Dec 06, 2022 Special Governance & Priorities Committee

[1. Opening Statement]

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AND WE WILL RESUME OUR SPECIAL GOVERNANCE AND PRIORITIES COMMITTEE MEETING.

TODAY IS TUESDAY, DECEMBER 6TH, 2022.

AND WE WERE JUST AT PAGE YES, PAGE 50,

[4. 2023 Budget Deliberations.]

IT'S A ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE PART MOTION.

SO THE MOTION IS ONE.

COUNCIL DIRECTS THAT THE ARTS AND CULTURE COORDINATOR POSITION BE CUT FROM BUDGET 2023 AND DIRECTS ADMINISTRATION TO PROVIDE SUPPORT FOR ARTS AND CULTURE FROM WITHIN EXISTING RESOURCES UNTIL THE ARTS AND CULTURE MASTER PLAN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN COMES TO COUNCIL FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL IN 2023 TO COUNCIL DIRECTS ADMINISTRATION TO INCLUDE WITHIN THE ARTS AND CULTURE MASTER PLAN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN ACTIONS FOR IMPLEMENTING ARTS AND CULTURE COORDINATOR FUNCTIONS.

THREE COUNCIL INCLUDES 20,000 IN 2023 FOR ARTS PROGRAMING IN THE VISITOR CENTER AND DIRECTS ADMINISTRATION TO INCLUDE PROGRAMING, COSTS AND ALLOCATIONS FOR FUTURE YEARS IN THE ARTS AND CULTURE.

MASTER PLAN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

AND THIS FUNDING IS TO BE CLEARLY INDICATED WITH THE NOTE.

NUMBER FOUR IS COUNCIL DIRECTS ADMINISTRATION TO OFFICIALLY NAME THE VISITOR CENTER ARTS SPACE.

FIVE IS COUNCIL DIRECTS ADMINISTRATION TO ADD FINALIZING THE ARTS SPACE GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE TO THE 2023 WORK PLAN TO BE TO BE DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE VISITOR CENTER GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE.

SO IF IT'S THE WILL OF COUNCIL WE CAN DEAL WITH SORRY.

AND THIS IS SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR COCHRANE, WE CAN DO THIS MOTION AS ONE.

IT'S A FIVE PART MOTION.

HOWEVER, IF THERE'S A PARTICULAR BULLET THAT YOU'RE NOT IN SUPPORT OF, BUT YOU'RE IN SUPPORT OF EVERYTHING ELSE, WE COULD REMOVE THAT AND DISCUSS ONE, TWO AND THREE TOGETHER, DISCUSS FOUR AND FIVE SEPARATELY.

IS THERE GENERAL SUPPORT FOR DOING IT AS A BLOCK? SEEING NODDING HEADS, FOLKS WHO OKAY WITH THAT? COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO YOUR MOTION.

YEAH. THANK YOU.

IF IT'S OKAY. I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR ADMIN BEFORE I SPEAK TO THE MOTION DIRECTLY.

SO MY QUESTION IS.

SO IF WE CUT THE ARTS COORDINATOR POSITION, WOULD THESE RESPONSIBILITIES BE UNFULFILLED UNTIL 2024 AT THE EARLIEST, WHILE WE WAIT FOR THE ARTS AND CULTURE MASTER PLAN? OR IS THERE A WAY TO GET SOME OF THESE DUTIES FILLED IMMEDIATELY? MS. BASSI-KELLETT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION, AND I THINK COUNCIL IS PROBABLY QUITE AWARE BECAUSE THE ARTS AND CULTURE MASTER PLAN CAME IN IN THE THIRD QUARTER OF 2022, SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON.

IT WAS CLEARLY A DIRECTION OF THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL TO COMPLETE.

SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE DO WITHIN THE ARTS AND THAT THEY CERTAINLY ARE VERY APPARENT WITHIN TWO DEPARTMENTS OF THE CITY.

WE ARE HAVING WORK UNDERWAY IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND STRATEGY, BUT ALSO WITHIN COMMUNITY SERVICES.

AND SO RECOGNIZING THAT THE ARTS AND CULTURE MASTER PLAN, THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN IS BEING LED BY COMMUNITY SERVICES, OBVIOUSLY WITH INVOLVEMENT FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS. THE SPECIAL EVENTS COORDINATOR HAS SOME.

ABILITY WITH OUR NEW INCUMBENT WHO'S COME ON WITH THE JOB DESCRIPTION, INCLUDING SOME ARTS FOCUS.

THERE IS THAT CAPACITY TO A DEGREE RIGHT NOW WITHIN THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT.

I WILL ASK MR. WHITE IF HE'D LIKE TO ELABORATE ON THAT.

THANKS, MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

A FEW OF THE DETAILS THAT WE CAN WORK ON.

I THINK IT'S BEEN ALLUDED TO IN SOME OF THE QUESTIONS GATHERING THE RESOURCES AND HAVING AN ONLINE RESOURCE PUT TOGETHER.

WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.

SOME OF THE ART AND THE PARK KIND OF ACTIVITIES THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, WE CAN CONTINUE AND THEN BRANCH OUT FROM THERE IN IN A SMALL WAY TO NOT DETRACT TOO MUCH FROM.

FROM THE ONGOING SPECIAL EVENTS THAT OUR COMMUNITY HAS COME TO LOVE AND AND APPRECIATE.

BUT FOR SURE, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME CAPACITY AND SOME ABILITY TO TO TAKE ON SOME OF THE ROLE.

JUST WHILE I HAVE THE FLOOR I GUESS I'LL MENTION THAT I GUESS REITERATE THAT WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD A ARTS AND CULTURE MASTER PLAN IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGY SOMETIME IN THE SECOND QUARTER OF 2023, AND THAT WILL REALLY HELP GUIDE AND LEAD US TO MAYBE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS THIS TIME NEXT YEAR.

THANK YOU. AWESOME.

THAT'S GREAT TO HEAR THAT SOME OF THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES ARE ALREADY BEING TAKEN ON AND SOME WILL BE TAKEN ON AS WE WAIT FOR THAT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

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SO REMOVING THIS POSITION OR PROPOSING TO REMOVE THIS POSITION IS A MEASURE TO SAVE MONEY.

I THINK WHILE WE WAIT FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AND WHILE WE HAVE EXISTING RESOURCES THAT WE CAN DEDICATE TO FORWARDING THE MASTER PLAN, I THINK IT'S WISE TO DO SO.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER NEW STAFF POSITIONS VERY CAREFULLY.

THIS ONE WOULD BE $109,000 THIS YEAR, $118,000 NEXT YEAR, AND 123,020 25 AND SO ON.

SO GIVEN THE VARIETY OF CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ARE ESSENTIAL TO DELIVERING CORE SERVICE TO THE CITY, I DON'T BELIEVE WE SHOULD INCLUDE THIS POSITION RIGHT NOW.

THAT BEING SAID, I BELIEVE THE ARTS IS ESSENTIAL TO A COMPLETE CITY AND IT PROVIDES COUNTLESS BENEFITS TO RESIDENTS, BOTH TANGIBLE AND NOT ART.

ARTS AND CULTURE CAN CAUSE US TO REFLECT ON WHO WE ARE AS PEOPLE, AS A COMMUNITY.

IT CAN BRING US JOY AND OCCASIONS TO COME TOGETHER, AND IT CAN REVITALIZE OUR DOWNTOWN FOR BOTH RESIDENTS AND TOURISTS.

THE ACTION AND ACTIONS IN THIS MOTION, I BELIEVE, SEND A STRONG SIGNAL TO THE COMMUNITY THAT THE CITY VALUES THEM AND IS A PARTNER.

ADDRESSING THE DUTIES OF THIS REMOVED POSITION TO AN EXISTING POSITION IS MORE EFFICIENT, WHILE STILL ASSIGNING A DEDICATED PERSON TO BEGIN IMPLEMENTATION OF THE ARTS AND CULTURE MASTERPLAN.

I KNOW THIS POSITION CANNOT DO EVERYTHING OF BOTH POSITIONS, BUT I KNOW ADMINISTRATION CAN FIND A GOOD BALANCE IN REASSIGNING THESE ROLES.

NAMES SPECIFICALLY FOR THE ART CENTER AND THE VISITOR CENTER AND THE PROPOSED POSITION, I BELIEVE, ARE VERY IMPORTANT.

A NAMED SPACE IS PURPOSEFUL AND TANGIBLE.

IT CAN GO ON RESUMES AND BE KNOWN FOR ITS PURPOSE, NOT AS AN ADD ON.

MONEY IS ALSO IMPORTANT.

THERE'S MOMENTUM BEHIND THE ARTS SCENE IN YELLOWKNIFE AND WE NEED TO HELP BUILD THIS MOMENTUM.

HAVING DEDICATED FUNDING FOR ART SHOWS DEMONSTRATES WE ARE SERIOUS ABOUT SUPPORTING THIS COMMUNITY AND GIVING OUR RESIDENTS A PLACE TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES.

FINALLY, NO INSTITUTION CAN OPERATE EFFECTIVELY WITHOUT A GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE, SO LEAVING THE WORK OF FINALIZING THE STRUCTURE OF THE ARTS SPACE TO A LATER UNDEFINED DATE, I BELIEVE, SHOWS WE DON'T THINK OF THE SPACE AS AS IMPORTANT.

AND I BELIEVE INCLUDING THIS WITH THE VISITOR CENTER.

GOVERNMENT GOVERNANCE IS VERY IMPORTANT.

I BELIEVE THIS PROPOSAL IS COST EFFECTIVE AND PROVIDES CONCRETE PROGRESS FOR THE ARTS AND CULTURE COMMUNITY.

IT HELPS TO REVITALIZE OUR DOWNTOWN, CREATES AVENUES TO EXAMINE AND FEEL PRIDE IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME SAVING THE CITY AND TAXPAYERS MONEY.

I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING THE THOUGHTS OF MY COLLEAGUES AND OF ADMINISTRATION.

THANK. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE MOTION AS PRESENTED? COUNCILLOR MCGURK? I SO GENERALLY SUPPORT THIS MOTION, BUT THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I KIND OF WANTED TO NOTE.

JUST THAT.

OFTENTIMES WHEN WE TRY TO HAVE PEOPLE WORK OFF THE SIDE OF THEIR DESK ON SPECIFIC TASKS IN ANY INDUSTRY IN MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT, AND THERE'S BEEN EXEMPLIFIED BY THE HERITAGE COMMITTEE, BY THIS, BY THE CITY, SOMETIMES THINGS DON'T WORK VERY COHESIVELY OR LIKE PAN OUT VERY EFFECTIVELY.

SO I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT TO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT HAVING PEOPLE, WE'RE LOOKING AT ELIMINATING A POSITION THAT'S DEDICATED TO ARTS, HAVING VERY CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS AND CLEAR TIME SET ASIDE, I GUESS, FOR SOMEONE TO BE ABLE TO CARRY OUT THE.

THE DUTIES THAT NEED TO BE CARRIED OUT IN ORDER TO EXECUTE THIS MOTION EFFECTIVELY ARE THE SORT OF INTENT OF THIS MOTION EFFECTIVELY.

I ALSO WANTED TO SORT OF SUGGEST AN AMENDMENT THAT WE DIRECTED ADMINISTRATION TO CONSULT IN, MEANINGFULLY ENGAGE WITH AND CONSULT WITH YKDFN IN SELECTING A NAME FOR THE SPACE.

AND I THINK THERE'S ONE MORE THING.

OH, YES. IN FINALIZING OUR SPACE GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE IN THE 2023 WORK PLAN.

JUST WANTED TO KIND OF MAKE A CLEAR NOTE THAT WE SHOULD BE ASSURED THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING CARFAX STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES SO THAT PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY ARTISTS IN TOWN CAN ACTUALLY BENEFIT FROM USING THE SPACE.

IT'S REALLY FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW GRANT, A LOT OF GRANT FUNDING IS CONTINGENT, OR SPECIFICALLY CANADA COUNCIL FUNDING FOR THE ARTS. IT'S CONTINGENT ON YOUR ABILITY TO OR YOU'RE HAVING SHOWN IN A GALLERY, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO IF WE ARE KIND OF LOOKING AT THE GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE AND WE DON'T HAVE SOMEONE WHO IS A DEDICATED ARTS OR PERSON WHO KNOWS THAT WORLD.

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YEAH. I AM KIND OF SAD TO.

BE TAKING THIS POSITION, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WHO'S NOT HERE AT THIS TABLE.

BUT I UNDERSTAND THE NECESSITY.

AND I THINK THAT GIVEN THAT WE HAVE NOT.

WE ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO FULLY EXECUTE THE PLAN THAT THIS IS A OK DECISION.

THANK YOU. YEAH.

AND THE OTHER THING, WE DO GET A LOT OF PLANS AND SO IF WE ARE HIRING STAFF BEFORE WE HAVE AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, IT IS POSSIBLY NOT SETTING THEM UP FOR SUCCESS SINCE THE SHOW UP AND BE LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? WELL, JUST WAIT A SECOND WHILE WE GET THIS IMPLEMENTATION PLAN GOING.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE MOTION AS PRESENTED? I'M ALSO IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION, AND I THINK IT MAKES SENSE WHERE WE ARE AT IN RECEIVING THE PLAN AS WELL AS EVERY PLAN ALSO ALWAYS RECOMMENDS THAT WE HIRE A PERSON TO IMPLEMENT THE PLAN.

IF YOU LOOK AT OUR JOINT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, IT RECOMMENDED THAT WE WE INCLUDE SOMEBODY.

SO IT'S FREQUENTLY THE THE ONE ACTION ITEM THAT TENDS TO BUBBLE TO THE TOP IS LIKE YOU NEED TO HIRE SOMEBODY TO GROW.

STRATEGY RECOMMENDED THAT WE HIRE AN AGRICULTURE PERSON AND SO IT'S WE ALWAYS HAVE TO MAKE PRIORITIES SINCE MONEY DOESN'T GROW ON TREES AND BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, STAFF DO WORK THROUGH THESE PLANS AND AND WE DO SEE ACTION.

SO I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE MOTION AS PRESENTED.

SEEING NOTHING FURTHER.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? COUNCILLOR COCHRANE, ARE YOU IN FAVOR? I THINK.

CAN I ASK YOU AN AMENDMENT? SORRY, WE JUST VOTED ON IT, BUT WE WILL TAKE BACK THE VOTE IF YOU WANT TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION.

OKAY. COUNCILLOR MCGURK, IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE THEM.

AMENDMENT. SORRY, I THOUGHT I DID, BUT AS I WAS WHEN I WAS TALKING.

BUT I SHOULD HAVE MAYBE REISSUED IT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO IN OFFICIALLY NAMING THE ART SPACE WITHIN THE VISITOR CENTER.

DIRECT ADMINISTRATION TO MEANINGFULLY ENGAGE AND CONSULT WITH YKDFN IN THE NAMING PROCESS.

COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN, ARE YOU OPEN TO THE AMENDMENT? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

AND THEN YOU WERE SPEAKING AS WELL ABOUT A PARTICULAR SORT OF ARTS KNOWLEDGEABLE PERSON IN FINALIZING THE GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE.

IS THERE ANYTHING TO INCLUDE THERE OR JUST THE AMENDMENT TO THE NAMING THE SPACE? JUST THE NAMING OF THE SPACE, YES.

YEAH. I'D SAY WE DON'T WANT TO GET TOO DETAILED IN OUR.

I'D EVEN BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE MOTION AS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED BECAUSE WHEN WE GO OUT, WE WILL ENGAGE WITH PEOPLE, NOT ONLY THE ARTS COMMUNITY BUT THE YKDFN AND THE NORTH SLAVE METIS ALLIANCE AND OTHERS ON ON NAMING RECOMMENDATIONS SO WE CAN GO DETAILED AND INCLUDE THE CDF OR WE CAN KEEP IT BROAD AND DIRECT ADMINISTRATION TO WORK WITH STAKEHOLDERS.

COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN? PERSONALLY, I DON'T MIND SPECIFICALLY CALLING OUT YKDFN AND JUST THE MASTER PLAN SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT INDIGENOUS ART AND LOOKING TO CONSULT WITH INDIGENOUS GROUPS SO I CAN SEE THE VALUE THERE.

SO TO CHANGE IT, TO SAY.

COUNCIL DIRECTS ADMINISTRATION TO OFFICIALLY NAME THE VISITORS ARTS CENTER.

BY MEANINGFULLY CONSULTING WITH IN MEANINGFUL CONSULTATION WITH THE YELLOWKNIFE DENE FIRST NATION? WITH STAKEHOLDER GROUPS SPECIFICALLY INCLUDING YKDFN.

COUNCIL DIRECTS ADMINISTRATION TO OFFICIALLY NAME THE VISITOR'S CENTER ART SPACE.

BY MEANINGFULLY CONSULTING WITH STAKEHOLDERS, INCLUDING THE YKDFN? YEAH, COUNCILLOR, I HAD A COUNCILLOR.

SORRY. DEPUTY MAYOR ARDEN-SMITH AND THEN COUNCILLOR PAYNE.

COUNCILLOR PAYNE. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION AS AMENDED.

AND THE REASON WHY IS I BELIEVE THE CITY HAS DONE A WONDERFUL JOB IN IN APPROACHING ANY RENAMING OR NAMING OF NEW STRUCTURES IN A IN A VERY CARING WAY UP HERE AND TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE LOCAL INDIGENOUS GOVERNMENTS AND THE COMMUNITIES AROUND AROUND US.

SO I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY A BIT OF A MOOT POINT AND I'M VERY HAPPY WITH THE WAY THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING THINGS.

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SO I WON'T SUPPORT THE MOTION AS AMENDED.

I WILL SUPPORT THE ORIGINAL MOTION.

THANK YOU. DEPUTY MAYOR ARDEN-SMITH.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I MIMIC THE SAME SENTIMENT AS COUNCILLOR PAYNE.

I THINK WE'RE GETTING TOO MUCH INTO THE WEEDS OF IT.

WE'RE LOSING SIGHT OF WHAT IT IS WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

WE HAVE MANY INDIGENOUS GROUPS THAT RESIDE WITHIN YELLOWKNIFE, AND BY CALLING OUT ONE SPECIFIC, WE ARE NOT BEING INCLUSIVE TO ALL OF THE OTHER INDIGENOUS GROUPS THAT RESIDE HERE THAT CALL YELLOWKNIFE HOME.

THANK YOU. SO WITH THAT, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO SPLIT UP THE MOTION SO THAT IT'S ONE, TWO, THREE AND FIVE WITH NUMBER FOUR SEPARATE.

SO TO ONE, TWO, THREE AND FIVE.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AND GARRET SAYS HE'S IN FAVOR.

NUMBER FOUR IS, AS AMENDED COUNCIL DIRECTS ADMINISTRATION TO OFFICIALLY NAME THE VISITOR CENTER ART SPACE IN MEANINGFUL CONSULTATION WITH STAKEHOLDERS, INCLUDING OK.

COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN? COULD I JUST ASK ADMINISTRATION WHAT THEY THINK ON THIS MORE SPECIFIC MOTION AND JUST THEIR THOUGHTS? MS. BASSI-KELLETT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN, AND WE'RE REALLY, REALLY RESPECTFUL OF WHERE OUR NEW COUNSEL IS COMING FROM, THAT THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING AT THE CITY THAT ARE INFUSE INFUSE THE WAY THAT WE DO WORK.

AND PART OF IT IS IN ANY INCIDENT WHERE WE WOULD BE NAMING, WE WOULD BE CONSULTING VERY CLEARLY WITH MANY OF THE PARTNERS THAT ARE INVOLVED.

WE WOULD NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS JUST SORT OF GO INTO A BACK ROOM OF CITY HALL AND DREAM UP A NAME AND DECIDE THAT THAT WAS THE BEST THING AND THEN ANNOUNCE IT.

SO IT'S VERY, VERY INCUMBENT ON US TO MAKE SURE THAT THE APPROPRIATE STAKEHOLDERS ARE ALWAYS ENGAGED, ALWAYS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN, TO GIVE US DIRECTION, TO GIVE US THE BEST RECOMMENDATIONS POSSIBLE THAT MAKE SURE THAT THIS NEW NON COMMERCIAL GALLERY SPACE IS REALLY PORTRAYED AS BEING SOMETHING FOR EVERYONE AND RESPECTFUL OF THE FACT THAT WE'RE ON CHIEF DRYGEESE TERRITORY, HOME OF THE YELLOWKNIVES, BUT ALSO HOME TO MANY, MANY INDIGENOUS PEOPLE.

SO THERE WILL BE MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE CONSULTED AND THAT WOULD BE JUST THE WAY THAT THE CITY DOES BUSINESS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

YEAH. I TAKE COUNCILLOR ARDEN-SMITH'S POINT AND THE MENTION OF ALL GROUPS THAT LIVE IN THE AREA.

YEAH. THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR MCGURK? I GUESS MY FRIEND TOM MENTIONED IT EARLIER.

THIS WAS A SPECIFIC SORT OF ASK OR A HIGHLIGHT IN OUR CULTURE MASTERPLAN.

AND IF WE WERE ALREADY DOING THIS ENGAGEMENT AND WE CONSIDER IT TO BE.

SORT OF EQUIVALENT, EQUIVALENT, SUFFICIENT OR MEANINGFUL ENOUGH TO BE COUNTED AS SUFFICIENT.

I'M WONDERING IF THERE IS THERE SOME SORT OF REASON WHY WE SHOULD NOT PUT IT ON THE RECORD? AND I'M HAPPY TO ALSO PROPOSE THAT THE MOTION OR THE SORT OF LANGUAGE BE AMENDED TO BE IN REFERENCE TO THE JUST GROUPS THAT HAVE USED THIS TIME OR LAND SINCE TIME IMMEMORIAL THAT ARE NOT JUST LIKE THEY DO OFTEN.

SO I GUESS I'M MAYBE IT'S A QUESTION FOR ADMINISTRATION IF THERE'S ANY REASON WHY, I GUESS USING THIS LANGUAGE AND PUTTING ON THE PUBLIC RECORD THAT THIS IS AN IMPORTANT THING IS A BAD THING.

IT'S NOT I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S A BAD THING.

IT'S JUST. WE WOULD THEN ADD IT TO EVERY MOTION IF WE'RE TRYING TO SIGNIFY THAT IT'S IMPORTANT.

SO IT'S THE, IN ABSENCE OF IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.

IT'S OTHERWISE WE'RE GOING TO ADD IT TO EVERY MOTION.

AND AS OPPOSED TO LIKE THIS IS THE WAY WE WORK AND THEREFORE WE DON'T HAVE TO INCLUDE THE WORDING IN ALL OF OUR MOTIONS.

I ALSO DON'T WANT US TO GET HUNG UP ON THIS WORDSMITHING, BECAUSE WE'VE STILL GOT A LOT OF BUDGET TO GO THROUGH.

SO, YOU KNOW, IF FOLKS ARE OKAY WITH COUNCIL.

ADMINISTRATION TO OFFICIALLY NAME THE VISITORS ARTS CENTER, RECOGNIZING THAT WE HAVE TO DO THAT WITH THE CITY'S GUIDING VALUES OF RECONCILIATION, WE HAVE TO DO THAT IN ALLIANCE AND IN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR RECONCILIATION ACTION PLAN, IN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR JOINT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY WITH THE YELLOWKNIFE'S DENE FIRST NATION.

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SO IT'S NOT. THIS MOTION ISN'T STANDING ALONE BY ITSELF.

IT'S ALL THESE OTHER DOCUMENTS, OF COURSE, ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FEED THROUGH HOW WE GO IN THE NAMING, BUT.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT ANYTHING FURTHER FROM ADMIN? THANKS VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.

THAT'S EXACTLY IT. THIS IS WE'RE WORKING VERY, VERY HARD, VERY CONSCIOUSLY TO ENSURE WE INFUSE WHAT THE WORK OF THE CITY IS WITH RECONCILIATION.

AND CERTAINLY WHEN IT COMES TO SOMETHING AS IMPORTANT AS NAMING A FACILITY, WE WOULD ALWAYS BE LOOKING TO MAKE SURE WE CAST A WIDE NET TO INCLUDE ALL OF THE THE APPROPRIATE STAKEHOLDERS THE ARTS COMMUNITY, INDIGENOUS COMMUNITY, INDIGENOUS ARTISTS, DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT HAVE A ROLE AND CERTAINLY AN INTEREST IN THIS.

SO IT IS PART OF OUR MODUS OPERANDI.

IT'S HOW WE DO BUSINESS.

THERE'S BEEN VERY CLEAR DIRECTION GIVEN CERTAINLY BY PREVIOUS COUNCIL AROUND THE VALUE OF RECONCILIATION, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE IN CITY ADMINISTRATION HOLD NEAR AND DEAR.

AND IF I CAN JUST GO SIDEWAYS FOR JUST A MOMENT ON CARFAX 100%, WE ARE USING CARFAX.

WE ARE VERY, VERY AWARE OF THAT, THAT WE NEED TO TICK BOXES IN THE FORMAL WAYS OF RECOGNIZING ARTISTS, AND WE WOULD NEVER SET UP ANYTHING IN THE NONCOMMERCIAL GALLERY THAT DID NOT USE THAT. SO WE ABSOLUTELY 100% ADHERE TO THAT AS WELL.

THANK YOU.

I GUESS I APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS.

I THINK I WOULD BE IF IT'S I DON'T I DO NOT WANT TO HOLD UP THIS MOTION.

AND IF THAT MEANS THAT WE REMOVE THE AMENDMENT, I'M FINE WITH THAT.

I DO, JUST AS A COMMENT, WANT TO SAY THAT WE NEED TO CENTER INDIGENOUS ARTISTS AND THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

AND THAT WAS THE ATTEMPT OF MY AMENDMENT AND I HOPE THAT THAT SPIRIT IS UNDERSTOOD.

ANYTHING FURTHER BEFORE COUNCILLOR MCLEAN CONCLUDES? COUNCILLOR MCLEAN? YES, IF YOU HAVE COUNCILLOR MCGURK GOOD WITH THE ORIGINAL MOTION, I'D SAY JUST GO WITH THAT.

BUT JUST LIKE TO.

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT UP AND THE CONVERSATION.

AND THANK YOU.

SOUNDS GOOD. SO TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION, WHICH IS COUNCIL DIRECTS ADMINISTRATION TO OFFICIALLY NAME THE VISITOR CENTER ART SPACE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

AND THAT CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

COUNCILLOR COCHRANE MAY BE A MINUTE AND A HALF BEHIND US, BUT HE HAS BEEN IN FAVOR SO FAR, SO I'M GOING TO TAKE THAT AS HE'S IN FAVOR.

