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IT IS INACTIVE, BUT READY FOR THE NEXT PHASE OF ITS LIFE.
THIS WOULD ALSO MEAN THAT THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLANNING PROCESS CAN BEGIN.
THAT WILL LAY OUT HOW THIS AREA WILL BE DEVELOPED.
THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING OUR PROPOSAL AND I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
OPENING IT UP TO QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR, AND THANKS FOR COMING TODAY.
BUT THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN WOULD NEED TO BE DONE FIRST.
IS THAT THE CASE? LIKE HAVE THERE BEEN CONVERSATIONS? THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO CAN YOU CLARIFY LIKE WHICH CHANGES YOU MEAN? SO LIKE YOU'RE SORT OF SAYING THAT.
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TOURISM IS SORT OF ONE OF THE IDEAS, AND THAT WOULD BE THE CHANGE TO THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THAT WOULD BE SORT OF THE DEVELOPMENT YOU'RE SEEKING.BUT THAT WORK HASN'T BEEN DONE YET.
ARE YOU SORT OF ASSUMING THAT THOSE CHANGES WILL BE MADE OR HOW? WELL, BASED ON WHAT I KNOW TO BE THE PRIORITIES OF THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE CITY WANTS TO BRING MORE LAND TO MARKET.
YEAH, WE DO EXPECT THAT THOSE WILL BE THE USES THAT ARE INTENDED.
I THINK IT'S THE ONLY PLACE ACTUALLY ZONED FOR SHORT TERM ACCOMMODATIONS IN THE ENTIRE CITY.
SO I'M NOT EXPECTING A HUGE CHANGE.
BUT IF THERE WAS TO BE ONE WE COULD OF COURSE PIVOT.
THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT TO INVEST MONEY IN THE PROPERTY, WE NEED TO BE SURE THAT WE CAN PURCHASE IT.
WE JUST NEED TO KNOW THAT THE CITY IS WILLING TO SELL IT TO US.
OKAY. THAT MAKES. YEAH, THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW.
I THINK THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS FOR YOURSELF.
HAVE SOME FOR ADMIN. BUT IF ANYONE ELSE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN? THANKS, MADAM MAYOR. REALLY QUICK ONE.
NOT SAYING YOU HAVE TO COMMIT TO THAT, BUT JUST THAT'S A POTENTIAL ULTIMATE GOAL OF THIS.
SO THAT'S A HARD ONE TO ANSWER.
SO FORGIVE ME IF MY ANSWER IS MORE LONG WINDED THAN YOUR QUESTION.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE SPENT MUCH TIME LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL PROPERTY, BUT THE OLD SATELLITE TRACKING STATION THAT'S THERE IS ONLY A SMALL PORTION OF THE LAND THAT'S PART OF THE LEASE.
ONE SCENARIO IS IT CONTINUES AS A SATELLITE TRACKING STATION.
YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS IT CONTINUES TO BE ZONED FOR THAT AND AND WE JUST LEASE OUT THE SECTION THAT'S FENCED IN TO A SATELLITE TRACKING STATION AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT OTHER USES FOR THE UNUSED LAND, DEVELOP THAT FOR TOURISM PURPOSES AND SO ON.
AND I MEAN, PART OF THE CELL FOR THE TOURISM THERE IS IF IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO LOOK AT THE SKY FOR SATELLITES, IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO LOOK AT THE SKY FOR THE AURORA BOREALIS, RIGHT. THE OTHER OPTION, ONE OF THE OTHER OPTIONS IS WE EXPAND.
SO BASICALLY EXPAND THE TRACKING STATION.
AND THE OTHER OPTION IS REDEVELOPING EVERYTHING FOR TOURISM.
ANY OTHER COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.
SORRY. ONE MORE. THERE'S LOT SIX, BLOCK 569.
THAT'S SORT OF IN A TRIANGLE THAT THERE'S A VERY THIN ACCESS BETWEEN YOUR LOT AND THE OR POTENTIAL LOT IN THE BUFFER TO THE WATER LINE. WOULD YOU BE OPPOSED TO SORT OF WIDENING THAT CORRIDOR TO WHATEVER STANDARD? I THINK IT'S ONLY LIKE 12FT WIDE RIGHT NOW, WIDENING IT TO SOMETHING MORE.
SO A FUTURE PURCHASER COULD USE THAT SORT OF TRIANGLE OUT THERE EASIER? YEAH. I DON'T HAVE ANY INTEREST IN MAKING THE LIFE DIFFICULT FOR THE CITY TO DISPOSE OF LAND.
I'D BE MUCH MORE INCLINED TO SAY LIKE TACK THAT ON TO THE PURCHASE THEN TO CARVE IT OFF, IF THAT MAKES SENSE, BECAUSE IT IS A SMALL PIECE OF LAND AND IT MIGHT IMPACT ANY POTENTIAL TOURISM USE IF SOMEONE PUTS A GRAIN SILO THERE OR SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW.
YEAH. THANKS. AND THAT ISN'T PART OF THE CURRENT PROPOSAL? WELL, I THINK THAT THAT'S WHY WE WOULD LOOK AT DOING THE PURCHASE AFTER THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS DONE.
SO I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO WORK WITH CITY COUNCIL AND ADMINISTRATION TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S A SMOOTH PROCESS NO ONE WANTS LIKE WEIRD PUZZLE LOTS THAT DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE OR HAVE NO USE.
I'D RATHER I THINK THE SPOT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS LIKE A LITTLE PENINSULA.
KIND OF LIKE POINTS OUT IN THE KAM LAKE.
YEAH. SO LIKE, I'D BE MORE INCLINED TO TAKE THAT ON BECAUSE THAT HAS A LOT OF VALUE FOR TOURISM.
YOU COULD USE THAT FOR A NICE PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO SIT AND HAVE A FIRE OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCILLOR FEQUET.
DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PRESENTER? THANKS, MADAM CHAIR. CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YES. AWESOME.
YEAH. I THINK JUST TO TO START.
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FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE, BOTH THE ADMINISTRATIVE MANAGEMENT LEVEL AND THE FINANCIAL REVENUE LEVEL WITH RESPECT TO THE LEASE ARRANGEMENTS THAT THE CITY CURRENTLY HAS VERSUS THE YOU KNOW, WHEN WE SELL LAND AND BRING IT TO MARKET AND COLLECT THE TAXES, THE ADMINISTRATION SPEAK TO THAT FIRST.WELL, WE'LL GO WITH QUESTIONS FOR THE PRESENTER FIRST AND THEN WE'LL JUMP INTO QUESTIONS BECAUSE ADMINISTRATION WILL BE ABLE TO PRESENT AND THEN COUNCIL CAN ASK QUESTIONS OF ADMIN. SURE.
HAPPY TO WAIT FOR ADMIN FOR BOTH.
OKAY. PERFECT. ANYTHING FOR THE PRESENTER? NO THANK YOU, NOT AT THIS TIME.
OH, SORRY. I'VE JUST GOT A FEW.
I'M SORRY. OKAY. MY QUESTIONS WERE SIMILAR ALONG THE INACTIVE SATELLITE RIGHT NOW, BUT POSSIBLE TO REACTIVATE BUT LOOKING MORE TO REDEVELOP BESIDES THE STRUCTURES, IS THERE ANY ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS THAT YOU'VE IDENTIFIED THAT NEEDS CLEANUP? NO, THERE WAS AN ENVIRONMENTAL DONE WHEN WE PURCHASED THE LEASE OR SORRY, SLIGHTLY BEFORE WHEN IT WENT UP FOR SALE.
AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I GOT THIS ENVIRONMENTAL SITE ASSESSMENT.
AND THE ONLY THING ON THE SITE THAT WOULD REALISTICALLY CAUSE A SPILL IS, IS A DIESEL OIL TANK.
AND I HAPPEN TO TEST OIL TANKS.
AND I WOULDN'T HAVE PURCHASED IT IF I THOUGHT THERE WAS ANY CONCERN.
SO EVERYTHING LOOKS GOOD FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, TOO.
SOUNDS GOOD. AND JUST FROM A PROCESS PERSPECTIVE.
BUT WOULD YOU BE LOOKING TO PURCHASE THE LAND AFTER AN AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS DONE BY THE CITY, OR WOULD YOU BE LOOKING TO DO THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THEN WORK WITH THE CITY TO GET IT APPROVED? I MEAN, WE'RE EASY, SO WHATEVER YOU GUYS PREFER TO DO, I THINK SINCE IT'S THE CITY'S PROCESS, IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING FOR THE BETTER FOR THE CITY TO DO. BUT I MEAN, IF THAT'S A STIPULATION, I'M NOT GOING TO BALK AT IT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
YEAH. AND I THINK OF YOU MIGHT BE IN A BETTER POSITION TO DO AN AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN BASED ON THE STRUCTURES AND HOW YOU WOULD WANT IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO SUBDIVIDE IT OR IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO KEEP IT AS A GIANT PARCEL.
IT'S NOT THAT WE SELL BIG CHUNKS OF LAND VERY OFTEN, BUT I BELIEVE WITH BLOCK 501, WHICH IS THE THE MODULARS NEAR THE CORRECTIONS FACILITY THAT THE DEVELOPER DID, THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN THERE.
AND THEN CITY COUNCIL APPROVED IT.
WELL, YEAH, WE'RE READY AND PREPARED TO, TO FUND THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN IF NEED BE AND THAT INCLUDES FOR THE WHOLE AREA LIKE IF, LIKE EVEN THE LAND THAT WE DON'T CURRENTLY LEASE, WE KNOW THAT IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO DO AN AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE WHOLE AREA ALL AT ONCE RATHER THAN TO DO IT IN LIKE LITTLE CHUNKS, RIGHT? SO LIKE WE'RE READY AND WILLING TO DO THAT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE TALK ABOUT NOW OR LATER.
YEAH. SO WE WOULD LOVE TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
ABSOLUTELY. HOW IT HAPPENS, I'M NOT TOO SURE.
I DO. I CAN MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT, TOO.
WE ABSOLUTELY WANT TO DEVELOP THIS, WHICH IS WHY WE WANT TO OWN IT.
I'M NOT A FAN OF SITTING AROUND ON VACANT LOTS, SO.
SEEING NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE PRESENTER.
AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR FOR COMING TODAY.
THANK YOU, EVERYONE. AND MISS THISTLE, ANY OPENING COMMENTS FROM ADMINISTRATION? AS WE ALL KNOW, THE CITY CURRENTLY LEASES THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 181 KAM LAKE ROAD TO AURORA TRACKING STATION, INC.
THIS LEASE IS IN EFFECT UNTIL JULY 31ST, 2024.
HOWEVER, ON NOVEMBER 16TH, THE CITY RECEIVED AN APPLICATION TO PURCHASE THE LAND FROM AURORA TRACKING STATION AND PURSUANT TO THE LAND ADMINISTRATION BYLAW, A DISPOSAL OF LAND REQUIRES COUNCIL TO PASS A BYLAW, AND ANY CHANGE IN USE FOR THE PROPERTY WOULD REQUIRE AN AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO BE COMPLETED.
BUT THIS IS NOT REQUIRED AS LONG AS THE PROPERTY IS USED FOR THE CURRENT PURPOSE.
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AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.THANK YOU, COUNCILOR PAQUETTE.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO START WITH YOUR QUESTIONS? THANKS MADAM MAYOR. YOU CAN HEAR ME OKAY? YES, WE CAN. OKAY, AWESOME.
FIRST ONE. SO WHEN [INAUDIBLE] DECIDES TO SUBMIT A LAND ACQUISITION APPLICATION.
