Dec 05, 2022 Special Governance & Priorities Committee

AND I'LL CALL OUR SPECIAL GOVERNANCE AND PRIORITIES COMMITTEE MEETING FOR MONDAY, DECEMBER 5TH, 2022, TO ORDER.

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FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL, IT'S BEEN THE TRADITIONAL LAND OF THE LIVES DENE FIRST NATION.

WE RESPECT THE HISTORIES, LANGUAGES AND CULTURES OF ALL OTHER INDIGENOUS PEOPLES, INCLUDING THE NORTH SLAVE METIS AND ALL FIRST NATIONS METIS, AND INUIT, WHOSE PRESENCE CONTINUES TO ENRICH OUR VIBRANT COMMUNITY.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD? WELL, NO THERE'S NOTHING FURTHER TO THE AGENDA.

IT'S ONLY BUDGET.

[3. Disclosure of pecuniary interest and the general nature thereof.]

IF YOU DO WANT TO DECLARE IT NOW OR YOU CAN, AS IT COMES UP, YOU CAN NOTE IT.

BUT COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.

SO I DON'T THINK WE'LL GET TO THIS ONE TODAY.

BUT JUST IN AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, I WANT TO BRING FORWARD A POTENTIAL CONFLICT.

IN ANTICIPATION OF OUR DISCUSSION OF THE PAVING PROGRAM.

I'D LIKE TO FLAG I'M A PAST EMPLOYEE OF AMIK AIR, WHICH IS A BUSINESS LOCATED ON WILEY ROAD.

I HAVE A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE OWNER AND HAVE LIVED EXPERIENCE IN HOW CHALLENGING, IF EVEN POSSIBLE, IT WOULD BE TO OPERATE THE BUSINESS WHILE WILEY'S BEING PAVED. I'M NO LONGER AN EMPLOYEE AND I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PERSONALLY TO PERSONALLY TO GAIN.

I HAVEN'T TALKED TO ANYONE AT THE BUSINESS ABOUT IT, BUT SO I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S A CONFLICT.

BUT AFTER CONVERSATION WITH THE INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER JUST WANTED TO BRING IT UP IN CASE ANY OF MY COLLEAGUES HAD AN ISSUE.

OKAY THANK YOU.

ANYTHING FURTHER? AGAIN, IF ANYTHING COMES UP WHILE WE'RE DELIBERATING, YOU CAN JUST THROW YOUR HAND UP AND EXCUSE YOURSELF AT THAT TIME.

SO 2023 BUDGET DELIBERATIONS.

[4. 2023 Budget Deliberations.]

SO DON'T EVEN KNOW FOR MS. SUE HOW MANY BUDGETS IT'S BEEN.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT IF YOU'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE ANY OPENING COMMENTS ON IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.

ABSOLUTELY. WE'RE REALLY PLEASED TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH COUNCIL TO DELIVER ON A BUDGET FOR 2023 THAT'S GOING TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY BOTH NOW AND INTO THE FUTURE, WHILE ALSO RECOGNIZING THAT WE DO HAVE A LOT OF REVERBERATIONS COMING OUT OF COVID. WE KNOW THAT THE WORK THAT'S UNDERWAY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE REVERBERATIONS, WE'RE SEEING THEM STILL IN HOSPITALITY IN OTHER BUSINESS SECTORS.

WE'RE ALSO SEEING THE IMPACTS OF INFLATION ON RESIDENTS.

AND SO WE DO KNOW THAT IT'S QUITE A BALANCING ACT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

EVERY YEAR, PRESENTS ITS OWN CHALLENGES WHEN IT COMES TO THE BUDGET AND VERY DIFFICULT DECISIONS FOR COUNCIL.

AND OUR ANNUAL BUDGET DOES AIM FOR A BALANCE BETWEEN SETTING A REASONABLE TAX RATE AND DELIVERING THE SERVICES THAT RESIDENTS RELY ON AND EXPECT.

COMMON CHALLENGES FOR US, WE KNOW THE BUDGET HAS TO BALANCE.

THAT'S PART OF OUR LEGISLATION AND THAT'S REQUIRED.

WE KNOW THAT THERE IS.

HOW CAN I PUT THIS NICELY OFF LOADING DOWNLOADING HAPPENS FROM OTHER ORDERS OF GOVERNMENT, ALONG WITH INCREASED PRESSURE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SERVICES.

WE KNOW THE INCREASING REGULATIONS.

WE ONLY SAW THAT VERY WELL FROM THE PRESENTATION THAT MR. GREENCORN DID AT LUNCH AROUND THE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS THAT WERE CLEARLY NOT IN PLACE IN 1969 WHEN THE WATER SUBMARINE LINE WAS FIRST INSTALLED COMPARED TO WHAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH NOW.

WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE AGING INFRASTRUCTURE AND WE HAVE SOME VERY, VERY INCREASING AND VOLATILE CONSTRUCTION COSTS FOR PROJECTS THAT UNDER THAT ARE UNDERWAY.

AND WE KNOW THAT SERVICE LEVELS NEED TO BE AFFORDABLE.

IT'S ONLY VERY RECENTLY THAT WE SAW THE IMPACT OF SNOWMAGEDDON, ALL OF THE PILEUP THAT AGAIN EVEN HAPPENED AS RECENTLY AS THIS WEEKEND WITH THE BLIZZARD THAT HAPPENED THAT REQUIRED YET MORE ATTENTION FROM OUR ROADS AND SIDEWALKS CREW.

THIS IS A REALLY CLEAR INDICATION OF THE DIFFERENT PRESSURES THAT REALLY COME TO BEAR WHEN IT COMES TO MAKING A BUDGET.

WE'RE REALLY MINDFUL OF THE IMPACTS OF INFLATION AS WELL, BECAUSE IT HITS US ALL.

IT HITS US PERSONALLY, BUT IT ALSO HITS US AT THE CITY WHERE WE DO SEE INCREASING COST FOR MANY OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO PROVIDE PROGRAMS AND SERVICES.

WE KNOW THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, MUNICIPAL TAX INCREASES ARE NEVER SOMETHING THAT ANY OF US LOOK FORWARD TO A SMALL, PREDICTABLE TAX INCREASE AS SOMETHING THAT REFLECTS THE NEED AND THE DESIRE OF THE COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN THE PROGRAMS AND SERVICES THAT WE HAVE.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO SUSTAIN A SOLID, RELIABLE, ESSENTIAL SERVICES GOING FORWARD.

SO THE PROPOSED 7.47 TAX INCREASE IS SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW COUNCIL WILL DELIBERATE LONG AND HARD ON.

THE TAX INCREASE REALLY REFLECTS AND IS THE RESULT OF YEARS OF HAVING ZERO OR VERY SMALL TAX INCREASES.

WE FEEL THOSE REVERBERATIONS HIT US NOW.

AND WITHOUT WANTING TO BE A CHICKEN LITTLE OR A NEGATIVE PERSON ON THINGS OR FEAR MONGER, I WILL SAY THAT IF THERE WAS A MOVE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF COUNCIL SAID, LET'S JUST GO TO A

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SO WITH THAT, MADAM MAYOR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE DELIBERATIONS IN THE ORDER THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SORRY, THE GPC WOULD LIKE TO PRESCRIBE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

AND JUST TO KNOW WHAT WE DO HAVE COUNCILLOR COCHRANE ON THE LINE.

AND WITH THAT, THE WAY THAT WE GENERALLY GO THROUGH AND IT'S BEEN WORKING IS WE'LL GO THROUGH THE CAPITAL FUND.

WE'LL SO WE'LL START WITH THE 2022 CARRY FORWARDS.

THEN WE'LL MOVE INTO THE CAPITAL ITEMS, KIND OF GO PAGE BY PAGE.

IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR MOTIONS THEY WANT TO PUT ON THE FLOOR.

FOLLOWING THAT, WE'LL CIRCLE ALL THE WAY BACK UP TO THE START AND GO THROUGH THE DIVISIONS OR THE DEPARTMENTS.

WE SKIPPED THE DEPARTMENT ROLL UP BECAUSE THAT'S JUST A SUMMARY OF ALL THE DIVISIONS THAT WERE ABOUT TO GO INTO DETAIL, AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE DIVISIONS.

AND THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN MAKE ANY MOTIONS ABOUT ADDING OR OR REMOVING.

AND OF COURSE, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, BY ALL MEANS LET ME KNOW.

BUT TO KICK IT OFF, WE WILL START WITH THE CARRYFORWARDS, WHICH IS KIND OF ON PAGE 101.

BUT ADMIN ALSO PULLED TOGETHER A LIST WHICH IS A BIT EASIER TO SEE.

SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR ON THE CAPITAL CARRYFORWARDS THAT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS OR REMOVE.

QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THAT MS. BASSI-KELLETT, DID YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT ON THE CARRYFORWARDS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.

YES, I DO. IT'S CONVENIENT TO GO.

WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. SO CAPITAL CARRYFORWARDS ARE A REALITY OF THE OVERALL FISCAL AND PROJECT MANAGEMENT IN ANY ORGANIZATION.

I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR, AND WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT PROJECTS ARE TYPICALLY NOT ALIGNED CLEANLY WITH A JANUARY TO DECEMBER CALENDAR OR BUDGET YEAR, AND THEY OBVIOUSLY WILL STRADDLE BUDGET YEARS REGULARLY.

WHAT WE FIND AS WELL IS THAT DURING COVID AND POST-COVID, ISSUES AROUND SUPPLY CHAIN HUMAN CAPACITY AT BOTH THE CITY AND WITH A LOT OF OUR CONTRACTORS AND CONSULTANTS AND MARKET VOLATILITY HAVE REALLY ADDED TO THE COMPLEXITY OF MANAGING CAPITAL PROJECTS.

WE KNOW THAT PRICING VOLATILITY MEANS WE'RE SEEING RESPONSES TO TENDERS AND RFPS FOR OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS COME IN SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN ANTICIPATED, EVEN SINCE SOME OF THE BUDGET ITEMS THAT WE ANTICIPATED THIS PAST SUMMER AS WE WERE PUTTING BUDGET 2023 TOGETHER .

WE REALLY HAVE COME TO REALIZE THAT HAVING CAPACITY WITHIN OUR CAPITAL FUND TO BE ABLE TO WEATHER SOME OF THESE PRICE INCREASES IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

THERE ARE GREAT EXAMPLES THAT A NUMBER OF DIRECTORS WILL BE ABLE TO USE TO DEMONSTRATE THE COST THAT WE THOUGHT SOMETHING WOULD BE VERSUS WHAT THE TENDERS AND RFPS HAVE COME IN AT REALLY ARE QUITE SOBERING.

AND WE FOUND THAT HAVING THAT CUSHION WITHIN THE CAPITAL FUND IS A VERY IMPORTANT THING FOR US, PARTICULARLY IN THESE TIMES, SO THAT WE ARE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO PROCEED WITH PROJECTS WHERE WE NEED THEM AND WHERE IT MAKES SENSE TO DO SO.

SO TYPICALLY IN ANY YEAR CARRY FORWARDS, WE HAVE THEM BECAUSE FOR A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT REASONS, AS I SAID, THE BUDGET OF THE PROJECT THAT WE HAD INCLUDED THE BUDGET FIGURE ISN'T ADEQUATE AND WE'VE SEEN THAT HAPPEN WITH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT EXAMPLES THAT DIRECTORS WILL SPEAK TO.

FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAD A FEW YEARS AGO, WE HAD OUR WAY OUT SCALE AT THE SOLID WASTE FACILITY WHERE WE HAD A $300,000 BUDGET AND BIDS CAME IN AT $800,000.

SO THINGS LIKE THAT REQUIRE A PROJECT TO BE CARRIED FORWARD SO THAT WE CAN PLAN THE CAPITAL RESOURCES ACCORDINGLY TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THE PROJECTS.

WE KNOW SOMETIMES THERE ARE ISSUES WITH CAPITAL PROJECTS.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE HAD OUR WATER RESERVOIR LEAKS, OH GOSH, 2017-2018, WE HAD CHALLENGES TO IDENTIFY THE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM.

SO THAT TOOK A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT AND IT WAS BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME PRETTY INGENIOUS ENGINEERS THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO USE THE REMOTE CAMERA ROVER THAT WAS DOING THE SUBMARINE SPUR LINE WORK TO ALSO CHECK OUT OUR RESERVOIR AND SEE WHERE THE PROBLEM WAS.

BUT THAT TOOK ADDITIONAL TIME.

WE KNOW THAT THE STRATEGIC USE OF MANY OF OUR FUNDS, LIKE OUR MURR, WHICH OVERSEES WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH OUR FLEET AND OUR IT RESERVE FUND, WE ACCUMULATE THOSE FUNDS IN ANTICIPATION OF HIGHER THAN USUAL EXPENDITURES OR TO BE ABLE TO PLAN FOR THE ADDITIONAL PRESSURES THAT WE FEEL IN THOSE AREAS IN THE FUTURE.

SOMETIMES WE HAVE PROJECTS THAT ARE REPROFILED AND READJUSTED.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE WOOD PELLET BOILER THAT WE WILL BE LOOKING AT AT THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT IS A MORE PRACTICAL ALTERNATIVE OVER THE CENTRALIZED HEATING BIOMASS BOILER THAT WE HAD BEEN LOOKING AT INSTALLING AT CITY HALL WITH SOME OF OUR PARTNER ORGANIZATIONS IN THE CAPITAL AREA.

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CONTRACTORS DO GREAT WORK, BUT THEY'RE SPREAD THIN AND THEY'RE FEELING THE SAME PRESSURES POST COVID THAT WE ARE.

AND JUST THE OVERALL VOLATILITY OF THE WORKLOAD IS SOMETHING THAT WE FEEL THAT WE FEEL QUITE A BIT.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE MANY PROJECTS THAT WE WANT TO DO UNDER THE STRATEGIC WASTE MANAGEMENT PLAN.

MANY OF THOSE HAVE BEEN DELAYED DUE TO STAFF TURNOVER, PARENTAL LEAVES AND OTHER FACTORS THAT ARE IMPACTING OUR ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE CONTINUITY ON THOSE PROJECTS.

SO AGAIN, JUST IN SUMMATION, CAPITAL CARRYFORWARDS ARE A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF HOW WE DO BUSINESS.

THEY ARE A REALITY.

WE WORK TO MAKE PROJECTS MEET THE TIMELINES THAT WE'VE SET OUT, BUT WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE TIMES WHEN FACTORS WILL OTHER OTHER FACTORS WILL PREVAIL AND WE WILL REQUIRE TO SEEK A CARRY FORWARD FROM GPC AND COUNCIL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.

THANK YOU. OPENING IT UP TO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON CAPITAL CARRYFORWARDS.

COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.

SORRY. SO FIRST I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY HAPPY TO SEE COMMUNITY ENERGY PROJECTS HAVE SOME CARRY FORWARDS.

AND I ASKED A QUESTION LEADING UP TO THIS AND WAS TOLD SORT OF MONIES FOR THE LIC PROGRAM, THE DISTRICT HEATING FRAMEWORK, THE GREENHOUSE GAS INVENTORY AND THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT PELLET BOILER.

I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE ALL THESE PROJECTS KEEP MOVING FORWARD AND JUST LOOKING TO GET A IF THERE'S ANY ROUGH TIMELINE ON ON THINGS LIKE THE LIC PROGRAM DISTRICT HEATING FRAMEWORK, GREENHOUSE GAS INVENTORY AND THE TREATMENT PLANT PELLET BOILER? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

REALLY EXCITED TO HEAR COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN SAY HOW EXCITING THESE PROJECTS ARE BECAUSE WE REALLY BELIEVE THEM TO BE.

I'LL ASK MR. GREENCORN IF HE CAN SPEAK TO MOST OF THESE.

AND THEN I KNOW HE AND MS. THISTLE WILL HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THE LIC PROGRAM, BUT HE WILL KICK THINGS OFF AS THE LEAD.

THANK YOU. SURE.

THANKS. I GUESS WE'LL START WITH THE LOCAL IMPROVEMENT FIRST.

THE CITY RECEIVED FCM FUNDING TO START THE INITIAL, I GUESS, FEASIBILITY, REACHING OUT, SEEING WHAT'S FEASIBLE AND WHAT CAN BE DONE HERE IN THAT CONTEXT. WE DID WE DEFINITELY WE PUT IT OUT TO RFP AND GOT A SUCCESSFUL CANDIDATE, AN INDUSTRY EXPERT.

SO THAT'S IN ITS FINALIZING STAGES.

WE GOT A DRAFT REPORT.

WE NEED STAFF TO I GUESS BASICALLY PUT SOME TIME INTO IT AND DETERMINE THE NEXT STEPS FROM THERE.

THE LOCAL IMPROVEMENT WILL BE QUITE A COMPLICATED ADMINISTRATIVE HEAVY.

I DON'T KNOW IF HEAVY IS THE RIGHT WORD, BUT EXTREMELY COMPLEX TO MANAGE.

THEY'LL BE THEY'LL HAVE TO ISSUE ENERGY ANALYSIS.

AND THEN HOW WOULD HOW DO WE LEVY THE BYLAW? DO WE LEVY ONE BYLAW? DO WE LEVY 500 BYLAWS? [INAUDIBLE] OUR LOCAL IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL TIED TO TAX LEVIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO WE EXPECT TO SEE SOMETHING ON THE LOCAL IMPROVEMENT IN Q1 OF 2023.

SO SOMETIME BETWEEN JANUARY AND APRIL, THAT'S OUR GOAL OR THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SHOOTING FOR, FOR THE LOCAL IMPROVEMENT.

ON THE DISTRICT ENERGY, IT'S ALSO MOVING AT THE SAME TIME.

WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE SOMETHING.

I WOULD PROBABLY PLACE THIS IN Q2.

SO WE'VE ALSO PROCURED INDUSTRY EXPERTS TO HELP US GENERATE THAT FRAMEWORK AND A PATH FORWARD FOR ANYBODY, NOT JUST THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE, BUT ANYBODY LOOKING TO DO A DISTRICT ENERGY SYSTEM IN THE MUNICIPAL LIMITS AND WHAT STEPS THEY SHOULD TAKE.

WHAT FACETS OF THE PROJECT THEY'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT WHETHER IT'S REAL PROPERTY REPORTS OR THE PUBLIC UTILITIES ACT AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO TO GENERATE A PATH FORWARD FOR ANYONE LOOKING TO DO DE SO, I'M HOPING FOR Q2.

BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE TOO AMBITIOUS ON THAT ONE.

SO WE'LL SAY SOMETIME IN 2023 FOR THE DISTRICT ENERGY FRAMEWORK, THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT BOILER IS QUITE COMPLEX AS WELL DUE TO THE SIZE AND THE KILOWATTS. IT'S TAKEN A LOT OF ENGINEERING WORK.

PRELIMINARY ESTIMATES HAVE IT COMING IN QUITE HIGH.

WE'RE IN THE RANGE OF $10 MILLION DOLLARS RIGHT NOW FOR WHAT WE SEE AT THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT.

WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID HAVING A 24 HOUR STAFFED FACILITY ONCE YOU GET SO FAR HIGH IN KILOWATTS, PRESSURE VESSEL ACT KICKS IN. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT WAYS TO MITIGATE THAT THROUGH AN ATMOSPHERIC BOILER SET UP INSTEAD OF A TRADITIONAL PRESSURE VESSEL.

SO THERE'S DIFFERENT THERE'S DEFINITELY A LOT OF WORK HAPPENING ON THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT BOILER, AND WE JUST HAVE TO WAIT AND GET THE FINAL DESIGN AND OR THE PRE DESIGN REPORT SIMILAR TO WHAT OTHER PROJECTS.

YOU'VE HEARD ME SPEAK ABOUT TODAY PRE DESIGN REPORTS ARE QUITE VITAL.

SO ONCE WE GET THAT REVIEWED AND PUT THROUGH ADMINISTRATION AND WE'LL HAVE A BETTER PICTURE ON THAT IN 2023 AS WELL.

SO ALL THREE OF THESE LONG WINDED ANSWER TO SAY IS THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT ON THESE COMING FORWARD IN THE NEXT CALENDAR YEAR.

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WHAT ABOUT THE GREENHOUSE GAS INVENTORY? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. MR. GREENCORN. THAT'S ALSO BEEN COMPLETED.

I HAVEN'T PUT MY EYES ON THAT ONE YET, BUT I'M CONFIDENT THAT THAT'S EITHER AT ITS FINAL STAGE OR AT LEAST DRAFT FINAL.

SO. RIGHT ON.

THANKS. THANKS FOR ALL THE WORK.

AND GOING BACK WHEN THE COMMUNITY ENERGY COMMITTEE WAS DISBANDED.

WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE AN ANNUAL ROUNDTABLE.

I WAS JUST WONDERING IF ANY OF THOSE HAVE HAPPENED SINCE 2021.

I BELIEVE THAT WAS IN AUGUST, THE LAST ONE.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YES, WE HAD A REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE WITH THE PUBLIC, TO BE ABLE TO DESCRIBE THE WORK THAT WE HAD UNDERWAY, TO LOOK AT SOME SEEKING COMMENTS AND BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE PUBLIC OVERALL WITH INFORMATION ON THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING.

I'LL ASK MR. GREENCORN IF HE'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN ANY MORE DETAIL TO THAT? I THINK IT WAS IN JULY OR AUGUST IT WAS OVER THE SUMMER.

YEAH, I BELIEVE IT WAS AUGUST.

YEAH, IT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL.

WE'VE GOT A LOT OF GREAT INFORMATION, A GOOD PARTICIPATION FROM THE COMMUNITY.

WE DO HAVE MINUTES DRAFTED AND IT'S JUST A MATTER OF STAFFING AT THIS POINT TO BRING FORWARD A FULSOME AND WHOLESOME DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL EITHER OUT OF GPC OR A CART, PROBABLY AND EARLY IN Q ONE OR Q TWO AT THE VERY LATEST.

YEAH, CART ON THOSE ISSUES WOULD BE AMAZING.

AND THEN AN AWESOME QUESTION THAT I'M SURE YOU'LL LOVE.

SO I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATED THE ANSWERS ON THE CARRY FORWARD SORT OF DETAILING EACH ONE AND WHERE EACH ONE IS AT.

JUST IN THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL QUESTIONS ONLINE.

THAT WAS AWESOME TO RECEIVE.

AND JUST WONDERING IF, LET'S SAY THE [INAUDIBLE] WATER LINE OR WATER LICENSE OR SOMETHING TAKES UP A BUNCH MORE STAFF TIME.

ARE THERE ANY PROJECTS YOU'RE EYEING UP IN THESE CARRY FORWARDS TO PUT ON THE BACK BURNER? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I WILL TURN THIS TO MR. GREENCORN. BUT BEFORE I DO, I WILL SAY THAT THIS BUDGET AND THESE CARRYOVERS REALLY ARE FOCUSING PREDOMINANTLY ON OUR CORE AND ESSENTIAL SERVICES.

WE WERE QUITE ASTONISHED AT HOW FOCUSED WE'VE BECOME ON THIS.

THERE ISN'T A LOT OF AND I WON'T IT'S NOT THE RIGHT WORD TO USE, BUT NICE TO DO PROJECTS, FRIVOLOUS PROJECTS THAT SEEM LIKE FUN.

WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THOSE.

THESE ARE BASED ON OUR ASSET MANAGEMENT PHILOSOPHY OF THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE VERSUS THE ABILITY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO DELIVER CORE AND ESSENTIAL SERVICES IN A WAY THAT MEETS OUR REGULATORY FRAMEWORK.

SO I'LL TURN TO MR. GREENCORN TO SPEAK ABOUT IN THE SAD EVENT, IF WE HAD TO PRIORITIZE WHAT HE WOULD BE RECOMMENDING AND WHAT ACTIONS HE WOULD TAKE.

THANKS FOR THE QUESTION.

IT'S A DIFFICULT ONE AND I'D BE REMISS TO TAKE ONE AND SACRIFICE IT FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL FAIRLY IMPORTANT AND DIRECTIONS OF PREVIOUS COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE.

IF YOU'RE REALLY ASKING, I WOULD PROBABLY SAY THAT I'M GOING TO STICK TO OUR REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS FIRST AND FOREMOST.

SO THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE TO DO AROUND THE LAGOON, THE LAGOON CONTROL STRUCTURES, THE DESLUDGING, THE GETTING THE PAD READY FOR DESLUDGING, AS WELL AS STARTING TO LOOK INTO OUR LEACHATE TREATMENT SYSTEM AND LANDFILL DESIGN AT THE LANDFILL.

SO THOSE ARE THE BIG AT LIFT STATION NUMBER ONE THOSE ARE THE CORE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO GET DONE.

SO IF WE ARE A SHORT STAFFED, WE'LL BE CHANNELING OUR ENERGIES INTO THOSE.

AND THEN I GUESS SOME OF THESE OTHER ONES THAT I'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED WILL BE FURTHER DOWN THE PATH, FURTHER DOWN THE PRIORITY LIST.

BUT AS WE DO EVERY YEAR, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A GOOD RUN AT IT.

AND DO AS MUCH AS WE CAN.

YEAH. THANKS. I THINK THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT FOR NOW.

BUT YEAH, TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES OF THE CHANGING REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ON CARRY FORWARDS? SEEING NONE.

WE WILL LAUNCH IN.

WE HAVE OUR ACCESSIBILITY IMPLEMENTATION PLAN OR SORRY, PAGE 105.

AND TO NOTE THAT WE RECEIVED THE NWT HUMAN RIGHTS AWARD FOR 2022 ACCESSIBILITY FOR OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH CANADIAN TIRE AND JUMPSTART FOR THE JUMPSTART PLAYGROUND THAT WAS AWARDED TO US ON FRIDAY.

SO SHOULD BE SOME MEDIA HOPEFULLY ABOUT IT SOON.

PAGE 105.

SEEING NOTHING ON ACCESSIBILITY.

NEXT, WE HAVE THE AQUATIC CENTER.

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PAGE 109 ASSET MANAGEMENT.

SEEING NOTHING ON ASSET MANAGEMENT.

PAGE 116 CURLING RINK BRINE LINE REPLACEMENT SAND FLOOR.

COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.

YEAH, JUST A COMMENT MOSTLY AND A QUESTION AT THE END.

SO JUST LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE A PROJECT THAT HASN'T BEEN INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET BY ADMINISTRATION, THAT IS THE ADDITION OF A CONCRETE PAD AT THE CURLING RINK.

IDEALLY, WHEN THE BRINE LINES ARE REPLACED, THE PROJECT WOULD COST $1.2 MILLION DOLLARS OR SO.

THE BENEFITS WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL USABLE RENTABLE CITY SURFACE DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS, AS WELL AS A MUCH EASIER PROCESS FOR PUTTING IN AND OUT THE ICE.

DESPITE THE BENEFITS, I BELIEVE THE COST ISN'T JUSTIFIABLE AT THIS TIME, BUT I JUST SORT OF WANTED TO BRING IT UP AND SEE IF ANYONE ELSE WAS SUPER KEEN ON THAT SORT OF PROJECT. THANK YOU.

AND AS MENTIONED A COUPLE OF TIMES TONIGHT, THERE ARE WE'VE SENT A LOT OF QUESTIONS IN ADVANCE TO ADMINISTRATION TO KIND OF HELP US GO THROUGH THIS.

AND IF YOU ARE WATCHING AND INTERESTED, THERE'S 50 PAGES WORTH OF QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ON OUR WEBSITE.