ANYTHING FURTHER ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND STRATEGY? COUNCILLOR WARBURTON? THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. JUST FOLLOWING UP, WE MENTIONED YESTERDAY WE HAVE SEVEN STRATEGIES THAT [INAUDIBLE] WORKING ON.

JUST CURIOUS HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE FUNDED WITH ANY MONEY.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'LL ASK MS. THISTLE IF SHE COULD RESPOND TO THAT.

THANKS FOR THE QUESTION.

CURRENTLY, THERE'S NO SPECIFIC FUNDING DEDICATED TO ANY OF THE STRATEGIES.

HOWEVER, WE DO RECEIVE, APPLY AND RECEIVE FUNDING FOR VARIOUS INITIATIVES IDENTIFIED IN THE STRATEGIES.

FOR EXAMPLE, AS I INDICATED LAST NIGHT, INDUSTRY, TOURISM AND INVESTMENT.

WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN THE PAST ON CANE OR APPLICATIONS, SO THE WAYFINDING STRATEGY WAS FUNDED PROJECT OUR TOURISM STRATEGY RENEWAL IS PARTIALLY FUNDED, SO WE DO TAKE INITIATIVES OUT OF OUR STRATEGIES AND THEN DEVELOP FUNDING APPLICATIONS THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO THE ACTIONS IDENTIFIED.

BUT THERE'S NO SPECIFIC FUNDING DEDICATED TO IMPLEMENTATION OF AN ENTIRE STRATEGY.

THANKS TO THAT NEXT ONE.

DO WE MISS OUT ON ANY KIND OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES AROUND THESE STRATEGIES DUE TO CAPACITY LIKE CERTAIN THINGS WE MISS OUT ON? MS. BASSI-KELLETT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANT TO SAY BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER TO MS. THISTLE ON THIS. SO WE'RE VERY WE HAVE A GRANT WRITER THAT'S ON STAFF THAT IS ALWAYS LOOKING TO SEEK OUT FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE CITY TO FIND WHERE THERE'S MONEY THAT'S OUT THERE THAT WE CAN APPLY FOR, THAT WE CAN SEEK TO ACCESS THAT ALIGNS WITH WORK THAT WE HAVE UNDERWAY.

WE'VE LEARNED OUR LESSON.

WE DON'T CHASE DOLLARS.

WE DON'T GO AFTER FUNDING.

THAT'S FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE THAT DOESN'T ALIGN WITH WORK THAT WE HAVE IN OUR WORK PLANS, IN THE DIRECTIONS THAT'S SET BY COUNCIL AND ANY OF THE STRATEGIES WE ADOPT.

SO WE DEFINITELY ARE SEEKING OUT FUNDS THAT WILL COMPLEMENT AND UPLIFT AND ADVANCE THE PLANS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE.

I'LL ASK MS. THISTLE IF SHE CAN TAKE THIS FURTHER.

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THE STRATEGIES AND IMPLEMENTATION PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY PREVIOUS COUNCILS ARE REALLY THE MARCHING ORDERS FOR OUR DEPARTMENT.

SO THE ACTION ITEMS OUT OF THOSE ARE THE INITIATIVES THAT WE'RE WORKING ON AND WORKING TOWARDS.

ARE THERE POTENTIAL FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE DON'T APPLY FOR BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE MORE STAFF? DEFINITELY. CAN I SAY WHETHER WE MISS OUT, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE WOULD RECEIVE THEM, BUT THERE'S DEFINITELY TIMES WHEN THERE'S MONEY AVAILABLE THAT WE COULD APPLY FOR THAT IT IS CAPACITY BECAUSE IT'S EVEN IF WE RECEIVE FUNDING THAT WE CAN CONTRACT SOME OF THE WORK OUT.

WE NEED TO HAVE STAFF THAT CAN MANAGE THAT.

AND IS EVERYONE PRETTY MUCH, I THINK ACROSS THE COUNTRY IS EXPERIENCING IT IS DIFFICULT TO FILL POSITION.

SO WE HAVE HAD SOME EMPTY POSITIONS IN OUR DEPARTMENT OVER THE PAST 6 TO 12 MONTHS.

THANKS FOR THAT. YEAH, I JUST THE GENERAL COMMENT I WITH AN ITEM LINE OF 341,000, I DON'T THINK WE CAN SIT HERE AND SAY THAT WE'RE REALLY TAKING IT SERIOUSLY CURRENTLY. I'M NOT GOING TO AMEND ANYTHING IN THE BUDGET.

I'M REALLY CURIOUS TO SEE THE COMBINATION LEVY AND KIND OF HOW WE FOCUS THAT MONEY BEFORE I CAN, I GUESS, RENDERING A VERDICT, I'M, YEAH, WE'VE GOT SOME HEADWINDS COMING HERE AND IT'S JUST THIS NUMBER TO ME DOESN'T REFLECT THE SERIOUSNESS OF WHAT'S COMING HERE.

SO THANKS.

THANK YOU. ANYTHING FURTHER ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND STRATEGY? SEEING NONE.

NEXT, WE HAVE COMMUNITY SERVICES.

SO PAGE 52 IS THE STAFFING SUMMARY.

HOLD ON 2 SECONDS. SORRY IF.

COUNCILLOR COCHRANE? YEAH. I THOUGHT HE SAID HE COULD.

YEAH. APOLOGIES.

COMMUNITY SERVICES, STAFFING.

SUMMARY. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? PAGE 52.

I HAD A QUESTION. MS. BASSI-KELLETT? SO THIS ONE IS PROPOSING TO ADD ONE ASSET MANAGEMENT AND ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT.

AND JUST WONDERING IF IT'S BEST TO BE IN THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT OR MORE IN THE ASSET MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT AND JUST KNOW SOMETIMES WE PUT ALL THE ADMIN ASSISTANTS UNDER ONE AREA AS OPPOSED TO HAVING THEM IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS.

SO YEAH, JUST WONDERING ABOUT THE ASSET MANAGEMENT AND ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT AND WHETHER THAT ONE SHOULD GO UNDER ASSET MANAGEMENT? MS. BASSI-KELLETT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

WE MADE A DELIBERATE RECOMMENDATION AND DECISION TO PUT THIS POSITION INTO COMMUNITY SERVICES IN LARGE PART BECAUSE WHERE WE HAVE SEEN THAT WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO COLLECT REALLY EXCELLENT DATA ON OUR FACILITIES IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS, FOR EXAMPLE, PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING IS WHEN THEY HAVE THE ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE AND REALLY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF PROGRAMS LIKE CITY WORKS, WHERE WE COLLECT A LOT OF THE DATA ABOUT OUR ASSETS, OUR BUILDINGS, OUR FACILITIES.

COMMUNITY SERVICES HAS NOT HAD THAT LEVEL OF SUPPORT AND WE ARE REALLY, REALLY KEEN TO START MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN AMPLIFY THE WAY THAT THEY COLLECT DATA SO THAT IT WILL FEED INTO OUR ASSET MANAGEMENT INFORMATION BASE OVERALL.

RIGHT NOW THEY'RE BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL.

THEY HAVEN'T HAD THAT KIND OF SUPPORT.

AND SO WE'RE TRYING VERY DELIBERATELY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DO.

I'LL ASK MR. WHITE IF HE'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS FURTHER.

THANKS. YEP.

THANK YOU, MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

SO CITY WORKS IS THE OPERATIONAL MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR, I'M GUESSING, MAYBE TEN YEARS THAT PUBLIC WORKS HAS HAD THE, I GUESS, THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH COMMUNITY SERVICES.

MUCH OF OUR MEASUREMENTS ARE DONE ANECDOTALLY.

WE DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFIC INPUTS, AND THIS POSITION WILL ALLOW US TO HAVE THE STAFF THAT WOULD BASICALLY DO ALL THE DATA ENTRY AND AT THE END OF ANY REPORTING PERIOD WOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE CLEAR AND ACCURATE MEASUREMENTS ON THE WORK THAT WE DO.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

YEAH. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT PULLED INTO OTHER WORK, THAT THEY'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON THE ASSET MANAGEMENT, BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CONTINUING AND KIND OF ACCELERATING ASSET MANAGEMENT AS MUCH AS WE CAN.

BUT AS LONG AS ADMIN FEELS THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, MONITORING IT AND PERHAPS WHEN THE ASSET MANAGER COMES BACK ON BOARD, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO PULL ALL THE ASSET MANAGEMENT RESOURCES UNDER ONE ROOF.

BUT FOR NOW, LEAVE IT AS IS.

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THANKS, MADAM CHAIR. SO JUST LOOKING AT THE STAFFING SUMMARY KIND OF OUT INTO THE FUTURE, UNDERSTANDING THAT, OF COURSE THE AQUATIC CENTER IS GOING TO BE COMING ON IN 2024 AND THERE'S THAT BIG STAFF JUMP OF 14 POSITIONS FROM THE CURRENT BUDGET.

AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THE DETAIL IN THE BUDGET AND ANSWERING ALL THE QUESTIONS AROUND THIS.

MY ONLY REMAINING QUESTION IS, ARE ALL THESE STAFF POSITIONS KIND OF OUR IDEAL ORG CHART FOR THE AQUATIC CENTER OR ARE THESE REQUIREMENTS BY LEGISLATION AND SAFETY? MS. BASSI-KELLETT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

WE ABSOLUTELY FOLLOW THE REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS WHEN IT COMES TO STAFFING, AND WE KNOW THAT SOME OF THE DECISIONS THAT WE'VE MADE ON DESIGN WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON OUR STAFFING LEVELS THAT ARE REQUIRED AT THE AQUATIC CENTER.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, HAVING THE LARGE WATER SLIDE THAT WE DO, WE KNOW THERE ARE SOME VERY STRINGENT RULES AROUND HAVING THESE STAFFED SO THAT THERE ARE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE MET WHEN PEOPLE ARE USING IT.

WE'LL NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT CAPACITY BUILT IN.

I'LL ASK MR. WHITE IF HE CAN SPEAK TO SOME OF THE DETAILS AROUND WHAT DRIVES OUR PY ESTIMATES WHEN IT COMES TO THE AQUATIC CENTER.

I GUESS I THINK MS. BASSI-KELLETT. I GUESS THE EASIEST WAY TO DESCRIBE IT IS JUST THE SHEER MAGNITUDE OF OF THE AQUATIC CENTER COMPARED TO THE CURRENT MEMORIAL POOL.

EARLY IN THE NEW YEAR, I WILL BE IN FRONT OF G.P.S.

DETAILING THE THE INFORMATION.

I DON'T HAVE IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD RIGHT NOW, BUT I CAN JUST TELL YOU THAT LIKE CURRENTLY WE HAVE ONE MAIN POOL AND ONE HOT TUB AND WE ARE GOING WELL BEYOND THAT WITH THE MAIN POOL, A LEISURE POOL, A HOT TUB, SPLASH PAD, A WATER SLIDE.

I KNOW WHAT I'M GOING TO FORGET SOME OF THE DETAILS, BUT AND SO CURRENTLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DOWNSTAIRS THERE, A THIS SMALL POOL AND WE LOVE TO TAKE YOU THERE SOMETIME THERE ARE TWO FILTER TANKS, ONE FOR EACH THE POOL.

WITH THE NEW FACILITY, THERE WILL BE FOUR FILTER TANKS.

SO JUST LIKE THAT IN ITSELF IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK WITH THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE WITH OUR EIGHT LANE, 25 METER LAP POOL AND OUR THREE LANE LEISURE POOL.

THERE'S GOING TO BE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR INCREASING OUR PROGRAMING.

AND AGAIN, SO THAT'S ALL THE STAFF THAT ARE THAT ARE ON THE DECK AND NOT ONLY JUST ON THE PROGRAM DELIVERY SIDE, BUT OBVIOUSLY ON THE WITH THE EXTRA POOL SPACE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE WITH THE AMOUNT OF LIFEGUARDS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE NEEDING TO OPERATE THAT FACILITY.

I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. IF THERE'S ANY MORE DETAILED QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO HELP OR PROVIDE THEM TOMORROW OR IN JANUARY WHEN I DO THE MUCH GREATER PRESENTATION.

THANKS. SEEING NOTHING FURTHER ON THE STAFFING STAFFING SUMMARY.

NEXT, WE HAVE COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTORATE, PAGE 55.

COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN? I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHERE TO ASK THIS QUESTION, BUT IT WAS GREAT TO SEE THE BREAKDOWN OF OIL VERSUS PELLETS AND THE THE DISTRIBUTION OF COSTS THERE.

I WAS JUST WONDERING WHICH CITY FACILITIES ARE STILL RUNNING ON HEATING OIL? MS. BASSI-KELLETT? MR. WHITE? THANK YOU, MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

IF I COULD JUST FOCUS ON COMMUNITY SERVICES.

I'LL HAVE TO LET MY COLLEAGUE SPEAK TO SOME OF THE OTHER ONES THE FIRE HALL AND PUBLIC WORKS.

SO STARTING DOWN AN OLD TOWN WITH THE WILDCAT, THAT IS A PROPANE FACILITY.

CITY HALL IS AN OIL FACILITY.

[INAUDIBLE] SHOP IS A PROPANE FACILITY.

AND THEN IF WE LOOK AT THE CURLING CLUB, THE WICKER ARENA, THE RUTH MEMORIAL POOL, THE FIELDHOUSE AND THE MULTIPLEX, THOSE ARE ALL ON OIL.

HOWEVER, THERE'S SUPPLEMENTAL HEAT.

WE HAVE ECO SYSTEMS THAT ARE OPERATE OFF THE ICE PLANTS AT BOTH THE WACO ARENA AND THE MULTIPLEX.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE OUR DISTRICT PELLET HEAT, SAUNA IN ORDER OF USE.

THE ECO CHILL KICKS IN FIRST AND IT PROVIDES LOW GRADE HEAT FOR PRE HEATS TO OUR SOME OF OUR DOMESTIC HOT WATER AS WELL AS OUR HEATING COILS.

AND THEN NEXT IN SEQUENCE IS THE PELLET BOILER.

IT KICKS IN AND THEN ON DAYS LIKE TODAY OR DAYS LIKE TODAY, YOU MAY SEE THE THE OIL KICK IN AS WELL.

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AGAIN, LET'S TAKE YOU GUYS ON A TOUR SO YOU COULD SEE THESE IN PERSON.

THANKS FOR THE INFO. AND I'M ASSUMING THE CITY HALL IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST USER OF OIL LEFT OF CITY FACILITIES.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT? I WILL SEE IF MR. WHITE OR MR. GREENCORN WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THAT.

NO, WOULDN'T BE CITY HALL'S.

THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT IS OUR BIGGEST USER OF OIL.

ALL OF OUR PUBLIC WORKS FACILITIES, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE GARAGE, ARE ON OIL.

WE DO TEMPER WATER AT PUMPS, ONE WITH PELLETS FOR THE POTABLE WATER SYSTEM AS A MEANS OF FREEZE PROTECTION.

BUT ALL OF OUR 14 LIFT STATIONS AND OTHER SIX PUMP HOUSES OTHER THAN THAT ARE ALL STILL ON DIESEL.

AWESOME. THANKS FOR THE INFO.

I HAD A QUESTION, MS. BASSI-KELLETT, THE HOMELESSNESS EMPLOYMENT PROGRAM.

THE INTENTION WAS CLEANING UP THE DOWNTOWN, AND THAT'S WHERE THE FUNDING IS COMING FROM.

THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT RESERVE.

WHAT'S THE REASONING IN HAVING THAT BUDGET IN THE DIRECTORATE AS OPPOSED TO PARKS WHERE PARKS IS ABOUT DOWNTOWN LITTER CLEANUP? MS. BASSI-KELLETT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR, FOR THE QUESTION.

SO PART OF IT IS THE MANAGEMENT AND OVERSIGHT THAT'S PROVIDED THROUGH THE DIRECTORATE OF COMMUNITY SERVICES.

THERE IS THE ABILITY THEN TO MAKE SURE THAT THE EXPENDITURES ARE ARE MEETING SOME OF THE SOCIAL ISSUES AS WELL, NOT JUST FOCUSING ON SOME OF THE PARK CLEANUP.

I'LL ASK MR. WHITE IF HE'D LIKE TO ELABORATE ON THAT.

THANK YOU. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT IN A NUTSHELL.

THE HOMELESSNESS PORTFOLIO HAS BEEN UNDER THE DIRECTORATE SINCE IT CAME TO COMMUNITY SERVICES IN, I THINK, 2017.

WE ARE, AS I MENTIONED, I THINK PREVIOUSLY, WE'RE MOVING THAT TOWARDS THE PROGRAM MANAGER FOR RESPONSIBILITY.

BUT WHERE IT LIES, YOU KNOW, IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY INCONSEQUENTIAL TO JUST TERMS OF THE MANAGEMENT OF IT.

THANK YOU. YEAH.

AND I DON'T WANT TO I WON'T BELABOR IT TODAY.

MIGHT BRING IT FORWARD IN JANUARY, BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS PROGRAM, IT IS BEING FUNDED BY THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT FUND AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CORE WORK IS HAPPENING DOWNTOWN. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE PROS AND CONS OF ACTUALLY WE SAW HOW MUCH THE ACCESSIBLE PLAYGROUND, HOW MUCH THAT ATE UP PARKS STAFF TIME.

AND SO THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO GO TO THE OTHER PARKS AROUND TOWN.

AND THERE WAS A FAIR AMOUNT OF LITTER AROUND DOWNTOWN THIS YEAR.

AND SO REALLY MAKING SURE THAT THAT WE'RE GETTING THE OUTCOMES THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN THIS FUNDING.

AND I KNOW WE DID REDUCE THE NUMBER OF SUMMER STUDENTS TO THE PARKS CREWS A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, BUT THEN THAT WAS WE SUPPLEMENTED THAT BY HAVING THIS THE DOWNTOWN CLEANUP PROGRAM. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY MEETING OUR OBJECTIVES, BUT I'LL HOLD THAT DISCUSSION FOR FOR MAYBE EARLY JANUARY.

COUNCILLOR WARBURTON AND THEN COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. SO JUST GOING THROUGH THE COMMUNITY SERVICES BUDGET THERE, I SEE THE WILDCAT IS COSTING MONEY AND COST MONEY EVERY YEAR.

IS THERE A REASON? I'M SURE THERE'S A VALID REASON HERE WHY THAT'S NOT KIND OF LEASED OUT OR USED YEAR ROUND, SO IT'S A BIT MORE COST NEUTRAL.

WE'LL JUMP TO THAT ONE SOON.

YEAH. JUST ON THE DIRECTORY.

COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN? YEAH. I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE STREET OUTREACH PROGRAM.

HAVE WE DONE ANY CONSULTATION WITH THE WOMEN'S SOCIETY? BASICALLY TO DETERMINE IS THE MONEY WE'RE PAYING ADEQUATE TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE LEVELS STANDARD THAT WE'RE EXPECTING? HAVE WE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM ABOUT THAT? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE VERY THOUGHTFUL QUESTION.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT REALLY WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME WORKING ON BECAUSE WE SEE THAT THE YELLOWKNIFE STREET OUTREACH VAN IS ONE OF THE COMPONENTS THAT IS SUPPORTING PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY, ALONG WITH OTHER NGOS AND SOCIAL AGENCIES, ALONG WITH OUR EMERGENCY MEDICAL RESPONSE THROUGH OUR AMBULANCE SYSTEM.

SO WE REALLY WANT TO LOOK AT THE SYSTEM OVERALL TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS SEAMLESSNESS IN THIS.

WE KNOW THAT THE WOMEN'S SOCIETY HAS STRUGGLED WITH THIS.

THEY'RE OPERATING A NUMBER OF PROGRAMS, THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB, BUT THEY ARE STRETCHED EXTRAORDINARILY THIN, AS MOST OF THE NGOS AND SOCIAL AGENCIES IN OUR COMMUNITY ARE.

SO WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THE VAN ISN'T ON THE ROAD.

THEY'RE CHALLENGED TO STAFF.

THEY HAVE DIFFERENT PRESSURES THAT THEY FEEL AS WELL.

AND SO IN TERMS OF WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE BACK AND FORTH WITH THEM QUITE A BIT, I WILL ASK MR. WHITE TO SPEAK TO THIS.

HIS TEAM, I BELIEVE, IS ADMINISTERING THE OVERSIGHT OF THIS, WORKING WITH THE WOMEN'S SOCIETY ON A NUMBER OF SOCIAL FRONTS.

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE OFTEN HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE WOMEN'S SOCIETY ON ON THE STREET OUTREACH PROGRAM, AND WE KNOW THAT THE INFORMATION WE'VE RECEIVED IS THAT WE'VE BEEN ADVISED WE'RE ABOUT $10,000 A MONTH SHORT IN TERMS OF THEIR OVERALL COSTS.

THEY DO HAVE A NUMBER OF CHALLENGES IN MS. BASSI-KELLETT MENTIONED.

STAFFING IS ONE OF THEM.

THE VAN IS ANOTHER.

THE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THE VAN IS ON THE ROAD.

IF, OF COURSE YOU GUYS SEEN IT, IT'S A FAMILY PASSENGER VAN THAT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN MADE FOR THE AMOUNT OF USE THAT IT GETS OVER TIME. WE HAVE FINE TUNED THE PROGRAM BASED ON INFORMATION THAT THAT OUR KEY STAFF OF GAIN FROM OTHER JURISDICTIONS, MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE SIMILAR PROGRAMS AND TO ASSIST IN PARTICULARLY ON THE VAN SIDE OF IT MOVING TO THROUGH OUR PROCESS MOVING TOWARDS A MORE BOOTS ON THE GROUND, HAVING PEOPLE TRAIN PERSONNEL, MEET PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE AND HAVING THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE SERVICES BASICALLY ON THE SPOT IS ONE MODEL THAT WE'RE THAT WE'RE SLOWLY GETTING TO.

YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED THAT MAYBE NOT THE VAN USED TO OPERATE FROM NOON TO MIDNIGHT.

THEN IT WAS DOWN.

WE REDUCED WE DIDN'T REDUCE IT.

WE CHANGED THE HOURS TO 11 TO 11.

AND THAT WAS BASED ON A LOT OF THE IMPORTANT INPUT THAT WE GOT FROM THE WOMEN'S SOCIETY ON ON WHERE THEY PICK UP AND WHERE THEY DROP OFF.

THE SYSTEM HAS DETECTED THAT A FEW LINES ARE STILL CONNECTED TO THE CONFERENCE AND WILL ATTEMPT TO DISCONNECT THEM.

IF YOU WISH TO REMAIN IN THE CONFERENCE, PLEASE PRESS STAR ONE TO DIAL OUT.

PLEASE DIAL THE AREA CODE AND NUMBER THAT YOU WISH TO CONNECT TO THE CONFERENCE, FOLLOWED BY THE POUND SIGN PRESS STAR TO RETURN CALL.

AND THEN AS WE GET TOWARDS MOVING TOWARDS THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND MODEL, THE OPERATING OPERATING HOURS ARE NOW 10 A.M.

TO 10 P.M. SO I KIND OF LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT WITH THAT INTERRUPTION, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE GIST OF IT.

THANK YOU. AND IS THERE LIKE A SCHEDULE OR EXPECTATION OF WHEN THAT SORT OF SHIFT WILL HAPPEN TO THAT BOOTS ON THE GROUND AND ANY CONSIDERATION? YEAH. HAS HAS THE TIMING OF THAT BEEN SET IN IN CONSULTATION WITH THE WOMEN SITE? MS. BASSI-KELLETT? WE NEED TO BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT OUR FUNDING WORKS, WE GO OUT ANNUALLY FOR RFP TO SEEK PROPONENTS THAT ARE WILLING TO BID ON THIS AND IT HAS BEEN THE WOMEN'S SOCIETY TYPICALLY ALWAYS COMING FORWARD.

SO IT IS SOMETHING WHERE WE'RE COMING TO THE END OF OUR CURRENT FISCAL YEAR AND WE'LL BE GOING OUT PENDING APPROVAL OF THE BUDGET.

WE'LL BE READY TO SHOOT THE RFP PRONTO.

BUT I WILL ASK MR. WHITE IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS MORE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE RFP PROCESS IS A TOOL THAT WE HAVE TO MOVE TOWARDS THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND MODEL.

THIS 2022 YEAR, IT WAS THE WORDS THAT WE THAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING HAVE BEEN IN THE RFP.

AND THEN WITH ONE APPLICANT, IT COMES TO A MATTER OF NEGOTIATING AND THAT 10 A.M.

TO 10 P.M. IS WHERE WE ENDED UP WITH FOR 2022.

WE HAVE BEEN ADVISED BY OTHER AGENCIES THAT IF THERE WAS EVER MULTI YEAR FUNDING FOR THE PROGRAM, THEN THEY WOULD BE MORE APT TO TO BID IN ON IT.

BUT UNTIL THEN WE WERE JUST AT THE MERCY OF GOING THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS AND SEEING WHO WE CAN ATTRACT ON A YEARLY BASIS.

THANK YOU. AND IS THERE ANY REASON WHY WE'RE NOT DOING MULTIYEAR FUNDING OR WHAT IS ADMINISTRATION'S OPINION ON THAT? MS. BASSI-KELLETT? I WILL TURN THIS TO MR. WHITE, BUT PART OF THE CHALLENGE ON THIS IS THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY WITHIN THE CORE SERVICE OF OUR ORGANIZATION, SOMETHING WE TAKE ON.

SO WITHOUT SORT OF THE THE WILL TO COMMIT FUNDS MULTIYEAR, IT'S VERY CHALLENGING FOR US TO GO BEYOND THE YEAR OVER YEAR.

I'LL ASK MR. WHITE IF HE'D LIKE TO ADD TO THAT.

THANK YOU. YEAH, IT'S REALLY THAT WAS THE SUCCINCT ANSWER.

THERE'S NOT REALLY MUCH TO ADD EXCEPT IT COMES FORWARD TO COUNCIL EVERY YEAR FOR APPROVAL.

THANK YOU. THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE COULD BRING THIS FORWARD FOR DISCUSSION IN JANUARY IF COUNCIL WOULD LIKE AND DISCUSS KIND OF MORE IN DETAIL ABOUT WHETHER WE WANT TO LOOK TO DIRECT ADMINISTRATION TO COME FORWARD WITH AN EVALUATION OF THE PROGRAM AND PROPOSED REVISED COSTS.

I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY WITH THE GNWT.