DO THEY TAKE OVER ALL THE LIABILITY OF THAT SITE? IF THERE WAS ANY LIABILITY ON THAT SITE AT ALL, OR IS THE CITY RESPONSIBLE IN ANY WAY FOR FOR MANAGING THAT OR ADDRESSING THAT PRIOR TO THE PURCHASE? MISS THISTLE. IF I UNDERSTOOD THE QUESTION CORRECTLY, IT'S WHEN WE TRANSFER THE LAND TO THE TAKEOVER THE LIABILITY.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I ASSUME THERE'S BEEN AN APPRAISAL OR SOMETHING TO ASSESS THE MARKET VALUE OF THIS LOT THAT EITHER HAS BEEN PROVIDED WITH THE LAND ACQUISITION APPLICATION OR IS THERE ANOTHER METHOD FOR DETERMINING THE MARKET VALUE? STAFF GENERALLY WAIT FOR COUNCIL DIRECTION BEFORE GOING OUT BECAUSE IT WOULD COST MONEY TO DO THE APPRAISAL.
SO IF WE DIRECTED STAFF TO TO GO WITH THE DIFFERENT METHOD OF DISPOSAL.
SO I'LL, I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO MISS THISTLE TO, TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.
BUT THAT'S GENERALLY THE PRACTICE.
AS INDICATED IN THE MEMO, LINE DISPOSAL METHOD IS DIRECTED.
IT WOULD BE SALE TO THE LESSEE, BUT THE APPRAISED VALUE IS DETERMINED IN ACCORDANCE.
WE WOULD GET AN APPRAISER TO DO IT.
MS. WHITE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? NO, THAT'S EXACTLY CORRECT.
THANKS FOR THAT. AND JUST TO CONFIRM, SO THE CITY WOULD RETAIN AN APPRAISER TO CONDUCT ONE.
WE WOULDN'T RELY ON A THIRD PARTY OR ONE PROVIDED BY THE LESSEE.
MISS THISTLE. THE CITY TYPICALLY CONDUCTS THE APPRAISAL.
SO I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE A CONSIDERATION IF ONE WAS RECENTLY DONE THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO REDO IT.
BUT THE SALE PRICE IS DICTATED BY AN APPRAISED VALUE PROVIDED BY A CERTIFIED APPRAISER.
AND I GUESS JUST MAYBE ONE MORE MORE FOR THINKING LIKE LONG TERM MOVING FORWARD, HOW MANY LEASES DOES THE CITY HAVE THAT ARE IN THIS SITUATION, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE EXPIRING IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS THAT WERE PEOPLE LEASES COULD SUBMIT A LAND ACQUISITION APPLICATION TO OWN THE LAND.
MS. THISTLE. I BELIEVE WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO GET BACK TO COUNCIL WITH THAT INFORMATION.
BUT. MS. WHITE DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? NOT ONLY WOULD WE HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE EXISTING LEASES, THERE'S DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE HEAD LEASE, DIFFERENT TYPES OF LEASES THAT ARE THERE.
SO WE COULD PROVIDE A BREAKDOWN? ABSOLUTELY, IF REQUESTED.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF THAT WAS A BALLPARK THAT YOU GUYS HAD AN IDEA OF.
BUT LET ME THINK ABOUT THAT BEFORE YOU DO ANY WORK.
THAT'S ALL FOR NOW, MADAM CHAIR.
THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.
DID YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
SO FOR ADMIN IS THE CURRENT PROPOSAL IS TO SELL THE LOT AS IS BEFORE AN AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO THE REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT IS TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY THAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY LEASING.
THE TIMELINE OF THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED THROUGH AN AGREEMENT WITH THE APPLICANT.
IF COUNCIL DIRECTS US TO DISPOSE OF IT.
THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT FOR THE MUNICIPALITY TO DO AN AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN BEFORE SELLING.
THERE'S ALSO NO REQUIREMENT THAT THE CITY HAS TO BE THE ONE DOING THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN, SO THIRD PARTIES OR APPLICANT CAN DO THAT TO MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD. SO WE'D BE OPEN TO EITHER EITHER SELLING IT PRIOR TO AN AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR AS PART OF THAT COMPLETED PLANNING POLICY PROCESS. THANK YOU.
AND THAT PART OF THE PROCESS WOULD BE DONE BY ADMIN.
WOULD IT COME BACK TO COUNCIL AT ANY POINT OR WOULD THAT? YEAH, WHETHER IT'S ADMINISTRATION THAT DRAFTS THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR IT'S THE PROPONENT, BOTH HAVE IS A BYLAW.
SO IT'D HAVE TO COME TO COUNCIL.
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AND I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT IF THE CURRENT USE REMAINS THE SAME, THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT FOR AN AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN.MISS WHITE. YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
AND I MEAN THE TERMS WOULD HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT, BUT IT'S A LEGAL EXISTING USE, DEFINITELY ESTABLISHED WAY PRIOR TO OUR CURRENT BYLAWS SO THEY CAN CONTINUE THAT FOR FIVE YEARS, TEN YEARS.
AND THE TRIANGLE OUT ON THAT SORT OF PENINSULA, LOT SIX, BLOCK 569.
HOW WOULD THE WHAT WOULD THE PROCESS BE TO EITHER ADD THIS TO THIS LOT WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY OR CREATE A WIDER CORRIDOR? WHEN WOULD THAT DISCUSSION TAKE PLACE? TO NOTE THAT IS A PART OF THE LOT ABOVE IT.
SO THEN YOU'D HAVE TO SUBDIVIDE AND THEN REESTABLISH AND ALL THAT STUFF.
YES. AND IT WOULD ALSO BE A PART OF THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
MS. WHITE, ANYTHING TO ADD? I THINK IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED NOT ONLY AS PART OF THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN, BUT FOLLOWING THAT, IT WOULD BE THE VISION OF THE OF THE CITY TO ENSURE THAT IT WAS PROPERLY SUBDIVIDED.
SO ALL OF THESE FACTORS WOULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
AS OF RIGHT NOW, THE APPLICATION IS ONLY FOR A PURCHASE OF THE LEASE LOT.
THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT IN FUTURE THAT COULDN'T CHANGE.
AND ON THE COMMUNITY PLAN FOR KAM LAKE [INAUDIBLE] SAYS THAT TO MAINTAIN PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE SHORE KAM LAKE, THE CITY WILL DEVELOP A TRAIL NETWORK. WOULD THIS HAVE AN IMPACT ON THIS POTENTIAL SALE? WOULD SUCH A TRAIL BE IN THAT SORT OF BUFFER COMMISSIONER'S LAND THERE, OR WOULD IT BE ON THE MUNICIPAL OWNED LOTS? MISS THISTLE? YES.
SO THE COMMUNITY PLAN IS THE HIGH LEVEL KIND OF GUIDANCE FOR WHERE DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE LOOKING AT IN THE FUTURE, WHETHER THAT'S USES, WHETHER THAT'S COMMUNITY SERVICES THAT ARE INCLUDED.
AND YES, AS MISS THISTLE SAID, IT WOULD BE DONE AS PART OF THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I HAVE SOME COMMENTS AFTER, BUT THANKS VERY MUCH.
COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN? THANKS, MADAM MAYOR.
AND I THINK SOUNDS LIKE, YOU KNOW, INTERESTING IDEAS.
BUT I GUESS MY FIRST QUESTION IS ESTIMATING HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO DO AN AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR KAM LAKE SOUTH? MISS THISTLE. AGAIN, I THINK WE COULD CONSIDER IF WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE IT UP TO ADMIN, THEN IT WOULD BE PART OF THEIRS.
MISS THISTLE. YES, THE MAYOR'S ENTIRELY CORRECT.
IT'S LIKELY GOING TO BE DONE QUITE A BIT FASTER IF IT'S LEFT WITH THE DEVELOPER OR A PROPONENT VERSUS THE CITY COUNCIL'S FULLY AWARE OF OUR FULL WORK PLAN WORK PLATE, AND THAT WOULD BE JUGGLING PRIORITIES AND THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE DEVELOPER DOES WANT TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY, IF THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL IN PURCHASING IT WOULD ALSO DICTATE THE TIMELINES FOR [INAUDIBLE] DEVELOPMENT PLAN BECAUSE AS WE'VE INDICATED, IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO CONTINUE WITH THE USE AS IS.
THANK YOU. AND WHAT I HAVE TO SAY MAY BE A FIRST TIME IT'S BEING SAID, BUT THE HISTORY IN THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE IS THAT THE CITY HAS ALWAYS DONE THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLANS. WE'VE OUTLINED WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT SHOULD LOOK LIKE.
WE'VE REALLY HAD THIS CONTROL OVER DEVELOPMENT AND IT COULD BE SOME OPINION THAT THAT INCREASES DEVELOPMENT TIMELINE, INCREASES COST TO DEVELOPERS, AND THERE'S REALLY NOTHING IN THE LEGISLATION OR A POLICY THAT SAYS WE HAVE TO DO THAT.
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AS OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL.THEY MAY BE ABLE TO HAVE A CONSULTANT DO THAT MUCH QUICKER.
IT'S FOLLOWING THE SAME PROCESS.
SO THERE IS THAT PUBLIC PIECE.
THEN THERE WOULD BE A REZONING AND SUBDIVISION AND BEHIND IT, RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT LIKE THE APPLICANT COULD EVEN TURN IT AROUND AND FOR SIX MONTHS, RIGHT? SO THERE IS THE TIMES THAT AND THE PROCESS HAS TO FOLLOW, BUT IT DEFINITELY POTENTIALLY COULD BE DONE FASTER THROUGH AN APPLICANT THAN THROUGH THE MUNICIPALITY.
THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THOSE ANSWERS.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF TRYING NEW THINGS AND IN ORDER TO SPEED UP DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY, I ALSO FEEL LIKE THERE'S AN ELEMENT OF US ABROGATING OUR RESPONSIBILITY FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY. STRUGGLING WITH THIS ONE NOT BECAUSE, AGAIN, THE PROPOSAL MAKES SENSE.
IT'S PROCESS AND STRUGGLING WITH HOW DO WE BALANCE RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT DONE BY THE CITY AND NOT JUST HANDING THAT OVER AND ALSO THE FACT THAT THE PURCHASERS ARE LOOKING FOR ONE LOT OF A BROADER PIECE.
SO WHAT ARE WE POTENTIALLY SAYING IN THIS SITUATION THAT WE WOULD BE SAYING HERE, YOU ONLY WANT TO BUY THIS ONE PROPERTY, BUT YOU NEED TO PAY FOR THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR AN ENTIRE PART OF THE CITY.
YEAH, I GUESS THAT'S THE PRESENTER HAD MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT BEING WILLING TO PAY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, BUT THEN POTENTIALLY HAVE THAT REMOVED FROM THE PURCHASE COST.
AND I GUESS I'M NOT SURE ABOUT PROCESS AND TIMELINES IN TERMS OF CAN WE MAKE A SOLID COMMITMENT TO THEM, TO GIVE THEM THAT AMOUNT OR LIKE TO TAKE THAT AMOUNT OFF OF THE PURCHASE PRICE.
UM, SO I'M, I FEEL LIKE I ALSO FEEL LIKE I'VE KIND OF LOST THE POINT OF WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE, UM, TRYING TO APPROVE THIS SPECIFIC LOT FOR PURCHASE RIGHT NOW OR WE'RE APPROVING THE POTENTIAL PURCHASE OR LIKE SORT OF ISSUING A NON BINDING GENERAL SENSE OF APPROVAL SO THAT WHEN THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN GOES THROUGH, YOU CAN PURCHASE THE LOT.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S JUST ME WHO'S A LITTLE BIT LOST IN THE WEEDS THERE, BUT..
NO, IT CAN BE, IT'S A COMPLICATED ISSUE.
IT'S AND I BELIEVE THE PROPONENTS SAID THAT IF THEY WERE REQUIRED TO DO THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE WHOLE AREA, THAT THEY WOULD WANT THAT SUBTRACTED. BUT IF THEY'RE DOING THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN JUST FOR THEIR LOT, THAT'S A COST TO THEM AND SHOULDN'T BE.
