAS JUST THAT THE FUNDING STAYED IN THE GENERAL FUND AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
MS. BASSI-KELLETT. AND MR. WHITE IS POINTING TO MR. PANDOO. ISN'T THAT SNEAKY? MR. PANDOO CAN'T SEE.
YEAH. SO, ANYTHING TO ADD? MR.. YEAH.
I ONLY WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US HERE WITH THE, RESERVE ACCOUNT.
I CAN SEE THAT THE CLOSING BALANCE IN 2022 WAS $68,000, AND THEN 2023 WAS $25,000.
AND THEN, AS, THE CHAIR MENTIONED, IT'S NOW $40,000.
THANKS VERY MUCH FOR ALL THAT INFORMATION AND THE.
YEAH. SO I THINK I WOULD AMEND MY MOTION TO BE TO ADD $50,000 TO THIS ONGOING 2024 GOING FORWARD AND $15,000 FROM THE RESERVE FOR USE IN 2024 TO LEAVE THE RESERVE AT $25,000.
OKAY, SO THAT WOULD BE $65,000 MORE IN 2024 AND $50,000 IN 2025 AND ON. DO WE HAVE A SECONDER FOR THAT? COUNCILLOR FEQUET.
TO THE MOTION. ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN.
CAN WE ADD TO THE RESERVE WITHOUT ADDING TO THE BUDGET ITSELF, LIKE TO THE ACTUAL GRANT REVIEW LINE ITEM ITSELF? SO JUST ADD TO THE RESERVE THAT'S AVAILABLE.
SO THAT WOULD CARRY OVER IN FUTURE YEARS IF IT'S NOT USED.
MAYBE I'M NOT MAKING ANY SENSE.
I'M NOT MAKING ANY SENSE BASED ON THAT.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE THE LINE ITEM.
IF WE ADDED 10 OR $20,000 TO THE RESERVE, WHICH ALLOWS MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR THE COMMITTEE WITHOUT NECESSARILY ADDING MORE TO THE ACTUAL GRANT, LIKE THE ACTUAL GRANT POT, BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S RUNNING THROUGH MY HEAD, HAVING SAT ON THE GRANT REVIEW COMMITTEE, IS ONE OF THE FUNDING GUIDING PRINCIPLES IS ORGANIZATIONS ARE ENCOURAGED TO BE SELF-SUPPORTING AND SUSTAINABLE.
AND THAT ONE ALWAYS SITS IN MY HEAD.
BECAUSE BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING MAYOR ALTY IT YOU KNOW, ORGANIZATIONS, YES, ARE RUNNING ON THE SKIN OF THEIR TEETH, BUT PART OF IT IS THAT WE'RE SUPPLYING FUNDS TO DO THINGS IN OUR COMMUNITY, NOT NECESSARILY JUST TO KEEP ORGANIZATIONS ALIVE.
AND FOR ME, THAT'S A PRETTY GUIDING PRINCIPLE BEHIND ALL OF THIS.
AND SO FOR ME, I'M JUST WEIGHING ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE COMMITTEE.
I DON'T WANT TO ADD ADDITIONAL FUNDS JUST TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE LIFE SUPPORT.
AND I HONESTLY JUST HAVING SAT ON THE GRANT REVIEW COMMITTEE THE LAST TWO YEARS, I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING WE DIDN'T FUND THAT I THINK WE COULD HAVE FUNDED HAD WE HAD MORE FUNDS AT OUR AVAILABILITY.
AND THAT'S WHERE I'M STUCK ON THIS.
IF I'LL TRY TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
WHICH MEANS THAT THE COMMITTEE MAY NOT USE THE FUNDING THIS YEAR, BUT COULD USE IT IN FUTURE YEARS.
IF IT'S IN THE RESERVE AND THEY DON'T USE IT, IT STAYS WITHIN THE RESERVE.
SO, POTATO, POTATO, IF YOU WANT TO PUT SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT ON THAT ONE.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION TO, THE MOVER OF THE MOTION.
WHAT MADE YOU DO THE $15,000 FROM THE RESERVE FUND? WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? JUST AS A NUMBER TO GIVE SOME CLARITY TO THE GRANT REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR THEIR DELIBERATIONS AND TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE NOT LEAVING A SIZABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY, IN THE RESERVE, BUT ALSO BALANCE HAVING MONEY FOR FUTURE YEARS AS A PAD.
THANK YOU. THE THING, OF COURSE, COMING DOWN TO IT IS WE'RE TAKING ABOUT TO THE RESERVE IN CASE IT HAS TO BE USED THIS YEAR, BUT ALL OF IT WILL JUST GO BACK INTO THE RESERVE IS WHERE I'M GETTING KIND OF CONFUSED ABOUT THE WHOLE THING.
I GUESS THE THING IS, THEY DON'T HAVE TO USE THE FUNDING IN THE RESERVE.
THAT'S WHERE THE RESERVE WAS CREATED VERSUS PREVIOUSLY IT WAS IN THE GENERAL FUND.
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SO IF IT DIDN'T GET USED, YOU LOST IT THEN BECAUSE IT JUST GOT ABSORBED INTO THE GENERAL FUND.I WOULD SUPPORT THE $50,000 GOING INTO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL BUDGET.
I WON'T SUPPORT THE $15,000 GOING OUT OF THE RESERVE.
OKAY. TO CLOSE, COUNCILLOR FEQUET.
YEAH. JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY MY UNDERSTANDING.
NOT BEING ON THE GRANT REVIEW COMMITTEE.
THE GRANT REVIEW COMMITTEE CAN ACCESS THE RESERVE IF THEY NEED TO AT ANY TIME.
IT'S DEPENDING ON WHAT KIND OF APPLICATIONS THEY GET.
CORRECT. THE RECOMMENDATION WILL COME TO COUNCIL THOUGH.
SO THAT'S WHERE IF WE PROVIDE SOME CLARITY ON LIKE DIP INTO THE RESERVE FUND VERSUS THEY MAKE, THEIR DECISION AND SAY WE WANT TO USE THE $40,000 AND COUNCIL IS LIKE, NO, WE ALREADY ADDED $100,000.
THAT $140,000 IS TOO MUCH TO ADD IN ONE YEAR.
SO, IF WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION NOW, WE SHOULD PROVIDE SOME CLARITY TO THE COMMITTEE.
OKAY. THANKS, MADAM CHAIR, FOR THAT.