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IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY, SOMETHING THERE THE RCMP HAS BEEN LOOKING AT, BUT OF COURSE THEY DON'T HAVE FUNDING AT THE MENTAL HEALTH AND RCMP MODEL.

SO IF WE DO WANT TO HAVE KIND OF THAT FURTHER LARGER DISCUSSION ABOUT STREET OUTREACH AND WAYS TO IMPROVE IT AND HOW MUCH IT WOULD NEED FROM A BUDGET PERSPECTIVE, WE CAN ADD IT TO GPC FOR JANUARY.

YEAH, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT CONVERSATION TO HAVE.

AND I THINK, YEAH, TRYING TO BRING DIFFERENT GROUPS TOGETHER AND FIND AN EFFICIENT AND YEAH, WAY TO GET ALL THESE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS TO WORK TOGETHER AND, AND MAKE SURE WE'RE GIVING THE CORRECT AMOUNT OF FUNDING.

YEAH. SEE WE'RE BUDGETING MONEY FOR 24 AND 25 AND IT'S YEAH, THAT WOULD BE AN AMAZING DISCUSSION.

PERFECT. GOT IT IN MY CALENDAR FOR JANUARY ALREADY.

ANYTHING FURTHER ON THE DIRECTORATE? SEEING NONE.

NEXT, WE HAVE ARENAS PAGE 56.

SEEING NONE.

NEXT WE HAVE THE FIELD HOUSE, PAGE 57.

COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN? SO THIS IS JUST SORT OF A COMMENT.

I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS RECREATION FACILITIES, ACCESS FOR SENIORS AND ACCESS FOR ALL PROGRAMING IN THE NEW YEAR AS PART OF OUR DISCUSSION OF FEES AND CHARGES FOR PROGRAMING, I'D LIKE TO EXPAND THIS ACCESS, ESPECIALLY FOR LOW INCOME SENIORS WHO MAY NOT QUALIFY FOR ACCESS FOR ALL.

A FIGURE OF NOTE IN OUR DISCUSSION IS THAT THE ESTIMATE THE CITY WOULD LOSE IN REVENUES IS ABOUT 28,000 FOR EXPANDING ACCESS TO THE FIELD HOUSE FOR TUESDAY AND THURSDAY MORNINGS AS WELL.

AND I UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGE HERE OF JUST GIVING BLANKET ACCESS TO ONE GROUP WITHOUT ANY SORT OF MEANS TESTING.

SO JUST SORT OF WANT TO BRING IT UP NOW AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.

WHEN WE DISCUSS FEES AND CHARGES NEXT YEAR, WE'LL NOTE THAT FOR A DISCUSSION AND WE'LL DISCUSS.

WE'LL ADD IT TO GPC.

ANYTHING FURTHER ON THE FIELDHOUSE? SEEING NONE.

PAGE 58 IS THE YELLOWKNIFE CURLING CLUB.

COUNCILLOR MCGURK? JUST A QUESTION ON THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF THE BUILDING OR THE REMAINING LIFE EXPECTANCY IN THE BUILDING.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT? MR. WHITE, DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEL TO SHARE? NOT SPECIFICALLY ON THE LIFE EXPECTANCY, BUT I CAN SAY THAT WE DO HAVE AN AGGRESSIVE MAINTENANCE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.

OVER THE YEARS THERE HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE COSMETIC WORK ON CARPETING AND PAINTING THE CURLING CLUB.

AS YOU GUYS MAY KNOW, IS WE HAVE AN OPERATING AGREEMENT WITH THE CLUB WHERE THE CITY LOOKS AFTER ALL THE MAINTENANCE, ALL THE UTILITIES AND BASICALLY ALL THE COSTS, INCLUDING THE THE REFRIGERATION, WHICH IS ACTUALLY IN THE WICKER ARENA.

IT WAS JUST UPGRADED.

SO IT'S BRAND NEW.

SO WE ARE LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE QUITE AN AGGRESSIVE MAINTENANCE MAINTENANCE PACKAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF OUR FACILITIES, AS THEY ARE AGING, ARE EXCEEDING THEIR LIFE EXPECTANCY THAT WAS ORIGINALLY CONTEMPLATED FOR.

SO I GUESS I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.

THANKS. THANK YOU.

SEEING NOTHING FURTHER, WE HAVE PARKS PAGE 60.

COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN? JUST ANOTHER COMMENT HERE JUST AFTER THE SNOW REMOVAL.

IT WAS GREAT TO SEE SOME NEW INFOGRAPHICS COME OUT THIS WEEK.

IT WAS REALLY HELPFUL.

AND AGAIN, JUST WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO CHRIS AND HIS TEAM FOR THE AMAZING WORK THERE.

AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD INCREASE THE SNOW REMOVAL BUDGET BASED OFF OF ONE YEAR, ESPECIALLY A BIG OUTLIER LIKE THIS.

BUT LOOKING TO HISTORICAL DATA AND THINKING ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE IN THIS CONTEXT, I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT.

AND YEAH, SORT OF REVIEWING ALL OF THESE SORT OF CITY PROCEDURES AND HOW THEY MAY BE AFFECTED BY CLIMATE CHANGE AS PART OF OUR COMMUNITY ENERGY PLAN WORK.

IN THE COMING YEARS, I THINK WOULD BE WELL TIMED.

AND YEAH, THE IDEA CHRIS HAD ABOUT HAVING ACCUMULATION TRIGGERS FOR ENGAGING CONTRACTORS SOUNDS VERY SMART AND JUST.

YEAH. THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL THE HARD WORK.

PERFECT. AND JUST TO NOTE, THIS SNOW REMOVAL HERE WOULD BE FOR CITY FACILITIES AS WELL AS THE TRAILS.

SO ACTUALLY, BIG KUDOS TO GRANT AND HIS TEAM FOR THE TRAILS BECAUSE I KNOW FRAME LAKE TRAIL WAS ALWAYS LOOKING GOOD . SEEING NOTHING FURTHER ON PARKS LIBRARY PAGE 62.

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IS IT POSSIBLE JUST TO GET A LITERAL BREAKDOWN OF THESE COSTS ARE JUST SORT OF CONSIDERING THE LOCATION OF THE CURRENT LIBRARY? ARE WE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY, CONDO FEES AND MAINTAINING THE BUILDING? JUST STARTING TO GET AN IDEA OF THIS AS WE THINK AHEAD TO INCH MEMORIAL POOL AND IN THE COMING YEARS.

YEAH. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THAT FOR SURE.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

YES, WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON WHAT IT COSTS TO BE A MEMBER OF NOT ONE, BUT TWO CONDO CORPS.

WE STRADDLE BOTH, WHICH IS SUPER BIZARRE FOR US.

BUT WE BOUGHT IN AS ONE OF THE ANCHOR TENANTS WHEN THE BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED AND THE LIBRARY HAS BEEN THERE EVER SINCE.

SO THERE IS SOME INTERESTING DYNAMICS WHEN IT COMES TO OUR WORK TO BE ABLE TO.

I'M BUYING TIME HERE FOR MR. WHITE, WHO IS LOOKING FOR THOSE FIGURES THAT.

OK BACK IN 1989, IT WAS ALL RIGHT.

THERE'S NO RUSH. WE COULD.

I COULD. THIS IS JUST SORT OF AS PART OF A LONGER THINKING PROCESS.

SO DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO KNOW.

BUT IT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT. AND I THINK BETWEEN MISS WOODWARD AND MR. WHITE, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IT.

THE REALLY IMPORTANT POINT AND IF THERE WAS EVER TO BE A TIME WHEN THE LIBRARY WAS TO RELOCATE FROM WHERE IT CURRENTLY IS, CERTAINLY AS PART OF OUR ASSET MANAGEMENT OVERSIGHT, WE WOULD DEFINITELY LOOK AT I DON'T THINK WE WOULD WANT TO EXPAND UPON THE AMOUNT OF FACILITY SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WE HAVE WITHOUT GETTING RID OF SOMETHING, AND THAT MIGHT BE THAT SPACE IN THE MALL.

VERY EARLY DAYS TO SAY THAT.

BUT I THINK NOW I CAN SEE IF MR. WHITE HAS THIS.

OK. MR. WHITE? THANK YOU, MS. BASSI-KELLETT AND TECHNOLOGIES LET ME DOWN.

HOWEVER, I DO HAVE A BREAKDOWN OF THE PERCENTAGES JUST AS SOON AS I GET RID OF THAT.

THE CONDOMINIUM FEES THAT WE PAY TO CONDO NINE, CONDO 16 ARE ABOUT 82% OF OUR OVERALL COST TO THE TO THE LIBRARY OPERATIONS.

THE REMAINING ARE BROKEN DOWN INTO OUR COLLECTION MAINTENANCE, JANITORIAL REPAIRS AND THAT SORT OF THING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

SEEING NOTHING FURTHER, THE POOL PAGE 63.

SEEING NONE.

NEXT, WE HAVE RECREATION.

PAGE 64.

SEEING NONE WILDCAT PAGE 65.

COUNCILLOR WARBURTON? THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. YEAH.

SAME QUESTION I HAD BEFORE.

IS THERE A REASON THAT IT'S NOT AT LEAST IN USE TO YEAR ROUND VERSUS SEASONAL, WHICH WE CURRENTLY DO? MS. BASSI-KELLETT? I WILL ASK MR. WHITE IF YOU CAN RESPOND TO THAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF A HISTORY BACK WHEN.

SORRY, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT YEAR IT WAS WHEN WE BUILT REBUILT THE WILDCAT.

WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WINTERIZE IT, DO CERTAIN THINGS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO OPERATE YEAR ROUND.

AND THE DECISION AT THE TIME WAS TO NOT DO THAT.

SO BASICALLY OUR WATER SYSTEM IS EXTERNAL TO THE BUILDING, SO WE ARE RELIANT ON WARM WEATHER TO NOT FREEZE UP OUR OUR WATER TANK.

AND THEN AGAIN THE THE VESTIBULE OR THE LACK OF VESTIBULE AT THE FRONT OF IT IS NOT VERY CONDUCIVE TO WINTER WEATHER.

AND THEN WITH THE ADDITION OF THE WITH THE DECK, WHEN WE DID OUR RENOVATIONS, THE DECK HAS BECOME INTEGRAL TO THE TO THE OPERATIONS OF THE BUILDING IN TERMS OF GETTING ENOUGH PATRONS IN AND MAKING IT A WORTHWHILE RESTAURANTEUR OR FOR A RESTAURATEUR.

AND OF COURSE, THAT'S NOT AVAILABLE IN THE IN THE WINTER MONTHS AS WELL.

SO BASICALLY, IT IS NOT SUITED FOR WINTER WEATHER.

THANK YOU. SEEING NOTHING FURTHER.

OK. SORRY.

COUNCILLOR MCGURK? COULD WE? I GUESS WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO.

IS THERE A REASON WHY WE DON'T DO OTHER THINGS, I GUESS, OTHER THAN THE RESTAURANT? COULD WE? COULD SOMEBODY SET UP A SHOP OVER THE WINTER? I GUESS IS THE QUESTION.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT? THANKS VERY MUCH. I THINK THE WATER USAGE IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE OUR CONSTANT ISSUE AROUND THAT, LET ALONE, I THINK ARE SINGLE GLAZED WINDOWS.

AND I THINK THAT I DON'T THINK THERE'S MUCH OF AN R FACTOR IN THE LOGS, BUT I'LL ASK MR.

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YEAH, I GUESS JUST TO REITERATE MY PREVIOUS COMMENTS IS THAT IT'S NOT SET UP FOR FOR WINTER ACTIVITIES.

THE WASHROOMS WOULD NOT BE AVAILABLE, THE KITCHEN WOULD NOT BE AVAILABLE.

AND OF COURSE, WITH PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUES, IT JUST WOULDN'T BE A FEASIBLE OPERATION.

DEPUTY MAYOR ARDEN-SMITH.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I KNOW, RIGHT? YOU'RE JUST TAKES A WHILE.

I JUST WANTED TO GET CLARIFICATION ON WHAT THE INCREASE IS FOR FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET IN COMPARISON TO LAST YEAR.

WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THE WILDCAT MS. BASSI-KELLETT? MR. WHITE? THANK YOU. YOU'LL SEE THAT IT'S A ONE YEAR BUMP, AND THAT IS TO DO SOME WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE CARRIED ON THE COOLERS.

SOME MECHANICAL WORK.

THANK YOU.

SEEING NOTHING FURTHER.

PAGE 66 CITY HALL.

FEELS LIKE BUDGET CUTS.

NO HEAT AROUND HERE.

SEEING NOTHING FURTHER, THAT FINISHES COMMUNITY SERVICES MOVING ON TO PUBLIC SAFETY, STARTING WITH THE PART OF ME STAFFING SUMMARY ON PAGE 68 QUESTIONS DISCUSSION COUNCILLOR FEQUET? THANKS, MADAM CHAIR.

YEAH, I GUESS I'D LIKE TO PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.

CONSIDERING THE ONGOING CONVERSATIONS AND NEGOTIATIONS AROUND THE 911 AND THE CITIES DISPATCH ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES.

I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT.

THE TWO DISPATCH POSITIONS ARE DEFERRED TO THE BUDGET 2024.

OR, OF COURSE, AT SOME POINT AFTER THIS COUNCIL MAKES A DECISION ON THAT ARRANGEMENT.

THANK YOU. TO HAVE A SECONDER TO DEFER TO 2024.

COUNCILLOR WARBURTON, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COUNCILLOR FEQUET? AND YEAH, JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT, OBVIOUSLY WE ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT ALL OF OUR FOLKS ON THE FRONT LINES, ESPECIALLY IN DISPATCH AND ALL OF THOSE SURROUNDING SERVICES.

SO JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THIS IS DUE TO TIMING REALLY.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MAKE THE BEST DECISION WITH THE 901 AND THE CITY DISPATCH.

ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES.

AND SO AFTER WE'VE MADE THOSE DECISIONS.

OF COURSE, IF THE IF THE CITY NEEDS NEEDS MORE DISPATCH STAFF WILL CONSIDER THAT AT THAT TIME.

THANK YOU. SEEING NOTHING FURTHER TO THE MOTION OF DEFERRING THE TWO EMERGENCY DISPATCHERS TO 2024. COUNCILLOR COCHRANE IS IN FAVOR.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AND THAT CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

ANYTHING FURTHER ON THE STAFFING SUMMARY? SEEING NONE.

NEXT, WE HAVE A PUBLIC SAFETY DIRECTORATE, PAGE 70.

SEEING NOTHING.

NEXT, WE HAVE THE FIRE BUDGET, PAGE 72.

COUNCILLOR FEQUET? SURE. I'D LIKE TO PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR THAT THE $100,000 TOWARDS THE WILDLAND FIRE MITIGATION BE CUT FROM THE 2023 BUDGET.

THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A SECONDER? COUNCILLOR DEPUTY MAYOR ARDEN-SMITH.

YEAH. JUST TO NOTE FOR FOLKS THAT IN SEPTEMBER THROUGH THE END OF THE ASSOCIATION OF COMMUNITIES.

ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES WITH TREES ARE RECEIVING WILDLAND FIRE PROTECTION.

SO IT'S $20 MILLION.

AND SO WE'RE ABLE TO DO THE THE FIRE PROTECTION, THE WILDLAND FIRE MITIGATION IN EIGHT YEARS AS OPPOSED TO 80 YEARS.

SO THERE'S ALTHOUGH THE FUNDING MAY NOT BE IN PLACE FOR 2023, IT WILL BE COMING FOR 2024 AND FUTURE YEARS.

SO IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE SUFFICIENT TO DO ALL THE FIREBREAKS IN THE NORTHWEST TERRITORIES.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? COUNCILLOR MCGURK? I GUESS I JUST IMAGINE THAT THE CITY STAFF HAS ASSESSED THE RISK.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE RISK MIGHT BE TO CUTTING THIS FOR SURE.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION ON THIS, BECAUSE YES, THERE IS.

WE'RE QUITE PLEASED TO BE PART OF THE OVERALL GNWTAC APPLICATION THAT WENT IN.

WE WERE HAPPY TO PROVIDE SOME GUIDANCE, CERTAINLY FROM A DRAFT PERSPECTIVE THAT WE'VE CERTAINLY BEEN THROUGH THE PROCESS.

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I'LL ASK MR. MCLENNAN IF HE COULD SPEAK TO THIS.

THANK YOU, MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

AS COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS, YELLOWKNIFE IS SITUATED ON A BOREAL FOREST WITH A WILDLAND URBAN INTERFACE AROUND OUR COMMUNITY.

YELLOWKNIFE HAS SEVERAL NATURAL AND MANMADE FEATURES THAT MITIGATE THE SEVERITY AND THE IMPACT TO SOME DEGREE SHOULD A WILDFIRE ENCROACH ON OUR COMMUNITY.

THESE FEATURES MEAN THAT THERE'S NOT A CONTINUOUS FOREST FLOOR AROUND THE CITY, WHICH CAN CREATE MORE INTENSE, VOLATILE AND UNMANAGEABLE FIRES.

WE DO HAVE FAVORABLE PREVAILING WINDS DURING THE WILDFIRE SEASONS, WHICH ARE IN OUR FAVOR.

THAT REDUCES, I GUESS, THE THREAT TO SOME DEGREE.

SO ALTHOUGH THESE FACTORS DO OFFER SOME ASSURANCE.

WILDFIRES ARE DANGEROUS, THEY'RE DIFFICULT TO SUPPRESS, AND THEY CAN BE GENERATED IN ANY AREA AROUND THE CITY UNDER SOME EXTREME FIRE CONDITIONS. OUR COMMUNITY WILDFIRE PLAN WAS.

WILDFIRE PROTECTION PLAN WAS FIRST DEVELOPED IN 2012 AND THEN UPDATED AGAIN IN 2019.

IT DOES IDENTIFY SOME HIGH PRIORITY, HIGH RISK AREAS.

WE'VE TAKEN ACTION OVER 2019 TO STRATEGICALLY FIRE SMART FIVE OF THESE AREAS, MORE OR LESS THE PERIPHERY AROUND MAGRAM FINLAYSON DRIVE, FINLAYSON DRIVE, NORTH PARKER PARK AREA.

THERE'S STILL SOME EXTREME RISK AREAS ON THE CAM LAKE UNHEALTHILY ENTERPRISE DRIVE SECTION AS WELL AS DOWN INTO OUR GRAYSLAKE EXTENSION THAT ARE BEING PRIORITIZED TO BE COMPLETED. I GUESS ADMINISTRATION WOULD RECOMMEND NOT TAKING A TWO YEAR RECESS FROM THIS WORK WOULD NOT BE ADVISABLE.

IT DOES OPEN US UP.

FIRE BURNING IS THE MAJOR PROTECTION INITIATIVE THAT WE HAVE FOR WILDFIRE IN OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PLAN AND EVEN A TWO YEAR RECESS OF CONSIDERABLE NUMBER OF HECTARES COULD LEAVE US VULNERABLE.

THANK YOU. IN TERMS OF THE HIGH RISK AREAS THAT ARE STILL LEFT ON THE DOCKET.

IS THIS COVERING WOULD THIS AMOUNT COVER ALL OF THEM OR IS IT ARE SOME MISSING OR WHAT IS THE MAKE UP OF IT? MS. BASSI-KELLETT? MR. MCLENNAN? YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

SO RIGHT NOW, APPROXIMATELY, WE'RE DOING ANYWHERE FROM ONE HECTARE TO TWO HECTARE BASED ON CONTRACTOR CAPACITY PER YEAR.

IN 2020 WE WERE ABLE TO GET IN 2021 WE WERE ABLE TO INCREASE THAT UP AS HIGH AS 12 HECTARES.

THE PROJECTED AREA IN IN IDENTIFIED DOWN BY TIMOTHY LEE ENTERPRISE DOWN INTO GRACE LAKE AREA IS APPROXIMATELY 10 TO 12 HECTARES.

SO WITH TWO YEARS OF FIRE SMARTING FUNDING THROUGH THE O&M AS CONTEMPLATED IN THE BUDGET, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO MITIGATE THOSE AREAS TO A REASONABLE LEVEL.

SO IS IT REASONABLE TO SAY THAT THE THE PORTION OF THE CITY THAT IS AT RISK IS PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL? MS. BASSI-KELLETT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I THINK WHAT I WANT TO HAND THIS OVER TO MR. MCLENNAN, BUT I THINK A KEY PART OF WHAT HE SAID IS THAT WE HAVE RISK AROUND THE CITY AND IT COULD A WILDFIRE COULD HAPPEN ANYWHERE.

IT COULD HAPPEN ON BACK BAY.

IT COULD HAPPEN IN DIFFERENT AREAS ON TIN CAN HILL, DIFFERENT PARTS OF OUR COMMUNITY.

SO THE TARGET, OF COURSE, IS WHERE WE THINK THERE'S VULNERABILITY, WHERE FIRE COULD COME FROM THE SOUTHWEST AND COME UP IN THAT AREA.

SO I WILL ASK HIM IF HE COULD ELABORATE ON IF THAT AREA IS PURELY RESIDENTIAL.

I KNOW IT IS OUR CAM LAKE AREA.

IT'S GRACE LAKE, SO COMBINATIONS THEREOF, BUT HE CAN SPEAK IN BETTER DETAIL.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

THE KAM LAKE AREA AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, IS A MIXED BUSINESS, MIXED COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL AREA.

ORIGINALLY, CAM LAKE WAS DESIGNED AS MORE OF A COMMERCIAL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL WITH CARETAKER SUITES.

THAT HAS SINCE MORPHED INTO A HIGH NUMBER OF RESIDENCES WITH LARGER HOMES, MORE HOMES IN THE AREA, AND AS WE KNOW, THE THE

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YOU KNOW, THE CLIMATE'S CHANGING.

THE NORTH IS WARMING FOUR DEGREES FASTER THAN THE REST OF THE WORLD, AND THE BOREAL FOREST IS BECOMING DRIER AND MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO THESE WILDFIRE EVENTS. WE HAD A SEVERE INCIDENT IN BEHIND RIVER CRESCENT ALONG [INAUDIBLE] LAKE THIS YEAR, AND FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT WERE HERE THIS SUMMER AND SEEING THE GIANT PLUME JUST ACROSS THE LAKE AT WHITEBEACH POINT, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT THE NORTH [INAUDIBLE] IS GOING TO BE DEALING WITH CONTINUOUSLY.

THE PERIMETER AROUND YELLOWKNIFE HAS HAD A NUMBER OF FIRES AND HAS POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, USED UP SOME OF THAT WILDLAND FUELS IN THE AREA WHERE THE AREAS AROUND YELLOWKNIFE ITSELF STILL REMAIN KIND OF PRISTINE FOR FIRE BEHAVIOR.

THANK YOU. THANKS.

THAT'S ALL FOR ME. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILLOR WARBURTON. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

JUST LOOKING AT THE FIRE BUDGET HERE, KIND OF QUESTION ON OPERATIONS.

WHAT'S WHAT ARE WE ON TRACK FOR CALL VOLUMES THIS YEAR FOR FIRE AND AMBULANCE OUT OF THAT STATION? SO JUST BEFORE WE GET ON TO THAT, WE'LL DO THE WRAPPING UP THE MOTION ON THE WILDLAND FIRE.

SO IF THERE'S ANY FURTHER ON THE WILDLAND FIRE FOR MYSELF, I AM STILL IN SUPPORT OF IT.

JUST TRYING TO PULL UP.

WE ACTUALLY HAVEN'T BEEN FIRE SMARTING YELLOWKNIFE FOR THAT MANY YEARS.

I THINK IT STARTED IN 2016 OR SO, AND IT'S ONE OF THOSE ONGOING PROJECTS THAT WE'VE BEEN CHIPPING AWAY A LITTLE BIT BY A LITTLE BIT. WE'RE ABOUT TO COME INTO A LOT OF MONEY TO REALLY GET TO TACKLE THE PROJECT.

SO, YES, THERE IS A RISK OF NOT DOING WORK FOR ONE YEAR.

HOWEVER, WE'RE ABOUT TO GREATLY IMPACT AND TACKLE THAT WORKLOAD.

AT THE SAME TIME, OUR BIGGEST RISK IS FROM PEOPLE HAVING BUSHFIRES ON FRAME LAKE, AND IT'S HARD TO FIRE SMART OUR ACTUAL THREATS IN THE CITY, NOT TO MINIMIZE IT.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WORK AND I DO LOOK FORWARD TO THE BIG GRANT THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO GET TO DO THE BULK OF THIS WORK.

SO I AM IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION.

SO TO THE MOTION OF REMOVING 100,000 TOWARDS THE WILDLAND FIRE MITIGATION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

OPPOSED? AND THAT CARRIES WITH COUNCILLOR MCGURK OPPOSED.

COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.

THANK YOU. YEAH.

BACK TO MY QUESTION THERE IN ORDER THE CALL VOLUMES THAT WE'RE HAVING CURRENTLY ON PACE FOR FOR THE YEAR.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE'VE BEEN ON AN UPWARD TREND.

I'LL LET MR. MACLEAN SPEAK TO THIS.

THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. WE'RE PROJECTED TO HAVE ABOUT 5900 CALLS.

THAT'S BOTH FIRE, EMS AND RESCUE CALLS FOR 2022.

THANKS. SO WHEN WE HAD THE SAFE RIDE PROGRAM COME ON, ARE WE COLLECTING ANY INFO AS TO HOW THAT AFFECTS CALL VOLUME OR AT ALL, I GUESS ? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THAT'S A REALLY GREAT QUESTION BECAUSE WE HAD ALL KINDS OF GREAT OPTIMISM THAT HAVING THE SAFE RIDE PROGRAM WOULD REDUCE THE NUMBER OF CALLS FOR EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICE, AND WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS THAT ISN'T HAPPENING.

WE'RE FINDING THAT WHERE THERE IS STILL REASON TO BELIEVE THAT SOMEONE MAY BE ARE THEY PASSED OUT? ARE THEY UNCONSCIOUS? IT'S A FINE LINE. SO ALWAYS PEOPLE WILL END UP CALLING THE AMBULANCE.

IT'S QUITE OFTEN WE SEE THAT THAT KIND OF INTERFACE, SAFE RIDE ENDS UP PROVIDING A DIFFERENT KIND OF A SERVICE, WHILE THERE STILL REMAINS TO BE THE DEMAND FOR EMERGENCY MEDICAL. I WILL ASK MR. MACLEAN IF HE COULD SPEAK TO THAT, HISTORICALLY, WITH SOME OF OUR NUMBERS FROM PREVIOUS YEARS AS WELL.

THANK YOU. YEAH, THANKS FOR THE QUESTION.

