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>> I'D LIKE TO CALL OUR GOVERNANCE AND PRIORITIES COMMITTEE MEETING FOR MONDAY,
[1. Opening Statement]
JUNE 14TH, 2021 TO ORDER.I'D LIKE TO BEGIN BY ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE IS LOCATED IN CHIEF DRYGEESE TERRITORY.
FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL, IT'S BEEN THE TRADITIONAL LAND OF THE YELLOWKNIVES DENE FIRST NATION.
WE RESPECT THE HISTORIES, LANGUAGES, AND CULTURES OF ALL OTHER INDIGENOUS PEOPLES, INCLUDING THE NORTH SLAVE METIS AND ALL FIRST NATION'S METIS AND INUIT, WHOSE PRESENCE CONTINUES TO ENRICH OUR VIBRANT COMMUNITY.
MISS BESSIE KELLETT, ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD TO THE AGENDA?
[2. Approval of the agenda.]
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
[3. Disclosure of pecuniary interest and the general nature thereof.]
DISCLOSURE PECUNIARY [NOISE] INTEREST IN THE GENERAL NATURE THEREOF.DOES ANY MEMBER HAVE A PECUNIARY INTEREST TODAY? COUNCILOR PAYNE.
>> I HAVE A [INAUDIBLE] NUMBER 5.
I'M CURRENTLY ON THE BOARD OF HOMEBASE.
>> THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER? SEEING NONE.
NEXT, WE HAVE A MEMORANDUM REGARDING WHETHER
[4. A memorandum regarding whether to release the draft Reconciliation Framework and Reconciliation Action Plan for broad engagement with all Indigenous partners and the public.]
TO RELEASE THE DRAFT RECONCILIATION FRAMEWORK AND RECONCILIATION ACTION PLAN FOR BROAD ENGAGEMENT WITH ALL INDIGENOUS PARTNERS AND THE PUBLIC.I'D LIKE TO THANK, I SEE WE HAVE CHIEF BETSINA AND CHIEF [INAUDIBLE] WHO HAVE JOINED US TODAY AS WELL AS LENA BLACK AND JASON [INAUDIBLE] , THE CEO AND SYSTEM CEO FOR THE YELLOWKNIVES DENE FIRST NATION.
AGAIN, APPRECIATE THE TIME YOU'VE SPENT OVER THE PAST WINTER REVIEWING OUR FRAMEWORK AND OUR ACTION PLAN, AS WELL AS PROVIDING ADVICE ON IT.
WE APPRECIATE IT AND LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING TOGETHER TO PUT THE ACTION PLAN INTO PLACE AND TO UPDATE IT ON A REGULAR BASIS.
WITH THAT MISS BESSIE KELLETT DID YOU HAVE ANY OPENING COMMENTS REGARDING THE FRAMEWORK AND THE ACTION PLAN?
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR, WITH PLEASURE, YES.
THE CITY HAS BEEN WORKING TOWARDS RECONCILIATION FOR SOME TIME NOW THROUGH ACTIONS SUCH AS ADOPTING THE TRC CALLS TO ACTION AND ENDORSING THE UNITED NATIONS DECLARATION ON THE RIGHTS OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLES BACK IN 2015.
MORE RECENTLY, STRENGTHENING OUR WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE YELLOWKNIVES DENE FIRST NATION, GIVEN THAT WE ARE LOCATED ON CHIEF DRYGEESE TERRITORY, AS WELL AS WITH THE NORTHSIDE METIS AND OTHER INDIGENOUS PEOPLES HAS BEEN A REALLY KEY PRIORITY FOR US.
IT'S A PRODUCTIVE APPROACH GIVEN THAT STRONG COLLABORATIONS ARE RESULTING IN GOOD THINGS FOR OUR COMMUNITIES OVERALL.
WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF THIS WORK AND OUR EFFORTS TO START THE CONVERSATION THAT BEGAN IN 2019 ARE REALLY BEARING FRUIT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
SINCE THAT TIME WHEN WE STARTED DOING SOME INITIAL FREE CONSULTATIONS IN 2019, WE'VE BEEN WORKING TO INCORPORATE THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HEARD FROM COMMUNITY SESSIONS AND TO DEVELOP A FORMAL RECONCILIATION FRAMEWORK THAT CAN GUIDE THE WORK OF THE CITY NOW AND INTO THE FUTURE.
ACCOMPANYING THE BIG PICTURE FRAMEWORK IS AN ACTION PLAN, WHICH IS INTENDED TO BE A LIVING DOCUMENT THAT WILL OUTLINE ACTIONS THAT WE'VE TAKEN TO DATE, THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON CURRENTLY AND PROPOSED ACTIONS FOR THE FUTURE AND THIS OF COURSE, NEEDS TO BE ORGANIC.
THERE NEEDS CONSTANT INCLUSION, FEEDBACK, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE BROUGHT FORWARD AND PUT INTO THIS ACTION PLAN.
WE HAVE SHARED THIS AS MAYOR ALTY SAID, AS CHAIR ALTY IN THIS CASE, WE HAVE SHARED THIS IN ADVANCE WITH THE YELLOWKNIVES, WE'VE PROVIDED A COPY MORE RECENTLY TO THE NORTHSIDE METIS, AND WE DID HAVE IT REVIEWED BY AN EXTERNAL EXPERT AS WELL, AND SO NOW WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE BECAUSE THIS IS A COMMUNITY DOCUMENT, BECAUSE OF THE IMPORTANCE IT HAS, WE'RE SEEKING GPC AND COUNCIL APPROVAL TO PUT THIS OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE.
AS THE CAPITOL OF THE NWT, WE ARE AT CROSSROADS FOR MANY INDIGENOUS PEOPLES AS WELL AS SETTLERS AND IT'S ON US FORMALLY TO COMMIT TO RECONCILIATION IN PRINCIPLE AND PRACTICE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
>> THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR DISCUSSION FROM COUNCILLORS? COUNCILLOR MORSE.
I GUESS I CAN BE THE FIRST ONE TO SPEAK HERE AND I'LL JUST TRY TO SPEAK TO THE THINGS THAT I'M MOST FAMILIAR WITH.
LOOKING THROUGH IT AND LOOKING TO THE POTENTIAL FUTURE ACTIONS, I GET THE IMPRESSION THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO BE DOING SOME ENGAGEMENT WITH PEOPLE AND WE JUST KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME THINGS WHICH ARE BEING CAPTURED HERE, BUT THE INTERCULTURAL PLACE MAKING PLAN IS NOTED IN THIS REPORT AS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ACHIEVED.
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BUT I WOULD NOTE THAT AND IT WAS EMPHASIZED BY THE HERITAGE COMMITTEE THROUGHOUT THAT EXERCISE.THAT WAS JUST A FIRST STEP, AND I WOULD CONSIDER, I DON'T KNOW EXACT WORDING THAT I WILL PUT IT INTO, BUT I WOULD NOTE THAT VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE HERITAGE COMMITTEE'S EXISTING PLAQUES, OUTSIDE OF THOSE INSTALLED DURING THE INTERCULTURAL PLACE MAKING PLANNING EXERCISE ARE PRETTY OUTDATED.
I WAS WALKING BY THE MCMEEKAN CAUSEWAY THE OTHER DAY, AND THERE'S THREE PLAQUES THERE AND ALL OF THE PLAQUES SPEAK EXCLUSIVELY TO SETTLER HISTORY EXCEPT FOR THE LAST SENTENCE OF ONE OF THE PLAQUES.
ABOUT 95 PERCENT OF THE HISTORY THAT'S REPORTED JUST IN THOSE THREE PLAQUES IS ALL SETTLER HISTORY AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THAT IS THE CASE FOR VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE PLAQUES THAT THE COMMITTEE, AND ONE OF THOSE PLAQUES IS NOT THAT OLD.
SOME OF THEM ARE QUITE OLD AND DATE BACK TO THE '80S, BUT SOME OF THEM WERE INSTALLED IN THE PAST SIX OR SEVEN YEARS.
I WOULD CONSIDER ONE OF THE EXERCISES IS AN UPDATING OF THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIVES PUBLIC COMMUNICATION OF HISTORY THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS POINTED OUT BY SOMEONE DURING ONE OF OUR SESSIONS WHEN WE WERE FIRST DEVELOPING THIS REPORT, WAS SAYING THAT THEY FELT THAT THE HISTORY OF YKDFN HAS NOT BEEN WELL COMMUNICATED BY THE CITY AND THAT THEY SEE A LOT OF TRIBUTES TO MINING HISTORY THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
WHICH I THINK SOME PEOPLE FIND TO BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO RECONCILE AND DIFFICULT TO SEE THAT SOME PEOPLE DON'T CONSIDER THE MINING HISTORY OR THERE'S MORE TO THE MINING HISTORY THAN ONE PERSPECTIVE THAT IS THIS GREAT FRONTIER THING THAT'S HAPPENED IN THAT THERE'S A DARKER SIDE TO IT ALL.
FOLLOWING THOSE COMMENTS, IT WASN'T THAT LONG AFTER THAT THAT THE CITY WENT ABOUT PUTTING MINING EQUIPMENT INTO OUR NEW MERIDIANS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND SO WE'RE HEARING FROM PEOPLE SAYING THEY DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY SEE THAT.
THEY'D LIKE TO SEE US ACKNOWLEDGING INDIGENOUS HISTORY AND YET WE ARE STILL GOING ABOUT DOING THIS.
THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I THINK IT WAS DIFFICULT TO SEE AS THE CHAIR OF THE HERITAGE COMMITTEE BECAUSE IT SEEMED TO BE HAPPENING AND IT WASN'T REALLY CONSIDERED THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT I THINK THAT'S SHOULD HAVE PROBABLY GONE THROUGH THE HERITAGE COMMITTEE.
I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT PART OF THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF WORK TO DO ON THE HERITAGE SIDE OF THINGS WITH EXISTING INFORMATION THAT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED, AND THEN THERE'S THE FUTURE INSTALLATIONS.
THE INTERCULTURAL PLACE MAKING PLAN DEALT WITH PLAYING A LITTLE BIT OF CATCH UP AND ACKNOWLEDGING SOME OF THE MAIN SITES THAT ARE SIGNIFICANT TO YKDFN PEOPLES.
WE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH YKDFN ON THAT, BUT I WOULD JUST NOTE THAT THAT WAS JUST A FIRST STEP.
I WOULD AT LEAST INCLUDE INTERACTIONS, SOME WORDING ON THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN THERE, BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO WORTH NOTING THAT WHEN WE THINK ABOUT RECONCILIATION, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THESE THINGS, WE NEED TO BE CONSIDERING THE WIDER IMPACT OF DIFFERENT ACTIONS THAT THE CITY TAKES AND HOW THAT RELATES TO HERITAGE, WHAT WE'RE PRESERVING, WHAT WE'RE COMMUNICATING.
I THINK THAT'S ONE IMPORTANT PART OF THIS, THE REST OF THE FUTURE ACTIONS AND I KNOW THAT THE HERITAGE COMMITTEE IS LISTED IN THIS REPORT THAT ONE OF THE ACTIVITIES IS WORKING WITH GNWT ON RESIDENTIAL SCHOOLS MEMORIAL IN PARTICULAR, WHICH I THINK IS A IMPORTANT EXERCISE.
BUT I DON'T WANT THE NEED TO PLAY CATCH UP ON SOME OF THE OLDER MATERIALS THAT THE HERITAGE COMMITTEE HAS IN PLACE THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT DO REQUIRE SOME UPDATE.
IT IS LIKE, WHEN YOU GO THROUGH IT AND LOOK AT THE PLAQUES WITH A BIT OF A CRITICAL EYE, IT BECOMES VERY APPARENT THAT THE SETTLER HISTORY HAS BEEN HEAVILY PRIORITIZED OVER THE FULL HISTORY, AS I WOULD CALL IT, WHICH INCLUDES THE INDIGENOUS HISTORY OF THE AREA.
I THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL TO ENSURE THAT THAT WORK IS ONGOING AND THAT WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE'S LOTS MORE WORK TO DO.
I THINK THAT'S THE SUBJECT THAT I'VE BEEN MOST FAMILIAR WITH DURING MY TIME.
BECAUSE, OF COURSE, I SPENT SOME TIME AS CHAIR AND OF COURSE COUNCILOR SMITH IS NOW TAKING UP THAT FLAG AND CHAIRING THE HERITAGE COMMITTEE,
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WHICH I'M EXCITED TO SEE THE WORK THAT THE COMMITTEE DOES GOING FORWARD.THAT'S MY MAIN COMMENT ON THE POTENTIAL FUTURE ACTIONS THAT WE SHOULD INCLUDE SOME STUFF RELATED TO UPDATING HERITAGE COMMITTEE [INAUDIBLE] AND THAT THERE DOES NEED TO BE SOME WORK BY THE COMMITTEE.
THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF WORK TO DO.
I THINK I'LL LEAVE THAT FOR NOW.
I'M SURE OTHER COUNCILORS HAVE COMMENTS.