WOULD THAT BE A FAIR SUMMARY OF YOUR POINTS? AND IF YOU JUST WANT TO COME UP TO THE MIC THERE, AVERY, SO EVERYBODY CAN HEAR.
I KNOW THE PROCESS PROBABLY ISN'T TO JUMP IN, BUT I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THIS EARLIER.
AND THEN THAT MAKES EVERYTHING ELSE AVAILABLE FOR THE CITY TO DISPERSE UP TO.
THANKS. UH, I GUESS A QUESTION FOR ADMINISTRATION IS, UM, WHETHER THERE'S, IF A CONSULTANT, AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT IS DEVELOPING, DOING AN AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN, DO THEY FEEL THAT IT WILL STAY IN THE SPIRIT OF THE WAY THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING DEVELOPMENT PLANS AND LIKE CREATING AREA DEVELOPMENT PLANS? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE A COMMUNITY PLAN THAT IS KIND OF HIGHLIGHTING THE PROCESS AND KIND OF STEERING THAT PROCESS.
THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN WOULD STILL HAVE TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND THE ZONING BYLAW SO THEY COULD GO CREATE THEIR OWN AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN IF IT'S COMPLETE GARBAGE AND MEN WILL BRING IT FORWARD.
SO THE ADMINISTRATION, THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IF THE PROPONENT DOES IT, WE BROUGHT TO ADMINISTRATION, THEY WOULD REVIEW IT BE LIKE, YEP, THEY BRING IT TO COUNCIL AND THEN IT WOULD BE UP TO US TO SAY, YEAH, I LIKE IT, EXCEPT I WANT TO ADD A TRAIL HERE OR THERE.
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SO COUNCIL STILL HAS ULTIMATE CONTROL, WHETHER IT'S ADMINISTRATION OR THE PROPONENT THAT DOES IT.IT WOULD BE MORE OF A TIMELINE PROCESS WHERE I THINK IT'D BE FASTER FOR THE PROPONENT TO DO IT.
AND. BUT MISS THISTLE? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THEN, AS MISS WHITE INDICATED EARLIER, THERE WILL BE ZONING REQUIREMENT CHANGES AND AN AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING BYLAW ALSO REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING AND THREE READINGS. SO THERE'S LOTS OF TIME FOR POTENTIAL DEBATE AND DISCUSSION AND PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
THANK YOU. AND IF I CAN JUST ADD, AS THE APPLICANT POINTED OUT, I DO KNOW THAT THE THEY HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL PLANNING FIRM, WHICH ALSO HAS ENGINEERS ON STAFF, WHICH WOULD ENSURE THAT A, THEY FOLLOW OUR POLICIES AS WELL AS OUR REGULATIONS AS WELL AS OUR DESIGN GUIDES AND ANY OTHER REQUIREMENTS THAT THE CITY WOULD HAVE THROUGH THAT DEVELOPMENT.
SO I THINK IT'S A DEFINITELY A VIABLE OPTION.
THANK YOU. BECAUSE THE OTHER THING IS, IF STAFF DON'T HAVE TIME TO DRAFT AN AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE CITY COULD THEN CONTRACT A THIRD PARTY TO DO IT, EXCEPT THEN ALL TAXPAYERS.
COUNCILLOR MCGURK. YEAH, I JUST, I GUESS MORE TO WHAT I WAS ASKING OR MORE ABOUT MORE WHAT I WAS ASKING IS WHETHER THERE WAS ANY SORT OF LIKE AS YOU MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING OF WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, THAT IF IT'S NOT GOOD, ADMINISTRATION WON'T EVEN BRING IT TO OUR ATTENTION.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T IF THE ADMINISTRATION IS CONFIDENT THAT IT WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT THAT AS LIKE A HIGH POTENTIAL OR LIKE THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE AND CONFIDENT IN THE RULES THAT ARE LAID OUT, THAT ANOTHER PARTY COULD COME IN AND FOLLOW IT AND IT WOULD BE OKAY.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE DEVELOPMENT PERMITS THAT REQUIRE COUNCIL PROCESS.
THE APPLICANT DEVELOPS IT AND THEN ADMINISTRATION REVIEWS IT AND THEY'LL KICK IT BACK TO THE DEVELOPER UNTIL IT MEETS THE BYLAW AND THEN THEY'LL BRING IT FORWARD TO COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION. SO THEY DON'T JUST TAKE STUFF AT FACE VALUE.
IT'LL BE LIKE, NOPE, NOT READY YET.
SO. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILLOR PAYNE. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
DO WE HAVE A VALUE IDENTIFIED AS THE PURCHASE PRICE OF THAT LAND? MISS THISTLE. MISS WHITE, THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE A VALUE AT PRESENT, SO IF WE ARE GIVEN THE DIRECTION TO DISPOSE OF THE LAND, THEN WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD UNDER LAND ADMINISTRATION BYLAW TO COME UP WITH WHAT THAT VALUE IS.
OKAY. THANK YOU. YOUR SECOND ROUND.
FOR ME. I THINK THE BIG CONCERN THAT I HAVE AND THAT I'D LIKE TO WORK WITH ADMIN TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THROUGH THE PURCHASE AGREEMENT IS IT IS A BIG CHUNK OF LAND AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S BEING USED.
WE'RE A LAND STRAPPED CITY AND THIS IS PRIME LAND FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
SO IF IT CONTINUES TO BE USED AS WELL, I GUESS IT'S DORMANT.
SO IT'D HAVE TO BE REACTIVATED.
THE SATELLITE TRACKING AND CONTROL STATION, THAT'S GREAT.
IF THE LAND OWNER WANTS TO CHANGE THE USE, I'M OKAY WITH THAT TOO.
AND I THINK IT'D BE IT'S THE BENEFIT TO THE CITY IF WE DON'T REQUIRE ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO BE REMOVED AND THEN TOSSED INTO OUR SOLID WASTE FACILITY. I THINK THAT'S A WIN FOR THE CITY.
UM, I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THE OWNERS DON'T GET THE LAND AND THEN FLIP IT AND THEN IT SITS VACANT.
SO AGAIN, I THINK MY BIG CONCERN BOILS DOWN TO MAKING SURE THE LAND IS WELL USED.
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SO I WANT TO INCLUDE WORDING IN THE PURCHASE AGREEMENT THAT MITIGATES THAT CONCERN.IT TALKS MORE ABOUT DISPOSING TO TAX EXEMPT OR OTHER GOVERNMENT OR NOT FOR PROFITS, BUT IT HAS THE CITY HAS THE FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL TO REACQUIRE THE LAND IF THE OWNER DOESN'T USE IT FOR ITS INTENDED PURPOSES.
THERE'S ALSO SECTION 12, AND IT HAS SOME STUFF ABOUT PERSON WHO ACQUIRES LAND FROM THE CITY MAY BE REQUIRED TO DEVELOP OR WITHIN A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME OR THE LAND REVERTS BACK TO THE CITY.
SO I DON'T HAVE WORDING RIGHT NOW.
HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH ADMINISTRATION TO TO GET SOME WORDING BEFORE THIS COMES FORWARD TO TO COUNCIL BECAUSE I AM IN SUPPORT, BUT JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN MITIGATE THAT CONCERN OF IT NOT SITTING VACANT AND REALLY ACCELERATE THE PRIME USE OF THIS LAND.
THANK YOU. SO QUESTION FOR ADMIN.
SO THIS AGREEMENT, IF WE AGREE TO WHAT'S PROPOSED TODAY, DOES THAT PROVIDE ANY DIRECTION ON WHEN OR WHO WOULD CREATE THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN? OR WOULD THAT BE A DECISION THAT ADMIN WOULD MAKE? REGARDLESS OF THIS, I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS IS DIRECTING TO HAPPEN.
AS WE'VE INDICATED ALREADY, THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS NOT NECESSARY FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.
IT ONLY WOULD BE TRIGGERED IF THE DEVELOPER DECIDED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT OUT THERE.
SO CURRENTLY THIS IS JUST A DISPOSAL BYLAW.
IT DOES NOT INDICATE WHO OR WHAT OR WHEN AN AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN WOULD HAPPEN BECAUSE, AS MS..
WHITE INDICATED, THAT COULD BE IN FIVE YEARS.
MAYBE IT'S IN ONE YEAR AND THAT'S REALLY GOING TO DEPEND.
AND THEN IF THE PROPONENT SUGGESTED TO THE CITY OR REQUESTED THAT THEY COULD COMPLETE THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THEN YES, THAT WOULD BE A DISCUSSION BETWEEN ADMINISTRATION AND THE DEVELOPER. MS..
NO, I WAS GOING TO SAY PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING.
SO AS STATED, THEY CAN CONTINUE AS IS IF THEY WANT TO CHANGE IT.
THERE IS A PROCESS IN PLACE THEY MUST FOLLOW.
THANK YOU. AND NOT TO SAY I HAVE TOTAL CONFIDENCE IN ADMIN, BRINGING FORWARD AN AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHETHER IT'S DONE BY THE CITY OR THE DEVELOPER, THAT IS SOUND.
BUT JUST TO PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE, WHAT IF THE DEVELOPER DID AN AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN IT BROUGHT FORWARD TO COUNCIL AND COUNCIL VOTED IT DOWN? LIKE WHAT WOULD BE LIKE JUST I JUST DON'T WANT TO CONSTRAIN THE CITY OR COUNCIL.
BASICALLY A THIRD PARTY PAYS FOR SOMETHING THEY'RE EXPECTING.
THIS COUNCIL SORT OF FEELS LIKE THEY NEED TO APPROVE IT.
AND. IT'S PART OF THE PART OF THE GAME.
PART OF THE BUSINESS IS YOU'LL TAKE SOME RISKS AND YOU'VE GOT TO PAY FOR THOSE.
AND SOMETIMES YOU WIN, SOMETIMES YOU LOSE.
COUNCIL'S ABILITY TO MAKE DECISIONS CAN BE FETTERED IN THAT WAY.
WE CAN'T CONTRACT OUT OF YOUR ABILITY, SO AN AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN WOULD COME FORWARD PART OF OUR PROCESS, AND THEN IT WOULD BE AT COUNCIL'S DISCRETION WHETHER TO APPROVE THAT, AMEND IT AND APPROVE IT OR NOT APPROVE IT.
AS WE'VE INDICATED PREVIOUSLY, THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS GOING TO HAVE TO INCLUDE OR INCORPORATE OR ADDRESS THE REQUIREMENTS OR SUGGESTIONS RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN. IT ALSO WILL HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE CURRENT ZONING BYLAW AND THE ACTIVITIES THAT HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDED FOR THAT AREA, AS MISS WHYTE ALREADY INDICATED, PROFESSIONAL THAT ARE DOING THAT ARE UNLIKELY TO BRING FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION THAT DOESN'T ADDRESS THOSE.
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MISS WADE, ANYTHING TO ADD? NO FURTHER COMMENT. THANK YOU.RIGHT ON. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WHO WANT TO DO SOMETHING, DEVELOP SOME LAND IN TOWN.
I'D ECHO MAYOR'S POINT ABOUT MAKING SURE THE LAND IS WELL USED AS PART OF THE PURCHASE AGREEMENT, AND IT'S REALLY GOOD TO HEAR THAT THE PROPONENT IS FLEXIBLE AND WILLING TO ADAPT TO WHATEVER IS IN THAT AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND DOESN'T JUST HAVE ONE SET THING ON THEIR MIND.
SO THAT'S REALLY GOOD AND MAKES ME FEEL BETTER FOR SURE.
THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR HENDRICKSEN.
THANKS, MADAM MAYOR. JUST ONE MORE QUESTION FOR MEN RIGHT OFF THE BAT WAS DO YOU HAVE OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD OR IN FRONT OF YOU? HOW MANY OTHER PARTS OF TOWN ARE AWAITING A AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN? MISS THISTLE. MISS WHITE.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION.
AND BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING BECAUSE OF COUNCILLOR FEQUET QUESTION.