WE DO RELY ON SAFE RIDE AS AN ALTERNATE SERVICE PROVIDER AS OPPOSED TO TRANSPORTING A PERSON THAT MAY NOT NEED MEDICAL CARE TO THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT AND OR MAY NOT WANT OR REQUIRE ASSISTANCE.

IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE HAVE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT AND A SAFE PLACE TO GO TO.

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WE COLLABORATE WITH THEM, AND THAT DATA IS AVAILABLE.

I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I CAN EASILY OBTAIN IT FOR YOU IF YOU'RE INTERESTED.

THANK YOU. LAST ONE.

SO OUT OF ALL THE CALLS THAT WE'RE GETTING, HOW MANY OF THESE ARE NON-MEDICAL CALLS, I GUESS? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. MR. MACCLAIN, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

GREAT QUESTION. THEY'RE ALL MEDICAL CALLS AS WE RECEIVE THEM.

UNTIL OUR STAFF ARRIVE ON SCENE, DO A PRIMARY ASSESSMENT AND DETERMINE THAT EITHER IT'S NOT A MEDICAL CALL BECAUSE THE PERSON ISN'T PRESENTING TO THE PRACTITIONER AS NEEDING ASSISTANCE. SO APPROXIMATELY 50% OF OUR EMS RESPONSES RESULT IN WHAT WE WOULD CALL A NO TRANSPORT, I.E.

WE ARRIVE AND NO ONE'S DECLARING THAT THEY REQUIRE ASSISTANCE.

OR ALTERNATELY, WE ARRIVE ON SCENE AND A CALL FOR ASSISTANCE FOR THE INDIVIDUAL.

NO INDIVIDUAL IS RECOGNIZED OR FOUND ON SCENE.

THANK YOU. AWESOME, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR FEQUET.

THANKS, MADAM CHAIR. YEAH, AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE--THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR SCOURING THIS DRAFT BUDGET SO MUCH TO LOOK FOR EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO REDUCE EXPENSES AND TO INCREASE REVENUES, AND SO THE MOTION I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE RIGHT NOW IS THAT THE MEDICAL RESPONSE FEE BE INCREASED BY 15% ON JANUARY 1ST, 2023, AND THAT IN 2023 ADMINISTRATION REVIEW THE MEDICAL RESPONSE FEES COMPARED TO OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND CURRENT COSTS AND BRING FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION FOR 2024.

SO THAT'S THE MOTION, THE RATIONALE.

SECONDER? SECOND BY COUNCILLOR PAYNE.

COUNCILLOR FEQUET. THANK YOU, THE RATIONALE IS JUST I RECOGNIZE OUR FEES OR UNDERSTAND THEM TO BE ABOUT 225 BUCKS A TRIP AND IT'S MUCH, MUCH LOWER THAN MANY OTHER JURISDICTIONS. SO MY TWO QUESTIONS FOR ADMINISTRATION, JUST TO START THE DISCUSSION, IS WHEN IS THE LAST TIME OUR FEES WERE CHANGED? AND SECOND, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT SENIORS GET COVERED FOR FREE AND INDIGENOUS RESIDENTS ARE ALSO COVERED.

HOW MANY OF THE TRIPS USED BY OUR MEDICAL EMS SERVICES ARE LOW INCOME OR VULNERABLE FAMILIES WHO MIGHT HAVE TO ACTUALLY PAY OUT OF POCKET FOR THOSE TRIPS? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANKS VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTIONING ON THIS, AND WE THINK IT'S VERY INTERESTING IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT OUR OPPORTUNITIES TO RAISE FEES.

WE RAISED OUR FEES FOR MEDICAL TRANSPORT, NON-EMERGENCY MEDICAL TRANSPORT, WHICH IS BASICALLY A MEDEVAC COMES INTO THE AIRPORT AND THE PATIENT NEEDS TO BE TRANSFERRED TO STANTON OR ANOTHER MEDICAL SERVICE SO THAT THOSE FEES WE RAISED OVER 2018, '19 AND '20, BUT OUR EMERGENCY AMBULANCE FEES WE HAVEN'T RAISED IN A WHILE.

I'M GOING TO LOOK TO MR. MACLEAN OR MS. WOODWARD ON THAT ONE.

IN TERMS OF KNOWING WHO OUR CLIENTS ARE AND ARE THEY LOW INCOME? DO THEY HAVE PRIVATE INSURANCE? ARE THEY WORKING OR ARE THEY GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES? WE DON'T TYPICALLY COLLECT THAT.

WHAT WE ARE ABLE TO COLLECT IS WE KNOW WHEN PATIENTS ARE COVERED UNDER NON INSURED HEALTH BENEFITS.

WE KNOW WHEN PATIENTS ARE COVERED UNDER GOVERNMENT INSURANCE.

I'LL ASK MR. MACLEAN IF HE COULD ELABORATE ON THIS.

HE'S OUR KNOWLEDGE HOLDER ON THIS ONE.

THANKS FOR THE QUESTION. 2019 WAS THE LAST TIME THAT A FEE INCREASE, PARTICULARLY FOR OUR NON-EMERGENT GROUND TRANSPORT OR WHAT IS REFERRED TO AS OUR MEDICAL OR MEDEVAC ASSISTANCE.

OUR SPECIFIC EMS FEES OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I BELIEVE WAS 2009 OR 2012.

THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT INCREASING THEM AT ONE TIME WITH COMPARATORS IN THE TERRITORY.

THE PREMISE AT THAT TIME WAS NOT TO PUT COST OF BURDEN ON PEOPLE HAVING AN EMERGENCY, SO THAT DIDN'T GO FORWARD.

A BREAKDOWN ON SPECIFIC INSURED VERSUS NON INSURED.

WE COULD DO SOME DATA MINING IN OUR DATABASE TO SEE IF WE COULD BRING SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS FORWARD.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY THAT WE TRACK BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY NO BENEFIT TO US TRACKING THAT, BUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, WE COULD DO SOME DATA MINING IN IT.

THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR FEQUET.

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SO THE CURRENT FEE IS 225.

A 15% INCREASE WOULD BE ABOUT 34 BUCKS.

SO WE'RE TALKING 225 UP TO 259, AND UNDERSTANDING THERE'S ABOUT 2 MILLION BUCKS OF REVENUE IN THE BUDGET.

WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REALLY IS ABOUT A 300,000 INCREASE IN REVENUE.

SO THAT'S ALMOST A POINT OFF THE PROPOSED TAX INCREASE.

SO JUST TO PROVIDE THAT.

THANK YOU.

TO THE MOTION. COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN DID YOU WANT TO OR YOU HAD A QUESTION THAT WAS OUTSIDE THAT? OKAY, COUNCILLOR PAYNE.

I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION TO IN THOUGHTS OF THIS.

WHAT ARE OUR SERVICE LEVEL STANDARDS FOR THE AMBULANCE SERVICES? LIKE ARE WE SENDING OUT ONE AMBULANCE OR ARE WE SENDING OUT TO LIKE WHAT ARE WE DOING? PROBABLY WOULD DEPEND ON THE SITUATION, BUT MS. BASSI-KELLETT. ABSOLUTELY, MR. MACLEAN. YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

SO OUR RESPONSE STANDARD IS LIKE WAS IDENTIFIED.

IT DEPENDS ON THE CRITICALITY OF THE SITUATION THAT COMES FROM THE DISPATCH INFORMATION THAT'S PROVIDED TO OUR RESPONDERS.

A STANDARD RESPONSE IS A TWO PERSON TEAM AND ONE AMBULANCE BASED ON THE CRITICALITY OF THE CALL, WHETHER THERE'S LIFE THREATENING PRESENTATION FROM A POTENTIAL PATIENT.

THAT COULD BE UP TO ANYWHERES FROM THREE RESPONDERS IN ONE AMBULANCE TO EVERYTHING UP TO A CARDIAC OR TRAUMATIC ARREST.

SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY THREE RESPONDERS AN INITIAL UNIT AND THEN ADDITIONAL RESOURCES COMING IN.

THERE'S DIFFERENT MEDICAL INTERVENTIONS THAT ARE PRACTITIONERS WOULD TAKE THAT WOULD REQUIRE MORE PERSONNEL ON SCENE TO SUPPORT.

SO DO WE CHARGE MORE OUT IF WE HAVE TO SEND MORE EQUIPMENT? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

MR. MACLEAN, THANK YOU.

THE BASE RATE IS A BASE RATE.

WE DO CHARGE A SUPPLEMENTAL FEE FOR MEDICAL SUPPLIES USED.

SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT BASE RATES FOR MEDICAL SUPPLIES FOR A HIGHER CRITICAL PATIENT WOULD CONSTITUTE A HIGHER MEDICAL SUPPLY FEE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.

DO WE HAVE ANY NUMBERS FOR WHAT A COMPARISON FEE WOULD BE ELSEWHERE IN THE TERRITORY OR IN A SIMILAR SIZED COMMUNITY? I TOOK A LOOK AT ALBERTA'S $385 PATIENT PLUS $200 IF YOU'RE A NON RESIDENT OF ALBERTA, REGINA'S $325 PER RESIDENT OR 369 RESIDENTS.

BC'S $80 FOR RESIDENT OR $848 IF YOU'RE A NON-RESIDENT, SO DON'T CALL AN AMBULANCE IN BC.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT, ANYTHING FURTHER FROM ADMIN? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YES, MR. MACCLEAN? THANK YOU. THE NUMBERS I HAVE HERE FROM 2021 [INAUDIBLE].

RESIDENT 500.

NONRESIDENTS 700.

THAT'S WITHIN THEIR MUNICIPAL LIMITS.

THAT'S NOT GOING OUT ON THE HIGHWAY.

TOWN OF INUVIK 610 TOWN OF FORT SMITH RESIDENT 299 RESIDENT 440.

WE'RE AT 225 FOR YELLOWKNIFE RESIDENTS, 350 FOR NWT RESIDENTS AND 400 FOR OUT OF TOWN RESIDENTS.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? FOR MYSELF, I AM IN SUPPORT OF PARTICULARLY THE WELL, THE FIRST PART OF THE MOTION, OF COURSE, BUT ALSO THE SECOND PART, BECAUSE AS THE FIGURES WERE JUST STATED, WE ARE PRETTY LOW, AND THIS IS A SERVICE THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IS USER CHARGED, BUT ALSO THERE IS A PORTION OF TAXES.

IT'S NOT LIKE A FULL COST RECOVERY, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE TRY TO KEEP PACE TO.

2009 WAS THE LAST TIME, AND SINCE THEN THERE'S BEEN QUITE THE COST INCREASE, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE DO HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN COVER THE COSTS.

SO I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THE MOTION AS PRESENTED.

ANYTHING FURTHER? TO THE MOTION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AND TO NOTE COUNCILLOR COCHRAN'S IN FAVOR.

COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? COMMENT? NO. OKAY. ANYTHING FURTHER ON THE FIRE BUDGETS? YES. OKAY.

JUST CURIOUS ABOUT SO WITH THE FIRE HALL EXPANSION, JUST LOOKING AT UTILITIES LIKE FUEL POWER MAINTENANCE.

IT LOOKS LIKE THE THE COSTS LOOK ABOUT THE SAME FOR 24 AND 25.

ARE WE EXPECTING THESE TO GO UP IN 26 WITH THE NEW EXPANSION?

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THE MECHANICAL AND HVAC DESIGN HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETED.

PRELIMINARY DESIGN HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETED, WHICH IS WHY YOU'D SEE THOSE STATIC NUMBERS EXISTING.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID CONTEMPLATE IN DESIGN FEATURES IS GREEN INITIATIVES AND COST SAVING FEATURES IN THE FACILITY.

RIGHT NOW, OUR CURRENT FIRE HALL IS SUPPLEMENTED BY THE BIOMASS UNIT AT THE FIELD HOUSE.

WE ACTUALLY SHUT DOWN ONE OF OUR BOILERS AT THE AT THE FIRE HALL AND MORE OR LESS HALFED OUR USE OF DIESEL FUEL OR FUEL OIL TO SUPPLY THAT.

SO WE ANTICIPATE THAT EVEN WITH THE MINIMAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OR SQUARE METERS THAT WE'RE ADDING TO IT, THAT OUR FUEL COSTS SHOULD STAY ABOUT STATIC FOR IT.

BUT WE'LL HAVE BETTER INFORMATION ONCE THOSE FINAL DESIGN SPECS COME IN.

THANK YOU. AWESOME, THAT'S GREAT TO HEAR WE'RE THINKING ABOUT SORT OF SUSTAINABLE MEANS AS WE DO WORK.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR PAYNE. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

SPEAKING OF THE FIRE HALL EXPANSION AND MAYBE I MISSED IT, BUT WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED OUR SERVICE LEVEL STANDARDS YET ABOUT WHAT OUR ACTUAL NEEDS ARE FOR THIS FIRE DEPARTMENT, RIGHT? HAVE WE GOT ANY SERVICE LEVEL STANDARDS YET? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

SO WE HAVE A FIRE DEPARTMENT LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT CAME FORWARD IN...

OH, BROTHER, IT'S ALL A BLUR WITH COVID.

I THINK IT WAS 2019 WHERE AT THE TIME THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE WAS SORT OF THE THE FLAGSHIP PAPER THAT WE HAD WORKED ON AROUND LEVELS OF SERVICE AT THE TIME, AND IDENTIFIED AS ONE OF THE KEY DECISIONS THAT WAS MADE AROUND OUR SERVICE LEVELS WAS THAT WE WOULD NOT BE PROVIDING FIRE PROTECTION OUTSIDE OF THE MUNICIPAL BOUNDARY, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF PROVIDING THAT SUPPORT TO DATA, WE WOULD NO LONGER BE GOING TO FIGHT FIRES ON THE INGRAM TRAIL OR ON OTHER AREAS OUTSIDE OF THE MUNICIPALITY.

A LOT OF THAT WAS BASED ON THE REALITY THAT BY THE TIME WE GET THERE, PRETTY MUCH THE BUILDINGS ARE BURNT, THEY'RE GONE.

BUT WE OF COURSE CONTINUE TO PROVIDE AMBULANCE AND EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICE ON THE HIGHWAYS OUTSIDE OF YELLOWKNIFE.

SO THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, IS QUITE A HIGH LEVEL OF SERVICE.

THERE ARE MANY MOVING PIECES TO THIS, AND WE CERTAINLY DO SEE THAT IN DEVELOPING A STANDARD OF COVER.

IS THE NEXT PART OF THIS THAT WE'LL BE DOING SOME WORK ON THAT GETS A LITTLE BIT MORE GRANULAR IN TERMS OF THE KIND OF SERVICE LEVEL THAT WE PROVIDE.

MR. MACLEAN I JUST WANT TO SEE IF YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT.

YEAH, THANK YOU. SO COUNCIL DID ENACT A FIRE DIVISION LEVEL OF SERVICE.

IT CAME INTO EFFECT APRIL 1ST, 2021.

AS FOR STANDARDS FOR THE FIRE HALL, WE HAD A FIRE HALL STUDY DONE IN 2020 WHICH IDENTIFIED THE KEY PROGRAM AREAS THAT WE NEEDED TO IMPROVE ON.

AS PART OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, THREE OPTIONS WERE ALSO PROVIDED A STANDALONE STATION, AN ADDITIONAL ONE TO WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE. THE CURRENT SUGGESTION THAT WE'RE GOING WITH, WHICH IS A SMALL EXPANSION AND A RENOVATION AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO A PROJECTED BUDGET COST CAME ALONG WITH THAT.

THANK YOU. SO YEAH, I MEAN, A SMALL EXPANSION, WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT $7 MILLION OVER A TWO YEAR PERIOD.

SO WHAT WAS THE COST THAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD TO HAVE LIKE A SATELLITE SMALL STATION IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA OR WHEREVER? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

SO AT THE TIME, THE FIRE HALL STUDY HAD LOOKED AT THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND WE COULD BRING THE PAPER AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S--THE LINK TO IT, I BELIEVE IT'S ON OUR WEBSITE THAT WE COULD BRING THAT FORWARD.

IT HAD LOOKED AT EXPANDING OUR CURRENT FIRE HALL.

IT HAD LOOKED AT DEMOLISHING AND REBUILDING ON THE SITE, AND IT HAD LOOKED AT THE OPTION AS WELL OF BUILDING A SECOND FIRE HALL AT ANOTHER LOCATION IN THE COMMUNITY, MOST LIKELY IN THE NIVEN NEIGHBORHOOD, AND AT THE TIME, THE RECOMMENDATION, THE DECISION MADE TO EXPAND OUR EXISTING FIRE HALL WAS RECOGNIZING THAT WE NEEDED TO EXPAND ON SOME VERY PRACTICAL LEVELS.

WE KNOW THE EQUIPMENT AND APPARATUS BAYS ARE VERY SMALL RIGHT NOW AND NOT SERVING THE NEEDS.

THIS DOES NOT PRECLUDE THE FACT THAT IN TEN YEARS WE MAY NEED VERY MUCH, DEPENDING ON THE GROWTH OF THE CITY, TO LOOK AT A SECOND FIRE HALL IN ANOTHER LOCATION IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT THIS WAS SEEN AS THE OPTIMAL DECISION TO MAKE AT THE TIME BASED ON THOSE THREE OPTIONS, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY BRING THAT LINK BACK FOR

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THANK YOU, AND THE SUGGESTIONS CONTEMPLATED IN THAT FIRE HALL STUDY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S SUGGESTED THAT THE ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS OF THE THREE WAS THAT AN ADDITIONAL STATION BE BUILT, THAT STILL DOESN'T REMOVE THE NEED TO RENOVATE THAT EXISTING STATION THAT WE'RE DOING NOW.

IT HAS A 25 YEAR LIFESPAN IN OUR ASSET MANAGEMENT, WHICH COMES INTO FRUITION IN 2025.

IT DOES HAVE A REPLACEMENT VALUE IN THAT ASSOCIATED WITH IT, BUT EVEN THOUGH THE RECOMMENDATION, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WAS TO BUILD AN ADDITIONAL SATELLITE STATION, THERE STILL WOULD HAVE BEEN RENOVATION AND UPGRADING REQUIRED OF THE EXISTING STATION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR FEQUET.

THANKS, MADAM CHAIR, AND I APOLOGIZE IF IF ADMINISTRATION ALREADY ANSWERED THIS QUESTION IN THE Q&A, I COULDN'T FIND IT, BUT JUST LOOKING AT THE LIFE SAFETY AND PREVENTION BY ACTIVITY, JUST NOTICE IT'S DOUBLED FROM 327 IN THE '22 TWO BUDGET TO 705 IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, AND I WAS JUST HOPING YOU COULD ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT THOSE ANTICIPATED COST INCREASES ARE RELATED TO MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION, AND CERTAINLY WHEN WE LOOK AT EXPENDITURES BY ACTIVITY, IT'S REALLY LOOKING AT THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE SPEND WITHIN THAT DEPARTMENT ON ANY OF THOSE DIFFERENT ISSUES.

IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ON THE BUDGET PER SE, BUT IT IS LOOKING AT THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE DEDICATE TOWARDS THIS.

SO CLEARLY WE'RE PUTTING A LOT MORE WORK ON LIFE, SAFETY AND PREVENTION, AND I WILL ASK MR. MACLEAN IF HE COULD SPEAK TO THIS IN SOME DETAIL.

THE SYSTEM HAS DETECTED THAT A FEW LINES ARE STILL CONNECTED TO THE CONFERENCE AND WILL ATTEMPT TO DISCONNECT THEM.

IF YOU WISH TO REMAIN IN THE CONFERENCE, PLEASE PRESS STAR ONE.

TO THAT AMOUNT, PLEASE DIAL THE AREA CODE AND NUMBER THAT YOU WISH TO CONNECT TO THE CONFERENCE, FOLLOWED BY THE POUND SIGN.

PRESS STAR TO RETURN TO.

THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

SO PREVIOUS TO THIS YEAR, WE HAD ONE INDIVIDUAL AT A MANAGER LEVEL SUPPLYING FIRE PREVENTION AND PUBLIC EDUCATION TO THE COMMUNITY.

AS YOU MAY BE AWARE, IN 2022, AS OF OCTOBER 1ST, WE'VE RESTRUCTURED OUR FLOOR LEVEL STAFF AND ADDED ANOTHER POSITION AT THAT FLOOR LEVEL STAFF.

WHAT THAT ALLOWS US TO DO IS NOT ONLY ADD SOME CAPACITY AND OVERSIGHT TO SUPPORT OUR FLOOR LEVEL EMERGENCY RESPONSE CREWS, BUT THOSE INDIVIDUALS NOW HAVE THE CAPACITY TO TAKE ON PRE FIRE PLANNING, FIRE SOME FIRE INSPECTIONS, SOME PUBLIC EDUCATION COMPONENTS.

SO EVEN THOUGH WE LOST ONE INDIVIDUAL, WE'VE INCREASED 4X4 FOLD.

THE CAPACITY TO DELIVER OUR PUBLIC EDUCATION PREVENTION PROGRAMS TO THE COMMUNITY, WHICH GOES TO SHOW THE INCREASE IN THE ACTIVITY.

THANK YOU. ANYTHING FURTHER ON THE FIRE BUDGET? COUNCILLOR WARBURTON. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

I KNOW IT'S MORE IN THE IN THE CAPITAL PLAN AROUND ASSET MANAGEMENT AND PROCUREMENT OF EQUIPMENT, BUT THE WE'RE LOOKING AT I KNOW IT'S A BIG BUMP WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ASSET MANAGEMENT IN [INAUDIBLE] FOR FIRE TRUCK NEXT YEAR.

IS THERE A COORDINATION BETWEEN THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND.

PUBLIC WORKS AROUND BECAUSE WE KEEP HEARING YOU HAVE TO BUILD A STREET WIDER AND BIGGER IN RUNWAY LIKE BECAUSE TO FIT FIRE APPARATUS.

SO IS THERE ANY COORDINATION THERE TO TRY TO STOP DOING THAT? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. UM, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR THE OBSERVATION ON THIS, AND THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS THAT ARE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT BY BOTH PUBLIC WORKS AND PUBLIC SAFETY WHEN IT COMES TO PLANNING OUT SOME OF OUR ROADS. WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ARE VERY DELIBERATE IN TERMS OF CERTAIN ROADS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA ARE GOING TO BE WIDER THAN SOME STREETS THAT MAY BE DELIVERED OR DEVELOPED IN A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.

WE KNOW OLD TOWN STREETS AND SOME OF OUR UNIQUE NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE TRAIL'S END AND NORTHLANDS HAVE NARROWER STREETS AS WELL.

SO PART OF THESE THINGS ARE WHAT WE INHERIT IN OUR COMMUNITY.

PART OF THEM AS WELL ARE LOOKING AT IN THE DOWNTOWN WHEN WE DEVELOP ROADS, WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO ENABLE ON STREET PARKING IN SOME CASES AND OTHER WAYS OF BEING ABLE TO MEET THE NEEDS AND THE REQUIREMENTS THAT DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS AND DIFFERENT PARTS OF OUR COMMUNITY REQUIRE.

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I WOULDN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO ADD TO THAT.

DESIGN STANDARDS HAVE SEVERAL CROSS SECTIONS IN THE APPENDICES FOR TYPICAL ROAD SECTIONS.

I BELIEVE THERE ARE FOUR. THERE'S INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS AN OLDER, AN INDUSTRIAL WHICH WOULD BE A KAM LAKE VERSION, A COMMERCIAL WHICH WOULD BE AN OLD AIRPORT ROAD, FRANKLIN AVENUE CROSS SECTION.

THEN THERE'S RESIDENTIAL AND COLLECTOR STREETS.

SO THOSE ARE ALL EXPRESSLY DETAILED IN THE DESIGN STANDARDS AND THEY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT DIFFERENT ROAD ARRANGEMENTS DEPENDING ON THE AREA OF TOWN, AS MS. SHEILA BASSI-KELLETT SAID.

SO IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES, FOR EXAMPLE, OLD AIRPORT ROAD WOULD HAVE A MEDIAN IN SOME PLACES ALONG WITH SIDEWALK OR MULTI-USE PATH ON EACH SIDE, DOUBLE WIDE, NO PARKING.

CONVERSELY, YOU WOULD SEE SOMETHING IN KAM LAKE THAT WOULD HAVE NO SIDEWALK AND A SIMPLE CROSS SECTION DESIGN WITH THE SHOULDER.

SO THAT'S HOW ROADS ARE TYPICALLY DESIGNED.

WE DON'T ACTUALLY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE SIZE OF VARIOUS.

I GUESS, EMERGENCY APPARATUS BECAUSE THOSE CHANGE OVER TIME, AND WE AND ROAD STANDARDS AREN'T DESIGNED TO FIT SPECIFIC MODELS OF VEHICLES.

IN SAYING THAT HOW WE PROCURE VEHICLES IS REALLY DEPENDENT ON THE DEPARTMENT THAT'S REQUESTING IT AND THE SERVICE LEVELS THAT THEY REQUIRE T O SPEC THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.

MORE PLAIN LANGUAGE IS WE DON'T SPECIFY TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WHAT TO BUY.

THEY TELL US THE SPECS THAT THEY REQUIRE TO GET THEIR JOB DONE AND WE'RE JUST SIMPLY THE PURCHASING OR TENDERING DEPARTMENT FOR THAT SPECIFIC UNIT.

THANKS, AND AS FOR THE SPECIFICATIONS ON THE TRUCKS, WHEN WE DO LOOK AT OVERALL SPECS ON A VEHICLE, WE DO LOOK AT THINGS LIKE OVERALL HEIGHT, OVERALL WEIGHT, YOU KNOW, TURNING RADIUSES, YOU KNOW, AXLE CLEARANCES, THINGS LIKE THAT SLOPE GRADE.

ALL THOSE THINGS ARE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION BASED ON THE TRUCK ENGINEERS WHEN THEY DESIGN AND SPEC IT.

MOSTLY WHAT WE HAVE IS FOR OUR TRUCKS, THE BIGGEST FACTOR IS THE AVAILABILITY TO CARRY AND DELIVER WATER.

WATER IS THE PRIMARY FIREFIGHTING ENGINE THAT WE USE.

THE MORE THAT YOU HAVE ON SCENE QUICKLY AND RAPIDLY AT THE ONSET OF A FIRE, THE MORE SUCCESSFUL OF AN OUTCOME YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE.