I MAY HAVE COMMENTS BASED ON WHAT OTHERS HAVE TO SAY.
OF COURSE, I'M VERY INTERESTED TO HEAR FROM OUR INDIGENOUS PARTNERS ON FUTURE ACTIONS AND THEN WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE.
JUST A FINAL NOTE, SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN POINTED OUT TO ME AND HAS NOT FALLEN ON DEAF EARS OR HAVE BEEN LOST ON ME IS THE FACT THAT WHEN WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT PARTICULARLY THE IMPACT AND LEGACY OF RESIDENTIAL SCHOOLS, THE CITY PLAYS A BIG ROLE IN TERMS OF THE 10-YEAR PLAN TO END HOMELESSNESS AND HOW A LARGE PORTION OF PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IN OUR COMMUNITY, ARE RESIDENTIAL SCHOOL SURVIVORS, OR INTERGENERATIONAL SURVIVORS OF RESIDENTIAL SCHOOLS AND THAT OUR HOMELESSNESS PLAN IS ALSO A BIG PART OF RECONCILIATION OF THE WIDER IMPACT OF COLONIZATION.
I THINK THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO KEEP THAT IN MIND AND AT TOP OF MIND WHEN CONSIDERING ANY OF THE DIFFERENT ACTIONS THAT THE CITY IS INVOLVED IN, PARTNERING WITH AND FACILITATING THE PROCESSES THAT [INAUDIBLE] TO GO THROUGH IN PROVIDING DAY SHELTERING SERVICES AND OF COURSE, INTERACTIONS TO END THE HOMELESSNESS IN THE COMMUNITY.
I THINK THAT THERE COULD BE SOME MENTION THERE IN TERMS OF FUTURE ACTIONS AND I DIDN'T NOTICE.
I MAY HAVE MISSED IT, BUT IT DIDN'T SEEM THAT THE PLAN TO END HOMELESSNESS IS CONNECTED TO THIS.
I THINK THAT IT MAY BE WORTHWHILE JUST NOTING THAT IT'S ALL PART OF THE WIDER PUZZLE. THANKS.
>> THANK YOU. [INAUDIBLE] INTERCULTURAL HERITAGE AND PLACE-MAKING PLAN, IT'S NOTED AS ONGOING AND IN THE PLAN IT TALKS ABOUT THESE ARE THE FIRST PROJECTS AND THEN WE'LL BE UPDATED WITH FUTURE PROJECTS.
PERHAPS WE CAN JUST UPDATE THE WORDING IN THE RECONCILIATION ACTION PLAN TO MAKE IT MORE CLEAR THAT IT'S NOT A ONE AND DONE INTERCULTURAL PLACE-MAKING PLAN.
NEXT ON THE LIST I HAVE COUNCILOR KONGE.
>> THANK YOU. THIS IS A DRAFT ONE THAT'S TO MY UNDERSTANDING.
MAYBE ADMIN COULD CONFIRM THIS RIGHT AWAY IS THEIR NEXT STEPS ARE IT'S GOING TO GO TO THE PUBLIC FOR COMMENTS.
I SEE MS. BASSI-KELLETT IS NODDING HER HEAD.
COUNCILOR MORSE, YOU OBVIOUSLY DUG INTO IT A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN I DID BASED ON ITS COMMENTS, WHICH IS WONDERFUL.
I LOOKED AT AND THOUGHT BACK TO NINE YEARS AGO WHEN I FIRST GOT ELECTED ON COUNCIL AND THE LIMITED INTERACTIONS THAT WE HAD WITH THE YKHDFN AND THINK TO JUST IN THE LAST 2-3 YEARS WHERE THAT'S DEFINITELY RAMPED UP.
I FEEL LIKE WE'RE ON THE RIGHT PATH.
THE THING ABOUT THESE PLANS ARE NO, I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE STRUCK IN STONE, IF YOU WILL.
I THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO EVOLVE AS THINGS CHANGE AND WE LEARN MORE REALLY.
I THINK AS A NATION IN THE LAST MONTH, WE'VE CERTAINLY HAVE HEARD EVIDENCE ABOUT THE STORIES THAT OUR ABORIGINAL MEMBERS IN THE COUNTRY HAVE HAD IN TERMS OF RESIDENTIAL SCHOOLS.
HOW DO WE MAKE THAT RIGHT? THAT'S THE QUESTION.
I THINK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ASK, HOW DO WE MAKE THAT RIGHT AS A PERSON PERSONALLY, AS A COUNCILOR IN THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE, AS A CANADIAN? I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM THE CHIEFS WHAT THEY THINK OF OUR DRAFT PLAN HERE BECAUSE I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD AND I LIKE THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.
I THINK FOR ME ON THIS ONE HERE, IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT TO HEAR WHAT THE COMMUNITY THINKS AND WHAT THE CHIEFS THINK AND THE YKHDFN COMMUNITIES AS WELL.
HAPPY THAT WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS.
HAPPY THAT WE'RE HAVING THE CONVERSATIONS.
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HAPPY THAT WE ARE BEING BETTER NEIGHBORS.ALL THE MEETINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN TO THE CHIEF ALWAYS SAY, ''WE'RE NEIGHBORS, WE'RE IN THIS TOGETHER.'' THAT HAS ALWAYS STRUCK HOME TO ME THAT, WE ARE THEIR NEIGHBORS.
WE CAME HERE, WE MOVED IN AND THEY ARE SAYING THAT WE'RE NOW THEIR NEIGHBORS SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GOOD NEIGHBORS. THANKS FOR THAT.
>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR SMITH.
>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I DEFINITELY WANT TO THANK COUNCILOR MORSE FOR INCLUDING AND RECOGNIZING THAT THE HERITAGE OF YELLOWKNIFE'S BEGAN PRIOR TO NON-INDIGENOUS SETTLERS.
WHEN I WAS READING THE DOCUMENT, IT STATES IT'S A LIVING DOCUMENT WHICH IT WILL EVOLVE AS WE GO ALONG AND IT WILL CONSTANTLY CHANGE BASED ON THE NEW INFORMATION THAT COMES FORWARD AND HOW WE DECIDE TO PROCEED GOING FORWARD AS PARTNERS WITH OUR RELATIONSHIP GROWING.
RECONCILIATION BEING WHAT IT IS, IS TO RECONCILE AND TO LEARN FROM ONE ANOTHER.
I'M DEFINITELY PROUD THAT THIS IS GOING FORWARD.
THE WORDING THAT'S IN THERE IS VERY IMPORTANT.
IT STATES IN THERE, WE ARE GOING TO MAKE SOME MISSTEPS, WE ARE GOING TO MAKE MISTAKES BECAUSE THIS IS NEW TERRITORY, DEFINITELY FOR EVERYONE.
THERE'S NO HANDBOOK ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AND WITH ALL THE INFORMATION THAT'S COMING FORWARD, JUST LIKE COUNCILOR KONGE SAID IN THE PAST MONTH, THERE'S RAW MOTION THAT WILL CONTINUE COMING OUT AS MORE TRUTHS COME TO THE SURFACE AND CANADIANS RECOGNIZE WHAT US AS INDIGENOUS PEOPLE HAVE ENDURED AND TRY TO MOVE FORWARD AND TRY AND FIND THAT PATH.
I'M REALLY PLEASED TO SEE THIS COME FORWARD.
I REALLY APPRECIATED THE WORDING THAT WAS IN THERE FOR SOME OF THE IMPORTANT STATEMENTS. MORSE.
>> THANK YOU. COUNCILOR MORGAN
>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I'M ALSO VERY HAPPY TO SEE THIS COME FORWARD TODAY.
I KNOW IT'S BEEN A NUMBER OF YEARS IN THE WORKS.
I AM PROUD OF THE WORK THAT HAS GONE INTO THIS SO FAR, AND CERTAINLY COMMITTED TO CONTINUE FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH THE COMMITMENTS THAT WE'VE MADE AND THE ACTIONS THAT WE'VE PUT IN THESE PLANS.
I DO APPRECIATE AND SUPPORT CHANCELLOR MORSE'S COMMENTS.
I DO THINK EVERYTHING WE DO RELATES TO HERITAGE OR CELEBRATING THE CITY'S HERITAGE HAS TO HAVE THIS LENS ALSO OF NOT JUST LOOKING FROM A SETTLER PERSPECTIVE, BUT INCLUDING MUCH FULLER PERSPECTIVE, AND ALWAYS TRYING TO WORK WITH YKDFN ON HOW THEY WANT STORIES TO BE TOLD OF BOTH HOW THE CITY CAME TO BE, AND THEN WHAT WAS HERE BEFORE A FORMAL CITY CAME TO BE OBVIOUSLY.
I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF MAKING THAT EXPLICIT CONNECTION TO THE HOMELESSNESS PLAN.
CERTAINLY, IN THE WORK OF THE COMMITTEE ADVISORY BOARD, AND HOMELESSNESS AND RECONCILIATION IS A TOPIC AND A CONSIDERATION THAT IS FRONT OF MIND, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS DEFINITELY AT THE FOREFRONT, BUT CERTAINLY EVERY OPPORTUNITY WE CAN TO HIGHLIGHT FOR EVERYONE, THEIR CONNECTIONS THERE ARE IMPORTANT.
I WAS REFLECTING ON THE RALLIES, THE VISUALS THAT HAVE BEEN HELD OVER THE PAST FEW WEEKS HERE IN YELLOWKNIFE, AND HOW POWERFUL I THOUGHT IT WAS, THE MATCH INDIVIDUAL THAT WAS HELD FOR THE CHILDREN THAT WERE KILLED NEAR KAMLOOPS.
IT WAS AN OVERWHELMING THING TO LEARN.
BUT TO SEE SO MANY PEOPLE FROM THIS COMMUNITY COME TOGETHER, I WAS MOVED JUST TO SEE PEOPLE FROM ALL WORKS OF LIFE IN THIS COMMUNITY.
SO MANY PEOPLE WANTING TO ENGAGE, WANTING TO BE PART OF IT, SHOW SUPPORT, UNDERSTAND MORE BY GOING TO THAT MATCH.
I WAS ENCOURAGED THAT NOT ONLY IS THIS RECONCILIATION PLAN SOMETHING THAT THE CITY ITSELF IS DOING,
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IT'S NOT JUST LIMITED TO LEADERS AND BUREAUCRATIC ACTIONS AND STAFF, BUT I THINK WE DO HAVE A HISTORIC OPPORTUNITY HERE WITH SO MUCH INTEREST AND ENGAGEMENT FROM EVERYBODY.SO MANY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY TO REALLY MAKE THIS COMMUNITY WIDE, AND NOT JUST SOMETHING THAT IS DONE AT IN ORGANIZATIONAL LEVEL.
I WAS ALSO SUPER ENCOURAGED GOING TO THE VIGIL LAST WEEK TO COMMEMORATE THE FAMILY THAT WAS KILLED IN LONDON BECAUSE OF THE HEAT CRIME, BECAUSE OF ISLAMOPHOBIA.
BUT SEEING, CHIEF SANGER'S THERE SPEAKING, SEEING GRAND CHIEF, YAK ELIA AND OTHER INDIGENOUS LEADERS AND ACTIVISTS.
SEEING THE COMMUNITY COME TOGETHER IN THAT WAY TOO, IT GOES BOTH WAYS.
WE ARE A COMMUNITY MADE UP OF MEMBERS FROM LOTS OF DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS, AND WE ALL HAVE A ROLE TO PLAY IN THIS RECONCILIATION.
IT'S NOT JUST AN INDIGENOUS THING OR A SETTLER THING, BUT SEEING THAT OUTPOURING OF SUPPORT ALSO MADE ME FEEL LIKE MAYBE WE'RE ON THE RIGHT PATH HERE, THAT THINGS ARE CHANGING, THAT WE ARE COMING TOGETHER MORE AS A COMMUNITY.
I AM ENCOURAGED IN THIS ACTION PLAN TO SEE LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY TO GET INVOLVED.
WHETHER IT'S LEARNING OPPORTUNITIES AT THE LIBRARY, DANNY, LANGUAGE LEARNING AND CULTURE TO HERITAGE AND PLAQUES AND EVENTS, THAT COMMUNITY BLANKET EXERCISE, OR JUST THINGS THAT PEOPLE SEE EVERY DAY WHEN THEY WALKED DOWN THE STREET LIKE STOP SIGNS TO SEE THE DANNY LANGUAGE THERE.
I'M ENCOURAGED AND I'M HOPING THAT IT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THIS COMMUNITY IS INVOLVED IN, NOT JUST US AS LEADERS.
THAT'S MY HOPE GOING FORWARD AND I AM HOPEFUL. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER, IF NOT, CHIEF BETSINA JUST OPENING UP TO YOU, IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS TO US ON, WOULD BE WELCOMED IN.
>> FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYONE.
THE CITY YELLOWKNIFE GOVERNMENT COUNCIL FOR INVITING US TO YOUR COUNCIL MEETING.
I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION BUT I WAS AROUND COUNCIL.
BUT IT'S GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY ON THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE COUNCIL.