SO YOU JUST GO TO THE CITY BUDGET WEB PAGE AND THEN JUST RESOURCES AT THE BOTTOM AND YOU CAN READ ALL OF THE QUESTIONS WE'VE SENT IN ADVANCE.

BUT HAPPY TO HAVE COUNCILLORS FLAG ANY QUESTIONS AGAIN.

SEEING NOTHING FURTHER ON THE CURLING CLUB FLOOR OR BRINE LINE.

NEXT, WE HAVE FIRE HALL EQUIPMENT PAGE 118.

AND COUNCILLOR COCHRANE, I KNOW YOU'RE PROBABLY 10 SECONDS BEHIND US, BUT AT ANY TIME FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN AND WE CAN ALWAYS REVERSE IF WE'RE GOING TOO FAST.

PAGE 120 IS THE FIREHALL RENOVATIONS EXPANSION.

COUNCILLOR PAYNE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THIS EXPANSION IS GOING TO ENTAIL, LIKE SIZE WISE? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. JUST A COLD NOTES VERSION.

ABSOLUTELY. WE CERTAINLY DO.

WE'VE GOT SOME PRELIMINARY DRAWINGS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT TOGETHER BASED ON THE OUTLINE OF NEEDS THAT WE PUT TOGETHER THROUGH AN RFP.

AND SO WE HAVE THAT PRE DESIGN.

I'LL ASK MR. MACLEAN IF HE'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO WHAT'S ENTAILED.

THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

SO WE'RE CURRENTLY IN THE PRELIMINARY DESIGN PHASE WITH OUR CONSULTANTS.

WE'VE COMPLETED TWO DESIGN REVIEWS CURRENTLY TO MEET THE INTENT AND NEEDS THE EXISTING.

SO IT'S A TWO PHASE PROJECT.

THE FIRST IS AN EXPANSION OF ABOUT 1500 SQUARE METERS, WHICH INCORPORATES TWO ADDITIONAL AMBULANCES OR EXCUSE ME, TWO ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT BAYS AND THEN SOME FUNCTIONAL SPACE TO SUPPORT THE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE.

AND THEN THE SECOND PART OF IT WILL BE A RENOVATION OF THE EXISTING SPACE TO FACILITATE THE REST OF THE PROGRAM NEEDS THAT WE HAVE.

THANK YOU. YEAH, I MEAN, WE'RE LOOKING AT $7 MILLION DOLLARS OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

I'VE NEVER STOOD IN THE WAY OF OF ROVIDING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WHAT THEY NEED.

I'VE ALWAYS BEEN SUPPORTIVE.

BUT IN THE CURRENT WORLD THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A PRETTY BIG COST.

YOU KNOW, SCHOOLS NEED SPACE AND THEY BRING IN A PORTABLE FOR THE MEANTIME.

IS IT ANYTHING THAT WE COULD DISCUSS IN TERMS OF LIKE MAYBE A MORE TEMPORARY SOLUTION UNTIL WE GET BACK TO A NORMAL WORLD WHERE INFLATION IS NOT RUNNING RECORD HIGH AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S A LOT OF MONEY? I'M INTERESTED TO HEAR WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS TO SAY ON THIS, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING IF THIS IS A GREAT TIME TO BE INVESTING THIS MUCH MONEY IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

I'M AND DON'T TAKE MY WORDS AS ME BEING NEGATIVE ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

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AND I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING WHEN WE'RE OUR JOB IS TO CRITICALLY ANALYZE EVERYTHING AND TO DETERMINE IF IT'S THE BEST TIME, THE RIGHT TIME, ARE THERE OTHER SOLUTIONS? SO I DON'T THINK IT'S EVER WE'RE PICKING ON ANYBODY OR ANY SERVICES LESS THAN THE OTHER.

BUT THE CHALLENGE, OF COURSE, IS ALWAYS THAT NOTHING GETS CHEAPER WITH TIME BUT MS. BASSI-KELLETT ANY POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVES TO THIS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.

AND JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ON THIS PROJECT.

WHEN WE KNOW THAT THE CURRENT FIRE HALL WAS BUILT IN 1989 AT A TIME WHEN YELLOWKNIFE HAD 16 FIREFIGHTERS.

AND SO WHEN WE FAST FORWARD TO 2022 OR EVEN 2020, WHEN THIS PROJECT WAS FIRST INITIATED, WE WERE UP TO, I BELIEVE AT THAT POINT IN TIME WE WERE AT 32, FIREFIGHTERS, NOW AT 36.

AND SO THE CAPACITY FOR NOT ONLY OUR STAFF TO BE ABLE TO DO THE WORK THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE THE APPROPRIATE KINDS OF PLACES WHERE THEY CAN DECONTAMINATE WHEN THEY COME BACK IN FROM AN INCIDENT, AS WELL AS HAVING ENOUGH SPACE FOR OUR EQUIPMENT.

AND BOY, LORD KNOWS WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF EQUIPMENT TO RESPOND TO THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF INCIDENTS THAT HAPPEN.

SO THIS PROJECT CAME ABOUT STARTING IN 2020, LOOKING AT AND ACKNOWLEDGING THAT WE HAD SOME OPTIONS AT THE TIME, THERE HAD BEEN A STUDY THAT LOOKED AT IN ORDER TO DEAL WITH THE EXPANSION OF OUR SERVICE.

COULD THERE BE OTHER THINGS THAT WERE DONE? COULD WE BUILD A SEPARATE FIRE STATION? A SECOND ONE, COULD WE DEMOLISH WHAT EXISTED AND BUILD SOMETHING BRAND NEW ON THAT SITE, OR COULD WE PUT AN ADDITION ON? AND CERTAINLY IN 2020, THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE MEANS TO ADDRESS THE PRESSURES THAT ARE BEING FELT WAS TO PUT AN ADDITION ON TO EXPAND ON THE PROGRAMING SPACE, AS MR. MACLEAN SAID, AND THEN THE APPARATUS BAY AS WELL.

SO I TOTALLY HEAR COUNCILLOR PAYNE THAT ARE THERE WAYS THAT WE COULD JUST KEEP EVERYONE HOLDING TIGHT? I THINK IT'S MORE THAN SPACE.

I THINK IT'S MAKING SURE THAT OUR FIREFIGHTERS ARE ABLE TO COME FROM AN EVENT, BE CLEAN, BE ABLE TO DECONTAMINATE.

WE'VE HAD TO HAVE SOME VERY JUST SORT OF ROUGH SHOD WAYS OF DEALING WITH THE NEEDS FOR ALL OF OUR FIREFIGHTERS TO SHOWER AFTER THEY'VE BEEN AT AN EVENT.

WE OFTEN HAVE TO CALL UPON THE USE OF OTHER CITY FACILITIES FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.

SOMETIMES THAT'S JUST NOT SAFE AND IT'S NOT LOOKING OUT FOR THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF OUR STAFF.

SO TRULY TO LOOK AT THE EXPANSION OF THE FIRE HALL, IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT AND IT'S ONE THAT, AS MAYOR ALTY POINTED OUT, WE'VE SEEN THIS HAPPEN AND WE'VE ALL DONE THIS BEFORE. HEY, MAYBE WE CAN PUT THIS OFF FOR A YEAR OR TWO AND IT'LL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE REASONABLE.

AND IN FACT, WE'VE FOUND THAT PRICES HAVE INDEED GONE UP.

SO I BELIEVE IT'S A PRESSURE ON US TO ADDRESS THE HEALTH AND SAFETY CONCERNS FOR OUR STAFF, MAKE SURE THAT THEY'VE GOT THE WORKSPACE TO BE ABLE TO EFFECTIVELY PERFORM THE WORK THAT WE EXPECT OF THEM AND THAT THEY HAVE A THE EQUIPMENT READY TO GO AT THE TIME WHEN THEY NEED TO.

THANK YOU. ONE OF THE OTHER CHALLENGES IS WE HAD A LOT OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE BUILT AT THE SAME TIME.

SO LIKE THE FIRE HALL, THE RUTH INCH MEMORIAL POOL, STANTON HOSPITAL, THAT'S NOT OURS AT LEAST, BUT THE YELLOWKNIFE COMMUNITY ARENA.

AND SO THAT'S THE ONE THING WHEN WE'RE TALKING TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ABOUT THE CANADA COMMUNITY BUILDING FUND IS A LOT OF OUR ASSETS ARE NOW BECOMING DUE ALL AT THE SAME TIME, WHICH IS WHAT COUNCIL CAN SEE IN THE NEXT TWO OR THREE YEARS ARE OUR TEN YEAR CAPITAL FUND IS PRETTY STRETCHED.

SO HOPEFULLY FCM IS DOING ADVOCACY DAYS THIS WEEK IN OTTAWA.

SO HOPEFULLY THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING THE CANADA COMMUNITY BUILDING FUND AT LEAST DOUBLED FOR COMMUNITIES SO THAT WE CAN ADDRESS OUR CAPITAL NEEDS LIKE THIS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE FIRE HALL RENOVATIONS AND EXPANSION? SEEING NONE.

NEXT, WE HAVE FLEET MANAGEMENT.

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QUESTIONS. COMMENTS.

DISCUSSION. COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. JUST CURIOUS WHY THERE'S SO MUCH CARRY FORWARD AND THAT NUMBER FOR THIS YEAR AND THE YEAR AFTER IS SO LARGE? WHAT KIND OF PIECE OF GEAR ARE COMING UP? I GUESS.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

IN A NUTSHELL, COST AND SUPPLY CHAIN.

I'LL ASK MR. GREENCORN IF HE COULD SPEAK IN MORE DETAIL.

THANKS. THE MURPH FUND IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN OTHER FUNDS IS.

IT'S KIND OF A ROLLING.

IT ROLLS OVER CALENDAR YEAR.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE ORDER A SPECIALTY VEHICLE LIKE AN AMBULANCE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT DOESN'T ALWAYS FALL IN THE SAME CALENDAR YEAR THE BUDGET'S APPROVED.

SO WE'RE RUNNING INTO LIKE 390, 400 DAY LEAD TIMES.

SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY THE MURPH FUNDS AT TIMES LOOKS HIGHER THAN THAN ANTICIPATED BUDGETS.

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SO THAT ADDRESSES, I GUESS, THE BALANCE IN THE MURPH FUND.

WHAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU IS WHAT WE'RE REALLY ASKING FOR IN BUDGET 2023 IS WHAT WE KNOW ARE REPLACEMENTS ARE COMING UP.

THE 2024 FIGURE IS HAS A SPIKE IN IT BECAUSE THERE'S AN ANTICIPATED FIRE ENGINE REPLACEMENT IN THERE, WHICH IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE ABOUT $1.5 MILLION DOLLARS. VERY ROUGHLY, THAT MIGHT END UP BEING 1.75 WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING.

BUT OUR LAST ONE WAS 1.3.

SO WE ARE ADJUSTING FOR WHAT WE TRY TO SEE COMING WITHOUT MAKING OUR BUDGETS EXORBITANT AND MAYBE OVERREACHING.

SO THE OTHER THING TO NOTE HERE IS THAT WHILE WE'VE MADE HUGE, HUGE LEAPS WITH OUR ASSET REGISTRY THIS YEAR AND FLEET WAS ONE OF THE MAIN ONES, IT HASN'T BEEN COMPLETELY SMOOTHED OUT YET.

SO WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT OUR CURRENT REGISTRY OVER THE 25 OR IT'S EVEN OUT A 50 YEAR SPAN, AND WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT OPPORTUNITIES TO SMOOTH THAT OUT SO THAT THERE AREN'T SO MANY PEAKS AND VALLEYS AND THAT WE HAVE A NICE STEADY CURVE.

SO THIS 2024 FIGURE WON'T BE THE FINAL THAT COUNCIL SEES IN 2024.

BUT IT'S JUST WHAT THE ASSET REGISTRY IS SPITTING OUT AT THIS CURRENT MOMENT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

YEAH, THE 50 YEAR FORECAST IS AN INTERESTING ADDITION.

SO APPRECIATE THAT AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING IT SMOOTHED OUT AS MUCH AS YOU CAN WHEN YOU HAVE ONE GIANT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS.

WELL, IT'S NOT EVERY COUPLE AT LEAST.

ANYTHING FURTHER ON FLEET MANAGEMENT? SEEING NONE.

NEXT WE HAVE IT INFRASTRUCTURE RENEWAL.

PAGE 124 QUESTIONS, COMMENTS.

DISCUSSION. COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.

I'M JUST WONDERING IF THIS IS THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT THE RESERVE FUNDS OR DO WE GET TO THOSE LATER? WE COULD DO THAT ONE NOW BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THIS.

ALL RIGHT, SO I'D LIKE TO PUT FORWARD A MOTION FOR COUNCIL TO DIRECT ADMINISTRATION TO REDUCE THE TRANSFER FROM THE CAPITAL FUND TO THE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY RESERVE TO 295,000 IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE CLOSING BALANCE AT 2022'S BUDGETED CLOSING BALANCE.

AND MY JUSTIFICATION OR THOUGHTS BEHIND THIS, SO THE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY RESERVE IS CURRENTLY AND THIS IS THE BUDGET POLICY BASED ON THE AVERAGE OF THE LAST FIVE YEARS OF EXPENDITURE. THIS IS 646,000.

THE BUDGETED CLOSING BALANCE FOR 2023 IS 1.74 MILLION AND THE 2024 BUDGETED EXPENDITURES ARE 400,000 DOLLARS.

WE MIGHT PAUSE FOR 2 SECONDS.

DO YOU WANT TO REDUCE THIS BUDGET LINE ITEM FROM 327 TO 295? OR IS IT THE TRANSFER THAT YOU WANT TO DISCUSS? THE TRANSFER? OKAY, LET'S HOLD OFF ON THAT ONE UNTIL RESERVE FUNDS.

YEAH. OKAY. OKAY.

SEEING NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE IT INFRASTRUCTURE.

NEXT WE HAVE THE LAGOON SLUDGE REMOVAL.

PAGE 131.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? SEEING NONE.

IT'S CRAZY HOW MUCH ALL THAT STUFF COSTS.

NEXT, WE HAVE THE LAND FUND CAPITAL PROJECTS, PAGE 136.

ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS.

DISCUSSION. COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.

SO JUST LOOKING TO SEE IF THERE'S A TIME FRAME FOR THE INFILL LOT CONCEPT PLAN? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. 2023 IS GOING TO BE AN INTERESTING YEAR.

I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MS. WHITE, WHO WILL SPEAK TO WHEN WE'LL SEE THAT COMING FORWARD.

ALL RIGHT. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ONE CONCEPT PLAN.

SO THE IDEA IS WE WILL BRING FORWARD A NUMBER OF OPTIONS.

WE'LL PROVIDE A LIST OF WHAT SOME PRIORITY AND EASILY SERVICEABLE, MANAGEABLE LANDS THAT SHOULD BE

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SOME REQUIRE AN AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN, SOME JUST REQUIRE ZONING.

EACH PARCEL WE'RE GOING TO SPEAK ABOUT, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER AS ONE SEPARATE PROJECT OR IDEA THOSE WE ARE GOING TO BRING FORWARD IN Q ONE FOR THE FIRST CONVERSATION AND CONSIDERATION.

THESE, DEPENDING ON WHAT IS REQUIRED, MAY TAKE A YEAR OR LONGER TO FINALIZE FROM THAT FIRST CONVERSATION IN Q ONE UNTIL WE ACTUALLY SEE LOTS FOR SALE ON THE MARKET.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND ONE MORE COULD WE GET AN UPDATE ON WHEN TO EXPECT AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR KAM LAKE AND JUST KAM LAKE AREA EXPANSION? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. ABSOLUTELY.

MS. WHITE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

ALSO, A 2023 PROJECT THAT WE WILL BE BRINGING FORWARD THAT WILL BE ONE PROJECT IN AND OF ITSELF REQUIRES AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN REZONING.

LARGE PART OF THAT IS GOING TO BE THE PUBLIC CONSULTATION PIECE.

SO WE'RE LOOKING TO BRING THAT FORWARD IN Q ONE AGAIN, TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION, TO HAVE THE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL TO PROCEED OR NOT, AND THEN WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I DID SEE SOME ALLUSIONS HERE TO POTENTIAL WATER AND SEWER EXPANSION.

OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT IN THE LANDS BUDGET.

SO IS THAT JUST WHERE THAT'S AT ID STAGE OR WHAT ARE WE THINKING? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. MS. WHITE.

THAT IS AN INTERESTING OBSERVATION.

SO THE WHOLE PURPOSE BEHIND INFILL CONCEPT, I'LL SPEAK TO THOSE FIRST, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PROPOSE ARE FOR LANDS THAT CURRENTLY ARE ON SEWER AND WATER AND MUNICIPAL ROADS.

SO THAT IS TO MAKE THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF EXISTING SERVICES THAT WE ALREADY HAVE UNDERGROUND.

WHEN IT COMES TO POTENTIAL LOCATIONS, SO SIMILAR TO WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT ANGLE RECENTLY, KAM LAKE, WE KNOW THAT THAT'S TRUCKED.

SO THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT WILL HAVE TO BE PUT IN PLACE.

BUT AT THIS POINT, WE'RE NOT CONTEMPLATING EXPANSION FOR ANY OF THESE PROJECTS TO OUR MUNICIPAL SEWER AND WATER SERVICE.

THANK YOU. SEEING NOTHING FURTHER.

THANKS FOR THAT UPDATE. LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.

LIFT STATION NUMBER ONE REPLACEMENT.

PAGE 138.

COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.

JUST SO IT LOOKS LIKE OPTION TWO IS THE PREFERRED ONE, SORT OF WHERE THE RECYCLING CENTER IS JUST WONDERING WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR THAT RECYCLING STATION? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT ANY TIME WE HAVE A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT UNDERWAY, WE DO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS EASE OF ACCESS TO SOME OF THE OTHER RESIDUAL CITY SERVICES IN THE AREA. SO THERE WOULD BE A PLAN FOR WHERE TO LOCATE THAT FOR EASE OF ACCESS BY YELLOWKNIFERS.

I WILL ASK MR. GREENCORN IF HE'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO OVERALL WHERE THE LIFT STATION PROJECT IS AT AND SOME OF THOSE HIGHLIGHTS.

SURE. THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS.

WE'RE DEFINITELY CHOOSING OPTION NUMBER TWO.

THE MAIN REASON FOR THAT IS ASSOCIATED UNDERGROUND INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO THIS IS THE BEST LOCATION.

WE COULD HAVE TRIED TO LOCATE IT IN DIFFERENT AREAS, BUT UNFORTUNATELY IT'S A BIT OF A MANGLE OF PIPE UNDER THE GROUND THERE.

SO THERE'S FORCED MAINS, THERE'S SEWER MAIN STORM SEWER, THERE'S WATER MAINS, THERE'S A MULTITUDE OF THINGS TO CONSIDER.

SO THIS IS BASICALLY THE ONLY SPOT WE CAN PRETTY MUCH PAINT IT INTO.

IN SAYING THAT PART OF THE RFP WAS TO ALSO COMPLETE A SITE AND FUNCTIONALITY ASSESSMENT OF THE WHOLE AREA BECAUSE THERE'S MULTIPLE THINGS, AS MS. BASSI-KELLETT SAID IS GOING ON THERE.

WE'VE GOT PARKING, WE'VE GOT THE COMMUNITY GARDEN PARKING, WE'VE GOT RECYCLING, WE'VE GOT THE NOT ONLY THE LIFT STATION, BUT THE TRUCK SEWAGE DUMP THERE AS WELL.

SO WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL INTERESTS ARE BEING MET IN THE AREA AND THAT IT FUNCTIONS PROPERLY AND WE HAVE CLEAR DELINEATION FROM OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USE FROM FROM ACTUAL CITY SERVICES USE.

SO IN SAYING THAT LONG STORY SHORT IS, YES, THE RECYCLING BINS WILL REMAIN.

I JUST DON'T HAVE A CLEAR PICTURE YET.

WHERE EXACTLY ON THE SITE THEY'RE GOING TO GO.

MY GUESS IS GOING TO BE TO THE EAST UPPER EAST CORNER IN ASSOCIATION WITH THE PARKING AREA.

BUT AGAIN, WE'RE IN THE EARLY STAGES AT THE PRE DESIGN REPORT SO WE JUST ACTUALLY GOT THE PRE DESIGN REPORT AND THINGS ARE COMING IN.

AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO BE THE I GUESS THE BAD NEWS BEARER, BUT THEY'RE COMING IN A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN WE ANTICIPATED.

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DO YOU MEAN, 2023? I'M SORRY. 2023.

WHAT DID I SAY? AWESOME THANKS FOR THE UPDATE.

COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.

JUST TIMELY SEEING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT.

I REMEMBER IN PAST YEARS REDOING THAT PARKING LOT IN OLD TOWN WAS ON THE BUDGET FOR A WHILE AND GOT KILLED A FEW TIMES.

SO I'M NOT SEEING IT ANYWHERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.

IS THAT COMPLETELY OFF OUR RADAR OR KIND OF ANY THOUGHTS ON WHAT'S GOING ON ON THAT LOT? MS. BASSI-KELLETT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

VERY TIMELY. YES, THERE'D BEEN A LOT OF WORK PUT INTO WHAT WE WOULD LOOK LIKE, THE AESTHETICS TO BE OF THE PARKING LOT OF THE CORNER OF SCHOOL DRAW ON FRANKLIN, WHETHER OR NOT IT COULD BE INCLUDING A GATEWAY TO OLD TOWN WHERE THE PARKING AND THE DRAINAGE COULD BE DONE APPROPRIATELY.

THAT WORK HAD BEEN DONE WITHOUT THAT WORK WAS DONE.

BUT IT DID COME TO LIGHT THAT LIFT STATION ONE WAS AT THE POINT WHERE IT REQUIRED SIGNIFICANT ATTENTION.

SO WE PUT THE BRAKES ON THE PROJECT OF LOOKING AT THE AESTHETICS OF THAT PARKING LOT UNTIL WE COULD LOOK AT WHAT IS UNDERGROUND IN LIFT STATION ONE.

IT'S UNDERNEATH A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THAT AREA AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A TERRIBLE THING FOR THE CITY TO HAVE DONE SOME AESTHETIC WORK ON THAT PARKING LOT, ONLY TO HAVE TO DIG IT UP IN A FEW YEARS BECAUSE WE HAD TO DO WORK ON LIFT STATION ONE.

I'LL ASK MR. GREENCORN IF HE HAS ANYTHING TO ADD? JUST THAT I WOULD ADD TO IT IS PART OF THE PROJECT WILL BE FINISHING THE ENTIRE AREA AND THERE IS WE ARE THE DESIGN IS ALSO CONTEMPLATING NODES FOR ART AND PUBLIC ART AND A PUBLIC PIECE ON THE VERY CORNER.

SO WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR BEST TO MAKE THIS A CORNER SPOT OF THE OLD TOWN MUNICIPAL SERVICE CENTER ALONG WITH PARKING.

SO IN SAYING THAT, WE ARE ALSO TAKING THINGS THAT THE LAST COUNCIL SAID INTO HEART AND TRYING TO REDUCE OUR OVERALL FOOTPRINT ON THE AREA, MINIMIZE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO MANICURE TREES ON A REGULAR BASIS.

SO WHILE WE ARE ENDEAVORING TO MAKE IT LOOK GREAT AND BE THAT CORNERSTONE TO OLD TOWN, WE DON'T WANT TO INCREASE OUR OWN END BY HAVING TO GO AND MANICURE TREES REMAIN IN THE CONFERENCE, PLEASE PRESS EITHER ONE OF TWO.

MANICURED TREES AND MOW GRASS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT I'VE TASKED THE ARCHITECTS ON THE PROJECT TO DESIGN WITH AN OLD TOWN FEEL IN MIND, WHICH HAS THEM SCRATCHING THEIR HEADS A LITTLE BIT.

THEY HAVE COMPLETED A SITE VISIT AND THEY'VE LOOKED AT A LOT OF BUILDINGS IN OLD TOWN AND SO FAR THEY'VE SENT BACK A COUPLE CONCEPTUAL DESIGNS THAT I'VE SAID ABSOLUTELY NO TO. SO WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THOSE.

BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH A GOOD OVERALL FINISH FOR THE SITE AND TO REPLACE A WELL NEEDED AND VERY HIGHLY USED CITY FACILITY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON LIFT STATION NUMBER ONE? COUNCILLOR MCGURK. I GUESS JUST I WAS SIMILAR SORT OF THOUGHTS TO ROB.

I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT POTENTIAL OR THAT PARKING LOT AND HOW THE CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN HAD ABOUT IT IN THE PAST.

THERE WAS, I THINK, SOME PUBLIC COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ON THE SPACE BEFORE, AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOUR PLANS ARE INFLUENCED BY THEM OR IF THEY'RE KIND OF CONSIDERED OUT OF DATE? ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH IT WAS THAT I ACTUALLY REDUCED THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPOTS, BUT THAT'S WHY PREVIOUS AND IT WAS SIGNIFICANT COST.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

THANKS VERY MUCH. IT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT.

WE NEVER LIKE TO GO OUT AND CONSULT WITH THE PUBLIC, ENGAGE THEM ON THINGS, SEEK THEIR IDEAS, AND THEN WHEN THE TIME COMES TO ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT, BLOW OFF WHAT IT IS THAT THE PUBLIC HAS SAID, THAT'S NOT GOOD.

BUT HAVING SAID THAT, THE CONSULTATIONS WERE IN 2017.

SO WE CERTAINLY LOOK AT THOSE.

WE KNOW THAT THERE WAS A REAL INTEREST IN MAKING SURE THAT THERE WAS THE ABILITY TO BALANCE THE DIFFERENT USES THAT WERE GOING ON TO MAKE IT SOMETHING THAT HAD AS MR. GREENCORN SAID, THE AESTHETIC TO SOME DEGREE OF TRANSITIONING INTO OLD TOWN, HAVING THAT ABILITY TO MAKE THE SPACE USEFUL FOR A MULTITUDE OF USES.

SO ABSOLUTELY WE WILL WE HAVE KEPT THE NOTES FROM THAT.

THERE WAS EXTENSIVE CONSULTATION THAT WAS DONE.

SOME OF IT WAS ON THE SPECIFICS OF THE DESIGN THAT AT THE TIME WAS BEING PROPOSED.

WE WILL HAVE SOME SLIGHT DIFFERENCES IN THE DESIGN THIS TIME, BUT WE WILL BE INSPIRED AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

AND OF COURSE AS EVERYTHING THAT WE DO AT THE CITY WE WILL BE TRANSPARENT IN TERMS OF WHAT THE DESIGN LOOKS LIKE AS WE GO FORWARD.

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I REMEMBER ALSO THAT BEING A CONVERSATION WHEN THAT IN 2017, WHEN IT WAS [INAUDIBLE] WAS OPEN, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT ACCESSIBILITY TO BATHROOMS, GENERALLY SPEAKING, IN THE COMMUNITY, AND THAT IF WE'RE RENOVATING THIS OR UPGRADING THE SPACE AND CREATING NEW FACILITIES, DEVELOPING NEW FACILITIES, WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS POTENTIALLY ON THE TABLE.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT QUESTION.

AND ABSOLUTELY, THERE HAVE BEEN LOTS AND LOTS OF DISCUSSIONS AROUND ACCESS TO PUBLIC RESTROOMS AND PUBLIC FACILITIES THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.

WE DID NOT HAVE THAT INCLUDED AS PART OF OUR DESIGN.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN PROPOSING OR LOOKING AT AS WE LOOK AT THE RENOVATION SOLICITATION NUMBER ONE AT THIS TIME.

