[00:00:02] >> WE'LL CALL OUR COUNCIL ADMINISTRATION ROUNDTABLE AGENDA OR COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER FOR THURSDAY, APRIL 20TH, 2023. THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE ACKNOWLEDGES THAT WE'RE LOCATED ON CHIEF DRAGHI'S TERRITORY. FROM TIME AND MEMORIAL, IT HAS BEEN THE TRADITIONAL LAND OF THE YELLOWKNIFE STANLEY FIRST NATION. WE RESPECT THE HISTORIES, LANGUAGES, AND CULTURES OF ALL OTHER INDIGENOUS PEOPLES, INCLUDING THE NORTH SLAVE METI, AND THE FIRST NATIONS METI. ANYWAY, WHOSE PRESENCE CONTINUES TO ENRICH OUR VIBRANT COMMUNITY. DISCLOSURE OF PECUNIARY INTERESTS AND THE GENERAL NATURE THEREOF. DO WE HAVE ANY DISCLOSURE PECUNIARY INTEREST? SEEING NONE. I'LL HAND IT OVER TO MS. BASIKILIK. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR. IT'S GREAT TO BE AT CART. THIS IS A PUBLIC MEETING OF COUNCIL AND ADMINISTRATION. [2. A discussion regarding Water and Sewer.] IT'S THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS ISSUES THAT ARE OF INTERESTS THAT ARE REALLY PERTINENT. IT IS INFORMATION SHARING. THERE'S NO PROCESS TO ADVANCE BUSINESS, BUT IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR A LESS FORMAL, MORE INFORMAL AND MORE CHATTY OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT AN ISSUE. ADMINISTRATION SUPER GEEKS OUT OVER WATER AND SEWER. IT'S THE LIFEBLOOD OF WHAT WE DO. IT'S INCREDIBLY INTERESTING. EVERY TIME THAT I HEAR THE TEAM TALK ABOUT THIS, I LEARN SOMETHING MORE ABOUT IT. IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY TODAY FOR A PRESENTATION BY THE PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND OTHERS, OF COURSE, THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THIS. PUBLIC SAFETY CLEARLY WITH WATER AND SEWER PROTECTION, RECREATION, COMMUNITY SERVICES, PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT. EVERYONE'S GOT A STAKE IN THIS. I WILL TURN THINGS OVER TO CHRIS GREENCORN, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING, WHO WILL LEAD THROUGH AND AGAIN, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU, MADAM CHAIR, TO WELCOME QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THROUGHOUT. WE'RE REALLY INTO THE INFORMAL BACK-AND-FORTH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANKS. I'M GOING TO GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE SYSTEM JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH WHEN IT COMES TO INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE OVERALL LOOK AT THE SYSTEM. I'M NOT GOING TO BE VERY LONG, IT'S 11 SLIDES, BUT I'LL DIG THROUGH IT PRETTY QUICK. FEEL FREE TO ANSWER, ASK ANY QUESTIONS. AS SHE HAS MENTIONED, WE WANT IT TO BE FREE FLOWING, MORE OF A CONVERSATION, NOT FORMALIZED ROBERT'S RULES, SILLY STUFF. WHAT YOU'LL SEE HERE IS HOW THE TOWN IS BROKEN UP BOTH INTO A TRUCK DAMN PIPE SERVICES. THIS WAS PART OF THE EXPANSION STUDY THAT WE DID IN 2019 AND IT JUST DIVVIED UP THE DIFFERENT PARTS OF TOWN. EVERYTHING IS BASICALLY TRUCKED EXCEPT THE RED OUTLINED AREA AND OBVIOUSLY WITHOUT GRACE LAKE IS AN OFF RED, BUT IT'S ALSO TRUCKS. ONE OF THE INTERESTING POINTS IS, YOU KNOW WHAT THE CUTOFF ON OLD AIRPORT ROAD, IT'S WHERE PEOPLE DON'T NECESSARILY THINK. EVERYTHING NORTH OF BOARD AND DRIVE IS BASICALLY TRUCKED WATER SO RTL, GM, ALL OF THOSE AREAS ARE YEAH. STANTON NO THAT'S NOT STANTON PLUS I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF IT, BUT MY WORLD IS AND ALL THOSE FUN PLACES. THAT'S THE GENERAL BREAKDOWN OF THE TOWN. WE CAN GO BACK TO THIS MAP ANYTIME IF THERE'S SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON THAT. WE BREAK UP OUR PIPED INFRASTRUCTURE INTO TWO ASSET CATEGORIES, REALLY LINEAR ASSETS, WHICH IS BASICALLY ALL THE UNDERGROUND AND THE PERTINENCE IS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. I'VE GOT THEM LISTED THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY SURPRISES TO PEOPLE THEN WE HAVE COMPLEX OR POINT ASSETS. THEY'RE CALLED DIFFERENT THINGS BY DIFFERENT PEOPLE, BUT THERE ARE BASICALLY COMPLEX ASSETS LIKE PUMP HOSES, LIFT STATIONS, TREATMENT SYSTEMS, AND THE MORE IN-DEPTH PARTS OF OUR WATER AND SEWER SYSTEM. PUMP HOSE IS NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH LIFT STATIONS. COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LIQUIDS. SOME PEOPLE GET THEM CONFUSED. NOT TO BE CONFUSED AND WE HAVE MANY MORE LIFT STATIONS AROUND TOWN OBVIOUSLY. HERE'S A QUICK OVERVIEW. IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING BECAUSE WE HAVE ONE OF THE MOST COMPLEX WATER SYSTEMS IN CANADA. IT'S ALWAYS CIRCULATING AND IT'S TEMPERED. THIS HELPS US WITH FREEZE PROTECTION MAINLY, IT ALSO HELPS US MAINTAIN CHLORINE RESIDUALS ALL OVER TOWN INSTEAD OF MEGA DOSING ONE END. LIKE IF YOU LIVE IN HALIFAX AND YOU LIVE CLOSE TO A CHLORINE STATION, YOU'RE GETTING A HEAVY DOSE OF CHLORINE. BUT IN YELLOWKNIFE IT'S EQUALLY DISTRIBUTED FOR THE MOST PART, WE DO HAVE SOME HIGH-END DOSES NEXT TO, I THINK THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT AND PUMP HOUSE. BUT FOR THE MOST PART WE'RE ABLE TO CONTROL THAT TO ALL REGULATORY LEVELS. HERE YOU CAN SEE MY POINTER DOESN'T WORK UP THERE AND I CAN'T SEE BEHIND ME, BUT THE RIVER AND WATER TREATMENT PLANT IS OVER ON YOUR LOWER RIGHT-HAND SIDE. WE HAVE DIFFERENT CIRCULATION LOOPS IN THE DOWNTOWN AS WELL AS [00:05:01] THAT FEEDS INTO THE RESERVOIR 3 AT PUMP HOSE 3 ON RESERVOIR ROAD, APTLY NAMED BY TOMMY FLOORS BALLPARK AND WE HAVE SEVERAL CIRCULATION LOOPS IN THERE. WE HAVE EVEN LAKE, WHICH IS AN OFFSHOOT, IS ALSO A CIRCULATION SYSTEM WITH ITS OWN BOOSTER PUMP AND THEN WE HAVE RESERVOIR 4 OR AT PUMP HOSE 4, WHICH BASICALLY FEEDS THE FRAME LAKE FRAME LAKE AREA. OUR WATER IS CONSTANTLY MOVING THROUGHOUT YELLOWKNIFE. THIS ALLOWS US TO NOT FREEZE UP BASICALLY. AGAIN, ANY QUESTIONS I CAN BOUNCE BACK TO THESE PRETTY QUICKLY. SEWER IS SIMILAR ON I GUESS IN SETUP. POOP FLOWS DOWNHILL. IT ALL FLOWS TO A CENTRALIZED LIFT STATION IN EACH NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS THEN FORCED BACK TO EITHER PUMP HOUSE 5 OR LIFT STATION 5, SEE I CONFUSE THEM. LIFT STATION 5 OR LIFT STATION 6, WHICH THEN FORCE OUT TO THE LAGOON WHICH IS ON YOUR LEFT. THESE ARE JUST ALL THE LIFT STATIONS THAT ARE SCATTERED THROUGHOUT YELLOWKNIFE THAT WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF ADDED SINCE THIS GRAPHIC WAS MADE. I BELIEVE NORTHLAND IS NOT IN THERE, BUT WE CAN UPDATE THIS GRAPHIC AND THERE'S ANOTHER ONE AND EVEN LIKE I BELIEVE IT'S NOT THERE. [INAUDIBLE]. >> CORRECT? >> WHAT IS THE CENTRAL BUSINESS? >> DONE BY SIR JOHN? YOU'LL NOTICE THE AROMA IN THE DOWNTOWN WHEN WE DO LIFT STATION CLEANING AT, SIR JOHN, WHAT DO WE DO WITH IT? IS THAT ONCE A YEAR? >> TWICE A YEAR. >> SOME OF THEM TWICE A YEAR, SOME ONCE A YEAR. OUR CREWS ARE ALWAYS INSPECTING ON A REGULAR BASIS TO SEE WHICH ONES NEED THE REGULAR MAINTENANCE. SOME NEED MORE MAINTENANCE THAN OTHERS. BUT THEY'RE ALL HEAVILY USED FACILITIES. THEN WE GET TO THE TRUCK PORTION. THERE'S OBVIOUSLY THE WATER AND SEWER DIFFERENT THINGS ASSOCIATED WITH IT. WE HAVE TO TRUCK FILL LOCATIONS AT PUMP HOSE 4 WE HAVE A CONTRACT OR TRUCK FILL WHICH IS OPERATED BY WB THAT'S UNSCHOOLED DRAW. THAT'S BEEN HISTORICALLY