THIS RECONCILIATION WAS BROUGHT TO OUR COUNCIL AND BASICALLY OUR COUNCIL, THEY WANT TO ESTABLISH OUR OWN.
WE'RE ESTABLISHING A COMMITTEE OF OUR OWN WORKING GROUP THAT WE WANT TO WORK, HAVE YOUR OWN DOCUMENT, AND ALSO WORK WITH THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE DOCUMENT ALL AS WELL TOO.
IT'S GOING TO BE ONGOING. IT'S A LIVING DOCUMENT.
IT'S GOING TO BE MAYBE A COUPLE OF MONTHS, OR WORRYING FURTHER THAN THAT TO TRY TO FINALIZE EVERYTHING.
WE'LL GET THE WORKING DOCUMENT.
I BELIEVES ABOUT THREE OR FOUR COUNCILORS, THEY WANT TO DO THAT AND THEN I BRING IT FORWARD TO OUR CONSOLE AGAIN.
THEN ONCE WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT, AND THEN WORK WITH THE CITY OF YELLOWKNIFE.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO ALL THESE EVENTS, ALL THIS IS WORKING DOCUMENTS, SO THAT WAY WE CAN HAVE YKDFN.
BUT THE ONE THING THAT YKDFN HAVE REALLY NOTED, AND REALLY IS THAT THE OTHER ABORIGINAL GROUPS.
WE WANT OUR OWN YKDFN TO BE FOR YKDFN AND NOT FOR THE [INAUDIBLE] NOT FOR ANY OTHER MCKEY GROUP.
THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO WORK ON.
THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO BRING FORWARD.
OUR WORKING GROUP WILL BRING THAT FORWARD IN THE COMING MONTHS, SO JUST LET EVERYBODY KNOW THE CITY COUNCILORS, AND OTHER FYI.
WOULD YOU BELIEVE IT? ANOTHER FOUR YEARS HAS GONE BY ALREADY.
MY ELECTIONS COMING UP AGAIN THIS AUGUST 23RD,
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SO I WILL BE RUNNING.I WILL BE SEEKING MY THIRD TERM, IT'S BEING EIGHT YEARS ALREADY.
I LOVE TO SERVE MY PEOPLE, I LOVE WORKING FOR MY PEOPLE AND THE YOUTH, AND THAT'S WHAT INSPIRES ME.
WITH THAT, ONE COUNCILOR, DINO COUNCILOR IS ALSO AN ELECTION BECAUSE ALINA HAS ASSISTED THE CEO, AND SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S ANOTHER DINO COUNCILOR.
WHEREAS THE ELECTION'S COMING UP.
SO JUNE 24TH IS MY LAST DAY, AND THEN I'LL BE ON A CAMPAIGN TRAIL.
GOD WILLING, I'LL BE BACK AGAIN TO SERVE MY PEOPLE AGAIN FOR A THIRD TERM, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AND OF COURSE YKDFN AND COUNCILORS, AND WE'VE GOT LOTS OF WORK AHEAD OF US.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THIS HAS TO STOP BECAUSE COUNCIL STILL HAVE ITS 10 MEMBERS, 10 VOTES, OR 10 ON THE COUNCIL THAT'S STILL ACTIVE SO ISSUES STILL HAVE TO BE BROUGHT FORWARD AND YKDFN STILL HAS TO GOVERN OUR YKDFN.
I WANT TO WISH EVERYBODY A GOOD SUMMER, AND I'LL PROBABLY SEE YOU SOMETIME.
I LOOK FORWARD TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
>> LET'S SEE, CHIEF AND ALL THE BEST ON YOUR UPCOMING CAMPAIGN TRAIL.
WE ALL KNOW HOW MUCH WORK THAT IS, AND PARTICULARLY OVER THE SUMMER, YOU DON'T GET TO KEEP YOUR FEET UP AND THEN RELAX.
WE'VE APPRECIATED WORKING WITH YOU OVER THE PAST EIGHT YEARS AND YOU'VE SERVED YOUR MEMBERS AS WELL, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE COMING FALL AND WORKING WITH THE YKDFN ON YOUR RECONCILIATION ACTION PLAN.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF LENA WANTS TO SAY ANYTHING.
SHE TURNED HER CAMERA OFF, BUT.
>> [LAUGHTER] SORRY GUYS. I JUST HAD SOMETHING OPEN.
[NOISE]. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN TERMS OF THE FRAMEWORK WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH IT.
WHEN WE BROUGHT IT TO OUR COUNCIL THERE WAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS, I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO THE NITTY-GRITTY WITH IT.
BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS AND I THINK THE APPROACH OF HAVING A GROUP EFFORT ON BOTH SIDES TO LOOK AT THE FRAMEWORK I THINK IS THE BEST APPROACH.
I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE WHERE WE GO FROM HERE.
>> THANK YOU, LENA. ANYTHING FURTHER BEFORE FROM COUNCIL? SEEING NONE, WE WILL BRING THIS FORWARD TO OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH IS MONDAY, JUNE 28.
AGAIN, THAT'S JUST TO APPROVE, WE'LL BE THEN GOING OUT TO SEEK FEEDBACK FROM ALL RESIDENTS AS WELL AS OTHER INDIGENOUS GOVERNMENTS.
WITH THAT, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA AND CHIEF LENA, YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY FOR THE WHOLE MEETING OR IF YOU WANT TO DUCK OUT AND ENJOY THE SUN BY ALL MEANS WE UNDERSTAND THAT TOO.
THE NEXT ONE ON THE AGENDA IS A MEMORANDUM REGARDING WHETHER TO
[5. A memorandum regarding whether to dispose of a leasehold interest in a property identified as Lot 30, Block 23, Plan 3509 (4903 50th Street) – referred to as the ‘Old Mine Rescue Building’.]
DISPOSE A LEASEHOLD INTEREST IN A PROPERTY IDENTIFIED AS LOT 30, BLOCK 23, PLAN 3509, WHICH IS CIVIC ADDRESS 4903 50TH STREET, REFERRED TO AS THE OLD MINE RESCUE BUILDING.MISS BASSI KELLETT, TURN IT OVER TO YOU.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH MADAM CHAIR.
AS COUNCIL MEMBERS KNOW, ANY LEASES LONGER THAN THREE YEARS REQUIRE COUNCIL'S APPROVAL AS PER OUR LAND ADMINISTRATION BYLAW.
THIS OF COURSE, MUST BE IMPLEMENTED THROUGH BYLAW.
ADMINISTRATION TODAY IS PROPOSING THAT COUNCIL APPROVE A FIVE-YEAR LEASE FOR THE FORMER MINE RESCUE BUILDING, TO HOMEBASE, YELLOWKNIFE, WHICH IS FORMERLY KNOWN AS THE SIDEDOOR.
SIDEDOOR WAS THE SUCCESSFUL PROPONENT IN RESPONSE TO A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL THAT THE CITY PUT OUT, SEEKING EXPRESSIONS OF INTEREST FROM ORGANIZATIONS SUPPORTING THE ERADICATION OF HOMELESSNESS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
THIS WENT OUT IN LATE SPRING, EARLY SUMMER 2020.
THIS OF COURSE, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THAT RFP PROCESS AND SIDEDOOR WAS SELECTED, THIS OF COURSE, WAS PLACED ON HOLD WHEN THE GNWT ACCESS THE BUILDING FOR USE AS A TEMPORARY DAY SHELTER OVER THE PAST WINTER.
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NOW THAT THE GNWT HAS INDICATED IT DOES NOT HAVE AN INTEREST IN THIS BUILDING, WE ARE SEEKING TO CONTINUE WITH THE PROCESS OF LEASING THIS TO THE ORGANIZATION NOW KNOWN AS HOMEBASE.THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
>> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL? COUNCIL MORGAN?
>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. YES. I JUST WANT SOME CLARITY ON WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE BUILDING? I READ THROUGH THE MEMO AND IT TALKED ABOUT IT BEING A MEETING POINT OR MEETING PLACE FOR I THINK FAMILIES EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, BUT I'M NOT CLEAR, IS THIS TO BE A NEW SHELTER OR IS IT LIKE A DROP-IN CENTER DURING THE DAY OR A RESOURCE CENTER OR IS IT MORE OF AN OFFICE FOR THE ORGANIZATIONS?
>> MISS BASSI KELLETT, BIT OF THE PROGRAMMING.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ABSOLUTELY. IT'S NOT MEANT AS A SHELTER, IT IS MEANT FOR PROGRAMMING TO SUPPORT THE WORK OF HOMEBASE.
THEY ALSO HAVE PART OF THE SPACE THAT WILL OF COURSE, BE USED BY THE YWCA FOR PROGRAMMING AS WELL.
I'LL SEE IF MR. WHITE HAS ANYTHING THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO ADD BECAUSE, OF COURSE, THE HOMELESSNESS MANDATE FALLS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY SERVICES AND HE WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN WORKING WITH THIS. GRANT, OVER TO YOU.
>> THANK YOU. MS. BASSI KELLETT? YES. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT WILL BE FOR SOME ONGOING PROGRAMS, CERTAINLY NOT FOR A SHELTER OF ANY SORT, MORE OF PROGRAMMING TO HELP THE YOUTH UP AND A SHARED SPACE WITH THE YWCA FOR FAMILIES AS WELL. THANK YOU.
>> IT SOUNDS LIKE THE FOCUS IS STILL CHILDREN AND YOUTH, BUT SOMETIMES FAMILIES MIGHT COME THERE AS A WHOLE, BUT THE FOCUS OF ALL OF THE PROGRAMMING IS STILL YOUNGER PEOPLE.
I'M SEEING NODDING HEADS, THERE.
>> THINK ABOUT MORE OF THE FOCUS TO CONSIDER THE YWCA.
>> YEAH. NOW THOSE ARE THE MAIN QUESTIONS I HAVE SO FAR.
I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSAL THERE.
>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL, COUNCIL COLLAR.
>> THANK YOU. I KNOW OUR PREVIOUS ONES WERE 10 AND 10S, THE REASON WHY WE WENT TO FIVE-YEAR LEASE WITH A FIVE-YEAR RULE INSTEAD OF 10 AND 10 LIKE WE DID LAST TIME.
>> I WILL ASK MR. WHITE TO RESPOND TO THIS, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING AND OF COURSE, HE WILL PROVE ME WRONG IF I'M JUST DELUSIONAL, IS THAT 10 YEARS IS A LONG TIME, AND SO WE CERTAINLY KNOW THAT IN THE LIFE OF ORGANIZATIONS, IN THE NGO WORLD THAT ORGANIZATIONS DO NEED A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME TO BE ABLE TO SETTLE IN, SET UP THEIR PROGRAMMING BASE.
BUT 10 YEARS IS A LONG WINDOW WITH THE OPTION TO RENEW.
WE FOUND 20 YEARS HAVE GONE BY WITHOUT AN OPEN AND TRANSPARENT PROCESS.
FIVE YEARS IS SOMETHING THAT IS SEEKING TO BALANCE OUT THAT NEED TO GIVE SOME LONGEVITY TO DETERMINE THE LEASE, WHILE ALSO BEING MINDFUL THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ALWAYS RELEVANT TO THE COMMUNITY'S NEEDS.
>> NOT REALLY ANYTHING TO ADD JUST TO REITERATE THAT THERE'S QUITE A DEMAND FOR AREAS OR SPACES LIKE THIS WITHIN THE NGOS THAT PROVIDE THESE SERVICES.
THE IDEA IS TO NOT REALLY LOCK-UP FACILITY FOR 20 YEARS, BUT TO HAVE MORE OF AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHER ORGANIZATIONS TO EXPRESS INTERESTS AS WELL. THANK YOU.
>> THE CURRENT, I MEAN PREVIOUSLY, THEY HAD A VERY YOUTH FOCUSED PROGRAMMING THAT RAN OUT OF THAT BUILDING.
IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT IT IS SAME THIS TIME AROUND AM I MISTAKEN, AM I NOT SEEING SOMETHING THERE? WELL, I GUESS I LIKED IT WHEN IT WAS A YOUTH FOCUSED.
I THINK THAT THAT IS A GOOD PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO PUT TIME AND ENERGY, AS IN TO USE TO TRY TO ENSURE THAT THEY DON'T EXPERIENCE HOMELESSNESS AND GET SKILLS SO THAT THEY NEVER DO, PROGRAMMING WHEREVER THAT MIGHT BE.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT IS GOING TO BE THEIR FOCUS AND IF IT'S NOT, DO YOU HAVE ANY OPTIONS TO ENSURE THAT THE YOUTH ARE GETTING THE PROGRAMMING AND THE SERVICES AND THE PLACES THAT THEY NEED?
>> I THINK THE FOCUS IS YOUTH AND FAMILIES.
FAMILIES MORE ON THE YWCA SIDE, THAT WAS TOUGH ONE.
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YOUTH ON THE SIDEDOOR, WHICH IS GOING TO SOON BECOME HOMEBASE.BUT MISS BASSI KELLETT, YOU CAN ELABORATE ON THE PROGRAMMING.