BUT THE DISCUSSION AROUND PUBLIC WASHROOMS IS SOMETHING THAT WE UNDERSTAND IS AN ONGOING CONCERN AND INTEREST.

THANK YOU. SEEING NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

NEXT, WE HAVE OUTDOOR RECREATION PAGE 141.

COUNCILLOR PAYNE. THANK YOU.

SO WE HAVE IN HERE, WE HAVE A FENCE AT FRITS, WE HAVE GRASS OVER IN HALL CRESCENT AND WE HAVE THE WHAT DOES IT CALL IT THE AMPHITHEATER FOR SOMBA K'E PARK.

SO CAN WE HAVE A PRICE BREAKDOWN? IT'S LISTED FOR 240,000.

WHAT ARE THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH EACH? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

I WILL SEE IF MR. WHITE IS ABLE TO FIND THAT INFORMATION.

I'LL TALK REALLY SLOWLY AS.

[LAUGHTER] YES. OVER TO YOU, MR. WHITE. SORRY MS. BASSI-KELLETT. I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS HOW SLOWLY YOU CAN TALK.

I WON'T BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT IN A TIMELY MANNER.

THE EXCEPT FOR THE ONE THE SOMBA K'E AMPHITHEATER COVER IS A 75,000 PROJECT, AND I'LL HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE FOR NOW. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT $75,000 FOR THE AMPHITHEATER.

AND IS THAT JUST A COVERING OVER WHICH PART OF THE PARK IS THAT THE CONCRETE BASE? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. MR. WHITE YES.

WHAT'S BEING CONTEMPLATED IS LIKE A HALF, I GUESS I WOULD DESCRIBE IT AS A HALF SHELL COVER THAT WOULD PROVIDE SOME SHELTER FOR BOTH INCLEMENT WEATHER AND THE HOT SUN WEATHER.

ALLOWS THE PARK TO BE MARKETED A LITTLE BIT MORE.

BRING IN MORE REVENUE BY USERS.

IT'S REALLY BEING DRIVEN BY SOME OF THE PAST USES THAT WE HAVE HOSTED AS WELL AS COMMUNITY USE AND JUST FEEDBACK WE'VE RECEIVED OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

THANK YOU. IS THIS A TIME TO PUT A MOTION? I'D LIKE TO PUT A MOTION FORWARD TO STRIKE THE AMPHITHEATER FROM THE BUDGET HERE.

I THINK THAT WE HAVE A COVERED STAGE AT FOLK ON THE ROCKS.

AND THE BIG PART OF THIS SPACE THAT WE HAVE HERE, I MEAN, IT'S USED A LOT.

I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO BE USED ANYMORE IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE COVERING OVER IT.

PEOPLE LIKE THAT OPEN SPACE AND IT'S YOU KNOW, IF IT'S RAINING, YOUR CHANCES ARE YOU'RE GOING TO STAY HOME ANYWAY.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO STRIKE THE 75,000 TOTALLY IN SUPPORT OF THE SAFETY FENCE AT FRITS AND THE AND THE GRASS AT WHOLE CRESCENT.

I THINK THAT'S A SAFETY ISSUE AS WELL.

SO I'M IN SUPPORT OF THAT PORTION BUT WOULD LIKE TO STRIKE THE 75,000.

THANK YOU. THAT WAS SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR FEQUET.

ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE MOTION TO REDUCE THIS ITEM BY 75,000 AND CUT THE AMPITHEATER.

COUNCILLOR MCGURK. I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I THINK THAT IF WE ARE INTERESTED IN DOING SOMETHING IN THAT SPACE.

THE POINT OF IT BEING A REALLY BEAUTIFUL PLACE THAT'S OPEN IS LIKE WHAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR THERE AND THAT I THINK THAT IF THERE WAS AN INTEREST IN RETURNING TO THIS AND HAVING IF WE'D VOTE AND LIKE STRIKE IT DOWN.

BUT WE DO WANT TO RETURN TO LOOKING AT HAVING A COVERING, WE SHOULD LOOK AT A TEMPORARY OPTION AND FOR IT'LL BE BOTH CHEAPER AND ALSO MAINTAIN THE SORT OF AESTHETIC INTEGRITY OF THE SPACE.

AND THAT IS ONE THING THE PRIVATE MARKET IS ABLE TO FILL RIGHT NOW.

AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE TRY NOT TO COMPETE WITH THEM.

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THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THIS MAINLY BECAUSE MOST USERS THAT DO USE THE SPACE USUALLY BRING THEIR OWN CANOPIES TENTS.

WHEN WE LOOK AT LOOKING AT THE MARKETS A LOT OF THE MARKETEERS BRING THEIR OWN EQUIPMENT OUT.

ANYTHING TO COVER THEIR TABLES.

THEY HAVE ALL THOSE THINGS.

SAME WITH ANY PERFORMERS.

THERE'S USUALLY A REALLY NICE SETUP THERE, AND I THINK IT WOULD TAKE AWAY FROM THE BEAUTIFUL JE NE SAIS QUOI THAT IS THAT OPEN AIR SPACE . THEN OUR CHRISTMAS TREE WOULD HAVE TO MOVE AGAIN.

IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BUMPED AROUND.

SEEING NOTHING FURTHER.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? WE'LL JUST GIVE GARRETT A MOMENT AND THAT CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

ANYTHING FURTHER ON OUTDOOR RECREATION.

YES, MADAM CHAIR.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO VOTE IN TO REMOVE THE THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A SECONDER? COUNCILLOR FEQUET.

WE'LL JUST LET COUNCILLOR COCHRANE DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD ON THAT MOTION? NO, I THINK IT'S PRETTY REASONABLE TO THINK THAT'S NEVER BEEN A PROBLEM.

I DON'T SEE WHY WE'D BE NEEDING TO INSTALL A FENCE FOR SOMETHING [INAUDIBLE].

THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR FEQUET.

I'M HAPPY TO SECOND THAT MOTION JUST TO GET IT ON THE TABLE, BUT I GUESS I WOULD DEFER TO THE MAYOR AND THE ADMINISTRATION.

COULD WE GET EXAMPLE THE COST THAT STEVE ALREADY ASKED ABOUT FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT? I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE BEFORE DECIDING TO STRIKE IT OR NOT, AND ALSO GET A SENSE OF WHAT THE SAFETY FENCING IS LOOKING LIKE.

IS IT BRAND NEW FENCE? IS IT JUST A COVER ON THE TOP OF THE FENCE? IF IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE? I THINK OBVIOUSLY PUBLIC SAFETY IS OUR MOST IMPORTANT JOB UP HERE.

AND SO MAYBE I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND IT TO GET ON THE FLOOR, BUT ASK FOR MORE INFORMATION BEFORE WE MAKE THAT DECISION.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT PROCESS MADAM MAYOR.

FOR SURE. YEAH.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT WE COULD TABLE THIS FOR NOW.

IF ADMIN NEEDS A BIT OF TIME TO GET THE, I'VE GOT THE RESPONSE OR SORRY.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, THIS IS ABSOLUTELY A SAFETY ISSUE.

IT'S REQUIRED BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME HARD HITTERS IN THIS TOWN THAT ARE BELTING BALLS ALL OVER THE PLACE.

AND SO TO BE ABLE TO ENSURE THAT THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD IS KEPT SAFE, THIS FENCING IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE.

AND I BELIEVE THAT MR. WHITE DOES HAVE MORE INFORMATION TO SHARE, INCLUDING COST.

THANK YOU, MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

THIS PROJECT IS A $50,000 PROJECT.

WE'RE BRINGING IT FORWARD ADMINISTRATIVELY BASED ON INPUT THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THERE HAVE BEEN KIDS WHO NOBODY HAS BEEN HIT BY A BALL, BUT BALLS HAVE LANDED IN THE AREA WHERE THE KIDS ARE PLAYING.

AND THAT'S REALLY THE GENESIS OF OF THIS PROJECT.

THANKS. THANK YOU.

ANYTHING FURTHER, COUNCILLOR FEQUET? NOPE. THAT'S GREAT. THANKS.

THANKS. GREAT. THANK YOU.

WHICH I GUESS DOING THE MATH AND WHOLE CRESCENT COMES TO 115 K.

SEEING, NODDING HEADS. THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR PAYNE.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I'M ASSUMING THE FENCE IS PROTECTING THE PARK RIGHT THERE.

THE KIDS PARK.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

THANK YOU. YES, IN LARGE PART THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

I'LL ASK MR. WHITE TO ELABORATE.

YES. SORRY, I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THAT IN MY PREVIOUS COMMENTS.

IT'S A 20 FOOT FENCE THAT PROTECTS THE PLAYGROUND FROM FLY BALLS, SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU WOULD SEE AT TOMMY FOREST.

THAT BIG FENCE THAT WAS THERE.

YEAH, I WHEN I PLAYED BALL, I KNOW ME AND CHRIS, WE COULD HIT THAT PARK EASILY.

SO I SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE, I MEAN, I COULD HAVE HURT A KID AND CHRIS COULD HAVE HURT A KID.

SO I'M HAPPY THAT THIS IS GOING FORWARD.

I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE WITH FRIENDS OF MINE BECAUSE OF MY LONG RANGE HITTING, AND I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT IT'S FINALLY BEING ADDRESSED. [LAUGHTER] AND I DON'T HAVE TO FEEL BAD ABOUT SEVERELY DAMAGING A CHILD.

THANK YOU. LEARNING SO MUCH ABOUT YOUR ATHLETIC PURSUITS IN THE BASKETBALL LEAGUE YOU WERE IN AND ANYTHING FURTHER ON THE MOTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF REDUCING THIS ITEM BY 50,000 BY STRIKING THE [INAUDIBLE] FENCE.

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COUNCILLOR COCHRANE, ARE YOU WITH US? I'M GOING TO SAY IT'S DEFEATED.

EVERYBODY HERE WAS OPPOSED AND WE CAN MARK IT FOR THE RECORD, IF YOU WANT, COUNCILLOR COCHRANE, WHETHER YOU'RE IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED.

BUT FOR THE RECORD, THAT MOTION FAILS.

ANYTHING FURTHER ON OUTDOOR RECREATION? SEEING NONE.

NEXT WE HAVE PARK EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT PAGE 143.

COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN. THANKS, MADAM CHAIR.

I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT SPECIFIC UPDATES ARE PLANNED FOR THE LATHAM ISLAND MULTI SPORT COURT.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

WE'VE PUT QUITE A BIT OF WORK INTO THE LATHAM ISLAND NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.

WE CERTAINLY WANT TO ATTRACT PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO COME AND ENJOY WHAT WE HAVE DONE THERE, INCLUDING SOME OF THE ACCESSIBILITY STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED. I'LL ASK MR. WHITE IF HE'D LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT FUTURE AND ONGOING PLANS.

THANK YOU. MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

THE SPECIFIC WORK THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE ON THE SPORT COURT IS REPLACEMENT.

CURRENTLY IT'S HEAVED, HAS LOW SPOTS, HAD HIGH SPOTS, THERE ARE POTHOLES.

SO IT'S BEING ADDRESSED AS A SAFETY ISSUE AND LOOKING AFTER OUR ASSETS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR FEQUET.

THANKS, MADAM CHAIR. YEAH, THIS IS GREAT TO SEE.

I MEAN, IT'S GOOD WE HAVE SIMPLE MATH.

LIFETIME OF A PLAY STRUCTURE IS 20 YEARS.

WE'VE GOT 20 PLAYGROUNDS EASY.

I GUESS I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF STAFF COULD SPEAK TO IT A LITTLE BIT MORE.

IS IT A SCHEDULE THAT'S PRESCRIBED BY THE ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN, OR IS IT ALSO DOES IT ALSO CONSIDER FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHICH PARKS ARE EITHER IN DISREPAIR OR BEING USED MOST? OR MAYBE THERE'S A LOT OF SAFETY HAZARDS AND MAINTENANCE THAT KEEP POPPING UP.

I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF THE PUBLIC INPUT AND FEEDBACK INFORMS OUR KIND OF ROTATION OF WHEN WE REPLACE AND PUT IN NEW PARKS.

THANKS.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

ABSOLUTELY IT DOES, ALONG WITH ENSURING THAT WE COMPLY WITH THE REGULATIONS THAT SURROUND SAFETY EQUIPMENT, WE KNOW THAT THERE CAN BE A LOT OF ERRING ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION WHEN USING PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT.

WE LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR EQUIPMENT IS SAFE FOR KIDS TO USE YEAR ROUND.

I'LL ASK MR. WHITE IF HE COULD EXPAND ON THAT.

YEP. THANK YOU, MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

THE PLAYGROUNDS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT OUR CITY OWNED ARE REALLY LOOKED AFTER BY STAFF THAT ARE CERTIFIED UNDER THE CANADIAN PLAYGROUND SAFETY INSTITUTE.

IT REGULATES HOW THEY'RE INSPECTED AND WHEN THEY'RE INSPECTED.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A CONTRACTOR THAT IS IN TOWN ANNUALLY AND DOES THE INSPECTIONS AS WELL.

IN TERMS OF PUBLIC CONSULTATION WHEN IT'S TIME TO REPLACE THE PLAYGROUND THERE IS A NEIGHBORHOOD GATHERING AND THERE'S INPUT INTO WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THAT PARTICULAR PARK.

AND OF COURSE, IT'S BUDGET DRIVEN AND WE PROVIDE CATALOG CUTS AND THERE'S FEEDBACK THAT RESULTS IN A COMMUNITY PLAN AND AND CITY BUILT PLAYGROUND.

THANKS. THANK YOU.

I JUST HAD OUR CROWN JEWEL HERE, THE ACCESSIBLE PLAYGROUND.

I KNOW WE CAN'T CREATE THAT IN EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT JUST WONDERING ABOUT COMPONENTS OF THAT.

WILL WE BE LOOKING TO ADD THOSE TO THE OTHER PLAYGROUNDS AROUND THE AREA? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.

THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION AND SOMETHING THAT WE'RE HOPING TO GET A LOT MORE ENGAGEMENT AND FEEDBACK ON WHEN WE HAVE OUR ACCESSIBILITY COMMITTEE IN PLACE.

WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT OPTIONS WHETHER OR NOT IT'S PROVIDING A PIECE OF ACCESSIBLE EQUIPMENT IN EVERY PARK, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE PARKS THAT ARE FULLY ACCESSIBLE.

A HANDFUL OF PARKS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.

AGAIN, NOTHING QUITE AT THE LEVEL OF THE BEAUTIFUL PLAYGROUND THAT WE HAVE HERE AT BESIDE SOMBA K'E. BUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE SMALLER PARKS THAT ARE ONE IN FRAME, LIKE ONE IN OLD TOWN, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WOULD BE FULLY ACCESSIBLE.

SO THERE'S WORK THAT WE'RE DOING THROUGH CONSULTATIONS, AND I'LL ASK MR. WHITE IF YOU'D LIKE TO EXPAND ON THAT.

THANK YOU. YEAH, THANK YOU.

IF YOU HAD READ THROUGH THE SORRY AS YOU HAVE READ THROUGH THE CAPITAL BUDGET AND THE ACCESSIBILITY WORK THAT WAS DONE, THERE HAVE BEEN BENCHES AND PICNIC TABLES THAT ARE SERVICEABLE THROUGH ASPHALT TRAILS AND ASPHALT PADS.

AND THEN AS MS. BASSI-KELLETT MENTIONED, THAT AS WE WORK THROUGH EACH OF OUR PLAYGROUNDS, WE DO INTRODUCE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS THAT ARE ACCESSIBLE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

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AND SO, YEAH, THERE'S HOPEFULLY SOME OF THOSE ELEMENTS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THAT IT'S NOT THE FULL PLAYGROUND, BUT JUST MORE ACCESSIBLE COMPONENTS.

SEEING NOTHING FURTHER ON THIS ONE.

NEXT IS THE PATCHING PROGRAM.

PAGE 145.

COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN. THANK YOU.

JUST LIKE TO GET A DESCRIPTION OF HOW THE PATCHING PROGRAM IS PLANNED AND ROLLED OUT ACROSS THE CITY.

I ASKED THIS BECAUSE I'VE NOTICED, AND IT'S BEEN POINTED OUT TO ME BY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT SOME SPOTS JUST SORT OF SIT UNPATCHED FOR LARGE CHUNKS OF THE SUMMER.

PARTICULARLY THERE WAS ONE ON FRANKLIN LAST YEAR.

JUST WONDERING HOW THAT PROGRAM IS PLANNED AND ROLLED OUT? MS. BASSI-KELLETT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

I'LL ASK MR. GREENCORN TO RESPOND.

THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF EXPLAIN HOW THE PATCHING BUDGET ROLLS OUT.

IT'S COMPLETED ON A NUMBER OF, WELL, ACTUALLY TWO SEPARATE STREAMS. SO WE HAVE OUR ROADS AND SIDEWALKS PATCHES, WHICH ARE GENERAL PATCHES THAT WE DO ON SURFACE TREATMENT OF ROAD RUTTING, POTHOLES, THINGS LIKE THAT.

THEN THERE'S A SEPARATE SET OF THE PATCHING PROGRAM WHICH IS RELATED TO WATER AND SEWER PATCHES WHICH HAVE BEEN GENERATED THROUGH OUR SERVICE CONNECTION FAILURE ASSISTANCE PLAN.

SO THOSE ARE TWO DISTINCT, WHILE NOT COMPLETELY DETAILED OUT IN HERE, THAT'S HOW WE ROLL OUT THE PATCHING BUDGET.

THESE ARE PUT OUT TO TENDER EVERY YEAR TO OUR LOCAL CONTRACTORS AND THEY DO THEM ON A BASIS THAT WE PUT OUT SO MANY, THEY COMPLETE THEM, WE ASSESS THEM, WE PUT OUT ANOTHER SET.

SO THAT'S HOW THEY GET DETERMINED.

THAT'S KIND OF IT IN A NUTSHELL.

WE GENERALLY, OUR ROADS AND SIDEWALKS CREW, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, SPENDS A LOT OF TIME ON THE ROAD IN THE SPRINGS.

THEY ASSESS EACH ROAD, THEY ACTUALLY DRIVE THEM.

I USED TO DO IT MYSELF AND THEN DETERMINE THE IMPACT ON RESIDENTS.

SO IF IT'S A FRANKLIN ONE, WE GENERALLY TRY TO GET TO IT RIGHT AWAY.

THERE MIGHT BE I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE ONE YOU MENTIONED, BUT THERE MIGHT BE CONTRIBUTING FACTORS TO THAT.

BUT WE TRY TO GET THOSE ONES ON PUBLIC TRANSIT ROUTES, ON EMERGENCY ROUTES DONE AS SOON AS WE CAN.

THEN OBVIOUSLY IT FALLS TO A DIFFERENT PRIORITY SYSTEM ON THE SIDE ROADS.

SO WE DO ASSESS IT EVERY YEAR.

AND IF SOME GET CARRIED OVER FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR, THOSE FUNNEL UP TO THE TOP FOR THE NEXT YEAR SO THAT THEY DON'T SIT TOO LONG BECAUSE WE DON'T WE DON'T LIKE PATCHES SITTING FOR LONG LENGTHS IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS OR ON MAJOR STREETS.

SO THAT'S HOW WE PRIORITIZE THE PATCHING PROGRAM.

GREAT. THANKS FOR THE INFO.

THANK YOU.

SEEING NOTHING FURTHER ON THAT.

THE NEXT WE HAVE IS THE PAVING PROGRAM.

AND COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN DID YOU WANT TO EXCUSE YOURSELF? I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER AND JUST SORT OF MENTIONED THAT I SHOULD FLAG IT.

AND IF NO ONE ELSE HAS ANY CONCERNS.

I PERSONALLY DON'T, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FINANCIALLY GAIN FROM THIS DECISION AS LONG AS YOU'RE ABLE TO APPROACH THE DISCUSSION WITH AN OPEN MIND, THEN I DON'T HAVE CONCERNS.

SEEING NOBODY OPPOSED.

THINK YOU CAN STAY.

THANK YOU FOR RAISING IT AND FOR BEING DILIGENT AND CHECKING BASES.

SO COUNCILLOR FEQUET, YOU HAD A QUESTION.

YEAH. WITH RESPECT TO THE PAVING PROGRAM, THERE WAS SOME PUBLIC FEEDBACK THAT CAME TO ONE OF THE I THINK IT WAS ONE OF THE GOVERNANCE AND PRIORITIES COMMITTEE MEETING FROM A RESIDENT TALKING ABOUT THE NEW DEVELOPMENT ALONG SCHOOL DRAW AND LIKE ANGLE PARKING.

REALLY TRYING TO IMPROVE THAT AREA IN THAT SPACE TO NOT ONLY MAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD WORK A BIT BETTER, BUT ALSO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR ROTARY PARK.

I THINK YOU GUYS REMEMBER THAT EMAIL THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT AND JUST WONDERING IF THAT'S BEING INCORPORATED OR CONSIDERED BY STAFF AS THE PAVING PROGRAM ROLLS OUT.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

I'LL ASK MR. GREENCORN IF HE'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE PAVING PROGRAM.

THANKS FOR THE QUESTION. SPECIFIC TO THE SCHOOL DRAW AREA IS NOT CONTEMPLATED FOR IN THIS PAVING PROGRAM.

WHAT WE WILL TAKE AWAY FROM THIS YEAR IS THE REQUEST.

IF COUNCIL WISHES, WE WILL DO AN ASSESSMENT OF SCHOOL DRAW THE WIDTH, THE GEOMETRY OF THE AREA TO SEE WHAT PARKING CAN BE ACCOMMODATED THERE WITHOUT MAJOR EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS.

OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD IT IS QUITE WIDE COMPARED TO SOME OTHER STREETS, SO WE'LL TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT AND DO AN ASSESSMENT TO SEE WHAT CAN BE ACCOMMODATED THERE AND BRING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION.

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AND THEN IF COUNCIL IF WE WANT TO DISCUSS THAT FURTHER, I THINK WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR TODAY.

BUT SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, BECAUSE AGAIN, IT WON'T BE INCLUDED IN THE 2023 BUDGET.

BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER FOR FUTURE YEARS, THE THING THAT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN WOULD BE LIKE WHEN SCHOOL DRAWS DUE FOR PAVING, SINCE IF THAT GETS TO TO LEAPFROG OVER OTHER ROADS, I KNOW A LOT OF RESIDENTS PATIENTLY WAIT FOR THEIR TURN.

SO COUNCILLOR FEQUET, DID YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT? DEPUTY MAYOR ARDEN-SMITH.

THANK YOU. JUST WONDERING WHY WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THE BUDGET FOR 2024 FOR THE PAVING PROGRAM? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

MR. GREENCORN.

SO GLAD YOU ASKED.

WHAT WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO HERE IS DO A COUPLE OF THINGS.

WE TABLED THIS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHERE WE WANTED TO GO WITH AN ALTERNATING PAVING WATER, SEWER CAPITAL PLAN FOR TWOFOLD REASONS. ONE IS TO FREE UP.

I DON'T WANT TO SAY FREE UP, BUT REALLOCATE FUNDS TO OTHER PROJECTS SUCH AS THE LIFT STATION REBUILD.

WE'RE SEEING INCREASED COSTS.

WE'RE SEEING INCREASED SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO, I GUESS, BOTH MANAGE OUR FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY APPROPRIATELY AND AS WELL AS STAFF TIME.

SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE COMING INTO, I GUESS.

A CULMINATION OF A LOT OF PROJECTS THE DMAF, THE SUBMARINE WATER LINE, THE LIFT STATION THAT'S REQUIRED A SIGNIFICANT.

YOU'LL SEE IN THE NEXT FEW PAGES A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WORK ON THE WATER LICENSE PROJECTS.

SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS BOTH ALLEVIATE SOME PRESSURE ON STAFF AND ON THE CAPITAL FUND ITSELF, I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S AMPLE OPPORTUNITY TO DO BOTH.

WITH THIS PROGRAM, YOU'LL SEE IN 2025 THAT THAT $200,000 ALLOTMENT IS FOR US TO TAKE A GOOD LOOK.

AND THAT'S BASICALLY ENGINEERING FOR FRANKLIN HILL.

FRANKLIN HILL IS LETTING GO AGAIN AND IT'S BECOMING PROBLEMATIC.

SO WE WANT TO SEE IF WE CAN REALLY STABILIZE THAT SLOPE.

AND THIS BREAK IN THE PLAN WILL GIVE US SOME OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOME RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT ON ANY NEW TACTICS WE CAN TAKE.

IT'LL GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO PHASE THAT PROJECT ACCORDINGLY AND THEN COME OUT IN 2026 AFTER YOU'LL SEE IN THE WATER SEWER PROGRAM LATER YOU WILL SEE SOME WORK COMING OUT IN 25, 26 FOR WATER AND SEWER.

AND THEN WE'LL BEGIN, WE WOULD HOPE TO BEGIN OUR ALTERNATING WATER AND SEWER PAVING PROGRAM, AND THAT SHOULD FREE UP IN A TEN YEAR SPAN, I BELIEVE THAT IT'LL FREE UP ANYWHERE BETWEEN EIGHT AND $10 MILLION BY DOING IT IN THIS MANNER INSTEAD OF DOING PAVING AND WATER AND SEWER EVERY YEAR.

SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION.

BUT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO ADDRESS TWO THINGS THE STAFF ISSUES AND THE OVERALL PRESSURE ON THE CAPITAL FUND.

DEFINITELY. SO THAT ANSWERS MY NEXT QUESTION OF IF WE TRANSFERRED SOME OF THE BUDGET OVER TO 2024.

SO YOU HAVE A MASTER PLAN.

GLAD TO SEE AND I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT FRANKLIN HILL WILL BE ADDRESSED BECAUSE I LOVE GOING THAT LOVELY DIP.

JUST WONDERING IF THIS IS GOING TO BE THE DAY MY TRUCK TIPS OVER.

SO THANK YOU.

IT'S HARD MOTHER NATURE'S GOT A LITTLE STREAM UNDER THERE AND JUST WE'LL SEE IF THE ENGINEERS CAN BE THERE THIS TIME.

COUNCILLOR MCGURK. YEAH, JUST BACK TO WHAT COUNCILLOR FEQUET WAS ASKING ABOUT.

I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHAT IF WE OWN THE PULL OUT NEXT TO THE ACCESS ROAD ENTRY? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I DON'T KNOW.

WE NEED TO JUST HAVE A QUICK LOOK AT CITY EXPLORER, BUT WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU WITH THAT INFORMATION AND HAVE A LOOK.

THAT'S A CITY PARK.

YES. CORRECT. YEAH.

I GUESS WE COULD MAYBE LOOK AT THAT, TOO.

IT'S A VERY UNDERUTILIZED SPACE.

I THINK WE HAVE PEOPLE PARKING LIKE ALONG THE TURNOFF OR THE.

IT'S THE. YOU KNOW, I THINK EVERYONE HERE KNOWS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

YEAH. IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT CAME UP, POPPED INTO MY HEAD AS RYAN WAS SPEAKING, LIKE IT'S A SPACE THAT IS NOT VERY WELL UTILIZED AND THERE ARE CARS THERE ALL THE TIME ANYWAYS.

SO THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.

YEAH, JUST ASKING.

SO THIS CARRY FORWARD HERE TOO LIKE 600,000 PLUS 6.4 MILLION.

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AND I UNDERSTAND THE THINKING BEHIND IT.

