Mar 28, 2022 Governance & Priorities Committee

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AND I'LL CALL OUR GOVERNANCE AND PRIORITIES COMMITTEE MEETING FOR MONDAY, MARCH 28TH, 2022

[1. Opening Statement]

FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL, IT'S BEEN THE TRADITIONAL LAND OF THE YELLOWKNIFE DENE FIRST NATION. WE RESPECT THE HISTORIES, LANGUAGES AND CULTURES OF ALL OTHER INDIGENOUS PEOPLES, INCLUDING THE NORTH SLAVE METIS AND ALL FIRST NATIONS, MATEY AND INUIT, WHOSE PRESENCE CONTINUES TO ENRICH OUR VIBRANT COMMUNITY.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD TO THE AGENDA?

[2. Approval of the agenda.]

NO, NOTHING ELSE TO ADD.

THANK YOU. NEXT, WE HAVE DISCLOSURE OF PECUNIARY INTERESTS IN THE GENERAL NATURE THEREOF.

[3. Disclosure of pecuniary interest and the general nature thereof.]

JUST LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT COUNCILLOR CONGA IS ON THE LINE FOR THOSE.

SORRY. NEXT ITEM IS A MEMORANDUM REGARDING WHETHER TO IMPLEMENT AN ADMINISTRATIVE

[4. A memorandum regarding whether to implement an Administrative Monetary Penalty System (“AMPS”) for parking offences.]

MS. BASSI-KELLETT. IF YOU'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE ITEM.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.

WITH PLEASURE. SO ADMINISTRATION IS VERY PLEASED TODAY TO BRING FORWARD THIS LONGSTANDING PRIORITY, WHICH IS GOING TO EXPEDITE THE PROCESS FOR DEALING WITH TICKETS AND FOR ENFORCING OUR BYLAWS.

CHANGES TO THE LEGISLATION THAT WERE MADE BY THE THROUGH THE SUMMARY CONVICTIONS PROCEDURES ACT WERE MADE IN 2018, AND THIS ENABLED MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENTS TO ADOPT AN ADMINISTRATIVE MONETARY PENALTY SYSTEM.

THIS HAS BEEN A LONG TIME IN THE MAKING.

IT HAS A LOT OF IMPLICATIONS FOR US, AND I'M REALLY PLEASED RIGHT NOW TO TURN THINGS OVER TO KERI THISTLE, DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND STRATEGY.

SHE IS IN HER ROLE AS LEGAL CITY SOLICITOR ALONG WITH PUBLIC SAFETY, WITH MUNICIPAL ENFORCEMENT, HAVE BEEN VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN PULLING THIS TOGETHER.

SO CARRY OVER TO YOU.

THANKS. AS WE ALL KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN A LONG PROCESS.

I THINK I'VE BEEN KIND OF WORKING ON THIS FROM THE VERY FIRST TIME WE SAW THE IDEA THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY DO FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS NOW, 12 TO 15 YEARS.

SO IT TOOK A LONG TIME TO GET THE CHANGES THROUGH THE GLOBE AND THEN IT TOOK A WHILE FOR US TO GET THIS PUT TOGETHER.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF WORK THAT HAD TO HAPPEN TO CREATE THIS SYSTEM.

SO I CAN'T TAKE ALL THE CREDIT.

THERE'S BEEN MANY PEOPLE INVOLVED.

SO THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SAFETY, JENNIFER MITCHELL, THE MANAGER OF MUNICIPAL ENFORCEMENT AND COLE, HE'S THE BETTER TERM MANAGER OF MUNICIPAL LAND POLICY AS WELL AS KEITH SULZER, WHO IS THE MUNICIPAL LAW AND POLICY MANAGER.

THERE'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY HAS PUT IN A TON OF WORK ON THIS.

SO I DEFINITELY I'M HERE TO GIVE THE PRESENTATION, BUT IT'S BEEN A HUGE GROUP EFFORT AND WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE REALLY EXCITED WHEN THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED.

SO. YOU STARTED THIS.

WE HAVE MET IN PERSON. AND WHILE.

THANK YOU. I CAN DO THIS.

YOU CAN JUST DO THAT. SO WHAT IS AN AMP? THIS IS REALLY A MORE EFFICIENT WAY FOR CITIES TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE PARKING.

ANYONE THAT LIVED IN THE CITY FOR A WHILE KNOWS THAT RIGHT NOW IF YOU GET A PARKING TICKET, IF YOU DON'T PAY IT ON TIME, MEADE HAS TO SWEAR A SUMMARY, OFFENSE, TICKET INFORMATION AND THEY DELIVER IT AT YOUR FRONT DOOR.

YOU HAVE TO GO. JUSTICE OF THE PEACE COURT.

AND EVEN THEN, IF YOU DON'T SHOW UP BECAUSE YOU THINK, OH, WHATEVER, I'LL JUST PAY IT WHEN I REGISTER MY VEHICLE, WE HAVE TO DO AN EX PARTE TRIAL AT JUSTICE OF THE PEACE COURT, WHICH REALLY MEANS WE HAVE TO RUN THROUGH A TRIAL JUST WITHOUT HAVING THE PERSON THERE TO GIVE THEIR OWN EVIDENCE.

SO IT IS QUITE A TIMELY PROCESS TO GET FROM WHEN THE PARKING INFRACTION HAPPENS TO WHEN THE ACTUAL TICKET IS CONVICTED.

AND ALTHOUGH WE MIGHT, LIKE I SAID, THINK, OH, NO BIG DEAL, IT'LL I'LL JUST PAY IT WHEN I GET MY VEHICLE. IT DOES CAUSE THE CITY QUITE A BIT OF WORK IN THE INTERIM.

SO THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET A PENALTY NOTICE INSTEAD OF A PARKING TICKET AND THAT WILL BE ENFORCED IN A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT WAY THAN PARKING TICKETS CURRENTLY ARE. AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE'RE TAKING IT OUT OF THE KIND OF MOTOR VEHICLE QUASI CRIMINAL INFRACTION AND JUST MAKING IT AN ADMINISTRATIVE INFRACTION, WHICH REALLY THAT'S WHAT PARKING IS. YOU KNOW, JAIL TIME IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AS A RESULT OF NOT PARKING IN THE RIGHT SPOT. BUT FINES DEFINITELY ARE AN APPROPRIATE PENALTY.

SO SOME BENEFITS OF THIS SYSTEM BESIDES TO, YOU KNOW, JUST IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFICIENT. IT'S GOING TO ALLOW OFFICERS TO FOCUS A BIT MORE TIME, ACTUALLY A LOT MORE TIME ON THEIR PRIORITIES, BECAUSE AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, JUST THE PROCESS OF SWEARING THE SAUDIS AND ISSUING THEM INDIVIDUALLY AT PEOPLE'S HOMES OR BUSINESSES IS QUITE TIME

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SO IT'LL BE ABLE TO GIVE THEM MORE TIME TO ADDRESS THEIR PRIORITIES THAT NOW COME FORWARD TO COUNCIL ESSENTIALLY FOR A BLESSING EVERY YEAR.

IT ALSO GIVES US MORE CUSTOMER SERVICE BECAUSE WE HAVE LESS FORMAL PROCESS.

SO REALLY WHERE SOME OF THE FRUSTRATION AROSE FROM THIS IS WE WILL GET PEOPLE CONTACTING US. THAT SAID, I DIDN'T I DIDN'T DRIVE THAT DAY LIKE I WASN'T EVEN IN TOWN AND I GOT A CONVICTION. AND IF IT'S REGISTRATION AND INSURANCE, THAT CAN BE IF YOU HAVEN'T PAID YOUR TICKET, BY THE TIME YOU GET TO DO YOUR VEHICLE REGISTRATION, IT'S OVER $2,000.

SO IT DOES MAKE PEOPLE GO, OH, MY GOD, LIKE I DIDN'T DO THIS.

AND AND THEN WE REALIZED, YEAH, THEY'RE RIGHT.

THEY WEREN'T IN TOWN. THEY SHOW US PROOF THAT THEY WERE IN ALBERTA AND IT TURNS OUT IT WAS THEIR FRIEND OR SOMETIMES THEIR SISTER THAT WAS IMPERSONATING THEM.

AND AND THEY WOUND UP WITH THIS VEHICLE CHARGE.

WELL, EVEN WHEN WE AS A CITY FILED ALL THE DOCUMENTS ON THEIR BEHALF AND SAID THERE WAS A PROBLEM, THE COURT HAD TO MAINTAIN THE JUDGMENT BECAUSE IT WAS ISSUED PROPERLY.

AND WE'RE LIKE, OH, THERE'S NO EFFICIENT WAY FOR US TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, THERE'S A MISTAKE HERE. WE'VE HAD CASES WHERE SOMEBODY HAD TO PROVIDE THEIR PROOF OF REGISTRATION AND INSURANCE. THEY EMAILED IT TO THE OFFICER.

IT INADVERTENTLY WENT INTO JUNK MAIL.

THEY GET CONVICTED IN ABSENCE.

THEY DON'T FIND OUT UNTIL THEY GET GO TO REGISTER THEIR VEHICLE.

AND THEY HAVE THIS LIKE 20 $100, 20 $300 FINE.

AND AND WE'RE LIKE, OH, YEAH, YOU DID PROVIDE IT.

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED. AND THERE'S NO WAY TO FIX IT SHORT OF GOING THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM, SAME AS IF YOU WERE APPEALING LIKE ASSAULT CHARGES.

AND AND IT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT CRAZY THAT A PARKING TICKET WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS. BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE UNDER THE SAME LEGISLATION.

IT'S THE MOTOR VEHICLE ACT AND THE SUMMARY OFFENSE PROCEDURES ACT.

SO THIS TAKES IT OUT OF THAT AND MAKES IT MORE ADMINISTRATIVE, WHICH IS REALLY WHERE IT BELONGS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE SEEN CITIES FOR THE PAST 15 YEARS DOING THIS.

IT ALSO CAME ABOUT FOR SOME CITIES BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE IF EVERYONE'S AWARE, BUT THERE WAS A CASE THAT CAME ABOUT AND ESSENTIALLY THE SUPREME COURT LAID OUT TIMEFRAMES WHICH IN WITH CERTAIN MATTERS HAD TO BE HEARD.

AND THERE WERE SOME CITIES ACROSS CANADA THAT COULDN'T MEET THAT TIME FRAME.

AND SO PEOPLE KNEW IF THEY REQUESTED A COUPLE OF ADJOURNMENTS THAT THEY WOULD GET OUTSIDE THAT TIME FRAME AND THEN THEY WOULD ASK FOR THE TICKET TO BE DISMISSED BECAUSE IT HADN'T BEEN HEARD AND HADN'T BEEN HEARD IN A TIMELY FASHION.

SO SOME CITIES WERE ACTUALLY EXPERIENCING A BIG REVENUE LOSS AS A RESULT OF THAT.

SO AGAIN, BRINGING IT INTO AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS MADE IT MUCH MORE EFFICIENT.

AND THEN THEY WEREN'T SEEING THOSE SAME EFFECTS.

AND THEN, LIKE I'VE KIND OF INDICATED IN A ROUNDABOUT WAY, IT GIVES US SOME MORE FLEXIBILITY. SO LIKE YOU SAID, IN SOME OF THOSE TIMES, WHEN SOMEONE COMES IN AND SAYS, OH, I WASN'T PERFECT OR OR, YOU KNOW WHAT, THERE A PROBLEM WITH THE METER THAT DAY.

AND IF WE CAN VERIFY THAT, IT GIVES US THE FLEXIBILITY TO SAY, OKAY, THAT'S A LEGITIMATE REASON AND WE YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN CONVICTED IN ABSENCE.

SO IT GIVES US THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY OR WIGGLE ROOM THAT'S NOT AVAILABLE UNDER THE TERRITORIAL LEGISLATION.

AGAIN, LESS FORMAL HEARINGS.

WHAT WE'RE PLANNING IS THAT THERE'LL BE A HEARING HELD.

WE'RE NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW OFTEN WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE THESE.

AT THE BEGINNING, WE MIGHT SCHEDULE IT FOR ONCE A MONTH.

WE ARE VERY SKEPTICAL WHETHER WE'RE EVEN GOING TO REQUIRE THAT UNTIL CAN PROVIDE US WITH SOME OF THE STATS. BUT IT'S VERY FEW, VERY FEW TICKETS ACTUALLY WIND UP DISPUTED.

SO WE DON'T REALLY SEE THE NEED TO HOLD MANY OFFICIAL HEARINGS, BUT IT WILL BE LESS OFFICIAL. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A COURTROOM.

IT WILL BE ADJUDICATOR.

IT WON'T BE THE SAME FORMAL COURT PROCESS.

SO IT'S A LITTLE LESS INTIMIDATING FOR PEOPLE AND IT WILL REDUCE THE IMPACT ON OUR ADMINISTRATIVE RESOURCES IF WE CAN RESOLVE SOME OF THESE TICKETS SOONER.

LIKE I SAID, SOME OF THESE APPEALS TAKE MY TIME, COLE'S TIME, OURS.

WE'D HAVE TO DRAFT THE DOCUMENTS WHERE THEM FOLLOW THEM WITH THE COURT.

WE USUALLY WIND UP AT APPEALS LISTINGS.

IT HAPPENS ABOUT EVERY THREE OR FOUR MONTHS.

IT'S A COUPLE OF HOURS.