MAINTAINED BY THE CITY, BUT WE'VE BEEN TRANSFERRING THAT OVER TO THE PRIVATE BUSINESS IN ASSOCIATION WITH THE TRUCKS SERVICES CONTRACTS. WE HAVE TWO RV FILLS NOW STILL WANT TO PUMP HOSE 4 FOR THE MEANTIME AND ANOTHER ONE ON A NEW ONE ON KAM LAKE ROAD TO ACCOMMODATE GROWTH AND INCREASED DEMAND AND I JUST PUT NOT TO BE USED FOR COMMERCIAL FILLS THERE. THIS IS A HOSE FIELD AND HELP FILL RVS AND STUFF SO WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE USING IT FOR FOR LARGER THINGS. THAT'S WHAT THE ACTUAL TRUCK FILLS ARE FOR. SIMILARLY TO THE SANITARY SEWAGE PUMP OUT LOCATIONS, WE'VE GOT THREE IN TOWN AND NOW WE'VE GOT THREE FUNCTIONING RV DUMPS TO ADDRESS THAT INCREASED DEMAND AND SEPARATE CONTRACTS OBVIOUSLY FOR BOTH THOSE SERVICES. OUR STAFF COMPLEMENT SORRY, WENDY, YOU DIDN'T MAKE THE LIST. BUT ASHLEY RIGHT HERE TO MY IMMEDIATE RIGHT, IS THE MANAGER OF OPERATIONS. HE OVERSEES ALL CRUISE AT THE GARAGE SO THAT'S THE WATER AND SEWER, ROADS AND SIDEWALKS FLEET. ASPECTS OF THE PUBLIC WORKS OPERATIONS CREW. MARK BOND IS OUR SUPERINTENDENT OF WATER SEWER, AND HE HANDLES THESE TWO DIVISIONS. THESE AREN'T THE FORMAL NAMES OF THE DIVISIONS, BUT IT'S FOR SIMPLICITY AND TO TRY TO DRAW RESPONSIBILITIES BACK TO THAT. I'VE NAMED THEM LINEAR AND COMPLEX AND HOW THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES ARE DIVVIED UP. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF ACRONYMS THERE, BUT GENERALLY THEY SPEAK TO WATER, LIKE THE FIRST ONE IS WATER TREATMENT PLANT AND WASTEWATER DISPOSAL SUPERVISOR. IT'S ALWAYS WATER AND WASTEWATER OR SOME DERIVATION OF THAT OR PUMP HOSES AND LIFT STATIONS MAINTAIN OR ARE THOSE OTHER ACRONYMS? OUR ANNUAL OPERATING BUDGET, PAGE 91, WATER AND SEWER FUND, THIS IS HOW WE'VE BASICALLY BROKEN UP OUR EXPENDITURES BY ACTIVITY. IN THEORY, OUR SEWER AS MUCH CHEAPER TO OPERATE UNDERWATER. THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE A LAGOON SYSTEM. I ALWAYS THROW AMORTIZATION IN THERE FOR CHERYL LYNN, SO SHE'S NOT MAD AT ME. [LAUGHTER] BUT THAT'S THE OVERALL OPERATING COSTS THAT YOU'LL SEE ON THAT PAGE OF THE BUDGET AND HOW, DEBTS IS OUR BEST GUESS ON HOW WE SPLIT OUR TIME BASED ON SALARIES, BENEFITS, CONTRACTED COSTS, AND ALL THE OTHER THEY EXPENDITURES ASSOCIATED WITH MAINTAINING OUR WATER AND SEWER SYSTEM. THIS ALSO INCLUDES THOSE TRUCKS SERVICES, CONTRACTS ON THE OPERATIONS SIDE, CAPITAL INVESTMENTS, I'VE TRIED TO SUMMARIZE OVER THE PAST 20 YEARS, IT'S ABOUT $154 MILLION. WE'VE INVESTED HEAVILY ON A NUMBER OF FRONTS. BIG ONE WAS THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT BECAUSE OF CHANGES TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH LEGISLATION WHICH REQUIRED US TO LEGALLY FOLLOW DRINKING WATER GUIDELINES AND THAT SAYS ANY SURFACE WATER SOURCE HAS TO BE FILTERED. THAT THEREFORE, WHEN THAT WAS ADOPTED AS LEGISLATION, [00:10:03] WE HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO FILTER WATER. NORTHLANDS LOCAL IMPROVEMENT. THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WE DID IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS A LOCAL IMPROVEMENT. THAT WAS A HEAVY PROJECT THAT I FORGOT TO INTRODUCE WENDY, I APOLOGIZE. SHE'S OUR MANAGER OF ENGINEERING AND SHE BASICALLY DID THIS HERSELF. WELL, WENDY DO YOU PROBABLY BRING MUCH DID THIS WHOLE LIST. [LAUGHTER] NOT TO SAY THAT SHE'S FORGETTABLE, BUT SHE GETS HER PROMPTS A LOT. CWWF FUNDING WAS A LAST MINUTE, IN MY OPINION, INFLUX OF CASH FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. IT HAD VERY STRICT REQUIREMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT. IT COULDN'T BE INCREMENTAL, WHICH MEANT IT COULD NOT BE IN PART OF OUR CAPITAL PLAN. IT HAD TO BE SOMETHING THAT WASN'T PLANNED FOR. IT WAS TO HELP ADDRESS INFRASTRUCTURE, THINGS THAT YOU DIDN'T SEE COMING. IT WAS VERY GENEROUS AND WE APPRECIATED IT, BUT IT WAS LAST MINUTE AND WE THREW A LOT OF THAT INTO UNDERGROUND BECAUSE IT WAS THE LOW-HANGING FRUIT THAT WE COULD GET OUT THE GATE. >> QUICK INSTRUCTIONS ON TANNA ROAD. >> CWWF WAS FRANKLIN IT WAS CALLED OR CRESCENT. IT WAS, [INAUDIBLE] IT WAS SEVERAL SEVERAL OF THOSE STREETS MOST FRANKLIN TOOK THE BULK OF IT AROUND THE CBC CORNER THERE. WHILE IT WAS GREAT INVESTMENTS AND IT ALLOWED US TO ELIMINATE THE FINAL PORTIONS OF OUR CORRUGATED METAL PIPE PROGRAM. COUNCIL IS NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT. WHEN YELLOWKNIFE WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT, MANY OF OUR SEWERS WERE BUILT WITH VERY THIN CORRUGATED METAL PIPE THAT'S USUALLY USED FOR CULVERTS. YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT OVERTIME. THE BOTTOMS JUST ROTTED RIGHT OUT OF IT AND IT WAS CAUSING US A LOT OF PROBLEMS BECAUSE THEN THEY WOULD JUST COLLAPSE. REACTIVE MAINTENANCE IS ROUGHLY THREE TIMES THE COST OF PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE. IT REALLY BECAME EVIDENT IN 2010-ISH, I CAN'T REMEMBER ON MUNGER AVENUE WHERE WE HAD A COLLAPSE AND IT COST US ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS TO DO A REPAIR THAT COULD HAVE COST US PROBABLY HALF OF THAT IN PLANNED CAPITAL. JUST AN EXAMPLE ON HOW REACTIVE MAINTENANCE IS NOT SUPER GREAT. >> HOW MUCH OF THIS CORRUGATED PIPING IS STILL [INAUDIBLE] CITY? >> NOTHING. WE'VE GOT RID OF IT. THIS WAS THE FINAL SHOT. THIS DID HELP US GET RID OF THE CORRUGATED METAL PIPE. THEN WE MOVED ON TO OTHER THINGS. ALSO IN THIS TIMEFRAME, WE DID LIFT STATE PUMPHOUSE 6. WE'VE ADDED FIVE NEW LIFT STATIONS AND WE'VE INVESTED APPROXIMATELY FOUR MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR INTO CAPITAL. THAT'S VARIED OVER THE YEARS, BUT I HAD TO PUT A ROUGH FIGURE TO IT. I WOULD SAY THIS IS PROBABLY ON THE LOW END. IF I WENT AND ADDED EVERY YEAR, IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT. SOME CHALLENGES WITH BOTH SYSTEMS. OBVIOUSLY, WE LIVE IN THE NORTH, WE HAVE LEAKS, WE HAVE KNOWN LEAKS, WE HAVE UNKNOWN LEAKS. THEY TEND TO NOT LET US KNOW THEY'RE COMING. THAT CAUSES PROBLEMS. WE HAVE LEAK DETECTION EQUIPMENT. SORRY. YEAH. >> COULD YOU SPEAK [INAUDIBLE] >> YEAH. WELL, WE'VE BEEN CHASING, MARK AND ASHLEY ARE PROBABLY GOING TO LAUGH, BUT WE'VE BEEN CHASING LEAKS IN A CO-OP AREA OF TOWN FOR THE BETTER PART OF A DECADE. THEY END UP SURFACING AND MAKE THEIR WAY THROUGH THE STORMWATER SYSTEM INTO THE FRAME LAKE, WHICH MANIFESTS ITSELF AT THE CO-OP CORNER. YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF MAINTENANCE HAPPENING THERE. WE DO ENHANCE LEAK DETECTION THERE AND WE'VE GOT ALL THAT TRACKED TO WORK ORDERS. >> WE STILL HAVE [INAUDIBLE] >> WE FIND MULTIPLE. BUT WE ALSO THINK THERE'S SOME OTHER MOVING GROUNDWATER IN THE AREA THERE BECAUSE AS MANY AS WE CATCH AND WE FIX, WE'D NEVER HAVE ELIMINATED IT AND THAT'S CAUSED PROBLEMS FURTHER DOWNSTREAM. IN ONE YEAR, IT CAUSED A HUGE AMOUNT OF [NOISE] BASICALLY MOVEMENT THROUGH THE WHOLE LAKE SYSTEM HERE WHICH ENDS UP EXITING OR LETTING INTO NIVEN LAKE, WHICH OUTLETS INTO BACK BAY AND WE HAD SOME OVERTURNING OF THE LAKE LATE IN THE SEASON AND STUFF AND IT CAUSED SOME MOTOR ISSUES AND WE FOUND THAT ONE. THAT WAS A BIG ONE. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE THAT WAS. >> COULD YOU RING TO NIVEN? >> YEAH. [NOISE] I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE IT WAS. I REMEMBER YOU GUYS SAYING WE FIXED IT THOUGH, BUT WE DID GET A HOLD OF A BIG ONE WHICH DRIED UP A LOT OF IT, BUT THERE'S STILL MOVEMENT THERE. [OVERLAPPING] [BACKGROUND] >> WE HAD TO RELOCATE SOME BEAVER. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> YEAH, NO ONE ELSE [INAUDIBLE] WHAT WERE THOSE NOTES? [00:15:03] >> WHAT WERE THEY? >> YEAH. >> WELL, NIVEN LAKE USED TO BE A SEWAGE LAGOON IN THE '80S, AND TWICE A YEAR JUST THROUGH, I FORGET WHAT THE SPECIFIC TECHNICAL TERM IS. THE LAKE TURNS OVER TWICE A YEAR. WARM AIR FORCES WARM WATER DOWN AND COLD WATER COMES BACK OUT AROUND, SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. SOME YEARS IT'S LESS THAN OTHERS, BUT YOU'LL GET AN AROMA FROM NIVEN LAKE ON OCCASION. CHALLENGES ON THE WATERSIDE, WE'RE ALSO SEEING INCREASING OPERATING AND CAPITAL COST. WHEN THERE'S AN INCREASE ON ANY FRONT SUCH AS ELECTRICITY, DIESEL FUEL, ANY OF THOSE, WE CALL IT FORCED GROWTH, THAT OBVIOUSLY IMPACTS OUR OPERATING COSTS AND THEREFORE THE WATER AND SEWER FUND AND WHAT WE NEED TO RECOUP FROM THAT. WE'RE NO DIFFERENT THAN ANYONE ELSE AS A CORPORATION OR A RESIDENT. WE'RE SUBJECT TO THOSE INCREASES AND WE HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE FOR THEM IN OUR BUDGETING AND OPERATIONS HIERARCHY. WE'VE ALSO SEEN INCREASED REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS. EVERYBODY IS DOING THEIR JOBS, SO WE RESPECT THAT THOROUGHLY THROUGH OUR REGULATORY PARTNERS, BUT WITH THAT ALSO COMES INCREASED COSTS AND REQUIREMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. WE ALSO STILL HAVE AGING INFRASTRUCTURE DESPITE THE HEAVY INVESTMENTS THAT I'VE HIGHLIGHTED ON THE PREVIOUS PAGE. A LOT OF OUR DUCTILE IRON PIPE HASN'T BEEN TOUCHED IN YEARS. I DON'T HAVE STATS RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT STEPHEN WILL BE HELPING US WITH THAT. >> MY FAULT. WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED [INAUDIBLE] >> ON THE SEWER SIDE OF THINGS, SIMILAR PROBLEMS. INCREASED OPERATING COSTS, THINGS LIKE THAT, BACKUPS, POOR GRADE ON SOME SEWER MAINS, BOTH INHERITED AND OF OUR OWN MAKING DEPENDING ON THE AREA OF TOWN WHERE YOU JUST HAVE NO CHOICE TO PUT IT IN SHALLOW BARRIER, SHALLOW GRADED SEWER MAINS. NORTHLAND WAS A GOOD EXAMPLE. WHEN NORTHLAND WAS BUILT, IT WAS A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT AND THEY ZIG-ZAG DOMAINS THROUGH SO THEY COULD GET GRADES WHEREVER THEY WANTED. WHAT THAT MEANT WAS THAT TRAILERS OR HOMES WERE SERVICED SOMETIMES FROM THE FRONT, SOMETIMES FROM THE BACK, SOMETIMES FROM MID-TRAILER, IT WAS A MISHMASH OF EVERYTHING. WHEN WE TOOK THAT OVER AND WE REDESIGNED THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE PUT ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE ROADS AND THAT REALLY SHALLOWED. NORTHLANDS IS FLAT FOR THE MOST PART. THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE ELEVATION AT THE BACK BUT IT'S FLAT AND THAT CAUSED US TO SHALLOW OUT SOME MAINS THERE. WE ALSO HAD TO PUT IN A LIFT STATION SPECIFICALLY FOR NORTHLANDS TO HELP WITH THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. YEAH, WE'VE INHERITED SOME OF THAT. OUR CREWS HAVE TO GO ON A REGULAR BASIS AND FLUSH ONCE A WEEK. WEEKLY BETWEEN CATALINA AND NORSEMEN, BECAUSE IF IT'S SHALLOW IT DOESN'T MOVE MUCH, SO IT BUILDS UP. THERE'S THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE'VE INHERITED OVER THE YEARS. SURFACE WATER LINES IS ANOTHER ONE. SURFACE WATER LINES IS A UNIQUE SITUATION SPECIFIC TO ONE PART OF TOWN, I WOULD CALL IT LEGACY INFRASTRUCTURE. IT'S INFRASTRUCTURE THAT RUNS THROUGH YARDS, THROUGH PLACES THAT WE CAN'T GET. WE DO OUR BEST TO MAINTAIN IT, BUT IT'S FAILING. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT HAVING A BIGGER CONVERSATION. WE CAN DO THAT TODAY. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON SURFACE WATER LINES, BUT THERE'S NO WAY TO REPLACE THAT OR IMPLEMENT A PLAN FOR THAT, IT'S A HIGHER SERVICE LEVEL FOR A SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOOD THAT OTHER AREAS DON'T GET. >> DO YOU KNOW WHAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE SPECIFIC? >> JUST OLD TOWN. >> I WILL TAKE MY HAT OFF AS CITY MANAGER AND TALK AS A RESIDENT OF OLD TOWN. WE GOT HOSES THAT GO IN THE ALLEYWAYS BEHIND OUR HOUSE. YES, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW. THAT'S RIGHT. FABULOUS. I CAN GET MY WATER ON 24 HOURS A DAY [INAUDIBLE] AND SO CREATE THE AVERAGE RATE THAT I'VE PAID FROM SEPTEMBER TO MAY. THERE IS A LOT OF WATER USE, A LOT OF WATER ABUSE. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS LITERALLY [INAUDIBLE] AND SO I WILL SOMETIMES SEE IN THE SPRINGTIME MARK AND ASHLEY AND THE TEAM WANDERING AROUND THE ALLEY [INAUDIBLE] BEHIND MY HOUSE, FIXING THESE THINGS. IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE FOR US AT ALL. THE COST OF WATER IS NOT [NOISE] [INAUDIBLE]. IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE TO HAVE THOSE [INAUDIBLE]. [00:20:05] SYSTEM THAT DOES PROVIDE A BIT OF IN MANY WAYS. >> DO WE HAVE OPTIONS ABOUT HOW TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THIS? >> WE WOULD JUST BASICALLY EXTEND JUST CONTINUE TRUCKED ALL YEAR ROUND. AND THEN ON AVERAGE, I GOT THE NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME, STAFF ARE SPENDING ALMOST 1,000 HOURS JUST ON SURFACE WATER LINES AND THAT'S A LOT. PARTICULARLY THE SURFACE WATER LINES, NOT TO BEAT IT TOO MUCH, BUT IT ALSO COMES AT A HORRIBLE TIME OF THE YEAR. EVERYBODY WANTS SURFACE WATER LINES ON, AND THEY WANT THEM DONE USUALLY JUNE, RIGHT? >> JUNE. >> BUT THAT'S WHEN EVERYTHING ELSE IS HITTING US. THAT'S WHEN WE'VE GOT A RECORD NUMBER OF WATER BREAKS. THAT'S WHEN WE'VE GOT STORM SEWER FLUSHING AND MAINTENANCE TO TRY TO MAKE SURE STORMS ARE GOING WHERE WE'RE INCREASING STREET SWEEPING MAINTENANCE. ALL SYSTEMS GO IN THAT TIME. TO DEDICATE ALMOST 1,000 HOURS OF STAFF TIME TO JUST TO CHASE LEAKS AROUND A SPECIFIC PLASTIC PIPE. IT'S GETTING HARDER TO JUSTIFY ON OUR END. WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW IS, IT'S TAKING US WEEKS TO FIND PROBLEMS. LAST YEAR, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. IT WAS ONE VALVE BURIED IN SOMEONE'S YARD AND IT WAS CAUSING A MAJOR PROBLEM ISSUE. WE WERE FIELDING SO MANY PRESSURE COMPLAINTS, LIKE PRESSURES WERE DROPPING ALL THROUGH THE SURFACE WATER LINE SYSTEM AND IT WAS THIS ONE VALVE THAT WE LOCKED ON. I THINK YOU GUYS FOUND IT, DID YOU? >> YEAH, IT WAS JADI. IT'S NOT TRULY A SURFACE WATER [OVERLAPPING] >> SOME OF THEM ARE BURIED, WE CAN'T FIND THEM. AS THAT FAILS, WE'LL BE MOVING AWAY FROM THAT. >> THE BREWPUB ACTUALLY UTILIZES THIS SURFACE BREWPUB WATER. >> NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. >> NOT THE ACTUAL BREWPUB ITSELF, BUT THE ACTUAL [INAUDIBLE] STATION. >> THEIR BREWERY OPERATION IS NOW ON SCHOOL DRAW, WHICH IS PIPED WATER. THE RESTAURANT ITSELF IS ON TRACK. >> HOW OLD IS THIS? >> IT'S OLDER THAN ALL OF US. [LAUGHTER]. >> IT'S GOT TO BE AT LEAST 40. >> PROBABLY. >> [OVERLAPPING] I GUESS. SOME IT'S NEWER, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF STUFF IN THE GROUND, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME. IT