THAT'S AWESOME. JUST WONDERING IF WE HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT THERE'S CAPACITY WITHIN THE CITY TO GET ALL THIS PAVING DONE IN ONE SUMMER? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

WE REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE THAT QUESTION.

AND CERTAINLY CHRIS AND HIS TEAM DO A LOT OF WORK AND SPLIT UP BUDGETS TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS A BENEFIT FOR THE COMMUNITY OVERALL FOR SOME OF OUR CONTRACTOR AND CONSULTANT PARTNERS.

I WILL ASK HIM IF HE'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO OUR INTERNAL CAPACITY AROUND MANAGING PROJECTS.

THERE IS A LOT THAT THEY MANAGE.

WE FRANKLY NEVER SEE THE ENGINEERS FROM MAY UNTIL SEPTEMBER.

THEY'RE ALWAYS OUT IN THE FIELD.

THEY'RE NEVER IN CITY HALL.

I WILL ANECDOTALLY REMEMBER NOT SEEING ONE ENGINEER FOR A LONG TIME UNTIL I SAW HIM CLIMBING A TRAFFIC LIGHT AT THE TURN TO RUTH INCH POOL.

SO, MR. GREENCORN, OVER TO YOU.

THANKS FOR THE QUESTION. IT IS A HEAVY PAVING PROGRAM.

I BELIEVE THERE'S CAPACITY IN TOWN TO DO IT WITH TWO PAVING CONTRACTORS.

I MEAN, SPLIT ROUGHLY IN HALF IT'LL BE ABOUT THREE AND A HALF EACH, WHICH SHOULD BE EASY TO DO.

AS FAR AS INTERNAL STAFF GOES THEY ARE RELATIVELY EASY STREETS TO DO.

THERE'S NOT MUCH REHAB LIKE PRIVATE REHAB TO DO ON KAM LAKE ROAD OR DEHCHO BOULEVARD.

THEY'RE PRETTY EASY PULLS WE COULD LOOK AT AS SOME AS COUNCIL HAD QUESTIONS PRE-BUDGET WE COULD LOOK AT DEFERRING WILEY ROAD AND FRANKLIN TO 2024.

THAT WOULD BE RELATIVELY LOW IMPACT AND EASILY TO DO BUT THE OTHER ROADS IF YOU LOOK ON PAGE 147 SO HORDELL ROAD WAS WATER AND SEWER PAVING.

THAT'S A MUST DO. WE CAN'T LET THAT SIT FOR TOO LONG.

DEHCHO BOULEVARD AND KAM LAKE ROAD ARE MUST DO'S IN FOLLOWING COUNCIL'S DIRECTION AND MOTIONS TO BRING TRANSIT INTO THE KAM LAKE SYSTEM THOSE ROADS ARE BUMPY AND ARE HARD ON BUSSES, SO WE'D LIKE TO GET THOSE OFF THE BOOKS.

AND THEN ONE THAT'S NOT LISTED HERE BUT WAS CARRIED OVER FROM 2022 IS 50TH STREET BECAUSE WE DID NOT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO PROCURE PIPE IN TIME TO GET THE UNDERGROUND PIPE WORK WATER REPAIRS DONE IN ORDER TO PAVE THE STREETS.

SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE CARRY FORWARD WILL BE TO COMPLETE 50TH STREET THIS SUMMER SO.

LONG WINDED ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION.

YES, I BELIEVE THERE'S CAPACITY IN TOWN AND BOTH IN STAFF TO DO THIS BECAUSE OF THE REASONS I JUST JUST EXPLAINED.

AND IS THERE PLANNING IN TERMS OF ADDRESSING THE IMPACT ON BUSINESSES? I KNOW THE OTHER SIDE GOT DONE THEIR LAST YEAR AND THE SCHEDULE SORT OF JUMPED AROUND AND SOME OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS FELT A PRETTY SEVERE IMPACT. YEAH.

HOW WOULD THAT SORT OF BE MANAGED? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

MR. GREENCORN.

IN PARTICULAR IN THE OLD TOWN, WE DO OUR BEST TO CONSULT WITH ALL THE BUSINESSES THERE AND OUR GOAL IS ZERO IMPACT, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.

SO WE TRY TO MAINTAIN ALL OF OUR SERVICES WATER, SEWER, TRUCKED GARBAGE, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC REQUESTS SUCH AS AS [INAUDIBLE], YOU MENTIONED IN THE PREAMBLE HERE, WE WOULD DEFINITELY REACH OUT TO THEM SPECIFICALLY AND SEE HOW WE CAN MINIMIZE AND WHAT THEIR, I GUESS, PEAK TIMES ARE OR OPERATIONAL REQUIREMENTS AND SEE IF WE CAN AVOID THAT.

IN SAYING THAT THERE IS SOME LEVEL OF RISK WITH A ONE WAY IN, ONE WAY OUT TYPE OF SCENARIO.

BUT I THINK OVERALL WHEN WE DO WORK IN OLD TOWN, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S SOME DEFINITELY SOME IMPACT, WE TRY TO MINIMIZE THAT DISRUPTION QUITE A BIT.

I CAN REMEMBER MORRISON DRIVE LIKE EVEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MCDONALD DRIVE LAST YEAR LIKE.

I KNOW THERE ARE SOME.

I DON'T WANT TO SAY GRUMBLINGS.

I'M TRYING TO BE LIKE, SUPER RESPECTFUL, BUT LIKE THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME IMPACTS, BUT WE TRY TO MINIMIZE DETRIMENTAL IMPACTS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

AND I THINK WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.

AND IS THERE ANY IDEA HOW LONG THE KAM LAKE ROAD WOULD TAKE? AND SO THE DETOUR WOULD BE AROUND CURRY.

[INAUDIBLE] MS. BASSI-KELLETT. MR. GREENCORN.

THE DETOUR WOULD BE AROUND CURRY.

I ANTICIPATE THIS PAVING WILL TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER.

WE'RE TRYING TO INCORPORATE SOME TRAIL WORK THAT'S BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR SOME TIME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE CONNECTIONS TO THE GRAYSLAKE NEIGHBORHOOD DOWN ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD.

SO IN SAYING THAT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO NAIL DOWN PAVING SCHEDULES.

SO FROM START TO FINISH, I WOULD THINK KAM LAKE ROAD COULD BE DONE IN THE SPAN OF 6 TO 7 WEEKS.

AT THIS POINT, THAT'S UP TO THE CONTRACTOR WHEN WE SCHEDULE MEANS AND METHODS AND SCHEDULES ARE AT THEIR DISCRETION.

AND I CAN'T SAY THAT THEY WOULD DO KAM LAKE FIRST OR LAST AT THIS POINT.

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COUNCILLOR WARBURTON. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

THE OPPOSITE VAIN SO WE HAVE TWO CONTRACTORS THAT CAN HANDLE THAT LOAD.

ARE WE GOING TO LOSE PAVING CAPACITY IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY GOING TO PAVING COMPANIES THE LAST TWO YEARS? SPEAKING OF HARD TO STAFF THINGS.

JUST SOME THOUGHTS AROUND HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT MAINTAINING CAPACITY IN THE CITY? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. MR. GREENCORN.

WELL, WE HOPE WITH, I GUESS, PATCHING PROGRAMS AND PLANNING, WE HOPE THAT AND OTHER WORKS THAT THOSE CONTRACTORS ARE ABLE TO ENGAGE IN, WHETHER IT'S UNDERGROUND WATER AND SEWER OR THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO MAINTAIN CAPACITY.

I AM ALSO AWARE THAT MANY OF THEIR PAVING CREWS ARE SUBCONTRACT FROM THE SOUTH.

SO [INAUDIBLE] AND I BELIEVE NWT CONSTRUCTION ALSO BRINGS A CREW FROM DOWN SOUTH TO DO THEIR ACTUAL ASPHALT MATS.

CONCRETE WORK IS DONE LOCALLY, BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY A HUGE PORTION OF OUR PAVING PROGRAMS. IT'S SIGNIFICANT, BUT IT'S NOT THE MAIN IT'S NOT THE MAIN COST.

SO I BELIEVE THAT LOCAL CAPACITY, IF PLANNED PROPERLY.

AND I USE THAT WITH ALL IGNORANCE BECAUSE I'M NOT A BUSINESS OWNER AND I DON'T KNOW.

BUT WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE BEST PATH FORWARD TO AGAIN, MANAGE STAFF TIME AND THOSE IMPACTS ON STAFF AND THE CAPITAL FUND BUDGET.

AND WHEN IT COMES TO THE PLAN TO GO ALTERNATING YEARS FOR PAVING AND SEWER, HAS THAT BEEN LIKE HAS [INAUDIBLE] KIND OF CAUGHT UP TO THAT PLAN.

WHAT I MEAN, LIKE IS THAT IS THAT PLAN THINKING ABOUT LONG TERM WATER AND SEWER? LIKE, DOES THAT DELAY THE REPLACEMENT OF THOSE THINGS OR.

I CAN'T ARTICULATE REALLY WELL HERE, BUT I THINK YOU GET WHAT I'M SAYING.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

KNOW, I'M SURE MR. GREENCORN IS ABOUT TO TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH WE FOCUSED ON LINEAR ASSETS.

AND NOW THEN WE NEED TO GET UP ABOVE GROUND.

BUT MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

MR. GREENCORN.

YEAH, IT'S JUST THAT ALTERNATING BETWEEN IT'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO HIT IF YOU LOOK AT OUR STREETS FROM AN ASSET MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE, THIS WILL OBVIOUSLY DELAY OUR ACTION OR I GUESS ON THE ACTUAL SURFACING OF STREETS.

WHAT IT IS GOING TO DO IS REFOCUS THAT FUNDING TO WHAT MADAME MAYOR JUST SAID.

AND WE'VE LARGELY AND HEAVILY INVESTED IN UNDERGROUND INFRASTRUCTURE TO THE TUNE OF I BELIEVE MY LAST FIGURES WERE $85 MILLION DOLLARS SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE AND ALMOST NONE INTO COMPLEX OR POINT ASSETS SUCH AS PUMP HOSES AND LIFT STATIONS.

WE HAVE I CAN'T SAY WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY WORK, BUT WE HAVEN'T DONE FULSOME LIKE PROJECTS SUCH AS THIS.

WE'VE DONE PIPING REPLACEMENTS OR A GENERATOR INSTALL OR THINGS LIKE THAT, AND THESE ASSETS ARE STARTING TO SHOW THEIR WARES.

SO WHILE IT IS GOING TO IMPACT SOMEWHAT THE UNDERGROUND AND WE'RE NOT SAYING WE'RE GOING TO ELIMINATE UNDERGROUND INFRASTRUCTURE REPLACEMENT, WE'RE JUST TAKING A DIFFERENT APPROACH TO TRY TO REFOCUS SOME OF OUR FUNDING INTO THOSE COMPLEX ASSETS AND NOT JUST LINEAR INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO. IT SHOULD BE A NET POSITIVE BENEFIT FROM AN ASSET MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE.

COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

I'M GOING TO TAKE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON THE TRANSPORTATION AND PARKING DISCUSSION.

SO DO THESE COSTS INCLUDE CHANGES TO ROAD LAYOUT THAT ACCOUNT FOR PROTECTED ACTIVE TRANSIT? OR IS THIS ONLY CONTEMPLATING REPAVING OF THE ROADS AS THEY CURRENTLY SIT? I SAY THIS RECOGNIZING THAT ACTIVE TRANSIT IS A KEY PART OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND THE TRAIL ENHANCEMENT AND CONNECTIVITY STRATEGY.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

AND WE CERTAINLY SEE MORE AND MORE EVERY WINTER, WE SEE MORE PEOPLE THAT ARE CHOOSING TO BICYCLE YEAR LONG, THAT ARE CHOOSING DIFFERENT WAYS OF GETTING AROUND RATHER THAN USING VEHICLES. SO CERTAINLY PART OF WHAT OUR DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ASPIRE TO AND WE ARE STILL WORKING ON THOSE THEY ARE A WORK IN PROGRESS IS MAKING SURE THAT WHEN WE ARE FACING THE OPPORTUNITY OF REDOING AN AREA LIKE KAM LAKE ROAD THAT WE'RE ABLE TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.

I'LL ASK MR. GREENCORN TO SPEAK IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL.

THANKS FOR THE QUESTION.

WE ALWAYS, AGAIN, AS MS. BASSI-KELLETT SAID, WITH OUR NEW STANDARDS, WE ALWAYS MAKE AN ATTEMPT TO LOOK AT ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION.

AND WE'RE DOING THAT ON STREETS WITH RELATIVELY ACCOMMODATING GEOMETRY SUCH AS KAM LAKE ROAD.

SO WE HAVE BOTH THE ROAD ALLOWANCE AND THE ACTUAL REAL ESTATE TO LOOK AT INCORPORATING TRAILS AND

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IN OTHER AREAS OF TOWN SUCH AS WILEY ROAD, THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT TO DO WHILE MAINTAINING A PROPER ROAD ALLOWANCE AND A SIDEWALK.

SO IN THE OLD TOWN IT'LL BE IT'S DEFINITELY A BIT TIGHTER, BUT IN ALL THOSE OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES, WE'LL BE DEFINITELY LOOKING FORWARD TO INCORPORATING ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION AS MUCH AS WE CAN.

IN SAYING THAT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO ACCOMMODATE ALL ASPECTS OF ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION IN A PROTECTED PHASE.

WE TRIED THAT ON 52ND AVENUE AND WE ENDED UP WITH A RESULT THAT WASN'T EXACTLY EFFICIENT, I GUESS. BUT IT'S WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTED.

IT IS. IT IS WHAT WAS DECIDED ON.

AND SO SO THERE WE HAVE IT.

BUT DEFINITELY WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL WAYS TO TO INCORPORATE ACTIVE AND ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION WHEREVER WE CAN.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

I'D REALLY JUST ENCOURAGE CONTINUING TO LOOK AT THIS AS PART OF IT.

PEOPLE CHANGE THEIR TRANSIT WHEN THERE'S THIS SAFE PROTECTED OPTION AND THEY WON'T USE IT IF IT'S NOT SAFE AND PROTECTED.

I HEAR THIS ALL THE TIME FROM PEOPLE.

SO WHILE I MAY BE ONE OF THE FEW THAT ACTUALLY DOES IT ALL YEAR ROUND, THERE ARE LOTS OF PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY I KNOW WHO WOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.

SO I'LL GET OFF THAT HORSE NOW FOR THE REST OF THE EVENING.

BUT THANKS VERY MUCH.

NO, WE NEED THE CHAMPION.

[LAUGHTER] COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.

SPEAKING OF DEVELOPED STANDARDS, SO 50TH STREET GOT DELAYED.

WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO THAT THIS YEAR.

PORTIONS OF 50TH STREET TOWARDS CITY HALL HERE HAD THE BUMP OUTS, MID-BLOCK, THAT KIND OF THING.

AND THEN WE SAW THE REPAVING OF THE OTHER PART OF THE STREET AND IT WAS JUST A RUNWAY.

SO WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR THE 50TH STREET THAT WE NEED TO DO? AND ARE WE STANDARDIZING WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH DOWNTOWN STREETS? BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE WE KEEP GOING BACK AND FORTH.

SO WHAT ARE WE DOING? WHETHER WE HAVE THE MIDWAY CROSSWALK? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANKS VERY MUCH.

I'LL ASK MR. GREENCORN IF HE COULD SPEAK TO THIS.

52ND STREET AND 50TH WHERE WERE SPECIFICALLY LANDSCAPED AND DESIGNED STREETS.

WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT THAT MODEL FOR ALL DOWNTOWN STREETS, BUT IT REALLY DEPENDS ON A COUPLE OF THINGS.

THE UNDERGROUND IN 50TH STREET IS PROHIBITIVE TO ALLOW FOR BUMP OUTS.

THERE'S A UTILITY THERE, BOTH PAVING OR SORRY NORTHWES TEL AND NORTHLAND UTILITIES INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE AREA.

SO IT'S KIND OF OUR LIMITING FACTOR ON 50TH STREET.

SO THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING, I GUESS, LIKE YOU SAID, THE STRAIGHT PATH RUNWAYS INSTEAD OF A LANDSCAPE PULL OUT BUMP OUTS.

SO WE DID LOOK AT IT FOR 50TH STREET BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF OUR MAIN AREAS ESPECIALLY WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE VISITOR CENTER.

BUT UNFORTUNATELY WITH THOSE RESTRICTIONS IN PLACE ALONG WITH ZERO LOT LINES, IT MAKES IT A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT.

SO WE ARE LOOKING AT EACH STREET INDIVIDUALLY, I GUESS, AND TRYING TO APPLY A STANDARD TO IT.

BUT IF WE CAN'T MAKE IT WORK, THEN WE HAVE TO VARY FROM THAT.

ALL RIGHT. THANKS FOR THAT. I JUST ENCOURAGE THE SIDEWALKS TO BE LIKE WALKING ON FRANKLIN IS NICE BECAUSE IT'S WIDER.

SOME SIDEWALKS IN TOWN ARE, LIKE, THREE FEET WIDE.

SO I APPRECIATE WE CAN'T DO BUMP OUTS BECAUSE THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

BUT THE MORE ACCESSIBLE THE SIDEWALKS COULD BE, THAT'D BE GREAT.

THANKS. THANK YOU.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT ADMINISTRATION CAN ALSO CONSIDER ON SOME OF THE DOWNTOWN STREETS? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE CONTINUE TO HAVE OUR DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, AND WE'LL CERTAINLY TAKE THOSE UNDER CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR PAYNE.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

SO WE HAVE I MEAN, WE HAVE QUITE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR 2023 FOR THE PAVING PROGRAM.

I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT PATCHING IN THE LAST CONVERSATION, BUT WOULD IT MAKE SENSE FOR US TO MOVE THE PATCHING PROGRAM FROM 23 TO 24 TO HAVE A LARGER AMOUNT FOR 2024 SO THAT THE COMPANIES THAT ARE IN TOWN WON'T BE SORT OF WITHOUT WORK? I MEAN, SIX ONE HALF DOZEN THE OTHER.

BUT IT WOULD BE SORT OF NICE TO HAVE MORE TO DO IN 2024 IF THEY'RE BASICALLY SITTING ON THEIR HANDS WHEN IT COMES TO PAVING.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT. MR. GREENCORN. JUST SOME CLARIFICATION, COUNCILLOR PAYNE.

YOU YOU WOULD WANT TO MOVE REALLOCATE WHICH BUDGETS TO 2024? THERE IS AN ALLOCATION FOR PATCHING IN 24.

YEAH. YEAH. THERE IS 338,000.

BUT WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO, TO ADD THE 329,000 TO THAT FROM 2023.

SO WE'D BE REDUCING OUR BUDGET FOR THE 23 YEAR AND JUST MOVING INTO 2024 YEAR AND AT LEAST IT WOULD BE

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SO NO PATCHING IN 23, BUT ALL OF THE IN 24.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

I DON'T KNOW THE INS AND OUTS.

I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING YOUR WHAT IS THE ADVISABILITY OF HAVING NO PATCHING IN 2023? GO. MY ADVICE WOULD BE TO IF COUNCIL WISHES TO HAVE SOME LEVEL OF ASPHALT AND CONCRETE WORKS IN THE 2024 SEASON WOULD BE TO MOVE WILEY ROAD AND FRANKLIN AVENUE TO 2024 AND KEEP THE I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND KEEPING THE PATCH AND BUDGET IN 23.

WHEN MY RESPONSE TO COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN'S QUESTION ON THAT, WE DON'T WANT TO LEAVE SOME OF THOSE PATCHES TOO LONG.

SO WE TRY TO DO AS MANY AS WE CAN PER YEAR.

BUT IF AGAIN, THE APPETITE IS TO PROVIDE SOME RELIEF TO LOCAL CONTRACTORS IN THE 24 SEASON, WE COULD LOOK AT MOVING THOSE TWO STREETS, WILEY ROAD AND FRANKLIN I BELIEVE IT'LL BE. I CAN'T GIVE YOU THE EXACT FIGURES, BUT IT'LL BE SOMEWHERE AROUND 1.5 TO 1.6 MILLION FOR THOSE TWO STREETS.

YEAH.

I'D BE I'D BE OKAY WITH THAT.

I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO ENSURE BUSINESSES ARE DOING WELL.

BUT I DON'T THINK IT IS OUR JOB TO SORT OF CREATE OBSTACLES TO THEM DOING WELL EITHER.

SO I WOULD PUT FORWARD THAT MOTION AND HOPEFULLY I'LL GET A SECOND HERE.

SO THE MOTION WOULD BE TO MOVE THE WILEY ROAD AND WEAVER DRIVE AND THE FRANKLIN AVE PAVING FUNDS TO 2024.

DO WE HAVE A SECONDER. COUNCILLOR HENDRIKSEN.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? COUNCILLOR MCGURK. YEAH.

THIS IS LIKE A PRETTY, I MEAN, COMPLICATED ISSUE IN TERMS OF OR COMPLEX IN TERMS OF ARGUING WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A BENEFIT TO LOCAL COMPANIES.

AS SOMEONE WHO WORKS ACTIVELY, LIKE HAS WORKED ACTIVELY ALONGSIDE THESE CREWS, THE MAJORITY OF THEIR STAFF, LIKE I WOULD SAY 75% OR MORE FOR BASICALLY EVERY SINGLE PAVING AND CONCRETE COMPANY IS OUTSOURCED FROM THE SOUTH.

SO THE COMPANIES THEMSELVES CAN BE LOCATED HERE OFTEN, BUT THE ACTUAL STAFF WHO ARE DOING.

[INAUDIBLE] PLEASE PRESS [INAUDIBLE]. THE WORK.

[INAUDIBLE] IF YOU WISH TO REMAIN IN THE CONFERENCE PLEASE PRESS STAR ONE.

[INAUDIBLE].

GARRETT, YOU'RE STILL WITH US? I AM.

THANK YOU. YEAH.

SO I GUESS I'M NOT REALLY SURE IF, BUT IT STILL DOES IMPACT LOCAL BUSINESSES AND THAT THEY ARE THE ONES CONTRACTING THE PEOPLE THAT COME WORK FOR THEM. SO I GUESS BUT I WANTED TO KIND OF NOTE THAT FOR COUNCILLORS WHO MIGHT NOT BE AWARE OF LITERALLY THE DEGREE OF SOUTHERN EMPLOYMENT THAT OCCURS IN THIS IN THE SUMMERTIME FOR SPECIFICALLY PAVING AND CONCRETE.

SO I WOULD ACTUALLY HONESTLY BE CURIOUS TO IT'S HARD FOR ME TO WANT TO EVEN CONSIDER MAKING A DECISION ABOUT THAT WITH THAT IN MIND, I GUESS BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE A VERY IF WE TRANSFER THESE TWO ROAD PAVING JOBS INTO 2024 KIND OF DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF LUMPING THEM ALL TOGETHER FOR THIS FISCAL SO.

THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. SO WE MENTIONED STAFF CAPACITY BEING ANOTHER REASON FOR MOVING THESE OVER.

SO WHAT KIND OF IMPACT WOULD IT HAVE ON YOUR STAFF CAPACITY IF WE MOVED THOSE PROJECTS TO 24 MS. BASSI-KELLETT? MR. GREENCORN. WE'RE TRYING OUR BEST TO, I GUESS, MANAGE MULTIPLE SITUATIONS GOING ON.

SO COUNCIL ALSO HAS A ROLE TO PLAY IN THAT.

SO IF THERE IS AN APPETITE TO PROVIDE SOME RELIEF, WE WILL DEFINITELY MAKE IT WORK.

WE HAVE FOR THE BETTER PART OF A DECADE NOW.

SO IN SAYING THAT ALL OF THE PAVING PROJECTS ON THIS SLATE AREN'T SUPER COMPLEX AS SOMETHING AS COMPLEX AS SAY, DAGENAIS, DAGENAIS WAS SUPER COMPLEX.

THERE WERE, I CAN'T REMEMBER, 80 YARDS THAT REQUIRED YARD RECONSTRUCTION THAT REQUIRED LIKE A LOT OF NOT HAND-HOLDING, BUT

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WHILE THERE ARE SOME HERE, IT'S NOT AS COMPLEX IN THAT NATURE.

AND SO I DO BELIEVE THAT WE CAN HANDLE THE 1.5 MILLION IN 2024.

OTHERWISE I'D BE FIGHTING RELATIVELY HARD TO KEEP IT WHERE IT IS.

I MEAN, THAT'S NOT TO SAY MY PREVIOUS POINT DOESN'T HOLD.

WE ARE TRYING TO TO MANAGE HIGH WORKLOADS.

BUT IN SAYING THAT THIS WORK STILL NEEDS TO BE DONE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

SO. COUNCILLOR FEQUET.

THANKS, MADAM CHAIR. CAN ADMINISTRATION JUST SPEAK TO WHY THESE ROADS ARE IN THE DOCKET? WHY THESE TWO ARE UP FOR THE PAVING PROGRAM JUST SO WE CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND MAYBE THEIR IMPORTANCE FROM ADMINISTRATION'S PERSPECTIVE? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

MR. GREENCORN, THANKS FOR THE QUESTION.

THESE WERE PART OF THE ORIGINAL OVERALL LOOK, WHEN WE DID THE ROAD IN FRONT OF NWT BREWING THAT RAGGED ASS ROAD. FORGIVE ME, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE GALLERY DOWN THERE.

WE LOOKED AT THIS WHOLE AREA AND WE ENDED UP SETTLING AT THE TIME TO DO WHAT WAS MOST IMPORTANT.

THERE WAS A LOT OF DIFFERENTIAL SETTLEMENT IN FRONT OF THE AREAS THAT I JUST MENTIONED.

WHAT WE REALIZED IS AND WHAT WE SEE ON A REGULAR BASIS IS THAT WE HAVE TO PUT A LOT OF PATCHING AND MAINTENANCE INTO WILEY ROAD AND ONTO THAT PART OF [INAUDIBLE].

IF YOU DRIVE DOWN THERE NOW, YOU CAN ALREADY SEE THE MOVEMENT IN THE AREA, SO WE'D LIKE TO GET THOSE.

THEY ALSO ARE TRANSIT ROUTES.

WE HAVE SOME MAINTENANCE ISSUES FROM TIME TO TIME ON BUSSES BECAUSE THEY'RE BOTTOMING OUT IN CERTAIN AREAS BECAUSE OF THE LENGTH OF THE BUS AND THE DIFFERENTIAL SETTLEMENT IN THE ROAD. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE, WE LOOK AT MULTIPLE FACTORS.

YOU CAN SEE THEM JUST ABOVE THE TABLE.

SO WE LOOK AT THE AGE OF THE ASSET, THE RECURRING MAINTENANCE COSTS, THE PRIORITY LEVEL OF THE ROADWAY IMPACT TO RESIDENTS AND IF THERE ARE ANY UNDERGROUND INFRASTRUCTURE REQUIREMENTS. SO TAKING ALL THOSE INTO CONSIDERATION, THESE TWO PERCOLATED TO THE TOP OF THE LIST FOR THIS YEAR OR FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR.

THANKS. THANKS FOR THAT, CHRIS.

AND CAN YOU SPEAK TO WHETHER FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, UNDERSTANDING THE LIFT STATION ONE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S SLATED TO BEGIN IN 2023, DOES IT WOULD STAFF BELIEVE THAT IT'S BETTER TO GET THESE DONE AS SCHEDULED IN 2023 BEFORE ALL THAT TAKES PLACE? OR IS THERE SOME YOU KNOW, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER? BECAUSE I RECOGNIZE THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS HAPPENING IN THAT AREA, TOO.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY LINKAGE.