WE HAVE TO SIT THROUGH COURT.

WELL, JUST TO SAY, OH, WE'RE WORKING ON THE APPEAL FOR THESE PARKING MATTERS.

SO IT'LL IT'LL TAKE A LOT OF THOSE RESOURCES TO FREE THEM UP.

SO IT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT TRAINED IN A TYPICAL AMP SYSTEM.

I'LL JUST RUN THROUGH IT QUICKLY.

WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD THIS BEFORE, BUT YOU ISSUE YOUR PENALTY NOTICE.

SOMEBODY PAY GETS THEIR PENALTY NOTICE.

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IF THEY GET THEIR PENALTY NOTICE AND THEY WANT TO DISPUTE IT AND NOW THEY WILL HAVE TO COME, I CAN BACK UP.

RIGHT NOW, WHEN YOU GET YOUR PENALTY NOTICE, ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE GUILTY.

YOU'RE GUILTY OF YOUR PARKING INFRACTION.

IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU WERE UNFAIRLY GIVEN A PENALTY NOTICE, THEN YOU CONTACT THE CITY AND YOU ASK THE SCREENING OFFICER TO REVIEW THAT PENALTY NOTICE.

IF THE SCREENING OFFICER AGREES, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE GOT IT.

THEN IT DIES THERE.

AND IF NOT, THEN THE SCREENING OFFICER SAYS, SORRY, NO, YOU'RE YOU GOT THE PENALTY NOTICE LEGITIMATELY. THEN THE PERSON ALSO HAS THE ABILITY THEN TO TAKE IT TO THE ADJUDICATOR AND HAVE A HEARING HELD.

SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS CHART SHOWS.

SO WHAT HAVE WE DONE TO DATE? IT'S TAKEN US LONGER THAN WE ANTICIPATE IT, BUT THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF WORK THAT CHANGED TO THE GENUITY TERRITORIAL LEGISLATION JUST SAID YOU CAN CREATE THIS SYSTEM.

IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS, JURISDICTIONS, THEIR PROVINCIAL LEGISLATION LAID OUT A VERY DETAILED PROCESS ON HOW THE ADMINISTRATIVE MONETARY PENALTY SYSTEM HAD TO WORK.

SO CITIES KIND OF HAD TO COPY AND PASTE THOSE SECTIONS INTO A BYLAW.

WE HAD TO START FROM SCRATCH.

SO WE LOOKED AT EXAMPLES FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

THIS REALLY ONTARIO.

MOST PLACES ARE USING THIS.

WINNIPEG WAS ABOUT 2017, 2018 IN MANITOBA.

SO WE LOOKED AT JURISDICTIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND THEN OF COURSE, WE HAD TO TAILOR IT TO MATCH YELLOWKNIFE.

SO WE HAD TO DRAFT AN ACTUAL ADMINISTRATIVE MONETARY SYSTEM BYLAW THAT REALLY SETS IT OUT BECAUSE YOU CAN DO MORE THAN JUST PARKING IN THESE AND YOU CAN SEE THAT ACROSS SOME JURISDICTIONS. WE ARE NOT DOING THAT RIGHT NOW.

WE ARE GOING TO ESSENTIALLY TACKLE THE PARKING FIRST, SEE HOW THIS ALL WORKS OUT AND WHEN THIS IS RUNNING SMOOTHLY.

WE CAN MAKE AN ASSESSMENT WHETHER WE BELIEVE AND RECOMMEND THAT WE SHOULD TAKE SOME OTHER THINGS INTO THIS THAT COULD FALL UNDER ADMINISTRATIVE PENALTIES.

BUT WE'RE NOT READY TO DO THAT YET.

WE DID DRAFT A PARKING BYLAW.

REALLY WHAT WE DID THERE WAS WE HAD TO TAKE ALL THE PARKING SECTIONS OUT OF THE HIGHWAY TRAFFIC BYLAW. AND THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE PARKING THE AND THE HIGHWAY TRAFFIC BYLAW, BECAUSE WE HAD TO AMEND THE HIGHWAY TRAFFIC BYLAW BY REMOVING ALL OF THOSE PARKING SECTIONS. SO ALL OF THOSE PARKING THINGS CAME OUT AND BECAME THE PARKING BYLAW.

AND WHAT WAS LEFT WAS THE HIGHWAY TRAFFIC BYLAW.

WE MADE SOME MINOR ADJUSTMENTS TO THE HIGHWAY TRAFFIC BYLAW, LIKE UPDATING SCHEDULES, UPDATING THE MAPS THERE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE HIGHWAY TRAFFIC BYLAW, THEY'RE QUITE OLD AND DATED, SO WE MADE THEM MORE LEGIBLE AND ACCURATE FOR TODAY.

AND WE'VE ALSO DRAFTED A TERMS OF REFERENCE FOR AN ADJUDICATOR, THE HEARING OFFICER, AND PENDING A PASSING OF THIRD READING OF THESE BYLAWS, THEN WE'LL ISSUE THE RFP FOR THAT POSITION SO THAT WE'RE PREPARED FOR A ROLLOUT IN SEPTEMBER.

SO TODAY WE'RE AT GPC TO DISCUSS THE THREE BYLAWS.

APRIL 2022.

IF WE GET THIRD READING, THEN AS I JUST SAID, WE'LL ISSUE THE RFP AND CONTRACT AND ADJUDICATOR. BETWEEN MARCH AND AUGUST, WE HAVE A LOT OF OPERATIONAL POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT NEED TO BE DEVELOPED.

FOR EXAMPLE, THERE WILL BE A SECTION ON THE WEBSITE WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO TO FIND INFORMATION, WHERE THEY CAN CLICK TO GET THE FORM IF THEY WANT TO APPLY TO THE SCREENING OFFICER, IF THEY WANT TO HAVE A HEARING.

WE NEED TO HAVE CHECKLISTS FOR SCREENING OFFICERS SO THAT WHEN SOMEONE COMES IN, THEY CAN GO TICK, TICK, TICK.

WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE GUIDELINES IN PLACE BECAUSE IF PEOPLE COME IN AND SAY, I DON'T THINK MY PARKING TICKET WAS ISSUED PROPERLY, THERE NEEDS TO BE GUIDELINES THAT ARE FOLLOWED ON A REGULAR BASIS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SCREENING OFFICERS, WHICH WE'RE RECOMMENDING ARE MERELY THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SAFETY AND THE MANAGER.

THEN IN JULY, AUGUST, WE'LL HAVE A COMMUNICATIONS CAMPAIGN TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF THIS. I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT OUTWARD FACING LOT IS GOING TO CHANGE FOR THE PUBLIC. THEY'RE GOING TO GET A PENALTY NOTICE INSTEAD OF A PARKING TICKET.

THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK PRETTY MUCH THE SAME.

IT'S GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING.

WE HAVEN'T CHANGED FINED.

SO OUTWARDLY, I DON'T THINK THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO SEE MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE.

BUT WE STILL WILL COMMUNICATE THIS FULLY TO EVERYBODY.

AND THEN IF THESE ARE ADOPTED, WE WILL BE IN THE NEW SYSTEM.

SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2022.

WE WILL BE IN TWO SYSTEMS FOR A LITTLE WHILE BECAUSE AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, PARKING TICKETS WILL HAVE AND WILL BE ISSUED UNTIL AUGUST 31, 2022.

THOSE TICKETS WILL STILL BE IN THE OLD SYSTEM, WHICH IS JUSTICE OF THE PEACE COURT TICKETS ISSUED PENALTY NOTICES ISSUED ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2022, WILL BE UNDER THE NEW SYSTEM. SO WE WILL STILL CONTINUE WITH THE COURT DATES FOR ALL THE EX PARTE TRIALS WE

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ALSO, COVID HAS PUT A LITTLE BIT OF A HICCUP IN MATTERS HAVING BEEN HEARD OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS. SO THINGS HAVE BEEN DELAYED.

SO WE AREN'T AS FAR THROUGH THOSE TICKETS AS WE WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE BEEN.

BUT WE RECOGNIZE MOVING INTO THIS, THAT WILL BE IN TWO SYSTEMS. AND AS I INDICATED EARLIER, WE DON'T REALLY SEE THERE BEING A HEAVY LOAD ON STUFF WITH RESPECT TO HEARINGS FOR THE NEW SYSTEM, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO ACTIVELY FIGHT THEIR PARKING TICKET, NOT JUST NOT PAY IT.

SO SUBJECT TO THAT IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS AND EVERYONE IN OUR TEAM IS HERE, SO WE SHOULD HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO ANSWER EVERYTHING.

THANK YOU. COUNCILOR WILLIAMS. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. AND THANK YOU, HARRY, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

IT WAS INFORMATIVE.

JUST GOT A QUICK ONE. JUST ABOUT THE ADJUDICATORS.

THAT'S WHERE I'M MOST INTERESTED IN THE SELECTING OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE KIND OF DOING A QUASI JUDICIAL SORT OF ROLE.

I SEE THAT YOU HAVE SOME CRITERIA, YOU KNOW, LIKE A THROUGH G, YOU KNOW, THEY ALL SEEM REASONABLE EXCEPT FOR I FEEL LIKE THEY MAYBE STOP A LITTLE BIT SHORT OF CALLING OUT, SAY, SPECIFIC CREDENTIALS THAT ONE MAY HAVE OR HOLD.

AND I'M JUST SORT OF CURIOUS IN WHY YOU CHOSE TO GO THAT WAY.

AND WAS THERE IS THERE SPECIFIC CREDENTIALS THAT MAY SET UP AN ADJUDICATOR TO BE ABLE TO BETTER BALANCE THE LAW OR HAVE A BETTER SENSE OF THE LAW IN CANADA? MS. BASSI-KELLETT MS..

THISTLE THINKS THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

THE REASON WE DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY, LIKE, YOU HAVE TO BE A LAWYER OR YOU HAVE TO BE A JUSTICE OF THE PEACE IS BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT COULD BE SUITED TO A POSITION LIKE THIS.

THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ACT AS ADJUDICATORS OR HEARING OFFICERS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL TENANCIES ACT, FOR WORKER'S COMPENSATION AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT PRACTICE QUITE A BIT AND ADMINISTRATIVE LAW OR MATTERS COULD HAVE THEIR CERTIFICATION AS AN ADJUDICATOR LIKE ADMINISTRATIVELY AND AND MAYBE AREN'T DESIGNATED AS A LAWYER OR A JUSTICE OF THE PEACE AND OR HAVE BEEN A JUDGE IN A PAST LIFE. SO NOT THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE ELIGIBLE, BUT JUST WE DIDN'T LIMIT IT TO THAT.

THE TERMS OF REFERENCE THAT WE'VE DRAFTED DO GIVE, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT BUILD ON A LITTLE BIT OF THESE REQUIREMENTS.

BUT YEAH, THAT'S SPECIFICALLY WHY WE DIDN'T LIMIT IT TO SPECIFIC PROFESSIONS.

YEAH, I CAN HEAR YOU THERE.

IT WAS ONE THAT KIND OF FOR ME JUST WAS A LITTLE BIT BORED.

BUT AS LONG AS THE ADMINISTRATION FEELS FAIRLY CONFIDENT THAT THAT THERE ARE THESE ADJUDICATORS OUT THERE AND HOPEFULLY THAT FURTHER CRITERIA WILL HELP THAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL COUNSELOR MORGAN? THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I DEFINITELY SEEMS LIKE AN EXCITING NEXT STEP.

I CAN SENSE FROM YOUR PRESENTATION AND THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE WORKED ON THIS THAT IT IS A BIG STEP FORWARD FOR THE CITY.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN? IT WAS MENTIONED IN THE MEMO THAT THIS COULD POTENTIALLY EVEN INCREASE REVENUES FOR THE CITY.

I KNOW IT MENTIONED THERE WOULD BE SOME NEW COSTS, BUT THE MEMO MENTIONED THAT OVERALL IT COULD END UP INCREASING REVENUES FOR THE CITY.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW OR WHY THAT WOULD BE THE CASE? MS. BASSI-KELLETT MS..

THISTLE, THANKS FOR THE QUESTION.

I THINK REALLY WHERE WE'RE GOING TO SEE THE RESOURCES IS THE TICKETS AREN'T GOING TO TAKE QUITE AS LONG TO GET THROUGH COURT AS THEY DO NOW.

AND THEY WON'T TIE AS A TIE UP AS MUCH RESOURCES TO GET US THERE.

FOR EXAMPLE, NOW THE OFFICERS SPEND HOURS OF THEIR TIME DELIVERING THESE PENALTY, NOT PENALTY NOTICE PARKING TICKETS.

SORRY, I WANT TO GET THE LANGUAGE RIGHT.

AND SO THEY WILL NO LONGER HAVE TO DEDICATE ALL THAT TIME AND RESOURCES JUST TO GET THE $15 PARKING TICKET PAID.

IF WE ONLY HAVE TO HAVE A HEARING ONCE EVERY FOUR MONTHS, IF WE GET TO THAT POINT RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE I BELIEVE TUESDAY NIGHTS IS WHEN THEY HEAR THE NEXT PARTY TICKETS FOR JUSTICE OF THE PEACE COURT.

SO AND THAT HAPPENED EVERY WEEK.

SO, YOU KNOW, AT ONE POINT WE HAD TO GET A SECOND COURT NIGHT BECAUSE WE HAD SO MANY OUTSTANDING PARKING TICKETS, PLUS WE HAD SO MANY TRIALS.