YEAH. SO I GUESS I'M ALSO SUPPORTIVE AS THE SECONDER ON THAT INITIAL MOTION OF THE 50 AND LETTING THE COMMITTEE MAKE WHATEVER RECOMMENDATIONS IT'S GOING TO MAKE REGARDING THE RESERVE OR NOT.
YOU ASKED ORIGINALLY FOR $100,000, BUT WE'VE SORT OF DWINDLED IT DOWN TO 50.
DID. WE NEED AN EXTRA 50 LAST YEAR? AND WE DIDN'T BECAUSE MORE MONEY WENT INTO THE RESERVE.
SO WHY ARE WE ADDING MONEY THAT'S NOT REQUIRED IN THE FIRST PLACE? LIKE IF THERE WAS A NEED FOR IT, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED LAST YEAR AND NO MONEY WOULD HAVE WENT INTO THAT RESERVE.
LIKE I MEAN, IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE WE'LL PASS SOMETHING THAT'S 1,000,005 JUST LIKE THAT.
BUT WE'LL TALK FOR A HALF HOUR OVER 50 GRAND.
I WOULD SAY, AND I THINK YOU'VE BEEN ON THE GRANT REVIEW COMMITTEE BEFORE, TOO.
YEAH. WE ALWAYS RECEIVE TEN TIMES THE REQUEST.
AND SO THERE'S ALWAYS, MORE NEED.
AND SO IT'S A QUESTION OF WHETHER WHAT COUNCIL WANTS TO INCREASE THE FUNDING POT.
AND I WOULD SAY THAT THE FACT THAT ORGANIZATIONS AREN'T USING THE MONEY AND IT'S COMING BACK TO THE CITY OVER THE PAST, YOU KNOW, THREE, FOUR YEARS THEY'VE BEEN ANOMALIES. SO I THINK WE'LL SEE A NUMBER OF ORGANIZATIONS HAVE TO RETURN THEIR 2023 FUNDING BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO DO THEIR EVENT IN AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER. BUT THAT'S HOPEFULLY NOT GOING TO BE THE CASE IN 2024.
OH, THERE'LL BE SOMETHING NEW THAT IS YEAH.
I'M NOT IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION AS PRESENTED.
I AM IN SUPPORT OF THE GRANT REVIEW COMMITTEE USING THE EXTRA $40,000, IF NEED BE.
BUT, AT THIS TIME, I'M NOT IN SUPPORT OF THE EXTRA FUNDING.
SO ANY FINAL BEFORE COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN CLOSES? COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.
YEAH, A BUNCH OF MONEY CAME BACK.
THAT WAS SORT OF THE WAY THE FINANCES WORKED LAST YEAR.
IT SORT OF CAME BACK LATER THAN WE COULD HAVE ALLOCATED IT.
SO THE RESERVE LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS MORE, BUT IT WASN'T NECESSARILY ALLOCABLE JUST BECAUSE THE TIMING OF THE FINANCES AND THIS IS, I BET, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE AGAIN THIS YEAR. AND SO TO SPEAK, TO THE MAIN TO THE $50,000 ON TO INCREASE MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THE BUDGET ONGOING.
I APPRECIATE FOR SURE VERY MUCH THE DISCUSSION AND THE CONCERNS OF COUNCILLOR PAYNE.
COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN, IS THIS MONEY ACTUALLY NEEDED? I THINK WE ALL KNOW AS INDIVIDUALS AND AGAIN, AND DIRECTORS HAVE TOLD US THIS SIMPLY WE AFTER THE INFLATION WE'VE SEEN EVERYONE MONEY IS NOT GOING AS FAR.
AND THIS SORT OF HAPPENED ACROSS THE BOARD.
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AND SO MY THE PUTTING THIS FORWARD IS TO LIKE I THINK THE EFFECT OF THAT OVER TIME WILL BE FELT MORE AND MORE.SO THIS IS TO ALLEVIATE THAT, TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE PROVIDING MONEY TO ENABLE ORGANIZATIONS TO DO WHAT THEY TO DO, WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING, AND HOPEFULLY TO DO MORE.
YEAH. AND THAT'S SORT OF WHERE I'M COMING FROM WITH THIS.
BUT I THINK THE MAIN, THE MAIN PART THAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT HERE IS TO INCREASE THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL BUDGET, BY $50,000, TO ENABLE THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE IN OUR COMMUNITY JUST NOT TO SLOWLY BE CUT BACK AND CUT BACK, TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING AND HOPEFULLY TO BE ABLE TO INCREASE THE WORK THEY'RE DOING. THANK YOU.
SO TO THE MOTION OF ADDING 50,000 TO MAYOR AND COUNCIL'S BUDGET FOR 2024 AND ON PLUS 15,000 FOR THE FROM THE RESERVE FOR 2024. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? OPPOSED, AND THAT'S DEFEATED, WITH COUNCILLOR, MCLENNAN, COCHRANE, AND MCGURK IN FAVOR COUNCIL FEQUET. I DON'T HAVE YOU RECORDED AS A VOTE, BUT I THOUGHT THE MOTION WAS GOING TO CHANGE TO TAKE OUT THE.
ANYTHING FURTHER ON? MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
COUNCILLOR COCHRANE JUST A POINT OF CLARITY.
IS THIS THE PORTION WHERE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ADD THE ARCTIC INSPIRATION PRIZE? YES. THIS WOULD, I WOULD SAY, BE THE BEST ONE MS. BASSI-KELLETT THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE COMMUNICATIONS AND ACTIVE.
BUT PROBABLY BECAUSE THIS IS A POLITICAL EDITION, MAYOR AND COUNCIL WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
COUNCILLOR PAYNE, COUNCILLOR COCHRANE, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO YOUR MOTION? ABSOLUTELY. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH NGOS FOR, QUITE A FEW YEARS NOW, AND I HAVE SEEN THE DIRECT BENEFIT OF WHAT THE ARCTIC INSPIRATION PRIZE CAN DO TO CHANGE THE VERY NATURE OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS.
AND BECAUSE OF OUR CURRENT GRANT SYSTEM, THEY'RE NOT APPLICABLE FOR IT.
SO HAVING A DIRECT ALLOCATION OF FUNDING TO THEM IS A REAL ONLY OPTION.
I WOULD LIKE TO GET THEM HAVE A REGIONAL MANAGER FOR THE NORTHWEST TERRITORIES AS WALLY IS STILL CHAIR THERE IS DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ON THEIR WEBSITE A REGIONAL MANAGER AND THE YUKON HAS TWO.