>> THANKS VERY MUCH. YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY.
HOMEBASE IS STILL RESPONDING TO IN PROVIDING SERVICES FOR YOUTH IN THE COMMUNITY.
THEY'VE JUST CHANGED THEIR NAME.
WITH THAT, THE YWCA AS WELL BEING ABLE TO COLLABORATE, THERE IS SOME OVERLAP IN THE PROGRAMMING AND THAT THEY CAN STILL USE THE SPACE, THE FIRST, SECOND FLOORS TO MAKE SURE THAT BOTH THOSE ORGANIZATIONS ARE ABLE TO SUPPORT THEIR RESPECTIVE CLIENT BASE.
Y BEING MOSTLY WOMEN WITH YOUNG FAMILIES AND OF COURSE, HOMEBASE BEING YOUTH RELATED.
>> THANK YOU. MISS BASSI KELLETT.
NO, NOTHING THAT YOU'RE MISSING.
I WOULD JUST ADD THAT IT'S CONTINUING AS A RESOURCE CENTER FOR YOUTH AND FAMILIES.
THERE'S NO INTENT TO DROP ANY PROGRAMMING FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND THROUGH THIS PROCESS AS WELL AS THE CAB PROCESS.
SOME OF THE PROGRAMMING AND SERVICES WILL BE OFFERED THROUGH, SORRY, I DON'T REMEMBER THE NEW NAME BUT IT'S THE OLD HOPESEVEN.
I THINK THAT HAS BEEN REBRANDED AS WELL, AS WELL THE SITE FOR THE MINE RESCUE BUILDING. THANKS.
>> WELL, I THINK THAT'S REALLY GREAT TO HEAR.
I WOULD ACTUALLY THINK THAT I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF A 10 AND 10.
TELL YOU THE TRUTH, I THINK THAT SURE ORGANIZATIONS THEY FLUCTUATE WITH FUNDING.
THEY DON'T HAVE SOLID FUNDING ARRANGEMENTS IN PLACE.
MOST OF THESE TYPES OF ORGANIZATIONS, THOUGH THEY'RE SCRAMBLING FOR CASH EVERY YEAR.
THEY HAD A FACILITY, BUT THEY KNEW THAT THEY HAD LOCKED UP FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME, TWO DECADES THAT'S EXTENDED I THINK.
I THINK THAT THAT MIGHT JUST GIVE THEM ONE LESS THING THAT HAD TO THINK ABOUT IN FIVE YEARS INSTEAD OF HAVING TO DO A RENEWAL.
I THINK THAT IT WOULD PERHAPS GIVE THEM MORE ENERGY TO FOCUS ON THEIR PROGRAMMING, WHICH IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
I'M HAPPY TO DO THE FIVE, BUT IF THERE IS APPETITE, I WOULD CERTAINLY SUPPORT A 10.
>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? COUNCIL MORSE?
>> THANKS, JUST WANTED TO KNOW THAT I'M CERTAINLY IN SUPPORT OF US GRANTING THE LEAST TO THIS ORGANIZATION AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEE THEM GET TO WORK.
>> THANK YOU. I WILL BE SUPPORTING.
IT IS WELL AND I THINK I PREFER THE FIVE AND FIVE TO PROVIDE THAT 10 YEAR.
I DO THINK THAT THE 20-YEAR A LOT CAN CHANGE AND PERHAPS OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS A NEW ORGANIZATION COMES UP.
I THINK HAVING A BIT OF THAT FLEXIBILITY, BUT ALSO BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE A BIT OF CONTINUITY FOR THE ORGANIZATIONS.
THIS STRIKES THAT BALANCE SO PROVIDING UP TO 10 YEARS OF A LEASE SO I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION AS PRESENTED.
SEEING NOTHING FURTHER, WE WILL BRING THIS FORWARD TO BE APPROVED AT OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH IS MONDAY, JUNE 28TH, AT 7:00 PM.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA COUNSELOR PAYNE, YOU CAN COME BACK,
[6. A presentation regarding Amenities on City Parks and Lands.]
IS A PRESENTATION REGARDING MELODIES ON CITY PARKS AND LANDS.MISS BASE CAHELICAL, TURN IT OVER TO YOU.
>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH MADAM CHAIR.
RECENTLY, COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL RECALL THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN ASKED WHERE'S SPORTS PLACE IN TOWN IF IT COULD PLACE PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTY, C COUNTS FOR STORAGE AND FOR CHANGE ROOMS AT THE SITE OF ONE OF THE CITY-OWNED FIELDS THAT THE GROUP DOES USE REGULARLY ALONG WITH OTHER SITES THAT IT USES.
TODAY, ADMINISTRATION WANTED TO PRESENT AN OVERVIEW TO GPC ON CITY PARKS AND ON LAND USE, INCLUDING CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT AROUND THE PUBLIC USE OF CITY LANDS SO THAT COUNCIL CAN UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT FOR THIS RECENT REQUEST.
ON THAT NOTE, I WILL TURN THINGS OVER TO MR. WHITE, WHO WILL MAKE THE PRESENTATION ON CITY PARKS AND LABS.
>> THANK YOU, MISS BESSIE AND GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR AND GPC MEMBERS.
THE FOLLOWING PRESENTATION HAS PROVIDED INFORMATION TO COUNCIL THAT WAS BASED ON A PRESENTATION THAT WAS RECEIVED FROM THE SUN DOG ORGANIZATION.
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AS MISS BARCEY CARLA MENTIONED, FOR SOME AMENITIES TO BE PLACED ON THE SOCCER FIELD AND TO ST. JOE'S.IT ALSO PROMPTED A DISCUSSION BY COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR THE INCLUSION OF POTTA PATTIES IN CITY PARKS AND PLAYGROUNDS.
JUST FOR CLARITY, WHAT I REFERRED TO AMENITIES IN THIS CONTEXT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POTTA PATTIES, STORAGE CONTAINERS AND TRAILERS FOR CHANGE ROOMS. I'M JUST GOING FOR THE SLIGHT CHANGE, THANK YOU.
CURRENTLY THE CITY HAS A NUMBER OF ARRANGEMENTS WHERE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE ACCESS TO AMENITIES IN A PARTICULAR PART AND IN MOST CASES THAT HAVE PROVIDED THESE AT THEIR OWN EXPENSES.
THESE ARE TYPICALLY ADMINISTERED THROUGH EITHER A LETTER OF UNDERSTANDING, A LEASE, OR IN SOME CASES AN OPERATING AGREEMENT.
EACH IS UNIQUE, HOWEVER, THERE ARE COMMONALITIES DETAILING RESPONSIBILITIES FOR MAINTENANCE, REMOVAL OF ITEMS WHEN THE LEASE IS OVER, AND OPERATIONAL COSTS, AND ANY FEES THAT MAY BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE AGREEMENT.
THE CITY HAS ALSO PARTNERED WITH ORGANIZATIONS IN DIFFERENT WAYS BY DRAWING ON THEIR EXPERTISE FOR DESIGN AND ONGOING PROGRAMS. COUNCILS OF THE TIME I HAVE APPROVED THE ARRANGEMENTS WHERE REQUIRED OR IF SUPPORTED THROUGH CAPITAL INVESTMENTS.
EACH OF THE CURRENT ARRANGEMENTS ALSO HAVE AN EXCLUSIVE USE ARRANGEMENTS TO ONE DEGREE OR ANOTHER.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE SPORTS FIELDS AND FAMOUS BALL GAMES ARE EXCLUSIVE USE MAY TO SEPTEMBER FOR FASTBALL AND SLOPE IT'S ASSOCIATIONS.
THE TENNIS COURTS ARE SHARED WITH THE PUBLIC, BUT THE CLUB HOUSE IS FOR CLUB PURPOSES OWN.
FOLK ON THE ROCKS UTILIZES THE MONTH OF JULY TO PREPARE AND HOST THE SITE AT THE FESTIVAL, WITH THE REMAINING MONTHS BEING AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC USE.
THERE ARE OFTEN MEMBERSHIP REQUIREMENTS FOR MOST OF THESE AREAS, BUT SOME ALSO ALLOW FOR PUBLIC USE ON A FEE-FOR-SERVICE BASIS.
THE MOST RECENT REQUESTS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE MINIS, AS WAS JUST MENTIONED IS FOR A CHANGE ROOM, WHICH IS A TRAILER OF SOME SORT.
A SEA CAN STORAGE AREA AS WELL AS A PORTA POTTY ON THE SPORTS FIELD OF ADJACENT TO SAINT JOSEPH SCHOOL.
THIS MOST RECENT REQUEST IS UNIQUE COMPARED TO SOME OF THE OTHERS.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE REQUEST HAS COME FROM AN INDIVIDUAL, NOT AN ORGANIZATION, AND ITS FOR PRIVATELY OWNED AMENITIES.
WITH THOSE ALSO A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, IS THAT THIS REQUEST CANNOT RESULT IN THE EXCLUSIVE USE OF THE SPORTS FIELD AS IT'S THE ARRANGEMENT FOR THE BALL CLUBS.
DUE TO THE FIELDS BEING A LIMITED RESOURCE, IT HAS SEVERAL COMPETING USER GROUPS ON THE SAME SHARED FACILITY.
THE PROPOSAL OCCASION OF THE CHANGE ROOMS, AS INDICATED IN THE SKETCH AND THE STORAGE FACILITY IS ADJACENT TO THE STREET WORK PARK, WHICH REQUIRES OPEN VISITORS AND VIEWS FROM ALL ASPECTS.
IF THE WISH OF COUNCIL IS TO PROCEED WITH INCREASING THE SERVICE LEVELS AT CITY OWNED AND OPERATED SPORTS FIELDS, BALL GAMES AND PLAYGROUNDS, CONSIDERATION SHOULD BE GIVEN TO A FEW ITEMS. FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH FACILITIES WILL BE CONSIDERED? ARE THEY ALL CITY-OWNED OR SPORTS FIELDS AND BALL GAMES, AS WELL AS THE PLAYGROUNDS? DEPENDING ON THE SCALE OF THE AMENITIES, CAPITAL FUNDS MAY BE REQUIRED, ADDITIONAL STAFF RESOURCES OR THE SHIFTING OF PRIORITIES WILL BE REQUIRED, AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL OPERATIONAL COSTS WILL CERTAINLY BE INCURRED.
WITH THE INCREASE IN SERVICE, SHOULD THERE BE AN INCREASE IN THE USER FEES AS WELL? IF THOUGHT IS BEING GIVEN TO ASSOCIATIONS PROVIDING THEIR OWN AMENITIES THEN THERE ARE ITEMS TO CONSIDER UNDER THIS MODEL AS WELL.
THE CITY HAS ENTERED INTO LICENSE AGREEMENTS AND LETTERS OF UNDERSTANDING WITH REGISTERED ORGANIZATIONS AS INDICATED PREVIOUSLY, AND WITH THE SAME CONSIDERATION BE GIVEN TO INDIVIDUALS OR NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS.
ONGOING, MAINTENANCE OF AMENITIES MAY NOT BE THAT SAME STANDARDS AS THE CITY.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE CITY'S GOAL IS TO RESPOND TO VANDALISM WITHIN A 24 HOUR PERIOD.
IT'LL BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR OTHERS TO MEET THE SAME STANDARD.
CONSIDERATION HAS TO BE GIVEN TO THE NUMBER OF AMENITIES AT EACH OUTDOOR FACILITY AS WELL.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF NOT PROVIDED BY THE CITY, WOULD EACH ORGANIZATION BE GRANTED THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE THE ROLE AND STORAGE, CHANGE AND PORTA PATTY OR IS THE EXPECTATION THAT THERE WOULD BE A SHARED AGREEMENT AMONGST THE GROUPS.
ANY ADDITIONS TO SPECIFIC PARKS WILL HAVE TO MEET A STANDARD OF CARE FOR BOTH MAINTENANCE AND AESTHETICS.
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ANY FORMAL AGREEMENT WILL ADDRESS DAMAGES THAT MAY OCCUR WITHIN THE CITY OR TO THE CITY INFRASTRUCTURE, AS WELL AS THE REMOVAL OF ITEMS AT THE END OF THE AGREEMENT.AS MOST OF US ARE AWARE, THERE ARE REMNANTS OF A PAST LEASE AGREEMENT THAT THE CITY HAD ENTERED INTO IT AN ORGANIZATION WITH AND THE CITY IS NOW RESPONSIBLE FOR REMOVING THOSE ITEMS. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY FAR FROM WHERE THE IDEAL SCENARIO IS AND WE WANT TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO AVOID THE SITUATION FROM RE-OCCURRING.
LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE AND A POSSIBLE SCENARIO IS THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED COAL MINE AREA AS AN OUTDOOR RECREATIONAL FACILITY.
THE 10 YEAR PLAN HAS ALLOCATED FUNDING FROM 2024-2027, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS AREA.
THE SKETCH IS, OF COURSE, JUST A CONCEPT TO HIGHLIGHT THE NUMBER OF COMPONENTS THAT CAN BE INCLUDED IN THE AREA.