WE ALSO HAVE A NUMBER OF BUILDING HAZARDS IN THE COMMUNITY IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY, WHETHER THAT'S IN THE OLDER PART OF OUR CITY, LATHAM ISLAND, OLD TOWN, KAM LAKE, WE HAVE DIFFERENT OCCUPANCIES FOR WHETHER IT'S RESIDENTIAL OR INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO WHAT WE TRY TO DO WHEN WE LOOK AT FIRE APPARATUS IS, NUMBER ONE, WE LOOK AT THE HAZARDS OVERALL FROM A COMMUNITY PERSPECTIVE.

WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO BUILD A DIFFERENT TRUCK FOR EVERY DIFFERENT HAZARD.

SO WE LOOK TO BE, I GUESS, ECONOMICALLY RESPONSIBLE BY LOOKING AT A VEHICLE THAT'S A FIT FOR ALL FOR THE COMMUNITY.

WE'RE ALSO ONLY ONE EMERGENCY RESPONSE ORGANIZATION UP HERE.

WE DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF HAVING OUTLYING COMMUNITIES TO PROVIDE MUTUAL RESPONSE AND HAVING ADDITIONAL APPARATUS IN THAT.

SO WE REALLY HAVE TO BE STRATEGIC IN THE APPARATUS THAT WE USE AND THE ABILITY FOR THE, I GUESS, THE MULTIPLE USE THAT THEY CAN PERFORM AND THEN AS BY THAT, THEN WE LOOK AT THE AREAS THAT WE'RE GOING TO SERVE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR WATER CAPACITY AND LIKE I SAID, OVERALL LENGTH, HEIGHT, WEIGHT, THINGS LIKE THAT MAKE IT FUNCTIONAL FOR THE AREA THAT IT'S GOING TO SERVE.

THANKS VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. SEEING NOTHING FURTHER FOR THE FIRE.

NEXT, WE HAVE MED PAGE 73.

COUNCILLOR FEQUET. THANKS, MADAM CHAIR.

JUST A QUESTION, AND IF THIS IS THE WRONG PLACE, PLEASE ADVISE TO ASK THIS QUESTION.

IT'S JUST ABOUT THE SIDEWALK CLEARING DOWN FRANKLIN.

OBVIOUSLY, ACCESSIBILITY IS A REALLY IMPORTANT PRINCIPLE IN PRACTICE, AND IT SHOULD BE, AND I'M HAPPY TO SEE ALL THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND ALL THE PLAYGROUNDS AND OTHER COMMUNITY AND RECREATION FACILITIES, NOTWITHSTANDING THE ABNORMAL SNOWFALL THAT COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN MENTIONED ALREADY TODAY.

CAN CITY STAFF TELL US HOW FAR DOWN FRANKLIN IS CURRENTLY CLEARED.

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, THERE'S A REQUIREMENT IN OUR HIGHWAY TRAFFIC BYLAW AROUND REQUIRING DOWNTOWN PROPERTY OWNERS TO CLEAR SNOW FROM THEIR SIDEWALKS AND I WILL ASK OUR EXPERTS TO SPEAK TO THE EXACT AREA THAT THAT INCLUDES, BUT CERTAINLY WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT IS THAT THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS THEN DO THE SNOW CLEARING, AND IF THEY DON'T, OUR MUNICIPAL ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE ON FOOT AND THEY'RE THROUGH THE DOWNTOWN AND THEY'RE ABLE TO IDENTIFY IF THERE IS A PROPERTY OWNER THAT HASN'T COMPLIED AND BE ABLE TO SPEAK WITH THEM AND PERSUADE THEM OR MORE SERIOUSLY, TICKET THEM IN ORDER TO MAKE THEM COMPLY.

I'LL SEE IF WHO WOULD BE BEST TO SPEAK TO THIS, WHETHER IT'S A COMBINATION OF MR. GREENCORN AND MR. MACLEAN, BUT MR. GREENCORN. I'LL GO TO YOU FIRST.

THANKS. THE CITY IS IS CHARGED WITH THE SIDEWALKS, SNOW REMOVAL OF PROPERTY, PUBLIC PROPERTY ADJACENT TO CITY STREETS.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, FRANKLIN HILL, THAT WHOLE SLOPE DOWN TOWARDS THE OLD TOWN, WE CLEAN THAT.

THAT TAKES A BREAK ROUGHLY IN THE DOWNTOWN CORE, I BELIEVE IT STARTS ON 47TH STREET.

I CONFIRMED THAT UP. IT'S ALL IN THE HIGHWAY TRAFFIC BYLAW.

I DON'T KNOW THE EXTENT. I BELIEVE IT'S 44TH STREET TO 57TH STREET FROM THERE.

AGAIN, THAT'S AS MS. BASSI-KELLETT SAID, THAT'S PROPERTY OWNER REQUIREMENTS.

ONCE WE GET TO [INAUDIBLE] STREET, THE EVERYTHING ADJACENT TO PUBLIC PROPERTY AND SO ON THE TENNIS COURT SIDE OF THE ROAD, ALL OF THAT IS DONE BY US RIGHT AROUND OLD AIRPORT ROAD AND ALL THE WAY UP TO THE CEMETERY ROAD.

SO WE DO MAINTAIN THOSE.

BUT AGAIN, ANYTHING OUTSIDE PUBLIC PROPERTY.

SO IF IT'S IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, I HAVE TO DO THAT.

SO HOPEFULLY THAT PROVIDES SOME EXPLANATION.

ANYTHING ON THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE, I'LL LET MR. MACLEAN SPEAK TO BUT HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. SO THE DOWNTOWN CORE IS 49TH AVENUE TO 52ND AVENUE.

SO LOOK HERE 54TH STREET TO 45TH, LOOKS LIKE, SO IN THAT AREA, IT ALSO COINCIDES WITH OUR PARKING METER GRID SYSTEM, BOTH OUR ONE OR TWO AND OUR NINE HOUR METER MUNICIPAL ENFORCEMENT ONE OFFICERS ARE OUT DAILY TWO INDIVIDUALS DOING PARKING METER ENFORCEMENT AS PART OF THEIR ADDITIONAL DUTIES.

THEY ALSO DO SIDEWALK MONITORING TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE AREAS ARE CLEANED AND MAINTAINED.

WHEN IT'S NOTED THAT THERE'S NOT, THE FIRST STEP IS TO SPEAK WITH THE BUSINESS OWNER, IF APPLICABLE.

AS AN EDUCATION PIECE I'VE NOT HEARD IN MY TIME AS A DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SAFETY HAVING TO ACTUALLY ENFORCE SIDEWALK CLEANING. I BELIEVE OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESS OWNERS ARE VERY COGNIZANT OF THEIR CUSTOMERS AND WANTING TO MAKE SURE IT'S SAFE AND ACCESSIBLE FOR THEM TO GET INTO THEIR AREA , AND ADDITIONALLY TO THAT, OUR MID ONE OFFICERS WOULD ALSO, AS PART OF THEIR PATROLS, MONITOR LITTER AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

THANK YOU. SO JUST TO CONFIRM, BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE JUST GOT LIKE A ONE BLOCK GAP, THEN, IF THE SNOW REMOVAL IS GOING ON THE SIDEWALK ALL THE WAY TO [INAUDIBLE] STREET, WAS THAT WHAT MR. GREENCORN SAID FOR THE CITY'S CONTRIBUTION TOWARDS FRANKLIN, MS. BASSI-KELLETT? MR. GREENCORN.

YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE OUR RESPONSIBILITY ENDS, BECAUSE AT THAT POINT I'M ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROADS THAT ARE PRIVATE PROPERTY.

YEAH, PERHAPS SOMETHING FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER IN THE NEW YEAR BECAUSE OUR SNOW REMOVAL STOPS AT 57TH AND THEN IF WE JUST GO 57TH TO [INAUDIBLE] THEN THAT ONE PROPERTY OWNER HAS TO CLEAR THEIR SIDEWALKS AND IT'S STILL PRETTY IN THE DOWNTOWN CORE, A PRETTY HIGH TRAFFIC AREA, AT LEAST FOR PEOPLE COMMUTING FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER, PLUS RIGHT BESIDE A SENIORS HOME.

SO TO TRY TO EITHER THE CITY CLEARS THAT SIDEWALK OR JUST GETS THE BYLAW EXTENDED, BUT WE CAN ADD THAT AS A DISCUSSION FOR LOTS TO DISCUSS IN JANUARY.

YEAH, MAYBE JUST THE TAKEAWAYS.

I WILL DOUBLE CHECK AND CONFIRM THAT WITH STAFF.

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I DON'T EXACTLY KNOW HOW TO TEAR A PUMP APART, BUT I'LL DOUBLE CHECK AND CONFIRM THAT WE DO NOT DO THAT OR DO IT, BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE.

I CAN PRETTY MUCH SAY WE DON'T DO IT.

YEAH, [INAUDIBLE] THE STREETS.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S THAT LITTLE GAP BETWEEN THE BYLAW AND WHAT WE DO, BUT GOOD TO NOTE THE EXTENT THAT WE DO.

SEEING NOTHING FURTHER ON MED.

LET'S TAKE A BREAK, TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK AND WE WILL COME BACK TO PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT, MRS. WHITE. LET'S COME BACK AT 7:21 P.M..

SO WE WILL RECONVENE.

PLANNING AND LANDS. WE'VE GOT OUR STAFFING SUMMARY ON PAGE 75.

NO RECOMMENDED CHANGE FOR 2023.

ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? SEEING NONE.

NEXT, WE HAVE THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DIRECTORATE.

PAGE 77.

ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN? YES, SO THANKS, MADAM MAYOR.

SO LAST YEAR, COUNCIL REMOVED $50,000 THAT WAS ALLOCATED FOR THE CAPITAL AREA COMMITTEE.

THIS FUNDING RETURNS THIS YEAR AS WELL AS THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.

JUST WONDERING WHY THIS FUNDING WAS REMOVED LAST YEAR.

WERE THERE ANY NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES? ARE THERE ANY MEETINGS SCHEDULED FOR THIS COMMITTEE IN THE COMING YEAR? IT'S ONE DIVISION UP, BUT WE'LL BE THERE MOMENTARILY, I BET.

ANYTHING FURTHER ON PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DIRECTORATE? SEEING NONE PLANNING AND LANDS BUDGET BOOM.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT, ANY WE YEAH, THE CAPITAL AREA COMMITTEE, EVERYBODY IS SUPPOSED TO CONTRIBUTE MONEY, BUT NO OTHER ORDER OF GOVERNMENT HAS PUT IT IN THEIR BUDGET.

SO WE HAVE HISTORICALLY HAVE SAID IF NOBODY ELSE IS PUTTING IN IT, THEN WE DON'T, BUT MS. BASSI-KELLETT A BIT MORE INFORMATION ON THE CAPITAL AREA COMMITTEE.

ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANKS FOR THE QUESTION.

SO THE CAPITAL AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS ESTABLISHED AND APPROVED BY THE CITY AND ADOPTED BY COUNCIL THROUGH BYLAW.

THE CAPITAL AREA COMMITTEE IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE COMMITTEE THAT IS COMPRISED OF OURSELVES AND REPRESENTATIVES OF DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE PHYSICALLY LOCATED AROUND THE CAPITAL AREA.

SO THE LEDGE, PRINCE OF WALES, DND, RCMP, YELLOWKNIFE DENE FIRST NATION, OF COURSE, BECAUSE THEY HAVE INTERESTS IN SOME OF THEIR INTERIM LAND WITHDRAWALS IN THE AREA AS WELL, AND BECAUSE OF COURSE WE'RE ON CHIEF DRYGEESE TERRITORY.

SO AS ORGANIZATIONS WE GET TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE UPHOLDING THE CAPITAL AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH BASICALLY LAYS OUT THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT HAPPENS IN THIS AREA AROUND FRAME LAKE IS GOING TO BE OF AN INSTITUTIONAL IMPORTANCE.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE GOLDEN ARCHES.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE SOME BIG RETAIL FLASHING NEON SIGN ANYWHERE IN THE AREA, BUT IT WILL BE THINGS THAT HAVE ARE OF IMPORTANCE TO US AS A CIVIC SOCIETY AND THINGS THAT REALLY RESONATE AMONGST INSTITUTIONS.

SO AS ORGANIZATIONS, WE COME TOGETHER AND SAY IF THERE IS A JOINT PROJECT COMING TOGETHER WHERE WE CAN ALL COLLABORATE, THAT'S IN THE INTERESTS OF ALL OF US, WHERE WE SEE THAT THERE COULD BE WE COULD AMPLIFY EACH OTHER'S RESOURCES BY COLLABORATING AND COMING TOGETHER.

THAT'S CERTAINLY WHAT THE ALLOCATION IS USED FOR.

WE HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY IN RECENT HISTORY TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

WE WERE VERY HOPEFUL ON A COUPLE OF PROJECTS, BUT JUST TIMING UNFORTUNATELY DIDN'T REALLY WORK FOR US.

WE HAD SOME IDEAS AROUND A WOOD PELLET BOILER SYSTEM THAT COULD EXTEND TO RCMP, DND, THE LEDGE AND PRINCE OF WALES.

IT JUST DIDN'T HAPPEN.

TOO MANY GOVERNANCE ISSUES AROUND THAT ONE, BUT WE DO REMAIN HOPEFUL AND WE ARE REALLY KEEN TO BE ABLE TO AMPLIFY EACH OTHER'S GOOD WORK SHOULD THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE APPROPRIATE PROJECT ARISE, BUT IN THIS YEAR, IN 2022, WE HAVEN'T HAD THE NEED FOR THAT MONEY, AND IN 2023 WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE IT SHOULD THE NEED ARISE, BUT WE ARE UNDERSTANDING.

SORRY, I'VE BLATHERED ON AROUND THIS ONE BECAUSE IT WAS NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART WHEN IT WAS ESTABLISHED.

I'LL ASK MS. WHITE IF SHE HAS ANYTHING THAT SHE WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS AROUND THE CAPITAL AREA COMMITTEE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOT MUCH TO ADD.

JUST A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION AND BACKGROUND THAT THE CAPITAL AREA PLAN.

THE CITY ADOPTED THAT IN 2017.

SO IT'S BEEN ONLY A FEW YEARS, AND THEN WE OBVIOUSLY HAD A TWO YEAR PERIOD OF A BIT OF A HIATUS IN THERE.

SO THE PLAN HOPEFULLY GOING FORWARD BE THAT IT PICKS UP AGAIN AND WE MAY NEED THAT FUNDING IN THE FUTURE, BUT CURRENTLY FOR 2023, THERE'S NO PLANS FOR IT AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU.

HAS ANY OTHER ORDER OF GOVERNMENT SET ASIDE MONEY FOR THIS? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. IT ALWAYS FEELS LIKE A BIT OF A GAME OF CHICKEN.

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GNWT, OF COURSE, IS ON THE APRIL TO MARCH.

FEDS ARE ON DIFFERENT TIMELINES AS WELL AND SOME OF THEIR CROWN CORPORATIONS.

SO WE DO NOT KNOW OF MONEY THAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED AND PUBLICLY BROUGHT FORWARD TO SAY HI CAPITAL AREA COMMITTEE WE HAVE MONEY.

WHAT SHOULD WE DO? WE'RE NOT AWARE OF THAT. WE DO BELIEVE THAT IF THERE WAS FUNDING THAT WAS REQUIRED, IF [INAUDIBLE] CAME UP THAT WAS WORTHWHILE, WE'D GO TO EACH OTHER AND SAY, HEY, WHAT'S GOING ON? CAN WE COLLABORATE? MS. WHITE, ANYTHING MORE TO ADD? NO, THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION.

COULD I PUT FORWARD A MOTION? YEAH, SO IN LIEU OF ANY SPECIFIC PLANS FOR THE CAPITAL AREA COMMITTEE, I PUT FORWARD A MOTION COUNCIL DIRECTS ADMINISTRATION TO REMOVE $50,000 FOR THE CAPITAL AREA COMMITTEE FROM THE BUDGET AND BE READY TO ADD THAT FOR FUTURE YEARS IF OTHER ORDERS OF GOVERNMENT OUTLINE THEIR FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTIONS.

THANK YOU. SECOND BY COUNCILLOR FEQUET.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AND THAT CARRIES.

ANYTHING FURTHER PLANNING AND LANDS? COUNCILLOR WARBURTON. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

I KNOW WE DON'T GO BY ACTIVITY, BUT IT'S A LONG TERM PLANNING AND PRIORITY SETTING IS GETTING MORE ALLOCATION KIND OF ACTIVITY.

JUST CURIOUS WHY THAT CHANGE.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

MS. WHITE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

A NUMBER OF EXCITING THINGS, MOMENTUM GOING ON AS WELL AS WE HAVE A NEW STAFF POSITION WHICH WE'LL BE FOCUSING ON THIS AS WELL.

SO THAT'S REFLECTIVE OF A LITTLE BIT OF A SHIFT TOWARDS LONG TERM PLANNING.

SO WE'RE ALREADY STARTING TO THINK ABOUT COMMUNITY PLAN DATA GATHERING AS WELL AS HOPEFULLY IN 2023 YOU'RE GOING TO SEE AND DELIBERATE ON A LAND ADMINISTRATION BYLAW UPDATE AS WELL AS A NUMBER OF SHORT AND MEDIUM TERM PLANNING INITIATIVES, WHETHER THOSE ARE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLANS, NEW LOT CREATION, ALL OF THOSE TOGETHER.

SO THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE'RE FOCUSING.

IT ALSO REFLECTS, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE MADE SOME CHANGES TO THE ZONING BYLAW AND COMMUNITY PLAN RECENTLY, WE ACTUALLY ARE STILL SEEING A FAIR NUMBER OF DEVELOPMENT PERMITS.

SO THOSE ARE STILL BEING REFLECTED IN THIS TIME ALLOTMENT AS WELL.

THANK YOU, AND IN THAT WORK I DID NOT HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT COMMISSIONERS LAND TRANSFER.

SO WHERE IS THAT COMING FROM? MS. BASSI-KELLETT? DO YOU HAVE 3 HOURS? [CHUCKLING] WE HAVE MUCH WORK UNDERWAY WITH THIS LEADING UP TO WHAT WE ARE LOOKING VERY MUCH FORWARD TO A PRESENTATION BY DEPARTMENT OF LANDS TO GPC IN THE NEW YEAR.

WE'RE WORKING ON SETTING A DATE, BUT I WILL ASK MS. WHITE IF SHE'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO SOME OF THE RECENT EXPERIENCE AROUND OUR ONGOING PRESSURES ON THE NWT TO TRANSFER VACANT COMMISSIONERS LAND TO US.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

WHAT I CAN SAY IS, YES, OUR LANDS DIVISION STAFF, THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE REASONS AN ADDITIONAL STAFF PERSON WAS ADDED LAST YEAR WAS THE EXPECTATION THAT WE WOULD HAVE A NUMBER OF LANDS BEING TRANSFERRED, DIFFERENT PARCELS OF LAND BEING TRANSFERRED.

SO THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY FROM LAST YEAR THAT UNFORTUNATELY WILL HAVE TO BE CARRIED OVER.

SOME OF THAT WILL BE FOR CONTRACT WORK, SOME OF THAT IS FOR WORK WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING.

IT IS HOPED, IT IS OUR EXPECTATION THAT WE WILL SEE A NUMBER OF LAND TRANSFERS THIS YEAR.

I KNOW WE'RE CLOSE ON A FEW OF THEM AND YEAH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD ON THAT.

THEY ARE SOMEWHAT REFLECTED IN A DIFFERENT CATEGORY BECAUSE WE DID SET MONEY ASIDE LAST YEAR IN THE AMOUNT OF 600,000.

THIS YEAR WE'RE DOWN AROUND 200, REALIZING WE HAVEN'T SPENT THE MAJORITY OF THE MONEY FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR.

SO THAT'S A CARRY FORWARD FOR THIS YEAR.

WE'LL REEVALUATE WHEN WE COME TO DO THE 2024 BUDGET AND SEE WHERE WE'RE AT AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I GUESS THAT ANSWERED MY NEXT QUESTION, WHY THERE IS NOTHING IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR'S LAND TRANSFER BECAUSE YOU HAVE MONEY BUDGETED ELSEWHERE.

THANKS. THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR FEQUET. THANKS, MADAM CHAIR.

JUST FOLLOWING UP ON THAT TRAIN OF THOUGHT FROM COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.

DOES THE ADMINISTRATION THINK THERE'S ANYTHING FURTHER THAT COUNCIL CAN DO TO SUPPORT ADMINISTRATION IN EXPEDITING THE TRANSFER OF LANDS COMMISSIONER'S LANDS? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING AT THIS SINCE 2019.

THERE WAS A VERY FRUSTRATING CASE THAT CAME BEFORE COUNCIL AT THE TIME OF A TOUR OPERATOR LOOKING FOR SOME AREA WITHIN THE MUNICIPALITY, AND WE HAD NO LAND THAT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR

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SINCE THAT TIME WE PRESSURED THE PREVIOUS MINISTER OF LANDS AND WORKED VERY HARD TO GET THE INTO THE MANDATE OF THE CURRENT LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY.

THE WORK TO LOOK AT THE TRANSFER OF VACANT COMMISSIONERS LAND TO THE CITY.

THE DEPARTMENT OF LANDS WOULD LIKE TO DO THIS THROUGH ESTABLISHING AN MOU THAT LAYS OUT SOME OF THE PARAMETERS AROUND DOING SO.

SOMETIMES PROCESS IS THE PRODUCT.

THAT'S WHAT THAT'S FELT LIKE. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS MOU FOR A LONG TIME, WANTING TO GET IT FINALIZED WHILE STILL IDENTIFYING THE PARCELS OF LAND.

FIRST OF ALL, STARTING WITH LOW HANGING FRUIT, SOME OF THE EASY THINGS LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ROADS, THE MUNICIPAL ROADS IN THE CITY THAT STILL HAPPEN TO BE COMMISSIONERS LAND.

WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOME OF THAT CLEANUP WORK BECAUSE IT'S NO BRAINER.

IT'S EASY TO DO. JUST GET THAT TRANSFERRED TO US.

NOT VERY BIG CONSIDERATIONS WHEN IT COMES TO THE DUTY TO CONSULT WITH THE YELLOW KNIVES, ALTHOUGH THAT'S VERY MUCH PART OF THE PROCESS, BUT THEY'VE BEEN VERY CLEAR SAYING, HEY, IF THEY'RE ROADS, WE DON'T CARE.

TRANSFER THEM TO THE CITY.

SO WE'RE TRYING VERY HARD TO WORK ON THE LOW HANGING FRUIT AND LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE OF GETTING LAND WITHIN OUR CONTROL THAT WE CAN THEN BE ABLE TO CONTROL FOR DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES, AND THAT IS AN ONGOING PROCESS.

THAT'S BEEN A LITTLE FRUSTRATING, BUT WE ARE VERY HOPEFUL THAT ONCE WE GET THIS MOU IN PLACE THAT THERE WILL BE MORE OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY IDENTIFY SOME OF THE STRATEGIC PIECES OF LAND.

MS. WHITE, YOU'VE BEEN KNEE DEEP IN THIS STUFF, SO ANYTHING TO ADD? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I WOULD SAY THE ONLY OTHER PIECE I JUST WANT TO REMIND CONUCIL AND THE PUBLIC WHO ARE WATCHING IS WHILE, YES, THERE'S A LONG PROCESS THAT'S BEEN ONGOING, THERE ARE SOME STRATEGIC PARCELS IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE'VE PUT FORWARD FOR THE ROADS AND OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE THAT WE'RE VERY HOPEFUL.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON OUTSIDE OF THE WHOLE MOU PROCESS BECAUSE THEY'RE THAT IMPORTANT OR STRATEGIC TO THE MUNICIPALITY.

SO I WANT YOU TO KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN WORKING IN TANDEM AND THERE ARE OTHER SPECIFIC PARCELS THAT WOULD ALSO ASSIST WITH OUR INFILL AND PROPOSALS FOR DENSIFICATION WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN.

SO THERE'S PARCELS THERE AS WELL, BUT WE ARE VERY, VERY HOPEFUL WOULD BE TRANSFERRED AND I'M GOING TO SAY IN THE NEXT YEAR.

SO WE'LL BE HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

THE REMAINDER OF THE LANDS, YES, WE'RE FINALIZING THAT, LOOKING TO GO TO CONSULTATION IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO, AND AS MS. BASSI-KELLETT SAID, HOPEFULLY A PRESENTATION TO YOU IN JANUARY Q1.

THANK YOU. YEAH, I JUST I GUESS I WAS ASKING THE QUESTION FROM THE CONTEXT OF THESE BUDGET DELIBERATIONS AND NOT WANTING TO MISS THE BOAT.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S STAFFING IN PLACE TO HANDLE IT ONCE IT STARTS TO FLOW AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO GET AN UPDATE IN JANUARY ABOUT HOW THIS PROCESS HAS HAPPENED AND MAYBE WHAT SOME OF THE BARRIERS ARE.

I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO MISS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENSURE WE HAD THE TOOLS IN PLACE IN THE BUDGET, THE SUPPORT FOR STAFF, BECAUSE I THINK DURING THE ELECTIONS, ALL OF THE INDIVIDUALS SITTING UP HERE MADE COMMENTS ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS, AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOTHING MORE THAT WE COULD DO FROM UP HERE.

THANK YOU. SEEING NOTHING FURTHER.

NEXT, WE HAVE BUILDING SERVICES PAGE 80.

SEEING NOTHING.

WE'VE GOT PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING.

THE STAFFING SUMMARY ON PAGE 82.

I GUESS ONE RECOMMENDED.

MANAGER OF ENVIRONMENTAL MONITORING AND COMPLIANCE WITH THE FUNDING THAT WOULD BE COST SHARED BETWEEN SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT FUND AND THE WATER AND SEWER FUND, AND TO MOVE THE SUSTAINABLE PROJECTS COORDINATOR FROM THE CAPITAL FUND TO THE SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT FUND.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE STAFFING SUMMARY? COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN. JUST WONDERING WHY ADMINISTRATION IS RECOMMENDING THE CHANGE FOR THAT SUSTAINABILITY PROJECT COORDINATOR? BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS WANTED IT TO BE FUNDED THERE AND COUNCIL'S PUT IT IN CAPITAL FUND TO TRY TO REDUCE TAXES ONE YEAR.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

OH, IT HAS TO DO PURELY WITH FUNCTION.

MR. GREENCORN IT DOES HAVE TO DO WITH FUNCTION, AND ARGUABLY, IT WOULD BE A NOT ARGUABLY, ACTUALLY IT WOULD BE A FEE INCREASE.

SO HONESTLY, IT IS A FUNCTION EXERCISE.

WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT BELONGS IN THE CAPITAL FUND.

IT'S NOT STRICTLY ADDRESSING CAPITAL FUND PROJECTS.