ANYTHING FURTHER, COUNCILLOR PAYNE, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO IT? NO. OKAY. COUNCILLOR MCGURK, I'LL BE IN SUPPORT OF THIS MOTION.
SO I THINK IT'S IT'S JUST A LITTLE IRONIC.
ANYTHING FURTHER TO THE MOTION.
AND THERE'S SOME GOOD RETURN ON INVESTMENT.
I THINK I'D PREFER TO HAVE SOME SORT OF POLICY FOR COUNCIL THAT WE COULD.
THAT IT'S THAT IT'S NOT JUST FOR THIS ORGANIZATION.
BUT IF WE'RE LOOKING TO SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, THE UNITED WAY, I CAME TO COUNCIL AND ASKED FOR FUNDING TO SUPPORT STUFF OUT THAT WAS GOING TO BENEFIT YELLOWKNIFE AND BEYOND. SO I THINK FOR MYSELF, RECOGNIZING WE HAVE PAST SUPPORTED THEM IN THE PAST FOUR YEARS.
BUT YEAH, FOR ME, I THINK JUST TO PAUSE FOR ONE YEAR AND, AND TO BE ABLE TO, TO THINK ABOUT OTHER WAYS THAT THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN THE NORTHWEST TERRITORIES CAN ALSO COME ON BOARD AND, AND SHOW SUPPORT.
SO, FOR MYSELF, I JUST WANT TO TAKE A PAUSE THIS YEAR AND REFLECT A BIT MORE AND FOR FUTURE YEARS.
ANYTHING FURTHER BEFORE COUNCILLOR COCHRANE CLOSES? COUNCILLOR COCHRANE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
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BRING THIS UP LATER.FOR WE CAN HAVE SOME CONSISTENCY WITH THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND SOME PARTICIPATION AS I DON'T SEE INUVIK OR HAY RIVER OR ANY OF THE OTHER REGIONAL CENTERS, PARTICIPATING ON THIS, BUT I THINK WE CAN DO BOTH OF THAT AND STILL CARRY ON THIS YEAR WHILE THE ALLOCATION OF $10,000.
COUNCILLOR MCGURK. YEAH, I, I JUST AND I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE.
SORRY, IT JUST AS SOMEBODY WHO WAS I THINK I WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS ESPECIALLY BECAUSE I'VE RECEIVED THIS FUNDING, THROUGH THE MAKERSPACE, WHICH HAS MET A LOT OF THE CITY'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GOALS, WITHOUT COSTING THE CITY ANY MONEY.
IT'S WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THIS.
AND I THINK THAT WE DON'T NEED TO PAUSE FOR A YEAR IN ORDER TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
THANK YOU TO THE MOTION OF ADDING 10,000 TO THE BUDGET.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? OKAY. NOT CARRIES.
THERE WE GO. ANYTHING FURTHER FOR MAYOR AND COUNCIL? SEEING NONE.
NEXT WE HAVE ADMINISTRATION AND WE'LL BYPASS PAGE 33 BECAUSE, POSITIONS GET ADDED AT THE DIVISIONAL LEVEL. PAGE 34 IS A ROLL UP OF THE DEPARTMENT BY DIVISION.
SO THEN WE'LL MOVE TO OUR FIRST DIVISION BUDGET, WHICH IS PAGE 35, WHICH IS THE CITY MANAGER BUDGET.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR PAGE 35? THIS WOULD BE. YES.
COUNCILLOR. FEQUET. THANKS, MADAM CHAIR.
I WANT TO INTRODUCE AN IDEA FOR MY COLLEAGUE'S CONSIDERATION.
I ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT IT IN THE Q&A, SO IT WAS PUBLIC.
DOING JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HOMEWORK, LOOKING AROUND CANADA AT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND CHECKING WITH SOMEONE WHO WAS A FORMER CITY MANAGER AND CURRENTLY A CONSULTANT TO MUNICIPALITIES. THEIR SENSE WAS THAT CITIES OF APPROXIMATELY 18,000 RESIDENTS OR MORE, GENERALLY HAVE A DEPUTY CITY MANAGER POSITION.
AND, THE CONSENSUS WAS THAT GONE ARE THE DAYS WHERE PEOPLE IN THAT POSITION ARE THERE FOR 20 YEARS.
IT IS A VERY DEMANDING POSITION, AS WE KNOW FROM OUR OWN ROCK STAR IN THE ROOM HERE.
BUT THIS IS ONE THIS IS ONE THAT CREATES REDUNDANCY, NOT ONLY AS AN ORGANIZATION, BUT FOR THE WHOLE LEADERSHIP TEAM AND AN EXTRA SET OF HANDS AND SET OF AND ANOTHER MIND AT THAT AT THE TOP.
AND I TOTALLY APPRECIATE, THE ANSWER THAT I, THAT I RECEIVED PUBLICLY ON THE Q&A ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO BALANCE ADDING TO THE TOP OF THE PYRAMID WHEN THERE'S SO MANY FRONT LINE SERVICES THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO INCREASE AND DO MORE ON.
AND THAT'S THAT'S A REALLY HARD DECISION.
THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A SECONDER? COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN.
COUNCILLOR FEQUET YOU JUST SPOKE TO IT.
DO YOU WANT ANYTHING FURTHER? NO. NO. OKAY.
I AGREE, I THINK THAT A POSITION LIKE THIS WOULD BE GOOD.
I THINK WE'RE ALMOST A LITTLE BIT PREMATURE FOR THIS.
BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE PROCESS NOW OF SCOUTING, RIGHT FOR A NEW MANAGER.
COUNCILLOR COCHRANE. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
I HAVE TO AGREE WITH COUNCILLOR PAYNE ON THIS, MOSTLY ON TECHNICAL ISSUES.
NOT YET. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? FOR MYSELF. YEAH, I'D AGREE.
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I ALSO THINK THAT THE JOB CLASSIFICATION THAT WE REVIEWED AND APPROVED LAST YEAR AND THAT'S COMING IS, IMPORTANT WORK.I ALSO THINK THAT, AS NOTED, FRONTLINE, BUT ALSO THERE'S A NUMBER OF, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY AN ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND ASSISTANT PLANNING AND LANDS THAT WOULD BE VALUABLE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, SOMETIME THIS YEAR FOR 2025.
THANKS, MADAM CHAIR. YEAH, JUST MAYBE A COUPLE MORE DETAILS.