HOWEVER, THE INCLUSION OF AMENITIES SUCH AS WASH ROOMS, CHANGE ROOMS, AND STORAGE AREAS WILL CERTAINLY RECEIVE STRONG CONSIDERATION.
THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION OF THE INFORMATION, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. BEFORE WE JUMP TO QUESTIONS, MR. JOE ACORN HAS JOINED US TODAY.
JOE, DID YOU WANT TO PROVIDE ANY COMMENTS BEFORE WE BEGIN REGULAR DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL?
>> I WASN'T REALLY SURE WHAT COUNCIL OR THE ADMINISTRATION WAS GOING TO SAY, SO I DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING PREPARED THEY'RE JUST COMING OFF THE TOP MY HEAD.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR WILL BE SIMILAR TO WHAT THE TENNIS CLUB HAS, IN THAT THE TENNIS COURT IS A CITY FACILITY, BUT THEIR TENNIS CLUB HAS EXCLUSIVE USE TO THE CLUBHOUSE, WHICH I'M ASSUMING THEY PAY FOR IT, I DON'T KNOW ALL THE HISTORY THERE IS.
AS FOR THE OTHER ISSUES YOU BROUGHT UP, MAINTENANCE ISSUES, THERE'S NO COST INVOLVED IN WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY MONEY FROM THE CITY FOR CAPITAL COSTS OR OPERATING COSTS, MAINTENANCE COSTS, NOTHING LIKE THAT.
THIS IS ENTIRELY SELF FUNDED BY US.
I'M NOT SURE WHETHER THE SUGGESTION OF THIS IS COMING FROM INDIVIDUALS, I MEAN, THIS IS COMING FROM ME, BUT ON BEHALF OF THE SOCCER CLUB WHICH REPRESENTS ABOUT 200 KIDS.
THIS IS A GROUP THAT'S WANTING TO DO THIS.
JUST FOR STANDARDS FOR DEVELOPMENT, THERE WILL BE ARCHER TRAILERS, I'VE LOOKED AT A NUMBER OF THEM OVER THE LAST NUMBER OF MONTHS WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR THIS TO BE RESOLVED.
SOME OF THE ONES I'VE LOOKED AT WOULD NEED TO BE PAINTED, WHICH IS FINE.
WE'LL PAINT THEM, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE IN GOOD SHAPE, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE MAINTAINED IN GOOD SHAPE.
ONE OF THE THINGS I HAVE ALREADY LOOKED IN DOING IS I'VE ALREADY GOT A QUOTE FROM PAUL BROTHERS WELDING, TO PUT GUARDS OVER ALL THE WINDOWS AND ALL THE DOORS TO PREVENT BREAK-INS, TO PREVENT BALLS FROM HITTING THE WINDOWS AND BREAKING THE GLASS, AND IF ANYTHING EVER DO HAPPEN, WE'D CERTAINLY CLEAN IT UP AS FAST AS WE COULD.
AS FAR AS DAMAGES TO CITY INFRASTRUCTURE, I DON'T SEE HOW THERE WOULD BE ANYTHING POSSIBLE FROM WHAT IT IS WE'RE TRYING TO DO, AND AS FAR AS ABANDONED STRUCTURES, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING PERMANENT.
IT'S A SKID SHOCK, A SEA CAN AND A PORTA POTTY.
ALL THREE OF THEM CAN BE PICKED UP AND REMOVED WITHIN TWO HOURS.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE PUTTING FOUNDATIONS OR DRIVING PILES INTO THE GROUND.
THESE ARE ALL THREE TEMPORARY FACILITIES.
WHILE I APPRECIATE WHAT THE CITY IS SAYING WITH THE COAL MINE FACILITY, I'VE ALSO BEEN HEARING ABOUT THE COAL MINE FACILITY FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS NOW AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S NO CLOSER NOW THAN IT WAS 10 YEARS AGO.
THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY WE'RE COMING FORWARD WITH THIS AS THE FRUSTRATION THAT WE NEVER SEEM TO GET ANY CLOSER WITH HAVING THESE FACILITIES ACTUALLY GET DEVELOPED.
IF THERE'S A NEED TO CONSIDER THIS A TEMPORARY OPTION TO FILL A GAP UNTIL THE FACILITY IS THERE, THAT'S FINE WITH US.
IF YOU WANT TO PUT A LETTER OF UNDERSTANDING WHICH SAYS, HEY, WE'LL BE PAYING A CERTAIN AMOUNT PER YEAR FOR THIS RIGHT,'' THAT'S FINE WITH ME.
IF THERE'S A FINE FROM LEAVING THINGS ON SITE WHEN YOU TELL US TO GET IT OFF, THAT IS FINE WITH US.
WE'LL TAKE CARE OF OUR RESPONSIBILITIES.
BUT THERE'S A GAP HERE RIGHT NOW THAT EXISTS RIGHT NOW FOR A LOT OF KIDS; NOT BEING ABLE TO GO TO THE BATHROOM, NOT HAVING STORAGE, AND NOT HAVING A PLACE TO CHANGE.
IT'S A GAP IN THE CITY'S FACILITIES RIGHT NOW, AND SOMETHING WE WANT TO FILL.
THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY RIGHT NOW, BUT AS I SAID, I DIDN'T COME HERE PREPARED TO REALLY DEBATE THIS WITH ANYBODY, BUT I'M HERE WITH ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING.
>> FOR SURE. NO, THAT'S EXACTLY.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. ACORN BEFORE WE GO INTO GENERAL DELIBERATIONS? COUNCIL MORGAN?
>> THANKS. I DON'T KNOW IF ADMINISTRATION CAN ALSO WEIGH IN HERE, BUT IF ADMINISTRATION REQUIRED SOME SECURITY DEPOSIT OR SOMETHING, IF WE DECIDED HOW MUCH IT MIGHT COST, SAY THE FACILITY WAS ABANDONED OR THE CITY NEEDED TO REMOVE IT, AT THE END OF THE DAY, SOMETHING HAPPENED TO THE CLUB AND DISAPPEARED, WHATEVER, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE CLUB WOULD CONSIDER OR BE ABLE TO CONSIDER AS SOME KIND OF SECURITY DEPOSIT?
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>> THIS IS JOE, YEAH, THAT'S NO PROBLEM FOR ME. I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THAT AT ALL.
>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I GUESS MY FEW QUESTIONS, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT WILLIAM MAC, RANGE LAKE AND ST. JOE'S, AND EVERY YEAR THE USER GROUPS MEET AND WORK ON THEIR SCHEDULING, IF YOUR ORGANIZATION IS THEN ALLOCATED TO THE FIELDS OF WILLIAM MAC AND RANGE LAKE, DO YOU FORESEE IT BEING AN ISSUE SINCE YOUR STORAGE UNIT'S AT ST. JOE'S?
>> NO, THAT'S WHY WE'RE TALKING TO THE CITY ABOUT THIS.
IT'S BECAUSE, THE FIELD THEY USE THE MOST IS ST. JOE'S, SO IT'S THE ONE WE WANT TO EQUIP RIGHT NOW WITH THE BEST FACILITIES.
WE DO EVENTUALLY WANT TO HAVE STORAGE AT WILLIAM MAC, BUT THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE RIGHT NOW, WHERE WILLIAM MAC HAS ALL THE SYSTEM STUDENTS BECAUSE OF THE PORTABLES THAT ARE THERE.
ONCE THOSE PORTABLES ARE REMOVED AND SYSTEMS IS CONSTRUCTED, I DO WANT TO TALK TO YK1 ABOUT PUTTING STORAGES IN THAT FIELD AS WELL.
IT'LL BE GREAT TO HAVE STORAGE AT RANGE LAKE, THE PROBLEM IS THERE'S REALLY NOT ANY ROOM.
IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN IN THAT FIELD BASICALLY, THE FORCE COMES RIGHT UP TO THE EDGE OF THE FIELD.
THERE REALLY ISN'T ANY PLACE TO PUT A SEA CAN, BUT IF I CAN GET ONE AT WILLIAM MAC IN THE FUTURE YEARS, THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD INTEND TO PURSUE WITH YK1.
>> THEN THE OTHER CHALLENGE IS THE NUMBER OF DIFFERENT USER GROUPS.
THERE'S THE SUNDOGS, AND GALAXY, AND NWT SOCCER HOLDS DAY CAMPS AND THE ULTIMATE AND CRICKET, ETC.
SO IF ALL USER GROUPS ASKED FOR THEIR AMENITIES ON THE FIELD, IT WOULD START TO GET CRAMPED.
DO YOU FORESEE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A USER AGREEMENT WITH ALL OF THE FIELD USERS?
>> AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING IN A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS AS I'VE SAID LAST TIME AROUND.
WE DID SOMETHING WHERE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR FACILITIES ARE PROTECTED AND EVERYTHING WOULD BE OPENED UP.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO SHARE OUR TRAINING EQUIPMENT WITH OUR COMPETITORS.
THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS WE CAN SHARE, AND THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS WE'RE NOT GOING TO SHARE.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, TO MAKE THE POINT AGAIN, DOING THIS WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR, EXPECTING ANY WAY THAT THE FIELD WILL BE EXCLUSIVE USE TO US.
WE EXPECT FIELD ALLOCATIONS WILL CONTINUE ON THE SAME WAY THEY ALWAYS WERE, GIVING THIS TO US WILL NOT AFFECT ANY OTHER USER GROUP'S ABILITY TO USE THAT FIELD.
IF ANY OF THOSE OTHER USERS WHO WANT TO COME TO US AND ASK US TO USE THE PORTA POTTY OR THE CLUB HOUSE, OR THEY WANT TO BORROW SOME OF OUR EQUIPMENT, THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT'S POSSIBLE, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING FOR US TO DEAL WITH ON A ONE-TO-ONE BASIS WITH THOSE USER GROUPS.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. ACORN BEFORE WE JUMP INTO COMMENTS AND DELIBERATIONS. COUNCIL MORGAN?
>> THANKS. ON THE POINT ABOUT THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF THE SEA CAN OR PORTA POTTY, OR STORAGE UNIT, I GUESS ADMINISTRATION HAD EXPRESSED CONCERNS THAT IT WOULD BE BLOCKING VIEWS TO THE SKATEBOARD PARK AND CREATING SOME RISK OR DANGERS THERE.
WERE ALTERNATIVE LOCATIONS AROUND THE FIELD CONSIDERED, OR DISCUSSED IN TERMS OF LOCATIONS THAT WILL ACCESS OUR VIEWS TO THE SKATEBOARD PARK?
>> HONESTLY, I FIND THAT COMMENT A LITTLE BIT ODD, BECAUSE WHERE THE CITY ADMINISTRATION ACTUALLY SUGGESTED THAT I PUT IT ALSO WOULD HAVE BLOCKED THE VIEW.
IF YOU CAN SEE THE PRESENTATION WITH THE MAP THAT WE HAD PROVIDED THERE, CAN YOU GUYS ALL SEE THAT?
>> WE HAVE IT IN OUR PACKAGES, SO YEAH.
>> IF YOU LOOK OVER, YOU CAN SEE THE SKATE PARK THERE.
IF YOU LOOK TO THE RIGHT AND DOWN FROM THE SKATE PARK IN THE AREA BETWEEN THE SKATE PARK AND THE BASKETBALL COURT, THAT WAS WHERE CITY ADMINISTRATION ORIGINALLY SUGGESTED AND AGREED THAT WE COULD PUT IT IN THERE.
IN THAT, AGAIN, IS BLOCKING THE VIEWS TO THE SKATE PARK, BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT IT'S ALSO OUTSIDE OF THE FENCED AREA TO THE SOCCER FIELD.
THAT'S A REAL PROBLEM, AND ALSO DON'T REALLY REFLECT HOW ARE WE GOING TO USE THIS FACILITY.
IF YOU LOOK AT THAT TRIANGLE BETWEEN THE PORTA POTTY OVER TO THE SOCCER NET AND THEN DOWN INTO THE LEFT CORNER OF THE FIELD, THAT IS AN AREA WHEN THE KIDS COME ON THE FIELD, COME OFF THE FIELD, THAT'S WHERE THEY SIT ON THE GRASS.
WHEN WE HOST MINI WORLD CUP TOURNAMENTS, THAT'S WHERE WE HOST THOSE TOURNAMENTS, THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE OUR CANTEEN SETUP.
THAT IS REALLY THE AREA OF THE FIELD THAT'S GETS USED IN A NON PLAYING WAY, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S OVER THERE WHERE IT IS.
CERTAINLY, THERE IS SPACE IF YOU TAKE THE SKID SHOCK, IF YOU PUT IT SOUTH IN FRONT OF THE PORTA POTTY AND RUN IT DOWN THE FENCE LINE, THERE IS ROOM THERE TO PUT IT THERE ALONG THE ROAD SIDE, AND THEN THE SEA CAN COULD FIT SOMEWHERE IN THAT CORNER THERE.