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SO THAT'S WHY.

THANK YOU. SEEING NOTHING FURTHER.

NEXT, WE HAVE PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING DIRECTOR PAGE 85.

NEXT, WE HAVE CITY GARAGE, PAGE 86.

COUNCILLOR WARBURTON. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

MY QUESTION IS THAT FACILITY, IT SEEMS QUITE DATED, AND IS THERE ANY PLANS, I GUESS, IN THE FUTURE TO TO UPGRADE THAT FACILITY? MS. BASSI-KELLETT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION, AND WE'RE REALLY LOOKING TO OUR ASSET MANAGEMENT FRAMEWORK WITH THE THE STATUS OF ALL OF OUR ASSETS, OUR ASSET REGISTRY, TO BE A REAL DETERMINANT OF THE WORK ON THIS.

I AGREE WITH YOU THOUGH. IT'S QUITE DATED, QUITE OLD.

MR. GREENCORN, ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT BUILDING? THANKS FOR THE QUESTION.

IT IS QUITE OLD.

WE PUT A LOT OF TLC INTO IT.

JUST THE GUYS KEEP A GOOD TOUCH ON THE BUILDING AS MUCH AS THEY CAN.

I'D LIKE TO COMPLEMENT WHAT MS. BASSI-KELLETT SAID, AND WE'D LIKE TO EXPAND OUR ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN AND LOOK AT OUR ASSETS AS A WHOLE.

I WOULD LOVE NOTHING MORE THAN TO GET A NEW CITY GARAGE, BUT WE WANT TO DO THAT IN THE OVERALL PICTURE AS IF THAT'S THE BEST THING FOR THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE. AND I THINK ONCE WE GET MORE INVOLVED IN THE ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN AND WE'RE COMPLETING OUR CONDITION ASSESSMENTS TO ASSESS ALL THE FUNCTIONALITY OF EACH BUILDING AND THEN EXTRAPOLATE THAT OUT OVER TIME AND SEE WHICH IS THE BEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK.

SO WE WOULD LOOK FORWARD TO ANY UPGRADES, BUT AT THIS TIME WE'RE TAKING THAT ASSET MANAGEMENT APPROACH AND MAKING SURE THAT IT'S DONE IN A SYSTEMIC AND PROPERLY PLANNED OUT MATTER INSTEAD OF WHACK-A-MOLE, I GUESS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM.

SO I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION.

THANK YOU. SEEING NOTHING FURTHER.

NEXT, WE HAVE PUBLIC TRANSIT.

PAGE 87.

COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN. YEAH.

THANK YOU. JUST LOOKING FORWARD TO THE RESPONSE FROM THE PUBLIC SURVEY ABOUT THE NEW TRANSIT ROUTES AND AS THE SORT OF JUMP IN GENERAL SERVICES WERE ANTICIPATING THAT FUEL OR IS THAT THE CHANGE IN ROUTES? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

MR. GREENCORN? YEAH, IT'S A COMBINATION OF A FEW THINGS.

IT IS FUEL BASED. THERE IS A FUEL ESCALATION CLAUSE IS BUILT IN OUR CONTRACTS SO THAT CONTRACTORS DON'T HAVE TO BURDEN EXORBITANT JUMPS IN FUEL SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO CARRY THAT IN THEIR HOURLY RATES.

SO WE DO ADJUST ALL OF OUR LIKE OUR WATER AND SEWER TRUCK CONTRACTS, AS WELL AS OUR GARBAGE COLLECTION SERVICES CONTRACTS ALL HAVE THAT FUEL ESCALATION CLAUSE IN THERE. IT'S ALSO IN THIS BUDGET DOCUMENT, WE CAME TO THE END OF OUR CONTRACT SERVICE WITH THE PROVIDER.

SO THIS REFLECTS A NEW CONTRACT WITH THE REQUIREMENT OF FULLY ACCESSIBLE LOW FLOOR BUSSES, WHICH CAME OUT OF OUR ACCESSIBILITY STUDY TO BE A MORE INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY.

SO THAT'S FACTORED INTO THEIR NEW RATES.

HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE GETTING THOSE BUSSES HERE QUICKLY IN Q1, AND ALONG WITH THAT, THERE'S THE ROUTES AND THE MOTIONS OF COUNCIL THAT WERE PUT FORWARD, I BELIEVE, IN 2019, TO ADD THAT EXTRA LEVEL OF SERVICE TO THE TRANSIT SYSTEM.

SOUNDS GOOD, AND WHAT IS THE TIMEFRAME FOR THOSE NEW ROUTES AND SORT OF FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

MR. GREENCORN.

THANKS. WE'VE BEEN PARTAKING IN PUBLIC SESSIONS QUITE RECENTLY IN THE PAST WEEK OR TWO.

WE'RE TAKING THAT BACK AND WE'LL SEE--THE SYSTEM HAS DETECTED THAT A FEW LINES ARE STILL CONNECTED TO THE CONFERENCE AND WILL ATTEMPT TO DISCONNECT THEM.

IF YOU WISH TO REMAIN IN THE CONFERENCE, PLEASE PRESS STAR ONE.

WE'LL TAKE THAT INFORMATION AND SUMMARIZE IT AND SEE AND SEE SEE WHAT THE PUBLIC HAD TO SAY.

AS FOR OVERALL IMPLEMENTATION, OUR PLAN IS PROBABLY TO ROLL IT OUT IN AUGUST, JUST PRIOR TO THE SCHOOL YEAR OR WELL IN ADVANCE OF THE SCHOOL YEAR TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE KINKS WORKED OUT BEFORE EVERYONE GOES BACK TO SCHOOL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. ANYTHING FURTHER ON PUBLIC TRANSIT? COUNCILLOR MCGURK.

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CORRECT, USER CHARGES ARE ALL FEES COLLECTED BY THE TRANSIT SYSTEM PROPER? OKEY-DOKEY. NEXT, ROADS AND SIDEWALKS.

OUR FAVORITE DEPARTMENT AND I DO NOTE THAT WE ADDED ONE POSITION IN '22.

THANK GOODNESS THAT WAS SMART THINKING LAST YEAR.

ANYTHING FURTHER ON ROADS AND SIDEWALKS BUDGET? SEEING NONE. AGAIN, THIS IS ONE THAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO THE KNEE JERK REACTION, HOWEVER, WE'LL MONITOR OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS AND IF THIS IS THE NEW NORMAL, THEN OF COURSE THE BUDGET WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE, BUT FOR THE TIME BEING.

COUNCIL WARBURTON. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

SEE, THE QUARRY CHARGES FOR USER CHARGES ARE QUITE CONSTANT.

IS THAT TENDERED? OR LEASED? HOW'S THAT WORK? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. MR. GREENCORN. THANKS, THESE ARE ROYALTY FEES THAT WE GET OF OUR TWO QUARRIES THAT ARE LEASED TO US AT THE LANDFILL.

BOTH THE RTL QUARRY SORRY, THREE [INAUDIBLE] QUARRY, LAND QUARRY, THE QUARRY AND THE NWT CONSTRUCTION QUARRY.

THIS IS JUST OUR ROUGH PROJECTION.

AS YOU CAN SEE, IN 2021, LESS AGGREGATES WERE TAKEN OUT THAN ANTICIPATED.

WE TRY OUR BEST TO KIND OF SORE THUMB THIS, BUT WE REALLY DON'T KNOW ON AN ANNUAL BASIS UNTIL CONTRACTORS TAKE INVENTORY OF THEIR STOCKPILES AND DETERMINE WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE, AND LARGELY THEIR NEEDS ARE UNKNOWN UNTIL THEIR TENDERS COME IN.

SO FROM YEAR TO YEAR THEY DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THEIR AGGREGATE REQUIREMENTS ARE GOING TO BE UNTIL THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL OR UNSUCCESSFUL, RATHER, IN THEIR BIDDING.

SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR THAT KIND OF FLAT LINE APPROACH, BUT IT'S KIND OF MINIMAL IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF OUR OVERALL BUDGET.

THANKS. COUNCILLOR MCGURK.

THIS MIGHT BE A WEIRD LIKE IN THE WEEDS QUESTION, BUT DO WE KNOW IF ROAD WORK THAT WE CONTRACT USES GRAVEL FROM OUR QUARRIES? I'M JUST THINKING IF WE'RE CHANGING WHEN WE PAVE, IF THAT WILL AFFECT HOW WE SHOULD BE BUDGETING IN THE FUTURE.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

MR. GREENCORN.

I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE I HAVE YOUR QUESTION PROPERLY.

YOU'RE ASKING IF DEFERRING PAVING FOR THE TWO YEARS AS PLANNED IN THE BUDGET WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON QUARRIES? YES, PROBABLY, BUT THERE'S ALSO SEVERAL OTHER USES IN THOSE QUARRIES.

WE HAVE A STREET SANDING PROGRAM.

WE HAVE THE PATCHING PROGRAM.

THOSE QUARRIES ALSO DON'T JUST SERVE YELLOWKNIFE.

SO IF AIRPORTS IS DOING A PROJECT OR NWT HIGHWAYS IS DOING A PROJECT OR [INAUDIBLE], LIKE, A LOT OF THOSE AGGREGATES MAKE THEIR WAY INTO OTHER PLACES IN THE AREA AND SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.

SO I BELIEVE THOSE IT'LL BE HARD FOR ME TO PREDICT WHAT HAPPENS ON A PRIVATE SCALE, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THERE'LL BE AMPLE AGGREGATE PRODUCTION IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS, PARTICULARLY EVEN ON SOME OF OUR OWN PROJECTS.

SEEING NOTHING FURTHER.

NEXT, WE HAVE THE SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT FUND, PAGE 89 AND 90.

COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN. SO IN REGARDS TO THE SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT FUND, WHAT WOULD BE UNDER OTHERS UNDER EXPENSES BY OBJECT? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. MR. GREENCORN, I'M GOING TO DO MY BEST TO EXPLAIN THIS, AND I'M GOING TO PASS IT TO MISS WOODWARD IF I BOTCH IT IN ANY WAY, BECAUSE I'M NOT AN ACCOUNTANT IN WHATSOEVER, BUT THIS IS IF YOU LOOK ON THE PREVIOUS PAGE UNDER THE ANNUAL ACCRUALS, IF YOU LOOK UNDER EXPENDITURES BY ACTIVITY, YOU'LL SEE UNDER CLOSURE AND RESTORATION, THE SAME THREE, THREE, FOUR, SIX IS IS LOCATED UNDER THE ANNUAL ACCRUALS AND THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH OUR LIABILITY AND ACCOUNTING FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASPECTS AND LIABILITY ASSOCIATED WITH THE LANDFILL.

MS. WOODWARD, IF YOU REALLY WANT TO.

POLISH THAT UP FOR ME, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

I THINK YOU'VE NAILED IT, MR. GREENCORN. IT IS THE SITE RESTORATION AND CLOSURE ACCRUAL.

IT'S AN ACCOUNTING THING.

WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT LIABILITY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

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NEXT, WE HAVE THE WATER AND SEWER FUND.

PAGE 91 AND 92.

COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN. THANK YOU.

SO, LOOKING AT THE CLOSING BALANCES SINCE 2017, IT'S BEEN A STEADY INCREASE.

SO WHAT IS THE REASON OR PHILOSOPHY BEHIND THE GROWING BALANCE OF THE WATER SEWER FUND? JUST NOTICED IN THE BUDGET POLICY IT STATES THE FUND SHOULD BE NO LESS THAN 5% OF BUDGETED EXPENDITURES, AND THE 2023 BUDGET CLOSING BALANCE IS 26.6% OF BUDGET EXPENDITURES.

SO JUST LOOKING FOR AN EXPLANATION.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT. MR. GREENCORN.

THANKS FOR THE QUESTION.

I THINK GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE TRY TO WE HAVE A WORK PLAN AND WE SET OUT A PATH ON ACTIVITIES THAT WE PLAN ON DOING AND THE ASSOCIATED EXPENDITURES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

SO EACH OF THE PRIOR YEARS, THERE WERE MINIMAL INCREASES OR I GUESS REALISTIC EXPECTED INCREASES AND THAT THAT WORK CONTINUED, BUT OVER TIME, DUE TO VARIOUS REASONS, SUCH AS HIGHER PRIORITIES, SHORT STAFFED, DIFFERENT PRIORITIES, PRIORITIZATION WORKLOADS OR SUPPORT IN OTHER AREAS, OUR LIST OF THINGS.

OUR LIST OF ACTIVITIES ASSOCIATED WITH THE WATER FUND SPECIFICALLY, I GUESS WE DIDN'T ALWAYS EXPEND THOSE EXPENDITURES.

SO THAT ALSO CONTRIBUTED TO AN INCREASE IN THE FUND.

SO IF YOU'VE SEEN IN THE PAST BUDGET, I BELIEVE LAST YEAR AND MAYBE THE YEAR BEFORE AND THE FORESEEABLE BUDGET FUTURE, WE'RE ANTICIPATING NO INCREASES TO USER FEES, AS A RESULT, OR NOT AS A RESULT, BUT TO ADDRESS THIS BALANCE MOVING FORWARD.

SO ONCE THIS IS DRAWN DOWN WITH 0% INCREASES, WE'LL GET BACK INTO A LOWER FUND BALANCE AND THEN WE'LL START TO REASSESS THAT AGAIN.

SO THIS IS KIND OF MAKING ADJUSTMENTS FOR THOSE OVERTURES.

THANK YOU. WOULD IT ALSO SOME OF THE FUNDING BE USED FOR THE WATER SUBMARINE LINE? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. AS WE DO OUR ACCOUNTING ON THIS AND LOOK AT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO DRAW FUNDING FROM, WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING TO SEE IF WE CAN FIND THAT 25% THAT'S OUTSTANDING FROM ANOTHER PROVIDER.

I'M NOT BITTER, BUT I'M TELLING YOU, I DO NOT WANT TO SEE THE CITY SUCK UP THAT 25% WHEN THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS CLEARLY OUTSIDE OF OUR CONTROL.

WE DID PUSH MANY, MANY YEARS AGO TO HAVE THE WATER SUPPLY LINE INCLUDED AS PART OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT OF GIANT, AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

SO WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SEE IF WE CAN FIND EXTERNAL SOURCES OTHER THAN CITY AND OTHERWISE.

WE WILL LOOK AT FUNDS AS APPROPRIATE FROM WITHIN HOUSE TO SEE WHERE WE NEED TO MAKE UP THE FUNDS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR THE COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT, AND THAT MAY VERY WELL INCLUDE THE WATER AND SEWER FUND.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR WARBURTON. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

SO IN TRUCKED WATER, IT SHOWS WE BUDGETED 1.5 MILLION IN REVENUE, AND THEN LOOKING AT GENERAL SERVICES IN THE NOTE WATER DELIVERY AND SEWAGE PUMP COSTS IS 2.592 MILLION.

MY ROUGH MATH IS THAT'S $1.4 MILLION.

SO BASICALLY WE'RE NOT COLLECTING ON TRUCK, WATER AND SEWER.

AM I CORRECT IN THAT WE ARE SUBSIDIZING TRUCK, WATER AND SEWER? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

WE DO KNOW THAT TRUCKED WATER AND SEWER, WHILE CHEAPER ON CAPITAL, IS MORE EXPENSIVE WHEN IT COMES TO THE ONGOING O&M, AND THIS IS SOMETHING CERTAINLY THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THROUGH OUR WATER RATES REVIEW.

WE KNOW RIGHT NOW THAT THE OVERALL COST DO SUBSIDIZE TRUCKED.

I'LL ASK MR. GREENCORN IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF MS. WOODWARD WANTS TO AS WELL.

SURE. SO WHAT YOU'VE POINTED OUT IS ACTUALLY THE SUBSIDIZATION OF TRUCKED WATER.

SO YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'RE BRINGING IN REVENUES AND OUR EXPENDITURES ARE ACTUALLY ON THE NEXT PAGE.

SO WHAT WILL BE COMING FORWARD WILL BE THAT PHILOSOPHICAL DISCUSSION ON WHERE WE WANT TO BE.

SO DO WE WANT THE REVENUES FROM TRUCK TO ACTUALLY MATCH 2.5? SO DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR THAT MIGHT BE A BIT MUCH AND MIGHT BE A HARD HIT TO PEOPLE ON TRUCK.

DO WE WANT TO BE SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN WHERE WE ARE NOW AND THAT 1 TO $1 VALUE? MAYBE THAT'S SOMEWHERE WE WANT TO WHERE WE WANT TO BE AND THE WATER RATE DISCUSSION WILL DO THAT.

SO BUT YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SEEING.

THANKS, AND IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LIKE THAT NUMBER, IS THAT COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL WRAPPED TOGETHER INTO ONE NUMBER OR ARE THEY SEPARATE OUT? MS. BASSI-KELLETT? I BELIEVE IT'S A WRAP UP, BUT I'LL ASK MR. GREENCORN.

CORRECT. ANYTHING FURTHER ON THE WATER AND SEWER FUND.

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NEXT, WE HAVE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT FUND.

PAGE 94.

COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN. YEAH, SO ANOTHER QUESTION ON SORT OF THE REASON AND PHILOSOPHY BEHIND THE GROWING BALANCE HERE.

IN 2015, THE FUND'S TARGET UNDER YOUR BALANCE WAS ZERO.

WHILE THE CURRENT POLICY STATES THE FUND SHOULD HAVE AN AMOUNT SUFFICIENT TO FUND FUTURE LAND DEVELOPMENT, AND WE'RE UP TO CLOSING BALANCE OVER $11 MILLION.

BESIDES ENGLE PHASE TWO ENTERPRISE EXTENSION, WHAT IS THIS $11 MILLION SORT OF ALLOTTED FOR? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THERE'S A RANGE OF PROJECTS THAT ARE EITHER AT THE POINT WHERE WE CAN TALK ABOUT THEM OR SOME THAT ARE COOKING.

LET ME SAY THAT WE ARE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO COME TO FRUITION, BUT I WILL ASK MS. WHITE IF SHE CAN SPEAK TO THIS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

THERE'S ABOUT THREE DIFFERENT MOVING PIECES HERE.

SO THE FIRST PIECE IS ABOUT $7 MILLION OF THIS FUND IS ACTUALLY WE COULD CALL IT ALLOCATED.

SO WHETHER THAT IS PUTTING MONEY TOWARDS TRAILS, TOWARDS PARKS, TOWARDS INFRASTRUCTURE FOR SUBDIVISIONS, AS YOU MENTIONED, SOME OF THIS WILL NOW GO TOWARDS ANGLE.

SO THOSE PIECES ARE ALREADY ALLOCATED MONEY.

SO WHILE IT'S IN THERE, IT IS COMMITTED TO A PROJECT.

THERE ARE MONEY IN THERE FOR FORTHCOMING PROJECTS, WHICH WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, CAM LAKE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT INFILL OPPORTUNITIES.

WHEN WE'RE TALKING INFILL, YOU CAN BE LOOKING ANYWHERE FROM 2 TO 3 PROJECTS A YEAR OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, DEPENDING ON WHERE WE LAND WITH OPTIONS.

SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE MONEY IS THERE TO FUND THAT, AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER PIECE OF THIS FUND.

ALSO, WE KEEP IN THE BALANCE FOR PURCHASING LAND SHOULD WE NEED TO, WHETHER THAT'S STRATEGIC LAND OR OTHERWISE.

SO WE ALWAYS HAVE A LITTLE BIT THERE AS WELL.

SO THOSE WOULD BE THE THREE PIECES THAT MAKE UP THIS MONEY.

IN ADDITION, WHEN WE PRICE OUR LAND, WE TRY TO PRICE IT, SO WE'RE MAKING BACK THE MONEY THAT WE THEN INVEST.

SO IF WE HAVE HYPOTHETICALLY TEN LOTS FOR SALE EACH AT $100,000, WE COULD SELL THEM ONE A YEAR OR SOMETIMES WE END UP SELLING THEM EIGHT IN A YEAR, AND SO IT KIND OF ADDS IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT THEN THAT JUST PROVIDES US MORE MONEY TO MOVE FORWARD WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR WHEN WE'RE PLANNING OUT PROJECTS. SO IT'S A BIG MOVING WHEEL OF FUND, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, AND IS THERE ANY POLICY TOWARDS THE CITY IN TERMS OF PURCHASING LAND? IS THAT REFLECTED IN A DOCUMENT SOMEWHERE? LAND ADMINISTRATION BYLAW.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT. ABSOLUTELY.

LAND ADMINISTRATION BYLAW, ZONING COMMUNITY PLAN.

MS. WHITE, OVER TO YOU.

YES, THAT'S OUR GO TO DOCUMENTS FIRST LAND ADMIN BYLAW.

SECOND COMMUNITY PLAN, WHICH IDENTIFIES STRATEGIC AREAS NOT ONLY NOT JUST ABOUT US ACQUIRING LAND, BUT WHERE WE ARE GOING TO DEVELOP IN THE SHORT, MEDIUM AND LONG TERM, AND THEN, IF THERE'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY, THEN IT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD COME TO COUNCIL TO DISCUSS.

THANK YOU.

I [INAUDIBLE] SORT OF TRIED TO LOOK INTO THIS, BUT IF YOU COULD GIVE ME A BETTER EXPLANATION, SORT OF DO WE HAVE A MECHANISM FOR RECOVERING SORT OF THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONAL COSTS OF BUILDING NEW INFRASTRUCTURE? SHOULD WE DO THAT FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

MS. WHITE.

SO IF I GET YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY, WE CREATE A PLAN OF SUBDIVISION.

WHAT WE DO IS AS PART OF THAT, WE ENGINEER IT AND WE PUT IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO DO YOU MEAN WHILE THE LOT IS WAITING THAT CARRYING COST IS BUILT INTO THE COST OF THE LOT THAT WE THEN RECOVER? SO WE DO IT THAT WAY? I'M HOPING I'M ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION.

YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE, AND THEN THE ONGOING SORT OF MAINTENANCE COSTS WOULD BE CAPTURED IN USER FEES OR TAXES.

YEAH. GOOD? YEAH. THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR FEQUET. THANKS, MADAM CHAIR.

JUST A QUESTION REGARDING THE CHAMBER SENT US A LOVELY LETTER ON NOVEMBER 25TH AND DID A PRESENTATION FOR COUNCIL AND SPECIFICALLY REGARDING 4C THE RESERVE FUND.

THE CHAMBER HAD SUGGESTED THAT SHOULD THE CITY BE ABLE TO SELL THE CORNER MART LOTS FOR MORE THAN A BUCK, THAT WHEN AND IF THAT HAPPENS, THE BALANCE SHOULD BE RETURNED TO THE REVITALIZATION RESERVE AND DEPLOYED FOR THE PURPOSE WITH WHICH THE FUND WAS CREATED RATHER THAN SIMPLY STAYING IN THE LAND FUND.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE LAND FUND IS MORE FLEXIBLE.

SO I WAS HOPING YOU COULD CONFIRM THAT, AND ALSO JUST EXPLAIN YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE CHAMBER'S SUGGESTION IF THERE'S PROS OR CONS TO WHAT THEY'RE SUGGESTING.

THANKS. MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

MISS WHITE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ONE?

[02:15:05]

SO, YEAH, THERE WAS A COUPLE OF PIECES TO THAT DIRECTION WHICH WE DID RECEIVE FROM PREVIOUS COUNCIL.

SO IF THE LANDS ARE SOLD, REGARDLESS OF THE PRICE, THE FLEXIBILITY AND I WOULDN'T SAY FLEXIBILITY, JUST THE AVAILABILITY TO SPEND MONEY ON NEW DEVELOPMENT THROUGH THE LAND FUND.

ESPECIALLY UNDERSTANDING RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT INFILL AND DENSIFICATION OPTIONS WHICH ARE PRIMARILY IN THE DOWNTOWN AND OUR C ZONE AREAS.

NOT TO SAY IT ALL WILL BE THERE, BUT OUR POLICY DIRECTS US TO DO THAT.

THE FUND THAT WE'RE TRANSFERRING MONEY OUT OF STARTED AT ABOUT $2.4 MILLION.

THAT MONEY WAS OBTAINED THROUGH LAND SALES AND A PORTION PUT INTO THIS FUND.

SO THE MONEY, IF IT HADN'T GONE INTO THIS FUND, WOULD HAVE GONE INTO THE LAND FUND.

SO WE'RE KIND OF PUTTING IT BACK TO WHERE IT ORIGINALLY WOULD HAVE BEEN.

IT'S VERY CONVOLUTED, AND THEN THE RESOLUTION FROM COUNCIL WHEN THEY CREATED THE FUND WAS VERY SPECIFIC ON WHAT IT COULD BE USED FOR, AND WE ALSO STILL HAVE THE DOWNTOWN IMPROVEMENT RESERVE AS WELL.

SO WE KIND OF HAD TWO RESERVES THIS WAY.

ONE IS GOING BACK TO THE LAND FUND.

WE STILL HAVE THAT DOWNTOWN IMPROVEMENT RESERVE AS WELL AS THE REMAINING AMOUNT OF THE 2.25, WHICH WOULD BE FOR THE 50/50 LOT AND THE 3 50TH STREET LOTS.

THE REMAINDER IS 141,000 WOULD GO INTO THE DOWNTOWN IMPROVEMENT RESERVE AND BE STILL UTILIZED FOR THE DOWNTOWN.

SO THAT'S THE REMAINDER AND THAT'S HOW THE MONEY WOULD BE DISTRIBUTED.

HOPEFULLY THAT MADE SENSE.

THANK YOU, AND BASICALLY, IF SOMEBODY CAME FORWARD AND WANTED TO BUY THE THREE LOTS ON 50TH STREET FOR FULL VALUE, THEN ADMINISTRATION WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND GET DIRECTION ON WHERE TO PUT THAT MONEY SINCE THE REVITALIZATION LAND FUND PART OF IT, BUT WE'LL SEE IF ANYBODY COMES FORWARD AND OFFERS FULL VALUE OF THE LAND.

WE CAN HOPE IT.

YEAH, ANYTHING FURTHER ON THE LAND FUNDS? SEEING NONE.

NEXT, WE HAVE THE SERVICE CONNECTION FAILURE ASSISTANCE FUND.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? SEEING NONE.

THEN WE ZOOM PAST CAPITAL , AND WE GO TO THE RESERVE FUNDS.

PAGE 175.

COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN. YEAH, SO I'D LIKE TO PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR HERE FOR COUNCIL TO DIRECT ADMINISTRATION TO REDUCE THE TRANSFER FROM THE CAPITAL FUND TO THE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY RESERVE TO 295,000 IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE CLOSING BALANCE AT 2022'S BUDGETED CLOSING BALANCE AND MY JUSTIFICATION HERE--DO WE HAVE A SECONDER? COUNCILOR FEQUET.