RUNS THROUGH YARDS AND ALL SORTS OF STUFF. FOR EXAMPLE, LAST YEAR WE REALIZED SOMETHING WAS PAVING AND WE KNEW THE SURFACE WATER LINE HAD RUN ALONG THAT EDGE, I THINK IT WAS ON MORRISON WHERE WE KNEW THAT THE SURFACE WATER LINES UNDERNEATH WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE PAVING. THE MINUTE THEY PAID A DRIVEWAY, IT'S BURIED AND WE CAN NO LONGER ACCESS IT. WE END UP CATCHING, ONE OF THE GUYS END UP SAYING, HEY, WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. PUT A PIECE OF PIPE UNDERGROUND. NOW WE CAN ACTUALLY SLIDE SOMETHING IN AND OUT OF IT, WE HAVE TO REPLACE IT. BUT, IT'S VERY OLD. >> IT'S A DIFFICULT [OVERLAPPING]. SORRY. >> SORRY TO INTERRUPT. JUST IF YOU'RE SPEAKING JUST MAKE SURE YOU USE YOUR MIC BECAUSE THE SOUND WILL NOT BE ON WEBCAST OTHERWISE [INAUDIBLE]. THANKS >> GENERALLY SPEAKING, I THINK THESE CONVERSATION IS GOING TO BE HARD TO CATCH ON WEBCAST, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. DO OUR BEST. IT'S CURVED BALLS LIKE THAT THAT OCCUPY A LOT OF STAFF TIME AND WITH PUBLIC WORKS WE'RE SUBJECT TO EXTERNAL FACTORS. THAT MAY BE SOME, NOT SAYING OTHER DEPARTMENTS, BUT WE'RE ALL SUBJECT TO THEM TO SOME EXTENT. BUT FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN HOMES NORTH EXPANDS A NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S A HUGE IMPACT ON US. HOLLOW CRESTS AND ALONE WAS AN EXTRA 5% OR 6% INCREASE IN MAINS AND SERVICES AND IMPACTS TO OPERATION. IT ALSO IMPACTS OBVIOUSLY, FIRE DEPARTMENT HAVE THE CHANCE OF MORE CALLS. GRANT HAS PARKS IN THE AREA AND THINGS LIKE THAT. >> I CAN EVEN JUST ADD IN ON THAT. FOR EXAMPLE, AT OUR WEEKLY DIRECTORS MEETINGS MAY BE MORE THAN A YEAR OR MORE AGO, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT A POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD BE COMING IN THE DOWNTOWN. PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT BROUGHT FORWARD THAT THERE WAS A DEVELOPMENT PERMIT APPLICATION COMING FOR A HIGH-RISE BUILDING NEAR ANDERSON THOMPSON VICINITY. WE'RE ALL EXCITED UNTIL CHRIS'S FACE FELL AS HE WAS THINKING, OH MY GOD, LIFT STATION 1. THE CAPACITY OF LIFT STATION 1 TO TAKE ON NEW DEVELOPMENTS. CLEARLY AS THE CITY LOOK AT THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT, WE GET VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT. IT'S MAKING SURE THAT WE'VE GOT ADEQUATE MUNICIPAL INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE GOD FORBID, WE SHOULD EVER BE AT THE POINT WHERE, SORRY, NO, WE CAN'T APPROVE THIS BECAUSE WE WON'T BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN THE WATER AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE. WE WILL NEVER WANT TO BE AT THAT POINT. BUT AS WE PLAN FOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS TO HAPPEN, [00:25:01] AND WE MUST MAKE SURE THAT THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IS THERE. >> I GUESS, ON THAT NOTE, WHERE IS THE LINE IN TERMS OF WHEN A DEVELOPER IS WANTING TO USE PROPERTY AND WHERE THEY ARE CONTRIBUTING TO. I KNOW SOMETIMES CONTRIBUTE TO THAT DEVELOPMENT COST. I KNOW SOMETIMES IN DEVELOPMENTS, PEOPLE TAKE ALL OF THE UTILITY SYSTEMS, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT IF WE HAVE STANDARDS FOR THAT OR WHAT. I THINK ESPECIALLY, NO, IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT BETWEEN A NEW GREEN FIELD OR WHAT HAVE YOU OR DOWNTOWN WITH EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE. >> YEAH. IT'S VERY SITE-SPECIFIC AND DEVELOPMENT SPECIFIC. FOR EXAMPLE, HOMES NORTH TOOK ON ALL OF THAT. WE INHERITED IT AND WE TOOK IT OVER A CITY INFRASTRUCTURE ONCE THEY'VE INSTALLED IT. SOME OTHER DEVELOPMENTS ARE LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE ALREADY ADJACENT. THEN OTHER DEVELOPERS, NO, THAT'S BASICALLY THE TWO SCENARIOS. I WAS THINKING OF COPPER SKY AND NIVEN HEIGHTS, BUT THEY ALSO INSTALLED THEIR OWN INFRASTRUCTURE. IT'S REALLY SAY SITE-SPECIFIC. FEEL FREE TO KEEP FIRING QUESTIONS BECAUSE I'M ON THE LAST SLIDE AND IT'S WORKED OUT PRETTY GOOD. BECAUSE WE HAVE A HALF-HOUR TO STILL BEAT THINGS AROUND. SOME TAKEAWAYS FROM THIS IS, WE'VE SEEN OVER THE YEARS THROUGH BUDGET AND THROUGH DELIBERATIONS AND EVEN OUT ON THE STREET, A LOT OF UNDERGROUND WORK. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE AWAY FROM THAT A LITTLE BIT, NOT COMPLETELY, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE LESS HEAVY ON UNDERGROUND AND WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE FUNDING TOWARDS COMPLEX ASSETS, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE FALL WITH THE LIFT STATION 1, PIVOT AWAY FROM UNDERGROUND TO HELP INCREASE FUNDING FOR THAT SPECIFIC PROJECT. WE WANT TO START GETTING SOME MORE INVESTMENT ON OUR COMPLEX ASSETS. BECAUSE FOR THE MOST PART, ESPECIALLY MY LAST 20 YEARS HERE, WE'VE LARGELY FOCUSED ON UNDERGROUND. THAT'S NOT TO SAY WE HAVEN'T DONE, WE'VE DONE PIPING REPLACEMENTS IN LIFT STATION 5, WE'VE DONE PIPING REPLACEMENTS IN PUMPHOUSE 4. WE'VE BEEN ADDRESSING THINGS AS THEY COME UP, BUT AS FOR BIG OVERHAULS, WE HAVEN'T REALLY ADDRESSED IT. LIFT STATION 1 IS 55 YEARS OLD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WHEN IT WAS BUILT, YELLOWKNIFE WASN'T CONTEMPLATED TO BE THE CITY IT IS NOW. THERE'S THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE HAVE TO MODERNIZE IN THE ACCOUNT FOR GROWTH 4. PUMPHOUSE 3 IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE, IT'S VERY TIGHT WORKING SPACE FOR STAFF. THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF JAMMED IN THAT BUILDING. IT'S ONE OF OUR MAIN PUMPHOUSES. ONCE WE GET LIFT STATION 1 OFF THE BOOKS, WE'LL BE TAKEN A HARD LOOK AT PUMPHOUSE 3 WHICH IS A COMPLEX PROJECT THAT YOU SEE FOR THIS MESS. [LAUGHTER] PUMPHOUSE 3 HAS A LOT OF MOVING PARTS ON IT. THAT'LL TAKE SOME PLANNING AND SOME STRATEGIC PHASING OF THAT PROJECT, EVEN JUST TO CONSTRUCT AND DESIGN AND SEE IF WE EVEN HAVE ROOM FOR WHAT WE WANT TO DO ON THE CORNER OF FRANKLIN AND RESERVOIR ROAD. WE'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT THE NEXT PROJECT AND NOT UNFORTUNATELY, BUT IT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO GIVEN THE WAY THINGS ARE MOVING. ANOTHER TAKEAWAY IS STANDING FIRM ON DESIGN STANDARDS AND BEST NORTHERN PRACTICES. I GUESS WHAT I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT HERE IS THAT THERE'S SOMETIMES SOUTHERN DEVELOPERS COME UP KNOWING WE USE PLASTIC PIPE EVERYWHERE DOWN SOUTH AND IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE NOT DOWN SOUTH WE HAVE A MUCH FURTHER FROST PENETRATION AND FROST DEPTH, NUMBER OF THINGS. PLASTIC PIPE DOES WORK IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT NOT EVERYWHERE IN YELLOWKNIFE AND WE DO HAVE THAT CIRCULATING SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN. PEOPLE ARE USED TO COMING DOWN FROM DOWN SOUTH AND HAVING CURBS STOPS WHERE THEY CAN JUST TURN THE WATER OFF AT THEIR HOUSE IF THEY HAVE AN ISSUE, WE CAN'T DO THAT. SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO SHUT WHOLE NEIGHBORHOODS DOWN JUST TO DO A REPAIR. THERE'S JUST SOME THINGS THAT DON'T WORK HERE THAT WORK DOWN SOUTH. THAT'S NOT TO SAY A DESIGN STANDARD CANNOT BE REVIEWED. BUT FOR THE