YEAH. SO ONE PART OF MY THINKING WAS THAT, WE HAVE A TRANSITION COMING UP.
SO IT'S A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO DO THIS, TO MAKE A DECISION LIKE THIS.
TO COUNCILLOR COCHRANE'S POINT, THIS IS NOT AN EMPLOYEE OF COUNCIL.
THIS IS AN EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY MANAGER.
RIGHT. FALLS UNDER. SO THERE'S NO CONVERSATION ABOUT ORG CHART.
BUT AND OF COURSE, THE CITY MANAGER WOULD BE THE ONE WHO HIRES THAT PERSON.
THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH COUNCIL.
SO JUST KIND OF PAYING ATTENTION TO PROPER GOVERNANCE PRACTICES.
YEAH, I THINK MY, HOPE WAS THAT WE COULD MAKE SUCH A DECISION.
AND MAYBE IT'S MORE MAYBE IT'S LESS ABOUT THE MOTION I MADE AND MORE ABOUT INCLUDING IT IN THE JOB CLASSIFICATION EXERCISE THAT'S GOING ON SO THAT POSITION IS PROPERLY CLASSIFIED AND THEN INCLUDED IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET.
BECAUSE GIVING THE NEW CITY MANAGER SOME TIME TO GET ON THEIR FEET.
SO I WOULD BE HAPPY TO CHANGE A FRIENDLY OR DO A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT OR CHANGE THE MOTION.
SO THEN WE GET A SENSE OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, WHAT IT COSTS AND HOW HOW IT FITS.
AND OF COURSE, KNOWING THAT IT'S THE NEW CITY MANAGER'S OBLIGATION TO DEAL WITH THAT.
SO I'M HAPPY TO CHANGE THAT IF THAT'S.
MS. BASSI-KELLETT IS THAT PART OF THE EXERCISE TO LOOK AT ADDING NEW POSITIONS THAT CURRENTLY LIKE, I KNOW DEPUTY, CITY MANAGER OR ASSISTANT DIRECTORS WOULD THAT BE PART OF THAT EXERCISE, OR WOULD THAT BE MORE OF A DISCUSSION THAT COUNCIL HAS AND THEN AT A GPC AND THEN GO FROM THERE.
MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.
RIGHT NOW, OUR JOB CLASSIFICATION RENEWAL EXERCISE IS LOOKING AT WAYS THAT WE CAN ENSURE THAT THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR, MORE SOPHISTICATED CAPACITY WITHIN CERTAIN JOB FAMILIES THAT EXIST WITHIN THE CITY RIGHT NOW.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE A PLANNER POSITION, AND THAT'S IT.
RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE WANT IS TO HAVE JUNIOR PLANNER, PLANNER, SENIOR PLANNER.
SAME FOR ENGINEERS, SAME FOR LAWYERS, SAME FOR FINANCE OFFICERS.
AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE NOT BEEN LOOKING AT WRITING JOB DESCRIPTIONS FOR NEW DISCRETE POSITIONS THAT DON'T EXIST OR WHERE WE WOULDN'T SEE THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR SEQUENTIAL PROGRESSION FOR MANY OF OUR, FRANKLY, UNIONIZED STAFF.
SO WE DON'T HAVE JOB DESCRIPTIONS FOR ASSISTANT DIRECTORS, WHICH I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND, THE CONTEMPLATION OF ASSISTANT DIRECTORS OR FOR A DEPUTY CITY MANAGER AT THIS POINT IN TIME. HAVING SAID THAT, IF THE DECISION IS MADE, JOB DESCRIPTIONS CAN BE WRITTEN.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE HAVE A JOB EVALUATION PROCESS THAT GOES WITH THE JOB CLASSIFICATION RENEWAL.
SO IT'S RECOMMENDED TO IF IT'S A PRETTY DIFFERENT MOTION, IF YOU'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT, IT BE INCLUDED IN THE JOB CLASSIFICATION.
I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AT BUDGET.
IT CAN BE A DISCUSSION AT GPC.
AND I'M HAPPY TO WITHDRAW THE MOTION.
JUST FOR MY COLLEAGUES INFORMATION.
I REALLY JUST WANTED TO PLANT A SEED.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE ARE BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT.
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SO I JUST WANTED TO PLANT THAT SEED.SO NO MOTION ON THE FLOOR THERE ANYTHING FURTHER ABOUT THE CITY MANAGER BUDGET? PAGE 35.
ANYTHING FURTHER CITY MANAGER.
NEXT IS OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK.
AND BOY OH BOY THAT WE SHOULD BE PAYING THAT $75,000 SINCE THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE PAYING THAT FOR A TIP, BUT YEAH. WELL ONCES MUNICIPALITIES WERE INCLUDED IN ATIP.
WE RECOGNIZE THERE'LL BE A COST.
WE'LL BE HAPPY TO SUPPORT MUNICIPALITIES AND THE SUPPORT ISN'T REALLY COMING THROUGH.
MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAYOR ALTY.
YOU NAILED SOMETHING REALLY IMPORTANT THAT.
YES, AS, THE REGS, THAT THAT BRING MUNICIPALITIES IN THE NWT UNDER ATIP COME INTO PLACE.
BUT WE NEED TO GET OUR ACT TOGETHER SO THAT WE ARE MUCH MORE SEARCHABLE, THAT WE'VE GOT A LOT MORE COHERENCE AND, INTERNAL COORDINATION AND CONSISTENCY ACROSS HOW RECORDS ARE MANAGED, STORED AND DELETED.
RIGHT NOW, I THINK WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF TURNOVER IN STAFF.
SO PEOPLE FILE THINGS DIFFERENTLY IN OUR DM SYSTEM AND WE NEED TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE COHERENT.
SO THAT'S A BIG PART OF WHAT THIS IS THAT WITH OR WITHOUT ATIP.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
JUST A QUICK QUESTION TO GENERAL SERVICES.
WHAT IS LEFT TO FINALIZE WITH THE 2022 ELECTION? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.
THE 2022 ELECTION WAS QUITE COMPLICATED FOR US.
WE WERE LOOKING AT, BECAUSE IT WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE HAD GONE TO THE MAIL IN BALLOTS.
THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK WITH THAT.
AND WE HAVE SOME, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT PROCESS THAT WE DO WANT TO SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME BEING ABLE TO THINK THROUGH AND IMPLEMENT ANY, POTENTIAL WAYS TO AMELIORATE ANYTHING THAT WENT A LITTLE BIT SIDEWAYS, SO THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT IN ADVANCE OF THE NEXT ELECTION.