BACK TO YOU. THANK YOU.

SO MY JUSTIFICATION SO THE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY RESERVE IS CURRENTLY BASED ON THE BUDGET POLICY, BASED ON THE AVERAGE OF THE LAST FIVE YEARS OF EXPENDITURES.

THIS IS $646,000.

THE BUDGETED CLOSING BALANCE IS $1.74 MILLION AND THE 2024 BUDGETED EXPENDITURES ARE $400,000.

AFTER THE PROPOSED REDUCTION, THE CLOSING BALANCE WOULD BE $1.54 MILLION.

THIS IS WELL ABOVE THE AVERAGE OF THE LAST FIVE YEARS OF EXPENDITURES.

SO JUST I GUESS, A QUESTION TO ADMINISTRATION.

IS THERE A REASON FOR ALL THIS EXTRA MONEY IN THE FUND OR RESERVE? SORRY. MS. BASSI-KELLETT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I'LL TURN THIS TO MISS WOODWARD, BUT I DO WANT TO SAY THAT WE HAVE LEARNED VERY, VERY MUCH OVER THE LAST TWO AND A HALF OR THREE YEARS THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING A REALLY, REALLY ROBUST VIRTUAL PRESENCE, A VIRTUAL PRESENCE AND A SECURE VIRTUAL PRESENCE.

MORE IMPORTANTLY, THAT BECAME SO APPARENT TO US DURING COVID AND THE STEPS WE NEED TO TAKE TO UPHOLD THE SECURITY, TO UPHOLD THE WORK THAT WE DO, AND THE DIVERSITY OF VIRTUAL AND SUPPORTED TECHNOLOGIES TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT YELLOWKNIFERS.

I'LL TURN IT TO MS. WOODWARD TO SPEAK TO THE FUND AND THE TRANSFER FROM CAPITAL.

THANK YOU, MS. BASSI-KELLETT. ADMITTEDLY, THE BALANCE IN THAT FUND IS GROWING, BUT IT DOES ALLOW US TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DIVISION AND THE ORGANIZATION IS ABLE TO PROVIDE AND SUPPORT THE TECHNOLOGY NEEDS NOT ONLY OF THE ORGANIZATION BUT ALSO OF OUR CITIZENS.

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SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE ABLE TO PROVISION THAT SO THAT THERE IS NO INTERRUPTION TO SERVICE.

THIS IS ONE OF THOSE CASES WHERE IT IS PROBABLY EXTREMELY PRUDENT TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CUSHION.

AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, WE'RE WATCHING VERY CLOSELY ALL THESE HORRIBLE STORIES ABOUT MUNICIPALITIES AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE VICTIMS OF CYBERCRIME.

WE WOULD NEVER WANT TO SEE OURSELVES IN THAT SITUATION, AND WE CERTAINLY PUT INTO PLACE EVERY MEASURE WE CAN TO PROTECT THAT.

OUR WEAKEST LINK REMAINS OUR PEOPLE, UNFORTUNATELY, AND NO NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THEM, BUT THAT'S JUST A FACT, AND WE DO CARRY CYBER INSURANCE, BUT THAT IS PROBABLY OUR BIGGEST CONCERN RIGHT NOW, IS THAT IF SOMETHING HAPPENED, WE NEED TO GET OUR INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY INFRASTRUCTURE BACK UP AND RUNNING QUICKLY.

THANK YOU. YEAH, THANKS FOR THE ANSWER AND TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT.

YEAH, THAT GROWING RISK AND THE NEED FOR A BUFFER.

JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY RATIONALE FOR THIS PARTICULAR BUFFER.

THE CLOSING BALANCE AFTER THIS YEAR WOULD BE NEARLY THREE TIMES THE STATED BUDGET POLICY OF AN AVERAGE IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS EXPENSES.

SO IS THERE ANY POLICY GUIDING THIS PARTICULAR CLOSING BALANCE? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. I THINK WE'VE ACCRUED THIS AMOUNT JUST TO BE SAFE, AND I'LL SEE IF MS. WOODWARD WANTS TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE TO THAT.

THANK YOU, MS. BASSI-KELLETT. IT'S A LITTLE MORE THAN JUST BEING SAFE IN THAT OVER THE YEARS THERE ARE EBBS AND FLOWS IN OUR EXPENDITURE REQUIREMENTS RIGHT NOW THROUGH SOME VERY CAREFUL PLANNING AND VERY PRUDENT EXPENDITURES.

WE'RE FORTUNATE THAT WE ARE IN A VERY STABLE SITUATION.

THAT MAY NOT BE THE CASE THREE OR FOUR YEARS FROM NOW.

IF WE NEED TO MAKE A SWITCH TO SOME VERY DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGY, WE DON'T HAVE THAT CRYSTAL BALL.

SO THIS ACTUALLY HAD ITS GENESIS BACK IN THE DAY WHEN WE HAD TO BUY MAINFRAMES OR [INAUDIBLE] DEPENDING.

SO OF COURSE, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, WE HAD TO SAVE UP FOR A LONG TIME.

THAT ACTUALLY SERVED US VERY WELL AND THEREFORE WE HAVE OPTED TO TRY AND CONTINUE THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE WELL POSITIONED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE NOT THE LATEST AND GREATEST AND THE FANCIEST INGENIOUS, BUT THE MOST SUITABLE TECHNOLOGY TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT OUR EMPLOYEES AND SUPPORT THE SERVICE DELIVERY THROUGHOUT THE ORGANIZATION. SO WE DON'T HAVE A MATHEMATICAL FORMULA THAT SAYS, OH, THIS IS TOO HIGH OR WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH, BUT IF YOU LOOK HISTORICALLY, THAT HAS BEEN BUILT UP AND THEN WE WILL NEED TO HAVE SOME MAJOR REPLACEMENT OF SOMETHING.

RIGHT NOW, OUR SERVER ROOM IS VERY WELL LOOKED AFTER, VERY WELL LOVED, BUT IT COULD BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE SOME FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN THERE.

WE'VE GOT SITES ALL OVER THE CITY.

IF ANYTHING HAPPENS IN ANY ONE OF THOSE THAT WE NEED A MAJOR UPGRADE, WE COULD EAT THROUGH THAT RESERVE VERY, VERY QUICKLY.

THANK YOU.

COUNCILOR MCLENNAN, JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR MOTION.

THE FROM CAPITAL FUND, SO YOU'RE LOOKING NOT TO BE $500,000 YOU'RE LOOKING AT TO BE $295K.

YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT, AND THEN WOULD HAVE A SUBSEQUENT MOTION TO REDUCE THE TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND OR THE CAPITAL FUND BY THAT SAME AMOUNT.

YEAH, SO LOOKING TO HEAR WHAT MY COLLEAGUES THINK ON THIS, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED AND THE POTENTIAL SORT OF SUDDEN RISE OF A NEED FOR A BUNCH OF MONEY TO CHANGE OR ADDRESS AN ISSUE.

IT JUST SEEMS A BIT ODD TO ME TO JUST SORT OF BE PUTTING MONEY AWAY JUST IN CASE, WITHOUT ANY REAL CONCRETE RATIONALE [INAUDIBLE]. COUNCILOR PAYNE.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS MOTION.

WE HAVE POLICIES IN PLACE FOR FOR A REASON, AND THERE'S A LOT OF EBBS AND FLOWS OUT THERE WITH THE PUBLIC AS WELL.

EVERYBODY'S LOOKING AT RECORD FUEL PRICES FOR THIS YEAR'S HEATING, AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO KEEP OUR TAXES DOWN.

SO I DEFINITELY SUPPORT THIS.

THANK YOU. ANYTHING, COUNCILOR WARBURTON? THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I ALSO SUPPORT THIS MOTION.

I AGREE WE SHOULD HAVE A BUFFER, BUT YEAH, THE POLICY NEEDS TO BE UPDATED THEN WE SHOULD DO THAT, BUT IF IT'S THREE TIMES WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE, THEN YEAH, THAT SEEMS MORE THAN NECESSARY.

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OUR BUDGET POLICIES WERE UPDATED AND REFRESHED IN GOSH, 2020, I THINK, AND I BELIEVE WE'RE AT THE FRONT OF OUR BUDGET--FRONT OR BACK, I SHOULD KNOW THIS--FRONT OF OUR BUDGET DOCUMENT.

PAGE NINE. I GUESS I WAS SORT OF WONDERING IF THE SPECIFICALLY THIS ITEM WITHIN OR THE CONVERSATION AROUND IT, WAS WAS IT INCREASED OR STAYED THE SAME? DO WE KNOW? SORRY. MS. BASSI-KELLETT. MS. WOODWARD.

THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

THE CITY'S BUDGET POLICY DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THE INDIVIDUAL RESERVES.

IT DICTATES OR STIPULATES THAT THE RESERVE FUNDS SHALL HAVE SUFFICIENT BALANCES TO BE ABLE TO CARRY OUT THE WORK IDENTIFIED IN THE ASSET MANAGEMENT PLANS.

THANK YOU.

YEAH, I GUESS I'M NOT.

I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS TO KNOW.

YOU'VE SORT OF MADE IT CLEAR THAT YOU THINK THAT THIS AMOUNT IS NECESSARY AND THAT IT'S JUSTIFIABLE, AND SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHETHER OR NOT THIS POLICY OR THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SORT OF POLICY AROUND MAINTAINING A CERTAIN AMOUNT. BECAUSE YOU DO SEE A GENUINE RISK, AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT IF WE ARE TRYING TO GROW THIS FUND. WELL, YEAH, BECAUSE THE BUDGET POLICIES THAT RESERVE FUNDS AMOUNT SUFFICIENT TO FUND EXPENDITURES ACCORDING TO THE LONG TERM FINANCIAL PLAN AND THE ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN.

SO THERE'S NOT A SPECIFIC DOLLAR SINCE, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THE RESERVE FUND OR OF MAJOR COMMUNITY FACILITIES, WHEN WE ADD THE POOL, THAT WILL ADJUST THE ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN OF MAJOR COMMUNITY FACILITIES, BUT MS. BASSI-KELLETT SOME FURTHER INFORMATION ON THAT.

THANKS, I'LL SEE IF MISS WOODWARD WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND FURTHER.

THANK YOU, I REALLY DON'T HAVE A LOT TO ADD TO WHAT HAS BEEN SAID, OTHER THAN WE KNOW THAT AS WE ADD THINGS, FOR EXAMPLE, WE'RE ADDING THE AQUATIC CENTER, WHICH HAS A HUGE IT COMPONENT.

WE'RE EXPECTING OUR STAFF TO MAKE MORE USE OF TECHNOLOGY, THINGS LIKE TABLETS TO GATHER INFORMATION AND ASSET CONDITION ON THE FIRE TRUCKS.

THERE IS A GROWING BASE OF IT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED, REPLACED, AND THIS IS KIND OF A CONTINUOUS CIRCLE.

SO EVEN THOUGH OUR CURRENT PLAN IS NOT EXTRAVAGANT, WE'RE NOT PLANNING TO RUSH OUT AND GIVE EVERYBODY A BRAND NEW LAPTOP.

WE DO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE FUNDS IN PLACE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO NOT ONLY MEET WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT TODAY, BUT THE GROWTH WE KNOW ABOUT THAT'S COMING RIGHT DOWN THE PIPE AT US.

THANK YOU.

COUNCILOR COCHRANE HAD A QUESTION AND HE WAS WONDERING HOW MUCH ARE WE INSURED FOR IN THE IT RESERVE? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO I'M ASSUMING THE QUESTION IS ABOUT THE INSURANCE WE COVER FOR ANY SORT OF CYBER THREAT.

I ASSUME SO, WE ALSO HAVE IN THE IT RESERVE, I THINK.

ACTUAL PHYSICAL STUFF THAT COULD BE DAMAGED AND WHETHER ANY OF THAT WOULD BE INSURABLE.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

MS. WOODWARD, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS TO SHARE? THANK YOU, IF I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION CORRECTLY, ARE IT EQUIPMENT THAT IS OF SIGNIFICANT VALUE COMES UNDER OUR INSURANCE PROGRAM.

SO IN THE CASE OF A MAJOR LOSS, WE COULD PURSUE THAT AVENUE, ALTHOUGH WE DO HAVE TO REMEMBER WE HAVE A PRETTY HIGH DEDUCTIBLE JUST BECAUSE OF COSTS.

WE ALSO CARRY CYBER INSURANCE.

I'D HAVE TO CONFIRM THE AMOUNT.

I KNOW WE JUST RECENTLY INCREASED IT, BUT WE LOOKED AT A NUMBER OF OPTIONS TO CHOOSE THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE ONE.

SO I CAN DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT AND GET BACK TO YOU.

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SO THEY GET TO BE EASIER. IT'S EASIER TO ATTACK.

WE DO MAKE SURE WE WANT TO GET EVERYBODY FIRST ROUND QUESTIONS.

SO I'VE GOT YOU ON THE LIST, THOUGH.

COUNCILLOR FEQUET? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE WE GO TO ROUND TWO? FOR MYSELF, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF LEAVING THE RESERVE AS IS.

YES, WE COULD SAVE $205,000 BY REDUCING THE TRANSFER, BUT WE ARE GROWING A NUMBER OF--WE'RE JUST GROWING AS A CITY. THE NUMBER OF ASSETS, THE NUMBER OF IT THINGS.

I APPRECIATE WANTING TO GET IT AS LOW AS POSSIBLE THIS YEAR, BUT FOR ME, I ALSO WANT TO TRY TO STABILIZE SOME OF OUR STUFF.

I DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE SPIKES AND THE LOW, THE PEAKS AND THE VALLEYS.

SO FOR MYSELF, I'D BE IN FAVOR OF KEEPING THE RESERVE AS IS.

COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.

THANK YOU. YEAH, SO I JUST WANTED TO REFERENCE THE NUMBERS I WAS REFERENCING FROM PAGE 48 OF THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL QUESTIONS IN AN ANSWER REGARDING THE STAKEHOLDER COMMENTS, PARTICULARLY THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

THE RESPONSES STATED THAT THE THAT THE RESERVE IS REFRESHED BASED ON THE AVERAGE OF THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

EXPENDITURES. YEAH, 646,000.

SO THAT'S JUST WHERE I'M PULLING THOSE NUMBERS.

YEAH, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS AND AS WE GET MORE THINGS, I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE A POLICY INSTEAD OF JUST SOME SORT OF AD HOC PUTTING AWAY OF MONEY JUST BECAUSE WE THINK THERE MIGHT BE LIKE BECAUSE THERE IS A RISK BUT WITHOUT ANY QUANTIFIABLE STRATEGY.

SO, YEAH, I'M STILL IN SUPPORT.

THANK YOU, AND AS WE GET THE ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN, I THINK THAT'LL BE BECAUSE THEN IT ALIGNS WITH THE BUDGET POLICY AND THEN IT WILL BE LIKE THE MOBILE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT RESERVE.

THAT WAS REALLY GOOD TO SEE THAT.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST TIMES.

SO IF WE CAN HAVE THAT FOR IT GOING FORWARD, I'M SURE THEN IT WILL SUPPORT COUNCIL.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THE MOTION AS PRESENTED.

SO LET ME MAKE SURE THAT I'M GETTING IT RIGHT.

IT WOULD BE THE COUNCIL DIRECTS ADMINISTRATION TO REDUCE THE TRANSFER FROM THE CAPITAL FUND TO THE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY FUND--CURRENTLY THE 500,000 WOULD BE TO REDUCE IT TO 295,000 IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE CLOSING BALANCE AT THE 2022 BUDGET.

SO IF EVERYBODY IS CLEAR ON THAT ONE.

COUNCILOR MCGURK, DID YOU HAVE--NO, OKAY.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION AS PRESENTED? OPPOSED? THAT CARRIES WITH DEPUTY MAYOR SMITH AND MYSELF OPPOSED.

ANYTHING FURTHER ON THE RESERVES? COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN? THE NEXT MOTION WOULD BE COUNCIL DIRECTS ADMINISTRATION TO REDUCE THE TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND OF THE CAPITAL FUND TO 795,000. SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR FEQUET.

COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THE MOTION? YEAH, AND THE GOAL HERE IS JUST TO IN SAVING THAT 205,000 FROM THE CAPITAL FUND IS JUST TO REDUCE THAT OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A REDUCTION IN THE TAX INCREASE.

ONE CAPITAL PROJECT THAT WE CUT WAS THE AMPHITHEATER.

SO IF YOU WERE INTERESTED, A THE 75,000 COULD STAY IN THE CAPITAL FUND OR YOU COULD MAKE YOUR MOTION.

SO THAT'S 720,000.

YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA; I'D GO WITH THAT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

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SO THE MOTION WOULD BE COUNCIL DIRECTS ADMINISTRATION TO REDUCE THE TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE CAPITAL FUND TO 720,000.

SO ORIGINALLY IT'S A MILLION, BUT IT WOULD NOW BE 720,000.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? THAT CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

ANYTHING FURTHER TO RESERVE FUNDS? OH, SORRY, AND COUNCILOR COCHRAN IS SAYING HE WAS AGAINST, ALTHOUGH IT'S DELAYED.

SO IT COULD BE THE IT ONE OR THE CAPITAL FUND.

ANYTHING FURTHER ON RESERVE FUNDS? COUNCILOR MCLENNAN. THANK YOU.

SO ANOTHER MOTION.

SO ACTUALLY, SORRY, QUESTION FIRST.

DOES ADMINISTRATION HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH COUNCIL ALLOCATING THE REMAINING 25,000 FROM THE COMMUNITY GRANT RESERVE TO USE IN 2023? AND WHAT ARE THE CONSIDERATIONS WITH ALLOCATING THIS MONEY? WE ACTUALLY LOOKED TO USE THIS FOR 2023, RECOGNIZING THAT WE HAD ABOUT THREE OR FOUR GROUPS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY MULTI-YEAR AND THEY DIDN'T DO THEIR APPLICATIONS FULLY CORRECT FOR A MULTI-YEAR.

SO THEY GOT DROPPED DOWN TO A COMMUNITY.

SO THERE WILL BE A BIGGER DEMAND THIS YEAR ON COMMUNITY GRANTS.

SO IT WOULD BE RECOMMENDED TO TRANSFER THIS RESERVE TO ADD TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL BUDGET.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT ANYTHING FURTHER FROM ADMIN ON THAT ONE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I'LL ASK MS. WOODWARD IF SHE'D LIKE TO WEIGH IN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

SORRY [INAUDIBLE] GET MY NUMBERS RIGHT.

THE FORECAST BALANCE IS WHAT THE MOTION IS BEING MADE ON.

WE WILL NOT HAVE THE ACTUAL CLOSING BALANCE UNTIL YEAR END IS OVER THAT 23,000 CLOSING BALANCE.

THE 23,000 MAY NOT BE THE ACTUAL BALANCE AT THE END OF THE YEAR ONCE ALL THE GROUPS HAVE THEIR PAPERWORK SORTED OUT AND WE LOOK AT WHO'S BEEN PAID OUT AND WHO HASN'T.

SO JUST A WORD OF CAUTION ON THAT.

PERHAPS THE MOTION COULD BE WORDED IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT'S NOT TIED TO THAT AMOUNT SPECIFICALLY.

SOUNDS GOOD, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, FOR THE RECORD, COUNCILOR COCHRAN WAS AGAINST THE IT ONE, AND IN FAVOR OF THE NEXT MOTION.

YES, SO TO [INAUDIBLE] WE DO KIND OF NEED A DOLLAR FIGURE, THOUGH, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE RESERVE UNTIL APRIL AND WE'RE GOING TO DO DELIBERATIONS IN JANUARY.

WE DIDN'T ALLOCATE, THOUGH, 25,000 FROM.

SO ACTUALLY IF A USER GROUP DIDN'T USE THEIR FUNDING, THERE'LL BE A HIGHER CLOSING BALANCE, BUT.

I CAN PULL UP THE MOTION FROM OUR MARCH 2022 COUNCIL MOTION.

IF WE WANT TO TAKE A QUICK FIVE MINUTE RECESS.

FIVE MINUTE RECESS OR NINE MINUTE COME BACK AT 8:30.

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IF YOU WISH TO REMAIN IN THE CONFERENCE, PLEASE PRESS STAR ONE.

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HAD A GOOD LITTLE CHIT CHAT.

SO THE COMMUNITY GRANT RESERVE, WE DON'T HAVE TO TRANSFER THE FUNDS TO MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

THE COMMITTEE CAN JUST USE ANY OF THE OUTSTANDING BALANCE WHEN THEY COME TO DELIBERATE IN 2023 AND WHEN THEY COME TO DELIBERATE IN 2023.

BY FEBRUARY, CORPORATE SERVICES IS GOING TO AIM TO HAVE THE NUMBER.

HOWEVER, JUMPING AHEAD IN YOUR MOTION TO THE ARCTIC INSPIRATION PRIZE [INAUDIBLE] THAT STILL THE COMMUNITY SERVICE COMMUNITY GRANT RESERVE SHOULD ONLY BE USED FOR PROJECTS THAT ARE UNDER THE COMMUNITY GRANT POLICY, AND AS AIP ISN'T ELIGIBLE UNDER THE COMMUNITY GRANT POLICY, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TAP INTO THAT RESERVE TO FUND THAT.

SO IF COUNCIL DID WANT TO PROVIDE THE 10,000, IT SHOULD JUST BE AN INCREASE TO MAYOR AND COUNCIL LINE ITEM LIKE GENERAL SERVICES, PERHAPS, AS OPPOSED TO MATERIALS, BECAUSE GENERAL SERVICES IS ABOUT PUBLIC RELATIONS WORK.

SO JUST A BIT OF INFORMATION THERE.

COUNCILOR MCLENNAN. YEAH, THANKS A LOT FOR THAT INFORMATION.

I THINK I'LL SIT ON THAT ONE OVERNIGHT AND POTENTIALLY BRING SOMETHING FORWARD TOMORROW.

SOUNDS GOOD. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE RESERVES?

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NEXT, WE HAVE LONG TERM DEBT.

ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE.

NEXT, WE HAVE THE TEN YEAR CAPITAL PLAN.

FOR TEN YEAR CAPITAL PLAN OR THE LONG TERM DEBT.

PERFECT. COUNCILOR WARBURTON.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I'M ASSUMING THESE ARE ALL LIKE VERY LONG TERM FIXED RATES ON THESE, BASICALLY IS THERE ANY RISK OR ANY VARIABILITY IN THESE IF THINGS GO HAYWIRE HERE NEXT YEAR OR SO? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

GREAT QUESTION. I'LL TURN IT TO MISS WOODWARD, BUT I DO WANT TO JUST GLEEFULLY EXHALE OVER THE FACT THAT WE WERE WITHIN A DAY.

WE GOT LOCKED IN ON OUR BORROWING FOR THE AQUATIC CENTER BEFORE RATES SHOT UP, AND THAT WAS A MARVELOUS FEELING.

OVER TO YOU, MS. WOODWARD, TO SPEAK ABOUT OUR LONG TERM TERMS OF INVESTMENT AND DEBT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

KIND OF HARD TO FOLLOW THAT BIT OF GOOD NEWS, BUT BASICALLY THE CITIES, TOWNS AND VILLAGES, THAT DOES NOT ALLOW US TO TAKE ANY RISKS WHEN WE INVEST.

SO EVERYTHING IS AT KNOW ON INTEREST RATES, WE DO DO SOME SWAP ARRANGEMENTS ON OUR MULTIPLEX AND--SORRY, WATER TREATMENT PLANT DEBT, BUT THAT IS IN EVERYONE'S BEST INTEREST.

IT WILL NOT EXCEED THE FIXED UPPER LIMIT OF THE INTEREST RATE.

SO IT'S VERY, VERY PREDICTABLE AND VERY SAFE BECAUSE WE WOULD ONLY MAKE THOSE KIND OF INVESTMENTS, BUT WE'RE LEGISLATED TO AS WELL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, AND OBVIOUSLY THE CAPITAL MARKET IS GETTING VERY HARD.

I KNOW WE HAVE SOME BIG PROJECTS COMING UP DEBT WISE.

I IT HARD TO PLACE DEBT? AND DO YOU SEE IT GETTING HARDER TO PLACE DEBT? IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT ANY OF OUR CAPITAL PLANS GOING FORWARD? WE ALSO, AS PER THE CITIES, TOWNS AND VILLAGES CAN ONLY BORROW WITH A REFERENDUM OR IF IT'S REGULATORY LIKE THE WATER TREATMENT PLAN, WE DIDN'T HAVE TO GO TO A REFERENDUM, BUT THE POOL WE DID BECAUSE WE NEEDED THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT.

THERE'S NO YES OR NO TO THAT QUESTION.

SO, MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

MS. WOODWARD. THANK YOU, AS HAS BEEN STATED, WE BORROW VERY SELDOM.

WE DO NOT HAVE ANY BORROWING ANTICIPATED IN THIS TEN YEAR CAPITAL PLAN.

I SAY THAT BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY AVAILABLE TO US, WE ALL KNOW THAT PRICES ARE INCREASING.

WE'RE SEEING SOME NUMBERS COME IN VERY HIGH, BUT WE WILL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO AVOID HAVING TO BORROW.

THAT'S AN EXPENSIVE WAY TO BUILD THINGS IF IT CAN BE EASILY MITIGATED.

THANK YOU. AWESOME, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YEAH, JUST IT'S NOTED THAT THERE'S SOME DISPARITIES IN THE COUNTRY HAVING A HARD TIME PLACING DEBT CURRENTLY JUST BECAUSE RATES ARE TOO VARIABLE AND NO ONE'S TO LOCK IT IN.

SO I'M GLAD TO SEE THERE'S NO DEBT PLAN FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS, AND I APPRECIATE IT.

BECAUSE THERE'S KIND OF THE FINGERS CROSSED WITH THE SUBMARINE LINE AND ALL THAT FUN STUFF, BUT ANYTHING FURTHER ON LONG TERM DEBTS? SEEING NONE, NEXT WE HAVE THE TEN YEAR CAPITAL PLAN, WHICH IS A BIT OF AN FYI SO FOLKS CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT SOME PRETTY HEAVY LOADS FOR 2023, 2024, 2025, AND THEN COME 2026 WE KIND OF GET BACK TO OUR REGULAR 18 TO $19 MILLION WORTH OF CAPITAL, BUT FOR THE START OF OUR TERM WE GET SOME HEAVY CAPITAL PROJECTS.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THE TEN YEAR CAPITAL PLAN? SEEING NONE.