SO TO ANSWER HIS QUESTION, HOW MANY OTHER LEASES DO WE HAVE CURRENTLY THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE COMING UP FOR EXPIRATION WITH SIMILAR TERMS WITHIN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS? THE ANSWER IS 27.
HOWEVER, OF THOSE PROPERTIES, NOT ALL OF THEM ARE SIMILAR TO THIS.
THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, PARTIALLY DEVELOPED, POTENTIALLY GOING THROUGH AN AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SOME OF THEM THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE AS IS.
SO TAKE THAT WITH A BIT OF A GRAIN OF SALT.
BUT THE ANSWER TO COUNCILLOR FOR KAT'S QUESTION IS 27.
SO ANGLE RECENTLY, SO THAT ONE'S PRETTY MUCH DONE.
SO THEY'RE ALL IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER I'M GOING TO SAY ABOUT NINE, BUT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, JUST BECAUSE IT SAYS THAT AN AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS REQUIRED, THERE COULD BE MULTIPLE PIECES WITHIN THAT, RIGHT? SO AREA DEVELOPMENT PLANS, SUBDIVISION ZONING, ALL OF THESE ARE WHILE THEY CAN BE CONCURRENT PROCESSES, THEY ARE SEPARATE PROCESSES AND THEY ARE PUBLIC PROCESSES.
SO THERE IS POTENTIALLY DIFFERENT TIMELINES WITHIN EACH OF THOSE.
ALL OF THAT INFORMATION. THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL.
I DO STILL HAVE A STICKING POINT IN MY HEAD AROUND THE IDEA OF SELLING A LOT OF A LOT THEN DOING THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN BECAUSE MAYBE WE FIND OUT AFTERWARDS THAT THE LAND AROUND THAT LAND COULD HAVE BEEN BETTER SUBDIVIDED AND MAYBE THE BUYERS WOULD HAVE WANTED A BIGGER CHUNK OF IT OR A DIFFERENT SLICE OF IT OR SO I DO STILL HAVE A BIT OF A LIKE I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF SELLING THE LAND ON THE PROVISION THAT AN AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS DONE PAID FOR BY THE CITY UP FRONT RATHER THAN BY THE DEVELOPER.
IF YOU WANT TO REMAIN IN THE CONFERENCE, PLEASE PRESS STAR 115.
I KIND OF FEEL LIKE IF WE LEAVE IT UP TO THE DEVELOPERS TO DIAL OUT.
YOU'RE STILL WITH US. COUNCILLOR FEQUET.
I AM. THERE WAS ABOUT A 3O SECOND CUT OFF ON COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN THERE ABOUT PEOPLE AND.
I FEEL LIKE IF WE DON'T DO THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN FIRST, WE'RE CORNERING OURSELVES.
AND I APPRECIATE WHAT MISS THISTLE SAYS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T FIT OUR OUR DISCRETION.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IF WE'RE LED DOWN A CERTAIN PATHWAY, IT'S HARD TO COME OFF OF THAT PATHWAY.
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FIRST, WHETHER BY ADMIN OR PAID TO A THIRD PARTY, WE DON'T HAVE A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF THE BEST USE FROM A COMMUNITY PERSPECTIVE BEFORE WE SELL A LOT. EVEN THOUGH I HAVE PRETTY STRONG CONFIDENCE THAT THE PURCHASER IS GOING TO DO A GREAT JOB WITH THIS LOT, I DON'T WANT TO SET A PRECEDENT FOR THE FUTURE OF HOW THESE THINGS HAPPEN.BUT IF THE PROPONENT WANTS TO PURCHASE IT AND CONTINUE WITH THE SATELLITE TRACKING AND CONTROL STATION, THEN IT MEANS NO AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS REQUIRED.
SO YEAH, THEN IN THAT SITUATION, I SUPPOSE.
BUT THEN I WOULD GET BACK TO I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE THE PURCHASE FOR MYSELF.
I THINK THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN HAS TO BE GUIDED AND PAID FOR BY THE CITY.
TO ME, THAT'S A CITY RESPONSIBILITY.
SO WHETHER IT'S STAFF DOING IT OR A THIRD PARTY, IT'S MAYBE A TECHNICALITY.
BUT TO ME THAT'S AN IMPORTANT TECHNICALITY.
NO. APPRECIATE IT. COUNCILLOR PEN.
I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS GOING FORWARD.
WHAT I DO LIKE IS THE FACT THAT ADMINISTRATION.
SO I LIKE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING INTO ALL AVENUES TO REMOVE BARRIERS.
AND WHEN IT COMES TO PRECEDENT, WE'VE BEEN SETTING PRECEDENT WITH THIS NEW COUNCIL SINCE NOVEMBER.
SO I WOULDN'T WORRY TOO MUCH ABOUT THAT.
SO I THINK I THINK THAT ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN I THINK THEY'VE DONE THEIR WORK ON THIS.
AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME GOOD DISCUSSIONS HAPPENING BETWEEN A DEVELOPER AND ADMINISTRATION.
SO RIGHT NOW, I'M IN TOTAL SUPPORT OF THIS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, DISCUSSION ON THIS? I GOT SOME BACK. COUNCILLOR FEQUET.
THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. UM, A QUESTION FOR ADMIN TO START OFF, IS THERE A SCENARIO WHERE USERS MIGHT WANT TO BE CHANGED THAT ARE WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN WHERE AN AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN WOULD BE NEEDED BUT THERE MAY NOT BE ANY REZONING OR SUBDIVISION? MRS. MISS WHITE.
I THINK FIRST, LET'S START WITH WHAT IS AN AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN? SO IT'S REALLY THERE TO PROVIDE THAT LONG TERM POLICY PLANNING FOR A SPECIFIC AREA.
IT'S NOT AS DOWN IN THE DETAILS AS A PLAN OF SUBDIVISION WOULD BE.
IT'S NOT EVEN AS DETAILED OR REGULATORY AS, SAY, THE ZONING BYLAW.
SO IT'S MORE OF THAT HIGH LEVEL POLICY FRAMEWORK FOR WHICH ANY DEVELOPMENT WOULD GO THROUGH.
ARE THERE INSTANCES IN SITUATIONS WHERE WE WOULD LOOK AT LOT CREATION OR DEVELOPMENT FOR SALE TO THE PUBLIC WITHOUT AN AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN? THE ANSWER IS YES, BECAUSE THERE ARE AREAS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AND WE'VE HAD THE CONVERSATION AT OUR INFILL AND DENSIFICATION MEETING A COUPLE MONTHS AGO WHERE THEY'RE ALREADY DESIGNATED THROUGH THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
THEY ALREADY HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE AND THEY'RE ALREADY APPROPRIATELY ZONED.
SO DEPENDING ON WHERE IN THE COMMUNITY THEY ARE, THE ANSWER IS YES, THERE IS OPPORTUNITY FOR DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT AN AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BEEN PLANNED FOR, WHICH IS PART OF THE BENEFIT OF LOOKING AT INFILL AND DENSIFICATION WHERE THE LANDS HAD A PREVIOUS USE OR IN THIS CASE ARE SOMEWHAT REMOVED FROM THE CITY AND HAVEN'T BEEN DEVELOPED, THEN YES, WE WOULD WANT, IF THERE'S A CHANGE OF USE, AN AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO TAKE PLACE AS WELL AS SUBDIVISION ZONING, ALL OF THAT THAT'S REQUIRED TO MAKE THE DEVELOPMENT SUSTAINABLE THROUGH TIME.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS REQUIRED FOR THEM TO CONTINUE TO USE THE PARCEL THAT IS CURRENTLY LEASED INTO THE FUTURE BECAUSE THAT USE IS ESTABLISHED AND CAN CONTINUE TO GO FORWARD.
THANK YOU. I HOPE I ANSWERED THE QUESTION.
THANK YOU. YES, LET ME REPHRASE TO BE MORE PRECISE AND APOLOGIES ON MY END.
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WOULD NOT BE NECESSARY? POSSIBLY NOT SUBDIVISION, BUT GENERALLY ZONING.MISS THISTLE. YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
MISS WHITE. I WOULD SAY THE SAME THING IF SOMEONE IN FUTURE WANTED, WHETHER THAT'S THE APPLICANT OR WHOMEVER, TO USE THE PROPERTY AS A WHOLE AS IS NOW, I MEAN, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR SUBDIVISION.
BUT NO, TECHNICALLY AND LEGALLY IT'S NOT REQUIRED.
UM, I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO, IN MY MIND, WRAP MY HEAD AROUND IF THE LAND IS BEING TURNED OVER, THE TITLE IS BEING TURNED OVER AND THERE'S CONDITIONS AS PART OF THAT SALE.
AND I WANTED TO REITERATE NOW THAT I AM FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE EXAMPLE CONDITIONS THE MAYOR READ OUT LOUD AND OTHERS THAT WOULD ENSURE THE LAND ISN'T TIED UP IN THE LONG TERM UNNECESSARILY AND NOT BEING USED.
UM, THAT IF THOSE CONDITIONS HAPPEN NOW, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR TO COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN QUESTION ABOUT THE LITTLE TRIANGLE LOT AND THE ACCESS, IF THERE WAS NO REZONING OR SUBDIVISION AND ONLY AN AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN, ARE WE, WHAT IS THE PROCESS OR HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, ACCESS IS NOT CUT OFF TO THAT LOT IF IT'S NOT DONE IN THE PURCHASE CONDITIONS NOW AND THERE ENDS UP NOT BEING ANY REZONING OR SUBDIVISION, YOU KNOW, PROCEEDINGS LATER, LATER ON.
THANK YOU. IF I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.
THE PROPERTY OR THE LEASE LOT CURRENTLY DOES HAVE ACCESS, SO THAT'S NOT A CONCERN.
IN FUTURE, SHOULD ANY NEW LOT BE CREATED? IT IS A REQUIREMENT THAT ALL NEW LOTS HAVE ACCESS FROM A MUNICIPALLY MAINTAINED ROAD.
SO UNLESS IT'S PART OF A CONTINUAL OWNERSHIP, THEN THERE HAS TO BE THAT MUNICIPAL ROAD ACCESS.
SO ANY SUBDIVIDED LOT WOULD HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS PART OF THE PLAN OF SUBDIVISION.
BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, IT DOES HAVE ACCESS TO A MUNICIPAL ROAD.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
YEAH. SO I GUESS I WANTED TO SAY ALSO THAT I AM GENERALLY IN SUPPORT, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING OUR DENSIFICATION AND INFILL CONVERSATIONS LATER LAST CALENDAR YEAR AND RECOGNIZING THAT THAT'S A PRIORITY FOR, CAN YOU GUYS STILL HEAR ME OKAY? YES. OKAY.
SORRY. RECOGNIZING THAT LIKELY THE PRIORITY FOR THE WORK PLAN FOR THIS CALENDAR YEAR AND FINALIZATION OF THOSE OTHER COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL LOTS THAT WE ALSO DISCUSSED LAST YEAR, THAT I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO ALLOW DEVELOPERS TO PREPARE AN AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN IF IT'S BETTER FOR THEIR BUSINESS CASE.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S A, THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY, THAT'S A WAY TO REDUCE OUR EXPENSES.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT OUR PRIORITY AREA OF DEVELOPMENT.
SO I'M CERTAINLY IN FAVOR OF IT.
I ALSO AM IN FAVOR OF BEING NIMBLE.
AND ALSO I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF AN AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN JUST FOR THIS LOT.
I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE A LITTLE SHORTSIGHTED OF THE CITY TO ALLOW AN AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO BE CONSIDERED, LIKE WITH THIS LOT, CONSIDERING THERE'S LOTS DIRECTLY NORTH AND SOUTH AND EAST OF IT AND NOT CONSIDERED HOLISTICALLY.
SO I RECOGNIZE THE COMMUNITY PLAN PROVIDES THE SANDBOX IN WHICH TO PLAY, BUT I THINK THAT AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE AREA WOULD WOULD BEST SERVE THE COMMUNITY KIND OF MOVING FORWARD.