BUT I'LL ASK MR. [INAUDIBLE] IF HE HAS ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD.
THANK YOU. I THINK ALSO TO NOTE, SO THIS NOTE FOR NUMBER ONE IS JUST SO THAT FOLKS UNDERSTAND WHY BUDGET 2022 WAS $300,000, AND THEN YOU SEE 2023 DOWN TO 145.
SO IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT 2024S BUDGET INCLUDES ANY COSTS FOR THE 2022 ELECTION.
IT'S JUST THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING [INAUDIBLE].
YEAH. I GUESS THE ONLY REALLY ONE THING TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
ARE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS GOING TO BE COMING BEFORE COMMITTEE OR WILL THOSE REMAIN INTERNAL? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.
GOSH, I'M GOING TO NEED TO GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT THEM.
IT'S BEEN A WHILE. A LOT OF THEM WERE VERY OPERATIONAL IN THE WAY THAT WE DO THINGS.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THE MAIL IN BALLOTS AT THE LOWER MAIN DOORS OF CITY HALL, WE NEED TO FIND A BETTER WAY TO COLLECT THOSE INSTEAD OF HAVING TO EMPTY THAT, MAIL BOX EVERY HOUR. SO THERE WAS A LOT OF OPERATIONAL THINGS LIKE THAT, DEPENDING ON THE NATURE OF THE RECOMMENDATION.
BUT WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AND GET BACK.
I LOVE DEMOCRACY, AND I HOPEFULLY CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT ONE TIME.
ANYTHING FURTHER ON OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK.
BASED ON OUR DEFINITION OF CAPITAL, BUT MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THAT'S EXACTLY IT. SO THIS IS A MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
IT'S NOT THE HARDWARE THAT MANAGES THE SYSTEM.
IT'S A PROCESS THAT WE WOULD USE.
SO ANY TIME THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE RECORD SYSTEMS, AND A PROCESS TO ANALYZE AND REVIEW, HOW WE COLLECT DATA, HOW WE CATEGORIZE DATA, HOW WE SAVE DATA AND OUR TIME FRAMES FOR DELETING DATA.
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WE DO WANT TO DO THAT THROUGH O&M.THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND I WAS JUST TRYING TO PULL IT UP, BUT, WE HAD A, GPC JUNE 4TH, 2018, THAT TALKS ABOUT THE DEFINITION OF CAPITAL VERSUS O&M, BECAUSE WE USED TO KIND OF WILLY NILLY PUT STUFF.
SO NOW IT'S, IF IT'S UNDER $100,000 OR OVER $100,000 CAPITAL, IF IT'S GOING TO HAVE A ONE TIME VERSUS ONGOING, EXPENSES. SEEING NOTHING FURTHER ON OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE HR DIVISION? QUESTIONS OR MOTIONS.
COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IN REGARDS TO THE LABOR RELATIONS OFFICER, IS THIS MEANT TO INCREASE OR MAINTAIN OUR CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WHAT THIS WILL DO IS IT WILL ENABLE US TO KEEP OUR HEAD ABOVE WATER.
IT'S NOT, IF THEY HAD THE ABILITY TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE PROACTIVE WORK, FOR EXAMPLE, TO SUPPORT MANAGEMENT IN TERMS OF HOW THEY ARE MANAGING STAFF, THAT, OF COURSE, COULD CREATE A LOT MORE, ENHANCE OUR ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE OUR STAFF EFFECTIVELY, MANAGE ISSUES, ISSUES BEFORE THEY BECOME BIG ISSUES. SO A LOT OF THIS IS AROUND DEALING WITH THE INCREASED VOLUME AND COMPLEXITY OF ISSUES THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
IT'S BEING ABLE TO MITIGATE RISKS SO THAT WE'RE HEADING THINGS OFF BEFORE THEY BECOME BIG.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND TO NOTE, I ACTUALLY SAID THE WRONG DEFINITION.
SEEING. NOTHING FURTHER ON H.R..
THAT'S IT FOR ADMINISTRATION'S GENERAL FUND.
FISCAL SERVICES WILL COME BACK TO AT THE VERY END IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS.
SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO CORPORATE SERVICES.
THE FIRST DIVISION THAT WE COME TO IS THE DIRECTORATE, WHICH IS ON PAGE 44.
SO NO INCREASE TO THE, HEADCOUNT.
BUT IT WOULD BE TO MAKE THE HEAD COUNT PERMANENT GOING FORWARD.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE DIRECTORATES.
SEEING NONE NEXT PAGE IS 45 TAXATION AND BUDGETING.
TO NOTE, THERE'S A SENIOR BUDGETING AND TAXATION OFFICER BEING RECOMMENDED IN 2024.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS DIVISION? QUESTIONS OR MOTIONS? COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.
AND YOU MIGHT START TO NOTICE A PATTERN HERE.
WILL THIS ADDITION OF THE SENIOR BUDGET AND TAXATION OFFICER INCREASE OR SIMPLY MAINTAIN OUR CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'LL ASK MR. PANDOO TO SPEAK TO THIS.
AND THIS IS WHERE COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN AND MYSELF STOP BEING BEST BUDDIES.
[LAUGHTER] SO COMING TO THE QUESTION, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.
I HAVE, PREVIOUSLY, DID A HIGHLIGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO WANT TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY, WE WANT TO IMPROVE THE PROCESSES, THE SYSTEMS IN PLACE.
AND THAT INCLUDES, THE LEVEL OF ANALYSIS THAT WE'RE DOING.
AND THIS MY ANSWER WOULD, BE RELEVANT FOR THE, FINANCIAL ANALYSIS AS WELL, IN THE NEXT DIVISION.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KIND OF IMPROVE THOSE AT THE MOMENT, TO SAY IT POLITELY.
WE ARE LAGGING A LITTLE BIT BEHIND IN TERMS OF ALL THIS.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE IS, YOU KNOW, SOME GOOD LEVEL OF REPORTING WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE DATA DRIVEN, USER FRIENDLY AND, YOU KNOW, A FOCUS, FORWARD LOOKING.
I SHOULD SAY THAT. SO THREE SIMPLE THINGS.
WE'RE TRYING TO PUT THE FRAMEWORK IN PLACE SO THAT WE CAN ACHIEVE THAT.