SO THEN WE ARE IN COURT TUESDAY NIGHTS AND WEDNESDAY NIGHTS.

SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF THAT TIME AND BE ABLE TO LET US FOCUS IT OTHER THAN PARKING TICKETS, NOT THAT THEY WON'T BE ENFORCED, JUST THAT IT SHOULDN'T TAKE UP AS MUCH TIME AND EFFORT ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE OF THINGS AND THEN IT SHOULDN'T COST AS MUCH BECAUSE OF AN ADJUDICATOR ONLY HAS TO HEAR HERE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR MONTHS.

IT'S ALSO NOT VERY TIME CONSUMING.

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SO THAT'S THE WAY WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT.

IT COULD ESSENTIALLY SAVE US MONEY AND THEN HOPING THAT PEOPLE ARE MORE ENCOURAGED TO PAY THEIR TICKETS ON TIME BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE AN EASIER SYSTEM AND NOT AGAIN TAKE US AS LONG TO GET TO THAT. BY THE TIME I FINISHED COURT, I THINK WE GET $25, BUT IT TAKES US A LONG TIME TO GET THERE.

OKAY. THANKS FOR EXPLAINING THAT.

AND THEN JUST TO CLARIFY HOW THE INDEPENDENT ADJUDICATOR WOULD WORK, WOULD THEY BE ON RETAINER TO THE CITY? SORT OF LIKE OUR ARRANGEMENT WITH THE INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER OR HOW WOULD THAT ARRANGEMENT WORK? MS. BASSI-KELLETT VERY CLOSE TO THAT, YES.

MS. THISTLE YEAH, WE ENVISION A SIMILAR ARRANGEMENT.

SO WHEN WE ISSUE THE TERMS OF REFERENCE, WE'LL GIVE IT INDICATION, BUT THERE'LL BE NO MONTHLY STIPEND OR ANYTHING.

IT'LL REALLY BE BASED ON IT AS AND WHEN RESOURCES ARE REQUIRED.

OC THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I'M DEFINITELY IN SUPPORT OF MOVING FORWARD, COUNCILOR WILLIAMS. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. SORRY, YOUR LINE OF QUESTIONING BROUGHT UP ANOTHER ONE FOR ME, SO THAT'S GREAT. I JUST THOUGHT, LIKE, WHAT ABOUT FLAT OUT REFUSAL TO PAY? I KIND OF KNOW THAT PROCESS UNDER THE CURRENT ONE BECAUSE AGAIN, IT GOES TO THE JWT SO THAT THERE'S A ROADBLOCK WHEN YOU'RE WANTING TO THEN RENEW YOUR REGISTRATION AND YOU HAVE TO CLEAR UP ALL YOUR PENDING PARKING TICKETS BEFORE YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DRIVE IN THE TERRITORY. SO IF WE TAKE IT OUT OF THAT JUDICIAL SYSTEM, IS THE JWT INVOLVED ANY LONGER? AND WHAT IS THE ULTIMATE OF, SAY, A STICK IN THE MUD THAT'S REFUSING TO PAY OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES? MS. BASSI-KELLETT MS..

THISTLE THAT'S THE MAGICAL QUESTION, AND WE'VE HAD MUCH DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW WE ENFORCE COLLECTION AMONG OUR LITTLE WORKING GROUP.

ACTUALLY, THEY AREN'T ON YOUR REGISTRATION ANYMORE, SO IT HASN'T BEEN LIKE THAT FOR A LITTLE BIT. WE HAD ENTERED INTO SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DWP TO GO BACK TO THAT WAY, BUT THAT HAS NOT BEEN SOLIDIFIED.

HOW WE COLLECT IS ONE WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH CIVIL.

WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED AS A GROUP THAT WE WE WILL FOR THE FIRST FEW KIND OF, YOU KNOW, OFFENDERS THAT REFUSE.

WE LIKELY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IT, WASTE OUR TIME AND ENERGY TO ENFORCE THOSE SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW WE ACTUALLY ARE GOING TO ENFORCE THOSE.

WE CAN'T HAVE A SYSTEM THAT PEOPLE ARE LIKE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PAY BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MATTER IF WE GET CONVICTED BECAUSE NOBODY'S COMING AFTER ME.

SO SO THAT'S ONE THING WE'VE ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A COUPLE THAT WE TAKE ALL THE WAY THROUGH.

THE OTHER THING IS THAT UNDER THE MOTOR VEHICLES ACT AND THE HIGHWAY TRAFFIC BYLAW, IF YOU'RE PARKED SOMEWHERE, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE PARKED.

SO WHETHER IT'S IN VIOLATION OF A METER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THE CITY CAN ISSUE A TICKET, BUT WE CAN ALSO TOW.

SO WE DON'T HAVE TO JUST ISSUE A TICKET FOR NOT BEING.

WE CAN ALSO TAKE IT IN TOW.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN WE HAD OFFENDERS THAT OWED AN EXCESS OF $5,000 IN PARKING TICKET, WE ACTUALLY SENT LETTERS TO THOSE PEOPLE AND SAID, FROM NOW ON, WHEN WE FIND YOUR VEHICLE AND A METER, IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO HAVE A TICKET, IT'S GOING TO GET TICKETED AND TOWED, AND THEN IT'S THEIR EXPENSE TO GET THEIR VEHICLE BACK.

SO THERE ARE VARIOUS TOOLS THAT WE CAN USE HOPING WE WON'T HAVE TO DO THAT VERY OFTEN, BUT DEFINITELY AWARE THAT IT COULD BECOME THE CASE.

AND MOST LIKELY WE WILL HAVE TO TAKE THOSE STEPS.

WELL, GREAT. I'M GLAD THAT THERE'S SOME TOOLKITS AND I'M SURE DISAPPEARING CARS WILL GET COMPLIANCE PRETTY QUICKLY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I JUST HAD A COUPLE.

SO IN THE MEMO TALKED ABOUT WAS IT UNDER THE PARKING? YEAH. THAT THERE WERE A FEW OTHER CHANGES TO THE PARKING BYLAW ABOUT CLERICAL CLERICAL CLARIFICATION, HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS. SO JUST WONDERING, WERE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE HIGHWAY TRAFFIC BYLAW OR WAS IT ALL IN THE PARKING BYLAW, WHICH IS A NEW BYLAW? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.

MINIMAL CHANGES TO THE HIGHWAY TRAFFIC.

I'LL ASK MS.. THISTLE TO EXPAND.

YEAH. THERE IS NOTHING BIG CHANGE IN THE HIGHWAY TRAFFIC BYLAW FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.

ONE, WE REALLY WERE FOCUSING ON AMPS AND GETTING THE PARKING BYLAW ESTABLISHED.

ANOTHER IS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE HIGHWAY TRAFFIC BYLAW, IT ALMOST MIMICS THE MOTOR VEHICLES ACT, MANY OF THE SECTIONS.

AND SO THERE'S NEVER REALLY A CHANGE OR OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE THE HIGHWAY TRAFFIC BYLAW UNLESS THERE'S ONE TO THE MOTOR VEHICLE ACT.

SO A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE WOULD BE LIKE WHEN CELL PHONES CAME IN AND THEN WE HAD TO CHANGE THE HIGHWAY TRAFFIC BYLAW FOR THAT.

THE CHANGES TO THE HIGHWAY TRAFFIC BYLAW WERE SIMILAR IN NATURE.

JUST MINOR CHANGES LIKE THE SCHEDULES WAS ONE OF THE BIGGER CHANGES.

WE'RE HAPPY TO NOTE ANYTHING, BUT WE DIDN'T.

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SIGNAGE IN THE BILAT ACTUALLY SAID IT MUST BE READ ON WEIGHT AND IN THIS KIND OF LETTERING. AND WE ACTUALLY LOST A TICKET BECAUSE SOMEONE GOT A TICKET AND TOWED.

AND THEN THEY SAID, BUT IT WAS BLUE AND IT'S LIKE, OH MY GOD, WHY DO WE GET THAT PRESCRIPTIVE? AND SO WE MADE CHANGES LIKE THAT JUST TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR US, EASIER FOR AN ADJUDICATOR OR A SCREENING OFFICER.

OKAY. MY OTHER BIG QUESTIONS IS ABOUT THE GROUNDS FOR REDUCTION OF ADMINISTRATIVE PENALTIES. SO IN THE BYLAWS, SECTION THREE, B AND C AND IT TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A SCREENING OFFICER MAY REDUCE THE AMOUNT IF THE OWNER CAN SHOW THAT THE CONTRAVENTION WAS A RESULT OF A MINOR MEDICAL EMERGENCY AND THEN C IS ABOUT CAN SHOW THAT THE PERSON WAS UNDERGOING A PERSONAL TRAGEDY.

AND I JUST FEEL LIKE THOSE MUST BE REALLY BIG GRAY ZONES THAT WE'RE INTRODUCING AND SO WONDERING WHY WHY WE'RE INCLUDING THAT AND WHETHER THOSE ARE TYPICAL IN OTHER BYLAWS.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT ES THISTLE.

THANKS. YEAH, GREAT QUESTIONS.

THEY ARE FOUND IN OTHER BYLAWS.

THE REASON WE'VE INCLUDED THEM IS BECAUSE THEY CAN TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES WE HAVE SOMEBODY COME TO COURT OR MISS COURT AND THEN CALL US AFTER THEY GET CONVICTED AND SAY, OH, BUT I WAS AT THE HOSPITAL OR I WAS SICK OR ON THE WAY THERE.

MY CAR BROKE DOWN, OR SOMEONE IN MY FAMILY DIED AND I HAD TO GO TO THE FUNERAL.

AND WE DON'T IF WE DON'T HAVE SECTIONS IN THERE THAT REALLY GIVE SOMEONE THE AUTHORITY TO CHANGE A TICKET ON THAT BASIS, THEY CAN'T REALLY DO THAT.

SO WE ALWAYS ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GET TO US BEFOREHAND, LIKE CALL US BEFORE.

BUT SOMETIMES IT HAPPENS THE DAY OF AND THE LAST THING SOMEONE'S THINKING OF ON THE DAY OF OR THE DAY BEFORE, IF, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD A PERSONAL TRAGEDY IS OVER, CALL ME AND TELL THEM I'M NOT GOING TO BE AT MY PARKING TICKET TRIAL.

SO IT GIVES US THAT LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY.

THEY ARE GRAY AREAS.

AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE WE'VE RECOMMENDED THAT A SCREENING OFFICERS BE LIMITED TO THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SAFETY OR THE MANAGER, BECAUSE WE FEEL THOSE POSITIONS ARE WELL EQUIPPED TO TAKE THE CHECKLIST TO WORK WITHIN THAT GRAY AREA AND MAKE LEGITIMATE DECISIONS THAT WOULD BE UPHELD IF IT GOES FURTHER TO A SCREENING OFFICER OR NOT.

SO WE'VE PURPOSELY LEFT IT A BIT GRAY TO GIVE THE PUBLIC THAT FLEXIBILITY, THAT WHEN THEY COME FOR US TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO GRANT THEIR REQUEST, IF WE BELIEVE I MEAN, SOMETIMES WE ASK FOR PROOF, SOMETIMES WE DON'T.

SOMETIMES IT'S KNOWN IN THE COMMUNITY, SOMETIMES IT'S NOT SO.

BUT IT'S OFTEN WHAT WE HEAR WHEN SOMEONE MISSES A COURT DATE IS I WAS AT THE HOSPITAL OR SOMEONE DIED OR I HAD A FAMILY EMERGENCY.

AND THEN WE'RE LIKE, WELL, SORRY, BUT THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO.

YEAH, THANKS. IT SOUNDS, THOUGH, THAT LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO GET A REDUCTION BECAUSE THEIR PARKING INFRACTION OCCURRED DURING A PERSONAL TRAGEDY.

SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THAT.

BUT THEN WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE PARKING WILLY NILLY AND HAVING THAT PUBLIC PUBLIC RISK DURING A FUNERAL. SO, YEAH, JUST WONDERING WHETHER WE WANT THAT GRAY AREA WHEN SOMEBODY HAS A PARKING INFRACTION AND WHETHER THERE'S I DON'T I GUESS IT'S JUST THERE'S ALWAYS GRAY AREAS AND WE WANT TO INCLUDE THAT.

BUT YEAH, I GUESS IT'S THEY CAN AS LONG AS IT'S STILL IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST TO REDUCE IT IS THE THE WORDING BUT MS. BASSI-KELLETT BECAUSE ANY COMMENTS ON HAVING A PARKING INFRACTION DURING THOSE TIMES.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. MS..

THISTLE. YEAH, IT COULD EVEN BE SOMEONE'S AT THE MEDICAL CLINIC AND THEIR APPOINTMENT GOES DOUBLE THE TIME BECAUSE FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEIR ISSUE IS MORE COMPLICATED AND THEY GET A TICKET.

MAYBE THEY COME AND ASK FOR A REDUCTION OR FOR THEIR TICKET TO BE CHANGED.

AGAIN, IT WOULD BE UP TO THE SCREENING OFFICER.

IS THAT A LEGITIMATE REQUEST OR NOT? MAYBE NOT. IN SOME PLACES YOU HAVE TO PAY AT THE HOSPITAL FOR PARKING METERS.

YOU CAN REALLY SEE WHERE AT A HOSPITAL.