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THERE'S CERTAINLY ROOM TO FLIP IT AROUND TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT TRIANGLE IF IT DOESN'T WANT TO GO ALONG THAT ONE FENCE LINE, BUT HONESTLY, WHERE I PUT IT REALLY, IS WHERE IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE IN TERMS OF HOW IT WILL BE USED AND HOW IT FITS WITH THE SOCCER FIELD, MAKE SURE IT'S WELL BACK FROM THE PLAYING AREA AND EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT.>> BUT IS YOUR ANSWER THAT YOU WOULD BE OPEN TO VARIOUS ALTERNATIVE LOCATIONS OR THAT YOU'RE CONVINCED THAT THAT IS THE LOCATION?
>> NO. LIKE I SAID, IF YOU WANTED TO MOVE IT OVER TOWARDS ALONG THE ROADSIDE AND ACTUALLY IF YOU GO ALL THE WAY DOWN THE ROAD, ALONG THAT SIDE, DOWN TO THE CORNER OF RANGE LAKE ROAD, THERE'S ROOM FOR IT TO FIT ALL THE WAY DOWN THERE AS WELL AS THE PLAYING SURFACE IS FAR ENOUGH AWAY TO THE FENCE THAT IT CAN EASILY FIT THERE, SO ANYWHERE ALONG THAT FENCE LINE ALONG THE ROAD, THAT'S FINE WITH ME, I HAVE NO PROBLEM THERE, I REALLY DO NOT WANT IT OVER WHERE THE CITY ADMINISTRATION FIRST SUGGESTED IT BETWEEN THE SKATE PARK AND THE BASKETBALL COURT, BECAUSE THAT IS AN AREA THAT WOULD SIMPLY BE A MAGNET FOR VANDALISM.
IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE SECURE AREA AND IT WOULD BE BEAT DOWN.
I DON'T WANT TO BE ANYTHING OVER IN THAT AREA BETWEEN THE SKATE PARK AND THE BASKETBALL COURT.
ANYTHING ELSE, ALONG THAT SIDE, ALONG THE ROAD, WOULD BE FINE.
>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSES THERE, FOR SHOWING UP TODAY TO THE MEETING.
>> THANK YOU. SEEING NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, WE WILL MOVE INTO DISCUSSION, QUESTIONS, DELIBERATIONS FROM COUNCIL.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? COUNCIL KONGE.
>> YEAH, THANKS. THESE ARE ALWAYS TOUGH BECAUSE WE ALWAYS HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT ARRANGEMENTS WITH GROUPS FROM THE CURLING CLUB THROUGH GYMNASTICS CLUB, TO THE SKI CLUB.
WE HAVE REALLY NO TEMPLATE ON HOW THESE WOULD GO.
I HEAR WHAT JOE'S SAYING BUT HE HASN'T CONVINCED ME IN WHAT HE'S SAYING THAT IS GOING THERE FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY, IT SOUNDS MORE LIKE IT'S FOR HIS GROUP OF SOCCER PLAYERS AND IF THEY DECIDE THEY'LL MAYBE LET SOMEBODY IN THERE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] COUNCIL KONGE, YOU'RE CUTTING.
>> [INAUDIBLE] YOU LOOK AT ALL THEIR FACILITIES.
I'VE GOT THAT TO A COUNCIL MEETING LATER?
>> WHAT WAS THAT SIR? YEAH, YOUR INTERNET.
MAYBE IF YOU TRY TO TURN OFF YOUR CAMERA YOU'LL GET A BIT MORE.
BUT WE CAN CIRCLE BACK IF YOUR INTERNET'S COMING BACK UP THERE.
I'VE GOT COUNCIL MORRIS AND THEN COUNCIL MUFANDAEDZA.
SORRY, YOUR MUTE WENT BACK ON.
>> CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? AWESOME. SORRY ABOUT THAT.
SORRY. I'M GOING TO QUICKLY ASK A QUESTION.
OUR INTERNET'S VERY BAD AND I'M REALLY HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING.
JUST A QUICK QUESTION TO ADMINISTRATION.
I DID HEAR JOE WONDER IF THE POSITION OF THE SEA CANS OR THE STORAGE WERE TO BE SHIFTED SHOULD BE ALONG THE ROAD.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT ADMINISTRATION WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH?
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
THE ISSUES STILL REMAIN ABOUT ONE CLUB THAT'S NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ENTIRE SPORT HAVING SPACE ON A FIELD, AND THAT'S A BIG PART OF OUR CONCERN.
I WILL ASK MR. WHITE IF HE COULD SPEAK TO THE SPECIFIC LOCATION.
>> THANKS, MS. BASSI-KELLETT. IT'S DIFFICULT WITHOUT REALLY A STRETCH OR MAYBE EVEN MORE IDEALLY IS TO GO OUT THERE AND HAVE A LOOK IS TO SEE THE DISRUPTION THAT THAT LOCATION WOULD HAVE TO
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BOTH SEEING THE SKATEBOARD PARK, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THE MEDIA OFFICERS WHEN THEY'RE DRIVING UP OR DRIVING AROUND THE AREA.ALSO, I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND IF IT'S INSIDE THE FENCE OR OUTSIDE THE FENCE.
CERTAINLY, WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING THAT IS GOING TO BE INSIDE THE FENCE THAT IS ON THE CURRENT [INAUDIBLE] AREA.
WE WANT TO KEEP THAT OUTSIDE OF THE AREA WHERE WE MAINTAIN AND WE'VE PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT.
AS YOU GUYS PROBABLY KNOW, AS YOU DRIVE PAST THAT FACILITY IN MAINTAINING TO SUCH A HIGH STANDARD. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
LAST WEEK I DID DRIVE BY THE AREA JUST TO GET A VIEW OF THE SKATE PARK, AND WHERE THE SEA CANS WOULD BE PROPOSED TO BE PLACED.
I DID SEE THE CONCERN ON COVERING UP THE VIEW FROM THE ROAD AS WELL AS COMING IN FROM THE APARTMENT BUILDING.
I'M WONDERING, MAYBE I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE ASKED THE CLUB IF THERE WAS ANY POSSIBILITY THAT THEY WOULD CONSIDER THE CITY'S PROPOSAL ON PUTTING IT OUTSIDE THE FENCE.
I KNOW THAT THEY SAID IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, BUT BASED ON THE ARGUMENT OF MAKING SURE THAT WE DO MAINTAIN THE SIDE.
I HAVE DRIVEN BY THE SKATE PARK.
I'VE SEEN FEW OFFICERS THERE AND IT SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF ACTION THAT HAPPENS WITHIN THAT AREA.
I HAVE NO OTHER COMMENT, BUT I REALLY WANTED TO SEE THIS GO THROUGH, BUT WONDERING ABOUT THE POSITIONING OF THE SEA CANS.
>> [OVERLAPPING] IF THE DIRECTION IS THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE ADMINISTRATION TO WORK WITH THE PROPONENT ON A REVISED DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, THAT CAN BE THE RECOMMENDATION FROM COUNCIL.
THIS ISN'T A CONDITIONALLY PERMITTED USE, THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT PERMIT THAT'S IN THE PURVIEW OF ADMINISTRATION.
[NOISE] THE RECOMMENDATION FROM COUNCIL COULD BE TO WORK WITH THE PROPONENT ON DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.
>> COUNCIL KONGE, DO YOU WANT TO TRY NOW?
[NOISE] I GUESS I'LL START RIGHT OVER BECAUSE PROBABLY NOBODY HEARD ANYTHING.
THE CHALLENGE THAT I HAVE WITH ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT USER GROUPS THAT COME FORWARD IS WE DON'T HAVE A TEMPLATE FOR ANY OF THEM.
ALMOST EVERY USER GROUP HAS A DIFFERENT ARRANGEMENT.
FOR ME, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AND THE DIFFERENT USER GROUPS, I LOOK VERY MUCH AT WHAT IS THE USER GROUP CONTRIBUTION TO THE CITY.
NOT JUST THEIR OWN GROUP, BUT AS A WHOLE.
WE HAVE THE SKI CLUB, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY HAVE A LEASE OUT THERE.
THEY FUNDRAISED, THEY BUILT A BUILDING.
THE BUILDING IS AVAILABLE FOR LEASE.
IF YOU'RE HAVING A WEDDING OR MEETINGS OR WHATEVER.
I BELIEVE THE CITY IS THE BOOKING AGENT FOR THE SKI CLUB IF I RECALL CORRECTLY.
THAT'S ONE OF THE ARRANGEMENTS THAT WE HAVE.
WE HAVE THE [INAUDIBLE] WHO HAVE PUT IN QUITE A BIT OF INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE AREA, AND THEY RUN PROGRAMMING OUT OF THERE FOR THE CITIZENS OF YELLOWKNIFE.
I'M NOT SURE IF THEY RENT OUT THEIR BUILDINGS OR NOT.
THEY'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO THE PUBLIC IF YOU'RE USING THEIR FACILITIES.
THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT ARRANGEMENTS.
I'M LOOKING AT WHAT THE CONTRIBUTION TO THE COMMUNITY IS.
WE MIGHT LEASE IT OUT IF PEOPLE AGREE TO OUR TERMS AND CONDITIONS.
IT DOESN'T SEEM TO ME LIKE THIS HAS BEEN HASHED OUT APPROPRIATELY ENOUGH REALLY TO COME TO COUNCIL AND FOR ME TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.
IF ONE OF THE OPTIONS, AS MAYOR ALTY SAYS, IS TO SEND THIS BACK TO TRY TO WORK OUT A BETTER DEVELOPMENT PERMIT AGREEMENT, A QUESTION TO THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD BE, IF ADMINISTRATION DOES THAT, WILL IT COME BACK TO COUNCIL BEFORE IT GETS APPROVED OR WHAT WOULD IT COST US IF WE SEND IT BACK?
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CURRENTLY, WHAT IS ONGOING IS A DEVELOPMENT PERMIT APPLICATION TO PLACE THIS ON A CITY-OWNED PIECE OF LAND.
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THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH RIGHT NOW, TRYING TO SEE IF THERE IS A WAY TO DO THIS THAT CAN BE LEGAL, THAT CAN BE WORKABLE WITHIN THE CONFINES OF HOW WE DEVELOP AND MAKE USE OF PUBLIC SPACE IN YELLOWKNIFE AND IF THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH A ONE-GROUP, NOT AN OVERALL GROUP REPRESENTING A SPORT HAS USED TO IT.THAT'S THE FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE.
I MEAN, THE SAMPLE PARK, OF COURSE, AS A CLUB THAT RUNS IT IS OPEN TO ALL, IN THIS CASE, THEY ARE COMPETING SOCCER INTERESTS.
THAT'S THE DILEMMA THAT WE'RE FACING RIGHT NOW.
HOW THIS CAME ABOUT, WAS THAT A DEVELOPMENT PERMIT APPLICATION HAD COME INTO THE CITY AND THAT DOES FALL WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE PLANNING OFFICER TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ON, SO THERE ISN'T SUCH THING THAT DOES COME FORWARD TO COUNCIL.
WHERE THERE IS THE INTERESTS FOR COUNCIL IS, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT SCENARIO IN THAT IT IS ONE CLUB OUT OF A GROUP OF SPORTS CLUBS THAT ARE IN A SPECIFIC SPORT THAT IS COMING FORWARD WITH THIS PROPOSAL TO US.
ABOUT WHAT JOE SAID, HE'S NOT A PRIVATE SECTOR FOR PROFIT.
THE FACT IS HIS CLUB IS NOT AN NGO, IT'S NOT A CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION UNDER THE SOCIETIES ACT OF THE NWT.
IT'S FALLING INTO A BIT OF A DIFFERENT SCENARIO FOR US THAT WAY AS WELL.
SHORT STORY BEING, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD TYPICALLY COME BACK TO COUNCIL UNLESS IT IS FOR SOME UNUSUAL USE OF CITY-OWNED LAND. THANK YOU.
>> CAN I RESPOND TO A FEW OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE SAID?
>> NO. FOR NOW, IT'S JUST COUNCIL DISCUSSION.
>> [INAUDIBLE] THANK YOU FOR THAT. I MEAN, WHAT I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS THAT WE HAVE ALL THE DIFFERENT SOFTWARE ORGANIZATIONS COME TOGETHER AND COLLECTIVELY DO A DEVELOPMENT WITH A PLAN.
BECAUSE IF THAT HAPPENED, THEN WE, AS COUNCIL MEMBERS COULD ENSURE THAT THE WHOLE SOCCER COMMUNITY IS GETTING INPUT INTO WHAT THEIR WANTS AND NEEDS ARE OVER AND ABOVE WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY PROVIDED, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET INTO THIS, "OH, YOU LET ONE SOCCER CLUB PUT IN THIS." NOW WE WANT TO PUT ONE IN.
BECAUSE IF THAT HAPPENS, I CAN SEE THERE WILL BE A WHOLE COMMUNITY OF POTTSTOWN THERE, ONE FOR EACH GROUP.
THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE IS THAT THE SOCCER COMMUNITY COME TOGETHER AND AS A GROUP DO A DEVELOPMENT PERMIT FOR SOMETHING THAT THE GROUP AS A WHOLE COULD USE, NOT JUST ONE OF THE SEVERAL CLUBS THAT THERE IS.
THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE AT THE TIME THAT I WOULD ACTUALLY LET IT DIE HERE.
HERE NOW, AND [INAUDIBLE] TO COME TOGETHER AND DO SOME JOINT SUBMISSION AND IDEA.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
>> THANK YOU. NEXT UP, I HAVE COUNCILOR PAYNE.
>> SHEILA NIELSEN ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS BUT I COULDN'T AGREE MORE WITH NIELS RIGHT NOW ON THIS, TO GET THE OTHER SOCCER GROUPS WORKING TOGETHER.
THAT WAY, THERE'S NO OWNERSHIP OF ANY ONE FACILITY BY ONE GROUP.
IT'S DONE AS A GROUP, IT'S DONE FOR THE BETTERMENT OF SOCCER IN YELLOWKNIFE, AND FOR US, THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO MOVE FORWARD. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COUNCILORS? COUNCILLOR MORNE?
>> THANKS. I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS OF MY COLLEAGUES. I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
THE WAY THIS WAS BROUGHT TO US AS A PRESENTATION AND WITH RECOMMENDATIONS, AS NIELS SAID, IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO BE MAKING COMMENTS.
BUT I MEAN, WHAT'S BEEN RAISED HERE ARE SOME LEGITIMATE POINTS AND DEFINITELY, THERE IS AN OFFER BY AT LEAST ONE COUNCILOR TO TRY AND ADDRESS THIS ISSUE WITH SOME OF OUR COVID FUNDING.
THE GENERAL ISSUE HERE IS THAT WE'VE GOT SOME FIELDS OR THE SEAS PROVIDING.
I THINK THE MAIN THING IS THE BATHROOMS. I KNOW THAT JOE'S RAISED THE NEED FOR STORAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND THAT'S AN ISSUE AS WELL.
BUT I KNOW WHAT OUR BALL FIELDS.
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WE ARE PROVIDING WASHROOMS. I KNOW THAT WE'VE LOOKED INTO IT AS PART OF THE COVID THING, BUT I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO HEAR FROM ADMINISTRATION ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT CONSIDER THIS ISSUE IN A WIDER CONTEXT.SOME OF THE COUNCILS ARE SAYING, WELL, MAYBE WE NEED A PROPOSAL FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT SOCCER ASSOCIATIONS, BUT I WONDER ABOUT THIS ISSUE OF MEETING A SERVICE AT CITY-RUN FACILITIES AND WHETHER WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT.
WE DID LOOK INTO SOME OF THE PARTIES, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
I FEEL LIKE IF THE CITY IS PROVIDING A SERVICE THROUGH A FIELD, IT STRIKES ME AS A BIT PECULIAR TO HAVE ONE ASSOCIATION OF USERS.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT SOME OF THE FIELDS ARE USED BY ULTIMATE FRISBEE AND ALL THIS STUFF.
IT'S LIKE SOCCER PLAYERS GET TO USE THE BATHROOM.
I'M WONDERING IF ADMINISTRATION COULD COMMENT ON THIS ISSUE AND HOW WE CAN ADDRESS IT.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO PUT A BIT OF A WIDER LENS ON HOW WE MIGHT ADDRESS IT.
I THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE EXISTING FIELDS, NOT WHAT WE MIGHT BUILD IN 10 YEARS WHEN ONE CON COMES ALONG, BUT WE'VE GOT EXISTING FIELDS, EXISTING USERS, AND KIDS ARE RUNNING OFF TO THE BUSHES TO USE THE BATHROOM.
THAT'S REALLY NOT THE BEST SITUATION.
I'M WONDERING IF WE CAN THINK ABOUT THIS FROM A WIDER CONTEXT.
ALL THE DIFFERENT USERS THAT USE THE FIELDS AND HOW WE MIGHT DEAL WITH THIS.
WE SEEM TO HAVE FIGURED OUT THE WASHROOMS WITH A BOLD DIAMONDS.
WHAT ARE ADMINISTRATION'S THOUGHTS ON THE REST OF IT? I SEE MAYOR ALTY SHAKING HER HEAD. I DON'T KNOW.
[OVERLAPPING] ARE WE PROVIDING THE WASHROOMS OR THE BALL FIELDS?
>> FIRST POINT IS THE REASON THAT IT'S A PRESENTATION WAS BECAUSE [INAUDIBLE] CAME TO PRESENT TO COUNCIL AND COUNCIL RECOMMENDED THAT THIS COME TO GPC FOR FURTHER DELIBERATION.
WE DIDN'T DIRECT STAFF TO DO A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
THAT BEING SAID, THEY ORIGINALLY DECLINED THE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE PRIVATE AMENITIES ON PUBLIC LAND.
BUT THIS BASICALLY CAN PROVIDE A BETTER OF CLARIFICATION AND SOME POINTS ON RECOMMENDATIONS THAT COUNCIL CAN CONSIDER.
ON WAVES WE CAN INCREASE SERVICES AT OUR SERVICE LEVEL STANDARDS.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR, AND THANKS SO MUCH, COUNSELOR MORRIS.
REALLY INTERESTING DILEMMA YOU RAISE BECAUSE I THINK THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT PUBLIC WASHROOMS ARE NOT NEW TO CITY COUNCIL.
WE'VE CERTAINLY SEEN PROPOSALS COME FORWARD ABOUT PUBLIC WASHROOMS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
WE KNOW THAT THE PUBLIC WASHROOMS IN SAMBA K, THEY'RE UNUSED.
WE DO KNOW ABOUT THE SPORTS FIELDS.
RIGHT NOW IF THERE ARE PORTA-POTTIES THAT ARE OUT AT ANY BALL DIAMOND, IT TYPICALLY THERE FOR TOURNAMENTS AND PUT THERE FOR THE DURATION OF THE TOURNAMENT BY THE TOURNAMENT ORGANIZERS.
THE CITY ITSELF DOESN'T PUT WASH ROOMS OUT AT FACILITIES LIKE THAT.
WE'VE SEEN AN ALLEGED MR. WHITE SPEAK TO THIS.
LET'S FACE IT, PORTA-POTTIES ARE TARGETS OF PRANKSTERS A LOT OF FUN TO BE HAD THERE.
WE'VE HAVE HAD SCENARIOS WHERE THERE'S BEEN QUITE A BIT OF WORK TO RESPOND TO THEM.
WE APPRECIATE THE INTEREST AND CERTAINLY IF THERE IS A DELIBERATE INTERESTS ON BEHALF OF COUNCIL AROUND THE SERVICE LEVEL, THAT WOULD BE FOR SEASONAL PARKS AND SEASONAL SPORTS FIELDS.
WE CAN DEFINITELY COME BACK TO YOU WITH THAT QUANTIFIED AMOUNT.
THAT CAN BE SOMETHING THAT'S UP FOR CONSIDERATION AT BUDGET TIME THEN.
IN THE MEANTIME I'LL ASK MR. WHITE IF HE COULD SPEAK TO ANYMORE DETAIL AROUND WASHROOMS AND PORTA-POTTIES AT SPORTS PARKS AND FIELDS.
>> THANK YOU MRS BASSI KELLETT.
PROBABLY 15-18 YEARS AGO, THE CITY PROVIDED.
WE HAD PORTA-POTTIES OWED AT PARKER PARK.
THEY WERE BURNED DOWN ON A REGULAR BASIS.
WE ACTUALLY JUST STOPPED PROVIDING THAT SERVICE THAT LONG AGO.
RECENTLY, WE'VE HEARD FROM THE [INAUDIBLE] ASSOCIATION WHO PUT SOME PORTA-POTTIES SETUP AT THAT AREA.
THEY HAVE SINCE STOPPED DOING THAT FOR THE SAME REASON.
IF WE'RE LOOKING AT CITY BALL DIAMONDS AND SPORTS FIELDS WHERE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT PARKER PARK BALL DIAMONDS AGAIN.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GREEN AREA BY FRITZ SEAL, WHICH IS A FRITZ SEAL SPORTS FIELD AS WELL AS THE ST. JOBS.
THEN AS WAS BROUGHT UP THE LAST TIME, WE HAD TO GO AROUND ON THIS IS THE VARIOUS CITY PLAYGROUNDS THAT ARE AROUND.
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I CAN'T REALLY QUITE RECALL THE NUMBER THAT WE HAVE I SHOULD BUT I CAN'T RECALL IT NOW.WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PLAYGROUNDS AND LITTLE TAUGHT LOTS.
WE WOULD REALLY NEED TO GET SOME CLEAR DEFINITION FROM COUNSELORS TO WHERE THIS SERVICE LEVEL WOULD BE REQUIRED.
THEN OF COURSE, SOME ARE MORE HIGHLY VISIBLE THAN OTHER.
THERE'D BE LESS CHANCE OF ATTRACTING ANY UNWANTED ACTIVITIES.
THEN SOME LIKE PARKER PARK, ARE WELL HIDDEN AND THEY DO ATTRACT SOME UNSAVORY USE. THANK YOU.
>> TO YOUR POINT ABOUT INCREASING AND ADDING THAT BUDGET ITEMS TO PROVIDE WASHROOMS OR SELECT FACILITIES.
THAT WOULD BE BUDGET 2022 DISCUSSION AND SOME [INAUDIBLE] THERE BUDGET 2022 PRESENTATION COMING FORWARD TO COUNCIL.
WOULD THAT BE THE TIME THAT COUNSELORS SHOULD PUT IN A REQUEST TO INCREASE SERVICE LEVELS BY ADDING WASHROOMS AND THE APPLICABLE STAFF TIME TO CLEANING THEM?
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
YES, SO ADMINISTRATIONS PLANNING ON BRINGING FORWARD THE FIRST INTRODUCTORY OVERVIEW OF BUDGET 2022 AT THE LAST GPC OF THE MONTH, JUNE 28TH, WHICH WILL BE KICKING OFF TIMELINE PROCESS MILESTONES IN THE PROCESS AND CERTAINLY WE WILL WELCOME ANY INDICATIONS.
THE SOONER THE BETTER FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS ON ITEMS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET. THANK YOU.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT I WOULD PROPOSE BRINGING THIS FORWARD AS A BUDGET ITEM, CONSIDERING THE INFORMATION I LIKE.
IT SEEMS LIKE THE LETTERS OF UNDERSTANDING.
I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THE FRITZ STILL BALL DIAMOND WASHERS WERE RUN BY THE CITY.
IT JUST SEEMED LIKE SUCH AN INTEGRAL STRUCTURE TO THE FIELDS.
I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT SOMEONE ELSE WAS RUNNING THOSE.
I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE PRESENTATION NOW.
IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE SOME AGREEMENT SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT WE'VE ALREADY GOT WITH ANOTHER SPORTS ORGANIZATION WOULD WORK WELL.
IF WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT, IT WOULD BE GREAT.
I HOPE THAT ADMINISTRATION AND THE SOCCER CLUB CAN TALK.
IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE ALL THE SOCCER CLUBS.
I DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE THERE WERE PRIVATE CLUBS GOING ON AND ALL THAT STUFF HAPPENING.
IT IS A BIT OF A CONFUSING SITUATION, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME IF WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO FIGURE IT OUT FOR BASEBALL, YOU CAN PROBABLY FIGURE IT OUT FOR SOCCER.
THE QUESTION IS JUST GETTING THE RIGHT AGREEMENT IN PLACE.
I DON'T KNOW IF I NEED A COMMENT FROM ADMINISTRATION, BUT IT JUST SEEMS TO ME LIKE WE'RE ON OUR WAY TO GETTING THE AGREEMENT AND MAYBE THIS DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, THE WAY IT'S BEEN DONE IS NOT THE WAY TO DO IT, BUT IF IT'S BEEN DONE AT OUR OTHER FACILITIES, I FEEL LIKE IT CAN BE DONE HERE AND WE JUST GOT TO FIGURE OUT THE DETAILS OF IT.
HOPING THAT MAYBE WE CAN GET A COMMITMENT FROM BOTH PARTIES TO WORK TOGETHER AND START TO FIGURE THIS OUT, OR AT LEAST LOOK AT WHAT'S BEEN DONE AT THE OTHER PLACES WHERE IT'S WORKED AND TRY AND REPLICATE THAT MODEL FOR SOCCER.
>> I THINK THAT TIES INTO COUNSELORS [INAUDIBLE] POINT ABOUT LIKE THE BALL DIAMONDS HAVE ONE GROUP THAT RENTS THE FACILITY VERSUS THE SPORTS FIELDS HAVE AT LEAST THREE DIFFERENT SOCCER GROUPS THAT BOOK IT, PLUS ULTIMATE, PLUS CRICKET, PLUS RUGBY.
IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL SIX PLUS USER GROUPS TO COME TOGETHER AND HAVE A SHARED AGREEMENT.