THAT'S IT. THAT'S ALL, BUT I DID WANT TO CIRCLE BACK TO A FEW QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM LAST NIGHT.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT, DID YOU OR I GUESS GENERAL QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? ANYTHING OUTSTANDING FOR QUESTIONS.

COUNCILLOR FEQUET AND THEN COUNCILLLOR MCLENNAN.

THANKS, MADAM CHAIR. JUST WONDERING IF STAFF HAVE AN UPDATE FOR US WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT PROPOSED TAX RATE, AS BEST YOU CAN GUESS, BASED ON THE DECISIONS SO FAR. MS. SUE DOES NOT GUESS. [CHUCKLING] DO WE NEED A MINUTE TO CALCULATE THAT? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MS. WOODWARD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO KEEP TRACK OF EVERYTHING, BUT IF COUNCIL IS IN AGREEMENT, WE WOULD APPRECIATE ABOUT 10 MINUTES JUST TO DOUBLE CHECK OUR WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MCLENNAN? YEAH, ONE GENERAL MOTION I WAS GOING TO PUT FORWARD HAS TO DO WITH THE RATE RATIO POLICY.

JUST BASED ON THE EXPERIENCE LAST YEAR AND FEEDBACK FROM GROUPS LIKE THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

SO YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE TO PUT FORWARD A MOTION IF IT'S A GOOD TIME NOW FOR COUNCIL TO DIRECT ADMINISTRATION TO DRAFT A MILL RATE RATIO POLICY.

THANK YOU, SECOND BY COUNCILOR FEQUET.

ANY DISCUSSION? COUNCILOR MCLENNAN, DID YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING FURTHER? YEAH, IN THIS YEAR'S WORK PLAN, AND YEAH, JUST BASED ON THE EXPERIENCE THIS YEAR AND FEEDBACK FROM USER GROUPS.

COUNCILLOR WARBURTON, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT? YES, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

I'LL BE IN SUPPORT OF THIS MOTION.

I THINK CREATING THAT POLICY.

I APPRECIATE WE CAN'T SET MILL RATES DUE TO A LOT OF REASONS UNTIL LATER IN THE YEAR, BUT THIS WILL GIVE SOME CERTAINTY, I THINK, TO FOLKS THAT WE HAVE A FRAMEWORK GOING FORWARD AND IT WON'T JUMP AROUND AND BURDEN DIFFERENT CLASSES OF PROPERTY.

COUNCILOR COCHRAN IS IN FAVOR, TOO, AND I THINK ADMIN PROBABLY WOULD APPRECIATE IT SO THAT THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO REPEAT THIS CONVERSATION AND HAVE ONE BIG GENERAL POLICY DISCUSSION. MS. BASSI-KELLETT, ANY COMMENTS OR CONCERNS FROM ADMINISTRATION ON DRAFTING A MILITARY POLICY? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YEAH, WE FELT THE BURDEN VERY MUCH SO.

IT WAS A LOT OF LAST MINUTE CHANGES WITHIN ADMINISTRATION LAST YEAR AFTER COUNCIL MADE A DECISION IN APRIL TO SHIFT THE BURDEN.

THERE IS A VERY, VERY DEFINED SEQUENCE OF ACTIONS THAT MUST BE FOLLOWED UNDER THE PROPERTY TAXATION AND PATA SORRY PROPERTY ASSESSMENT AND TAXATION ACT.

SO THERE'S VERY CLEAR TIMELINES THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THERE.

WE WILL TAKE THIS BACK TO SEE IF WE'RE ABLE TO DELIVER ON THIS IN TIME TO ALIGN WITH DISCUSSIONS THAT WOULD HAPPEN IN APRIL.

THAT MIGHT BE EXCEEDINGLY TIGHT FOR US, GIVEN A FEW OTHER THINGS THAT GO ON WITHIN THAT WINDOW, INCLUDING WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR AUDITORS TO WRAP UP 2022. SO WE WILL TAKE THIS UNDER ADVISEMENT, BUT I'LL SEE IF MS. WOODWARD WOULD LIKE TO ADD ANY COMMENTS TO THIS.

SHE IS OUR EXPERT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE UNDERSTAND COUNCIL'S DESIRE FOR PREDICTABILITY WHEN IT COMES TO THIS KIND OF THING, AND WE WOULD WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ARE DOING SO THAT WE CAN BRING FORWARD A FULSOME SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS.

I DO THINK IT WOULD BE OVERLY OPTIMISTIC TO EXPECT THIS TO BE DONE IN TIME TO SET THE 2023 RATES, BUT WE WOULD CERTAINLY BRING IT FORWARD IN TIME TO INFORM NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET AND OBVIOUSLY THE 2024 TAX DECISIONS.

THANK YOU. YEAH, AND IF WE CAN JUST MAYBE COME MONDAY, WE'LL HAVE THAT BIG MOTION WITH ALL THE DOLLARS AND CENTS IN IT, AND THEN IF WE CAN HAVE A SECOND PART TO THAT MOTION SO THAT WE CAN CAPTURE IT THERE, THAT COUNCIL DIRECT ADMINISTRATION TO DRAFT A MIDDLE RATE POLICY.

I THINK THAT WILL JUST PROVIDE SOME GOOD CLARITY.

ANYTHING FURTHER? NO, JUST ANYTHING FURTHER ON THIS MOTION AS PRESENTED.

SEEING NONE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AND THAT CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY BECAUSE COUNCILOR COCHRAN WAS ALSO IN FAVOR.

COUNCILOR HENDRICKSEN, YOU HAD A QUESTION? YES, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

JUST FOLLOWING UP FROM LAST NIGHT, I HAD THE QUESTION AROUND THE JOB EVALUATION CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM.

I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY FURTHER INFORMATION FROM ADMINISTRATION ON THAT WORK AND THE FACT THAT IN THE DRAFT BUDGET IT SAYS REVIEW.

SO IS IT TRULY JUST A REVIEW THAT'S PROPOSED OR IS IT A REVIEW RECOMMENDATION, IMPLEMENTATION, BEGINNING THOSE TYPES OF QUESTIONS.

THANKS.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP IN WRITING WITH THIS AS WELL, BUT I'LL TRY THIS AGAIN BECAUSE IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A COMPLICATED THING TO DO, PARTICULARLY WITH WORKING IN OUR UNIONIZED ENVIRONMENT THAT WE DO.

SO OUR CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM RIGHT NOW THAT WE USE TO EVALUATE JOBS IS 30 YEARS OLD AND IT WAS DESIGNED AROUND EQUAL PAY FOR WORK OF EQUAL VALUE, BECAUSE AT THE TIME, BACK IN THE DAY AND WHEN THIS CAME ABOUT, THERE WERE LOTS OF DISCREPANCIES BETWEEN HOW TYPICALLY FEMALE DOMINATED JOBS WERE EVALUATED OR PAID VERSUS HOW MALE DOMINATED JOBS WERE EVALUATED OR PAID, AND SO THIS WAS MEANT TO BE A GENDER NEUTRAL WAY OF EVALUATING WORK THAT WAS BASED

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SO THE INTENT IS FOR CLASSIFICATION TO CONFIRM THE RELATIVE JOB WORTH, AND IT'S USING A CONSISTENT LENS TO LOOK AT ADMIN ASSISTANTS, LIFEGUARDS, HEAVY EQUIPMENT OPERATORS. I THINK I TALKED YESTERDAY ABOUT WE'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATION SYSTEMS RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE ONE FOR OUR UNIONIZED STAFF AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY WE ADDED ONE FOR MANAGEMENT AND EXCLUDED STAFF, AND SO WE WANT TO LOOK AT THESE TWO TO SEE, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS 30 PLUS YEARS AGO, MAYBE THOSE TWO DIFFERENT WAYS OF DOING THINGS ARE STILL THE MOST APPROPRIATE WAY TO DO IT.

MAYBE ONE OVERALL JOB EVALUATION SYSTEM MAKES MORE SENSE.

I KNOW THAT THE GNWT, FOR EXAMPLE, JUST USES THE [INAUDIBLE] SYSTEM.

THAT'S A VERY, VERY BIG SYSTEM.

I DON'T RECOMMEND THAT IT WOULD BE THE RIGHT FIT FOR US, BUT THAT IS A CASE WHERE THEY USE ONE THAT FITS UNIONIZED, NON-UNIONIZED AND EXECUTIVE LEVEL STAFF.

SO JUST TO TRY TO CRYSTALLIZE WHAT THE ISSUE IS AROUND THIS IS THAT WE'RE OUTDATED AND THIS RIGHT NOW IS ACTUALLY A DETERRENT TO REALLY PROGRESSIVE RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION EFFORTS. IT'S REALLY OLD.

IT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT'S BEEN POINTED OUT THAT WE HAVE SOME GOVERNMENT UNIONIZED GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, NOT US, BUT OTHERS OUT THERE, THAT THERE HAVE BEEN CLAIMS MADE BECAUSE JOB EVALUATIONS HAVE STRAYED SO FAR FROM WHAT THE ACTUAL JOB EVALUATION AND CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM WAS, THAT THERE IS NO LONGER THAT EQUAL PAY FOR WORK OF EQUAL VALUE, AND THERE HAVE BEEN PAYMENTS PAID THROUGH GRIEVANCES.

SO WE'RE MINDFUL OF THAT.

I DON'T MEAN TO FEAR MONGER WITH THAT, BUT WE ARE WATCHING WHAT GOES ON THERE.

SO WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR SYSTEM, WE KNOW THAT HAVING THE TWO SYSTEMS, DOES THAT STILL WORK OR DO WE GO TO ONE? IF IT'S GOING TO ONE, THEN WE WOULD CONCEIVABLY BE LOOKING AT WHAT'S GOING TO MAKE THE MOST SENSE FOR YELLOWKNIFE.

THERE ARE DIFFERENT CORPORATIONS OUT THERE.

THERE ARE DIFFERENT MODELS FOR JOB EVALUATION THAT MIGHT BE BEST, THAT WE STICK WITH THE MODEL THAT WE HAVE AND UPDATE IT.

IT MIGHT BE THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF A FRAMEWORK OUT THERE THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE TO BE ABLE TO USE.

SO WE WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT BEST PRACTICES ARE WITH MUNICIPALITIES OF OUR COMPARABLE SIZE TO US RIGHT NOW TO SEE HOW THEY'RE DOING THINGS MOST EFFECTIVELY.

SO AGAIN, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE FACING? WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE A RANGE OF PROFESSIONAL POSITIONS.

ONE OF THE THINGS THIS IS AN ASIDE, MOST OF THE POSITIONS AT THE CITY, THE DE FACTO PLACE THAT WE GO TO, IS THAT THEY WILL BE UNIONIZED POSITIONS, AND THAT'S BASED ON OUR BARGAINING CERTIFICATE FROM THE CANADIAN INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS BOARD.

SO IT BASICALLY SAYS ANY NEW POSITIONS THAT COME TO THE CITY ARE GOING TO BE UNIONIZED UNLESS WE SEEK OUT A SPECIFIC EXEMPTION.

SO THAT'S WHY WE OFTEN HAVE ENGINEERS, PLANNERS, LAWYERS THAT ARE IN UNIONIZED POSITIONS , AND FRANKLY, RIGHT NOW THOSE POSITIONS WE CAN'T STAFF INTO THE PAY GRADE OR INTO THE EVALUATION RANGE WHERE WE HAVE THOSE PROFESSIONS WE JUST CAN'T STAFF, AND SO THAT'S A REAL PROBLEM FOR US RIGHT NOW.

SO WE NEED AS WELL TO REALLY UPDATE OUR POSITION DESCRIPTIONS.

THERE'S BEEN FORMAT [INAUDIBLE].

THERE ARE AS MANY DIFFERENT KINDS OF TEMPLATES OUT THERE.

WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY CONSISTENT IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO STAY WITH THE EXISTING THE EVALUATION FRAMEWORK.

WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY GOING FOR THE SAME CRITERIA THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO APPLY IN THOSE JOB DESCRIPTIONS.

SO THOSE NEED TO BE REFRAMED AND REDONE.

SO REALLY WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS WE WANT TO GO OUT TO RFP, WE WANT TO LOOK AT AND AGAIN, WE'LL NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF.

HOMEWORK IN HOUSE TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S UPDATING WHAT WE HAVE EXISTING OR IF WE WANT TO LOOK TO A NEW MODEL.

WHAT'S GOING TO MAKE THE MOST SENSE FOR US? YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT'S EASIER TO BUILD A NEW HOUSE, THAN IT IS TO RENOVATE AN OLD ONE.

SO WE WANT TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF THINKING AROUND THAT.

WE WANT TO HAVE A MODERNIZED CLASSIFICATION FRAMEWORK FOR THE CITY.

WE WANT TO HAVE TOOLS TO DO JOB CLASSIFICATION ONWARDS SO THAT FOR FUTURE POSITIONS THAT ARE CREATED, WE WANT TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO EVALUATE AND CLASSIFY THOSE BASED ON THE SAME FRAMEWORK THAT WE'RE USING FOR ALL OTHER JOBS THAT CURRENTLY EXIST, AND WE NEED TO HAVE, OF COURSE, THE JOB DESCRIPTION REWRITES INTO A CONSISTENT FORMAT THAT ALIGNS WITH THIS CLASSIFICATION FRAMEWORK.

SO I MENTIONED YESTERDAY, IT'S A REAL DETERRENT FOR US RIGHT NOW.

IT MAKES IT VERY CHALLENGING FOR US TO HIRE INTO SOME OF THE PROFESSIONS.

FOR EXAMPLE, ENGINEERS, RIGHT NOW, WE ARE AT THE HIGHEST PAY RANGE OF UNIONIZED STAFF.

THAT'S WHERE WE TYPICALLY HIRE.

STILL, THAT PAY GRADE GETS US AN ENTRY LEVEL ENGINEER MOST OFTEN THAN NOT, AND THEY'RE VERY SKILLED AND THEY'RE OF COURSE, VERY GOOD, BUT THEY ARE LEARNING THE ROPES AS THEY START AT THAT POSITION.

WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE A JUNIOR ENGINEER THEN AN ENGINEER THEN A SENIOR ENGINEER.

SO WE FIND THAT WE DON'T HAVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO GROW THEIR SKILLS, TO TAKE ON INCREASINGLY MORE COMPLEX JOBS AND THEN BE ABLE TO OR TASKS AND THEN BE ABLE TO

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WOULD THEY LIKE TO BE A MANAGER OR ARE THEY LOOKING AT SOMETHING ELSE WITHIN THE CITY? SO THAT'S A REAL CHALLENGE FOR US RIGHT NOW.

WE KNOW AS WELL THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO--WE DON'T PAY MARKET RATES FOR SOME OF THOSE HARD TO FILL POSITIONS.

SO THAT MAKES US NOT BE COMPETITIVE AT ALL AND PEOPLE WILL GO ELSEWHERE.

WE KNOW AS WELL WE CAN'T HIRE APPRENTICES OR INTERNS SINCE THESE AREN'T BUILT INTO THE CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM, AND BOY, WOULD THAT EVER BE GREAT IF WE COULD, BUT WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE MECHANISM TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW, AND SO AS WE'VE JUST COME OFF OF AND GPC WILL BE GETTING A BRIEFING EARLY IN THE NEW YEAR OF A TALENT MANAGEMENT STRATEGY THAT WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT ON WITH A CONSULTING FIRM, MMP.

THEY WORKED WITH US OVER 2022 TO DEVELOP THIS PRODUCT.

TALENT MANAGEMENT INCLUDES ATTRACTION, RECRUITMENT, HOW WE MARKET OURSELVES, HOW WE UNDERTAKE SUCCESSION PLANNING, RIGHT UP TO HOW WE LOOK AT CELEBRATING SOMEONE'S EXIT FROM THE CORPORATION, AND RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE SOME OF THOSE FOUNDATIONAL PIECES THAT A CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM WOULD GIVE US.

WE'RE JUST REALLY WEAK ON THAT AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE HAVING A STRONG, ROBUST SYSTEM THAT MAKES US AS COMPETITIVE AS POSSIBLE.

SO THOSE ARE THE KEY REASONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THIS.

WE SEE THAT THE WORK IS GOING TO BE VERY MUCH INVOLVED IN FINDING THE RIGHT FIT FOR AN EVALUATION SYSTEM FOR US, MAKING SURE THAT FRAMEWORK WORKS FOR US, THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO USE THAT FRAMEWORK TO EVALUATE FUTURE JOBS, AND THAT WE'VE GOT JOB DESCRIPTIONS THAT ARE DRAFTED AND REWRITTEN AND THAT ARE ABLE TO REALLY REFLECT WHAT THOSE KEY KNOWLEDGE, SKILLS AND ABILITIES ARE THAT WE'RE SEEKING OUT FOR THE POSITIONS THAT WE HAVE.

I'M HOPING THAT'S HELPFUL AND I WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT, AND JUST IT WAS NEVER A QUESTION OF IF THIS WORK SHOULD BE DONE.

IT WAS MORE AT THAT PRICE FOR A REVIEW AND YOU'VE EXPLAINED IT IN FULL AND TALKED ABOUT HOW ADMINISTRATION WILL BE DOING THE HOMEWORK IN-HOUSE FIRST. SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WAS THAT THE MONEY ISN'T JUST FOR A CONSULTANT TO DO THE REVIEW THAT WE NEED TO BE DOING AS AN ORGANIZATION FIRST.

SO THANKS FOR ANSWERING THAT PIECE OF IT SPECIFICALLY, BUT THEN, GIVING THE BROADER SCOPE FOR ANYBODY ELSE LISTENING IN FOR THE BROADER WORK THAT NEEDS TO GET DONE AND IS CLEAR THAT IT NEEDS TO GET DONE AFTER PUSHING 40 YEARS NOW.

SO THANKS FOR THAT. THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR FEQUET. YEAH, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE DOING KIND OF CLOSING COMMENTS HERE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO I GUESS THIS IS A COMMENT JUST BUILDING OFF OF A FEW OF THE COMMENTS FROM OTHER COUNCILLORS.

OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS, I THINK WE RECOGNIZE THAT OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT . MS. THISTLE HAS A SMALL AND MIGHTY TEAM, BUT A LOT OF OUR STRATEGIES ARE UNDER THERE.

I THINK THERE WERE SEVEN THAT WAS MENTIONED THAT WERE UNDER THAT TEAM'S PURVIEW AND THAT THERE'S NOT REALLY ANY MONEY, AND THAT MONEY MAY NOT EVEN SOLVE THE PROBLEM BECAUSE IT'S MORE ABOUT FILLING THE STAFF TO GET THE TEAM WORKING, AND, YOU KNOW, ONCE THERE'S MORE PEOPLE, THEN WE CAN DO MORE THINGS.

SO I GUESS IT'S MORE JUST AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR ALL THOSE STRATEGIES ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THE GROWTH STRATEGY AND I SUSPECT THAT MAYBE THE BEST PLACE TO CONTINUE THIS REALLY IMPORTANT CONVERSATION IS PROBABLY DURING OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION IN FEBRUARY ABOUT HOW WE CAN GET THOSE THINGS MOVING, BECAUSE I GUESS I JUST DON'T WANT TO LEAVE HERE WITH ANYBODY LISTENING OR SITTING AROUND THIS TABLE THINKING THAT WE DON'T WANT TO SUPPORT THESE THINGS.

WE DO AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SUPPORT STAFF AND GETTING THOSE DONE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT ON BEHALF OF ALL THOSE SIMILAR COMMENTS TO REALLY MAKE SURE WE GET SOME TRACTION ON THOSE STRATEGIES AND HELP THE STAFF ACHIEVE ALL OF THOSE IMPLEMENTATION PLANS, MANY OF WHICH HAVE BEEN APPROVED.

THANK YOU. YEAH, AND AS MUCH AS IT'S BUDGET WEEK, REALLY, IT'S BUDGET ALL YEAR, AND BECAUSE THE BUDGET'S THE ROLL UP OF ALL THE MOTIONS THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO APPROVE IN THE COMING YEAR.

COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN. YES, SO JUST LET ME GET A HANDLE ON WHERE I'M AT HERE.

SO, YEAH, JUST A COMMENT AND THEN A COUPLE OF RELATED MOTIONS, SEEING AS WE'RE SORT OF WRAPPING UP THE COMMENT.

YEAH, SORT OF RELATED TO WHAT COUNCILLOR FEQUET IS SAYING, YEAH, REALLY KEEN TO SEE SEVERAL OF THOSE STRATEGIES MOVE FORWARD [INAUDIBLE] REALLY AND ESPECIALLY FOR ME THE GROWTH STRATEGY.

YEAH, AND IT IS SORT OF I'M SAYING FRUSTRATING FOR ME, BUT I'M SURE IT'S MUCH MORE FRUSTRATING FOR STAFF IF I SAY IF WE GIVE YOU SOME MONEY, COULD YOU MOVE SOME OF THESE FORWARD AND SAYING, WELL, NO, NOT REALLY.

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SO THEN MOVING ON TO A MOTION I WOULD PUT ON THE FLOOR THAT COUNCIL ADMINISTRATION TO ADD $10,000 TO MAYOR AND COUNCIL GENERAL SERVICES TO ALLOCATE TO THE ARCTIC INSPIRATION PRIZE AND SEPARATE MOTION.

SORRY, I CAN GET A SECOND.

SECONDER, COUNCILOR PAYNE.

AND THEN SORT OF A COROLLARY MOTION WOULD BE TO LET ME FIND IT FOR COUNCIL TO RECOMMEND THAT THE NWT ASSOCIATION OF COMMUNITIES CONSIDER SPONSORING THE ARCTIC INSPIRATION PRIZE ON BEHALF OF ALL COMMUNITIES IN THE NORTHWEST TERRITORIES IN FUTURE YEARS, AND JUST LOOKING AT ALL THE GREAT WORK THAT THIS PROJECT HAS DONE AND THE EFFECT IT'S HAD IN YELLOWKNIFE FROM THE ARCTIC INDIGENOUS WILDNESS PROJECT FOXY ARTSPACE [INAUDIBLE].

YEAH, THEY DO GREAT WORK AND I'D LOVE TO SEE THE CITY CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THAT AND LOOK FOR A WAY FOR YEAH, ASSOCIATION OF COMMUNITIES TO DO THAT ON BEHALF OF ALL COMMUNITIES IN NORTH.

OKAY, SO IT'S THAT WE ADD 10,000 TO MAYOR AND COUNCIL GENERAL SERVICES FOR THE ARCTIC INSPIRATION PRIZE, AND THE COUNCIL RECOMMEND THAT THE NWT ASSOCIATION OF COMMUNITIES CONSIDER SPONSORING THE ARCTIC INSPIRATION PRIZE ON BEHALF OF ALL COMMUNITIES IN THE NORTHWEST TERRITORIES IN FUTURE YEARS.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION AS PRESENTED? COUNCILLOR MCGURK. I WANT TO NOTE THAT THE NONPROFIT FOR WHICH I AM THE ACTING EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, HAS RECEIVED ARCTIC CONSERVATION PRIZE FUNDING, AND SO I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BUT WOULD LIKE IT TO BE KNOWN, I SUPPOSE . AS LONG AS YOU AREN'T APPLYING FOR UPCOMING YEARS, AND AS LONG AS YOU CAN APPROACH THIS DISCUSSION WITH AN OPEN MIND, THEN PERFECT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION AS PRESENTED? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? THAT CARRIES, AND COUNCILOR COCHRANE IS IN FAVOR.

SO THAT CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

JUST HAD ONE FURTHER ONE WHICH IS AN IN CAMERA MATTER CONTRACT MATTER.

IF WE CAN GET A MOTION TO MOVE IN CAMERA MOVE BY COUNCILOR FEQUET SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR ARDEN-SMITH.

ANYBODY OPPOSED? SEEING NONE. WE CAN GO IN CAMERA.

WE'LL CALL YOU THERE, GARRETT.

[INAUDIBLE] ON THURSDAY.

SO NO BUSINESS ARISING BUT THE LONG AWAITED MS. BASSI-KELLETT. DO WE HAVE A CURRENT CURRENT PROJECTION? BECAUSE THIS IS JUST DRAFT UNTIL WE COME TO APRIL AND WE SEE EVERYBODY'S ASSESSMENT.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT DRAFT BUDGET PROJECTIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WITH NO FURTHER ADO, I WILL TURN TO OUR EXPERTS IN CORPORATE SERVICES TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE PERCENT INCREASE IN TAXES LOOKS LIKE NOW BASED ON COUNCIL'S DECISIONS.

MISS WOODWARD, MS. SUE, OVER TO YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

BASED ON THE MOTIONS THAT COUNCIL HAS PASSED DURING DELIBERATIONS, THE PROJECTED 2023 TAX INCREASE WILL BE 4.37%.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

PRETTY IMPRESSIVE FROM 11.85% DOWN TO 4.37.

SO THANKS TO ADMINISTRATION AND MY COLLEAGUES FOR ALL THE WORK WE'LL SEE OF OUR BIG COMMENTS.

YOU CAN THINK ABOUT THEM BETWEEN NOW AND MONDAY, AND THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN KIND OF DO YOUR THOUGHTS ON BUDGET, BUT WITH THAT, IF THERE ARE ANY FURTHER

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WE'LL ADD THAT SECOND MOTION ABOUT THE MILL RATE AND THEN THE MINUTES WILL REFLECT ALL OF THE LITTLE MOTIONS THAT WE WE'VE DONE OVER THE PAST TWO NIGHTS. WITH THAT, IF I CAN GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

MOVED BY DEPUTY MAYOR ARDEN-SMITH, SECONDED BY COUNCILOR PAYNE, ANYBODY OPPOSED [LAUGHTER] AND A BIG THING TO COUNCILLOR COCHRAN I KNOW, CAN BE KIND OF PAINFUL DELIBERATING OVER THE PHONE.

SO REALLY APPRECIATE IT, AND JUST TO REMINDER THAT WE HAVE CHRISTMAS LIGHTS ACROSS CANADA THAT ARE GOING TO TURN ON 5 P.M.

AT [INAUDIBLE]. IT WILL BE CHILLY, SO DRESS WARM.

THERE'LL BE SOME SNOW FUN APPARENTLY FROM 4:45 TO 5 OR JUST COME RIGHT AT FIVE AND SEE--NO, COME EARLY, COME EARLY, DRESS WARM. YEAH, THEN GO SHOPPING DOWNTOWN SHOPPING EVENTS, ALL THAT FUN STUFF.

ANYWAYS, SEE EVERYBODY LATER THIS WEEK AND MONDAY.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.