IF YOU'VE GOT A PARKING, IT MIGHT BE LIKE, OH MY GOD, YOU KNOW, I DROVE IN TO EMERGENCY WITH MY KID. I DIDN'T PLUG THE METER SO THERE COULD BE SITUATIONS.

BUT AGAIN, THE SCREENING OFFICER IS GOING TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.

WE REALLY DON'T SEE A LARGE AMOUNT OF REQUESTS COMING IN BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE JUST GOING TO GET THEIR NOTICE AND THEY HAVE TO ACTUALLY CALL THIS AND SAY, I DON'T AGREE, I WANT TO FIGHT WITH IT. AND THEN THEY'D HAVE TO SAY, THIS IS WHY.

AND USUALLY IF PEOPLE TAKE THOSE STEPS AND CALL US TO SAY THERE WAS A REASON, OFTEN THERE WAS A REASON AND WE WOULD BE WILLING TO CONSIDER IT.

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SURE, WE CAN DISCUSS AT A FUTURE DATE.

I DID HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT THE THE HIGHWAYS BYLAW, BUT IF WE'RE KIND OF JUST COPY PASTE WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, THE ONLY ONE THAT I WAS WONDERING SINCE WE ARE UPDATING IT IS ABOUT SIDEWALK CLEANING AND THE CITY MANAGER SHALL PUBLISH A LOCAL NEWSPAPER OUTLINING THE. BY LAW ON THE ON OR BEFORE THE FIRST DAY OF MAY.

I DON'T REALLY REMEMBER SEEING ANY OF THOSE, BUT I'M SURE IT HAPPENS.

AND JUST WONDERING IF WE CAN REMOVE THE NEWSPAPER REFERENCE OR WHETHER IT'S ACTUALLY WRITTEN INTO THE HIGHWAY LEGISLATION? MS. BASSI-KELLETT MS..

THISTLE YEAH, WE CAN DEFINITELY AMEND IT THAT TO SAY PUBLIC NOTICE.

THE CTB ACT DEFINES WHAT PUBLIC NOTICES AND THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO IT.

THE MOTOR VEHICLE ACT DOESN'T SPECIFY, SO WE CAN CHANGE THAT TO SAY THE CITY MANAGER WILL GIVE PUBLIC NOTICE ON OR BEFORE MAY 1ST.

WE DO DO THAT AND WE DO ISSUE TICKETS.

IT'S REALLY HOW WE GET PEOPLE TO HOW WE ENSURE PEOPLE CLEAR THE GRAVEL OFF THEIR SIDEWALKS AND WE OFTEN GET COMPLAINTS WHEN IT'S NOT DONE.

SO THAT IS ONE FOR SURE.

THANKS. YEAH. AND I KNOW WE WE UPDATED OUR ZONING BYLAW BECAUSE WE USED TO BE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT IT. IT HAS TO BE THE NEWSPAPER, BUT THERE'S SO MANY OTHER DIFFERENT WAYS WE CAN COMMUNICATE. SO APPRECIATE THAT.

THAT WAS IT FOR ME.

YEAH. I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT'S GONE INTO THIS AND IT SOUNDS LIKE QUITE THE TIME SAVER GOING FORWARD.

I'M SURE THE JUSTICE SYSTEM WILL ALSO THANK US FOR THIS.

THEY'RE PROBABLY WATCHING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I SENT THEM THE LINK.

BUT YEAH, WE GET ASKED ON A REGULAR BASIS WHEN THIS IS HAPPENING.

THE OTHER FLIP SIDE TO THIS IS JUST A LITTLE TIDBIT OF INFORMATION.

EVERY TIME WE HAVE A TRIAL UNDER THE EVIDENCE ACT, WE HAVE TO SUPPLY A CERTIFIED COPY OF THE HIGHWAY TRAFFIC BYLAW.

THE EVIDENCE ACT DOESN'T RECOGNIZE OUR BYLAW IS THE SAME AS TERRITORIAL LEGISLATION, SO EVERY TIME WE HAVE A TRIAL, WE HAVE TO SUBMIT A CERTIFIED COPY OF THE HIGHWAY TRAFFIC BYLAW. SO DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH PAPERWORK IS OVER AT THE COURTHOUSE? SO THEY HAVE BEEN ANXIOUSLY AWAITING THIS TO HAPPEN ONE FOR COURT TIME AND TO JUST LIKE LOGISTICS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN QUITE CUMBERSOME.

SO, YEAH, EVERYBODY'S EXCITED TO SEE THIS FINALLY COMING TO FRUITION.

PERFECT. I'M GLAD THE TREES WILL THANK US TOO FOR THIS NEXT ONE.

SO WE WILL BRING THIS FORWARD TO OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS MONDAY, APRIL 11TH, AT 7:00 PM. NEXT ON THE AGENDA, WE HAVE A MEMORANDUM REGARDING CONSENT REGARDING CONSIDERATIONS

[A memorandum regarding considerations regarding a long term parking strategy for Old Town. ]

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.

WITH PLEASURE. PARKING IN OLD TOWN HAS BEEN A LONG STANDING CONCERN FOR THE CITY AND FOR MANY RESIDENTS OF OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL.

AND PRIMARILY THE REASON THAT THE CITY IS SO CONCERNED ABOUT THIS IS FOR SAFETY REASONS.

GIVEN THAT NARROW ROADS CAN BE A BIG CHALLENGE FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES, PARTICULARLY FIRE TRUCKS, TO BE ABLE TO NAVIGATE, AND ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S A LOT OF VEHICLES PARKED ALONGSIDE THESE NARROW ROADS.

THE OTHER INTEREST, OF COURSE, IS YELLOWKNIFE CREWS THEMSELVES AND TOURISTS WANT TO VISIT RESTAURANTS AND SHOPS AND SITES IN THE OLD TOWN AREA.

AND WE OFTEN SEE PEOPLE PARKING CLOSE TO WHERE THEY WANT TO BE, BUT OFTEN THAT WILL BE IN A PLACE WHERE IT'S NOT IDEAL FOR THEM TO BE PARKING.

AND I THINK WE ALL WHEN WE GO THROUGH OLD TOWN, WE SEE CARS AND TRUCKS AND WE SEE BOAT TRAILERS, SKIDOO TRAILERS, RVS, TOUR BUSSES.

THEY'RE PARKED IN ALL SORTS OF PLACES IN OLD TOWN.

AND WE REALLY NEED TO MANAGE THIS SO THAT OLD TOWN ISN'T CONGESTED AND IT'S PAVING THE WAY FOR LOTS OF PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO USE AND ACCESS THIS SAFELY AND EASILY.

THE CITY DID OBTAIN A PARKING STUDY AND WE ARE PROPOSING A SERIES OF FOLLOW UP ACTIONS TO ADDRESS OLD TOWN PARKING IN OUR CURRENT CONTEXT.

AND A KEY PART OF THIS, OF COURSE, WILL BE AROUND THE PROACTIVE ENFORCEMENT, GIVEN SAFETY IS OUR NUMBER ONE INTEREST ON THIS.

SO WE HAVE A RANGE OF DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE BEING MADE TODAY TO GPC FOR CONSIDERATION AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE DISCUSSION ON THEM.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR KONGE, IF YOU WANT TO ASK YOUR QUESTIONS.

YEAH. THANK YOU. MAYORALTY.

SO I'M JUST GOT LOTS OF SCREENS OPEN HERE ON OUR RECOMMENDATION.

I BELIEVE IT'S C TO C INTRODUCE FORMALIZE FOR OUR CITY PARKING ADJACENT AUTO BODY STORAGE LOT AND THE WOOD YARD BREWPUB.

WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? MS. BASSI-KELLETT IS THAT THAT SECTION ON FRANKLIN NEAR THE THE FENCE.

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COUNCILOR CONGA. YES, IT IS.

IT'S THAT SECTION THAT IS BEING USED INFORMALLY NOW AS PARKING FOR FOLKS THAT WANT TO GO TO THE OLD TOWN BREWPUB TO GO TO THE DOWN TO EARTH GALLERY, THE GALLERY, THE MIDNIGHT SUN, SOME OF THE SHOPS AND LOCATIONS IN THAT AREA.

AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO FORMALIZE THIS AS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE USED FOR PARKING STARTING. WE WANT TO START ON THIS IDEALLY IN THIS YEAR.

THANK YOU. SO WOULD THAT BE LIKE A DRIVE IN KIND OF ANGLE PARKING OFF OF FRANKLIN AND THEN BACK OUT? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

WE'RE PROPOSING PARKING SIMILAR TO WHAT IS BEING DONE INFORMALLY NOW OR PEOPLE ARE TURNING IN 90 DEGREE PARKING.

I WILL ASK MS..

WHITE TO RESPOND TO THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE A DISCUSSIONS INTERNALLY ABOUT THE OPTIMAL LOCATIONS FOR PARKING THAT WILL ENABLE PEOPLE TO ACCESS THE WOODYARD AND SOME OF THE SHOPS AND RETAIL OUTLETS IN THAT AREA.

MS.. WHITE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

ITEM C, WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO DISCUSS HERE IS INTERNALLY AS WELL AS WITH THE LOCAL BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS, THERE'S TWO OPTIONS.

SO THERE IS, AS MS. BASSI-KELLETT HAD MENTIONED, THAT ANGLED PARKING WHICH COULD BE OFF OF FRANKLIN OR IT WOULD BE A PARALLEL ALONG THE SAME ROAD WHERE THE TWO NOTED BUSINESSES ARE LOCATED.

WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S CHALLENGES WITH BOTH.

THERE'S OPTIONS THAT WE DEFINITELY SHOULD BE LOOKING AT, ALL OF WHICH COULD BE IMPLEMENTED THIS YEAR.

SO WHILE THIS IS RECOMMENDING IN ITEM C, THE PARALLEL PARKING ADJACENT TO THOSE SITES THAT FRANKLIN STREET ANGLED PARKING IS STILL AN OPTION.

THANK YOU. AND WHAT IS THE PLAN TO YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE'S IF YOU LOOK AT HACKS, THEY HAVE THREE TITLED CITY LORDS THERE THAT THEY HAVE ALL FENCED IN.

THE ADDRESSES ARE ALL OFF OF FRANKLIN.

AND I GUESS THIS WOULD BE MY QUESTION.

IS THE CITY REQUIRED TO ENSURE THAT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE ACCESS OFF OF, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOUR ADDRESSES, WHATEVER, WHATEVER FRANKLIN AVENUE DO WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS ACCESS OFF OF FRANKLIN AVENUE FOR EACH OF THOSE LOTS? MS. BASSI-KELLETT I'LL ASK.

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OKAY.

OKAY. SORRY, COUNSELOR.

I BELIEVE YOU FINISHED YOUR QUESTION.

SO NOW IT'S OVER TO MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.

AND THANKS FOR THE QUESTION, COUNSELOR.

ABSOLUTELY. WE DO WANT TO SPEAK TO PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE AREA.

I BELIEVE WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO LET US KNOW THAT WE WERE BRINGING THIS FORWARD TODAY.

WE'LL CONTINUE, OF COURSE, WITH THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE BREWPUB AND WITH HEX.

THEY'VE BEEN VERY KEY PARTNERS WITH KEY INTERESTS IN THIS.

AND AGAIN, WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO KEEP IN MIND IS THE MAIN INTEREST THAT WE HAVE IN THIS IS TO ALLEVIATE THE CONGESTION SO THAT SAFETY VEHICLES AND EMERGENCY VEHICLES ARE ABLE TO ACCESS SOME OF THE NARROW STREETS IN OLD TOWN.

WE KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN A VERY BIG PRESSURE POINT AROUND THE BREWPUB.

THANK YOU.

SO IS THERE A WAY THAT THAT WE CAN PUT SOME WORDING IN THIS MEMO TO ENSURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY DOES REACH OUT AND COME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THAT.

YOU KNOW, LIKE, SURE, WE NEED PARKING.

COUNCIL HAD A GREAT RECOMMENDATION A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN WE WERE DOING THE ROAD DOWN THERE TO TAKE OUT A LITTLE BIT OF ROCK AND PUT SOME ANGLE PARKING IN THERE.

COUNCIL SAID, OH NO, THAT'S TOO DANGEROUS.

AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IS MORE OR LESS THE EXACT SAME THING.

SO IT'D BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF THE SAME COUNCILORS DECIDE THAT THIS IS TOO DANGEROUS OR OR WHAT THE DEAL IS. BUT, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN IS THAT WE TAKE, YOU KNOW, THREE INDIVIDUAL LOTS.

RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE ALL FENCED TOGETHER, BEING USED AS ONE PURPOSE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, AS AN OWNER, IF THEY'RE NOT AMALGAMATED TOGETHER, THEY COULD SELL EACH OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL LOTS OFF THEIR FRANKLIN AVENUE LOTS.

THEY COULD BE USED FOR ALL SORTS OF COOL AND INTERESTING THINGS.

BUT IF WE PUT IN THAT PARKING, THEY LOSE ACCESS OFF OF FRANKLIN.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT I DON'T THINK THE CITY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT.

SO HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT THAT THIS PARKING IS NOT DETRIMENTAL TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS? DO WE NEED TO ADD WARNING OR WHAT? WHAT CAN WE DO? MS. BASSI-KELLETT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE COMMENT.

AND THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE PART OF HOW WE DO OUR BUSINESS.

WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT DEVELOPING PARKING IN THIS AREA, WE WILL WANT TO TALK TO NEIGHBORS, TO PROPERTY OWNERS WHO ARE A DRAW IN THE AREA TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE

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I'LL SEE IF MISS WHITE HAS ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION AND EXACTLY THIS SITE THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING TO, COUNCILOR KONGA, IS ONE OF THESE OPTIONS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING.

SO IT'S EITHER.

YES, AS YOU MENTIONED, THE PARALLEL PARKING IN FRONT OF POTENTIALLY A NUMBER OF LOTS ON THAT STREET OR LOOKING AT THAT ACROSS THE STREET OPTION, IT WOULD REQUIRE, YES, CONVERSATIONS AND CONSULTATION.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE BUILT INTO OUR PROCESS AND WE'RE HAPPY TO DO BECAUSE THIS IS AN IMMEDIATE NEED.

UNDERSTANDING SOME OF THE OTHER MOVING PARTS THAT ARE OCCURRING AS OUTLINED IN SOME OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, IF WE LOOK AT THE DATES.

SO IT'S OF IMPORTANCE THAT WE INITIATE THIS SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

THANK YOU. SEE MY CONCERN WHEN WE APPROVE IT IS HOW TO HOW THOSE COUNSEL GET KEPT IN A LIVE. YOU KNOW, LIKE I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN THE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT THAT HAX APPLIED FOR.

I'VE SEEN THE RESPONSE THAT THEY GOT BACK FROM THE CITY.

I'M FRANKLY CONCERNED THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, IF COUNCIL APPROVES THIS, THAT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS IS NOT GOING TO BE ADVANTAGEOUS TO THE ADJACENT LANDOWNER.

SO HOW DOES COUNCIL STAY IN THE LOOP, HOW TO ENSURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT EVERYBODY YOU KNOW IS GOING TO BE I'M LOOKING FOR A GOOD DEAL HERE.

AND WHEN I SAY A GOOD DEAL, THAT MEANS THAT EVERYBODY LEAVES WISHING THEY COULD HAVE GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE. SO THAT'S A GOOD DEAL.

NOT EVERYBODY GOT WHAT THEY WANTED.

SO HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT THAT HAPPENS? MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE WHERE COUNCILOR KONGA IS COMING FROM AND WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MEETING ALL THE INTERESTS IN THE AREA.

SO WE OF COURSE HAVE THE INTEREST OF SAFETY IN OLD TOWN.

WE'VE GOT THE INTEREST OF MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE CREATING AREAS FOR PARKING WHERE PEOPLE ARE REALLY CLEAR THAT, YEAH, THIS IS A GOOD AREA TO PARK OR NO, DON'T PARK THERE BECAUSE IT'S BLOCKING SOMEONE'S ACCESS TO THEIR PROPERTY OR IT'S BLOCKING ACCESS FOR AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE ON A NARROW STREET.

I GUESS WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT YOU NEED TO RELY ON US IN ADMINISTRATION TO DO OUR JOBS AND REPORT BACK AS IS APPROPRIATE.

BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE INTERESTS ACROSS THE BOARD AND WE REALLY ARE ASPIRING TO MEET ALL OF THOSE TOGETHER.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

I GUESS I'LL SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY COMMENT.

YEAH. SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY COMMENTS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

COULD BE SOMETHING.

AMENDING THAT MOTION FOLLOWING THE APPROVAL OF OWNERS OF LOT 18, 19 AND 20 INTRODUCED FORMALIZED FOR OUR CITY PARKING.

ADJACENT TO THOSE LOTS.

THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING FOR US TO CONSIDER.

COUNCILOR WILLIAMS. YEAH, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

YES, CERTAINLY HAVE SOME SIMILAR CONCERNS AS COUNCILOR OKWONGA RAISED IN REGARDS TO THOSE LOTS. YOU KNOW, I WHEN HE ASKED FOR SOLUTIONS ON THAT, CERTAINLY SEE THAT ONE OF THE SOLUTIONS COULD BE JUST THE REMOVAL OF C FROM THE MEMO BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD IN ESSENCE ERASE THAT PARKING IN FRONT OF THOSE SLOTS.

YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY IS SORT OF SEEING THIS OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN CLASSICALLY ACCESSING THESE LOTS IN THIS MANNER.

BUT CERTAINLY I THINK THAT THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME PLANS THAT THE LANDOWNER HAS.

AND HAVING THAT OPTION TO ACCESS THAT LOT FROM FRANKLIN AVENUE, I THINK IS IS COMPLETELY REASONABLE. I'VE GOT JUST A COUPLE OF OTHER QUESTIONS, JUST ABOUT OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THAT MAY HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED AND MAY NOT HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED.

SO CERTAINLY ON LETTER B, WHERE IT SAYS REMOVE BRUSH AND ENHANCEMENTS ON ROAD SHOULDERS TO IMPROVE EXISTING STREET SIDE PARKING AREAS.

YOU KNOW, IS THIS DISCUSSING SOME OF THAT AREA KIND OF WHERE BRYSON TERMINATES TO FRANKLIN? THERE'S A GREEN SPACE THAT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE ROAD AND LOOKS LIKE A BIT OF A TRIANGULAR CUTOUT OR LOT THAT YOU CAN SEE SORT OF ON CITY EXPLORER, I GUESS.

I HAVEN'T GONE IN AND WALKED IT IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS, BUT ARE CLEARING AREAS LIKE THAT. ONE EXAMPLE OF B IS I GUESS WHERE I'LL START MS. BASSI-KELLETT. I'LL ASK MISS WHITE TO RESPOND.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND SO, YES, BUT TO PROVIDE GREATER DETAIL, I DO BELIEVE MITCHELL ROWLAND HAS BEEN OUT ON THOSE STREETS AND SITES LOOKING AT THOSE AREAS.

MAYBE HE COULD PROVIDE MORE DETAILED ANSWER.

THANK YOU.

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SO I WAS OUT THERE PROBABLY A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND ALSO INVOLVED IN THE MEETINGS PRIOR TO THIS MEMO COMING FORWARD.

I THINK THAT THAT LINE BE THERE OR SORT OF BE IT'S MORE IN THE SPIRIT OF, YOU KNOW, ALONG CERTAIN ROADS AND LIKE IN PARTICULAR BRYCE AND DRIVE IS ONE OF THEM.

THERE'S, THERE'S BRUSH OVERHANGING ONTO THE ROAD FROM ADJACENT PROPERTIES.

SO IT'D BE LOOKING AT CLEARING OUT THAT ALSO ON CITY OWNED LAND AS WELL.

BUT THEN ALSO KIND OF HOW WE CAN IMPROVE SIGHTLINES IMPROVE.

HOW THIS THESE AREAS ARE ACCESSED AND WITH MINIMAL INFRASTRUCTURE KIND OF CHANGES AND STUFF AS WELL. GREAT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. I GUESS I AM.

MAYBE I'LL CALL IT OUT SPECIFICALLY, BUT.

SO THE THE GREEN SPACES THAT ARE KIND OF ACROSS THE STREET ON FRANKLIN AVENUE, ACROSS FROM, SAY, BRYSON AND WHERE THE BREWPUB IS, ARE THOSE AREAS GOING TO BE CONSIDERED FOR PARKING IN THIS PLAN AS IT READS? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. I WILL ASK MS..

WHITE TO RESPOND. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

SO AT THIS TIME, NO.

BUT THAT BEING SAID, AS YOU SEE IN THE MEMO, THERE IS AN OUTLINE OF FURTHER STUDY AND REVIEW THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

SO AGAIN, BASED ON WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE SCHOOL DROP PARKING LOT OVER TIME, ONCE THAT LIFT STATION IS UPGRADED AND FORMAL PARKING IS PUT IN THERE, AND THEN WE ACTUALLY DO KIND OF A REVIVAL, HOPEFULLY TOURISM IS BACK.

IT'S BUSTLING DOWN THERE.

WE NEED ALL OF THAT DATA BEFORE WE CAN SAY YES, WE NOW NEED TO GO INTO GREEN SPACE.

RIGHT NOW, THE ANSWER IS NO.

MM HMM. HOWEVER, WE'LL HAVE TO REEVALUATE, SAY, IN THREE YEARS.

YEAH. THANK YOU.

YEAH. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

YEAH, I KIND OF READ IT THAT WAY, TOO, SO THAT'S.

THAT'S WHY I ASK THE QUESTION.

TO ME, IT SORT OF SEEMED LIKE WE WERE SORT OF TAKING THE EASIER PATH THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE INCONVENIENT FOR A LOCAL BUSINESS OWNER THEN DOING SOME OF THE WORK TO CLEAR SOME OF THE AREA TO PICK A MORE PERMANENT SOLUTION.

THE PROBLEM THAT I HAVE WITH THAT IS THAT ONCE THAT PARKING IS ESTABLISHED IN FRONT OF THAT BUSINESS OWNER, THAT REALLY SOLIDIFIES WHAT THAT PLAN IS FOR, SAY, THE NEXT DECADE OR SO. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO HAVE A REAL TOUGH TIME SUPPORTING THIS MEMO, THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN WITH SEE IN THERE.

OTHER THING I'LL JUST DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO AND I'M SURE THAT ADMINISTRATIONS, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE READ IT MORE AND AND PROBABLY MORE DEPTH THAN I HAVE.

BUT THE PARKING STUDY THAT WAS THERE, THERE REALLY WAS NO MENTION OF THAT AREA THAT WAS IN FRONT OF HACK'S AUTO BODY.

SO WHEN WE CALL OUT, YOU KNOW THAT THIS MEMO IS BASED ON THIS PARKING STUDY THAT WAS DONE. YOU KNOW, THE PARKING STUDY DEFINITELY DID NOT HIGHLIGHT THAT.

WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT EXTRA ZONES, THEY REALLY FOCUSED IN ON THE SCHOOL DRAW AREA, THAT SCHOOL DRAW PARKING LOT THAT WAS AT THE BACK SIDE THERE.

AND, YOU KNOW, I CAN AGREE WITH THAT.

SO CERTAINLY I'M HOPING THAT THE REST OF MY COLLEAGUES CAN SORT OF SEE SOME REASONABILITY HERE AS WELL WITH SORT OF JUST, YOU KNOW, LEAVING A BUSINESS OWNER WITH NO ACCESS TO, YOU KNOW, THE PRIME AVENUE IN TOWN.

AND THOSE LOTS ARE, YOU KNOW, INCREDIBLY MARKETABLE.

AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND WE WE DO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, LIKE TOURISM BUSINESS COMING BACK ON ONLINE, WE'RE GOING TO BE HANDCUFFING SOMEBODY WITH SOME REALLY GREAT DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES.

AND YEAH, THEY MAY NOT HAVE DEVELOPED YET, BUT THERE ARE CERTAINLY INDICATIONS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO SO.

AND WHETHER THEY DO OR WHETHER THEY DON'T, I BELIEVE THAT THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THEIR LOTS THROUGH FRANKLIN AVENUE.

SO, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT SOME RETOOLING ON SEE, I WON'T BE IN SUPPORT OF IT, BUT THE REST OF IT LOOKS REALLY GREAT. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, LOOKING ACROSS THE STREET TO SOME OF THOSE GREEN SPACES IS AN AMAZING OPPORTUNITY.

IT'S ALSO DOESN'T CONFLICT WITH ANY OTHER BUSINESSES OR ANY OTHER RESIDENCES.

I'M SURE THE PEOPLE, THE RESIDENTS OF BRYSON AVENUE, YOU KNOW, WOULD APPRECIATE MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LESS TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD ON A SATURDAY NIGHT, YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE SOME PARKING ACROSS THE STREET ON FRANKLIN COULD ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT.

SO CERTAINLY DON'T ALL ALSO WANT TO PUT ALL THE PRESSURE ON, YOU KNOW, BRYSON AND HAMILTON AS WELL DOWN THERE.

SO, SO HOPING THAT WITH SOME OF THESE COMMENTS, ADMINISTRATION CAN COME SOME OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU. SO YOU WOULD SUPPORT IT IF WE REMOVE SEE? YEP. OR POSSIBLY AMEND IT TO SAY SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF.

THAT ADMINISTRATION WORKED WITH THE OWNERS OF LOTS 18, 19 AND 20 TO DEVELOP A PLAN TO INTRODUCE FORMALIZED OR I GUESS MAYBE A LITTLE STRONGER WORDING THAN THAT, MAINTAINING ACCESS FOR THE LANDOWNER TO FRANKLIN AVENUE.

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THE OTHER THING, TOO, IS, IS THAT AS MUCH AS YOU KNOW, THESE ARE OBVIOUSLY FRANKLIN AVENUE LOTS AND SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, THE LANDOWNER WANTS TO MAYBE SELL THE MIDDLE LOT AND KEEP THE LEFT AND RIGHT LOT.

YOU KNOW, THE ABILITY FOR THEM TO DO SO OR TO DEVELOP THESE LOTS, HOW THEY SEE FIT IS WHAT IT WOULD BE. I FEEL LIKE THE SUGGESTION OF JUST SORT OF UNDER THE ENDORSEMENT OF THE LANDOWNER IS A LITTLE SOFTER THAN SAYING MAINTAINING ACCESS FOR THOSE LOTS TO HAVE A RIGHT AND ACCESS TO FRANKLIN AVENUE BECAUSE HOW ELSE WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO CONTINUE LIKE A BUSINESS OPERATION? WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TYPE OF BUSINESS COULD POTENTIALLY BE GOING IN THERE.