BUT I DID WANT TO EXPRESS MY GENERAL SUPPORT FOR BOTH THIS REQUEST TODAY, AS WELL AS AN AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE AREA AND EITHER AT THE CITY'S LEISURE OR AT THE DEVELOPER'S WISH, IF THAT IS EARLIER THAN THE LATTER.
SO TO COUNCILLOR HENDRICKSEN POINT IT RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS JUST APPROVING THE DISPOSAL OF THIS SPECIFIC LOT AND.
IF THEY JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M CLEAR AND THAT IT'S TOTALLY CLEAR.
YEAH. AWESOME. THE SOMETHING THAT WAS JUST NOTED I WAS OR MADE ME THINK THAT THE. THE CLEARANCE BETWEEN THE LOT SIX AND THE LOT IN QUESTION.
THE PORTION OF LOT SIX, THERE'S ABOUT 12FT BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINES AND WHERE THEY JOIN.
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AND SO I'M WONDERING IF THE ADMINISTRATION CONSIDERS THAT SUFFICIENT FOR ACCESS, BECAUSE IF WE SELL THIS PROPERTY TO THE DEVELOPER OR THE DISPOSE OF THIS PROPERTY, THEN THAT PORTION AND IS NO LONGER ACCESSIBLE BY THE ROAD, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, BUT MAYBE I CAN BE CORRECTED. MRS. MISS WHITE, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.THE RECOMMENDED DISTANCE WOULD ACTUALLY BE 20M.
AND I THINK RIGHT NOW IT'S ABOUT FOUR, FOUR AND A HALF ISH.
SO AS PART OF THIS, THERE WOULD BE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF OPTIONS THAT COULD OCCUR THERE.
THANK YOU. I THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS LIKE A WHOLE PROCESS WITH THAT, LIKE THAT PIECE TOO, THAT WAS IN THE WAY OF THEM JUST ADDING IT TO THE, UH, PURCHASE.
WELL, NO, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE I THINK PROBABLY THAT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT THEY ARE INTERESTED IN.
BUT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD FROM PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS, IT'S NOT SO SIMPLE.
AND IT'S A SUBSTANDARD LOT AND THERE WOULD BE A SUBDIVISION OF IT.
BUT IT'S NOT A RIDICULOUS IT'S JUST A YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE STEPS.
BUT. MISS THISTLE. THAT'S CORRECT.
AND WE WOULD ALSO LIKELY REQUIRE THAT IT BE CONSOLIDATED IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY DID.
YEAH. NO, THAT'S I GUESS THAT IS KIND OF AN ASIDE.
WHAT I WAS GETTING AT IS THAT IF WE SELL THIS LOT, THE PORTION OF LOT SIX IS THEN INACCESSIBLE BY ROAD. AND NOT PART OF OUR PROPERTY.
LOT SIX IS STILL FULLY ACCESSIBLE BY ROAD AND THAT PORTION WOULD BE ACCESSIBLE BY THE BACK PORTION.
MISS THISTLE. YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
AND SO IT'D BE A VERY SIMILAR PROCESS TO EXACTLY WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS BROUGHT FORWARD NOW WOULD BE A REQUEST TO PURCHASE AND IT WOULD BE CONSIDERATION BY COUNCIL BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN ADMINISTRATIVE RESPONSE.
IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO DO PRIOR TO COUNCIL MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS SALE? NO, BECAUSE THEY'VE ONLY ASKED FOR THIS PORTION.
IS IT GOING TO HINDER DEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE? AGAIN, NO, BECAUSE THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN HASN'T OCCURRED, SO IT CAN ALL BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THERE.
IF IT WAS GOING TO BE ACCESS FOR A ROAD, IS MY ANSWER.
THAT 20M WOULD BE THAT MINIMUM OF WHAT WE'D LOOK FOR THIS ADJACENT TO SHORELINE AREA.
I MEAN, WE HAVEN'T PLANNED ANYTHING OUT FOR IT.
I'M HOPING I'M ANSWERING THAT QUESTION.
I GUESS. I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE I DON'T.
I GUESS I JUST DON'T IF WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE LOTS ARE ACCESSIBLE BY ROAD AND WE ARE, WE WILL BE PINNING THIS CORRIDOR BETWEEN COMMISSIONERS LAND AND THIS LOT THAT WE ARE SELLING.
DO WE HAVE ENOUGH LIKE WE WE CAN'T ACCESS THIS SMALL PORTION BY ROAD AND IS THAT NOT AN ISSUE AS I AM? I TOTALLY MISUNDERSTANDING THIS QUESTION.
SO THERE'S NO SAYING THAT THAT PORTION OF LOT SIX, BLOCK 569 WOULD BE TURNED INTO A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, WHICH WOULD THEN REQUIRE A ROAD.
THIS COULD BE NATURE PRESERVE, WHICH THEN WOULDN'T REQUIRE ROAD ACCESS.
SO THERE'S NO SAYING THAT THE CITY WOULD BUILD A ROAD ON THE THE BACK SIDE OF LOT SIX.
THAT'S KIND OF GOING PARALLEL TO THE LAKE.
BUT THE PORTION OF LOT SIX ALREADY HAS A ROAD ON IT.
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AND SO I GUESS MRS, IF BEN WANTS TO ADD SOME THERE.THE FRONT IS ACCESSIBLE, BUT NOBODY'S DRIVING UP IN YOUR BACKYARD.
SO THE LOT HAS TO BE ACCESSIBLE.
AND THEY'RE TREATED DIFFERENTLY UNDER THE LAND ADMINISTRATION BYLAW.
AND THEN YOU'VE SEEN THAT PERHAPS HAPPEN IN PREVIOUS YEARS.
IT COULD BE A LITTLE PIECE NEXT TO YOUR YARD.
IT COULD BE A LITTLE TRIANGLE, IT COULD BE A STRIP, A RECTANGLE, WHATEVER.
SO THAT'S WHY IN THIS CASE WE CAN'T SAY LOT SIX IS NOT ACCEPTABLE, ACCESSIBLE.
IT'S FULLY ACCESSIBLE FROM ALL THAT ROADWAY IN THE FRONT.
AND IT'S NOT THE REQUIREMENT THAT EVERY PIECE OF THE LOT BE ACCESSIBLE BY ROAD.
SO IT STILL MEETS THE TERMS. HOWEVER, AS YOU'VE INDICATED, IF IT WAS SUBDIVIDED OUT AS A SEPARATE LITTLE PIECE, WHICH IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT THE CITY WOULD DO UNLESS IT WAS WITH THE INTENTIONS OF CONSOLIDATING IT WITH A LARGER PIECE, IT BECOMES A DIFFERENT SCENARIO.
BUT YEAH, RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO ISSUES WITH LOT SIX BEING INACCESSIBLE.
PERFECT. COMMUNITY PLANNING IS ALWAYS FUN.
ZONING BYLAWS, LAND ADMINISTRATION AREA DEVELOPMENT PLANS, COMMUNITY PLAN, ALL THOSE FUN THINGS.
UM, HOLDING ON FOR FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
I'M IN GENERAL SUPPORT OF THE THE MOTION BROUGHT FORWARD OR THE MEMORANDUM.
UM, I THINK IT'S IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE ARE AT A LACK OF LOTS AND WE HAVE A DEVELOPER THAT IS WANTING TO BE ABLE TO AID IN, IN WHAT WE'RE LACKING AT THE MOMENT.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL REALLY WANTED TO DO WAS I DON'T WANT TO SAY STREAMLINE, BUT WE REALLY WANTED TO WORK WITH DEVELOPERS IN BEING ABLE TO BRING THESE FORWARD A LOT FASTER.
AND IF DOING AN AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN TAKES LONGER FOR THE CITY TO IMPLEMENT AND LESS TIME FOR THE DEVELOPER, I THINK THERE'S A WAY IN WHICH WE CAN WORK TOGETHER AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY CASE WHERE WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT PLAN BROUGHT FORWARD OR THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS REALLY SCREWED OVER ANOTHER PERSON.
A LOT OF STUFF, AS COUNCILOR PAYNE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ADMINISTRATION IS WORKING HARD.
AND AND I MEAN, I LOOK AT THIS AND I SEE THAT IT'S IT'S DONE VERY WELL.
UM. I DON'T HAVE VERY MANY CONCERNS IN REGARDS TO THIS WHATSOEVER.
AND I THINK IT'S A IT'S A GREAT.
SO I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF THIS.
THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN MCLENNAN.
JUST TO BE VERY CLEAR, DOES IT FEEL THAT THE NARROW CORRIDOR TO THE SMALL PORTION OF LOT SIX BLOCK 569 CONSTRAINED FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IN ANY WAY? MISS THISTLE.
THE OTHER BONUS ABOUT THIS SECTION OF THAT LOT IS IT'S WATERFRONT, SO IT IS ONLY IN ANYONE'S BEST INTEREST TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S CONTINUAL ACCESS TO IT AT ALL TIMES THROUGH ANY DEVELOPMENT.
AND WHEN THINKING ABOUT A SHORELINE TRAIL IN THE FUTURE AS PART OF AN AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN, DOES SELLING THIS LOT CONSTRAIN THAT TRAIL IN ANY WAY? BY THAT I MEAN CAN A TRAIL BE PUT ON THE COMMISSIONER'S LAND ON THAT WATER LINE BUFFER? AND OR COULD THE CITY RUN A TRAIL THROUGH THIS LOT AFTER IT'S BEEN SOLD? THROUGH THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE COULD HAVE THAT.
AND MS.. WHITE, DID YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING? I WOULD ONLY ADD THAT WE WOULDN'T PROBABLY FOR LIABILITY REASONS, PUT IT ON COMMISSIONER'S LAND.
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WE WOULD WANT IT TO BE IDENTIFIED WHOLLY WITHIN THE PARCEL THAT WE, EITHER US OR OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS POTENTIALLY COULD OWN BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CAN MAINTAIN IT AND HAVE THE RIGHTS AND ALL OF THAT.SO THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE A CONSIDERATION.
IS 4.5M WIDE ENOUGH? ABSOLUTELY. HOWEVER, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AGAIN IN FUTURE, I DON'T KNOW AT THIS TIME, BUT IT DEFINITELY IS WIDE ENOUGH IF THAT'S HOPEFULLY GOING TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
YEAH, I THINK IT WAS MORE ABOUT LIKE THIS LOT SPECIFICALLY.
SO ADDING A TRAIL AFTER AS PART OF THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WOULD THAT NEED THE AGREEMENT OF THE OWNER OF THE LAND? MRS. WHITE.
WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE? I DON'T KNOW, BUT THEY HAVE TO MEET OUR REQUIREMENTS.
SO EITHER WAY THERE'S OPTIONS FOR TRAILS IN THE FUTURE TO BE DEVELOPED.
ANYTHING FURTHER? SO TO SUMMARIZE, I'M HEARING GENERAL SUPPORT, HEARING CONCERNS ABOUT AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN, BUT I'LL WORK WITH ADMINISTRATION TO TO TRY TO ADDRESS THAT BEFORE BRINGING IT FORWARD TO COUNCIL. BUT WE WILL BRING THIS FORWARD FOR APPROVAL ON MONDAY, MAY 8TH AT 7 P.M.
AND WORK WITH ADMINISTRATION BEFORE THAT TO TO CIRCULATE ANY PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE INCLUDE A SECOND PART TO THE MOTION, WELL, IT'S A BYLAW, SO A BYLAW AND A MOTION.
SO WE WILL WORK TOGETHER ON THAT AND CIRCULATE SOMETHING FOR COUNCIL BEFORE THAT.
THANKS AGAIN, AVERY, FOR COMING.
IF YOU'D LIKE, YOU CAN STICK AROUND FOR THE NEXT ITEM.
AND WITH THAT, IF WE CAN GET COUNCILLOR WARBURTON BACK.