SO IN A NUTSHELL, YES, IT SHOULD BE ABLE TO IMPROVE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE.
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THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.ANYTHING FURTHER ON TAXATION AND BUDGETING? SEEING NONE.
SORRY, AS MR. PANDOO JUST, ELABORATED ON THAT POSITION.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? COUNCILLOR FEQUET. YEAH.
JUST A QUESTION ON THE PUBLIC INFORMATION INQUIRY AND CUSTOMER.
I KNOW IT'S EXPENDITURES BY ACTIVITY.
BUT I'M MOSTLY JUST CURIOUS IF THERE'S, WHAT'S THE ROOT CAUSE OF THAT INCREASE FROM 2023 TO 2024? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.
JUST FOR THE INFORMATION OF COUNCIL MEMBERS.
AND THEY ARE, OF COURSE, TAKING LOTS AND LOTS OF INQUIRIES EVERY DAY, DAY IN AND DAY OUT.
I THINK THE WILDFIRE INVOICES AND EVERYTHING THAT WAS INVOLVED WITH IT, I THINK HAS INFLUENCED THE CUSTOM INVOICING AND VENDOR PAYMENTS. I WOULD ASK MS. [INAUDIBLE] IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT KIND OF INFLUENCED THOSE ACTIVITIES, APART FROM THE WILDFIRES.
THANK YOU. COULD I JUST GET CLARIFICATION IF THERE'S ANYTHING SPECIFIC RELATED TO THE ACTIVITIES.
THAT'S A GREAT ANSWER, MR. PANDOO. I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF THE FRONT COUNTERS WERE RECEIVING MORE AND MORE PEOPLE COMING IN EVERY DAY WITH COMPLAINTS OR REQUESTS.
THAT'S MORE WHAT I WAS GETTING AT, JUST BECAUSE IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE OF ALMOST 25%.
SO BUT IF IT'S ALL WILDFIRE RELATED, THAT'S THAT'S TOTALLY FINE.
OKAY. I THINK IT MIGHT BE SCALABLE TO THE REST.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE STILL HAVE FOR THE $251,000.
NOW, IF THAT WAS THE CASE, WE'D SEE A DECLINE ONCE WE WRAPPED UP THAT.
BUT NEXT YEAR, WE HAVE 263 ASK AND A 273 FOR THE YEAR AFTER.
SO. ARE WE ANTICIPATING MORE FIRES? I HOPE NOT.
I THINK IT'S A PERCENTAGE, THOUGH, OF LIKE, I'M NOT DOING THE PERCENT IN MY HEAD RIGHT NOW, BUT IT WENT FROM 191 TO 251 TO 263, CASH MANAGEMENT, 223 TO 292 TO 304.
SO I'M NOT NOT SOLD THAT THERE'S, A PERCENTAGE CHANGE IN THESE LINE ITEMS. BUT IF WE WANT STAFF TO DO THAT CALCULATION.
BUT MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YOU NAILED IT THERE, MADAM CHAIR.
IT'S A PERCENT OF THE OVERALL.
AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT BUDGET 2024 AT 251 IN 2025, IT GOES TO 263.
AND THAT'S A PROPORTIONAL REFLECTION OF THE BOTTOM LINE DIFFERENCE OF 1326 GOING TO 1384.
SLIGHT PERCENTAGE AT THE PERCENTAGE THE PERCENTS REMAIN.
AND THE AMOUNTS THE ACTUAL AMOUNTS CHANGE SLIGHTLY.
THANK YOU. ANYTHING FURTHER ON THE FINANCIAL SERVICES DIVISION.
NEXT WE HAVE CORPORATE SERVICES AND RISK MANAGEMENT.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? QUESTIONS OR MOTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS OR MOTIONS ON THIS ONE? COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.
JUST LOOKING SORT OF AT THE, ACTUALS COMPARED TO BUDGET, IT LOOKS LIKE LIKE OUR WAGES ARE SIGNIFICANTLY UNDER WHAT WE'RE BUDGETING, WHICH TO ME SORT OF SPEAKS TO MORE STAFF VACANCIES IN THIS AREA.
AND JUST WANTING TO ASK WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THIS FOR THIS DIVISION, TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR POSITIONS ARE FILLED AND WE'RE, YEAH, LIVING UP TO THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE'RE SORT OF BUDGETING FOR.
MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I'LL TAKE A STAB AT THIS AND I'LL HAND IT OVER TO MR. PANDOO. SO, YEAH, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE 2022 ACTUALS, THEY WERE QUITE A BIT LOWER.
BUT IN 2023 THEY WERE PRETTY CLOSE.
WE HAVE HAD A VACANCY IN THIS AREA.
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AND THOSE WOULD INCLUDE FIREFIGHTERS, LIFEGUARDS, SOME OF OUR SENIOR IT STAFF, HEAVY DUTY MECHANICS.THESE ARE THE CHALLENGING POSITIONS TO FILL.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FILL SOME VACANT POSITIONS JUST RECENTLY.
AND SO WE'RE FEELING CONFIDENT THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO DO SO.
MR. PANDOO, ANYTHING TO ADD? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
I THINK WE ARE ALMOST CLOSING IN, HAVING A FULL HOUSE, A FULL TEAM.
SO, THE WORKLOAD SHOULD BE, EVENING OUT IN A WHILE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I THINK IT'S THE SAME FOR SORT OF ASSET MANAGEMENT AND GIS, THE NEXT DIVISION AS WELL.
NEXT WE HAVE ASSET MANAGEMENT, PAGE 49.
OH, SORRY. COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN.
SORRY. I REALIZE I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE ASKED THIS UNDER THE TAXATION SECTION.
BUT JUST WITH THAT, DOES ADMIN NEED ANYTHING IN THIS BUDGET TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT GETS DONE FOR 2025 MILL RATE SETTING? BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST MOTIONS WE ALL PASSED AS THE COUNCIL.
SO I THINK IT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT TO US.
SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOES GET DONE.
AND DOES ADMIN NEED ADDITIONAL RESOURCES TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS DONE FOR 2025? BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GET TO NEXT YEAR AND IT'S ANOTHER NO.
MS. BASSI-KELLETT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.
SO I WILL ANSWER THIS IN PART, SINCE, PART OF THIS HAS TO DO WITH, THE TIME BEFORE MR. PANDOO JOINED US, WHICH DOESN'T EVEN FEEL LIKE IT'S POSSIBLE.