SO HAVING THEM HAVE ACCESS TO THE STREET THAT THEY HAVE AN ADDRESS ON IS WHAT I SEE AS AS BEING FIT. BUT YES, MADAM MAYOR, I COULD CERTAINLY COME AROUND TO IT AS LONG AS THE ISSUES WITH ACCESS TO THOSE LOTS WERE RESOLVED.

I APPRECIATE THAT. GOT GOT WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.

ANYTHING FURTHER FROM COUNCILOR MORGAN? THANKS, MADAM CHAIR. SO I HAD A FEW QUESTIONS PREPARED OF MY OWN, BUT I WANTED TO JUST FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THE LINE OF QUESTIONING THAT THE TWO PREVIOUS COUNCILORS HAVE BROUGHT UP. SO THIS WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS.

UH. FLAGGED FOR ME AHEAD OF TIME.

AND SO I'M TRYING TO CATCH UP AND UNDERSTAND WHAT WHAT THE CONCERNS ARE, ISSUES ARE.

CAN I GET CLARIFICATION FROM ADMINISTRATION THAT THE AREAS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED FOR NEW CITY PARKING THAT SO THAT'S WITHIN THE CITY RIGHT OF WAY OR IS IT A CITY OWNED LOT OR OR DOES IT CROSS OVER ONTO A PRIVATE PROPERTY OR LIKE WHY WOULD WE PROPOSE PUTTING PARKING THERE IF WE'RE BLOCKING? ACCESS TO A PRIVATE LANDOWNERS LOT.

CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY THAT THAT IT IS CITY RIGHT OF WAY? MS. BASSI-KELLETT. IT IS IN THE LAST.

MS.. WHITE, TO ELABORATE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND AGAIN, I DON'T I DON'T LIKE TO SPEAK TO INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES WHEN THERE'S NO APPLICATION.

HOWEVER, I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THERE IS A LANEWAY WHERE THERE IS ACCESS WITH ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE SPEAKING TO, THE PARKING PROPOSED.

AGAIN, IT'S SHORT TERM.

WE'RE LOOKING AT A WAY TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS IN THE SHORT TERM. WE KNOW WE HAVE SOME CHANGES COMING AT THAT CORNER JUST DOWN WHEN WE'RE TALKING SCHOOL DRAW. SO THIS WILL BE SHORT TERM.

SEE HOW THIS PLAYS OUT ONCE WE GET THE NEW PARKING LOT.

SCHOOL DRAW AREA MAY HAVE SOME CHANGES.

AGAIN, CAN'T SPEAK TO IT UNTIL WE DO AN ACTUAL STUDY.

SO THE PARKING STUDY IS TO COME.

THAT'S WHAT WE DID NOW IS JUST AN EMERGENCY CIRCULATION REVIEW OF THE AREA.

SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FACILITATE IN THE SHORT TERM HOW TO MAKE SURE NOT JUST THE SUBJECT PARCEL WE'RE SPEAKING TO HERE, BUT ALL OF THE PARCELS IN THE AREA HAVE THAT EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS.

THE PARKING WILL COME AT A LATER TIME.

SO THERE IS MY UNDERSTANDING, ACCESS TO THIS SPECIFIC SITE OFF OF THAT LANEWAY ADJACENT TO THEIR LOT. WE WOULD NEVER GO OUT OF OUR WAY TO BLOCK SOMEONE'S ACCESS.

THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS IS ACTUALLY TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE EMERGENCY ACCESS TO THE SITE.

SO SHORT TERM AND THEN LONGER TERM, AND I HOPE WE'VE LAID THAT OUT, YOU'LL SEE THE YEARS BESIDE EACH OF THOSE PIECES IN THE RECOMMENDATION.

SO HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.

THANK YOU. YEAH.

AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND DIFFERENT SCENARIOS HERE IF.

AND WHAT OTHER COUNCILORS, I GUESS, ARE PROPOSING INSTEAD IF.

IF THE IDEA IS THAT THE LANDOWNER WANTS MORE OPTIONS TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE SITE, BUT CURRENTLY IT'S CITY OWNED LAND.

ARE THEY PROPOSING THAT THEY WOULD? LIKE. BE TRANSFERRED OWNERSHIP IN THE FUTURE OF THAT CITY OWNED LANDS, OR THAT THE CITY OWNED LAND JUST STAYS EMPTY INDEFINITELY.

I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE WOULD NOT USE CITY OWNED LAND FOR A PURPOSE THAT IS A PUBLIC PURPOSE.

BECAUSE A PRIVATE LANDOWNER NEXT DOOR FEELS THAT CRAMPS WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THEIR LIFE.

I JUST DON'T SEE HOW WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN OURSELVES IN A SITUATION WHERE WE WOULD NOT PROVIDE SOMETHING TO THE PUBLIC THAT SERVES A PUBLIC PURPOSE.

I THINK THE CHALLENGE.

SO THE CHALLENGE RIGHT NOW IS THAT THE ENTRANCE THAT THE OWNER IS USING FOR THESE THREE LOTS IS IN BETWEEN THESE LOTS AND HACKS.

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FOR EXAMPLE, LOT 3913 BECAUSE THEY HAVE THEIR DRIVEWAY GOING TO FRANKLIN.

SO THE QUESTION I THINK SOME COUNCILORS ARE ASKING IS HOW CAN WE BLOCK? POTENTIAL DRIVEWAYS FOR THREE LOTS SO THE NEED TO TO WORK WITH BUT THEN.

SO WHAT'S THE POINT OF THE CITY OWNING LAND THAT WE COULD NEVER DO ANYTHING WITH? WELL, IT'S LIKE A SIDEWALK, I GUESS.

YEAH. THAT'S THE ATLANTA IS THE ROAD RIGHT AWAY.

JUST LIKE EVERYBODY'S GOT A DRIVEWAY.

THEY WOULD HAVE A DRIVEWAY.

IT'S NOT THAT THEY CAN USE THIS LAND TO DEVELOP, BUT PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DRIVE OVER CITY LAND TO ACCESS THEIR PROPERTY.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT IS THAT A CORRECT WAY TO DESCRIBE IT? I'LL ASK MISS WHITE TO WEIGH IN ON THIS ONE.

BUT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO ACCESS THESE LOTS, INCLUDING THE ALLEYWAY THAT IS BEHIND. SO IT'S WHITE.

AND AS PART OF A DEVELOPMENT, THERE WOULD BE AN ENTRANCE PERMIT THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED.

WE WOULD LOOK AT IT IF THERE AND THIS ISN'T THE ONLY SITE WITHIN ALL OF THE MUNICIPALITY WHERE WE HAVE PARKING ALONG THE ROAD THAT WOULD BE EVALUATED AND OBVIOUSLY THE PARKING COULD BE ADJUSTED IF AN ENTRANCE TO A SITE WAS CONDUCIVE TO THAT DEVELOPMENT.

RIGHT. SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE PUT PARKING AND THEN THAT'S IT FOR THE NEXT HUNDRED YEARS, RIGHT? WE NEED TO HAVE THOSE CONSIDERATIONS WHEN WE REVIEW DEVELOPMENT PERMITS.

THANK YOU. I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO MYSELF GET TOO FAR INTO THE WEEDS HERE.

I WANTED TO TRY TO SORT OF STEP BACK A BIT AND AND.

MAKE SURE WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE.

I MEAN, WHEN I READ THROUGH THE THE STUDY IN THE BACKGROUND.

WELL, TO ME, THE BIGGEST, MOST URGENT PROBLEM HERE, AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED, IS EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS, SAFETY.

AND THE FACT THAT BECAUSE OF A.

YOU KNOW, INCREASED COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY, BUSINESSES, THINGS HAPPENING ALL THE TIME, WHICH IS A GOOD THING. WE HAVE PEOPLE COMING AND OFTEN LIKE PARKING IN FRONT OF OTHER PEOPLE'S DRIVEWAYS AND PARKING IN ILLEGAL PLACES.

AND WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THE PLACE SAFER.

STILL WELCOMING TO TOURISTS AND BUSINESSES ABLE TO OPERATE BUT SAFE, AND THAT RESIDENTS DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR OWN PROPERTIES.

AND SO WHATEVER WE DO, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE. SO WHEN I THINK ABOUT INTRODUCING NEW SORT OF METERED SPOTS OR PAID SPOTS, THE QUESTION IN MY HEAD IS IF IF WE INTRODUCE PLACES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE TO PAY TO PARK, PEOPLE ARE NATURALLY GOING TO TRY TO FIND SOMEWHERE ELSE TO PARK NEARBY WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY. SO WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL THAT IN THE HOPES OF CREATING NEW SORT OF FORMALIZED SPOTS, BUT IF WE MAKE PEOPLE PAY THERE, WE'RE ACTUALLY STILL FEEDING INTO THE PROBLEM BY THEN, JUST ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO GO PARK INFORMALLY AND OTHER PLACES THAT WE DON'T WANT THEM TO PARK. AND I DON'T THINK THE MAJOR GOAL HERE IS TO MAKE MORE MONEY FOR THE CITY IN TERMS OF PARKING METER FEES OR WHATEVER.

I WAS ALSO CONFUSED BY THE FOCUS IN THE STUDY THAT WAS ATTACHED TO A RESIDENTIAL PARKING PASS PROGRAM AND THE EFFORT THAT WAS PUT INTO DOING SORT OF CASE STUDIES FROM OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AS TO HOW THIS WOULD WORK.

AND I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT.

PROBLEM THAT WAS GOING TO SOLVE IN THAT.

I DON'T THINK THE POINT WAS TO FIND MORE.

ON STREET PARKING FOR RESIDENTS.

AS I UNDERSTAND IT, I DIDN'T I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT FROM RESIDENTS IN THE AREA AND I DIDN'T SEE. LIKE EVIDENCE OF THAT IN THE STUDY AS TO WHY THAT WAS A PROBLEM THAT WE NEEDED TO FOCUS ON SOLVING.

BECAUSE, I MEAN, MOST PEOPLE HAVE DRIVEWAYS AND THEY CAN LIKE WE DON'T NEED TO CREATE MORE ON STREET PARKING FOR.

RESIDENCE AND AND IF THE POINT IS TO CREATE METERED ON STREET PARKING BUT THEN ALLOW RESIDENTS TO PARK THERE ANYWAY, AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE WHY WE'RE CREATING METERED ON STREET PARKING IN THE FIRST PLACE.

IF THE POINT IS JUST TO GET PEOPLE TO STOP PARKING IN PLACES THAT ARE BLOCKING EMERGENCY VEHICLES ANYWAY. SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN JUST STEP BACK AND REFOCUS ON WHAT IS THE PRIORITY HERE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO SOLVE.

SURE. I ASSUME IT'S BECAUSE IF YOU'VE BEEN TO, FOR EXAMPLE, VANCOUVER IN A LOT OF THE

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SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE SPILLOVER OF CERTAIN BUSINESSES INTO RESIDENTIAL AREAS MEANS THAT IT'S THERE'S NO ROOM FOR RESIDENTS OR THEIR GUESTS.

BUT MS. BASSI-KELLETT WAS THAT KIND OF THE THE IDEA THE OF TRYING TO LIMIT THE PARKING IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.

ABSOLUTELY IT IS. AND WE WANT TO LOOK AT OF COURSE.

COUNCILLOR CONGA. ARE YOU BACK WITH US? YES. AND WE THINK THE SOUNDS WORKING AGAIN.

IT IS PERFECT.

SO I WILL CALL OUR MEETING BACK TO ORDER AND COUNCILOR MORGAN.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? YES. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

I WANTED TO ASK WHERE.

WE WERE AT. I KNOW THAT ORIGINALLY THE BREWPUB HAD MADE ARRANGEMENTS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE OFFSITE PARKING AT THE OLD JOHNSONS BUILDING, SUPPLY BUILDING AND IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE

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I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T MONITOR THAT CLOSELY, BUT I WONDERED IF IF THAT IS BEING CONSIDERED IN THIS SORT OF PARKING STRATEGY OR IF WE'VE HAD ANY OPPORTUNITIES TO PERHAPS EVEN BRAINSTORM WITH THE BREW PUB, IF THERE ARE WAYS TO ENCOURAGE, IF THAT IS SUPPOSED TO OFFICIALLY BE THERE OFF SITE PARKING AND IT'S NOT WORKING, IF THERE ARE WAYS TO MAKE THAT A MORE EFFECTIVE ASPECT OF THIS STRATEGY.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.

YES, I KNOW THAT THERE IS SOME PARKING THAT IS PROVIDED BEHIND THE THE FORMER JOHNSON'S QUONSET. IT IS HARDLY EVER USED.

ANECDOTALLY, I CAN SPEAK TO DON'T SEE PEOPLE GOING THERE.

MUCH HUMAN NATURE SEEMS TO BE THAT GOSH, IF IT'S NOT EXACTLY WHERE I WANT IT TO BE, WHICH IS STEPS AWAY FROM THE DOOR, I'M GOING TO JUST FIND SOMETHING THAT'S MUCH FASTER.

IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE EXPLORE WITH THE WOOD YARD PUB TO SEE IF THEY CAN HELP WITH STRONGLY ENCOURAGING THEIR PATRONS TO BE USING THOSE SPACES AS WELL BECAUSE IT IS A SAFETY ISSUE.

THE UPSIDE IS WE WANT TO KEEP PEOPLE OFF OF SOME OF THOSE TIGHT, NARROW STREETS THAT ARE IN THE OLD TOWN AREA ADJACENT TO THOSE RETAIL OUTLETS.