RECOGNIZING THAT WE'RE ALMOST AT OUR 90 MINUTE MARK.
LET'S TAKE A BREAK NOW AND RECONVENE AND THEN WE CAN JUST POWER THROUGH THAT DISCUSSION.
SO IT'S 1:19, SO IF WE COME BACK AT 1:30 P.M..
AND I'LL CALL OUR MEETING BACK TO ORDER.
[5. A discussion regarding Work Camps]
WARBURTON. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.I'D LIKE TO PUT IN MOTION A MOTION TO DIRECT ADMINISTRATION TO BRING FORWARD A ZONING BYLAW AMENDMENT TO ADD TEMPORARY WORK CAMPS TO THE KAM LAKE ZONE AND ANY OTHER APPROPRIATE ZONE, INCLUDING RECOMMENDATIONS ON THEIR DURATION OF USE, SECURITY REQUIREMENTS, PUBLIC ACCESS, AND ANY OTHER REASONABLE MEASURES REQUIRED TO ADDRESS POTENTIAL IMPACTS OF THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
WHERE DO WE HOUSE ALL THE WORKERS THAT COME TO OUR CITY TO WORK AT LOCAL BUSINESSES, STAFF, OUR SERVICE AND TOURISM INDUSTRIES AND WORK ON CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS TO LITERALLY BUILD OUR COMMUNITY? WHY SHOULD WE FOCUS ON ACCOMMODATING WORKERS WHILE RESIDENTS FACE A HOUSING CRISIS? THE REASON IS THAT THESE WORKERS AND BUSINESSES ARE NOW IN DIRECT COMPETITION WITH OUR OTHER RESIDENTS FOR ALREADY SCARCE RENTAL UNITS.
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UNLESS WE DO SOMETHING TO ADDRESS THIS, OUR HOUSING CRISIS WILL ONLY GET DRAMATICALLY WORSE.CURRENTLY, WE HAVE VERY LOW VACANCY RATES IN OUR RENTAL STOCK RENTAL HOUSING STOCK DUE TO OVER A DECADE OF BUILDING VERY FEW PURPOSE BUILT RENTAL UNITS AS WE SIMULTANEOUSLY LOST DOZENS AND DOZENS OF UNITS TO FIRES OR CHANGE OF USE.
THIS IS STILL NOT FAST ENOUGH TO DEAL WITH THE HOUSING SQUEEZE HITTING RIGHT NOW.
THE SHORT TERM SOLUTION, IN MY OPINION, IS WORK CAMPS.
LIKE ALL OF YOU, I WANT TO FOCUS ON BUILDING PERMANENT HOUSING.
THE REALITY IS WE JUST DO NOT HAVE THE TIME TO, WE DO NOT HAVE THE TIME TO WAIT AS WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF WORKERS COMING TO OUR CITY THIS SUMMER AND INCREASING OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS FOR PROJECTS SUCH AS GIANT MINE.
THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY IS WILLING TO STEP UP TO INVEST ITS TIME AND FUNDS TO BRING WORK CAMPS AS THEY SEE WHAT IS COMING AND ARE ALREADY FACING PROJECT DELAYS AND HUGE COST INCREASES DUE TO THIS.
THEY'RE BUILDING EVERYTHING FROM HOUSING TO WATER TREATMENT PLANTS, FLYING YOUR AIRPLANES AND WORKING AT THE GROCERY STORE WHEN WHEN THEY CANNOT HOUSE STAFF OR HAVE TO TAKE OVER ENTIRE HOTELS FOR YEARS AT A TIME, AS WE SAW WITH STANTON, FOR LARGER PROJECTS, THESE COSTS BECOME ALL OF OURS WITH DELAYED HOUSING PROJECTS, INCREASE BUILDING COSTS AND NO HOTEL ROOMS FOR TOURISTS OR VISITORS.
BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAY WORK CAMPS ARE NOT THE CHEAP ALTERNATIVE.
THIS IS NOT SKIRTING SOMETHING TO DO A CHEAPER VERSION.
THESE CAMPS CAN COST MILLIONS TO BUILD SHIP AND RUN.
IT WILL TAKE YEARS, BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO BEING BACK TO HIGHER VACANCY RATES.
ONCE WE'RE HEADING BACK IN THAT DIRECTION, WE'LL NO LONGER NEED THESE WORK CAMPS.
SO CREATING A TIME LIMIT I THINK IS APPROPRIATE.
WE ARE ALSO DOING THIS ALREADY.
WE ARE WE HAVE A LOT OF TEMPORARY USES THAT WE CURRENTLY ALLOW IN THE CITY.
THE AQUATIC CENTER IS A GOOD EXAMPLE.
SO WE'RE DOING IT. IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT CONTEXT.
THIS IS WHY MY MOTION STATES A NEED TO INCLUDE SECURITY REQUIREMENTS, LIMITING PUBLIC ACCESS TO THESE FACILITIES AND ANY OTHER REASONABLE MEASURES REQUIRED TO ADDRESS POTENTIAL ISSUES BY PERMITTING AND INSPECTING THESE WORK CAMPS UNDER A CITY BYLAW.
IF THEY'RE NOT PERMITTED, WE CAN'T CONTROL IT.
THE REALITY IN OUR COMMUNITY IS THAT THIS IS NOT JUST VULNERABLE PEOPLE THAT ARE HAVING A HARD TIME.
IT IS EVERYONE, INCLUDING THE PEOPLE WE ALL RELY ON TO KEEP OUR CITY SAFE.
I LOOK FORWARD TO OUR DISCUSSION.
SO JUST TO OUTLINE PROCESS, MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S UNDERSTANDING.
IF THE MOTION IS APPROVED AT THAT MEETING, THEN ADMINISTRATION WILL BEGIN WORKING ON THE MOTION.
IF COUNCIL IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE AMENDMENTS, IT WOULD BE BROUGHT FORWARD TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
AFTER THAT, FOR FIRST READING AS ITS ZONING BYLAW AMENDMENT, IT WOULD THEN HAVE TO HAVE A STATUTORY PUBLIC MEETING, WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT IT WOULD BE BROUGHT FORWARD TO A COUNCIL MEETING. AFTER THAT, AND AFTER THAT WE COULD MOVE TO SECOND OR THIRD READING.
IT MEANS THAT ADMINISTRATION WILL BEGIN WORKING ON THIS STARTING ON MAY 9TH.
WHEN THE ZONING BYLAW AMENDMENTS COME FORWARD LATER.
IT'S AGAIN, IT'S A CLEAN SLATE.
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YOU CAN CHOOSE TO SUPPORT OR OPPOSE OR MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE AMENDMENTS BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT ADMINISTRATION WILL PRESENT AT THAT TIME.SO AGAIN, A VOTE IN FAVOR TODAY DOES NOT BOUND YOU TO VOTE IN FAVOR IN THE FUTURE.
SO ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS. DISCUSSION.
COUNCILLOR MCGURK. I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.
I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT WORK CAMPS HAVE STATISTICALLY SHOWN TO INCREASE GENDER BASED VIOLENCE AND SEXUAL VIOLENCE, AND THAT THE REALITY IS, THOUGH, THAT WE ARE GOING TO SEE THAT WITH AN INCREASE WORKERS IN THE CITY NO MATTER WHAT.
I JUST THINK THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS IMPORTANT TO DISCUSS AND HAVE ON THE TABLE.
NOT ALL WORK CAMPS HAVE HAD THIS EXPERIENCE.
BUT I DO THINK THAT THAT SHOULD BE A CONSIDERATION AND IF THERE IS ANY WAY TO INCORPORATE IT INTO THE WAY THAT WE MOVE THIS FORWARD, THEN I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.
I THINK, AS COUNCILLOR WARBURTON SAID, IF IT'S NOT IF WE'RE NOT REGULATING IT, WE CAN'T REGULATE IT, RIGHT? SO IF WE WERE TO THIS, WE NEED TO FIND HOUSING FOR THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING HERE.
WE JUST LITERALLY DON'T HAVE THE SPACE TO PUT THEM THIS.
THEY WILL END UP IN THESE SPACES ANYWAY.
SO I THINK IT'S JUST A REALLY BIG KIND OF.
FRONT PAGE, TOP OF THE TOP OF THE PAGE ITEM FOR ME IN APPROVING THIS IS THAT THERE IS SOME SORT OF CONSIDERATION FOR THE FACT THAT WORKER CAMPS HAVE HAD LIKE STATISTICALLY SHOWN TO LIKE ESPECIALLY, BUT NOT JUST GENDER BASED VIOLENCE, BUT GENDER BASED VIOLENCE AND SEXUAL ASSAULT AND VIOLENCE IN GENERAL.
ALSO WORKPLACE SAFETY HAS IS CONSIDERABLY LOWER.
I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS GOING FORWARD.
I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE FACED WITH KIND OF A DOUBLE EDGED SWORD HERE.
SO I THINK THIS WOULD BE A GREAT SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM THAT WE DO HAVE.
UM, I HAVE WORKED UP IN A WORK KAMP AND I WASN'T FACED WITH ANY VIOLENCE.
BUT THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
IT JUST HAPPENED TO BE THAT I WAS IN A PLACE THAT IT WAS MANAGED.
I DO HAVE QUESTIONS THAT I'M SURE IF THIS DOES GET PUSHED FORWARD, THAT ADMINISTRATION WILL COME FORWARD WITH IN TERMS OF WHAT ARE THE POSSIBLE NEGATIVE AND POSITIVE IMPACTS THIS WOULD HAVE ALREADY CITING.
YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE INFLUX OF PEOPLE COMING IN, WHICH WOULD HELP OUR ECONOMY HELP WITH BUILDING.
SO THOSE ARE POSITIVES, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS SOME NEGATIVES.
SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM ADMINISTRATION ON THAT AS WELL AS WHERE WE ARE.
AGAIN, IF THIS GOES FORWARD WHERE WE WOULD THINK OF PUTTING THESE WORK CAMPS.
THE SYSTEM HAS DETECTED THAT A FEW LINES ARE STILL CONNECTED TO THE CONFERENCE AND WILL ATTEMPT TO DISCONNECT THEM IF YOU WISH TO REMAIN IN THE CONFERENCE, PLEASE PRESS STAR 150. TO DIAL OUT.
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LOVE IT. SO YEAH, SO I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM ADMINISTRATION IF THIS GETS BROUGHT FORWARD.
I FORGOT TO ASK ADMINISTRATION ON THE VIABILITY OF THE MOTION, RECOGNIZING PERHAPS JUST A BIT MORE WORDING THAT'S NEEDED.
MOTION TO DIRECT ADMINISTRATION TO BRING FORWARD A ZONING BYLAW AMENDMENT AND ANY OTHER LEGISLATIVE AMENDMENTS TO ADD WORK CAMPS TO THE KAM LEAGUE ZONE JUST IN CASE IT NEEDS ZONING BYLAW PLUS ANY OTHER LEGISLATIVE AMENDMENTS.
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MISS THISTLE. THANK YOU.I'D ALSO LIKE TO INDICATE THAT THE MOTION AS WRITTEN ALSO PRESUPPOSES THAT AMENDED RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO MAKE ZONING BYLAW CHANGES FOR OR TO ACCOMMODATE WORK CAMPS.
I WOULD SUGGEST THE WORDING MIGHT BE PREFERABLE THAT IT SAYS DIRECT ADMINISTRATION TO BRING FORWARD A MEMORANDUM REGARDING WORK ACCOMMODATIONS INSTEAD OF DIRECTING US TO BRING FORWARD ZONING BYLAW CHANGES TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
MISS WHITE, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? OKAY. SORRY. TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY.
YES. SO I JUST WANT TO TAKE ONE STEP BACK WITH REGARDS TO PLANNING PROCESSES.
IF WE LOOK AT OUR COMMUNITY PLAN, WE HAVE A DEFINITION FOR WORK CAMP, SO IT IS SPECIFICALLY DEFINED.