SO JUST CURIOUS.

IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO THAT.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT. MR. GREENCORN.

I DON'T SEE ANY SPECIFIC TIES BETWEEN THESE TWO STREETS AND THE LIFT STATION.

THEY'RE NOT HUGELY GEOGRAPHICALLY SPACED OUT, BUT THEY ARE IN ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, I GUESS SECTOR BASED.

SO WHILE ONE IS SURFACE AND ROAD REHAB, THE OTHER ONE IS A COMPLEX WATER OR SEWER LIFT, ASSET LIFT STATION ASSETS.

SO IN TERMS OF WORKLOAD, I'VE HAD LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF AND REALLY PUT THEM THROUGH THE WRINGER TO SEE, CAN YOU FOLKS GET THIS WORK DONE. AND THIS IS WHAT THEY'VE BROUGHT FORWARD FOR WHAT THEY BELIEVE IS REASONABLE.

SO THEY HAVE MY FULL TRUST.

SO I BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN THEY CAN MANAGE THIS AS PRESENTED.

COUNCILMAN. MCLENNAN.

I'M JUST LOOKING TO UNDERSTAND, LIKE, THE TRANSFERS AND THE TAXATION IMPLICATIONS.

SO IF WE WERE TO DEFER THOSE, WOULD WE THEN LOWER THE TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE CAPITAL FUND, THEREFORE LOWERING THE TAX THIS YEAR, BUT NECESSITATING A BIGGER TRANSFER NEXT YEAR? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. VERY GLAD YOU ASKED IT.

AND I WILL ASK MS. WOODWARD IF SHE WOULD WEIGH IN ON THAT IMPORTANT QUESTION.

THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

YES, THE OPTION IS ALWAYS THERE TO REDUCE THE TRANSFER TO CAPITAL TO KEEP A CERTAIN YEAR'S TAXES AT A CERTAIN LEVEL.

HOWEVER, I DO THINK IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT THIS WORK STILL HAS TO BE DONE.

SO EVEN IF WE'RE DEFERRING IT FOR A YEAR OR REJIGGING THE SCHEDULE A BIT, WE STILL HAVE TO COMMIT THE FUNDS TO LOOK AFTER THOSE ASSETS.

SO DECREASING THE TRANSFER TO CAPITAL IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM IS REALLY JUST KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE IT WILL COME BACK TO INCREASE TAXES IN THE FUTURE.

GOING BACK TO WHAT THE MAYOR HAD REFERENCED PREVIOUSLY, IT ALWAYS COSTS MORE DOWN THE ROAD AS WELL.

THANK YOU. YEAH.

THANKS FOR THAT PERSPECTIVE.

DEPUTY MAYOR ARDEN-SMITH.

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IT'S MORE OF A COMMENT IN GOING BACK TO WHAT MS. BASSI-KELLETT WAS SAYING. AND ACTUALLY, MS. WOODWARD, THESE THESE ITEMS ARE THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE.

MR. GREENCORN WAS LETTING US KNOW THAT HIS TEAM IS VERY CONFIDENT THAT THIS WORK CAN BE DONE BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE WAY FOR OTHER PROJECTS THAT WILL BE COMING OUR WAY IN 2024.

I THINK IF WE ARE ABLE TO GET THIS PAVING WORK DONE THIS YEAR, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER SUITED BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE HAPPENING IN 2024 WITH THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING DOWN THE LINE WHERE STAFF IS DEFINITELY NEEDED IN TERMS OF WORKLOAD.

SO I WON'T BE IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION.

THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR HENDRICKSEN.

ANYTHING? COUNCILLOR MCGURK.

NO. COUNCILLOR FEQUET.

THANKS, MADAM CHAIR. YEAH, I GUESS I JUST WANTED TO SAY IN GENERAL, I MEAN, I SUPPORT THE PRINCIPLE OF COUNCILLOR PAYNE'S MOTION TO TRY TO CONSIDER BUSINESSES WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE TRYING STRATEGIC THINGS TO HELP THE CITY ACHIEVE ITS GOALS.

I THINK THAT'S GREAT. I'M GLAD YOU GUYS ARE DOING THAT.

AND I THINK, THOUGH IN THIS CASE, I AGREE AND UNDERSTAND THAT THESE THINGS NEED TO BE DONE.

AND FROM THE BUDGET PRESENTATION THAT MR. GREENCORN GAVE EARLIER AND THE REST OF THE STAFF TEAM, THAT THERE'S A LOT OF BIG CAPITAL PROJECTS COMING DOWN THE ROAD.

SO, I SIMILARLY AGREE THAT I WOULDN'T SUPPORT THIS MOTION, BUT I REALLY WOULD ENCOURAGE ADMINISTRATION TO TRY TO LOOK AT OPPORTUNITIES WHEN WE'RE STAGGERING THINGS TO KEEP BUSINESSES AFLOAT WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.

THANKS. THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR PAYNE TO CLOSE.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

YEAH, MY MOTION WASN'T MEANT TO ADD MORE WORK ON TO PUBLIC WORKS.

IT WAS SPECIFICALLY MEANT TO OFFER SOME HELP TO THE BUSINESSES TO BE ABLE TO HAVE MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF HAVING A REALLY GOOD YEAR AND THEN HAVING A SHITTY YEAR, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A, LITTLE BIT OF A BALANCE, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.

YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT MORE PERMANENT RESIDENTS HERE NOW THAT ARE WORKING WITH THE PAVING PROGRAMS WITH THE COMPANIES IN TOWN THAN THERE HAS BEEN IN THE PAST AND WE'VE BEEN OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS TRYING TO BUILD LOCAL CAPACITY WITH THESE PAVING COMPANIES.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S YEAH, THE POINT OF MY MOTION WAS JUST TO TRY TO HELP THESE COMPANIES MAINTAIN SOME LEVEL OF CONSISTENCY AND AND TO BE ABLE TO KEEP A STAFF HERE BECAUSE EVERY, EVERY PERSON THAT LIVES HERE PERMANENTLY, ADDS TO THIS COMMUNITY. AND WE GET FUNDING FROM THE TERRITORIAL GOVERNMENT WHO GETS FUNDING FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

SO IT'S A TRICKLE DOWN THING.

AND I'M STILL I'M GOING TO SUPPORT MY OWN MOTION, BUT WE'LL SEE.

WE'LL SEE WHAT KIND OF SUPPORT I GET.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

I'LL JUST ADD MY $0.02.

OF COURSE, I CAN SEE BOTH SIDES.

I ALSO THINK.

I GUESS ACTUALLY THAT'LL BE A QUESTION BECAUSE IT WAS TALK ABOUT DIVIDING THESE INTO A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT CONTRACTS IF WE GO OUT WITH THIS BIG LUMP SUM, IF WE DROP IT AND JUST DO HORDAL ROAD AND THEN DEH CHO AND KAM LAKE.

WOULD THE IDEA BE TO STILL GO WITH TWO CONTRACTS.

ONE HORDAL, ONE.

I GUESS IT WOULD BE THREE BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE 50TH STREET.

SO JUST WONDERING IF THE IDEA WOULD BE TO DIVIDE UP THE PAVING CONTRACTS OR TO GO WITH ONE PAVING CONTRACT IF WE REMOVE THE WILEY ROAD/FRANKLIN AVE.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

AND IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT PUBLIC WORKS IN PARTICULAR HAS DONE WHEN THEY LOOK AT THE PAVING CONTRACTS, THEY'VE BEEN VERY DELIBERATE IN SPLITTING THEM UP TO SEEK TO SPREAD THE WEALTH AROUND, LET'S SAY.

SO THE SIZE OF THE CONTRACTS THEN ARE WORKABLE AND MANAGEABLE FOR COMPANIES.

I WOULD IMAGINE THEY WOULD DO THE SAME THING, BUT I WOULD BOW TO MR. GREENCORN AND SEE IF HE'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS SPECIFICALLY.

SURE. THANKS. YEAH, I THINK WE'LL STILL BREAK THEM UP INTO TWO.

AS FOR ALL THE REASONS MS. BASSI-KELLETT JUST SAID.

EVEN THOUGH I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT IT IS MORE WORK FOR US INSTEAD OF MANAGING ONE CONTRACT WITH ONE SET OF DOCUMENTS, WITH ONE SET OF LEGAL REQUIREMENTS, WITH ONE SET OF EVERYTHING, NOW WE'RE MANAGING DOUBLE.

SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY DOUBLE WORK FOR STAFF.

BUT IN SAYING THAT, WE'LL DEFINITELY, THIS HAS BEEN OUR PRACTICE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE WHEN WE CAN ACCOMMODATE IT AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

I'D ALSO LIKE JUST TO ADD THAT IN CASE THERE'S ANYONE LISTENING IN THAT CONTRACT OR COMMUNITY, WE DON'T, WE MULLED OVER THIS FOR A LONG TIME.

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WE DO KNOW IT HAS IMPACT.

WE DO, WE DO REALLY APPRECIATE.

I'VE WORKED WITH THESE FOLKS FOR FOR 20 YEARS, SO I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT THEY BRING TO THE TABLE.

IN SAYING THAT WE ALL WE HAVE THE LUXURY OF SEEING KIND OF WHAT'S COMING AND MAYBE YOU HAVE AN EERIE FEELING ABOUT WHAT'S NOT COMING YET. SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE PRUDENT.

AND I THINK PART OF THIS IS DEFINITELY NOT TO BE PUNITIVE ON ANYONE IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT IT'S US MANAGING OUR RESOURCES BOTH INTERNALLY AND FINANCIAL AS BEST WE CAN OF WHAT WE SEE COMING.

SO I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT OUT THERE IN CASE WE SOUNDED LIKE WE'RE.

PUBLIC WORKS IS JUST NOT GIVING WORK TO CONTRACTORS.

WE DO TAKE THIS VERY SERIOUSLY AND WE PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO IT.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, SOMETIMES THESE ARE THE STRATEGIC DECISIONS AS COUNCILLOR FEQUET SAID THAT WE THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT MOVING FORWARD.

SO JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE FOR FOR ANYONE LISTENING.

THANKS. THANK YOU.

YEAH. AND IF YOU LOOK AT OUR TEN YEAR CAPITAL PLAN, PUBLIC WORKS IN 2023 IS FORECASTED TO HAVE $16.6 MILLION, ALMOST $16.7 MILLION.

THE NEXT TWO YEARS, 2024, JUMPS UP TO $27 MILLION, 2025 UP TO CLOSE TO $34 MILLION AND THEN 2026 AND ONWARDS BACK TO THAT KIND OF THE TEENS AGAIN, THE $14 MILLION AND STUFF.

SO IT'S NOT A CASE OF THE WORK'S GOING TO DRY UP NEXT YEAR.

THE OTHER THING THAT I KNOW IN MY TIME ON COUNCIL IS JUST BECAUSE WILEY ROAD AND FRANKLIN AVE.

ARE IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, BY DEFERRING IT TO NEXT YEAR, THERE MAY BE ANOTHER ROAD THAT BECOMES A BIGGER PRIORITY AND THAT GETS BUMPED OFF.

AND WILEY ROAD DOES HAVE A PRETTY GOOD SOAKER SPOT THERE, IF YOU'RE PEDESTRIAN IN THE SPRING.

SO IT'S NOT THAT IT'S NOT A ROAD THAT NEEDS REPAIR.

I ALSO KNOW THAT OLD TOWN WAS REALLY FEELING THE IMPACT AND HAVING TOURISM'S COME BACK, REALLY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THEIR ROADS ARE OPEN AND HAVE NO CONSTRUCTION. OF COURSE, THE TRADE OFF IS FOR 365 DAYS OF THE YEAR THE ROAD IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE IN ROUGH SHAPE.

SO JUST A CAUTION OF DEFERRING THESE TWO PROJECTS DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THEY'D BE ON THE BOOKS FOR 2024.

IT MAY BE THAT ANOTHER ROAD BECOMES A BIGGER PRIORITY AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THESE AREN'T DONE.

SO, YEAH, TOUGH TO.

NEVER EASY DECISIONS.

BUT I ALSO RESPECT THE IDEA OF KIND OF GETTING, THESE BIG WORK DONE, BUT IT'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT CONTRACTS THIS YEAR, BUT CAN ALSO SEE THAT SPREADING IT OUT OVER TWO YEARS AND THAT MIGHT HELP.

I DID SAY IT WAS COUNCILLOR PAYNE TO CLOSE, BUT I SAW THAT COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN HAD HIS HAND UP FOR A FINAL COMMENT.

YES, OR JUST ONE MORE QUESTION.

HAVE WE DONE ANY CONSULTATION WITH THESE COMPANIES OR DO WE TALK TO COMPANIES THAT WILL PROVIDE SERVICES WHEN WE LOOK TO MAKES A SHIFT LIKE THIS IN OUR STRATEGY TO DO WITH CONTRACTING? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

IT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND IT'S DEFINITELY A DELICATE BALANCE AROUND MAKING SURE WE'RE DOING THINGS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY, BUT WHILE ALSO LOOKING AT OUR PARTNERS. SO I'LL ASK MR. GREENCORN TO SEE IF HE'S DONE ANYTHING AROUND THIS.

SPECIFICALLY, NO.

WHAT WE DO IS WE WE TAKE A LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT, AS I MENTIONED, WE SEE INTERNALLY.

WE KNOW WHAT OUR WORK IS COMING AT US AND WE CHART OUR BEST PATH FORWARD.

AND THEN IF COUNCIL HAPPENS TO SET A DIRECTION, FOR EXAMPLE, IF SOME WORK WAS DEFERRED INTO 2024, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD TAKE FORWARD TO THE CONTRACTING COMMUNITY. BUT THIS IS OUR BEST ADVICE BASED ON ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT I SAID WE SEE COMING.

AND IF IT GOES FORWARD AS PRESENTED, THEN WE'LL HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR CONTRACTORS AND LET THEM KNOW THE PLAN MOVING FORWARD.

AND AS MAYOR ALTY SAID, WHO KNOWS, THE THINGS MAY CHANGE, BUT THIS IS OUR TENTATIVE PLAN FOR 2023, MAYBE 2024 AND 25 WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING DIFFERENT. BUT THIS IS WHAT WE SEE MOVING FORWARD.

THANK YOU. TO THE MOTION OF DEFERRING WILEY ROAD AND FRANKLIN AVE TO 2024.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? I'LL THROW IT UP. OPPOSED.

AND THAT'S DEFEATED WITH COUNCILLOR PAYNE, COUNCILLOR HENDRICKSEN, AND MAYOR ALTY IN FAVOR.

SO WE'LL KEEP ALL THAT PAVING IN.

AND WE'VE REACHED OUR, PAST OUR 90 MINUTE MARK.

SO LET'S TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK AND LET'S COME BACK AT 7:25.

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ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS. SEEING NONE.

NEXT, WE HAVE SURFACE REPLACEMENTS AT THE FIELD HOUSE.

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COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN. I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY GREAT TO SEE THIS AND AWESOME THAT WE'LL HAVE A BUNCH OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.

I KNOW THERE'S BEEN AT LEAST A FEW OF MY PERSONAL FRIENDS WHO HAD SOME PRETTY SERIOUS INJURIES ON THIS SURFACE.

I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT TYPE OF BUDGET THIS HAS.

I KNOW THERE ARE SOME FIELDS WITH THAT, LIKE THE RUBBER PELLETS AND THEY'RE LIKE CUSHIONED.

IT'S ALMOST LIKE REAL GRASS.

WHAT SORT OF BUDGET IS THIS FOR? IS THIS FOR LIKE TOP OF THE LINE FIELD, MIDLINE? LIKE, WHAT? IS THERE ANY IDEA THERE? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

THERE'S A LOT OF PLANNING UNDERWAY AROUND THIS AND WE CERTAINLY LOOK TO MAXIMIZE THE USE.

I'LL ASK MR. WHITE IF HE COULD RESPOND TO THIS.

THANK YOU. IN TERMS OF THE PRICE POINT, THE FIELD IS BUDGETED AT $295,000 AND TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE QUALITY LIFE SPAN AND OVERALL USE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT A MID GRADE OR SORRY, MID GRADE FIELD.

IT IS A STILL IS A CARPET AND SORRY CAN EITHER BE A CARPET OR A MULTI USE FLOOR AND BOTH ARE TILE PRODUCTS. SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, WHEN SOMEBODY IS LOOKING AT IT AGAIN TEN YEARS FROM NOW OR 12 YEARS FROM NOW, IT MAY BE ONLY PORTIONS THAT HAVE TO BE REPLACED RATHER THAN THE ENTIRE FLOOR.

RIGHT. AND IS THERE A TIME FRAME FOR THE START OF THAT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. PENDING COUNCIL'S DECISION ON THE BUDGET, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT STARTING THIS IN 2023.

I'LL ASK MR. WHITE IF HE CAN GET ANY MORE SPECIFIC THAN THAT.

THANK YOU, MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

WE WOULD, RIGHT OFF THE BAT, INTO 2023, WE WOULD START THE CONSULTATION SO THAT WE CAN GET ALL THE WORK LINED UP AND HAVE IT DONE IN THE SUMMERTIME TO HAVE LESS DISRUPTION TO OUR USER GROUPS.

THANKS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COUNCILLOR FEQUET. THANKS, MADAM CHAIR.

COULD STAFF SPEAK TO IF UNDERSTANDING, THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING KIND OF THE MID GRADE TARGET FOR THIS FIELD SERVICE REPLACEMENT.

IF THE CONSULTATION UNCOVERS THAT A DIFFERENT FIELD TYPE OTHER THAN CARPET OR RUBBER BARN FLOOR IS PREFERRED BY THE USER GROUPS, WILL DIFFERENT OPTIONS BE CONSIDERED BY STAFF AS LONG AS THEY FIT WITHIN THE GENERAL BUDGET? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

I THINK WE'RE PRETTY FLEXIBLE ON LOOKING AT WHAT WILL MAXIMIZE THE USE OF THE FLOOR, SO I'LL ASK MR. WHITE IF HE COULD EXPAND ON THAT.

YEAH. THANKS, MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

MAXIMIZING USE IS THE KEY POINT.

THERE IS A LOT OF DOWNTIME IN THAT FACILITY ONCE SOCCER IS DONE, WHICH IS TYPICALLY IN MARCH AND DOESN'T REALLY START UP AGAIN UNTIL SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER.

SO THE IDEA IS TO GET A, DISCUSS WITH THE NOT ONLY THE CURRENT USER GROUPS, BUT ANY POTENTIAL USER GROUPS ON A SURFACE THAT WOULD SUIT BOTH, I GUESS, LENGTHEN THE SEASON AND HAVE A MUCH LONGER USE THROUGH THE 12 MONTHS OF THE YEAR RATHER THAN JUST THE SIX MONTHS THAT IT IS BEING USED.

AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT IS CONTEMPLATED BY THE GROUPS THAT IS OVER AND ABOVE THE BUDGET PRICE, BASICALLY WE'LL JUST HAVE TO, THE ANSWER WOULD BE NO, BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE SO MUCH MONEY THAT WE CAN SPEND.

THANKS. THANKS FOR THAT.

DO YOU KNOW IF A FIELD TURF THAT'S A PRODUCT, THAT'S A SPECIFIC PRODUCT, BUT SOME KIND OF SURFACE LIKE FIELD TURF WAS CONSIDERED? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. I WILL DEFER TO MR. WHITE ON THIS, BUT WE TYPICALLY DON'T GO FOR TRADEMARKED SPECIFIC KINDS OF PRODUCT.

BUT I WILL ASK HIM TO CLARIFY IF I'M STEPPED OVER THE LINE HERE.

YEAH. OF COURSE, THIS WILL HAVE TO GO, ONCE WE'VE FINALIZED IF WE'RE GOING WITH A MULTIPURPOSE FLOOR OR INDOOR CARPET, SORRY, FIELD CARPET, THEN IT'LL GO FOR A COMPETITIVE BID.

THANKS FOR THAT. YEAH, MY, THE RATIONALE FOR MY QUESTION WAS JUST I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE, SIMILAR TO WHAT COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN JUST MENTIONED, PLAYING IN THAT FACILITY, A FEW DIFFERENT SPORTS, THERE'S BEEN A PRETTY HIGH NUMBER OF INJURIES, KNEE AND ANKLE ROLLS THAT ARE A LITTLE ABNORMAL, AND I AM AWARE THAT THERE ARE OTHER ALTERNATIVE SURFACES. FIELD TURF IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE, BUT WITH THE RUBBER PELLETS THAT DO REDUCE INJURY, THERE'S A LOT OF RESEARCH BEHIND THAT.

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BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DEFINITELY LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT IS NOT JUST GOING TO MAXIMIZE THEIR USAGE, BUT BE THE SAFEST AND THE BEST QUALITY FOR OUR USER GROUPS.

AND AS LONG AS IT IS GENERALLY AROUND THIS BUDGET, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE OPEN TO THAT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THE SOCCER CARPET IS CERTAINLY NOT THE, I WOULD SAY IT'S MORE ON THE LOW END OF WHAT THE USERS HAVE EXPERIENCED SO FAR.

AND I THINK EVERYONE'S APPRECIATIVE OF THAT FACILITY GETTING PUT THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

SO ANY WAY WE CAN MAKE IT BETTER, SAFER AND USE IT MORE, I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE US TO DO THAT.

THANKS. THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR MCGURK. I HAD A SIMILAR SORT OF QUESTION TO RYAN, BUT I JUST KIND OF FORGET.

BUT, I GUESS YOU DID MENTION THAT IT'S A TILE PRODUCT, SO THOSE ARE MORE LIABLE TO HAVE A CUSHION BACK.

LIKE, DO WE, ARE WE, IS THIS BUDGETED FOR A CUSHION PRODUCT OR IS IT, OR A MORE CUSHIONED PRODUCT OR NOT, I GUESS? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THAT'S QUITE A BIT OF DETAIL.

I'LL SEE IF MR. WHITE WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO THAT.

YEAH. THANK YOU, MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

OUR CURRENT FLOOR DOES HAVE A CUSHION UNDERLAY, AND THEY ALL DO.

AND AS I MENTIONED, IT'S THE PRICE POINT THAT WILL DICTATE WHETHER IT'S A LOWER, MID OR HIGH QUALITY FLOOR.

AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A MID QUALITY, EITHER WHETHER IT'S AN INDOOR FIELD OR A MULTIPURPOSE SURFACE. YEAH.

THAT'S, YEAH. BECAUSE I WOULD, JUST AS A COMMENT I SUPPOSE IF ONE OF THE OBJECTS IS TO ENCOURAGE USE, THAT IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT THAT I HAVE HEARD FROM PEOPLE IS THAT IT'S AN UNCOMFORTABLE FLOOR TO PLAY ON.

YEAH. AND THEN I THINK IF ADMIN CAN TAKE A LOOK NOT ONLY THE LIFECYCLE COSTS BUT MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT CRITERIA, NOT IF IT DOES COME OVER BUDGET TO GET THAT PRODUCT THAT IS GOING TO HAVE THE MORE SAFETY THAT ADMINISTRATION WILL CONSIDER THAT BEFORE GOING AHEAD WITH SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE AS GREAT FOR THE OLD KNEES AND ANKLES OF THE OLDER GENERATION.

COUNCILLOR WARBURTON. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

I GUESS COMMENT AND QUESTION.

FIRST COMMENT IS ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO EXPAND USE TO THAT FACILITY BECAUSE IT IS MASSIVE AND THE MORE USE WE CAN GET ON IT, THE BETTER.

SO YEAH, NOT JUST KIND OF USE AND BUDGET, BUT HOW DO WE MAXIMIZE BOOKINGS AND USE THAT SPACE? YOU HAVE SOME TENNIS COURT PLAYING SERVICE IN HERE AS WELL.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A BREAKDOWN OF HOW MUCH THAT IS SUPPOSED TO COST.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THE POINT OF USAGE IS A REALLY IMPORTANT ONE, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE REALLY, REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN MAXIMIZE AT THE FIELDHOUSE THAT THERE IS OPTIONS FOR MULTIPLE USE. SO I'LL ASK MR. WHITE IF HE COULD RESPOND TO THE PERCENT UTILIZATION.

I HAVE OLD DATA IN MY HEAD THAT SAYS IT'S ONE OF OUR THE LOWEST UTILIZATION RATES OF ALL OUR RECREATION FACILITIES, BUT HE COULD SPEAK TO THAT MORE APPROPRIATELY ALONG WITH THE TENNIS QUESTION. YEAH.

THANKS, MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THE UTILIZATION RATE OF THE FIELDHOUSE IS, I THINK IT'S EITHER 40 OR 44%, WHICH IS LARGELY THE VACANCY FROM MARCH UNTIL SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER.

SO HOW DO WE FILL IT? WE OFTEN, OR SORRY, WE, NOT OFTEN, WE ALWAYS TALK TO OUR PROGRAM STAFF AND OUR SPECIAL EVENT STAFF TO USE IT FOR OUR CITY FACILITIES AND CITY USE, CITY PROGRAMS, DROP IN PROGRAMS. SO WE HAVE DROP IN TENNIS IN THERE.

WE HAVE PLAY SCHOOLS THROUGHOUT THE DAY THAT UTILIZE THE FACILITY.

THERE IS INDOOR BOWLING, [INAUDIBLE] CARPET BOWLING, AND WE ARE CONSTANTLY LOOKING FOR NEW USES AND NEW EVENTS TO BRING PEOPLE TO THE FACILITY. AND REALLY, IN SOME CASES, IT'S INTRODUCING THEM TO WHAT'S THERE AND WHAT'S AVAILABLE FOR USE.

AND THE LAST QUESTION, THE ANTICIPATED PRICE OF THE TENNIS COURTS IS $225,000, AND THAT'S FOR 2025.

THANK YOU. SEEING NOTHING FURTHER, NEXT, WE HAVE TRAFFIC LIGHT UPGRADES.

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I JUST HAD A QUESTION. THE 2023 TALKS ABOUT A PUSH BUTTON CROSSWALK INSTALLATION ON TAYLOR ROAD.

IS THAT KIND OF THE FOUR WAY OR THREE WAY STORY INTERSECTION WITH FORREST DRIVE AND TAYLOR, MS. BASSI-KELLETT? MR. GREENCORN.

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AND THAT'S BEEN DEEMED AS PRETTY HIGH TRAFFIC AREA.

IT BECAME REALLY APPARENT WHEN SYSTEMS WERE RELOCATED TO PORTABLES UP THE HILL, AND THE TRAFFIC THERE REALLY INCREASED DRAMATICALLY.

SO THIS IS, I BELIEVE, IN REACTION TO THAT.

I'LL DOUBLE CHECK AND CONFIRM, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE THAT THAT'S WHAT THAT PUSH BUTTON IS FOR.

COUNCILOR FEQUET. THANKS, MADAM CHAIR.

JUST CAN WE CONFIRM FROM STAFF SO THE 19 INTERSECTIONS UNDERSTANDING YOU GUYS ARE WORKING YOUR WAY THROUGH THEM IN ORDER OF PRIORITY.

JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THE PLAN IS TO GET THE PUSH BUTTON CROSSWALKS AND THE SAFETY AUDIO AT ALL OF THOSE 19 OR WILL THERE BE SOMEWHERE THOSE WILL NOT BE TAKING PLACE? AND, I'M ASKING THIS QUESTION BECAUSE I NOTICED A FEW PEOPLE BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT THE INTERSECTION, FOR EXAMPLE, AT FRANKLIN AND WILLIAM, WHERE THE WILLIAMS ELECTRONIC AND Y.K. CENTRE IS, NOT ALL FOUR CORNERS HAVE THE PUSH BUTTON AND I'M JUST CURIOUS TO UNDERSTAND KIND OF HOW WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE OUR CITY SAFER.