SO CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PURSUE WITH THE OWNERS OF THE BREW PUB TO HELP THEM ENCOURAGE THEIR PATRONS.

OKAY. OKAY.

I MEAN, I, I THINK ADMINISTRATION HAS THE IDEA THAT.

YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES ARE AND HOW YOU INCENTIVIZE OR DISINCENTIVIZE PEOPLE FROM DOING VARIOUS THINGS.

AND THINK ABOUT IF WE TRY TO GET PEOPLE TO DO THIS, WHAT MIGHT THEY DO INSTEAD, JUST FOR EITHER CONVENIENCE SAKE, BECAUSE IT'S CLOSER OR BECAUSE IT'S LESS MONEY SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY OR. BUT I THINK WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO, AND I'M ENCOURAGED THAT THIS IS IN THE STRATEGY, IS MORE ENFORCEMENT FIRST AND FOREMOST OF WHERE THERE ARE SAFETY VIOLATIONS.

PEOPLE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE TO BE PENALIZED ENOUGH TIMES THAT THEY GET THE IDEA AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT AGAIN, THAT YOU CAN'T JUST PARK IN THE ALLEYWAY RIGHT BESIDE WHERE YOU WANT TO GO BECAUSE IT'S A SAFETY HAZARD.

I, I WAS WONDERING IT DID MENTION IN THE MEMO THAT THE MONEY TO ESTABLISH SOME NEW PARKING SPACES AND I WASN'T SURE IF THIS WAS THE SPACES PROPOSED IN FRONT OF THOSE SLOTS OR IF IT WAS THE SCHOOL DRAW LOT, BUT THAT IT WAS PROPOSED TO COST ABOUT $150,000.

AND THAT ALSO THAT PROCESS WAS SUPPOSED TO START IN 2022.

I WONDERED WHERE THAT MONEY WAS COMING FROM OR HOW THAT WAS THAT BUDGET WAS GOING TO BE ARRANGED. MS. BASSI-KELLETT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I'LL ASK MISS WHITE TO RESPOND.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

SO THE BUDGET ORIGINALLY CAME FROM AN ITEM IN 2017 AND SO SOME OF THE MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT TO DATE. SOME OF THE MONEY OBVIOUSLY HAS BEEN CARRIED OVER.

AS WE SAID BEFORE, THIS PROJECT, UNFORTUNATELY, WE KIND OF HAD TO PUT PART OF IT ON HOLD BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT HEALTH SITUATION.

BUT WE'RE HOPING, AS I SAID, THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS IN THE NEXT YEAR, STARTING THIS YEAR.

AND I KNOW WE CAN TALK TO SOME IDEAS ON THE ENFORCEMENT IN THE SHORT TERM.

YES, WE'RE LOOKING AT IN CONCERT WITH WHAT PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT WILL BE DOING AT THAT LIFT STATION. SOME THE SYSTEM HAS DETECTED THAT A FEW LINES ARE STILL CONNECTED TO THE CONFERENCE AND WILL ATTEMPT TO DISCONNECT THEM.

IF YOU WISH TO REMAIN IN THE CONFERENCE, PLEASE PRESS STAR 115.

I DON'T REMEMBER WHERE I WAS.

SORRY. I.

SO. YES, THE MONEY.

THANK YOU. SO THERE IS MONEY LEFT OVER FROM THAT ORIGINAL 2017 BUDGET, AND WE'LL BE WORKING WITH DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS SPENT.

OKAY, THANKS. AND THEN WHICH ALSO REMINDED ME OF A QUESTION AROUND PLANS AROUND THE SCHOOL DROP PARKING LOT.

SO I KNOW THIS WAS SORT OF A LONG SAGA THAT STRETCHED BACK A NUMBER OF YEARS.

ORIGINALLY, WE HAD ALLOCATED MONEY FOR GRADING, PAVING AND REARRANGEMENT AND THEN I THINK DECIDED THAT THAT ACTUALLY WASN'T ENOUGH MONEY AND IT CAME BACK TO COUNCIL.

AND THEN I MAYBE YOU CAN REMIND ME WHAT HAPPENED.

I THINK WE DIDN'T APPROVE THE ADDITIONAL AMOUNT.

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OR ARE WE AT THE POINT WHERE WE DON'T HAVE PLANS TO PAVE UNLESS NEW MONEY COMES FORWARD? JUST TO CLARIFY THAT THE MOTION WAS IN THE MOTION NUMBER 003 919.

SO IT'S TO SPEND SOME MONEY ON THE LIFT STATION, SITE MAINTENANCE, DO THE PARKING STRATEGY FOR OLD TOWN, AND THEN FOLLOWING THE COMPLETION OF THE LIFT STATION ASSESSMENT AND PARKING STRATEGY, RETURN TO COUNCIL FOR FURTHER DIRECTION.

OKAY, THAT'S GOOD NEWS.

I DID HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION BECAUSE I WAS CURIOUS WHY THE STUDY DIDN'T SEEM TO INCLUDE LATHAM ISLAND ANY STREETS THERE.

WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE MAPS OF THE ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE AROUND SAFETY AND EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS, IT DIDN'T EXTEND OVER THE CAUSEWAY ONTO LATHAM ISLAND.

I WONDERED WHY.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

I'M IMAGINING IT WAS THE ORIGINAL TERMS OF REFERENCE.

I'LL ASK MS.. WHITE IF SHE CAN SPEAK TO THIS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

YES. WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY LOOKED AT, THOSE WERE THE AREAS OF WHICH ALSO HAD THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF CONCERNS.

WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WHEN WE DID THAT EMERGENCY EVALUATION THAT WE WERE HITTING THE STREETS WHERE WE HAD IDENTIFIED THROUGH PREVIOUS REVIEW THAT THERE WAS CAUSE FOR CONCERN WILL BE THE TERMS THAT WE'LL USE.

SO THAT'S WHY IT WAS FOCUSED THERE.

WHEN WE DO GO TO INITIATE THAT BROADER PARKING STUDY, THEN I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE WHOLE OF THE AREA. BUT FOR THE EMERGENCY CIRCULATION, THOSE ARE THE STREETS THAT WERE CHOSEN. THANK YOU.

OKAY. THAT'S FAIR.

I GUESS IN CONCLUSION, I AM ENCOURAGED ABOUT MANY OF THE STEPS THAT ARE PROPOSED TO BE TAKEN HERE, AND I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE NOT WAITING ON THE SORT OF FINAL OLD TOWN PARKING STRATEGY AS A WHOLE TO GO AHEAD WITH SOME COMMON SENSE, URGENT MEASURES LIKE ENHANCING SIGNAGE. I MEAN, I GUESS I WOULD LIKE CLARIFICATION.

SO. WE'RE GOING TO BE RAMPING UP SIGNAGE, PUBLIC NOTIFICATIONS.

DOES THAT ALSO MEAN RAMPING UP ENFORCEMENT TO GO ALONG WITH THAT? MS. BASSI-KELLETT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

IT ABSOLUTELY DOES.

A FEW YEARS BACK, WE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH PEOPLE THAT WERE PARKING ON THE SIDEWALK ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF FRANKLIN WITH THEIR BOAT TRAILERS, AS OPPOSED TO TAKING THINGS DOWN TO THE SCHOOL DROP PARKING LOT.

IT FELT A LITTLE BIT WEIRD TO PUT NO PARKING SIGNS ON SIDEWALKS, BUT WE DID AT THE TIME.

AND HEIGHTENED ENFORCEMENT JUST TO REALLY REAFFIRM TO PEOPLE THAT THAT'S NOT A LEGIT PLACE TO PARK. SO WE WOULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT DOING THAT AS WELL, THIS TIME IN THE INTERIM. THANK YOU.

OKAY. THANKS FOR CONFIRMING THAT.

SO I WOULD I WOULD SUPPORT WHAT'S IN THE MEMO AND WOULD NEED SOME FURTHER INFORMATION BEFORE SUPPORTING REMOVING TO SEE AROUND.

WELL, AND MAYBE THERE WILL BE SOME SOME WORDING CHANGES AROUND THERE TO MAKE IT MORE APPEALING. BUT AT THIS POINT, I'M FINE WITH IT.

THANK YOU, COUNSELOR WILLIAMS. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO SORT OF, YOU KNOW, SLIGHTLY SOFTEN MY PREVIOUS POSITION BASED ON SOME OF THE ANSWERS THAT MS..

WHITE HAS PROVIDED FROM MY LAST SET OF COMMENTS.

JUST THE TEMPORARY NATURE OF THE PARKING IN FRONT OF THAT AREA COULD CERTAINLY GET SOME SOFTENING ON THE SEE CLAUSE.

I GUESS THE BIGGEST THING THAT I'D LIKE TO AVOID IS JUST THAT IF THAT PROPERTY OWNER WANTED TO DEVELOP AND WANTED TO ACCESS VIA FRANKLIN, THAT THERE WAS A PATH FORWARD TO DO SO AND THAT IT WOULDN'T HINDER THE MARKETABILITY OF THAT LOT FOR THE FUTURE.

RECOGNIZING THAT THERE IS SAFETY CONCERNS IN THAT AREA AND THAT THAT PARKING IS NEEDED AND AN ELEGANT SOLUTION FOR A TEMPORARY SOLUTION.

SO JUST YEAH, HOPEFULLY THE WORDING LIKE COUNCILOR MORGAN SAID, HOPEFULLY THE WORDING COMES, YOU KNOW, CHANGES A LITTLE BIT ON THAT AND YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AT COUNCIL NEXT WEEK.

THANKS SO MUCH. THANK YOU.

ANY COUNCILOR SMITH.

THANK YOU. I WANT TO REITERATE PRETTY MUCH WITH COUNCILOR MORGAN HAS SAID I'M PRETTY SATISFIED WITH THE MEMO THAT HAS COME FORWARD, NOTING THAT IT IS FOR A TEMPORARY SOLUTION, TEMPORARY AND LONGER TERM.

I'M HAPPY WITH THE MEMO GOING FORWARD.

THANK YOU FOR MYSELF.

I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT A WHICH IS INTRODUCTION OF PARKING, PERMISSIBLE SIGNAGE.

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NO PARKING IS ALLOWED THERE.

IS THAT THE IDEA OF MS. BASSI-KELLETT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YES, THAT'S EXACTLY IT.

I'LL ASK IF MS.. POITRAS HAS ANYTHING TO ADD.

THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

IT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

WE'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING UP SIGNS THAT TELL PEOPLE WHERE THEY CAN PARK AND AND AND RESTRICTING PARKING IN DIFFERENT AREAS AS WELL.

YEAH. FOR MYSELF I THINK WE CAN CLEAN UP THE WORDING ON TO SEE AND WHETHER IT'S THAT WE DIRECT ADMINISTRATION TO WORK WITH THE OWNERS OF THOSE LOTS TO DEVELOP A PLAN TO INTRODUCE A TEMPORARY 2022 TO 2020 FOR OR FOR OUR CITY PARKING ADJACENT TO THESE LOTS OR SOMETHING MORE GENERAL THAN ADMINISTRATION.

EXPLORE PARKING ON FRANKLIN BETWEEN SCHOOL DRAW AND BRETT'S BLUFF AND RETURN TO COUNCIL WITH SEEKING FURTHER DIRECTION IF THERE'S SUPPORT FROM COUNCIL AND ONE OF THOSE OR THE OTHER. COUNCILOR WILLIAMS. YEAH. I ALSO JUST DIDN'T WANT TO LOSE SIGHT OF THAT PARKING OR THAT OPPORTUNITY ACROSS THE STREET FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM ALL OF THIS AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THOSE GREEN SPACES AND WHATNOT.

SO I GUESS I'M JUST STILL CURIOUS WHY THAT WASN'T CONSIDERED.

AND, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SOME CALL OUT TO THAT.

YOU KNOW, IN FUTURE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THAT'S THE OPPORTUNITY WE'RE LOOKING FOR OR COULD BE PART OF THE SOLUTION.

AND I WAS JUST SORT OF CURIOUS AND WHY THAT WASN'T SORT OF CONSIDERED.

YOU KNOW, AND I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY FROM A FUTURE OR FROM A DISCUSSION THAT HAD HAPPENED IN THE PAST ABOUT THAT ANGLED PARKING, AND THAT WAS WITH THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL.

SO I THINK THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT MAYBE REVISITING SOME OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND KIND OF RETHINKING THAT AGAIN.

SO VERY MUCH LIKE TO SEE THAT BE PERMEATED IN THERE IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.

BUT IN REGARDS TO YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION, WHICH IS THE THE TEMPORARY WORKING WITH THAT LANDOWNER FOR TEMPORARY USE OR AND THEN SPECIFICALLY CALLING IT OUT FROM SAYING THAT 2022 TO 2024 TIME FRAME CERTAINLY APPEALS TO ME.

BUT CERTAINLY, OF COURSE, WE WANT TO BALANCE THAT WITH WHAT ADMINISTRATION IS CAPABLE OF DOING AS WELL. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WILL FIT WITHIN THE WORKFLOW OF THEM AS WELL. YEAH.

SO WE'LL PLAY WITH SOME WORDING HERE AND SEE IF THERE'S BRING FORWARD AN AMENDMENT TO THE COUNCIL NEXT WEEK OR SORRY, MONDAY, APRIL 11TH AT 7 P.M..