MOST PART, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF LONG-TERM STAFF THAT KNOW HOW THINGS WORK AND THEY KNOW WHAT'S TRIED AND TRUE AND TESTED FOR THE TOWN. THE OTHER ONE IS A TAKEAWAY IS LIMITING TRUCK SERVICE DEVELOPMENT AS MUCH AS WE CAN. THAT'S OBVIOUSLY PART OF OUR COMMUNITY PLANNING PRACTICES AND OVERALL JUST BOTH FISCAL AND ENVIRONMENTALLY RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT [00:30:04] FOR THE MOST PART AND MEANT TO TOUCH THIS WORLD A LITTLE BIT HERE BUT, TRUCKS SERVICES ARE VERY COSTLY. >> QUICK QUESTION ON THAT, CHRIS. IF YOU GO BACK TO YOUR FIRST MAP AND WE THINK ABOUT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. I'M ON BOARD WITH EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID. I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID IN TERMS OF NOT PUSHING TOWARDS THAT. WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT, THE CITY IS MOSTLY SURROUNDED BY TRUCK WATER SERVICES. WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT SWEET ALLEY RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE THERE. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE THINKING IN THE FUTURE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THEN. I SUPPOSE IT'S MAYBE NOT A FAIR QUESTION FOR YOU, CHRIS, MAYBE MORE TOWARDS YOU, SHEILA. BUT JUST [NOISE] THINKING THAT THROUGH WHEN WE'RE SURROUNDED BY TRUCK WATER EVERYWHERE ELSE, EITHER WE NEED TO START GETTING THE LINES OUT TO PLACES LIKE ENGLE OR WE NEED TO JUST START GOING ITSELF AND NOTHING GETS APPROVED. I DON'T KNOW DECISIONS, BUT NOTHING GETS APPROVED UNLESS IT'S PIPED. I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S THE ONLY AVENUE THAT IS REALISTIC THERE [OVERLAPPING]. >> DO YOU WANT TO TAKE IT OR DO YOU WANT ME TO TAKE IT? >> I WANT TO START AND THEN CHRIS, YOU'RE OUR EXPERT ON THIS. YOU NAILED IT. THANK YOU, BEN, FOR THAT BECAUSE WE SIT AND WE FRET AND WE HAVE THESE TERRIBLE CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR DIRECTORS AT SENIOR LEADERSHIP TEAM AROUND WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE. THERE HAVE BEEN ONE-OFFS THAT HAPPENED. OH, MY GOD. GRACE LAKE HAPPENS AND THEIR DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS AND IT'S TRUCKED WATER. BUT THE CONCERNS WE HAVE ARE AS CHRIS LAID OUT AND WE CAN LAY UP MUCH MORE DETAIL TRUCKS SERVICES IN LONG RUN TERM COST US MORE. THAT'S NOT IN OUR BEST INTERESTS. BUT TO LOOK RETROACTIVELY AT PUTTING PIPE IN IS SUPER COMPLICATED TO DO. WOULD THERE BE LI CHARGES THAT WE WOULD USE TO PROVE THAT? MY GOD, THE COST OF DOING THAT RETROACTIVELY ON A LOT OF HOMEOWNERS WOULD BE PRETTY STEEP. PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE, WE NEED TO SUPER THINK ABOUT THIS AND HOW WE DO IT. THE OTHER PART IS NOT JUST THE WATER AND SEWER, BUT IT IS ABOUT FIRE PROTECTION AS WELL. WE HAVE AREAS OF TOWN WHERE WE DON'T HAVE PIPED AND WE NEED TO TAKE SERIOUS THOUGHT INTO ENSURING THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT FIRE PROTECTION. WHEN SOMEONE COMES TO US AND SAYS, PLEASE, COULDN'T WE JUST PUT A RESIDENTIAL JUST IN THIS LITTLE CORNER OF ENGLE? IT'S HEAVY INDUSTRIAL. WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO DO FIRE PROTECTION. THERE'S A NUMBER OF ISSUES WITH THAT. WE WOULD LOVE, IF WE COULD START OVER, IT WOULD BE PIPED EVERYWHERE. IF WE CAN'T, WE'VE GOT TO THINK ABOUT THE COST IMPLICATIONS AND THE OPERATIONAL APPLICATIONS. OVER TO CHRIS BECAUSE HE THINKS ABOUT THIS A LOT. >> THIS IS THE TOUGH ONE. I DON'T LIKE CRITICIZING THE PAST BECAUSE IT'S EASY TO SIT AND SAY, WELL, I WOULD HAVE DONE THINGS DIFFERENTLY. THERE'S REASONS WHY DIFFERENT PARTS OF TOWN EXIST IN THE NATURE THAT THEY DO. LARGELY IT'S COST PROHIBITIVE TO GET PIPED OUT THERE. THAT'S WHY IT DOES EXIST AND IT'S ON TRUCK, BUT IT'S THE SCENARIO OF A DEATH BY 1,000 CUTS. SURE IT'S JUST THIS LITTLE ONE. WE'LL DO THAT. THEN IT'S JUST THIS ONE AND WE DO THAT. THEN IT'S JUST GRACE LAKE AND WE DO THAT. MY ESTIMATES IS THAT OUR TRUCK WATER COSTS HAVE GONE UP 207% SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. FROM ABOUT $5.5 MILLION A YEAR TO $1.3 MILLION A YEAR OR SOMETHING BECAUSE WE JUST KEEP EXPANDING. NOW, WHAT REALLY GOING TO BAKE YOUR NOODLE A LITTLE BIT IS THE COST OF THE EXPANDING PIPE. WE'VE DONE AN EXPANSION STUDY AND ON AVERAGE TO GET PIPE OUT TO THE KAM LAKE GRACE LAKE AREA BY ITSELF, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 300 GRAND A LOT. [BACKGROUND] WHAT'S REQUIRED IN THAT, JUST THE KAM LAKE GRACE LAKE AREA WOULD NEED AN EXTRA FIVE LIFT STATIONS I THINK. THAT'S JUST LIFT STATIONS. THAT'S NOT INCLUDING THE PIPE. 300 GRAND A LOT. THEN YOU START TO GET INTO CONVERSATIONS LIKE, WHERE IS THE MANDATORY CONNECT? IF THE CITY UNILATERALLY MAKES THE DECISION TO PUSH PIPE INTO KAM LAKE, ARE WE READY TO FORCE EVERY SINGLE PERSON TO BUY IN? BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T DO A MANDATORY CONNECT, NOT GOING TO WORK. THEN DO YOU MAINTAIN TWO SYSTEMS? IF BEN, YOU DECIDE NOT TO CONNECT A PIPE SERVICE, WE STILL GOT TO MAINTAIN TRUCK TO YOU, BUT STACY, YOU GET PIPED SO NOW WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN TWO LEVELS OF SERVICE. I GUESS I'M DESCRIBING A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FACED WITH. THESE ARE THE THINGS WE BEAT AROUND THE TABLE AT THE SENIOR MANAGEMENT TEAM AND WITH OUR COLLECTIVE WORK GROUPS WHEN WE'RE FACED WITH A NEW DEVELOPMENT OR AN EXPANSION OR EVEN JUST A SMALL PROJECT THAT MAYBE COMING FORWARD ON MONDAY. >> I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU DON'T WANT TO CRITICIZE THE PAST BECAUSE IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. YELLOWKNIFE IS SUCH A SMALL CITY, SO IT MAKES SENSE WHY THINGS HAVE BEEN. I'VE JUST BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS STUFF A LOT LATELY AND IT [00:35:02] IS SO IMPORTANT THAT WE START THINKING NOT IN THE 10 YEAR CHUNKS, BUT WE START THINKING IN THE 50, 100, 150 YEAR CHUNKS BECAUSE YES, YELLOWKNIFE'S A YOUNG CITY, BUT IT'S NOT A CITY GOING ANYWHERE NOW. IT'S NOT LIKE IT WAS WHEN IT WAS FIRST SET UP AND PEOPLE WERE LIKE, WELL, MAYBE WE'LL COME UP HERE AND WIND AND GET THE HECK OUT. PEOPLE, THIS IS HOME. PEOPLE, AS YOU'RE DOING YOUR PLANNING, I'M GLAD THAT I SEE ALL THE HEADS NODDING. I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT 150 YEAR TIMELINE AS MUCH AS THE 10-YEAR TIMELINE. BECAUSE THAT ISN'T SUSTAINABLE FOR 100 PEOPLE 150 YEARS FROM NOW. >> THAT'S WHY COLLECTIVELY WE ALWAYS COME BACK TO EVEN IN THE COMMUNITY PLANNING PROCESS IS INFILL DEVELOPMENT. BUILD-UP [INAUDIBLE]. THAT'S LARGELY UNPOPULAR WITH THE PEOPLE BESIDE THE BUILDUPS [LAUGHTER]. BUT HONESTLY IT'S THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO BUILD AND LIVE. CITIES ACROSS CANADA ARE GOING TO DEAL WITH THIS. IT'S CLOSE TO TRANSIT ROUTES, IT'S CLOSE TO AMENITIES, IT CREATES A MORE WALKABLE CITY. IT ELIMINATES A LOT OF THAT OUTWARD REACH THAT IS SUPER EXPENSIVE. EVEN IF WE WANTED TO PUT PIPE OUT, ASIDE FROM THE CAPITAL COSTS. NOW, THIS IS WHERE I GET DOWN IN THE WEEDS OF IT IS, LET'S SAY COUNCIL GAVE ME THE $197 MILLION THAT I NEED TO DO ALL OF THAT AND WE HAVE THE CAPITAL. OR LET'S SAY THE FEDS GAVE IT TO US. WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF TO MAINTAIN THAT. IF YOU GAVE ME THE STAFF TO MAINTAIN THAT, I DON'T HAVE THE SHOP SPACE TO PUT THE EQUIPMENT IN TO MAINTAIN IT. THEN I NEED A NEW CITY GARAGE. [LAUGHTER] SHEILA ASKS ME ALL THE TIME. SHE'S LIKE, WHAT CAN I DO, CHRIS, TO HELP YOU OUT? DO YOU NEED MORE STAFF AND I'M LIKE, I GOT NOWHERE TO PUT THEM IF YOU GAVE THEM TO ME. THEN IF YOU DO GIVE THEM TO ME, I NEED EQUIPMENT TO PUT THEM IN. THAT INCREASES OUR FLEET, MORE GARAGE SPACE, MORE YARD SPACE, MORE AND MORE. JOYS OF OPERATING IN A WATER AND SEWERS [LAUGHTER]. >> IF I CAN JUST ADD ON. ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WE GOT QUITE EXCITED ABOUT WAS WHEN THE [INAUDIBLE] TALKS ABOUT THE AIRPORT EXPANSION. THIS IS SUPER COOL. WE'D LOVE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN. MAKES SENSE. IT'S A HUB, IT'S AN ECONOMIC ENGINE, A GATEWAY TO THE NORTH HERE IN YELLOWKNIFE. IT'S PART OF OUR ECONOMY. BUT IN DOING SO, IT'S ON TRUCK WATER RIGHT NOW. WE WOULD WANT IT TO BE ON PIPED. AT ONE DISCUSSION WHEN THE [INAUDIBLE] COME TO PRESENT. THEY HAD SAID, SURE, WE GET THIS AND WE UNDERSTAND THIS. WE WOULD LOOK AT WAYS TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT OF PIPED OUT TO THE AIRPORT AT THE TIME THAT THERE IS AN EXPANSION GOING ON. THAT'S REALLY EXCITING. BUT WE OWN MUNICIPAL INFRASTRUCTURE. IF THEY FUNDED IT TERRIFIC, AWESOME, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. BUT IT STILL COMES DOWN TO, WE WOULD BE THE ONES THAT WOULD NEED TO CONSTRUCT. IF THE O&M COSTS NAILED IT, THE ONGOING COSTS OF THESE THINGS, IT'S NOT JUST THE CAPITAL UPFRONT, IT'S THE ONGOING HOW DO WE SUPPORT AND SUSTAIN THAT AS THEIR SYSTEM GETS BROADER AND WIDER AND BIGGER? >> I LOOK AT CRAIG FOR A SECOND, THEY'VE HAD MAJOR INCREASES IN CALL VOLUMES WHICH HAVE NECESSITATED INCREASED STAFF AND NOW THE FIRE HALL IS BUSTING AT THE SEAMS. WE'RE IN THE SAME SPOT AT THE GARAGE. HAPPY TO GIVE ANYONE A TOUR AT ANYTIME YOU'VE SEEN SOME OF IT ON THE COUNCIL ORIENTATION, BUT THERE'S NOT MUCH ROOM LEFT IN THE SHOP. WE'VE TRIED TO BAND-AID A COUPLE. WE'VE GOT A SHOP CALLED THE POINT POINT SHOP, WHICH IS FROM POINT POINT, WHICH WE STORE A FEW PIECES OF EQUIPMENT AND WE BUILT ANOTHER SMALLER PARKING GARAGE. BUT AGAIN, DEATH BY 1,000 CUTS. NOW WE'VE GOT ALL THESE DIFFERENT LITTLE PIECES OF BUILDINGS THAT WE HAVE TO HEAT, WE HAVE TO RUN POWER TO. IT'S WHOLLY BECOMING INEFFICIENT. IT'S NOT ALL DOOM AND GLOOM. WE HAVE A MIGHTY TEAM HERE, WE HAVE LIMITED RESOURCES AND WE GET A LOT OF WORK DONE. BUT I WOULD SAY OVERALL IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS WERE SLOW. I DON'T KNOW IF SLOWLY. [NOISE] I'LL LET STEPHEN GET HIS FEET WET BEFORE I THROW HIM UNDER THE BUS. BUT WE'RE FALLING BEHIND. I CAN'T REALLY TELL RIGHT NOW IF IT'S SLOWLY OR ABRUPTLY OR I THINK WE'RE DOING GOOD. I THINK I HAVE ONE MORE POINT BEFORE WE RUN OUT OF TIME. OH, JEEZ. NOW WHAT? [LAUGHTER]. WENT TOO FAR AND THEN BUSTED OUT OF THE PRESENTATION. I GUESS IT WAS JUST ANOTHER POINT ON LEGACY INFRASTRUCTURE WHICH WE DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO, BUT THAT'S AGAIN REFERRING TO SURFACE WATER LINES. IF THERE'S ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON SERVICE WATER LINES, BUT I GUESS THE BIGGER HEADS-UP ON THAT IS WE ARE GOING TO BE MOVING AWAY FROM SERVICING THAT AND WE WILL DO PUBLIC OUTREACH ON THAT, BUT WE'LL MAINTAIN IT THIS YEAR FOR SURE AND THEN PROBABLY LOOK AT MOVING AWAY FROM IT NEXT SUMMER. [00:40:04] >> CHRIS, COULD YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT TO THE SCHAFER AND THE INSURANCE BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A GREAT THING THAT WE'RE VERY UNIQUE AND YELLOWKNIFE TO HAVE. THAT'S A VERY BIG POSITIVE. >> I'VE COMPLETELY BLOWN OVER THAT WHEN I CREATED THIS PRESENTATION ODDLY ENOUGH. BUT YEAH, I MEAN, IT IS UNIQUE. IT'S VERY YELLOWKNIFE BAY SOLUTION AND WE'RE PROUD OF IT. IS EVERYBODY FAMILIAR WITH IT? BUT I'LL EXPLAIN IT ANYWAY. BASICALLY, ON EVERY UTILITY BILL, IT USED TO BE CALLED A DEDUCTIBLE, AND WE'VE GONE AWAY FROM THAT LANGUAGE BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY INSURANCE, BUT WE CALL IT A MONTHLY FEE THAT CONTRIBUTES TO SCHAFER. IT ENDS UP GIVING US AROUND $1.2 MILLION A YEAR THAT WE PUT INTO SERVICE CONNECTION FAILURE ASSISTANCE FUND. WHAT THAT DOES IS IT HELPS RESIDENTS BY PAYING A DEPOSIT. THEY PAY $1,000. IF IT ENDS UP BEING BETWEEN THEIR BUILDING FOOTPRINT AND OUR MAIN, WE TAKE CARE OF THOSE REPAIR COSTS FOR THEM. IF YOU LIVED IN ANYWHERE ELSE IN CANADA, YOU'RE FULLY RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING ON YOUR PROPERTY. BUT THOSE ARE HEAVY BURDENS TO PUT ON RESIDENTS HERE GIVEN THE HOW COLD IT IS, THE FROST DEPTH, HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO DIG. JUST THE COMPLEXITIES WITH OUR WATER AND RESERVE SYSTEMS ALONE, SO IT'S A VERY GOOD PROGRAM THAT WE'RE PROUD OF AND IT'S A BENEFIT TO RESIDENTS THAT A LOT OF PLACES DON'T GET. >> I CAN ATTEST TO THAT PROGRAM. [LAUGHTER] IT'S AMAZING. I HAVE A QUESTION IN REGARDS TO GOING BACK TO LIMITING TRUCK SERVICE DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE I'VE LIVED OUT IN CONSTANCE 86 SO I KNOW CON HAD ITS OWN INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEN WHEN THEY DID REMEDIATION, THEY MOVED EVERYBODY OVER TO TRUCKED WATER, AND AT THE TIME BECAUSE I WAS 19, DIDN'T PAY ATTENTION TO ANY OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE STUFF. WANTING TO KNOW, WAS THERE AN OPTION TO TAKE OVER THE INFRASTRUCTURE OR WAS IT BECAUSE THERE WAS TOO MANY POLLUTANTS WITH HAVING TO REMEDIATE THAT IT WASN'T USABLE? >> I WAS JUST YOUNG BACK THEN, I WASN'T INVOLVED IN THOSE HIGHER LEVEL CONVERSATIONS, BUT MY RECOLLECTION OF THAT WAS THAT IT WASN'T ABLE TO BE SERVICED. CON HAD ITS OWN DRAW, I BELIEVE, FROM THE BAY AND IT'S OWN STAND ALONE SYSTEM. DO YOU GUYS KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? [BACKGROUND] IT WASN'T CONNECTED TO OUR SYSTEM PROPER. YOU LOOK HERE, IT WAS ISOLATED AND DREW THIS WAY. IF WE WERE TO SAVE THAT OR SALVAGE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, WE WOULD HAVE STILL HAD TO MAKE THE CONNECTION FROM OUR MAIN SYSTEM HERE ALL THE WAY DOWN. YOU'RE ALSO NOT ALLOWED TO DIG IN THE GROUND THERE. I THINK BETWEEN SUBSURFACE CONTAMINATION AND OVERALL COMPLICATION OF TRYING TO CONNECT THAT TO THE CITY'S SYSTEM PROPER IS PROBABLY RIDICULOUSLY COST-PROHIBITIVE AND AS I SAID EARLIER, TRUCK DOES SOMETIMES THE EASY WAY TO GO. >> GOT YOU. JUST WAS WONDERING BECAUSE I'M LIKE, IF WE'RE TRYING TO LIMIT THE TRUCKED IN BECAUSE NOW IT'S GETTING MORE COSTLY, WERE THERE POSSIBLE REASONING GRANTED AGAIN, IT WAS FOREVER AND A DAY AGO, SO TRY AND RECALL, THOSE IS. >> EVEN IF WE WANTED TO PUT PIPE DOWN THERE AND HAD THE MONEY, I DON'T THINK WE'RE ALLOWED. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE ALLOWED TO EVEN DIG. I THINK IT'S A FOOT. THERE'S A METER COVER THERE OR SOMETHING. I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND REVIEW THE HEALTH HAZARD ASSESSMENT AND THE REQUIREMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT. BUT THERE WAS A LEVEL OF FIELD PLACE THERE TO MAKE IT RESIDENTIAL STANDARDS AND YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DIG INTO THAT SO I DON'T EVEN THINK YOU COULD PLANT A TREE DOWN THERE IF YOU WANTED TO IF IT WAS TOO DEEP. >> WELL, I'LL LET THE GARDENERS OUT THERE KNOW THAT. [LAUGHTER] >> SURFACE PLANTERS. >> WITH THE SURFACE WATER LINES AFTER WE'RE GOING TO BASICALLY GO INTO TRUCKED DOWN THERE, ARE WE PLANNING TO JUST BASICALLY HAVING YOU GUYS GO DOWN AND TAKE THE HOUSE OUT OR LEAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THERE? >> WE WILL PROBABLY ABANDON IT IN PLACE WHERE IT'S NON-INVASIVE OR AN EYESORE. SO IF IT'S VISIBLE AND IT'S OUT IN THE OPEN, WE'LL PROBABLY DO OUR BEST TO REMOVE IT. BUT IF IT'S OUT OF SIGHT, OUT OF MIND, WE'LL PROBABLY LEAVE IT THERE. THEN IF WE'VE GOT SOME RANDOM COMPLAINT ABOUT, I WENT THROUGH A GUY'S GARDEN THE OTHER YEAR, SO IF JOE BLOW CALLS AND SAID, HEY, YOUR OLD, ABANDONED SURFACE WATER LINES ARE IN MY YARD, WE'LL PROBABLY DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO HELP THAT PERSON. [00:45:03] >> THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? >> WE WOULD PROPOSE THIS DIRECTION TO COUNCIL AND WE WOULD PROPOSE THAT I'LL GO FORWARD PLAN AROUND THIS. >> YEAH. COOL. WITH THAT GIANT POSSIBLE PROJECTS, AURORA COLLEGE NEW CAMPUS HAS THE GNWT HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH US ABOUT REPLACING THE AGING INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND SCHOOL DRAW TO CONNECT THAT FACILITY, OR ARE THEY THINKING ABOUT TRUCK WATER? >> I'LL JUST TAKE IT. WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SERVICE THAT EITHER FROM STRAIGHT FROM THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT OR UP FROM SCHOOL, DROPPED FROM THE TIN CAN HILL ENTRANCE. WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME ALL THE WAY UP SCHOOL LIKE THE FULL SCHOOL DRY. THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT IN AURORA RIGHT THERE, SO IT'D BE ROUGHLY AROUND THAT RED LINE IN FRONT OF THE CAMPUS. THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE SOME CAPITAL INVESTMENT THERE TO PROPERLY SERVICE THAT. THE SEWER THERE WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED. YOU GUYS HAVE ANYTHING YET? >> DO YOU WANT TO EXPAND UPON A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED? >> WELL, THERE IS WATER INFRASTRUCTURE THERE THAT WE CAN GET TO RELATIVELY CLOSELY. THE SEWER IS NOT AS CLOSE, SO IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A LONGER PIPE RUN FOR SEWAGE. THAT'S ALL I CAUGHT IN THERE. WE WOULD PROBABLY RUN IT ALL THE WAY DOWN. NOW I'M DESIGNING ON THE FLY SO DON'T HOLD ME TO IT, BUT WE'D PROBABLY RUN IT ALL THE WAY DOWN THE ACTUAL ACCESS ROAD TO TIN CAN HILL AND THEN SCHOOL DRAW THAT WAY AND MAKES ITS WAY DOWN AND LIFTS STATION ONE, WHICH WE NEED RIGHT ON. >> BINGO. [LAUGHTER] >> I GUESS, GIVEN THAT SERVICE LINES ARE HARD TO MAINTAIN AND TRUCKING IS EXPENSIVE, I FEEL LIKE I'VE PROBABLY KNOW SOME OF THE ANSWERS TO THIS, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT THE FEELINGS ARE ON UTILITY DOORS AND WHAT WE'VE DONE TO LOOK AT IT. IF WE'VE LOOKED AT IT. I UNDERSTAND, I THINK IT'S A BIG ISSUE, OBVIOUSLY IT'S RETROACTIVELY DOING UTILITY DOORS. YOU CAN'T PLAN AROUND LIKE FULL-SERVICE UTILITIES, BUT IT'S HARD TO INTEGRATE THEM. BECAUSE I THINK THAT MAYBE A SECOND QUESTION IS, I'D RATHER SAVE IT, BUT IT'S RELATED. [LAUGHTER] >> YEAH, I MEAN, UTILITY DOORS DEFINITELY WORK IN COMMUNITIES LIKE A NEW VIC THAT HAVE PLANNED FOR THEM, FOR US TO DO THEM RETROACTIVELY WOULD BE PRETTY COMPLICATED FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. ONE, LAND AVAILABILITY, NEVER BE ABLE TO GET A UTILITY DOOR IN AN OLD TOWN EVER. WE MERELY GET ROADS IN AN OLD TOWN. CAM LAKE FOR EXAMPLE IS ALSO VERY, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENTIAL SETTLEMENT THERE SO WHILE PUTTING STUFF IN THE GROUND, AT LEAST THAT YOU CAN CONTAIN IT AND TRY TO LIMIT ITS MOVEMENT WITH EARTHWORKS, PUTTING IT ON THE SURFACES. I MEAN, YOU COULD PROBABLY PUT EXPANSION JOINTS AND THINGS AND I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT A UTILITY DOOR EXPERT BY ANY STRETCH, BUT WHILE NOT IMPOSSIBLE, WE WOULD PROBABLY HIGHLY RECOMMEND STAYING AWAY FROM THAT TYPE OF DESIGN. >> IT WOULD HAVE TO GO ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. AND YOU'RE GOING TO PUT DRIVEWAYS WITH UTILITY DOOR HOME [LAUGHTER]. >> GRACE, LIKE IT'S STILL RIGHT UNDER THERE LITTLE TO MAKE A SECOND CULVERT FOR THEM, DOES THAT. [LAUGHTER] I FIGURED THAT IT IS JUST NOT ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU CAN RETROACTIVELY THROW IN. BUT IT'S JUST INTERESTING BECAUSE IT IS EFFECTIVE AND I ASSUME CHEAPER THAN BOTH MAINTAIN SERVICE LINES THAN HAVING SOMEONE DRIVE AROUND THE WATER. BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT'S THE ASSUMPTION, DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS I'LL SAY. THIS IS A VERY, VERY FUTURE PLANNING, BUT I'M CURIOUS IF WE FELT THAT THERE WAS A NEED TO EXPAND OUTSIDE OF THE CURRENT PERIMETER BECAUSE WE HAD DONE EVERYTHING THAT WE COULD TO DENSIFY WHAT IS EXISTING. DOES YOUR DEPARTMENT HAVE FEELINGS AND THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT THE BEST DIRECTION WOULD BE TO GO? IN TERMS OF EXISTING [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER] >> MAYBE I'LL JUMP IN FIRST [OVERLAPPING] THE COMMUNITY PLAN RIGHT NOW, THE ENVISION, WITHIN OUR CURRENT MUNICIPAL BOUNDARY, NORTH GIANT, WE'RE NOT GOING THERE FOR, BUT IF 50 YEARS FROM NOW WE'RE AT POPULATION 75 OR 100,000 PEOPLE, WHERE ARE WE GOING TO BE? [00:50:02] THE THOUGHT IS ALWAYS BEEN TO MOVE IN THIS CHEM-LIKE SOUTH DOWN TOWARDS THE BOTTOM AND PERIPHERY OF OUR CURRENT BOUNDARY AND EVEN OUR PROPOSED BOUNDARY THAT WE'RE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH YKDFN TAKES THAT INTO ACCOUNT AS WELL AND GOES FURTHER IN THAT DIRECTION. SCOPING THAT WAY BUT AS CHRIS HAS POINTED OUT, AS CRAIG THINKS A LOT ABOUT PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT. THE WHOLE TEAM THINKS ABOUT IF WE'RE GOING IN THAT DIRECTION, IT'S GOING BEYOND GRACE LAKE AND GRACE LAKE SOUTH SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO AROUND THE PIPE, LIKE HOW WILL THE WATER BE AND I'LL TURN IT TO CHRIS NOW BECAUSE THAT'S A HARD QUESTION. >> WELL, THAT'S THE QUESTION. IS THERE SOMETHING IN TERMS OF EXISTING UTILITIES AND IT'S MORE OF AN INKLING THAN A OBVIOUSLY THAT I'M LOOKING FOR HERE. >> I THINK IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE NATURE IN WHICH IT HAPPENED. WE'VE PUT PEOPLE ON THE MOON, SO NOTHING'S IMPOSSIBLE. IF IT HAPPENED FAST, MAYBE WE PIPE RIGHT FROM THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT RIGHT TO THE NEW NEIGHBORHOOD, WHEREVER IT IS DOWN HERE. THEN WE CREATE A FORCE MINE UP TO THE LAGOON FOR SEWAGE AND ADDRESS IT THAT WAY I'M NOT SURE. SLOWLY REACHING IN THROUGH A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, SLOWLY EXPANDING PIPE THIS WAY IS GOING TO BE FACED WITH ALL THE CHALLENGES THAT I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE FOREST MANDATORY CONNECT, ALL THAT STUFF. WHERE DO YOU GO FIRST? I DON'T KNOW. THE UNFORTUNATE PART IS THAT WE ARE BOXED IN BY A MINE SITE