THEN THAT WOULD REMOVE THE CONFLICT OF HAVING EACH USER GROUP PROVIDING SIX WASHROOM, 60 CANS FOR STORAGE, SIX CLUBHOUSES, WHICH IS WHAT WE WOULD SEE ON BALL DIAMONDS IF THERE WERE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT BALL DIAMOND ORGANIZATIONS USING THE FACILITIES. COUNCIL MORGAN?
>> THANKS, MANAGER. IN GENERAL, I AGREE THAT THE IDEAL SITUATION HERE WOULD BE IF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT SOCCER GROUPS AT LEAST COULD COME TOGETHER AND HAVE SOME JOINT PROPOSAL AND BE ABLE TO SHARE FACILITIES.
THAT MAY NOT BE ALL THAT LIKELY IN THIS CASE AS I UNDERSTAND THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE SOCCER CLUBS IN TOWN SEEM TO BE SOMEWHAT COMPETITIVE OR IN DIFFERENT SITUATIONS THAN
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SOME OF THE OTHER SPORTS WHERE IT'S ONE MAIN CLUB OR PEOPLE COLLABORATE A LOT MORE.I MEAN, REMAINS TO BE SEEN, MAYBE THAT COULD HAPPEN.
BUT IN MY MIND, I'M WONDERING IF WE COULD SIMPLIFY THIS AND IF THE WASHROOM ASPECT OF IT IS MORE REALISTIC OR URGENT THAN SAY, THE STORAGE ASPECT.
I KNOW THAT PERHAPS, FROM JOE ACORN'S CLUB'S PERSPECTIVE, THE STORAGE ASPECTS WOULD BE GREAT, BUT FROM MORE OF LIKE A PUBLIC PERSPECTIVE, WASHROOM SEEN MORE OF A PUBLIC NEED, I USED FIRST A QUESTION, WHEN GROUPS HAVE TOURNAMENTS IN FIELDS AND THEY COME AND BRING PORTA POTTIES THERE FOR THAT WEEKEND OR WHATEVER.
DO THEY NEED A DEVELOPMENT PERMIT OR SOME SPECIFIC PERMIT FROM THE CITY IF THEY JUST WANT TO PUT A PORTA POTTY THERE FOR A WEEKEND FOR A SPECIFIC EVENT OR TOURNAMENT?
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I BELIEVE FOR THAT KIND OF TEMPORARY USE OR A VERY SHORT-TERM USE, IT'S NOT REQUIRED.
I'LL ASK MS. WHITE IF SHE HAS ANY KNOWLEDGE AND IF SHE WOULD LIKE TO WEIGH IN.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY UNDERSTANDING IS NO.
FOR SHORT-TERM PERIOD, IT'S JUST AN IN AND OUT FOR THAT TOURNAMENT.
BUT FOR SOMETHING LONGER TERM AND AS PROPOSED HERE, WE'LL LOOK AT A LEASE AGREEMENT OF SOME FORM TO ADDRESS THAT. THANK YOU.
>> I MEAN, WHAT'S THE LIMIT ON SHORT-TERM IF THEY PUT IT THERE FOR A WEEK OR TWO WEEKS? WHERE DOES A SHORT-TERM ONE-OFF USE BECOME A LONGER? I'M JUST WONDERING WHERE THE BOUNDARIES ARE IN TERMS OF DEFINITIONS OF SHORT-TERM USE.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT WOULD BE PART OF OUR DEVELOPMENT PERMITTING PROCESS UNDER THE ZONING BY LAW. THANK YOU.
>> OKAY. I GUESS WHAT I'M WONDERING HERE IS IF THERE'S SOME COMPROMISE SOLUTION.
IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WITH THIS CLUB, SOME AGREEMENT COULD BE WORKED OUT THAT THEY COULD AT LEAST PUT PORTA POTTIES THERE WHICH OBVIOUSLY, WOULD HAVE A MUCH SMALLER LAND IMPACT AND NOT BLOCK VIEWS AS MUCH AS LIKE A BIG C CAN OR SOMETHING MIGHT.
BUT IF SOMEWHAT OF A SIMPLER PROCESS COULD BE WORKED OUT FOR PORTA POTTIES , IF THEY AGREED TO MAINTAIN THEM AND DEAL WITH VANDALISM OR WHATEVER MIGHT HAPPEN TO THEM AND IT WAS LESS OF AN IMPACT FOR US, AND IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT TO SOME EXTENT, HAPPENS ANYWAY WITH TOURNAMENTS THAT GROUPS BRING IN PORTA POTTIES, THEY COME AND GO.
I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE THE ULTIMATE SOLUTION BUT MAYBE IF WE JUST FOCUS ON THAT, THAT IS A SMALLER IMPACT ON THE LAND, STILL PROVIDES AN IMPORTANT USE EVEN IF IT'S JUST FOR THIS ONE CLUB BUT IT'S BETTER THAN NOTHING.
IF THIS CLUB IS WILLING TO PAY FOR THAT AND MAINTAIN IT, IF THAT'S A BIT OF A COMPROMISE SOLUTION.
I KNOW THAT IN GENERAL, IN SAY, FACILITIES, WE HAVE A BIGGER CONUNDRUM OF HOW WE WOULD PROVIDE, SAY, WASHROOM FACILITIES AT A BROADER SCALE FACILITIES.
BUT IN THIS CASE, IF IT'S A GROUP THAT JUST WANTS TO PUT SOMETHING IN THAT'S NOT OTHERWISE THERE AND A SERVICE THAT WON'T OTHERWISE BE PROVIDED BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T WORKED THAT OUT, I DON'T THINK OTHER SOCCER CLUBS WOULD BEGRUDGE ONE CLUB HAVING PORTA POTTIES.
I THINK A BIGGER C CANNED STORAGE FACILITY, I THINK OTHERS CAN LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, "HEY, THEY'RE TAKING IT MORE AT THE FIELD.
WOULDN'T IT BE NICE IF WE HAVE THAT TOO?" BUT TO HAVE ONE GROUP HAVE PORTA POTTIES IN THERE, I DON'T SEE THAT AS BECOMING A BIG POINT OF CONTENTION AND IT'S PROVIDING A BASIC HUMAN SERVICE OR PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT OTHERWISE, REALISTICALLY IS NOT GOING TO BE THERE CERTAINLY FOR THIS SUMMER.
MY THOUGHT IS IF SOMETHING COULD BE WORKED OUT RELATIVELY SIMPLY, JUST LET THE GROUP PUT IN A PORTA POTTY IF THEY AGREE TO DEAL WITH IT AND ALL THE TROUBLES AND HEADACHES THAT THE CITY ADMIN HAS DESCRIBED.
IF WE AS A CITY DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THAT THIS SUMMER, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S MAYBE A MORE REALISTIC SOLUTION FOR THIS PARTICULAR FIELD THIS SUMMER.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THE GROUP IS WILLING TO JUST CONSIDER THE PORTA POTTY ASPECT AND NOT THE WHOLE THING, BUT THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.
I DO AGREE WITH OTHERS THAT IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT FOR US TO JUSTIFY ALLOWING ALL THAT SPACE TO BE TAKEN UP BY ONE PRIVATE CLUB THAT'S ONLY A SUBSECTION OF EVEN THE SOCCER COMMUNITY, LET ALONE OTHER SPORTS, AND TO HAVE THAT BE LOCKED IN,
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NOT AVAILABLE TO ANYONE ELSE.BUT ON THE PORTA POTTY SIDE, IF YOU UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYBODY NEEDS TO USE BATHROOMS AND SOMETHING COULD BE BETTER THAN NOTHING.
>> THEN QUICKLY BEFORE WE'RE ABOUT TO LOSE QUORUM, CAN I RECOMMEND THAT WE RECESS THE MEETING AND RECONVENE AFTER COUNCIL TONIGHT SO THAT WE CAN TRY TO WRAP THIS ISSUE UP AND NOT BUMP IT TO KEEP YOU SEE FOR NEXT WEEK? IF I CAN GET A MOTION TO RECESS AND RECONVENE AFTER COUNCIL TONIGHT.
MOVED BY COUNCILOR MUFANDAEDZA, SECONDED BY COUNCILOR MORRIS.
WE'LL BE BACK PROBABLY, BASED ON OUR SCHEDULE, 7:05 TONIGHT.
BUT SEE EVERYBODY AT SEVEN O'CLOCK FOR COUNCIL.
I'LL JUST TAKE A LITTLE MOMENT TO PAUSE, THEN WE CAN HELP OUR WEBCAST PEOPLE.
WE WILL RECONVENE OUR GOVERNANCE AND PRIORITIES COMMITTEE MEETING FOR MONDAY, JUNE 14TH, 2021.
WE WERE JUST ON THE FINAL ITEM OF OUR AGENDA WHICH WAS A PRESENTATION REGARDING AMENITIES ON CITY PARKS AND LANDS.
APOLOGIES TO COUNCIL MORGAN, I HAD TO WRAP IT UP A LITTLE QUICKLY THERE BEFORE WE LOST QUORUM.
BUT TO RECAP, WHAT I WAS HEARING WAS THAT THERE WAS A GENERAL SUPPORT THAT A LEASE AGREEMENT AND DEVELOPMENT PERMIT FOR STRUCTURES ON ST. JOE'S FIELD BE CONSIDERED BY A CITY ADMINISTRATION IF A JOINT PROPOSAL COMES FORWARD FROM ALL FIELD USER GROUPS.
I THINK THE SECOND POINT THAT I WAS HEARING WAS IF INDIVIDUAL USER GROUPS ARE INTERESTED, THAT PORTA POTTY AGREEMENTS COULD BE DEVELOPED AND IMPLEMENTED, INCLUDING A SECURITY DEPOSITS, TERMS FOR ADDRESSING VANDALISM IN AN EXPEDITED MANNER, AND MAINTENANCE BY THE USER GROUP.
IF THE GENERAL FOLKS WERE FEELING THAT WAS THE GENERAL SUPPORT WORK WITH ADMINISTRATION TO REVIEW IT FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE PERSPECTIVE, I'LL FINALIZE THE WORDING TO BRING FORWARD TO OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING WHICH IS MONDAY, JUNE 28TH AT 7:00 PM.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS OR OKAY WITH THAT GENERAL DIRECTION COMING FORWARD TO COUNCIL, JUNE 28TH? SEEING NODDING HEADS. COUNCIL MORGAN?
>> NO, I WAS GOING TO SAY, I THINK THAT DOES ACCURATELY REFLECT OUR DISCUSSION AND WHAT I WAS HOPING FOR WITH REGARD TO PORTA POTTIES BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, WE COULD DO A SIMILAR THING WITH ANY OTHER GROUP, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE [NOISE] DIRECTED TO JUST THIS SPECIFIC GROUP.
PENDING SOME INPUT FROM ADMINISTRATION, I THINK IT'S REASONABLE TO THINK WE MIGHT DEVELOP SOME TEMPLATE SYSTEM FOR GROUPS THAT WANT TO POTENTIALLY PUT PORTA POTTIES NEXT TO PARKS AND FIELDS. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL [INAUDIBLE]
>> THANK YOU. [NOISE] I THINK THIS IS A GOOD ROUTE TO GO.
I THINK THAT IT WILL PROVIDE US SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR NOT ONLY THIS GROUP OF USERS, BUT ALL OF THESE GROUPS.
WE'LL HAVE A TEMPLATE THAT SAYS, IF YOU NEED A PORTA POTTY, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, THIS IS WHAT IT IS.
THE OTHER THING THAT I REALLY LIKE ABOUT THIS IS THIS IS REALLY A USER PAY SCENARIO, THIS IS NOT A TAXPAYER PAY SCENARIO.
THAT JUST MEANS WE'RE NOT HAVING DISCUSSIONS NEXT YEAR ABOUT, HOW MUCH OF THESE TOILETS ARE WE GOING TO FUND AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
ALSO BY GETTING THE USER SOCCER GROUP ALL TOGETHER, PERHAPS FOR A CLUBHOUSE TYPE SITUATION, THAT IT WILL BE BETTER FOR MORE PEOPLE.
I THINK THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO AND I CERTAINLY SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. JUST THE NOTE ON THE PORTA POTTY AGREEMENTS, IT MAY BE A CHALLENGE TO GET IT ALL IN PLACE FOR THIS SUMMER, RECOGNIZING STAFF WORKLOAD WITH THE FULL REFERENDUM AND MANY OF THE OTHER PROJECTS ON THEIR PLATE.
AGAIN, I'LL HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS WITH CITY ADMINISTRATION TO
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FINALIZE AND PROVIDE SOME FURTHER COMMENTS ON THESE TWO POINTS, BUT SOUNDS LIKE GENERAL SUPPORT FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD TO OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.WITH THAT, SEEING NOTHING FURTHER, THAT'S THE END OF OUR GPC AGENDA.
IF I CAN GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN MOVED BY COUNCILOR SMITH, SECONDED BY COUNCILOR PAYNE.
ANYBODY OPPOSE? SEEING NONE. SEE EVERYBODY NEXT TUESDAY BECAUSE MONDAY IS A STAFF HOLIDAY.
ENJOY NATIONAL INDIGENOUS PEOPLES DAY.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.