SEEING NOTHING FURTHER ON THIS ONE.

NEXT WE HAVE GET BACK UP TO THE TOP THERE.

[5. A memorandum regarding whether to amend the Terms of Reference for the Mayor’s Task Force on Economic Development to extend the term of the Committee.]

ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL.

COUNCILOR MORGAN. YEAH.

THANKS, MADAM CHAIR.

I JUST WANTED SORT OF CLARITY ON HOW.

THE TASK FORCE WOULD.

OPERATE GOING FORWARD, GIVEN THAT WE HAVE APPROVED THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE TASK FORCE.

THE IDEA, I GUESS, WOULD BE FOR IT TO SUPPORT THE IMPLEMENTATION, ONGOING IMPLEMENTATION OF. THE ECONOMIC STRATEGY, JUST THINKING TO LIKE IN THE PAST WHEN WE HAD THE COMMUNITY ENERGY PLANNING COMMITTEE AND THAT WAS EVENTUALLY DISMANTLED BECAUSE WE FELT THAT WE'RE IN THE IMPLEMENTATION PHASE, PHASE OF THE ENERGY PLAN.

AND, YOU KNOW, ADMINISTRATION HAS ALREADY GOT MARCHING ORDERS PER SE, AND THAT IT MIGHT NOT BE AS USEFUL TO HAVE A SORT OF STANDING COMMITTEE DURING THE IMPLEMENTATION OF A PLAN IF THERE WERE NO SPECIFIC TASKS OR QUESTIONS FOR THAT COMMITTEE TO PROVIDE INPUT ON.

SO MY QUESTION IS HOW WOULD WE AVOID THAT WITH THIS TASK FORCE? AND, YOU KNOW, I WAS THINKING ABOUT IT.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE DIFFERENT PURPOSES FOR HAVING COMMUNITY CONSULTATION.

SOMETIMES WE'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION.

WE WANT BLUE SKY, YOU KNOW, THOUGHTS ON NEW DIRECTIONS TO GO.

WHAT SHOULD WE PRIORITIZE? WHAT WHAT ARE THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS OUT THERE THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON? AND BUT SOMETIMES WE'VE ALREADY SET A DIRECTION.

WE HAVE A STRATEGY, AND WE WANT TO CHECK IN AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GOING AHEAD MOST EFFICIENTLY AND APPROPRIATELY.

BUT I GUESS.

WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE AND MAKE IT CLEAR TO WHATEVER COMMITTEE OR COMMUNITY GROUP WE WERE ENGAGED WITH.

ARE WE LOOKING FOR SORT OF GENERAL LOBBYING IDEAS?

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THANK YOU. YES, I'M FOR THE TERMS OF REFERENCE FOR THIS ONE.

THE TASK FORCE MEMBERS ARE RESPONSIBLE TO ATTEND MEETINGS AND DISCUSS ISSUES PERTAINING TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND TO PROVIDE ADVICE AND SUPPORT TO THE CITY THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AND IMPLEMENTATION OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY.

SO IN ONE PART, THEY THEY HAVE BEEN PROVIDING ADVICE AND INPUTS WHEN IT COMES TO THE IMPLEMENTATION AND STRATEGIES BEING PUT FORWARD.

BUT THEY'RE ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY TO TO CONSULT WITH ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STUFF.

SO GIANT MINE CAME TO PRESENT TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR THE TASK FORCE AND THE TASK FORCE WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO THEM.

DIAVIK WANTS TO ENGAGE TO TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE AND HEAR FROM HEAR FROM THE CITY ON AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT LENS.

SO THE TASK FORCE WILL BE AT THAT OPPORTUNITY AS WELL.

SO A BIT OF A MIX IN BETWEEN PROVIDING GENERAL ADVICE AND DIRECTION ON THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AS WELL AS A CONSULTATION BODY, A BIT LIKE THE THE UNIVERSITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WHEN IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TO GET FEEDBACK FOR SUBMISSIONS TO THE GOVERNMENT ON STUFF RELATED TO AURORA COLLEGE MS. BASSI-KELLETT TO ADD FROM ADMIN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.

I THINK THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT POINT.

IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THE UNIVERSITY POST-SECONDARY ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THAT IT'S A COALITION OF INTERESTS THAT OFTEN ARE CONNECTING WITH EACH OTHER AND NOT SIMPLY ON CITY SPECIFIC ISSUES.

WHAT WE FOUND WAS THAT IF THERE WAS AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN WHERE WE HAD A RANGE OF DIFFERENT MEMBERS OF A COMMITTEE THAT WERE THEN GIVING IDEAS ON NEW THINGS TO ADD IN TO OUR PLAN, THAT WAS REALLY PROBLEMATIC.

THAT WAS A CHALLENGE IN TERMS OF STAYING THE COURSE, IN TERMS OF A PLAN THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED BY COUNCIL WITH A CLEAR IMPLEMENTATION ROLLOUT.

WHAT WE SEE WITH THE MAYOR'S TASK FORCE ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS THAT THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARISE THAT THE MEMBERS THEMSELVES GO AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, THAT THEY LEARN OF THROUGH THE CONNECTION, THROUGH THE MAYOR'S TASK FORCE.

AND IT ISN'T ADDING OR CHANGING THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY OR IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, BUT RATHER IT'S SUPPLEMENTING.

SO WHETHER IT'S TOURISM, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S THE DIAVIK CLOSURE PLAN, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME DIFFERENT AREAS WHERE THE MEMBERS THEMSELVES HAVE GOTTEN TOGETHER AND HAVE BEEN ABLE TO RESPOND IN A COHERENT WAY THAT REALLY IS IN THE DIRECT INTEREST OF THE OVERALL ECONOMY OF THE CITY. THANK YOU.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THE MEETINGS ARE CALLED.

LIKE WHEN THE CHAIR FEELS THAT THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIFIC TO DISCUSS AS OPPOSED TO HAVING REGULAR MEETINGS JUST BECAUSE.

YEAH. YEAH.

SO THERE'S AN UPDATE ON THE PLAN ONCE A YEAR OR IS IT QUARTERLY? AND THEN THERE'S THE CALLS WHEN NEEDED.

SO GIANT MINE DOVE.

SO FAR, THE TASK FORCE HAS REQUESTED THAT THEY PARTICIPATE IN THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE BYLAWS. SO IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM.

WE'LL CALL A MEETING WHEN THAT'S READY.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT. ANYTHING FOR THE DAD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.

NO, YOU'RE RIGHT. WE REPORT OUT ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY ONCE A YEAR, SO OF COURSE WE VET IT THROUGH THE MAYOR'S TASK FORCE MEMBERS FIRST BEFORE IT COMES TO GTC AND COUNCIL. SO IT'S ONE MEETING A YEAR, BUT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT AT THIS POINT.

AND ANYTHING ELSE HAPPENS AS AND WHEN THERE'S AN ISSUE THAT WOULD BENEFIT FROM HAVING THE TASK FORCE COME TOGETHER.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

THANKS FOR THAT. I MEAN, I'M I'M CERTAINLY NOT I'M NOT OPPOSED TO OPPORTUNITIES FOR CONSULTATION WITH REPRESENTATIVES FROM DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE APPROACH THOSE MEETINGS WITH A REALLY TARGETED IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO GET OUT OF IT, AND THAT WE'RE CLEAR WITH THOSE MEMBERS, TOO, AND THAT IT DOESN'T JUST SORT OF DUPLICATE, SAY, A CHAMBER OF COMMERCE OR JUST OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO JUST GET TOGETHER AND CHAT.

YOU KNOW, LIKE WE WE JUST GO IN WITH A REALLY CLEAR IDEA OF OF HOW THEY CAN HELP GUIDE OUR WORK IN OUR PLANS.

THANKS. THANK YOU.

ANYTHING FURTHER, COUNCILOR WILLIAMS? THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. YEAH, I HAD SIMILAR RESERVATIONS, BUT THEN READING THE MEMO, YOU KNOW, INPUT AND FEEDBACK FROM THE MAYOR'S TASK FORCE HAS BEEN A GREAT ASSET TO ADMINISTRATION. SO SINCE IT HAS BEEN A GREAT ASSET SO FAR, AS FAR AS THE ADMINISTRATION'S COMMUNICATING TO COUNCIL, SO I FEEL IT APPROPRIATE TO MOVE FORWARD.

SO IN SUPPORT OF THE MEMO. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. SO WE'LL BRING THAT FORWARD FOR APPROVAL ON MONDAY, APRIL 11TH, AT 7 P.M..

[01:35:10]

[6. A memorandum regarding whether to dissolve all Sister City relationships due to dormancy and obsolescence.]

ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS.

DISCUSSION FROM COUNSEL.

THERE IS. YEAH, IT'S WAY IN THE BACK.

WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY ENGAGEMENT.

MORE NOWADAYS IS JUST REACHING OUT TO.

TO CITIES AND CHATTING, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH FCM AND TO SEE JUST REGULAR CONNECTIONS PICKING UP THE PHONE. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE JUST OFFICIALLY TAKING IT OFF OUR OUR LIST.

I'M SURE FOLKS ON WIKIPEDIA WILL CONTINUE TO SAY WE HAVE SISTER CITIES WITH X, Y AND Z.

BUT YEAH.

SO WE'LL BRING THIS FORWARD ON MONDAY, APRIL 11TH, AT 7 P.M..

NEXT IS A MEMORANDUM REGARDING WHETHER TO REPEAL THE TEMPORARY COVID 19 FACE COVERINGS BY

[7. A memorandum regarding whether to repeal Temporary Covid‐19 Face Coverings By‐ law No. 5028.]

SO THIS WILL BE COMING FORWARD TO COUNCIL FOR FIRST READING TONIGHT.

MS. BASSI-KELLETT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THIS ONE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.

COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL RECALL THAT WE WERE IN THIS SITUATION WHERE WE HAD TO ENACT THIS BYLAW BASED ON THE PUBLIC HEALTH ORDER THAT WAS RELATED TO THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN AN INDOOR SPACE.

AND SO IF WE WANTED TO HAVE MORE THAN NINE PEOPLE BE ABLE TO BE ON OUR PUBLIC TRANSIT AT ANY GIVEN POINT IN TIME, WE HAD TO IMPLEMENT A MANDATORY MASK.

BY LAW. AND SO NOW, PENDING THE TERMINATION OF THE PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY BY THE OFFICE OF THE CHIEF PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICER AND THE END OF THE LIMITATION ON PEOPLE ON INDOOR SPACES, THE INDOOR CAPACITY CAP, THE CITY'S TEMPORARY COVERED FACE COVERING BYLAW IS NO LONGER GOING TO BE REQUIRED.

SO WHILE IT'S NOT LEGISLATED, OF COURSE, THE CITY DOES CONTINUE TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO TAKE PRECAUTIONS TO STAY HEALTHY.

WE LOOK AT THE CHIEF PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICER AS OUR GUIDE ON THIS.

WE LOOK AT THE JURISPRUDENCE AS WELL AROUND MASK USE.

AND OF COURSE, WE FOLLOW THAT OVERALL.

BUT IN TERMS OF THE CITY NEEDING TO HAVE THE MASK BYLAW IN PLACE AS WE REACH APRIL 1ST AND THE CHANGES THAT ARE COMING FROM THE CHIEF PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICER, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THIS NO LONGER NEEDS TO BE IN PLACE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS, COUNCILOR SMITH? THANK YOU. I, FOR ONE, AM SUPER EXCITED TO HAVE THIS COME FORWARD.

I KNOW MANY ILL NIPPERS AS WELL ARE GOING TO BE IN THE SAME BOAT.

I MEAN, MARCH JUST CAME AND MANY OF US WERE DOWN SOUTH AND TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT AND HAVE THE OPTION OF WEARING A MASK WAS WAS GREAT.

AND I HOPE THAT YELLOWKNIFE IS CONTINUE.

IF YOU WANT TO WEAR A MASK, BY ALL MEANS WEAR A MASK.

BUT THOSE OF US THAT MIGHT NOT WANT TO OR MIGHT WANT TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE LIBERAL WITH PUTTING THEM ON AND OFF.

THE ONLY THING THAT I DO HAVE ISSUE WITH ON THIS IS THE DATE I'M REALLY HOPING THIS ISN'T LIKE THE WORST APRIL FOOL'S JOKE EVER.

SO LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS ALL THE SAME.

DR. KENDALL HAS REASSURED US IT'S NOT AN APRIL FOOL'S JOKE.

SO YEAH.

WITH THAT, WE WILL BRING THAT FORWARD TONIGHT FOR FIRST APPROVAL.

[IN CAMERA]

IF I CAN GO TO MOTION TO MOVE IN, CAMERA MOVE BY COUNCILOR WILLIAMS, SECONDED BY COUNCILOR SMITH. ANYBODY OPPOSED SEEING NONE? WE WILL GO IN CAMERA.

COUNCILOR KONGO WILL DIAL YOU IN SEPARATELY.

OH, NEVER MIND. YOU CAN STAY ON THE LINE.

JUST STAY ON THE LINE. AND WE HAVE NO BUSINESS ARISING FROM IN CAMERA.

IF I CAN GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN MOVE BY COUNCILOR SMITH, SECONDED BY COUNCILOR WILLIAMS. ANYBODY OPPOSED SEEING NONE? WE'LL SEE EVERYBODY AT 7 P.M.

TONIGHT BACK IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

BYE BYE.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.