IT IS THEREFORE THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY PLAN IF WE LOOK NOT PERMITTED ANYWHERE.
SO WHEN THE COMMUNITY PLAN WAS CREATED AGAIN, PREVIOUS COUNCIL, PREVIOUS TO MY BEING HERE, THIS WAS OBVIOUSLY CONTEMPLATED AND PURPOSELY NOT INCLUDED. SO THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A REASON FOR THAT AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED BEFORE THE ZONING BYLAW AMENDMENT COULD BE EVEN CONSIDERED OR CONTEMPLATED. SO I AGREE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF MISS THISTLE THAT IT BE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO BRING FORWARD A MEMORANDUM WHICH WOULD OUTLINE THE PROCESS AS WELL AS ALL THE OTHER ITEMS THAT EACH COUNCILOR HAS IDENTIFIED TODAY.
I'LL JUST PLAY AROUND WITH SOME WORDING HERE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
YEAH, I'M ALSO IN SUPPORT OF THE THE MEMO.
WE'LL SEE VARIOUS PROJECTS THIS SUMMER AND GIANT MINE MOVING FORWARD.
I UNDERSTAND ADMINS, WORKLOAD AND PROCESS ISSUES AS JUST DISCUSSED.
HOWEVER, I BELIEVE THIS ISSUE NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN A TIMELY MANNER.
WE ARE ALREADY STARTING TO SEE THIS.
WE'VE SEEN THIS SEVERAL YEARS.
THERE CERTAINLY ARE SOME CONCERNS WITH WORK CAMPS.
AS COUNCILLOR MCGURK POINTS OUT, IT'S ESSENTIAL THAT THESE BE ADDRESSED.
I BELIEVE THEY CAN BE, THOUGH I WOULD LOOK TO OTHERS WITH MORE APPLICABLE EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE TO AFFIRM THIS, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THOSE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT SOLUTIONS TO THOSE CONCERNS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
COUNCILOR COCHRANE. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
I ALSO FULLY UNDERSTAND WHERE COUNCILLOR MCGURK IS COMING HERE, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE IDEAS THAT ADMINISTRATION CAN BRING FORWARD AROUND BEST PRACTICES, BEST JURISDICTIONAL PRACTICES, AND NEW OCCUPATIONAL HEALTH AND SAFETY STANDARDS THAT ARE PROBABLY ALREADY FOLLOWED DOWN IN PLACES LIKE FORT MAC.
THIS SEEMS TO BE THE BEST WAY FORWARD TO ADDRESS THE HOUSING ISSUE ON AN ALMOST IMMEDIATE BASIS.
AND THEREFORE, AGAIN, I FULLY SUPPORT THIS.
ANY OTHER COUNCILOR PAYNE? THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO ADD.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR HENDRIKSEN.
THIS IS ONE AND I KNOW COUNCILLOR PAYNE IS PROBABLY GOING TO GO OH NO, HE'S TALKING TOO MUCH.
I WON'T SAY IT TO YOUR FACE. PERFECT, THAT'S WONDERFUL.
WE DO NEED TO DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY.
THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES THROUGH MY HEAD.
WE NEED TO DEFINE WHAT TEMPORARY REALLY MEANS.
YOU KNOW, TEMPORARY HOUSING THAT COSTS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, IF NOT MILLIONS, TO SET UP IN ORDER TO MEET BUSINESS NEEDS MAY NOT BE SEEN TO BE ECONOMICALLY VIABLE BY BUSINESSES. WHICH THEN GETS ME TO THE QUESTION OF WHAT REALLY IS TEMPORARY.
AND WE REALLY NEED TO DEFINE THAT WHEN WE GO FORWARD.
SOME FARM OPERATIONS RUN REALLY WELL MAINTAINED, HOUSING THAT KEEPS WORKERS SAFE.
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BUT QUITE FRANKLY, OTHERS ARE ABYSMAL.SUBPAR HOUSING CONDITIONS CAN LEAD TO MENTAL AND PHYSICAL HEALTH CHALLENGES.
EVERYTHING COUNCILLOR MCGURK BROUGHT UP IN 2020, CRAMPED WORKER HOUSING CONDITIONS ON FARMS LED TO SOME OF THE HIGHEST MORTALITY RATES IN THE COUNTRY AT THE START OF THE PANDEMIC AMONGST POPULATIONS OUTSIDE OF LONG-TERM CARE HOMES.
SO SOME FURTHER CONCERNS I HAVE EXIST AROUND INFRASTRUCTURE SUCH AS WATER, SEWAGE AND TRANSPORT.
SO ON ONE HAND, WE AS A CITY ARE SPEAKING OF PERMANENT DEVELOPMENT THAT DENSIFIES.
ON THE OTHER HAND, THIS MOTION WOULD LIKELY EXPAND OUR LIVED FOOTPRINT ON TRUCKED WATER AND SEWAGE.
SO IF HOUSING IS TRULY TEMPORARY, I CAN DEFINITELY BE PERSUADED.
BUT OTHERWISE I THINK THIS IS A SQUARE PEG.
I'D REALLY STRUGGLE TO JAM INTO A ROUND HOLE, THEN GET ON TRANSPORTATION.
MORE RESIDENTS LIVING ON THE EDGE OF CITY BOUNDARIES.
TEMPORARY OR NOT, WE'LL PUT MORE DEMAND ON OUR ROADS.
SO IF THIS OPTION IS TO PROCEED, I WILL WANT TO SEE SOME TANGIBLE SOLUTIONS TO ENSURE THAT THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC DOESN'T LEAD TO INCREASE IN NEGATIVE INTERACTIONS BETWEEN CARS, BIKES, PEDESTRIANS ALL GOING OUT THE KAM LAKE ROAD WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE SOME INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS AND PEOPLE WILL BE COMING TO RESTAURANTS INTO TOWN, TO THE FIELDHOUSE MULTIPLEX DOWNTOWN.
SO THERE'LL BE AN INFLUX OF PEOPLE.
SO HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE MEETS THAT NEED? WE HAVE A NEED FOR HOUSING.
I BELIEVE THAT TRULY TEMPORARY SHORT TERM AND PERHAPS SEASONAL HOUSING IS A POTENTIAL TOOLBOX.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M IN SUPPORT OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THE RESEARCH AND THE WORK BY ADMINISTRATION.
YEAH, THAT'S THE REALLY LONG WAY TO SAY THAT.
WE DO NEED TO DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY.
WE KNOW THAT. WE KNOW THAT RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO BE FOR AND AGAINST THIS ONE.
IT'S JUST I KNOW THAT THESE ARE THINGS THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.
I KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE CONCERNED ABOUT.
WITH THAT DONE, I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
SO THE FIRST QUESTION FOR ADMINISTRATION AND I APPRECIATE YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS AT THIS TIME BECAUSE THIS IS A NEW MOTION, BUT ARE THERE ANY TERRITORIAL OR FEDERAL LEGISLATIVE OR REGULATORY GUIDANCE THAT WE WOULD THAT WE KNOW OF THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW AROUND THIS? AND YOU CAN SAY WE DON'T KNOW YET BECAUSE MISS THISTLE, THANK YOU.
THERE'S LARGER PIECES OF LEGISLATION LIKE THE PUBLIC HEALTH ACT THAT DICTATES STANDARDS OF LIVING.
SO THERE ARE QUITE STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS IN THOSE ABOUT WHERE YOU CAN PUT PEOPLE TO LIVE.
THERE'S NATIONAL BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS, BUILDING BYLAW REQUIREMENTS.
SO IN THAT WAY THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES ARE ADDRESSED.
AND MS. WHITE, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD AND WE NEED TO CONSIDER WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT THESE ARE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOT JUST RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS, BUT THERE'S ALSO LARGE KITCHENS THAT GO ALONG WITH THEM AS WELL AS OTHER TYPES OF USES.
OFFICE OF THE FIRE MARSHAL NEEDS TO BE PART OF THIS PROCESS AS WELL.
AND AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED BY MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT IS OUR FIRE SERVICE LOOK LIKE, WHAT DOES OUR INFRASTRUCTURE LOOK LIKE? ARE THERE OTHER LAND TENURE OPTIONS? SO THE MUNICIPALITY HAS SOME OPTIONS THERE THROUGH OUR LAND ADMINISTRATION BYLAW.
SO THERE ARE OTHER PIECES OF LEGISLATION OUTSIDE OF, AS MS..
THISTLE MENTIONED, OUR BUILDING BYLAW AND OUR ZONING BYLAW.
LIKE THERE IS A LARGER UMBRELLA THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT.
ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS DO WE AT THIS MOMENT, ARE WE AWARE OF AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE EXISTING, BUT HAVE WE DONE ANY INITIAL SORT OF SCOPING OF OTHER MUNICIPALITY BYLAWS IN CANADA WHERE WE COULD, YOU KNOW, PICK BEST CASE SCENARIOS? AND AGAIN, I EXPECT THAT THIS IS A NO, BUT I JUST WANT TO CHECK MISS THISTLE.
THANK YOU. I'M HAPPY TO SAY I DID VERY BRIEF RESEARCH A FEW WEEKS AGO THERE IN BC.
SO THERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES IN THAT RESPECT.
NOT EXACTLY ON PAR WITH WHAT WE'D BE TALKING ABOUT IN THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE.
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SO THEY'RE DEFINITELY NOT APPLES TO APPLES, BUT THERE ARE SOME JUST ON A BRIEF REVIEW, LIKE I SAID, IT WAS VERY BRIEF, BUT MUNICIPALITIES IN B.C.THAT HAVE BYLAWS THAT DO PERMIT THIS AND THEY OUTLINE THE REQUIREMENTS.
THERE'S TIMELINES AND MONEY AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.
MS.. WHITE DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? THANK YOU. YES.
AND SO AS PART OF THAT, WE DID AS ADMINISTRATION, TAKE A LOOK AT OTHER BYLAWS AND PROGRAMS THAT MUNICIPALITIES HAVE, MOSTLY IN ALBERTA AND ACTUALLY SASKATCHEWAN. IT WASN'T IN B.C.
OR ONTARIO, WHICH WERE MORE OF THE FARM WORKERS WE WERE LOOKING AT.
YEAH, THE LARGE MINE SITES AND WHAT THOSE ENTAIL.
SO WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON WHAT THOSE REGULATIONS CAN LOOK LIKE.
THE GENERAL TERM IS USUALLY THREE YEARS PLUS RE APPLICATION FOR EXTENSION.
SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING WHAT IS TEMPORARY, THAT'S WHAT TEMPORARY IS.
SO YEAH, WE HAVE A BIT OF THAT BACKGROUND INFORMATION.
AND I GUESS MAYBE JUST ONE MORE QUESTION FOR MAYOR.
ADMINISTRATION IS, YOU KNOW, JUST TAKE THE CHANCE TO ASK.
BUT RELATED TO HOUSING AND LAND, CAN YOU GIVE A BRIEF UPDATE ON THE STATUS OF WORK REGARDING BULK AND SMALL LAND TRANSFERS AND BRINGING THOSE TO MARKET? THANKS, MISS THISTLE.
SO I THINK WE MENTIONED IT OR MAYBE IT WAS OUR MANAGER WHO HAD MENTIONED IT WHEN I WAS AWAY THAT WE HAD BROUGHT SOME LAND IN NIVEN AND GOING TO BE BRINGING LAND IN GRAYSLAKE FORWARD.
I'M HAPPY TO SAY ALL THE LAND IN NIVEN, I BELIEVE, HAS BEEN SOLD AS OF TODAY.
SO THAT WAS WHAT, TWO WEEKS? AND THE BALLOT DRAW FOR GRACE IS GOING TO BE ON THURSDAY, THIS WEEK, MAY 4TH, I BELIEVE.
AND WE ARE ACTIVELY LOOKING NOT ONLY AT CONTINUING TO MOVE FORWARD THE PARCELS WITH OUR CONVERSATION FROM SORRY, COUNCILLOR FEQUET, YOU'RE OFF MUTE.