I THINK IT'S THAT AUTOMATICALLY GOES TO WALK AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUSH TO ACTIVATE BUT MS. BASSI-KELLETT. MR. GREENHORN.

THANKS FOR THE QUESTION.

SO TO BRING, I GUESS, NEW COUNCIL UP TO SPEED, WE'VE HAD A LONG STANDING PLAN TO UPGRADE ALL OF OUR TRAFFIC LIGHTS.

WE'RE NEARING THE COMPLETION OF THAT.

SO YOU'LL SEE THAT IN 23 AND 24.

IT FINISHES 50TH STREET AND 49TH AND 48TH STREET.

SO THAT IS WITH OVERHEAD CAMERAS AND DETECTION FOR THOSE THINGS.

THE PUSH BUTTON CROSSWALKS THAT YOU'LL SEE ON TAYLOR ROAD, THOSE ARE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

THOSE ARE THE IN SOME CASES THEY'RE SOLAR PANEL INSTALLATIONS THAT FLASH WHEN THEY'RE ACTUATED.

IN SOME CASES THEY HAVE TO BE HARD WIRED.

SO IT'S, I GUESS I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT DISTINCTION.

TO REFER TO YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT DOWNTOWN, ALL DOWNTOWN CROSSWALKS WE'VE PUT ON AUTOMATIC RECALL JUST BECAUSE WE WANT THEM, NOT TO GET TOO TECHNICAL, BUT WE HAVE A COORDINATION PATTERN IN THE DOWNTOWN CORE.

IT'S VERY COORDINATED.

IT'S COORDINATED BASED ON TIME OF DAY AND THE MOVEMENT OF TRAFFIC FLOWS.

WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT SOME OF THE SIDE STREETS WERE NOT GETTING CUED AND THAT WAS RESULTING IN PEOPLE STANDING AND WAITING AND NEVER GETTING TO WALK.

SO HOW WE SOLVED THAT WAS JUST WHETHER YOU PUSH A BUTTON OR NOT, YOU'RE GETTING A WALK LIGHT.

AND THAT'S THAT'S WORKED OUT FAIRLY WELL AND IT'S DRAMATICALLY REDUCED OUR COMPLAINTS ON THE PUSH BUTTON.

SO THAT'S IN THE DOWNTOWN CORE.

IF YOU GO OUTSIDE OF THE DOWNTOWN CORE, IT STILL REQUIRES THE PUSH BUTTON.

SO YEAH, HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS THAT QUESTION AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO FINISHING UP THESE AND THEN WE'RE, F YOU SEE IN 2025, WE'RE GOING TO EXPAND OUT AND TRY TO GET AT SOME OLD AGING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT NEEDS REPLACEMENT.

MASI.

YEAH. FOR WINTER CITIES, THEY RECOMMEND THAT CROSSWALKS AUTOMATICALLY COME UP.

SO IT ENCOURAGES WALKING, JUST LIKE MR. GREENCORN SAID. AND YOU'RE NOT STANDING IN COLD.

COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. GOES TO THE KIND OF PUSH BUTTON CROSSWALKS, BUT BUNCH OF THINGS IN FUTURE YEARS AS WELL.

WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT DOING THESE PEDESTRIAN CROSSWAYS, DO YOU TIE THAT INTO ROADWORKS AT THE SAME TIME, LIKE BUMP OUTS OR KIND OF CHANGING FLOW PATTERNS OF TRAFFIC? OR IS IT JUST LIGHTING? LIKE, DO YOU THINK ABOUT WHEN YOU DOING ROAD UPGRADES IS THAT A GOOD TIME TO DO CROSSWALK LIGHTING UPGRADES OR ARE THEY EVEN THOUGHT OF TOGETHER? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

MR. GREENCORN. IF WE'RE DOING, IF WE'RE RESURFING.

YOU MEAN UNDER THE PAVING PROGRAM, CORRECT? WELL, LIKE, SO LIKE, I KNOW IT'S IN THE FUTURE, BUT THE PUSH BUTTON CROSSWALK ON TAYLOR.

SORRY. YEAH, BECAUSE, LIKE, FOR PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, THE LIGHTS IS A BIG COMPONENT, BUT ALSO SO IS THE CURB BUMP OUT AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.

SO IS IT ALL TIED TOGETHER OR IS IT KIND OF YOU PUT THE CROSSWALK IN.

AM I SAYING IT RIGHT? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

MR. GREENCORN. SO WHAT WE TRY TO DO WHEN WE'RE CONTEMPLATING A FULL ROAD REBUILD, WE DEFINITELY TAKE THOSE INTO CONSIDERATION.

IF WE'RE ADDRESSING A IMMEDIATE NEED, THERE'S, WE DON'T HAVE THE BUDGET FOR THOSE TYPES OF INFRASTRUCTURE INSTALLATIONS.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, THIS PUSH BUTTON CROSSWALK ON TAYLOR ROAD IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE IN THE VICINITY OF 30 GRAND, WHEREAS FULL BUILD OUT CONCRETE

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SO WE DO THESE ADDRESSED ON IMMEDIATE NEED.

AND THEN IF WE'RE LOOKING AT, IF WE WERE DOING A FULL REBUILD OUT OF TAYLOR ROAD, WE WOULD LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE MEASURES THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED.

SEEING NO FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.

NEXT, WE HAVE THE WATER LICENSE PROJECTS FIDDLER LAKE TREATMENT SYSTEM.

PAGE 154.

NEXT, WE HAVE THE WATER LICENSE PROJECT: THE LANDFILL LEACHATE RETENTION AND TREATMENT.

THAT'S PAGE 162.

NEXT, WE HAVE THE WATER LICENSE PROJECT: SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT.

PAGE 166.

AND THAT COMES TO THE END OF CAPITAL PROJECTS.

SO WE GET TO BEGIN ON O & M.

SO IF WE JUMP ON UP TO THE START.

WE ARE FIRST UP, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

WOOHOO! PAGE 25.

ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.

THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. SO LOOKING AT THE ADJUSTMENTS MADE BY COUNCIL LAST YEAR.

THEY REDUCED MAYOR AND COUNCIL GENERAL SERVICES BUDGET TO $63,000.

THIS YEAR IT'S BACK UP TO $114,000.

SO I JUST WANTED TO ASK ADMINISTRATION OR MADAM MAYOR, IF THERE ARE ANY NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES OF THIS REDUCTION AND WHAT ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF PUBLIC RELATIONS AND GOVERNANCE STRATEGY WORK THAT THIS MONEY IS ALLOCATED FOR? YOU'RE LOOKING AT EXPENDITURES BY ACTIVITY? NO, BY OBJECT.

SO EXPENDITURES GENERAL SERVICES.

LAST YEAR, $63,000 THIS YEAR.

NOW WE'RE UP TO 114.

YEAH. YEAH. BACK TO OUR PRE-COVID LEVELS, MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ABSOLUTELY. SO IT WAS A VERY DELIBERATE DECISION IN PREPARING BUDGET 2022 THAT NOBODY WAS TRAVELING.

WE DID NOT KNOW WHEN COVID WOULD END.

SO WE CERTAINLY HAD REDUCED TRAVEL BUDGETS FOR THE 2021 AND 2022 BUDGETS.

WHEN IT COMES TO THINGS LIKE PUBLIC RELATIONS AND GOVERNMENT STRATEGY, THE KIND OF WORK THAT'S BILLED UNDER GENERAL SERVICES IS THINGS FOR EVENTS LIKE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, CITIZENSHIP AWARDS, NWTA SPONSORSHIP FOR THE AGM, WHICH TOOK PLACE IN YELLOWKNIFE.

SO THE HOST COMMUNITY IS ALWAYS ASKED TO SPONSOR.

THOSE ARE TYPICALLY THE KINDS OF EXPENSES THAT COME UNDER PUBLIC RELATIONS.

THANK YOU. AND TO ADD FOR 2023 WOULD BE THE CONTRACT WORK FOR OUR STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH WE DIDN'T HAVE IN 2022.

THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? COUNCILLOR MCGURK. YEAH, I GUESS THIS MIGHT BE, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FRAME THIS QUESTION, BUT GIVEN THAT THIS IS SORT OF LIKE THE CHARGE, SO THESE ARE EXPENSES THAT WE'RE ACCRUING ON BEHALF OF COUNCIL AND LIKE SORT OF THAT AFFECT THE CITY'S BUDGET. I GUESS THIS MIGHT BE ONE AREA WHERE I FEEL LIKE WE AS COUNCILLORS HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MAYBE ARE MORE DUTY BOUND TO KIND OF BE SCRUTINIZING.

I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S EVER BEEN A SORT OF LIKE DESIRE FOR COUNCIL TO REVIEW THIS WITH MORE SCRUTINY, OR IF IT'S LIKE, I DON'T KNOW THIS, I CAN'T ASK THIS QUESTION? YEAH. SO ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THAT.

SO THE BULK, THE BIGGEST ITEM IS THE GRANTS, WHICH IS THE SENIOR CITIZENS AND DISABLED, TAX REBATES AND THEN OVER $450,000 IN IN GRANTS.

SO IF COUNCIL DID WANT TO REDUCE OUR GRANTS TO THE COMMUNITY.

OUTSIDE OF THAT, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO LOBBY AND ADVOCATE FOR WAS A REDUCTION IN OUR NWTAC FEES.

AND SO THROUGH THE NWTAC, WE ALSO GET OUR INSURANCE BECAUSE COUNCIL WAS CONSIDERING LIKE, IS THERE A BENEFIT OF GETTING, BEING INVOLVED WITH NWTAC?

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SO IT IS A PRETTY TIGHT.

AND THEN OF COURSE THERE'S OUR WAGES.

SO IT'S A PRETTY TIGHT BUDGET BY ALL MEANS, IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT FOLKS WANT TO CUT.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S STUFF THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT BEFORE IS CUTTING MEALS.

AND SO EVERYBODY JUST HAS TO BRING THEIR OWN LUNCH AND NO MEALS AT BUDGET TIME.

SO SOME STUFF FOR FOLKS TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT. ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.

NOW, YOU KIND OF NAILED IT THERE.

SO THE GENERAL SERVICES INCLUDES PUBLIC RELATIONS AND GOVERNMENT STRATEGY, AND THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS I'D IDENTIFIED BEFORE.

WE LOOK AT MATERIALS.

THAT INCLUDES TRAVEL.

IF COUNSELORS EVER TRAVELED, IT INCLUDES MEETING COSTS, IT INCLUDES MEMBERSHIPS AND SUBSCRIPTIONS.

SO OUR MEMBERSHIPS AT FCM, NWTAC.

THERE'S SOME LIMITED SUBSCRIPTIONS THAT COUNCIL HAS AS WELL.

YEP, THERE'S SOME OF THE EXPENSES THAT COME WITH CATERING AND THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF LEGAL FEES AS WELL.

THOSE, OF COURSE, COVER OFF THE COST OF THE INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER.

SO THAT PRETTY MUCH SUMS UP THE AMOUNT OF FUNDS THAT ARE SPENT UNDER THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL BUDGET LINE.

THANK YOU. SEEING NOTHING FURTHER.

FIRST DIVISION DONE.

WOOHOO! NEXT ON PAGE 31, JUST TO NOTE THAT IN THE BOX UP IN THE TOP, THE HR OFFICER RECRUITMENT AND BENEFITS I THINK IS SUPPOSED TO BE TIMES TWO, WHICH WE'LL NOTE THAT FOR THE UPDATED.

BUT ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE STAFFING SUMMARY? COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.

YEAH. I'D LIKE TO PUT FORWARD A MOTION TO GO IN CAMERA TO DISCUSS A MATTER AND JUSTIFICATION FOR IN CAMERA JUST HAS TO DO WITH ONGOING CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS.

IF I CAN GET A SECONDER.

SECOND BY COUNCILLOR FEQUET.

ANYBODY OPPOSED? WE CAN GO IN CAMERA.

CALL SYSTEM. WELL, KEEP USING THE WEBCAST THEN.

[LAUGHTER] SO WE'RE MOVING OUT OF IN CAMERA.

THERE WAS NO BUSINESS ARISING FROM IN CAMERA.

SO WE'LL MOVE TO PAGE 33, WHICH IS THE CITY MANAGER BUDGET.

ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE? COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.

THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. JUST A QUESTION ABOUT THE $200,000 FOR RECONCILIATION WORK.

AWESOME TO SEE IT'S IN THERE.

JUST LOOKING FOR AN EXAMPLE OR TWO OF WHAT THIS IS.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. REALLY APPRECIATE THE QUESTION.

THIS HAS BEEN A REALLY IMPORTANT PRIORITY FOR THE CITY AND IT'S A VALUE THAT WE SEEK TO INFUSE ACROSS ALL DEPARTMENTS IN THE WORK THAT WE DO. SO WHEN WE HAVE MONEY THAT SITS IN THE CITY MANAGER'S BUDGET, IT IS UTILIZED AND APPLIED ACROSS MANY DIFFERENT PARTS OF WHAT THE CITY DOES.

SOME EXAMPLES OF THINGS THAT TOOK PLACE IN 2022 INCLUDED UPDATING OUR DRAFT ACTION PLAN, BRINGING THAT BEFORE COUNCIL AFTER WE HAD GOTTEN FEEDBACK FROM YKDFN, [INAUDIBLE] AND NSMA.

WE HOSTED A RECONCILIATION GATHERING IN AUGUST OF 2022, THE INTENT OF WHICH WAS TO REALLY SEEK THOSE OPPORTUNITIES TO TALK ABOUT, TO BE OPEN ABOUT IT, TO HAVE DISCUSSION AND DIALOGUE, TO SEEK IDEAS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, FROM THINGS THAT WE COULD DO AS A COMMUNITY, AS A CITY GOVERNMENT OVERALL.

ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT WE DID THIS YEAR WAS WE SOUGHT TO REINVIGORATE AFTER TWO YEARS OF COVID AND NOT DOING ANYTHING ON THIS WITH OUR OWN STAFF WAS WE PUT OUT A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL SEEKING A CONTRACTOR, A CONSULTANT THAT COULD DELIVER FOR US INDIGENOUS CULTURAL UNDERSTANDING AND AWARENESS TRAINING.

WE AWARDED THAT CONTRACT LATER IN THE YEAR THAT WE HAD HOPED OUR INTENTIONS HAD BEEN THAT WE WOULD HAVE A CONSULTANT THAT WOULD COME TO US.

THEY WOULD DEVELOP CURRICULUM.

WE HAD VERY SPECIFIC THINGS WE LAID OUT FOR THE CURRICULUM FOR OUR STAFF TO LEARN ABOUT.

THEY WOULD DEVELOP THAT AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE A COURSE DELIVERY IN 2022, 23 AND 24.

SO UNFORTUNATELY, WE JUST ARE NOT AT THE POINT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DELIVERY IN 2022.

SO THE INCREASE FOR 2023 REFLECTS THAT WE WILL BE PAYING MORE FOR TWO DIFFERENT SESSIONS AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE YEAR FOR OUR STAFF TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF.

OTHER THINGS THAT WE WERE INVOLVED IN WAS REALLY SOME SOME COLLABORATION WITH YKDFN ON OUR JOINT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY.

WE HAD A JOINT FIRE SMARTING PROJECT WITH YKDFN.

WE HAVE BEEN DOING A LOT OF WORK AROUND WILIIDEH LANGUAGE, INCLUDING OF COURSE, STARTING WITH OUR STOP SIGNS THAT ARE ALL AROUND THE COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO DOING SOME STUFF TO

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AS WE LOOK INTO 2023 MOVING AHEAD, WE WILL PLAN FOR ANOTHER RECONCILIATION GATHERING.

AGAIN, HOPEFULLY AT SOME POINT OVER THE SUMMER WE WILL BE UPDATING THE RECONCILIATION ACTION PLAN TO REFLECT MORE ACTIVITIES THAT WE'RE DOING.

AND THIS YEAR WE'RE REALLY, REALLY LOOKING AT WAYS THAT WE CAN INDIGENOUS SPACE AROUND THE COMMUNITY WITHIN CITY HALL FACILITIES, IN THE COMMUNITY ITSELF.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WE INCLUDE THINGS LIKE THE THE ARBOR.

I MEAN EVERY COMMUNITY IN THE NWT HAS AN ARBOR.

IT WOULD MAKE GREAT SENSE FOR THE CITY TO HAVE AN ARBOR FOR OUTDOOR GATHERINGS, MEETINGS, FOR OTHER THINGS.

WE WANT TO DO THIS IN COLLABORATION, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH DET'ON CHO, THE ECONOMIC ARM OF THE YKDFN.

WE WANT TO CONTINUE OUR WORK WITH YKDFN AROUND RENAMING LAKES AND LANDMARKS WITHIN YELLOWKNIFE.

WE CERTAINLY WANT TO INCREASE OUR INTERCULTURAL AND PLACEMAKING PLAN, SIGNAGE, ARTWORK AND MURALS AND MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT JUST MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WE'RE INDIGENIZING SPACE THROUGH ART, THROUGH THE WAY THAT WE ENGAGE WITH SPACE AND MAKING IT KNOWN THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE RESPECT AND HONOR THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY. SO MANY THINGS PLANNED.

I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T MENTION THE YELLOWKNIFE PUBLIC LIBRARY.

THEY HAVE BEEN ABSOLUTE SUPERSTARS IN TERMS OF HAVING SPEAK DENE CAFE.

THEY HAVE DENE ELDERS THAT THEY HAVE BROUGHT IN FOR STORYTELLING FOR DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES.

WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THE WORK THAT THE YELLOWKNIFE PUBLIC LIBRARY HAS DONE.

THEY'RE VERY, VERY MUCH AT THE FOREFRONT OF INDIGENIZING A CITY FACILITY SPACE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANKS FOR THE ANSWER. ALL GREAT TO HEAR AND LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT RECONCILIATION GATHERING NEXT YEAR.

THANK YOU.

[SILENCE] OKAY.

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COUNCILLOR FEQUET. THANKS, MADAM CHAIR.

JUST A QUESTION TO ADMINISTRATION ABOUT OUR RECONCILIATION STRATEGY.

JUST WONDERING IF.

I CAN DO THE WEBCAST NOW.

PERFECT. THANKS, GARRETT.

THANKS, GARRETT. IF THE CITY IS INCORPORATING OR CONSIDERING A LOT OF THE RESOURCES AND WORK THAT THE GNWT HAS DONE IN THIS SPACE I'M THINKING OF PARTICULARLY THEY'RE LIVING WELL TOGETHER.

EIGHT MODULES THAT YOU CAN DO ON YOUR OWN TIME AT YOUR OWN PACE.

ALSO, THE LANGUAGE REVITALIZATIONSHIP, MENTORSHIP PROGRAMS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

SO JUST WONDERING IF THOSE THINGS ARE BEING CONSIDERED, BECAUSE I RECOGNIZE NOT ONLY ARE MOST OF THEM FREE, BUT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT AND CONSULTATION ON A LOT OF THOSE THINGS THAT SEEM TO BE PRETTY EFFECTIVE.

SO, THANKS.

FOR SURE. I THINK WE'VE BEEN ENCOURAGING EMPLOYEES TO DO IT SINCE THEY LAUNCHED, INCLUDING COUNCILLORS.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE LINK, I'M HAPPY TO SEND IT AROUND.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD OBSERVATION.

THAT'S A BUNCH OF GREAT WORK THAT THE GNWT HAS DONE.

WE KNOW THAT THAT'S AVAILABLE.

THEY'RE LONG MODULES.

AND SO WHAT WE WOULD DO, THESE ARE CERTAINLY AN OPTION THAT EXISTS FOR STAFF.

WE KNOW THAT AT THE SAME TIME, MANY OF OUR STAFF ARE NOT SITTING IN FRONT OF COMPUTER SCREENS ON A REGULAR BASIS.

THEY DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTAKE IN SOME OF THAT TRAINING BECAUSE THEY'RE OUT IN THE FIELD OR DOING FRONTLINE SERVICE DELIVERY.

SO THAT IS AN OPTION THAT'S THERE.

THE KIND OF TRAINING THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AND THAT WE SPECIFICALLY PUT THE RFP OUT ON IS SOMETHING THAT WE THINK WILL BE GREAT FOR ALL OF OUR STAFF AND THOSE WHO CAN AVAIL THEMSELVES OF OTHER TRAINING WE'RE REALLY SUPPORTIVE OF AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO DO SO.

BUT THE TRAINING THAT WE WANT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL SPEAK TO WHAT IT MEANS TO BE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CITY IN A COMMUNITY WHERE 25% OF OUR POPULATION IS INDIGENOUS, THE PEOPLE THAT WE SERVE, WE NEED TO BE VERY AWARE, RESPONSIVE TO SUPPORTIVE AND RESPECTFUL OF THE TERMS THAT THEY BRING.

SO WE WANT TO HAVE TRAINING THAT FOCUSES ON THAT, BUILDS UNDERSTANDING FROM WHERE PEOPLE ARE AT AND HAS AN EXPERIENTIAL COMPONENT AS WELL, SO THAT PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO HAVE SOMETHING TANGIBLE THAT IS PART OF IT.

BUT GNWT LEARNING, OF COURSE, WE REALLY RESPECT WHERE THEY'VE COME FROM ON THIS.

THEY PUT SOME GREAT WORK TOGETHER.

WE DO ALSO DO SOME OF THE WORK AROUND THE WILIIDEH LANGUAGE.

WE'VE PARTNERED WITH YK1.

WE'RE AMPLIFYING THE WORK THAT YK1 HAS DONE AROUND LEARNING WILIIDEH WORDS.

WE'RE PUTTING THEM ALL THROUGHOUT OUR FACILITIES, THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA.

WE'RE TAKING THAT WORK AND WE'RE BUILDING UPON WHAT YK1 HAS DONE SO THAT WE CAN REALLY MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IN YELLOWKNIFE, NOT JUST STUDENTS IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, ARE AWARE OF SOME OF THE THE LANGUAGE AND THE BASIC THINGS TO LEARN AND UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE WILIIDEH DIALECT WITHIN YELLOWKNIFE.

THANK YOU. ANYTHING FURTHER.

DEPUTY MAYOR ARDEN-SMITH.

THANK YOU. JUST LOOKING BACK TO OUR CONSULTATION THAT WE HAD, I BELIEVE IT WAS THIS FALL IN DISCUSSIONS WITH RECONCILIATION AND MOVING FORWARD, WHAT WERE SOME OF THE TAKEAWAYS FOR ADMINISTRATION THAT WILL BE IMPLEMENTED THIS YEAR? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

SO WE HAVE JUST HAD COMPLETED AND DELIVERED TO US FROM ONE OF OUR CONSULTANTS THAT WAS FACILITATING THE SESSIONS.

WHAT WE HEARD DOCUMENT, WE'RE TAKING A LOOK AT THAT INTERNALLY.

TRUE CONFESSION WE RECEIVED IT LATE LAST WEEK AND I HAVEN'T OPENED IT YET, BUT WE WILL BE OPENING IT TO FINALIZE WITH HER THE WORK THAT SHE IDENTIFIED SO THAT WE CAN INCLUDE THOSE FACETS THAT WERE RAISED BY PEOPLE WHO CAME TO THE GATHERING IN AUGUST AND WE CAN INCLUDE THEM IN OUR RECONCILIATION ACTION PLAN FOR 2023, WHICH WILL COME TO COUNCIL FOR YOUR REVIEW AND UNDERSTANDING.

THANK YOU. PERFECT.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT DOCUMENT.

THANK YOU. ANYTHING FURTHER? SEEING NONE THE NEXT ONE IS OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILLOR HENDRICKSEN.

SORRY. CAN I GO BACK? I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING.

ANYTHING FURTHER ON RECONCILIATION.

SO IF WE GO BACK TO PAGE 35, THERE IS.

33. OH, SORRY.

33. OH, THEN I'M PROBABLY AHEAD ON TARGET NOW.

34 IS OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK.

I'M PROBABLY RIGHT ON TARGET NOW.

YEAH. AND THEN YOU WANT TO BE ON 35? YEAH. OKAY. BRING ME BACK WHEN YOU'RE READY.

OFFICE. [LAUGHTER] THANK YOU.

OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK, PAGE 34.

SEEING NOTHING.

HUMAN RESOURCES.

SORRY. COUNCILLOR PAYNE, PAGE 34.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.

SO WE HAVE $27,000 FOR THE ELECTION ADMINISTRATION.

BUT THEN WE HAVE, AS A PART OF THAT $145,000 IN GENERAL SERVICES.

THERE'S THE 2022 ELECTION IN THAT AS WELL.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS? YEAH. SO THE NOTICE, NOTING THAT THAT $300,000 WOULD REFLECT THE 2022 ELECTION, THAT'S WHY YOU GOT A HIGHER NUMBER IN 2022 VERSUS 2023. BUT MS.

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ABSOLUTELY. SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE EXPENDITURES BY ACTIVITY, THESE ARE THE PERCENTAGES THAT THE OFFICE OF THE CITY.

OR BY OBJECT.

YEAH. WELL, I'M JUST GOING TO SPEAK TO THE ACTIVITY FIRST.

SO COUNCILLOR PAYNE IDENTIFIED ELECTION ADMINISTRATION INCLUDED $30,000 IN THERE.

THAT'S TYPICALLY 3% OF THE WORK OF THE OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK IS DEDICATED TO ELECTION ADMINISTRATION AND THAT IS ONGOING WORK AS WELL AS.

SO IT'S AVERAGED OUT OVER THE PERIOD OF TIME.

WE KNOW THAT THERE'S SPIKES IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY DO, IN TERMS OF ACTIVITY EVERY FOUR YEARS.

IN THE CATEGORY OF GENERAL SERVICES.

2022 INCLUDED FUNDS TO ADMINISTER THE BUDGET.

IT INCLUDED $161,000, AND THAT WAS JUST PURELY TO OPERATE THE MUNICIPAL ELECTION FOR 2022.

I HAVE NOT SEEN THE FULL REPORTING OF THE, I THINK WE'RE STILL AWAITING SOME EXPENSES THAT ARE COMING IN AROUND THE OVERALL COST, BUT WE ARE SLIGHTLY UNDER BUDGET FROM THE AMOUNT. WE DIDN'T SPEND THAT FULL AMOUNT.

THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU.

ANYTHING FURTHER ON PAGE 34, OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK.

SEEING NONE.

NEXT, WE HAVE HUMAN RESOURCES.

PAGE 35. COUNCILLOR HENDRICKSEN.

WELL, NOW THAT I JUMPED THE GUN.

SO, CAN ADMINISTRATION SPEAK TO THE ISSUES IDENTIFIED AROUND THE $230,000, NECESSITATING THE REVIEW OF THE JOB EVALUATION CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM? IS THERE NOT SORT OF OTHER STANDARDS WE CAN PIGGYBACK ON WHETHER FROM THE GNWT OR OTHER SIMILAR SIZED COMMUNITIES IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY RATHER THAN SPENDING $230,000 ON, TO ME IS A REVIEW, WHICH ALWAYS MAKES ME GO REVIEW WHAT'S COMING AFTER THAT.

SO IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO THAT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

THANKS. MS. BASSI-KELLETT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION ON THIS.

THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT ONE FOR US.