HERE AND A MINE SITE RIGHT HERE, SO WE CAN EVEN GO IN THIS DIRECTION. UNLESS SOMETHING MIRACULOUS HAPPENED IN KHAN WAS REMEDIATED TO THE BEST-CASE SCENARIO, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S HAPPENING OVERALL. IF WE WERE LOOKING AT PLANNING SCENARIOS, WE WILL PROBABLY DO A COUPLE. WE WOULD PROBABLY DO A SLOW BUILD-OUT SCENARIO WHICH ALREADY HAVE DONE AND I HAVE SOME NUMBERS ON IT AND THEN PROBABLY WE COULD DO A QUICK BUILD SCENARIO DESCRIBING WHAT I DID AND THEN COMPARE THAT WITH TRUCKED OBVIOUSLY. WE WOULD ALWAYS DO THAT SCENARIO JUST TO SEE. BUT IN SAYING THAT, TACH YOU CAN JUMP IN HERE ANYTIME. OUR GROWTH PROJECTION SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE HANDLED BY INTERNAL BOUNDARY OR INTERNAL END IF WE DEVELOP PROPERLY. NOW THAT MAY NOT BE FOR 100 YEARS FROM NOW BUT I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITY HERE FOR THAT, THERE'S A SECTION OF AREA OF YELLOWKNIFE THAT WE HAVEN'T TOUCHED YET. THIS FALLS WITHIN THE CAPITAL BOUNDARY AND THOSE ARE COMPLICATED DISCUSSIONS, AND FAIR ENOUGH I'M NOT MAKING LIGHT OF THAT, BUT THERE IS POTENTIAL FOR LOTS OF OTHER SPOTS IN TOWN THAT ARE ADJACENT TO TRUCK OR A PIPED INFRASTRUCTURE. >> RANGE LIKE STUFF? >> I'M JUST CURIOUS WITH THE VENTRAL RENOVATIONS TO LIFT HOUSE 1, AND ALSO THE FACT THAT IT'S SO INTERCONNECTED OR SO CLOSE TO THE WATER STATION. ARE WE GOING TO EVENTUALLY GET 47A? I THINK IT'S 48A THE BEN'S NEIGHBORHOODS ONTO OUR PAYMENT. YOU'RE ON PIPE? >> [INAUDIBLE] GIVE IT AWAY [LAUGHTER] TO LOSE SPOTS DOWN THERE, I WILL TELL YOU [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER] >> ON THE LAKE SIDE OF SCHOOL DRAW? >> YEAH. >> NO [LAUGHTER] NOT UNLESS BEN WANTS TO PAY FOR IT. >> [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER]. >> IT'S THE SAME SCENARIO. THEY NEED TO LIFT STATION BECAUSE THEY'RE SO FAR DOWN BY THE LAKE THAT YOU'D HAVE TO LIFT ALL THAT SEWAGE UP TO SCHOOL DRAW? >> BUT WITH RENOVATIONS TO THIS STATION 1, ISN'T IT POSSIBLE TO INTERCONNECT THEN TO THAT ONE. >> YEAH, COMPLETELY. IT'S WAY DOWN HERE ON THE CORNER. >> IS IT JUST SEWAGE THAT THEY GET PUMPED OUT OR IS IT SEWAGE GENERAL THOUGH? CAN WE EVER LOOK AT DOING JUST WATER AND KEEPING SEWAGE TRUCK? IS THAT CRAZY IDEA? >> THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THOSE SCENARIOS IN TOWN. IT'S VERY PROBLEMATIC TO HAVE UNLIMITED WATER ON A VERY FINITE SEWAGE TANK. >> I SEE IT'S LIKE AN ECOSYSTEM [LAUGHTER] >> NOT TO SAY IT CAN'T BE DONE, BUT IT CAUSES PROBLEMS FROM TIME TO TIME, ESPECIALLY RIGHT NEXT TO A LAKE. >> THAT TRUCKS [LAUGHTER] >> SHEILA MENTIONED LOCAL IMPROVEMENT EARLIER, IF THAT NEIGHBORHOODS SO CHOSE THAT THEY WANTED TO BE OFF [00:55:03] TRUCKED AND WANTED TO BE ON PIPED AND WERE WILLING TO PAY FOR THAT, WE WOULD PROBABLY CONSIDER SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> WHAT IF WE SET UP A METER THAT'S CONNECTED TO THE SEWAGE TANK LEVEL [LAUGHTER] >> WELL [LAUGHTER] YEAH, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THOSE LITTLE POCKETS EVERYWHERE BECAUSE THAT'S WHY THEY EXIST IS BECAUSE THEY'RE RIDICULOUSLY HARD AND EXPENSIVE TO SERVE US. I DON'T EVEN KNOW FOR CERTAIN PUMP WOULD HAVE TO BE BIG TO GET IT UP TO FIGHT THAT ELEVATION? >> YEAH. I DON'T WHICH ONE IT IS [INAUDIBLE] BUT WILL HAVE TO COME RIGHT OFF THAT. OR IF IT'S 44TH AND 45TH, ALL THE WAY UP TO THE COURTS. OR YOU BRING A MAIN UP TO THE COURT? >> YES [OVERLAPPING] >> LOTS OF WORK COMING TO YOU ON THE REGULATORY SIDE OF THINGS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR TIME, BUT LOTS OF LAGOON WORK YOU WON'T BE SEEING ANYTHING. MAYBE I SHOULDN'T TIP MY HAND, BUT YOU WON'T BE SEEING ANYTHING NEW THAT WE HAVE PLANNED IN BUDGET 2024 IT'LL BE THE CONTINUATION OF MULTIYEAR HEAVY CAPITAL PROJECTS. >> WITH FULL PROPS TO YOU GUYS AROUND ALL THE WORK GROUNDWATER LICENSE AND MEETING OUR REQUIREMENTS IN THE WATER LICENSE BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME PARTS OF THAT THAT WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT EVEN WHAT THE ANSWER IS TO BE ABLE TO REACH AND MITIGATE AND HONOR WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE THERE LAID OUT IN THE WATER LICENSED. THE SEWAGE LAGOON, THE [INAUDIBLE] I LOVE THAT SIGN SO MUCH THAT WORD IS JUST SO FUN TO SAY. LOVE SEEING THAT SIGN OUT BY OUR SEWAGE LAGOON ROAD. THESE ARE MASSIVE PROJECTS AND THOSE ARE RELATIVELY STRAIGHTFORWARD ONES. EVEN THOUGH THEY REQUIRE BUILDING OF THAT PUT DOWN AREA, THE ROAD ON THE WAY IN, OR THERE'S ALL PROJECTS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN TO ENABLE THE DISLODGING TO HAPPEN. NOTHING IS EVER SIMPLE, AND DISCREET, AND EASY. >> ANYTHING YOU'RE SITTING AT HOME TONIGHT READING YOUR RG COMIC OR SOMETHING AND YOU THINK OF ANY QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO SHOOT THEM ALONG. WE'RE HAPPY [LAUGHTER] >> ONE LAST ONE, I WANT TO FLY BECAUSE I KNOW IT WAS A COMMENT THAT GOT RAISED AND I THINK IT REALLY PROVOCATIVE, INTERESTING COMMENT THAT WITH THE MINE SUN SETTING, A NUMBER OF THEM HAVE A LOT OF EQUIPMENT ONSITE, A LOT OF STUFF THAT THEY'VE BOUGHT THAT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO USE A PIPE FOR EXAMPLE WAS USED HAKA THE CITY ACCESS ANY OF THAT PIPE. IT WAS A REALLY LEGIT QUESTION AND I KNOW WHEN I ASKED CHRIS THE QUESTION, HE SENT ME STRAIGHT ON THAT WITH ISSUES AROUND WARRANTY AND SOME OTHER THINGS. MAYBE CHRIS, I'LL ASK YOU JUST TO SPEAK TO THAT AROUND THE ABILITY FOR US TO SEEK OUT A DEAL IS SOMETIMES NOT A DEAL AT ALL. >> EVEN PRE SOURCING MATERIALS, WE CALL THEM OWNER SUPPLIED MATERIALS AND CONTRACT TERMS AS IT CAN BE PROBLEMATIC FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS IF YOU BUY A PIPE, YOU HAVE TO FIND A COUPLER TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH IT. SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T FIND THOSE THINGS. IT REALLY DEPENDS WHAT IT IS. BUT JUST GOING OUT AND BUYING EXCESS PIPE OR SOMETHING OFF SOMEONE DOESN'T ALWAYS MEET OUR NEEDS AND WHILE WE COULD BANDAGE ANYTHING TOGETHER WITH OUR CREW IS AMAZING THAT STUFF IT'S JUST NOT A GREAT WAY TO PLAN. THERE'S MULTIPLE COMPLICATIONS WITH THAT. IF IT'S SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS A, I DON'T EVEN KNOW. WE DO OUR BEST TO PLAN ACCORDINGLY AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR KNOWLEDGE BASE AND THINGS AT OUR DISPOSAL, BUT NOT ALL THINGS MAKE SENSE TO US. IT'S SIMILAR TO THE COMMENT OF WHAT FITS IN THE SOUTH DOESN'T FIT IN THE NORTH AND WHAT MIGHT FIT IT IN, IN A MINE SITE IS NOT SUITABLE FOR A MUNICIPALITY, SO DEFINITELY WORTH ASKING A QUESTION AND THE OVERTURNING THOSE ROCKS, SO TO SPEAK, BUT YEAH. >> PERFECT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS NOTING WE'RE AT ONE O'CLOCK AND I'M SURE DIRECTORS AND STAFF HAVE PLACES TO BE. I'M SURE CHRIS, YOU'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS BY EMAIL FROM ANY OF US? >> ABSOLUTELY. >> AWESOME. WITH THAT, DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION? NO. EVERYBODY, HAVE YOURSELF A GREAT DAY. THANKS SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION. >> THANK YOU. >>THANK YOU. >> THANKS SO MUCH GUYS. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.