SO CERTAINLY WHEN, OUR PREVIOUS DIRECTOR OF CORPORATE SERVICES, AFTER COUNCIL, HAD REVIEWED BUDGET 2023 AND HAD MADE THE RECOMMEND OR GIVEN THE DIRECTION TO ESTABLISH A MILL RATE POLICY, SOME RESEARCH GOT UNDERWAY TO FIND THAT THERE AREN'T A WHOLE LOT OF MILL RATE POLICIES OUT THERE THAT EXIST ACROSS MUNICIPALITIES.
WE WILL WANT TO WRAP OUR HEADS AROUND WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE.
IN TERMS OF THE RESOURCING, I HONESTLY, I WILL ASK MR. PANDOO IF HE WANTS TO COMMENT ON THAT, BECAUSE WE COULD ALWAYS USE WITH MORE RESOURCES TO DO THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, PARTICULARLY IN THE POLICY AREA, SINCE SO MUCH OF THAT REQUIRES OUR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS TO WORK WITH OUR POLICY SHOP.
MR. PANDOO ANYTHING TO ADD? YEAH. THANK YOU.
JUST TO ADD WHAT YOU SAID, IT'S TRUE.
ACROSS CANADA, IT'S, MILL RATES ARE SET THROUGH BYLAWS.
THANK YOU. NO, THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL CONTEXT.
THANK YOU. AND AS I'M ALWAYS THE ONE SAYING WHAT'S EVERYBODY ELSE DOING? I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT RESPONSE IN THAT CONTEXT.
WHAT ARE THOSE GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT WE AS A COUNCIL THINKS THAT WE'RE NOT SORT OF SECOND GUESSING OURSELVES EVERY YEAR THAT WE'RE AROUND? BUT THANK YOU, ADMIN, FOR THAT, FOR THAT THINKING THE WORK THAT YOU HAVE DONE IN THE CONTEXT BEHIND ALL THAT.
JUMPING BACK UP TO PAGE 52 QUESTIONS OR MOTIONS.
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I'LL DO ONE THEN IF, YOU'LL GO FOR IT, THEN.COUNCILLOR WARBURTON. THANK YOU.
IF I FLUB IT, LET ME KNOW I DIDN'T WRITE IT OUT.
YEAH. I MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE THE ONE TIME ALLOCATION FOR RENEWING THE ECONOMIC STRATEGY.
THIS IS NOT BECAUSE I DON'T SUPPORT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK THAT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS.
I JUST THINK THAT, EC DEV HAS MORE THAN ENOUGH TASKS ON THEIR ON THEIR DOCKET FOR THIS YEAR.
AND I WOULD LOVE FOR THEM TO COMPLETE THOSE AND FOCUS.
BUT WE HAVE A LOT LEFT FROM OUR PREVIOUS ONE.
SO I THINK WE'RE GOOD FOR THIS YEAR.
TO CLARIFY, COUNCILLOR WARBURTON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO STRIKE THE 75,000 OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO DEFER IT TO 2025? THE DIFFERENCE BEING IF YOU STRIKE IT, ADMIN COULD CHOOSE TO BRING IT BACK IN 2025, OR IF THEY HAVE SOMETHING OF HIGHER PRIORITY, THEY WOULD CHOOSE THAT.
IF YOU DEFER IT, THEY WILL BRING IT BACK IN 2025.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I LIKE TO DEFER IT TO 2025.
SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR I'LL GO WITH COUNCILLOR ARDEN-SMITH.
ANYTHING FURTHER TO THE MOTION? COUNCILLOR COCHRANE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
I FULLY AGREE WITH THE MOTION AT HAND.
AND GOOD USE OF GOVERNANCE BY DEFERRING THERE.
I THINK PROVIDING A YEAR, FOR BREATHING AND PAUSING AND FOCUSING ON WHAT IS ALREADY ON A VERY STRENUOUS WORKLOAD, I THINK IS GOOD FOR THE ORGANIZATION AS A WHOLE AND GOOD FOR THIS DIVISION IN PARTICULAR.
I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT ADMINISTRATION, IF THEY FEEL LIKE THERE WOULD BE, RISK OR STRESS ADDED TO THEIR, WORKLOAD IF WE WOULDN'T COMPLETE THIS IN THIS YEAR.
AND A BIG STRESS REDUCTION, BECAUSE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF BIG PROJECTS THAT STEM FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY 2020 TO 2024, INCLUDING OUR VISITOR SERVICES STRATEGY, OUR DESTINATION MARKETING ORGANIZATION, AND A NUMBER OF PIECES LIKE THAT.
I'LL ASK MISS THISTLE IF SHE'D LIKE TO ELABORATE.
THE ONLY CAUTION IS THAT IF WE GET THE MONEY IN BUDGET 2025, IT WOULD TAKE US 2025 TO DO THE STRATEGY RENEWAL, BECAUSE IT TAKES BY THE TIME WE PUT SOMETHING OUT TO RFP AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, IT TAKES MONTHS.
HOWEVER, I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.
IT'S NOT LIKE OUR DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO STOP DOING WORK.
OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY WAS ACTUALLY QUITE ACTION ORIENTED.
WE HAVE A JOINT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY WITH THE YKDFM THAT WE'RE ALSO WORKING ON, THE MAYOR'S TASK FORCE ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN COUNCIL BLESSED THE SEVEN PRIORITY ACTION ITEMS. WE'RE ALREADY MAKING PROGRESS IN SOME OF THOSE.
THE TOURISM STRATEGY SHOULD BE BEFORE COUNCIL IN THE FIRST QUARTER.
WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR THE SUMMARY FROM THE CONSULTANTS.
THE WORK'S NOT REALLY GOING TO END.
SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF NEW THINGS OR NEW DIRECTIONS WE'VE BEEN ABLE.
DESPITE THE TUMULTUOUS PAST FEW YEARS OF COVID AND EVACUATIONS AND EMERGENCIES, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO MAKE A LOT OF PROGRESS ON THINGS LIKE WORKING WITH THE CHAMBER OF MINES AND HAVING THE MOU SIGNED, ATTENDING SOME OF THE MINING CONFERENCES, RENEWING THIS TOURISM STRATEGY, RELOCATING THE VISITOR CENTER.
SO WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON ANYWAY THAT CAME OUT OF THAT STRATEGY.
AND LIKE I SAID, I DON'T THINK IF WE WENT BACK TO RENEW IT THAT WE'D SEE A LOT OF NEW ITEMS COMING.