SO THE CITY ADMINISTRATION IS PROPOSING $230,000 IN BUDGET 2023, AND THAT'S AN ESTIMATE FOR THE NATURE OF THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

THIS IS A FOUNDATIONAL PIECE FOR US BECAUSE OUR CURRENT CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM WAS DEVELOPED BY COOPERS-LYBRAND BACK IN THE NINETIES.

IT'S BEEN IN PLACE SINCE THEN AND IT WAS DURING A TIME WHEN, I KNOW THIS IS HARD TO IMAGINE AND MY GOD, I'M OLD BECAUSE I REMEMBER THIS VIVIDLY.

BUT THIS WAS A TIME IN WHICH THE PRINCIPLE OF EQUAL WORK, EQUAL PAY FOR WORK OF EQUAL VALUE WAS BROUGHT IN.

SO TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER EVALUATION SYSTEM WAS DONE ON A JOB DESCRIPTION AND DEVELOPING THE RATE OF PAY FOR AN ADMIN ASSISTANT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE LESS THAN WHAT HEAVY EQUIPMENT OPERATED.

THAT THERE WOULD BE A VERY CONSISTENT WAY TO SEEK TO MEASURE WHAT THE IMPORTANCE OF THOSE JOBS WERE, WHAT THE DUTIES RESPONSIBILITIES WERE.

THE CITY'S CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM.

SO WE HAVE ONE THAT'S FOR OUR UNIONIZED STAFF AND WE HAVE ONE THAT'S FOR MANAGEMENT AND EXCLUDED EMPLOYEES.

AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT FACTORS THAT GO INTO A CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM.

AND SO BASICALLY THE UNIONIZED POSITIONS ARE CLASSIFIED AND EVALUATED BASED ON KNOWLEDGE AND SKILLS, DECISION MAKING EFFORT AND WORKING CONDITIONS.

SO THE JOB DESCRIPTIONS ARE WRITTEN.

THOSE JOBS ARE EVALUATED BASED ON THOSE CATEGORIES.

AND THERE IS A RANGE THEN OF POINTS AND THAT THOSE JOBS SHOULD FALL FROM LEVEL ONE TO LEVEL EIGHT.

FOR OUR UNIONIZED POSITIONS, SINCE THE 1990S, BASICALLY RESPONSIBILITIES HAVE CHANGED.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY JOBS ANYMORE THAT ARE IN LEVEL ONE OR LEVEL TWO, AND WE FIND THAT BELL CURVE HAS SHIFTED WITH ADDITIONAL RESPONSIBILITIES BEING ADDED ON.

IT'S OUTDATED AND IT IS NOT REFLECTING APPROPRIATELY WHAT THE NATURE OF THE WORK IS.

SO THE BENCHMARKING IS OUT OF DATE AND THE POSITIONS NO LONGER FALL WITHIN THAT FULL SPECTRUM OF 1-8.

FUNCTIONS HAVE BEEN ADDED TO JOB DESCRIPTIONS WHICH INCREASE THE NUMERICAL RATING, AND THAT SKEWS THE RATINGS OVERALL COMPARED TO OTHER POSITIONS.

WE HAVE CHALLENGES RIGHT NOW, PARTICULARLY IN SOME OF OUR PROFESSIONAL POSITIONS.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, WE MAY HIRE A PLANNER OR AN ENGINEER.

WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT OPPORTUNITIES FOR SUCCESSION PLANNING AND ADVANCEMENT TO HAVE A JUNIOR PLANNER, SOMEBODY FRESH OUT OF SCHOOL THAT COULD TAKE ON THAT ROLE, THEN EVOLVE INTO A PLANNER, POSSIBLY THEN BECOME A SENIOR PLANNER.

SAME THING FOR OUR ENGINEERS.

SO PEOPLE WILL COME INTO A POSITION, THEY'LL BE THERE, THERE'S NO ROOM FOR GROWTH AND THEY MOVE ON TO OTHER EMPLOYERS.

WE SEE AS WELL AS THE RANGE IS LIMITED AND IT CAPS OUR ABILITIES WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO DRAFT NEW JOB FUNCTIONS.

AND SO OUT OF THIS, WHAT WE SEE THE POSITION THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE IS WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT OUR EVALUATION SYSTEM LOOKS LIKE TO CLASSIFY OUR POSITIONS.

OUR JOB DESCRIPTIONS NEED TO BE REWRITTEN, AND THAT'S ALL.

AND THAT'S OVER 100 DIFFERENT KINDS OF JOB DESCRIPTIONS, NOT INCLUDING THE MANAGEMENT EXCLUDED.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT GOES INTO THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE AN EVALUATION SYSTEM THAT RATES OUR JOBS APPROPRIATELY, THAT IS MODERN, THAT ENABLES US WITH SOME OF THE TOOLS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PUTTING POSITIONS WITH THE RIGHT RESPONSIBILITIES, THE RIGHT ACCOUNTABILITIES.

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THERE ARE SOME CASES WHERE THERE IS REALLY NO INCENTIVE FOR ANYONE TO EVOLVE FROM A UNIONIZED POSITION INTO A MANAGEMENT POSITION.

SO WE NEED TO TAKE THE ENTIRE FRAME AND WRITE IT.

IT'S BEEN 30 YEARS LONG OVERDUE.

THERE ARE SYSTEMS OUT THERE.

THERE ARE PLANS LIKE THE HAY PLAN THAT GNWT, FOR EXAMPLE, FOLLOWS.

IT'S A PRETTY COMPLICATED CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM.

IT MIGHT BE RIGHT FOR US.

IT MAY NOT BE.

IT MIGHT BE THE KIND OF THING THAT WE COULDN'T ADMINISTER OURSELVES BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE ECONOMIES OF SCALE THAT THEY DO.

CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK INTO.

BUT WE KNOW THAT OUR CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM RIGHT NOW IS OUTDATED, IT IS ARCHAIC, AND IT'S QUITE FRANKLY, PREVENTING US FROM BEING ABLE TO ATTRACT AND RETAIN A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE KEY POSITIONS THAT WE NEED.

SO IN TERMS OF REDOING OUR CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM, WE'LL NEED TO CONFIRM WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE CLASSIFICATION OR TWO, ONE FOR MANAGEMENT AND EXCLUDED, ONE FOR UNIONIZED. WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO REVIEW AND UPDATE JOB DESCRIPTIONS.

WE HAVE TO REEVALUATE THE POSITIONS.

WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SYSTEM IS OWNED BY MANAGEMENT.

WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF IT OR THAT WE HAVE SOMEONE THAT UNDERSTANDS IT.

BECAUSE AS NEW JOBS COME ON, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO APPLY THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP THAT CONSISTENCY.

AND ULTIMATELY WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ENGAGE WITH THE UNION.

WE DON'T CONSULT WITH THEM ON THAT BECAUSE WE DO OWN THE CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM, BUT WE WILL WANT TO ENGAGE WITH THEM AND WANT THEM TO KNOW.

THE ONE THING THAT WE WILL NEED TO DO IS NEGOTIATE THE PAY GRADE FOR UNIONIZED STAFF WITH THE PSAC.

THAT WILL COME AT THE END OF THE PROCESS, WHICH WILL BE A YEAR AWAY.

I'M THINKING IF THIS IS APPROVED TO GO AHEAD.

SO OUR SYSTEM RIGHT NOW IS NOT WORKING.

IT'S HOLDING US BACK AND WE DEFINITELY NEED TO MODERNIZE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE ANSWER.

I MEAN, IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

ABSOLUTELY. I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S ALMOST GETTING AHEAD OF ITSELF IN TERMS OF HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES OF OUR SIZE TO SEE IF THERE'S A FIT FOR PURPOSE SOLUTION ALREADY AVAILABLE TO THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE, THE COMMUNITY OF 20,000 PEOPLE.

MAYBE IT'S, THERE'S GREAT EXAMPLES FROM B.C., ALBERTA, SASKATCHEWAN.

AND DO WE NEED TO SPEND $230,000 TO FIND OUT THAT THE SOLUTION WAS ALREADY AVAILABLE? AND WE JUST NEED TO GO AND IDENTIFY IT OURSELVES? AND MAYBE THAT'S FOOLISH OF ME, BUT IT JUST, THAT SEEMS LIKE A STEEP AMOUNT OF MONEY TO DO FOR A CONSULTANT REVIEW OF A SYSTEM WE KNOW IS BROKEN.

AND SO IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S NOT A REVIEW SO MUCH THAT WAS REQUIRED, BUT THE SOLUTION SIDE OF THINGS.

THAT'S MORE OF A STATEMENT. I KNOW THAT'S NOT A QUESTION, SO I'M NOT LOOKING FOR AN ANSWER.

I GUESS IT'S MORE TO MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES.

I GUESS IF ANY OF YOU HAVE THOUGHTS ON IT, IT WOULD BE GREAT.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT, THOUGH, IS IT NOT DOING AN ANALYSIS AND THEN PROVIDING THE SOLUTION AS WELL? THAT WOULD BE THE WHOLE CONTRACT.

THANKS VERY MUCH. THAT WOULD BE PART OF IT.

SO WE WOULD NEED TO PUT AN RFP TOGETHER THAT SAYS THE CITY NEEDS TO HAVE A SYSTEM THAT ENABLES US TO BE FAIR AND EQUITABLE IN TERMS OF HOW WE EVALUATE POSITIONS.

SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE'LL NEED TO PUT TOGETHER AS WE PREPARE THIS.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF, THERE'S A COUPLE OF BIG PROVIDERS OUT THERE THAT I FRANKLY HAVE TO DECIDE AND DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE PROVIDING TO A LOT OF OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.

I KNOW OF HAY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I'M QUITE FAMILIAR WITH HAY.

BUT THERE'S OTHERS OUT THERE THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE RIGHT FIT.

AND SO IT IS LOOKING AT HOW WE WANT TO STRUCTURE WHAT OUR JOB CLASSIFICATIONS LOOK LIKE AND THEN HAVING THOSE JOB DESCRIPTIONS WRITTEN THAT REFLECT WHAT THE VALUES ARE, THE ACCOUNTABILITIES, THE RESPONSIBILITIES AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO WEIGH OUT THE MERIT OF EACH JOB.

THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG PART OF THE WORK THAT'S INVOLVED ONCE WE CHOOSE THE OVERALL FRAMEWORK FOR THAT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR FEQUET. JUST SO I'M 100% CLEAR.

I THINK I GET WHAT COUNCILLOR HENDRICKSEN WAS SAYING.

I HAD THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT IT SAYS, REVIEW THE JOB EVALUATION CLASSIFICATION FRAMEWORK.

I RECOGNIZE, IT'S OLD, IT NEEDS WORK.

AND THIS IS A FOUNDATIONAL ELEMENT OF AN EFFECTIVE ORGANIZATION.

I'VE GONE THROUGH THIS EXERCISE RECENTLY WITH AN UN-UNIONIZED ORGANIZATION OF 50 STAFF AND WE DEVELOPED OUR OWN PAY GRADE AND CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM.

SO, I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM IF THE DEVELOPMENT OF A CUSTOM SOLUTION FOR THE CITY OR IS ACTUALLY PART OF IT.

I RECOGNIZE THE WRITING OF THE JOB DESCRIPTIONS IN THE MERIT BASED STUFF IS, BUT THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE DEVELOPMENT OF NECESSARILY A WHOLE CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM, JUST A

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IS THAT CORRECT? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I'M SORRY IF I WASN'T CLEAR.

NO, WE'LL NEED TO LOOK AT THE SYSTEM THAT WAS DESIGNED BY COOPERS-LYBRAND FOR US IN THE EARLY NINETIES IS OUT OF DATE, SO WE WILL NEED A SYSTEM.

AND WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A BESPOKE SYSTEM FOR THE CITY ITSELF, WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN SEE IF THERE IS A JOB EVALUATION/JOB CLASSIFICATION PROVIDER OUT THERE THAT HAS A SERVICE THAT WOULD MEET OUR NEEDS.

WE NEED TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION AND SEE WHAT'S GOING TO FIT BEST.

I THINK AS COUNCIL MEMBERS UNDERSTAND, WE ARE A FAIRLY COMPLEX ORGANIZATION.

THREE DIFFERENT COLLECTIVE AGREEMENTS, PLUS TERMS OF EMPLOYMENT FOR MANAGEMENT AND EXCLUDED STAFF.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET SOME EXPERTISE THAT UNDERSTANDS THE NUANCES OF THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF AGREEMENTS THAT WE HAVE, THE NATURE OF WORK THAT WE HAVE ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION.

LOOKING AT WHAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES DO IS CERTAINLY GOING TO BE A PART OF THIS, BECAUSE OTHER, THE DIVERSE WORKFORCE THAT'S TYPICAL IN THE MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR HERE. WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE PURELY OFFICE WORKERS.

WE HAVE SO MANY FRONT LINE STAFF DOING DIFFERENT THINGS THAT EVALUATING WHAT GOES INTO BEING ABLE TO DO THAT WORK AND DO IT EFFECTIVELY WILL BE A REALLY IMPORTANT PART OF THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR MCGURK. I GUESS I'M JUST WONDERING IF THIS REVIEW IS SORT OF EXCLUSIVELY ON THE HUMAN RESOURCES SORT OF EQUITABLE PAY QUESTION OR IF IT ALSO TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE AS A MUNICIPALITY AND A SORT OF REVIEW OF WHETHER OR NOT THE POSITIONS AND THE JOB DESCRIPTIONS THAT WE HOLD FOR THOSE POSITIONS OR ARE, LIKE, I GUESS IF THE, IF THERE'S SOMEONE WHO'S SITTING AT THEIR DESK NOT DOING ANYTHING IS THE QUESTION LIKE, IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT, IS THAT THE SORT OF THING WE'LL ALSO BE PULLING OUT OF THIS REVIEW, WHETHER THERE BE WORK SHUFFLED FROM ONE AREA TO ANOTHER? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

IT'S REALLY LOOKING AT HOW WE DESCRIBE THE WORK THAT OUR STAFF DO, HOW WE DO IT IN A WAY THAT IS WITHIN THE PARAMETERS, OF COURSE, OF TERMS OF EMPLOYMENT.

THAT'S A BIG THING. WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING GOING ON WHERE WE SO RADICALLY CHANGE SOMEONE'S TERMS OF EMPLOYMENT THAT WE RISK A CONSTRUCTIVE DISMISSAL ARGUMENT BEING MADE.

SO IT'S REALLY WORKING WITHIN THE FUNCTIONS THAT PEOPLE ARE MANDATED TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT THE JOB DESCRIPTIONS ARE WRITTEN IN A WAY THAT ARE CORPORATELY CONSISTENT AND THAT ARE CORPORATELY TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THOSE ACCOUNTABILITIES, RESPONSIBILITIES, THE THINGS THAT WE KNOW THAT ARE THE CONSISTENT MEASURES ACROSS EACH OF THE JOB DESCRIPTIONS, KNOWLEDGE AND SKILLS, DECISION MAKING SCOPE, THE EFFORT THAT'S REQUIRED, THE WORKING CONDITIONS, THAT THOSE THINGS ARE ALL REALLY UP TO DATE AND THEY REFLECT THE REALITY OF WHAT THOSE JOBS LOOK LIKE.

SO NOT SO MUCH WORKING ON A REORG, BUT WORKING ON HOW WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT OUR JOB DESCRIPTIONS REALLY ACCURATELY REFLECT WHAT OUR STAFF DO AND THAT THEY ARE EVALUATED CONSISTENTLY ACROSS THE CORPORATION.

THANK YOU. ANYTHING FURTHER ON EACH DIVISION.

COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.

SO IN LOOKING AT GENERAL SERVICES, IN ONE OF THE QUESTIONS SUBMITTED IN THE AND THE RESPONSE FROM ADMINISTRATION WAS LOOKING TO GET BACK TO PRE-COVID LEVELS OF INVESTMENT, THE TRAINING, PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT SORT OF THING.

SO $1.06 MILLION MINUS THE 230 FOR JOB CLASSIFICATIONS, $48,000 FOR LABOR RELATIONS.

I GET ROUGHLY $791,000.

THE 2019 GENERAL SERVICES BUDGET FOR THIS WAS $582,000.

JUST WONDERING, WE SEEM TO BE ABOVE THE PRE-COVID LEVELS, SO JUST WONDERING WHAT THAT EXTRA MONEY IS FOR.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

I'LL BREAK DOWN WHAT OUR TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT AMOUNTS WERE IN THE GENERAL SERVICES SECTION.

IN 2020, IT WAS $461,000.

IN 2021, WE WENT DOWN TO $294,000, RECOGNIZING THAT STAFF WERE STILL TAKING SOME TRAINING AND THERE WAS SOME TRAINING THAT WAS MANDATORY FOR SOME OF OUR STAFF TO DO, BUT THERE WASN'T AS MUCH TRAVEL INVOLVED AND THERE WAS SOME ONLINE TRAINING THAT WAS POSSIBLE.

2022, WE WENT UP SLIGHTLY TO $344,000, AND THIS YEAR WE'RE LOOKING AT GOING UP OR, SORRY, IN 2023 WE'RE LOOKING AT GOING UP TO $391,000.

SO IN GENERAL SERVICES, THERE ARE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN ADDITION TO THE TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT DOLLARS.

THERE ARE, BEAR WITH ME HERE.

WE INCLUDE, TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT IS IN THERE.

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WE HAVE OUR EMPLOYEE FAMILY AND ASSIST, EMPLOYEE FAMILY AND EFAP.

OH MY GOODNESS. EMPLOYEE FAMILY ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.

WE HAVE OUR ADVERTISING FOR JOB VACANCIES.

WE'VE GOT OUR LEGAL AND LABOR RELATIONS SUPPORT AND OUR CONTRACTED COSTS, WHICH OF COURSE INCLUDE THE CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM, BUT ALSO HAVE THE CONTRACTED COSTS FOR SOME OF THE SYSTEMS THAT WE USE LIKE PREVIEW, CERIDIAN DAYFORCE AND WORK HUB.

SO THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT ARE ALSO INCLUDED IN THE GENERAL FUND.

BUT THE TRAINING PORTION, WHEN WE BREAK THAT DOWN.

IN 2023, WE'RE PROPOSING $391,000, UP OVER $344,000 IN 2022, 294 IN '21 AND 461 IN 2020. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE HR DIVISION? QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILLOR HENDRICKSEN.

I GUESS JUST A QUESTION ON PROCESS HERE, MADAM CHAIR, IS IF WE MOVE ON FROM NOW, CAN WE ALWAYS ROLL BACK TO THIS IF MORE THINKING HAS GONE ON IN THIS HEAD.

YEAH, WHAT WE DO AT THE VERY END IS LIKE KIND OF A GENERAL WRAP UP.

AND SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE LIKE BURNING AND LIKE, YEAH, I WANT, WE'LL COME, WE'LL CIRCLE BACK.

PERFECT. BUT IT WON'T BE TILL POSSIBLY THURSDAY PENDING OUR.

YEAH. OKAY.

SEEING NOTHING FOR HR, WE'LL MOVE ON.

FISCAL SERVICES. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT PAGE? PAGE 37.

SEEING NONE.

PAGE 40.

WE HAVE THE STAFFING SUMMARY FOR CORPORATE SERVICES.

NO PROPOSED CHANGES BETWEEN 2022 TO 2023, BUT ANY QUESTIONS ON THE STAFFING SUMMARY? SEEING NONE.

NEXT, WE HAVE CORPORATE SERVICES DIRECTORATE.

PAGE 42.

COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.

THANK YOU. I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S HERE, WHERE TO ASK? BECAUSE JUST THE WATER RATE, WATER RATE UPDATE.

JUST LOOKING FOR AN UPDATE ON THAT.

I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS EXACTLY WHEN TO ASK THAT, BUT.

THE WATER RATE REVIEW, OUR FAVORITE REVIEW, MS. BASSI-KELLETT. ANY UPDATE ON THAT ONE? ABSOLUTELY. BEFORE I HAND IT OVER TO MS. WOODWARD, I WILL SAY THAT WE WE TOOK THIS ON IN, GOSH, 2018.

THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT HAVE, OF COURSE, DEFERRED OUR ABILITY TO RESPOND TO THIS.

AND I WILL BE PLEASED TO NOTE THAT WE HAVE DEALT WITH A COUPLE OF THE IMMEDIATE ISSUES THAT WERE DRIVING THIS WITH CERTAIN USERS IN TOWN.

OF COURSE, IT IS REALLY GOOD TO GET TO THE POLICY BASIS FOR WHAT OUR WATER RATES LOOK LIKE.

AND, BUT RIGHT NOW, THE PRESSURES ARE NOT THE SAME WITH SOME OF THE USERS THAT HAD SOME MAJOR ISSUES WITH HIGH BILLING BASED ON THEIR UNIQUE SITUATIONS.

WE'VE DEALT WITH THOSE, BUT THE POLICY ISSUES REMAIN.

I'LL ASK MS. WOODWARD IF SHE'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE STATUS.

THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

AS MS. BASSI-KELLETT SAID, THE WORK IS ONGOING.

WE HAD BEEN WORKING WITH A CONTRACTOR WHO HAS COMPLETED A THOROUGH EVALUATION OF OUR REVENUES AND OUR COSTS.

NOW WE'RE ON TO THE TRICKY PART OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW BEST TO RAISE THOSE REVENUES.

ESPECIALLY AS WE LOOK AT TWO VERY DIFFERENT SYSTEMS BETWEEN OUR TRACT AND OUR WATER.

WE NOW HAVE A GOOD HANDLE ON HOW MUCH THE TRUCK SYSTEMS ARE SUBSIDIZING THE PIPE USERS.

SO NOW WE WILL BE GOING OUT TO PUBLIC CONSULTATION IN APRIL OF 2023 TO GET SOME FEEDBACK AND BRINGING EVERYTHING BACK TO YOU AS COUNCIL FOR YOU TO MAKE THOSE DIFFICULT POLICY CHOICES.

SO WORK IS PROGRESSING.

CONSULTATION, APRIL 2023.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANYTHING, COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.

JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU SAID TRUCK SUBSIDIZING PIPE SERVICE.

SHE MEANT PIPE SERVICE SUBSIDIZING TRUCKS.

CORRECT. OKAY. GOOD. ANYTHING FURTHER ON CORPORATE SERVICES DIRECTORATE? SEEING NONE.

NEXT, WE HAVE TAXATION AND BUDGETING.

PAGE 43.

SEEING NONE.

NEXT, WE HAVE FINANCIAL SERVICES DIVISION.

PAGE 44.

SEEING NONE.

NEXT, WE HAVE CORPORATE SERVICES AND RISK MANAGEMENT.

PAGE 45.

SEEING NONE.

NEXT WE HAVE IT.

PAGE 47.

COUNCILLOR FEQUET. JUST LOOKING FORWARD TO THE IT STUFF.

[LAUGHTER] THANK YOU.

WE ALWAYS ARE.

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ASSET MANAGEMENT AND GIS.

PAGE 48.

SEEING NONE.

NEXT, WE HAVE ACTIVE AND STRATEGY.

THE PROPOSAL STAFF SUMMARY IS SAME STAFFING RECOMMENDATION FOR 2022 AS 2023.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THE STAFFING SUMMARY? SEEING NONE.

NEXT WE GO TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND STRATEGY BUDGET PAGE.

UNFORTUNATELY, MY NUMBERS ARE CUT OFF.

PAGE 50 ANY.

COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN.

ALL RIGHT. SO I HAVE A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT QUESTIONS FOR THIS ONE.

SO, I GUESS I'LL START WITH, ON THE AGRICULTURAL GROW STRATEGY IMPLEMENTATION PLAN SIDE.

SO, AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, 1.1.4 WERE RECOMMENDATIONS ON INCENTIVIZING FOOD AND AGRICULTURE BUSINESSES.

I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE, WHERE WE'RE AT ON THAT AND IF ADMINISTRATION WILL HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL AS PART OF OUR DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE BYLAW REVIEW IN THE NEW YEAR. MS. BASSI-KELLETT. MS. THISTLE. THANKS FOR THE QUESTION.

GROW DIDN'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC, AS COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN, I BELIEVE IS AWARE, DIDN'T HAVE SPECIFIC BUDGET ALLOCATIONS TO IT.

SO WORK TO DATE'S BEEN DONE WITH INTERNAL DEPARTMENTAL RESOURCES.

AS COUNCIL AND COMMITTEE ARE AWARE, THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND STRATEGY AND PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT ARE WORKING ON AND RECENTLY, AS RECENT AS THIS WEEK, RELEASED A SURVEY ON PLEA SPEAK WITH RESPECT TO THE ENGAGEMENT ON THE REVAMP AND RE IMAGINATION OF THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE PROGRAM, INCLUDING THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE BYLAW.

SO IT WOULD BE PREMATURE TODAY TO SAY WHAT WILL COME OUT OF THAT ENGAGEMENT IN ANY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WILL COME FORWARD AS WE PROMISED.

IT'S ANTICIPATED THAT THAT WILL COME BACK IN Q1, I BELIEVE, AND AT THAT TIME WE'LL BRING FORWARD RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON OUR REVIEW AND ENGAGEMENT WITH PUBLIC AND STAKEHOLDERS.

BUT, SO BUT WORK TO DO WITH THE GROW STRATEGY IN TERMS OF HAVING SOME OF THOSE INCENTIVES DONE UNDER THE GROW STRATEGY HASN'T BEEN DONE DUE TO LACK OF FUNDS.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT. MS. THISTLE.

WITH DEPARTMENTAL RESOURCES, WE'VE INITIATED VARIOUS PROGRAMS. THE VERY FIRST KEY INITIATIVE THAT HAPPENED WAS WHEN THE ZONING BYLAW WAS ADOPTED.

THERE WERE CHANGES IN THE ZONING BYLAW THAT PERMITTED MORE ABILITY FOR RESIDENTS TO DO AGRICULTURE ON THEIR PROPERTIES AND LESS RESTRICTIONS AND REQUIRED LESS PERMITS.

SO THAT WAS A VERY KEY ASPECT AND IT WAS ALSO AN IMPLEMENTATION FOR GROW.

THE DEPARTMENT HAS DONE OTHER THINGS ON ITS OWN INITIATIVE OUT OF THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN WITH OUR INTERNAL RESOURCES.

FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE SUMMER OF 2022, WE WORKED WITH THE FARMER'S MARKET AND THEIR REQUEST WAS FUNDING TO SUPPORT THEIR ADVERTISING AND MARKETING. SO THROUGH OUR DEPARTMENT WE WORKED WITH THE FARMER'S MARKET ON AD SPACE AND MARKETING THAT THEY DID ALL SUMMER.

SO WE PAID FOR A LOT OF I CAN'T SAY ALL BUT A LOT OF THE ADS THAT WENT OUT WITH RESPECT TO THE FARMER'S MARKET OVER THE SUMMER OF 2022.

WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH A CONTRACTOR WHO WILL BE PROVIDING A PROGRAM IN 2023 THROUGH THE COMMUNITY SERVICES PROGRAM, PROGRAM THAT THEY PROVIDE.

AND OUR DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO BE PAYING FOR THE MATERIALS FOR THE STUDENTS THAT ATTEND THE AGRICULTURE SESSION.

THAT WILL BE ABOUT HOW TO START YOUR OWN GARDEN.

WE'VE ALSO MET WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRY TOWARDS AN INVESTMENT BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS AGRICULTURE MONEY AVAILABLE.

IT'S SOMETHING WE HEAR FROM OUR TERRITORIAL AND FEDERAL COUNTERPARTS.