SORRY. SO WHERE WAS I? WE ARE WORKING WITH NWT LANDS TO MOVE FORWARD.
SOME OF THOSE. WE ACTUALLY HAD A RESPONSE FROM THEM LAST WEEK FROM THEIR MANAGER IDENTIFYING THAT THERE'S TWO PARCELS WE'D ASKED FOR THAT ARE READY TO BE TRANSFERRED FOR TITLE TRANSFER.
ONE OF THOSE PARCELS HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE SUBDIVIDED FOR RESIDENTIAL USE.
SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL SEE THAT COMING FORWARD SOON.
AND THEN THE OTHERS AGAIN, WE'RE WORKING ON THEM PIECE BY PIECE AS WE ARE ABLE TO.
THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND FINALLY, JUST AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR COUNCILLOR WARBURTON FOR BRINGING THIS REALLY TRICKY SUBJECT TO COUNCIL BECAUSE IT REALLY IS A DISCUSSION WE NEED TO HAVE AS A CITY. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT, MADAM MAYOR.
ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS ON THE PROPOSED MOTION? I DO. JUST ONE SEC.
CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YES, WE CAN.
YEAH, I SUPPORT THE PROPOSED MOTION AS WRITTEN WITH A SMALL FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO EXPLICITLY INCLUDE THE MISSING AND MURDERED INDIGENOUS WOMEN AND GIRLS CALLS FOR JUSTICE.
THE REASON I SAY AS AS WRITTEN IS BECAUSE I RECOGNIZE THERE'S A LOT OF STEPS.
AND I THINK THAT IT IS IT'S NOT A PRESUMPTION.
I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF A MEMO LOOKING AT THE PROS AND CONS SOLELY.
I DO WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS AND WHAT THE RECOMMENDED BYLAW UPDATES WOULD BE BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ANOTHER OBVIOUS SOLUTION BEFORE US AND WE DO NEED TO DEAL WITH THIS IN A TIMELY MANNER OR WE'RE GOING TO BE DEALING WITH A LOT WORSE ISSUES AS A COUNCIL.
WHEN THESE WORKERS MOVED TO TOWN AND, YOU KNOW, AS EARLY AS THIS SUMMER.
SO I THINK WE REALLY DO NEED TO TO ACTIVATE IT.
SO I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION AS WRITTEN WITH THAT, WITH THAT KIND OF SMALL TWEAK.
I OBVIOUSLY I WON'T BE JOINING YOU GUYS NEXT WEEK AT COUNCIL, BUT THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION.
AND ALSO TO ANSWER COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN QUESTION IN PART, THE MACKENZIE VALLEY LAND USE REGULATIONS DO APPLY WITHIN MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES, WHICH MEANS THAT ANY CAMPS THAT ARE OVER 200 OR 400 PERSON DAYS WOULD REQUIRE A TYPE B OR TYPE A LAND USE PERMIT, RESPECTIVELY, AND POTENTIALLY EVEN
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WATER LICENSE DEPENDING ON HOW LARGE THEY ARE OR WHAT ACTIVITIES THEY'RE THEY'RE HOPING TO DO.BUT LIKELY JUST A PERMIT, WHICH IS A GOOD FOR FIVE YEARS.
SO JUST THINKING ABOUT THAT, WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO THINK OF HOW WE MAY WANT TO ACCOMMODATE TEMPORARY WORK CAMPS, THOSE WOULD BE TIMELINES THAT KIND OF ARE ALREADY SET OUT IN LEGISLATION AND BIGGER THAN BIGGER THAN MUNICIPAL LEGISLATION.
I KNOW ADMINISTRATION IS WELL AWARE OF THE MISSING AND MURDERED INDIGENOUS WOMEN AND GIRLS AND THE THE ACTION THAT SPEAKS TO WORKCAMPS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN REFERENCED DURING OUR DISCUSSION DURING THE ZONING BYLAW.
SO I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY SAY WE'D INCLUDE IT IN OUR MOTION.
HOWEVER, IT'S BEEN RAISED AGAIN TODAY.
SO MEN WILL WILL REFERENCE IT IN THE MOTION OR THE MEMO WHEN IT COMES FORWARD.
SO I THINK WE CAN GO BROAD RECOGNIZING THAT THE MOTION ALREADY SPEAKS TO THE FACT THAT THEY SHOULD COME FORWARD WITH RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING SECURITY REQUIREMENTS TO ADDRESS POTENTIAL IMPACTS OF THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT AND JUST RECOGNIZING THAT THEY ARE COGNIZANT OF THAT ONE.
SO THAT WOULD JUST BE MY ONE THING FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION.
ANYTHING FURTHER FROM COUNCIL.
FOR MYSELF, I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION AGAIN.
HOWEVER, IT'S NOT REFERENCED ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
THEREFORE IT'S PROHIBITED BECAUSE IT'S MENTIONED.
IS THAT CORRECT, MISS THISTLE? MISS WHITE. THANK YOU.
IT'S FOR ANY LAND USE, PLANNING USE.
SO WHERE SOMETHING IS SPECIFICALLY PERMITTED, THEN THAT'S FINE.
IT'S IDENTIFIED AND THERE'S A REGULATION THAT TIES TO IT.
SO IN YOUR LAND USE DESIGNATION, IN YOUR COMMUNITY PLAN, YOU'LL SEE IT SAYS DEPENDING ON THE LAND USE DESIGNATION, SAY RESIDENTIAL OR MULTI UNIT, RESIDENTIAL OR MIXED USE OR ET CETERA. ET CETERA. ET CETERA.
THOSE ARE DEFINED TERMS, AS IS WORK KAMP.
WORK KAMP IS SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED.
SO IF IT'S NOT EXPLICITLY PERMITTED, THEN IT'S PROHIBITED.
SO IT NEEDS TO BE EITHER INCLUDED IN AN EXISTING LAND USE DESIGNATION OR A NEW LAND USE DESIGNATION NEEDS TO BE CREATED TO FACILITATE WORK CAMP BEING DEVELOPED SOMEWHERE AND WHAT THE PARAMETERS WOULD BE FOR THAT WOULD THEN FALL TO THE ZONING BYLAW.
AND IF WE'RE OPENING UP THE COMMUNITY PLAN FOR THIS, I WOULD ALSO PROBABLY BE PART OF MY RECOMMENDATION THAT WE LOOK AT THE DEFINITION THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE, BUT THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER KETTLE OF FISH.
SO FOR NOW, IT'S IT NEEDS TO BE PERMITTED SOMEWHERE IN ORDER FOR IT TO MOVE FORWARD.
WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO INCLUDE IT IN THE ZONING BYLAW.
IS THAT CORRECT, MISS THISTLE? MISS WHITE? NOT NECESSARILY, BECAUSE IT WAS CLEARLY CONTEMPLATED BY WHOEVER WROTE THE COMMUNITY PLAN SO THAT IT WOULD STICK OUT.
SO BY US JUST GOING IN AND REMOVING IT, I'M NOT SURE THAT I MEAN, I'D HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT FOLLOWS THE INTENT OF WHY IT WAS PUT IN THE POLICY IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND AGAINST DOING THAT.
BUT IN FUTURE, IF THERE ARE OTHER USES, I MEAN, WE DON'T GO THROUGH AND WHETHER IT'S THE COMMUNITY PLAN OR THE ZONING BYLAW AND LIST EVERY SINGLE USE, AND THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO FIT THINGS WHERE IT'S MOST APPROPRIATE OR SIMILAR USES.
HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
THANK YOU. YEAH, I DON'T THINK WE ACTUALLY CONTEMPLATED THAT IT SHOULD BE EXCLUDED OR THE FACT THAT JUST BY INCLUDING A DEFINITION THAT THEN IT WAS GOING TO PROHIBIT WORKCAMPS IN THE ZONING BYLAW.
AND SO WE'LL HAVE TO TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND SO HAPPY WITH THE THE REVISED MOTION DIRECTING ADMINISTRATION TO BRING FORWARD A MEMO REGARDING ANY ZONING, BYLAW AMENDMENTS AND ANY OTHER LEGISLATIVE AMENDMENTS.
SO IF IT IS THAT THE COMMUNITY PLAN HAS TO BE AMENDED TO EXPLICITLY ALLOW IT, OR SO BE IT, BUT LOOK
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FORWARD TO TO KIND OF GETTING INTO THAT MEATIER DISCUSSION AT A FUTURE DATE.ANYTHING FURTHER BEFORE I GIVE IT TO COUNCILLOR WARBURTON TO CLOSE.
WARBURTON. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.
YEAH, JUST TO KIND OF, I GUESS, THINK THROUGH A COUPLE OF THE POINTS THAT ARE BROUGHT UP HERE.
I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE TEMPORARY PART, SO I'M GLAD WE ADDRESSED WHAT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SOME IDEA OF WHAT THAT IS DEFINITION WISE AND ECONOMICALLY THESE THINGS ARE BY NATURE TEMPORARY CAMPS ARE INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE TO RUN.
SO AS SOON AS THEY'RE NOT NEEDED, THEY GET SHUT DOWN.
IT'S JUST THE MATH MAKES NO SENSE TO RUN THEM WITHOUT A PROJECT TIED TO THEM.
MODERN CAMPS, I'VE WORKED IN MANY.
THEY HAVE SECURITY, THEY OFTEN PROHIBIT NON THEY HAVE RULES AROUND ALCOHOL.
SO I KNOW FROM TALKING TO FOLKS AS WELL THAT THESE ARE NOT DEAL BREAKERS TO RUN A CAMP.
STANDARD OPERATIONS NOW IS A LOT OF THE ISSUES WE TALKED ABOUT.
THEY'RE THEY'RE WILLING TO DO THAT AND INVEST THAT MONEY TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.
LIKE YOU SAID, THESE THESE WORKERS ARE COMING TO TOWN AND THEY'RE LIKE, THEY ARE COMING.
AND THEY'D MUCH RATHER HAVE THEM IN A CONTROLLED LOCATION THAN FRETTING AROUND OUR CITY, TAKING UP HOUSING AND HOTEL ROOMS. UM, I THINK THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN IT.
YEAH. SO I WANT TO EMPHASIZE LIKE TEMPORARY QUICK.
AND THE EXAMPLE I REFERENCED IN MY, IN MY STATEMENT THERE ABOUT LIKE THE ACRES OUTSIDE THE AQUATIC CENTER, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN BY QUICK AND EASY, RIGHT? IN SOLVE A PROBLEM AND OUT.
SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO I UNDERSTAND AMENDING BYLAWS AND THINGS IS VERY HARD, BUT I'M WILLING TO, AS I SAID, ALL OPTIONS BECAUSE I'M CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT OTHER OPTIONS MIGHT BE FOR TEMPORARY USE THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE US TO DO SUCH A LENGTHY PROCESS.
AND AGAIN, IT'S THE REVISED ONE, WHICH IS DIRECTING ADMINISTRATION TO BRING FORWARD A MEMO REGARDING A ZONING BYLAW AMENDMENT AND ANY OTHER LEGISLATIVE AMENDMENTS TO ADD TEMPORARY WORK CAMPS TO THE KAM LAKE ZONE AND ANY OTHER APPROPRIATE ZONE, INCLUDING RECOMMENDATIONS ON THEIR DURATION OF USE, SECURITY REQUIREMENTS, PUBLIC ACCESS AND ANY OTHER REASONABLE MEASURES REQUIRED TO ADDRESS POTENTIAL IMPACTS TO THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
WITH THAT, THAT'S THE END OF OUR AGENDA.
IF I CAN GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN, MOVE BY COUNCILLOR COCHRANE, SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR.
MCGURK. ANYBODY OPPOSED? SEEING NONE, WE'LL SEE EVERYBODY AT GPC NEXT MONDAY.
HAVE A GOOD WEEK. THANKS, BRIAN.
SEE YOU. BYE.
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