AND IT MIGHT BE STRATEGIC TO DEFER IT ONCE WE HAVE SOME OF THESE THINGS IN PLACE THAT MS. BASSI-KELLETT REFERENCED THE HOTEL LEVY, A DMO, YOU KNOW, THE VISITORS CENTER GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE IRONED OUT.
THERE ARE, NONCOMMERCIAL GALLERY ART SPACE GOVERNANCE.
WHAT'S CLOSING? OPENING? YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW THAT LITHIUM COMPANIES ARE CURRENTLY RESEARCHING, SO ANOTHER YEAR MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL.
IT MIGHT GIVE US A BETTER STRATEGY IN THE END.
AND YEAH, IN THE INTERIM, WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS ON OUR TO DO LIST.
SO WORK IS DEFINITELY PLUGGING AWAY, AND, WE'RE TOTALLY OKAY WITH THIS.
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TO. THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR PAYNE.SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, LIKE YOU DON'T REALLY EXPECT ANYTHING NEW IN A IN A FUTURE STUDY, IS IT ADVISABLE NOW TO JUST STRIKE IT INSTEAD OF DEFER IT? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.
I GUESS WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS THAT WE THIS IS A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT INITIATIVE FOR THE CITY.
WHAT WE DID FIND IS OUR CURRENT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY.
SO I THINK THERE WILL BE DEFINITE BENEFIT FOR THE CITY IN RENEWING THAT, BUT DEFINITELY WAITING FOR 2025 WHEN SOME OF THESE OTHER REALLY FUNDAMENTAL PIECES ARE IN PLACE, LIKE OUR DMO AND OUR A COUPLE OF OTHER FOUNDATIONAL PIECES LIKE THAT.
MISS THISTLE, ANYTHING TO ADD? YEAH. I MEAN, I OFTEN SAY THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY IS OUR BIBLE.
SO ANY FUNDING THAT'S AVAILABLE, IT HAS TO SUPPORT SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN DIRECTED TO DO.
SO I DO SEE A LOT OF VALUE IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY.
SO WHEN IT SAYS ESTABLISH A HOTEL LEVY, WE'LL HAVE THAT CHECKED OFF OUR LIST, ESTABLISH A DMO.
WE'LL HAVE THAT CHECKED OFF THE LIST.
IT'S ALSO BENEFICIAL WHEN WE HAVE EXPERTS THAT DO THESE TYPES OF THINGS ACROSS THE COUNTRY OR THE WORLD, AND THEY CAN GIVE US INSIGHT OR VALUED OPINIONS AND HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO MAKE GAINS IN DIFFERENT PLACES.
SO IT MIGHT BE THAT, OH, YOU CAN ATTRACT MORE BUSINESSES IN THIS SECTOR OR THIS IS A WAY.
SO I DON'T WANT TO PRESUPPOSE WHAT THEY MIGHT SAY.
BUT ONCE WE HAVE A LOT OF THE THINGS ON OUR TO DO LIST TICKED OFF, IT WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO SIT WITH THE COMMUNITY, BUSINESSES AND EXPERTS TO SAY, OKAY, WHAT DO WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS SO THAT THEN WE HAVE A NEW TO DO LIST THAT'S REVISED, REVAMPED, CURRENT? AND I'M NOT FOOLISH.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET EVERY SINGLE THING DONE OFF THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY.
SO THERE STILL MIGHT BE SOME CARRYOVER.
BUT I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO REEVALUATE AT SOME POINT.
IS IT LIKE CRUCIAL THAT WE DO IT IN 2024? I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT, WHILE WE DO HAVE SOME OF THESE BIGGER PROJECTS ON THE BOOKS, LIKE I SAID, HAVING SAID THAT, WE ARE MAKING HEADWAY ON MANY AREAS OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY AND OUR JOINT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY.
SO THAT WE WILL HAVE MORE TO REPORT.
BUT YEAH, SO I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO RENEW JUST I DON'T KNOW THAT 2024 IS CRUCIAL.
OKAY. THANK YOU. THE OTHER THING IS, COULD DEFER IT COME NEXT YEAR.
SO, TO THE MOTION TO DEFER THE $75,000 TO FOR THE EC DEV STRATEGY.
WITH THAT, WE'VE REACHED OUR 90 MINUTE MARK.
LET'S TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK.
BUT WE'LL COME BACK AND WE'LL BE IN CAMERA BECAUSE IT'S JUST A NICE.
WE'VE JUST FINISHED EC DEV, SO WE'LL START COMMUNITY SERVICES.
SO. YEAH. COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.
AND WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT COMMUNICATION, ENGAGEMENT, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH MULTIPLE TIMES.
I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HAVE TO BE RIGHT NOW, IN THE FUTURE ABOUT IF THAT'S SUFFICIENT ENOUGH FOR ONE PERSON, FRANKLY, A CORPORATION THIS SIZE HAVE ONE COMMS OFFICER IS TINY.
I'D LIKE TO HEAR SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AROUND THAT.
DULY NOTED. AND I'M SURE ADMIN WOULD LOVE AND WE WOULD ALSO LOVE TO NOT BE UNDERFUNDED BY 9 MILLION.
AND THE GNWT HAVE SO MANY COMMS PEOPLE.
YEAH. BUT, UNLESS THERE'S A MOTION ON THE TABLE TO ADD A COMMS PERSON THIS YEAR, ADMINS HEARD YOU AND I'M SURE THEY WOULD ALSO LOVE TO HAVE THAT POSITION.
SO, WITH THAT, WE'LL TAKE A PAUSE.
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WE WILL COME BACK AND WE'LL BE IN CAMERA FOR THOSE WATCHING ONLINE.THANK YOU. WE'RE JUST GOING TO CONCLUDE WITH AN IN-CAMERA ITEM.
AND SO WE WILL COME BACK PUBLICLY TOMORROW AT 5:30 P.M..
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BUT FOR OUR BREAK, WE'LL COME BACK AT 9 P.M., WE'LL MOVE IN CAMERA AND, AND THEN DISCUSS STUFF.AND WE HAVE NO BUSINESS ARISING FROM IN CAMERA.
IF I CAN GET A MOTION TO RECESS.
MOVE BY COUNCILLOR ARDEN-SMITH, SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR FEQUET.
ANYBODY OPPOSED? SEEING NONE, WE CAN RECESS AND WE WILL RECONVENE TOMORROW AT 5:30 P.M..
HAVE A GREAT NIGHT, EVERYBODY.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.