WE'RE WORKING ON APPLICATIONS FOR THAT AGAIN SO THAT WE CAN WORK WITH A CONTRACTOR TO OFFER A PROGRAM IN 2023 THAT WILL ESSENTIALLY BE A MENTOR PROGRAM.

SO THROUGHOUT 2022, SINCE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF GROW, WE HAVE UNDERTAKEN DIFFERENT INITIATIVES JUST WITH INTERNAL RESOURCES RELYING ON PARTNERS.

ANOTHER THING THAT THE DEPARTMENT DID IS WE DEVELOPED ADVERTISEMENTS OR ADS ABOUT DID YOU KNOW, AND THEY WERE DONE KIND OF IN THE SAME VEIN AS DR.

SEUSS. THEY WERE ADS THAT WE HAD DESIGNED BY GRAPHIC DESIGNER AND RAN AGAIN THROUGH VARIOUS MEDIA OUTLETS, INCLUDING THE NEWSPAPER AND SOCIAL MEDIA.

SO, WE HAVE INCENTIVIZED AGRICULTURE IN THOSE WAYS WITHOUT HAVING SPECIFIC FINANCIAL INCENTIVES.

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YEAH, GREAT PROJECTS.

YEAH, I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO SUSS OUT HERE IS IF THERE WAS SOME, IF I PUT FORWARD A MOTION TO ALLOCATE SOME MONEY TO IMPLEMENTING PARTS OF THE GROW STRATEGY IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, WOULD THERE BE DEPARTMENTAL CAPACITY TO TAKE ON SOME MORE OF THAT WORK AND WOULD THAT LEAD TO TANGIBLE BENEFITS IN TERMS OF MORE RECOMMENDATIONS WHEN THAT DEVELOPMENT BYLAW COMES FORWARD OR DO YOU THINK NOT? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND STRATEGY DEPARTMENT IS VERY SMALL AND VERY MIGHTY, BUT HAS MANY THINGS ON THEIR PLATES, INCLUDING GIANT MINE, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THE JOINT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES AND A NUMBER OF OTHERS.

SO I'LL ASK MS. THISTLE IF SHE CAN PUT THIS RELATIVE TO THE OTHER WORK THAT'S UNDERWAY THAT HAS BEEN QUITE HIGH PROFILE IN DRIVING LOTS OF THINGS.

THANK YOU. SO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY IS REALLY THE BIBLE FOR OUR DEPARTMENT.

IT'S OUR GUIDE, GUIDING DOCUMENT AND AND ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT SUPPORTS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY IS REALLY OUR STARTING POINT.

OF COURSE, WE HAVE GROW AND THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED BY COMMITTEE AND COUNCIL.

HOWEVER, AT THE TIME CAN WE DID STRESS THAT THERE WASN'T GOING TO BE A LOT OF FUNDS PUT TOWARDS THAT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

AS MS. BASSI-KELLETT SAID, WE ARE A SMALL DEPARTMENT AND WE'RE CURRENTLY SHORT STAFFED.

WE HAVE THE SEVEN STRATEGIES THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR IMPLEMENTING AND THEY INCLUDE EVERYTHING FROM WE HAVE A WORK PLAN WITH THE MINERAL RESOURCE SECTOR TO WORKING WITH PARTNERS TO IMPLEMENT THE STRATEGY, THE GROWTH STRATEGY AND THE ACTION ITEMS. WE'RE MEETING WITH A COUPLE OF, I ACTUALLY HAVE THREE MEETINGS ALREADY LINED UP FOR THE NEXT MONTH WITH RESPECT TO GROW AND IMPLEMENTATION OF VARIOUS INITIATIVES.

IF THERE'S SPECIFIC BUDGET MONEY, CAN WE IMPLEMENT AND USE THAT MONEY? YES. HOWEVER, OUR WORK PLAN IS VERY FULL, AND SO IT WOULD MEAN REJIGGING OF INITIATIVES BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE TO IMPLEMENT ALL OF THE STRATEGIES AND ACTION ITEMS. SO WE'LL REALLY TAKE OUR DIRECTION FROM COMMITTEE AND COUNCIL ON PRIORITIES.

CAN I JUMP IN? JUST, SO COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE BYLAW, AND RIGHT NOW THE PRACTICE HAS BEEN, FOR EXAMPLE, TAX ABATEMENTS.

WE DON'T HAVE TO INCLUDE SAY $20,000.

IF A TAX ABATEMENT IS $20,000, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT IN THE BUDGET IN ORDER TO ISSUE IT.

IT'S JUST LOST REVENUE.

SO IF WE GET A DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE BYLAW AND IT COMES UP WITH $50,000 OR $75,000 WORTH OF INCENTIVES, DO WE NEED TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE BUDGET? OR HOW IS THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE BYLAW GOING TO WORK FOR THE TOTAL COST OF THE INCENTIVES? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. MS. THISTLE.

GREAT QUESTION. AS I INDICATED, IT'S PREMATURE FOR US TO COMMENT ON EXACTLY HOW THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES WILL BE ALLOCATED OR DISTRIBUTED.

WE JUST STARTED PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.

WE'LL HAVE TO DO STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT.

WE HAVE TO DO REVIEW OF BEST PRACTICES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

WHAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ARE DOING WITH RESPECT TO INCENTIVES, WHETHER THAT'S AGRICULTURE, TO DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION.

AND BECAUSE WE'RE AT THE BEGINNING STAGES OF THAT, I COULDN'T SAY TODAY WHAT BUDGET ALLOCATION WOULD OR WOULDN'T BE PUT TOWARDS.

HOWEVER, IF THERE IS A SPECIFIC BUDGET ALLOCATION FOR GROW, THEN OF COURSE THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO TOWARDS AGRICULTURE.

BUT TO SAY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE PROGRAM IN GENERAL THAT WE WILL COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS.

I CAN'T COMMIT TO THAT TODAY BECAUSE WE'RE NOT FAR ENOUGH DOWN THAT PROCESS.

YEAH, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND, BUT COUNCIL ADDING $50,000 TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY ISN'T GOING TO NECESSARILY ADD A COMPONENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE BYLAW TO SUPPORT AGRICULTURE.

THAT WOULD BE CORRECT, MS. BASSI-KELLETT? THANK YOU. YES, MISS THISTLE.

YES, IF IT WAS ALLOCATED SIMPLY TO THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE PROGRAM REVIEW AND RE-IMAGINATION, I CAN'T COMMIT THAT THAT WOULD GO SPECIFICALLY TOWARDS GROW.

IF ITS COMMUNITY AND COUNCIL'S DESIRE THAT GROW INITIATIVES SPECIFICALLY ARE FUNDED THROUGH BUDGET, THEN YES, IT WOULD REQUIRE A SPECIFIC BUDGET ALLOCATION.

THANKS A LOT. YEAH.

YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE. I THINK THIS IS ONE LIKE COUNCILLOR HENDRICKSEN I'LL RUMINATE ON A LITTLE BIT AND MAYBE REVISIT.

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THIS MIGHT BE MORE OF A LIKE, NOT EXACTLY.

IT'S RELATED TO THIS, BUT NOT ABOUT THIS.

IF WE ALLOCATE FUNDING FOR A SPECIFIC STRATEGY AND THAT.

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UM. YEAH.

SO IF WE ALLOCATE FUNDS FOR A SPECIFIC STRATEGY AND WE SORT OF, ONE OF THE.

I'M JUST THINKING THAT ONE OF THE EASIEST WAYS TO SUPPORT AGRICULTURE BECAUSE OF THE REALITY OF WE NEED AGRICULTURE, NOT GARDENING, IS TO JUST PROVIDE MONEY TO PEOPLE.

BUT THAT WOULD BE A GRANTING SORT OF THING.

AND I KNOW WE HAVE SORT OF, WE HAVE RESTRICTIONS AROUND HOW MUCH MONEY WE CAN ADMINISTER THROUGH GRANTS.

SO I'M WONDERING IF WE, IF THAT IS A SORT OF CONCLUSION THAT IS DRAWN, IF THAT WOULD AFFECT OUR GRANT.

YEAH. OR WHAT WE CAN PROVIDE IN GRANTS IN OUR GENERAL FUND AND ELSEWHERE IN OUR GENERAL FUND.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION, AND IT'S A THOUGHTFUL ONE.

WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT IT IS EXACTLY THAT COUNCIL WAS WANTING TO DO, BECAUSE COUNCILLOR MCGURK IS CORRECT, THE CITY MUST NOT EXCEED 2% OF THE PREVIOUS YEAR'S UNRESTRICTED REVENUES WHEN IT COMES TO COMMUNITY GRANTS.

I THINK WE HAVEN'T HIT THAT AND THERE IS A COMMUNITY GRANT RESERVE, SO THAT WOULD WARRANT SOME DISCUSSION AND WE WOULD WANT TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THIS OVERALL AMOUNT IS APPROACHED DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS THAT COUNCIL WOULD PROPOSE TO DO.

WHETHER OR NOT IT'S MICRO GRANTS OR SOMETHING ELSE, WE NEED TO HAVE A PROGRAM DESIGN, OF COURSE, TO SEE WHAT MAKES THIS WORK.

BUT THE 2% CAP IS DEFINITELY THERE.

THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. SO I THINK WE'RE ALL AWARE OF THE REALITY THAT'S COMING DOWN THE PIPE HERE AS MINES CLOSE.

SO I PERSONALLY FIND THIS NUMBER FOR, KIND OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, KIND OF EMBARRASSING CONSIDERING THAT WE'RE SPENDING MORE ON A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS.

SO I GUESS IN A BIT OF VEIN, THIS QUESTION.

WHAT CAPACITY QUESTION OR IS THE FUNDING LIMIT HERE.

[INAUDIBLE] IS IT LIMITING OUR ABILITY TO KIND OF BUILD SOME OF THE THINGS WE KEEP HEARING ABOUT FROM THE COMMUNITY? LIKE, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE ATTRACT INVESTMENTS TO THE CITY AND BUILDING INVESTMENT PACKAGES AND ALL THESE KIND OF THINGS.

SO, YEAH, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, WOULD MORE MONEY HELP US DO A LITTLE BETTER ON THE ACTIVE SIDE BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SMALL BUT MIGHTY, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO CUT IT AS MINES WIND DOWN.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IT'S A REALLY GOOD OBSERVATION, I THINK, AS MS. THISTLE HAS SAID, THERE'S SUCH AN EMPHASIS ON OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY AS THE BASELINE, BUT WE HAVE OTHER STRATEGIES AS WELL THAT ALL CONTRIBUTE IN DIFFERENT WAYS.

MORE CAPACITY, MORE MONEY IS ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT HELPS US ADVANCE, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE AS MANY DIFFERENT INITIATIVES AND STRATEGIES AS WE DO HAVE ON THE GO RIGHT NOW. MS. THISTLE, I'LL TURN IT TO YOU TO SEE IF YOU HAVE SOME SPECIFIC THOUGHTS.

NOT REALLY MUCH TO ADD.

OF COURSE, MORE MONEY, MORE STUFF, WE CAN ACCOMPLISH MORE.

I WOULD POINT OUT THAT A LOT OF THE INITIATIVES AND ACTIONS FROM GROW WERE NOT RELATED TO MONEY.

IT WAS UPDATING AND REVIEWING BYLAWS.

THERE'S SOME RESEARCH THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO PERMIT AGRICULTURE TO HAPPEN, ANIMAL CONTROL BYLAW TO MAYBE COME INTO PLACE, LIVESTOCK.

SO THERE WAS A LOT OF ACTION ITEMS THROUGHOUT GROW THAT WEREN'T RELATED TO BUDGET BUT ARE STILL QUITE TIME CONSUMING.

SO, WE'VE TICKED A LOT OF THEM OFF OUR LIST, OFF THE LIST ALREADY AT THE SAME TIME AS RUNNING SOME OF THESE OTHER PROGRAMS WITH PARTNERS TO TRY AND ADDRESS SOME OF THE OTHER ITEMS THAT WE SEE OUT OF GROW AND THAT WE HEAR FROM PARTNERS IN THE COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE ENGAGED WITH WILFRID LAURIER OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS AS WELL.

SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENING.

BUT YEAH, MORE MONEY AND MORE STUFF.

WE DEFINITELY CAN ACCOMPLISH MORE.

THANKS FOR THAT. SO I KNOW THE ACCOMMODATION LEVY IS N23, CORRECT?

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THERE'S DEFINITELY OVERLAP AROUND THAT AND THAT'S CERTAINLY PART OF THE MARKETING OF OUR CITY.

AND SO IF IT'S MARKETING IT FOR TOURISTS AND MARKETING IT FOR INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITIES, THERE WOULD BE OVERLAP.

BUT WE WOULD WANT TO PUT SOME SPECIFIC ATTENTION TO THE INVESTMENT COMPONENT.

I'LL ASK MS. THISTLE TO EXPAND.

DEFINITELY. DESTINATION MARKETING ORGANIZATION WILL MARKET THE CITY.

IT'S NOT JUST AS A PLACE TO BE A TOURIST IN THE NORMAL SENSE OF SEEING THE SNOW CASTLE AND SEEING DOG SLEDDING IN THE NORTHERN LIGHTS.

BUT ALSO THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY FOR STUDY, WORK, PLAY, THE AGRICULTURE GROWING IN A NORTHERN COMMUNITY, REMEDIATION, SEEING A MINE AND IT'S UP CLOSE AND IN PERSON, BEING REMEDIATED WHETHER THAT'S COLD WEATHER TESTING WHERE WE DID GET OUR, PUT TOGETHER A DOCUMENT WITH VARIOUS PARTNERS THAT'S NOW IN A DESTINATION CANADA WEBSITE AS ONE OF THE BEST PLACES FOR COLD WEATHER TESTING.

SO THERE'S MANY WAYS THAT A DMO OR A DESTINATION MARKETING ORGANIZATION CAN MARK A CITY OR COMMUNITY.

SO THERE'S DEFINITELY NO RESTRAINTS.

AND YES, THE WORK IS PLANNED TO HAPPEN IN 2023.

LAST QUESTION I GUESS IS A BIT AROUND DMO.

SO THE MONEY BROUGHT IN FROM THAT WILL BE COMPLETELY SEPARATE.

SO IT'S NOT ANYWHERE IN THE BUDGET, OBVIOUSLY.

SO IT WOULD BE ITS OWN SEPARATE ORGANIZATION RUN BY THE CITY, TENDERED OUT.

WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR THAT? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

THAT IS A VERY IMPORTANT FOCUS FOR 2023 FOR US.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR SOME TIME AND WE WILL HAVE A GOVERNANCE STRATEGY COMING FORWARD.

MS. THISTLE.

YES. THE VISITOR CENTER GOVERNANCE WILL BE COMING FORWARD FIRST.

SHORTLY THEREAFTER, THE ACCOMMODATION LEVY AND THE DESTINATION MARKETING ORGANIZATION GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE WILL COME FORWARD BECAUSE THEY ALL INTERRELATE AND THEY ALL NEED TO HAPPEN IN THE CORRECT SEQUENCE.

AWESOME. THANKS VERY MUCH.

THE, RIGHT NOW, WHEN SOMEONE WANTS TO COME TO OUR CITY AND INVEST IN ANY WAY, IT'S KIND OF A CHOOSE YOUR OWN ADVENTURE.

THERE'S NO REALLY MAPPING IT OUT.

SO GLAD TO HEAR THAT THIS MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF HORRIBLE RIGHT NOW.

THANKS. I JUST DID A REGIONAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY DEVELOPMENT, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS PEOPLE RAISED WAS THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE THE NORTH SLAVE MARKETING PACKAGE.

SO HOPEFULLY WITH THEIR DATA ANALYSIS AND CREWS OVER THERE, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO CHECK THAT OFF THE LIST OF THINGS TO DO.

ANYTHING FURTHER ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND STRATEGY? COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN. I HAVE A FEW HERE THAT ARE SORT OF RELATED, INTERTWINED BETWEEN ACTIVE BECAUSE OF THE VISITOR CENTER AND THE ART SPACE THERE AND THE NEXT SECTION, WHICH HAS THE ARTS AND CULTURE COORDINATOR.

SO MAYBE SHOULD I JUST DO THAT ALL IN THE NEXT SECTION? OR.

IF YOU WANT TO ASK THE VISITOR CENTER ARTS STUFF, IT'S POSSIBLY, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST QUESTION, MS. BASSI-KELLETT, IS BUDGET ALL HERE IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY? YEAH. OKAY. SO OVER TO YOU, COUNCILLOR.

OKAY. SO A COUPLE OF MOTIONS HERE.

SO,I'D LIKE TO PUT FORWARD A MOTION THAT COUNCIL INCLUDES $20,000 IN 2023 FOR ARTS PROGRAMING IN THE VISITOR CENTER AND DIRECTS ADMINISTRATION TO INCLUDE PROGRAMING COSTS AND ALLOCATIONS FOR FUTURE YEARS IN THE ARTS AND CULTURE MASTER IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, AND THAT THIS FUNDING BE CLEARLY INDICATED WITH A NOTE IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BUDGET, PROBABLY GENERAL SERVICES, AND THAT A SEPARATE MOTION COUNCIL DIRECTS ADMINISTRATION TO ADD FINALIZING THE ART SPACE GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE TO THE 2023 WORK PLAN TO BE DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE VISITOR CENTER GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE.

THESE TWO MOTIONS SORT OF RELATE TO WHAT I'M GOING TO PROPOSE IN THE NEXT SECTION, BUT I THINK THAT, AND ALSO ANOTHER ONE, THAT COUNCIL DIRECTS ADMINISTRATION TO OFFICIALLY NAME THE VISITOR CENTER ART SPACE.

AND I'LL HAVE A SORT OF LONGER JUSTIFICATION WHEN WE GET TO THE NEXT SECTION.

SO I CAN DO THAT NOW.

I'M JUST NOT SURE.

FIRST, WE'LL NEED A SECOND , SO LET ME JUST TRY TO GET WHAT YOUR MOTION, YOUR FIRST MOTION WAS.

SORRY, I'M TRYING TO GO THROUGH ALL YOUR.

SO THE FIRST ONE I THINK RELATES MOST DIRECTLY HERE IS THAT COUNCIL INCLUDE $20,000 IN 2023 FOR ARTS PROGRAMING IN THE VISITOR CENTER.

SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR FEQUET.

OPENING IT UP TO DISCUSSION.

I GUESS, MS. BASSI-KELLETT. IS THERE ANY FUNDING CURRENTLY ALLOCATED FOR THE ARTS COMPONENT OF THE ARTS GALLERY I

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AND AT THIS POINT THERE ISN'T.

WE HAVE BEEN DOING SOME PROGRAMING WITH VERY, VERY AWESOME PARTNERS WHO HAVE BEEN MEETING US PARTWAY ON THIS TO REALLY MAKE THE CENTER AND THE NONCOMMERCIAL GALLERY SPACE REALLY SPECIAL.

WE'VE BEEN DOING IT ON A LICK AND A PRAYER.

THERE'S NOTHING CURRENTLY IN THE BUDGET 2023 THAT REFLECTS THAT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO YOUR MOTION FURTHER? YEAH, FOR SURE. SO I THINK HERE IT'S, THERE'S SOME, IT'S GREAT TO HAVE THE SPACE AS THE ONLY NON COMMERCIAL ART GALLERY IN THE CITY.

AND I THINK LIKE THE CITY BEING A PARTNER WITH THE ARTS AND CULTURE COMMUNITY IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

WE'VE SEEN THAT IN THE ARTS AND CULTURE MASTERPLAN.

REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN THERE.

BUT WE HAVE SOME MOMENTUM HERE.

WE HAVE A SPACE.

IT'S HELPING TO REVITALIZE THE DOWNTOWN CORE AND IT'S GIVING ARTISTS A PLACE TO DISPLAY ART FOR ART'S SAKE.

IT'S GIVING US AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS OUR COMMUNITY, OCCASIONS TO GATHER AND BRINGING MORE PEOPLE DOWNTOWN.

NOW THAT WE HAVE THIS SPACE, I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP BUILDING ON THIS MOMENTUM.

I THINK PROVIDING MONEY IS A HUGE SIGNAL HERE AND GIVES THE ARTS AND CULTURE COMMUNITY SOME CERTAINTY THAT THERE WILL BE SHOWS NEXT YEAR AND THAT IT'S SOMETHING THEY CAN COUNT ON AND START PLANNING WITH.

YEAH, I THINK WITHOUT, WE COULD SPEAK IN PLATITUDES ALL DAY HERE, BUT I THINK PUTTING SOME MONEY HERE BEHIND THE ARTS AND CULTURE COMMUNITY AND BEING A REAL PARTNER IS IMPORTANT MOVING FORWARD.

THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE YOUR MOTION WRITTEN DOWN? YEAH. CAN YOU COPY, PASTE, SEND IT TO ME.

SURE. JUST SO THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE PROPER WORDING IN THE NOTES.

COUNCILLOR MCGURK.

I'D LIKE TO VOICE SOME SUPPORT FOR THIS, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE, AS WAS MENTIONED, THERE IS NO MONEY ALLOCATED FOR SPECIFICALLY THE ARTS PROGRAMING. WE CAN'T RELY ON ARTS NONPROFITS TO DO THE WORK THAT IS NEEDED TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT PLACE CONTINUE TO BE VIBRANT AND BE SPECIAL.

AND I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT US TO HAVE AN ASSET THAT IS SITTING EMPTY OR HAS THE SAME ART SHOWING FOR SIX MONTHS WITHOUT ANY SORT OF ENGAGEMENT ASPECT.

AND SO I THINK AT THE VERY LEAST, WE NEED TO ALLOCATE FUNDS TO ENSURE THAT PROGRAMING IS DELIVERED.

AND YEAH, LIKE OUR ARTS COMMUNITY IS VERY STRETCHED.

YEAH. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE MOTION? COUNCILLOR HENDRICKSEN.

THANKS, MADAM CHAIR. I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE FOR MOVING THE MOTION.

WHY 20,000? SPECIFICALLY. WE HAVEN'T REALLY MADE ANY OTHER TOUGH DECISIONS TONIGHT YET, AND I'M A LITTLE HESITANT TO PROPOSE ADDING NEW FUNDS TO THE BUDGET AT THIS TIME WHEN WE'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT A SIGNIFICANT TAX BASE INCREASE.

SO THAT WOULD BE, THOSE ARE SORT OF MY TWO BIGGEST, ONE A QUESTION AND ONE OF CONCERN I GUESS FOR FOR EVERYONE ELSE'S CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN, ANY RATIONALE BEHIND THE 20K? SO THE RATIONALE BEHIND THE $20K WAS JUST A ROUGH, FROM TALKING TO PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.

$5,000 A SHOW, FOUR SHOWS, THREE MONTHS EACH SHOW.

THAT'S WHERE THE DOLLAR VALUE CAME FROM.

AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE, THAT THE ASK ADDITIONAL MONEY.

I THINK THIS IS WHERE, SO LIKE AS PART OF THE NEXT THING, I HAVE ANOTHER MOTION THAT WILL BE COMING TO CUT THE ARTS AND CULTURE COORDINATOR POSITION. SO WE WOULD ACTUALLY SAVE MONEY CUTTING THAT POSITION.

THIS. YEAH, BASICALLY CUT THAT POSITION AND USE SOME OF THAT MONEY LIKE A MINOR FRACTION OF THAT MONEY TO PUT ON SHOWS.

ANYTHING FURTHER FROM COUNCIL ON THE MOTION.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT, I KNOW SOMETIMES, ESPECIALLY WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND STRATEGY, WE SEEK TO GET FUNDING TO PUT ON A LOT OF STUFF. SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF UNFUNDED PROGRAMS. WAS THE IDEA TO SEEK OUT FUNDING TO CONTINUE RUNNING THE ARTS PROGRAM OR WHAT WAS THE PLAN TO CONTINUE RUNNING THE ARTS CENTER? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

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SO THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PIECES TO THIS.

AND CLEARLY THE GOVERNANCE OF THE NONCOMMERCIAL GALLERY SPACE AS IT IS A COMPONENT OF THE VISITOR CENTER IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

NOW CLEARLY THEY ARE TWO COMPLEMENTARY FUNCTIONS.

WE WOULDN'T SEE THAT SOMEONE WHO HAS SKILLS IN MANAGING A VISITOR CENTER, ALSO KNOWING WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO HAVE A CURATED SHOW.

SO THERE NEEDS TO BE EXPERTISE IN BOTH AREAS.

WE'RE IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW OF WORKING OUT THE GOVERNANCE STRATEGY AND AS WE DO THEN CERTAINLY WE WILL ALWAYS BE LOOKING FOR FUNDS THAT CAN SUPPORT BOTH OF THOSE FUNCTIONS.

SO THAT'S BEEN VERY IMPORTANT TO US.

WE THINK THERE'S GOOD AREAS WHERE WE CAN FIND SOME OPERATIONAL FUNDING IN THE ARTS.

WE JUST HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE YET BECAUSE OUR FIRST PRIORITY HAS BEEN TO LOOK AT FOCUSING ON THE GOVERNANCE AND HOW IT WILL WORK FOR BOTH, PARTICULARLY FOR THE GALLERY BEING EMBEDDED WITHIN THE VISITOR CENTER.

THANK YOU. THE OTHER OPPORTUNITY IS THAT WE TABLE THE MOTION SO FOLKS HAVE THIS MOTION AND WE CAN CIRCLE BACK AND VOTE ON IT AT THE END OF. I'M SEEING NODDING HEADS.

SO WE WILL TABLE IT AND HAVE, CIRCLE BACK WHEN WE ARE READY TO DISCUSS THIS.

SEEING THAT WE'VE GONE BEYOND OUR TWO HOUR OR 90 MINUTE MARK, JUST WONDERING IF WE WANT TO CLOSE THE DISCUSSION NOW AND RESUME TOMORROW . WE'LL RESUME ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND STRATEGY.

FOLKS ARE OKAY AS OPPOSED TO TAKING A TEN MINUTE BREAK AND COMING BACK? COUNCILLOR MCLENNAN. JUST IF WE'RE GOING TO SORT OF TABLE PART OF THAT, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF I COULD JUST SORT OF GIVE A MORE FULLER SORT OF MY PACKAGE OF OF MOTIONS AND THEN WE CAN TABLE THAT AND SORT OF COME BACK TO IT, SORT OF PRESENT MY FULL SORT OF IDEA AND.

THEN WE'LL SEE IF WE'VE GOT A SECONDER.

SEND IT AND I'LL SEND IT OUT TOMORROW BECAUSE WE'LL NEED A SECONDARY AND THEN WE MIGHT WANT TO BREAK UP YOUR MOTION OR VOTE ON IT AS A BLOC BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE MAY SUPPORT A, BUT NOT B.

SO WE'LL SEE. SOMETIMES IT'S BETTER AS A BLOC, SOMETIMES IT'S BETTER AS INDIVIDUAL MOTIONS .

BUT, YOU SEND IT TO ME AND I'LL CIRCULATE AND WE'LL RESUME WITH THAT FRESH TOMORROW AT 5:30, IF THAT WORKS FOR FOLKS.

YEP. SO IF I CAN GET A MOTION TO RECESS TILL TOMORROW AT 5:30.

MOVED BY DEPUTY MAYOR ARDEN-SMITH, SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR WARBURTON.

ANYBODY OPPOSED? SEEING NONE, WE WILL RECESS AND RECONVENE TOMORROW AT 5:30.

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